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Mormonism, The CIA, The Rotary Club & More · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see everything's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's full of stars.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult and Red Jacks. On this episode,
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  Speaker 3: you have myself and you got Lisa joining me. A's
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  Speaker 3: a co host in this episode, and we got a
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  Speaker 3: you know, a very special guest in a sense is
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  Speaker 3: because it was wild how this man even came across
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  Speaker 3: to me. I have to thank I guess, Dana, Thank
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  Speaker 3: you Dana for a tagging me. I guess because like
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  Speaker 3: she had known that I was looking into the Rotary
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  Speaker 3: Club with the Smiley Faced Killers topic. She had known
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  Speaker 3: this guy Justin, who has the LDS abuse account on Twitter,
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  Speaker 3: which I highly suggest I go check out, was covering
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  Speaker 3: something with Mormons and rotary and she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: next be talking about Mormons and he's been talking about Rotary,
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  Speaker 3: so this must be great for tagged me in. And I
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  Speaker 3: took a look at it and I was like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is wild and he's been He's got a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of stuff that he's kind of been covering and looking
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  Speaker 3: into and I got him to come on the show.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a blog too that I highly suggest to
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  Speaker 3: go check out, and he is going to probably use
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  Speaker 3: that today to go off some of the stuff we're
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about before we get into it. I
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  Speaker 3: will let him kind of, I guess, introduce yourself and
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  Speaker 3: if you want to give any background or anything. If not,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to, but if you want, please at
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  Speaker 3: least let people know where they can find your blog
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  Speaker 3: or anything you want to promote your Twitter or anything.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So my name is Justin and I started the blog
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  Speaker 2: or the website https ldsbus dot info about a year
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  Speaker 2: ago actually, and with the intent of just studying the
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  Speaker 2: topic of mostly sexual and ritual abuse in the church.
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  Speaker 2: But as we got started, it just sort of branched
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  Speaker 2: out and so it's become a much wider project and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go too deep into that in
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  Speaker 2: the introduction, but we'll be looking at sort of one
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  Speaker 2: of these branches which you mentioned, which I only came
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  Speaker 2: across last week, which is the connection between the Mormon
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  Speaker 2: Church and Rotary International, amongst other organizations.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, some uh, yeah, that was kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a weird connection to me. And I don't know, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't like I think, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was telling Lisa about this situation earlier, and like me
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  Speaker 3: and her like it seems to be something with Masonry
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  Speaker 3: and Mormonism. I mean, like, I know Joseph Smith was
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  Speaker 3: a Mason, and the Rotary Club technically was started by Masons,
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  Speaker 3: or I think a few of them more Masons. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: some people will argue and say it's not Masonic. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's still a Masonic order in a sense. But
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  Speaker 3: it's just, you know, it was interesting how like I've covered,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Mormonism and Masonry going together, the even use
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  Speaker 3: the beehives, you know, beehives, and then it's just like
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  Speaker 3: weird now to see like something else that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a flavor of Masonry has now got important Mormons in it.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, this is just really weird. I
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  Speaker 3: guess what I guess to start it off? What even
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  Speaker 3: how did you even stumble upon this or like or
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  Speaker 3: maybe like I could, were you looking at something else
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  Speaker 3: and stepped into this?
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  Speaker 1: You know, like how did this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rotary and Mormonism. I just it's another account on Twitter. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a deny the Mark twenty twenty, I think talking
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  Speaker 2: about racing Wisconsin and I had had some interaction with
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  Speaker 2: Mike ben Cyber on Twitter. Way back like a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: and there was something going on between them, and this
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  Speaker 2: account said something about Mormons and Rotary and it was
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  Speaker 2: something I'd never heard about, and I just I'm sort
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  Speaker 2: of a curious guy, so I thought I would check
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  Speaker 2: into it, and like immediately I found an action where
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  Speaker 2: a very prominent Mormon was the president of Rotary International.
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  Speaker 4: And where I.
