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Mission Impossible: Fallout · Citizen Frame

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Did we get it? Of course we got it. Told you we'd get it. I don't understand.
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The attacks didn't happen. The car accident you in, that was an hour ago.
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I was driving the other car.
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What's done is done, and what we say is done.
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Music.
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Thank you.
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We'll see you next time. Hello, people. We're back with another exciting episode
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in our retrospective of the Mission Impossible franchise.
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Guys, today we return with Mission Impossible Fallout, the biggest hit of all
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of them, until we get the final numbers for the new one coming out, actually today.
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And this one was $178 million. This one made $874 million. It is Tom Cruise's
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biggest hit to date, next to Top Gun Maverick.
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Did Top Gun Maverick not, like, do better than it?
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I said today, except for Top Gun Maverick. Oh, right, right, right.
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We'll be more clear, you know? No, I was pretty clear there. I spoke English. Right.
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Okay. I'm an idiot. I haven't even begun. I haven't even begun.
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You already pissed me off.
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Right. Chill out. See, it's Mr. Fucking Angry here, you know.
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Take a chill pill. Hot. Jesus Christ. 9.30 in the morning. This is 9.30 in the
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morning, people. That's what I have to deal with. 9.30 in the fucking morning. Boo-hoo.
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He gives me Tourette's. Boo-hoo. You have Tourette's anyway.
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Chris McQuarrie's back as also the head writer. And then we got a new composer.
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Lon, Lon, I think it's Lon Bald, Lon Bald is his name.
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I like his stuff. He does a lot of action films, but this is his one time out.
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Again, all the scores for Mission Apostles never let me down besides part two.
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But here we are. We're going to jump into it. But this time,
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yep, scores never let me down, the Mission Apostles.
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And so this time we got IMF agent Ethan Hunt and his team are tasked with preventing
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a nuclear attack by a group of terrorists, the Apostles. They're a splinter
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group from the band of bastards we knew from the last film, The Syndicate.
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They must contend with Solomon Lane again. Likes to see Sean Harris back and
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hopefully get the rogue guy. What's this guy's name again?
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We got John Lark. They got to look for John Lark. Yes.
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He's the one trying to buy these three plutonium balls, and they are going to
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build themselves three little nuclear disasters. But, but, but,
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but, but more importantly than that, Ethan Hunt...
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You know, never mind all that nuclear bomb shit. I mean, that's small potatoes.
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Ethan Hunt has to deal with waking up in Belfast at the very start.
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I mean, come on, you know.
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He's in some kind of a safe house in Belfast. Yes. He got a chippy.
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That's right. Yeah, yeah. He gets a chippy.
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Yeah, we got Tom Beck, Ethan Hunt, Henry Cavill as Austin Walker,
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Ving Rhames as Luther, Sam and Pegg as Benji.
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It's nice to see Ving Rhames getting a big, big part in this one. Yes.
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Rebecca Ferguson as back as Ilsa. I let her out for a bit to go ahead and return as the role.
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Right, right. That was good of you. Pretty nice of me. Pretty nice of me.
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I love you, Rebecca. Yeah, yeah.
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Sadly, sadly, she knows that only too well, and so do the police and the FBI.
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Sean Harris, Solomon Kane, Angela Bassett as Erica Sloan, Vanessa Kirby as the White Widow.
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I like Vanessa Kirby, but I think the character's kind of wasted a bit here.
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She's kind of just the middleman, which is technically what she is.
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Yeah. But she does play Max's daughter, who we know Max from the first one.
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Yes, Vanessa Redgrave. Vanessa Redgrave, yep, exactly.
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Wes Bentley is Eric, pointless character. Alec Baldwin is Hundley,
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and then some other guys.
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And then, of course, John Lark. We don't know who is John Lark exactly.
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Jeremy Renner could not replace his role because he was busy doing the Avengers endgame.
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Apparently, that's just sort of like an excuse, basically.
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Apparently, he was pissed off because his character was originally meant to
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come back in the script only to be killed off.
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So he said, you know, apparently he said, you know, I'm not going to come back
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if you're not going to respect my character. So he didn't return.
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But then in recent years he said he's open to returning but they haven't asked
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him back. So there's been a fallout there, pun intended.
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Dealing! Dealing!
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He chose not to accept his mission. Exactly. And well, you know, these things happen.
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You know, there's obviously some sort of fallout, you know, boom,
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boom, somewhere along the lines and maybe a wee bit of ego,
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who knows, maybe a clash of egos, don't know, but the whole sort of,
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you know, filming schedules, clashing, that's usually code for something else.
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Yeah, I think that's what happened with Paula Patton as well, just because her role.
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And Jeremy Remer is a get, so I can understand why he'd be a little flustered.
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But it's too bad he didn't come back, because I'd like to have seen him.
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And, you know, the one thing about Mission Impossible to see him do right is
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all these little characters that have showed up in the past,
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most of them get their comeuppance, or they get their 180s, they get their arcs, and stuff like that.
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Apparently, whenever Jeremy first joined basically the franchise,
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you know, as a character of Brent, apparently he was originally being set up
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to eventually take over from Tom Cruise.
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So maybe that's what he was pissed off about. Who knows?
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I think he's got a lot of issues, Remmer, just because same thing happened with
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the Jason Bourne franchise.
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Yeah. He did a spinoff called The Bourne Legacy. Yes. Which is actually quite good.
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Actually, very good. I really enjoyed it, but it wasn't received well because
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fans wanted, you know, Matt Damon, which I understand.
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So this is like the second franchise has kind of blown him off.
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And even in Avengers, he doesn't do much.
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Yeah, he's like a supporting sort of superhero.
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Yeah, and I do think he deserves better. I like to see him, you know,
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more of a starring role, especially in a big action one.
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The Bourne Legacy was decent, and he's good in Ghost Protocol.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I quite like, you know, seeing him on the screen and stuff.
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But apparently even in the Avengers, the Marvel Universe, which I'm not into
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at all, you know, each to their own.
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But apparently he's even been sort of pushed to the sidelines with that as well,
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where his character is a Hawkeye.
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There's like a new Hawkeye played by a young woman now.
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So he's been pushed to the sidelines.
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No, no, no, the story is, what happened was, just piggybacks on what I just
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said, He did a Hawkeye TV series. Yes.
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His daughter is who's taking over the role. Right. And she's in that show.
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His screen daughter or his male daughter?
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Obviously his screen daughter. Well, that's okay. Just double check him.
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Jesus. So anyways, and he was, they're doing Hawkeye series too.
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And they were going to pay him less than they got paid for the last Hawkeye.
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So he told him to fuck off. Right. Right.
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And he's right. He's completely right. Okay. Fuck Marvel.
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They're going to treat him like that. Well, I have no time for Marvel or Disney
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anyway, but that's a different podcast.
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No, it isn't because you say that in every fucking podcast.
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Well, you know, it's true though.
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All right. So Tom decides to accept the mission where you got to get the apostles.
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He's got to get these three plutonium cores. They're going to build these three nuclear weapons.
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Ethan must get those in his hand before they fall into the wrong hands. Yes.
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He basically has to stop nuclear bombs, and essentially there's a lot of sort
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of crazy stunts and espionage sort of stuff going on in between and double-crossing
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and all that sort of thing.
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But yeah. Well, I do like the fact that Ethan Hunt finally fucks up. Yeah. At the start?
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Yes, because what he has to do here is pretty much do the trade,
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and he lets his guard down by protecting Luther, who Luther even says, kill me. Yes. It's okay.
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But in doing so, in being distracted by that, him and Benji forget that they
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left the plutonium case right behind them,
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and they take their eyes off the prize for just a second, and that causes them to lose it.
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Yeah. And this causes a lot of distrust, especially with the Sloan character,
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Erica Sloan, played by Angela Bassett, who will have a huge part in the franchise coming up soon. Yes.
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Yes. and of course because she then doesn't trust
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Ethan Hunt and IMF she sends in
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her sort of right hand man played by
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Henry Cavill who is a great character in this film yeah we finally get I like
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everyone don't get me wrong most protocol is a little weak with the villains
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but you'll like them I mean they did their job but it was just the way they
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were directed and written I mean this one by far.
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The best villain in the entire franchise. And he also has an amazing presence.
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I mean, we sort of know this anyway. He's basically Superman.
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But here, especially for me anyway, Cavill has just an amazing presence.
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What I like about the casting here is Tom Cruise is a small guy. Yeah.
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And Henry Cavill is a big guy. Yes. So I like the fact he casted him.
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Some actors won't do that. They're very reserved of having a,
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You know, because technically, Henry Cavill has just as much screen time as Tom Cruise.
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And they're in pretty much most of the scenes together. So to be able to not
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neglect your franchise for your own ego's sake, I like the fact he was willing
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to play up against a bigger muscular guy.
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Well, it adds a threat to his character as well. But also, you know,
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there's ways of filling in these things. Yes, Tom Cruise is quite a bit smaller than Cavill.
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But at the same time, you know, they could film these things,
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you know, I don't know, have Tom Cruise standing on a box or whatever,
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you know, where, you know, it's all to do with the angles and stuff.
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So you don't notice it. You don't really notice it. You know what I mean?
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Not unless you're like really like zooming in or whatever when the two of them
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are walking together or something, you know, but it didn't bother me at all. That side of it.