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  Speaker 2: Found that was in a book that was written by
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  Speaker 2: a CIA agent named what is it, Levi Virgil Harris,
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  Speaker 2: who was a Mormon CIA agent in South America. And
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  Speaker 2: this this man had traveled out to South America to
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  Speaker 2: attend a Rotary International conference and so it just piqued
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  Speaker 2: my interest. And I mean it was one of the
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  Speaker 2: quickest veins though of Like as soon as I started
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  Speaker 2: looking into it, it was just so clear how deep
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  Speaker 2: Mormon Mormonism, you know, and Mormons were into Rotary from
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  Speaker 2: the very very beginning. And it's all in Rotary's official documentation.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's a really interesting, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 2: vein of research.
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  Speaker 1: So hm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And then I guess, uh, now, you did you want
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  Speaker 3: to pull up your site to like, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of I guess maybe get into some of the things
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  Speaker 3: you had, and I wasn't sure when you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: pull that up or not.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I mean I think like so there's there
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  Speaker 2: really is a narrative here, right, and so I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to just sort of go through that and then we
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  Speaker 2: can circle back on anything that you guys really want
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  Speaker 2: to dig in deeper, and you can just sort of
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  Speaker 2: take a look and talk some more about it.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, you know, for those who don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: know anything about Mormonism, you know, the first thing to
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  Speaker 2: understand is that when Joseph Smith, the founder of the religion, died,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't leave behind a succession plan, and so there
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  Speaker 2: were a lot of people who wanted to take power.
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  Speaker 2: And so I started my timeline here in eighteen sixty,
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  Speaker 2: which is a little bit, you know, further down than
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  Speaker 2: most people I think would in terms of the succession crisis.
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  Speaker 2: But the reason I do that is because what you'll
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  Speaker 2: see here is that approximately in eighteen sixty, those who
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  Speaker 2: felt that Smith, Joseph Smith, should have been succeeded by
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Smith the Third established the Reorganized Church of Jesus
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  Speaker 2: Christ of Latter day Saints, which later changed its name
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  Speaker 2: to the Community of Christ. So this was a really
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  Speaker 2: clean break between what people who aren't Mormon anymore we'll
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  Speaker 2: call the Brigamites and the Josephites. And it also just
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  Speaker 2: sort of neatly wraps up until about one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty years, right, which is four generations, four forty year generations.
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  Speaker 2: So when that schism happened, one of the major things
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  Speaker 2: that was going on is that the church leaders were
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  Speaker 2: really driving the church and themselves individually into really big
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  Speaker 2: financial problems. And so if you go and you look
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  Speaker 2: at George Q. Cannon, who was in the first presidency
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  Speaker 2: of the Mormon Church at that time, and Hebrew J. Grant,
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  Speaker 2: who was an apostle in the church. You'll see in
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  Speaker 2: George Q. Cannon's diary for the fourth of December eighteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety one, where he says that he had he had
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  Speaker 2: quite a long conversation with brother H. J. Grant concerning
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  Speaker 2: the subject which we had been discussing, the formation of
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  Speaker 2: a company to get loans of money on low interest
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  Speaker 2: from the East. So at this point in time, the
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  Speaker 2: church was really in financial trouble, and especially these leaders
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  Speaker 2: of the church, and so they were having these conversations
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  Speaker 2: about how they were going to bail themselves out. And
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  Speaker 2: of course, you know where they looked was back east
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  Speaker 2: because that's where all the moneyed interests were.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You can sort of see how extreme the problem was
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  Speaker 2: because in General Conference, which that's like twice a year,
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  Speaker 2: the Mormons get together, all of them together and have
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  Speaker 2: a big conference. And in that conference in eighteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 2: George Q. Kennon, that same guy, was saying, the great
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  Speaker 2: bulk of the people, that is, the leading people, are
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  Speaker 2: in debt. The most prudent among us have got entangled.
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  Speaker 2: So Canon had a son of Frank Cannon, who was
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  Speaker 2: a congressman and also knew a lot of people back easton.
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  Speaker 2: So he and his son and other church leaders devised
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  Speaker 2: this plan to finance the church by issuing bonds. Right,
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  Speaker 2: and it says here after Woodruff, which is referring to
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  Speaker 2: Wilfrid Woodruff, who was the president of the church. So
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  Speaker 2: the president of the church eagerly accepts the plan to
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  Speaker 2: finance the church by issuing bonds. And so once the
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  Speaker 2: president gives the green light, there Frank and George take
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  Speaker 2: the train to New York to go sell Eastern Capital
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  Speaker 2: on the proposition of investing in Mormonism as a business.