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That's my point. It's not, but actors usually won't work with another actor,
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that's overpowering them.
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Stallone's infamous for it? Stallone's famous for that. Yeah.
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The only time he's done that is with Rocky Farrow, Drago, and now it's because
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he had to be taller and bigger. Yes. David and Goliath's story.
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But anyways, you guys get my point. Obviously, clearly, you don't. I do.
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Because you're not listening to what I'm saying. You're not listening because
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I was fucking agreeing with you, you knob.
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You just fucking, fucking doll. You're a leash.
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All right. So I love this twist. When they find Nils, the guy who makes the
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bombs in the hospital bed,
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And he wakes up and he survived a car accident.
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And you see the real Wolf Blitzer, if you guys don't know that,
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he's a famous reporter for CNN in the U.S.
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And he's reading off nuclear bomb attacks who went off in Rome,
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Jerusalem, and Mecca. And Nils is in the bed laughing. Ha, ha, ha.
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Long story short, he never was in a hospital bed. The whole thing was a setup
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to get him the code to get into his phone.
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That's a good call back to the first film as well, but to do something similar.
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Yeah, the very opening scene. That's right. And so it's nice.
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And then you see Benji in the mask for the first time. Yes.
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And he always likes his mask. So it's a nice night. I told you,
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I even seen it for the podcast. I forgot about the opening scene.
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It's nice. And then you got this whole 16 minutes, I think, into it.
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And then we get, once they catch him and they get to the phone code,
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they find out where John Clark is going to meet.
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The credits start. Yes. About 16 minutes into it. Yeah. I love my mission of possible credits.
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Yeah. Oh, no, no. It's a, it's, it always sort of, it's a good teaser.
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Essentially. I mean, I mean, the first segment is always like the sort of cold
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opening for, you know, the teaser and then, you know, something dramatic will
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happen and then, and then you'll see the fuse lighting and the credits kick in.
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I always actually like the credits, the way they actually tell you the story,
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you know, with the images from the film that you're about to see, which, um, yeah.
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Ballsy move. Yeah, well, they don't throw too much away, you know,
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to be fair. I know, but you always have these people going, I figured it out.
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I guarantee you do that. You'd be like, oh, I figured it out. Yeah, I get it.
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I should have saw the whole film. Yeah.
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Yeah, so the airdrop, the first big stunt. This airdrop's fucking impressive.
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The only thing CGI'd were obviously the lightning clouds. They weren't going
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to jump into a lightning storm.
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I'm surprised Cruz didn't, to be fair.
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Yeah, no kidding. Well, we're going to wait for a monsoon season. yeah exactly
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yeah film this but i love
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the fact where you got this egomaniac right away you i didn't like henry cavill
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well which is fine that's kind of what you need you got you're gonna love him
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and hate him back and forth you don't know he henry cavill is very good trusting
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him they're not trusting him they're trusting him exactly exactly um but but even the arrogance of
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the character you know what i mean you're meant to love to hate him that's sort
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of pretty obvious from the start, you know?
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Yeah, well, he's doing this airdrop, and Ethan Hunt goes up to him and goes,
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is your fucking oxygen even on? Yeah.
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There's no oxygen in this altitude, idiot. And he puts it on for him.
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And Henry Cavill goes, okay, we're going to wait for the lightning storm.
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And Henry Cavill thinks he's all badass.
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And he's just, oh, no, I'm ready to go now. And he's like, wait,
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you can't. And of course, the lightning hits and it knocks his suit out of power or whatever.
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And you got Ethan going down there to save him.
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And then he wakes up, And he goes, oh, you lost your oxygen tank Didn't realize
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that Ethan Hunt just saved his ass Exactly, but I would also add to this bit In retrospect,
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if you pay attention I believe this is also the scene Where it's followed up
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way later on Where Ethan Hunt scans him for the first time.
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Without his knowledge, you know, whenever he's like putting on the suit,
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I believe I could be wrong here, but I think very craftily, Ethan Hunt scans him.
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And I think that's when they find out shit about him later on. Let's just say.
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What do you mean scans him? He has a wee scanning thing, you know,
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to do with the masks. He has to scan his face, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's to do with finding out basically what we'll find out later on about him.
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Oh, okay. Don't remember that. I didn't really catch that.
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I would have to double check but i do know there is some sort
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of sort of trick essentially to do with
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scaling i believe ethan hunt um sort
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of gets him because because ethan's obviously no dozer you know and he wants
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to you know and he's not going to just jump off a plane or get somebody into
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his team that he hasn't checked out but i believe this is where ethan first
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scans him you know to find out exactly what the deal is you know okay yeah i
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didn't catch up i'm gonna check it again,
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but, and then we get to probably one of the best fight scenes in the series
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too. Yeah, it's brilliant. Really well choreographed.
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Yeah. The whole thing is so, the whole thing. It's brilliant.
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And it's this beautifully, beautiful white bathroom.
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Yes. And they walk in and they knock out John Lark. After the fight scene with John Lark, it's just.
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Yeah. Oh no, it's really well.
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It's really believable. So it is, you know. Yeah. They said they had a shot.
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Shoot for about a couple weeks and then I'm taking like six weeks to film this whole scene.
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Yeah. And just the little things when they're trying to scan his face and Henry
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Cavill breaks the laptop by smacking John Lark with it. Because he's too rough on him. He's too.
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Yeah, and Ethan Hunt's like, you know, you fucking idiot.
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But he doesn't say it. He just looks at him with his hands in the air like,
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And because they got to be quiet. And then you see the party is coming in.
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They think there's a big party going on in the bathroom. Yeah.
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But the fight scene is so good.
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And then when Elsa comes in to save the day, because this guy was kicking their
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ass and Elsa shoots her in the face and she goes, can you get the mask?
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Well, we need a face first.
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Yeah. But not only that, Henry Cavill had fucked up the laptop anyway.
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With so yeah no no it's just a really it's quite brutal oh that's what i'm very believable you,
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bring up this white i bring up this white bathroom i think it's
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deliberate because the final shot there's a huge fucking blood stain and on
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the tiles yes obviously getting his head blown off so that's what i'm saying
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it shows the brutality not you know we see the fun punches and it's good kung
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fu fighting kicking some ass and all blah but the end of the game is this man's
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head was is blown off. When they show you the aftermath, it's pretty cool.
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And John Lark, well, we'll find out later on that he's not actually John Lark,
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but he can fucking handle himself, that guy, you know?
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Yeah, he's definitely a John Lark henchman or something. Well,
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we'll find out later on who John Lark really is, but it's...
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We all know who John Lark is at this point. Yeah. It's Superman.
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It's Superman Day. Yeah, it's Clark Kent. Yeah.
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You know what they should have done with Swiss plutonium? Mm-hmm. With kryptonite.
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That would afford yeah yeah,
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now the whole broker scene you find out that she's just a broker she's the middle
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man and they don't want money they want our boy back they want Solomon Lane
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Solomon back Solomon Lane back if you give a Solomon Lane we'll give you the plutonium and we.
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I'd like Vanessa Curve I just just kind of wasted here I'd rather have somebody
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who is I almost wish they'd brought back Axley Max herself,
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Vanessa Redgrave Apparently they did offer her to come back at some point in
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the series I'm not sure if it was this film or maybe a previous one, but she did refuse him,
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but Vanessa Kirby I have absolutely nothing against her and she is effective
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enough but she just does not have the gravitas or the presence of Vanessa Redgrave
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I'm sorry, she does actually quite a good impression of her in terms of,
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you could buy that she's her daughter,
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but I'm afraid she just does not have the gravitas or the believability of Vanessa Redgrave.
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I think someone like Emily Blunt.
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Possibly might pull this off or even
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do a no-name but like um but venice kribby
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at the time actually was just an up-and-coming herself to be fair to her i
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have nothing against her she's a fine actress but this just
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wasn't when she was on the screen when max was
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on the screen it was like she was just so calm and
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sophisticated and doubt yeah he meets james bond
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and but with her i was just
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like i don't buy her as a as a
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serious threat whereas with the
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original max character you were intrigued
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and you know vanessa redgrave always has that great you
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know charisma and gravitas and presence and i just didn't buy it with vanessa
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i don't buy it with vanessa kirby it's just she works to a certain extent but
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i'm just not you know comparing to vanessa redgrave it's night and day I do
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like when they're talking about,
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we want you to get Salmon Lane,
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and they tell if a dreamy, or if it's like Ethan Hunt's trying to figure out
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how he's going to get Salmon Lane out.
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But it's done with no sound. It's just done with music.
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Yes. And it's done with, long story short, Ethan Hunt ends up killing an innocent
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cop. and then we cut out of this flash forward I guess you can say where they're
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telling him kill all the cops. Why? We don't want any witnesses.
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You need to kill the cops. Well we know Ethan Hunt's not doing this. Yes.
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And this will come back during this. But this whole break scene with Solomon
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Cain is master class. Oh this is fantastic.
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I mean this is I would say possibly the highlight of the entire series.
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I mean, it is just like proper, this is what action films should be, you know what I mean?
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It is proper, thrilling, non-stop exciting.
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It is a masterclass. It is fantastic in terms of action thrillers.
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Yeah, it's, you've got them having to get Salman Lane as the,
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as the, the SWAT man, whatever it is, is transporting him. It goes in the water.
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Luther and I'll have to go in and get him out of there as it's sinking before he drowns.
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At the same time, you've got Ethan being chased. He's got a motorcycle and he's just, the chasing.
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I haven't seen good chases like this since, I'll be honest with you,
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since Ronan, great film with Robert T. And you feel as well,
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you feel that there's actual, again, with the previous film as well.
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And so many of them, you know, sequences like this throughout the series,
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you feel that there's proper danger here and threat because it's all stunts
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and it's all done by real people as opposed to, whenever it's CGI,
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and I know I'm always criticizing CGI, but so what, whenever it's CGI and an action sequence,
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it, as an audience member takes away that danger and that threat but here,
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it's 100% yes, obviously in the back of your mind you know that Tom Cruise isn't
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going to die but you know that this is like proper stuntmen and stuntwomen,
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crazy bastards doing real action.
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And that really adds to the audience experience.
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Yeah. I mean, the whole thing is, and Tom is doing that speed.
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He is, this isn't a sped up film. He's actually going through the streets and
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the whole thing is timing perfectly.
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Yes. Even when he takes a hit with that car, he flies over that car. That's him.
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Simon Pegg has said it is completely stressful doing a film with Tom cruise
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because there are so many occasions where you're genuinely worried that he's going to die,
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yeah i mean he's not wearing a helmet at this point during this car chase during this chase.
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It's fucking batshit crazy and when he's
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going through the streets and these cars there's he's driving through streets
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this isn't like six o'clock in the morning let's shoot with a couple cars in
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the road this place is rush hour no no no it's all to be fair like the other
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cars supposedly the members of the public are actually stunt men and stunt women
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driving. Of course they are. Yeah.
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But it's packed. Yeah. But it's not real members of the public and those other
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cars. Let's just get that clear.
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People would understand that's what I meant. Why would you not understand that?
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Well, you sort of suggested that it's rush hour and it's real traffic.
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I said it's like rush hour. Well, that's okay, but it's just the way you said
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it. It sounded like you were suggesting it was real. No, no, not again.
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Anyways, That's just, wow.
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It's just like doing a podcast with a deaf person. What?
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See? Exactly. Fuck me. Fuck me.
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Or Tourette's back. You know what I mean? They asked for fucking hell. He was fucking.
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God, you don't listen to a fucking word that comes out of my fucking mind. What? See?
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Anyways, I'm done. I'm just over yet. I'm just frustrated now.
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Yeah, so. Yeah, guys. I'm sure you've listened to this podcast.
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You know how the stunts work. It's pretty impressive.
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And Rain Man over here. Pardon the Tom Cruise.
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Nah, they're, uh, thinks they're, you know, I'm talking about real people.
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He's a clueless twat. No, no. The way you said it. I never, no,
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I didn't. No, I didn't. No, no.
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The way you said it, you said this is rush hour. No, I didn't.
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And I'm like, what? I said, it's like rush hour.
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Like rush hour. What, the song? There's a lot of cars. Did I say it was like
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rush hour? Real human, real people in there and civilians?
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Well, I hope not. I said, there was a lot of cars like you see in rush hour.
24:34
That's what I said. At what point did I say anything about pedestrians?
24:38
Let it go. Yeah, let it go. Chill out. I can't.
24:41
Fucking hate me. Fuck. Now I got to see the movie with you now today.
24:45
I don't want to watch the movie now anymore. Don't go. Okay.
24:50
So I do like how it's convenient. He gets hit.
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His bike gets hit. He flips over the car. And two feet away is where he's got the extracting point.
25:00
Well, to be fair, that's where he was heading to anyway. way.
25:03
I know, but it's pretty it is the one of those ghost, you know,
25:08
it's one of those unreaded roles with The Monster Impossible.
25:12
It's kind of like Indiana Jones hat.
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It always comes back in the picture.
25:16
At least he was hit though, because I mean like he's doing a lot of dodging
25:19
in and out of fucking cars and all sorts, you know.
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All the civilians. Yeah, because they're real life people, according to Kieran, you know.
25:28
What the hell? Members of the public just going about their business.
25:33
Fuck me, I'll tell you, I'll tell you a little.
25:35
And then you got Ilsa, I knew right away that was Ilsa. The whole point is that
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she wants to kill Solomon, Solomon Lane.
25:41
Yes. And one of the reasons, A, for revenge, but also because it gets her in good graces with MI6.
25:48
Yes. So the whole point is, and so the whole time, the great thing about Ethan
25:52
Hunt, he knows Ilsa wants him dead, but also needs him back in the good graces
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of MI6 so she can get back in there.
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But the whole time, you don't see Ethan really planning. this whole plan is
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to get Lane back to MI6 to help her.
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But we don't know that's going on in the back of his head. Yes.
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He's trading Solomon Lane at this point for the plutonium.
26:15
Yes, exactly. But we know his endgame is to get him back to MI6.
26:21
Yeah. Essentially him back captured again and then MI6 will then basically interrogate
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Solomon and then as they were doing before,
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passing them around countries to get sort of, to attempt to get information
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out of him about his sort of terrorist activities.
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And then when, you know, we talked, when she runs him off the road in the motorcycle.
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Yes. He just stops in the middle of the street. Remember in the last film there?
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And he does this to her, but he hits her. He runs her over. Oh, I know that. Yeah.
26:52
Obviously, he knows she's going to be but she knows what she's doing. Well, he's no choice.
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He's got no choice, but I think he knew that she'd be all right. Yeah.
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As long as she's going to the wheels, she'll be all right. I would say as well,
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there's a good tension the first time you watch this as well,
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because you think that Henry Cavill is actually a good guy,
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who thinks that Ethan Hunt is a rogue agent and going to go rogue.
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So there's a good lot of tension here. And then in the scene here in France,
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where basically they have Solomon sort of with a hood on him,
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and they're putting him in the back of a car in a garage, and a French policewoman
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finds him, and then the bad guys come, and there's a shootout,
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and Tom Cruise basically saves the French policewoman.
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Then you think that Henry Cavill realizes, nah, basically, Ethan is one of the good guys.
27:45
He's not actually rogue, but then we'll find out more later on concerning Henry's
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character. It's very well played all around.
27:52
Yeah, and I do like the small cameo and sad ending, but it's nice.
27:59
It's nice to miss the possibility you do get casualties.
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And that's Hunley, Albert Baldwin's character, who he's one who tells Ethan
28:08
that the widow is a mole. Yes. She's on our side.
28:12
Kind of like what Max was. I believe Max was like that as well,
28:15
if I'm not mistaken. Well, they're double agents, basically.
28:17
They're essentially self-serving, but so they'll go to whatever side suits them.
28:22
So there's all sorts of double agents and double crossing going on throughout
28:25
all of these films. and yes it can be a bit hard to keep track but you expect
28:29
that and you would be disappointed if you didn't get that.
28:32
Now, Hundley is, what's happening here is that all this data dumping is happening.
28:40
They're saying that he's the one who set up the smallpox virus,
28:44
that Ethan is Lark himself.
28:46
Yes. And that he, you know, he's the one who got Nils, the guy who created the bombs and all.
28:52
So, everything's kind of pointing, again, toward Ethan Hunt.
28:56
And that's why Walker was brought on board, technically. Yeah.
29:00
To keep an eye on him, obviously, by Sloane.
29:04
Can I just say as well, there's a big clue here about the identity of the Henry
29:10
Cavill character just before the proper hardcore French stuff where he passes a phone,
29:18
Ethan's phone, back to Sloane.
29:21
But don't forget, the phone was bussed up. It was smithed, and the phone he
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passes to Sloane is flawless. that there's no cracks on it.
29:31
Oh, I don't remember that. Yeah, there is a meeting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
29:39
At the Eiffel Tower, actually, the meeting is at. We meet at the Eiffel Tower?
29:44
Yeah, it's boss at the CIA.
29:47
Oh, yeah, but he calls her when she's in front of the Eiffel Tower.
29:50
Yes, yes. They don't meet. Okay, that's why I get confused. They do meet.
29:55
He calls her and then they meet and he passes her the phone from,
30:00
you know, the fight at the rave with Ethan.
30:03
But the phone he passes her, there's no cracks on it.
30:07
But the phone, the original, the real phone was smised to bits during the fight.
30:13
Okay. What was the phone? What's the relevant of the phone? It has,
30:17
I think, details of meetings. Oh.
30:20
And all sorts. It's the phone. It's the new phone that he set up to make it
30:23
look like it would keep from Ethan. Yes, yes. But it's not from Ethan. Yeah, exactly.
30:29
But we do find out, but this is where we find out when Hunley's there,
30:35
Hunley, Edwin is playing Walker now at this point. Yes.
30:39
They all know that Henry Cavill is the baddie. Yes, because there's fuckwittery
30:45
with the masks and stuff to catch him out.
30:48
Yeah, which I really did enjoy. Yeah. When you got Solomon Lane behind the mask
30:53
And it's nice Simon Pegg get more of this stuff And more field agent And so he,
31:01
Realized he just confessed to No I've always liked Simon Pegg And actually he's
31:07
really good In an episode of Doctor Who,
31:09
He plays a villain in Doctor Who In an episode called The Long Game But anyway
31:14
you were saying Just had to get that in there Yeah.
31:20
He just ruined Mission Impossible.
31:24
I'll never be the same. Yeah, but I do like that twist because,
31:26
again, you're so into the fight and the arguments and Hundley doing this and
31:31
blah, blah, all these characters kind of arguing and who's them all, blah, blah.
31:36
It's kind of a magic trick. You're looking at one hand, but you're not looking
31:39
at the other. Sleight of hand.
31:40
And so, sleight of hand. So you kind of, you're trying to process all these
31:45
little twists and turns all at once, And then the whole time,
31:49
there was one little thing.
31:51
It caused you to not catch the fact that Simon Pegg was in Solomon Lanes.
31:56
He had his face on, basically. Had his face on, yeah. It was just clever.
32:00
Oh, no, it was very well done. Yeah.
32:03
Then you get the threats where Henry Cavill could have killed him, but he can't.
32:10
He needs Ethan Hunt, but he just throws him a picture of Julia,
32:13
his ex-wife, you know, played by Michelle Monaghan.
32:16
Yeah. He says, just get me the plutonium and she'll be fine. Yeah. I won't kill her.
32:20
And then we'll go back to Tom Cruise doing more mental stunts,
32:24
which I fucking hate because, see, this free-falling, you know,
32:29
this jumping off buildings and stuff. Again, it goes back to my fair height.
32:32
That just wrecked me, you know? That whole sequence when...
32:37
Peg has him tracked, and Peg is talking in Ethan's ear, go to left,
32:43
take a left, take a right. This whole thing of him running is brilliant.
32:45
And that's the famous stunt where he jumps. You see it in the film.
32:48
Busts his ankle. Where he breaks his ankle.
32:50
Yeah. And you actually see him getting up and hobbling.
32:53
Yep. He actually kept running, and then they said cut. Yeah.
32:57
And then they had to take some time off to finish the scene,
32:59
but it goes to show his dedication.
33:02
Oh, yeah. And it's just one guy just running. It's still so intense.
33:06
And then he's in the offices. do I go left or right and all those people are like who the
33:09
fuck are you I basically on the side of the office people
33:12
who are just looking going what the fuck because see just stuff like that because
33:16
again it goes back to you know Tom Cruise is doing this for real yes he'll have
33:20
a harness on obviously that's later removed digitally but just that whole sort
33:25
of jumping over buildings and then hanging off you know it's the heights thing
33:28
it's the heights you know.
33:31
But really he gets them he gets them almost there and he jumps on jumps on the
33:37
elevator and that's where he tells them get me the plutonium and I'll let Julie
33:42
live and the big finale here is Kashmir. Yeah.
33:46
If there's one issue I did have with the film overall, I'd drop the Michelle
33:51
Monaghan ex-wife character.
33:53
Pointless. I just don't think it... I get what's there and it also sets up a
33:59
bit of conflict there with Elsa and sort of eventually paves the way for her.
34:03
But I just, it distracted a bit. I just wanted to see Tom Cruise being a mad
34:09
bastard hanging off helicopters.
34:11
Yeah, I thought it was kind of forced in there. I think they did it just to
34:14
honor Michelle Monaghan's character.
34:15
She never really got a good send-off, which I respect. Yeah.
34:18
That's kind of going back to what I just said.
34:20
Bringing back other characters, she never got their just due. You know what I mean?
34:24
And I think that's why they did that. I thought the husband was a dork. Yeah, he was.
34:29
I like Wes Bentley. I like Wes Bentley, who plays a character.
34:33
But why is he here? yeah well well it's to give her
34:36
a sort of resolution for her character at the very end where
34:40
she's actually met a good man he's a doctor he'll
34:43
keep her safe he's a nice guy you know what i
34:46
mean she she has she even says herself in dialogue that um and because of you
34:51
ethan i'm now i've eventually got to the point where i'm doing what i'm meant
34:55
to be doing in this world and i've met a good man he's an absolute you know
34:59
he's a bland character but he's kind of meant to be to give her that resolution, you know?
35:03
I do think they bring, it does help that.
35:07
She's useful. Yes. She helps Luther. She realizes that these guys have to look
35:13
for these two, these two, these bombs. Yes.
35:17
And they have to split up to do it.
35:20
And when Ethan shows up and she sees her first time, she knows right away something's
35:25
going on. Yeah. She sees Luther, who she knows.
35:28
And so she ends up helping them. So at least they give her something to do.
35:33
She helps Luther defuse the bomb.
35:35
Yeah. And so, and I do love the whole thing. And this is Mission Impossible Cliché.
35:42
Ethan's on his own, going to get the main bad guy, has to get the knock list,
35:47
or he has to get the little button from the detonator, and they have to know
35:50
that he's done that before they can cut these wires.
35:53
There's a ticking bomb as well, which is the biggest film cliché of all.
35:57
But you know what? But you know what, though?
36:00
Usually it doesn't work in films. Sometimes, like you said, it's a cliché.
36:03
But with this franchise, it works. It does because it's very well essentially directed, you know.
36:11
Yes, you know, obviously again, you know, like the stunt, you know,
36:14
in the back of your mind that, you know, they're gonna save the day.
36:17
But there's proper tension here, even though it is the biggest film cliche of
36:21
them all, the ticking bomb, you know, and it 100% works, especially here.
36:27
Yeah, the finale. This, I love.
36:30
I love, I did like the car park scene in Ghost Protocol, I thought that was kind of fun.
36:36
But I'll tell you what, the best villain against Ethan Hunt is this whole helicopter sequence.
36:46
We will get a retelling of this in the finale, but it'll be with planes.
36:51
Right, yeah. But it's craftsmanship all around,
36:56
from the guys who are actually flying the helicopters to the stuntmen to batshit
37:00
crazy Tom to Henry Cavill,
37:03
this whole sequence is so the
37:06
best escapism i've seen in cinema a long time yeah yeah no no no it's it's it's
37:11
great fun and um you know and you know we're talking about batshit crazy tom
37:15
but batshit crazy henry here as well you know and again there's proper threat you know what i mean,
37:24
he's genuinely intimidating you know due to his physical size
37:27
and stuff and it's just and he's a proper badass
37:30
you know you know yeah piggyback
37:34
on that it's great the part where he just says fuck i'm just gonna crash the
37:37
helicopters together yeah exactly so they crash and there's little things i
37:43
love the practical mixed in with some of the old school i think there's a little
37:48
there but i think it's i want to say their model copter copters get stuck on the cliffs and they're.
37:55
And there's a great shot where, I believe it's a fuel line, bursts and it hits
38:00
Henry Cavill on the face.
38:03
And half his face is burnt, which is a great way of, like, Two-Face,
38:07
kind of like what his character's like.
38:08
Well, yes, but also he became more like a Bond villain as well,
38:11
you know, the sort of, the scarred, evil sort of villain, you know, especially,
38:16
you know, as they're doing their sort of final sort of fight and you see his
38:20
face is all melted, basically, with this acid, you know, basically.
38:23
You know it's uh but yeah but i do i do it i
38:26
do think it it it's it's it's
38:29
the way to show this this character is two-faced not
38:32
to play on the two-face of batman but the idea is
38:35
the same the concept is the same he's two faces yeah he's two faces yeah yeah
38:38
double and yeah double agent and he's he's not coming back for a sequel no i
38:46
just love this whole it reminds me of cliffhanger yeah the ending of cliffhanger
38:49
and they're they're hanging out and there's only this one well it's a
38:53
It's a literal cliffhanger, you know? Yeah, I'm kidding.
38:57
So this hook is holding the copter, and then the hook gets unhooked and loses
39:04
his grip, I guess you can say.
39:06
And then the hook goes into Henry Cavill's face, chucks him down with the copter.
39:12
Then you see his body hit the rocks, blab. Always dead.
39:18
This was a good, proper death for a villain. Yep.
39:21
And well-deserved. yeah oh no we get
39:24
this come up ones you know you know and then some yeah
39:27
i mean overall i just think this is this
39:30
is proper popcorn blockbuster escapist
39:34
fun done at it to its
39:37
very pinnacle that's this particular film in the series yeah
39:41
this is i ghost protocols god
39:44
it's up because i love that building sandstorm sequence but i
39:48
think fallout would be so far next to
39:51
the original my favorite one yeah i mean it's
39:54
the best action film i have seen in many many years
39:57
and my regret is actually at the
40:00
time not seeing it on the big screen oh yeah
40:04
you gotta see on the big screen and let's end there with we'll
40:07
piggyback on that one because guys go see
40:10
the new mission impossible on the big screen i've seen the imax version i'm
40:14
going to see another version you don't have to see the imax version to be fair
40:17
but go get your asses out there and see it it's it's just amazing spectacle
40:22
you're about to see all the Mission Apostles deserve cinema viewing yeah well
40:27
stuff like this yeah yeah you really do,
40:30
But, yeah, another, you know, this franchise is going nowhere but up. It's fucking amazing.
40:36
Kudos to McQuarrie and the team and Cruz and the team for continuing this franchise.
40:42
And it doesn't get boring.
40:43
They seem to find a way to, how do we top up that one? Well,
40:47
we can't top up Dubai. I have an idea.
40:50
Let me hang off a helicopter. Oh, okay.
40:53
But kudos. Kudos to Tom Cruise. Yeah. Well done.
40:57
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the reckoning retrospective.
41:02
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41:07
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41:12
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41:31
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