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  Speaker 1: Deal involve in New York.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, so I think I think this
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  Speaker 2: is really critical because what people have to understand is that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sort of the correlated history of Mormonism
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  Speaker 2: is that they left Utah to get away from the world, right,
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to flee from Babylon, is how they would
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  Speaker 2: say it, in order to establish Zion. And yet here
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  Speaker 2: you are in eighteen ninety six, they're in desperate financial need,
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  Speaker 2: and they immediately turn right back around and go back
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  Speaker 2: to New York. And I'm going to show you who
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  Speaker 2: they were talking to down here at the bottom, because
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  Speaker 2: I think this is extremely important for the conversation. So
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  Speaker 2: Frank says, it was interesting to watch the encounters between
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  Speaker 2: the Mormon prophet and some of the students of the
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  Speaker 2: nation's financiers. Frank related as they interview John Judge, John F. Dillon,
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  Speaker 2: and Winslow Pierce, attorneys for some of the Union Pacific interests.
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  Speaker 4: Also Edward K.
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  Speaker 2: Harriman, which is a really important name because the Harrimans
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  Speaker 2: are bush Boys, right, so that whole political dynasty of
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  Speaker 2: the Bushes is tied in with the Harrimans. And the
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  Speaker 2: Union Pacific, George J. Gould and members of the firm.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how to.
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  Speaker 4: Say this, so you'll have to forgive me, but it's
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  Speaker 4: Kuhn Loeb and Company. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how much time we have, but if
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  Speaker 2: we want to circle back, we can look at who Kuhn,
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  Speaker 2: Loeb and Company's clients were. But the thing to know
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  Speaker 2: here is that Kuhn, Loeb and Company ends up being
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  Speaker 2: Lehman Brothers, which ends up being bought by what American
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  Speaker 2: Express and so on and so forth. So they were
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  Speaker 2: one of the most influential investment banks at this time.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's really interesting is that a Christopher Lobe
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  Speaker 3: from the whole Gilgo Beach situation. You probably may not
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  Speaker 3: even know who he is. Not too many people even
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  Speaker 3: really know his situation in any way with gog Beach,
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  Speaker 3: but he's got the same last name, and he was
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  Speaker 3: like trying to show me, I mean, and he did
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  Speaker 3: pretty pretty good job at it, like sending me stuff.
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  Speaker 3: How that last name does go kind of back to
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  Speaker 3: like some pretty interesting prominent PF.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's another really really interesting name tied to that,
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  Speaker 2: which is Chef right, which you might Adam.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that he's like Scheff was the one who
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  Speaker 2: actually ended up running Kune mob.
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  Speaker 4: So sorry, last I didn't mean to talk.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 5: The the attorneys Pierson Dylan that they were for the
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  Speaker 5: Union Pacific and that that ties into Mormonism. Is that
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  Speaker 5: anything related to Independence, Missouri, where Mormons were initially located.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't know where these connections to
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  Speaker 2: these Union Pacific interests really started.
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  Speaker 6: I can tell you is started in Missouri, right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I actually don't know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: But what I know is that Union Pacific and Mormonism
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  Speaker 2: are tied together at the hip.
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  Speaker 4: So like, let me just give you a really quick
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  Speaker 4: for example, So.
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  Speaker 2: Dallan Ah Jokes, who's going to be the next prophet
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  Speaker 2: of the Mormon Church, sat on the board of Union Pacific.
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  Speaker 2: Brigham Young sat on the board of Union Pacific. I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to think who out. I mean, there's like multiple,
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  Speaker 2: there's multiple. I want to say it's the Marriotts, but
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  Speaker 2: I might be wrong about that. So but I mean
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  Speaker 2: there's multiple, multiple prominent Mormon men tied to these railroad interests, which,
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  Speaker 2: of course, when you're tied into the railroad. You're tied
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  Speaker 2: into the politics of the railroad, right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the railroad controls a lot. I mean, Union Pacific,
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  Speaker 5: I believe if I'm a mistake and started in Kansas City,
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  Speaker 5: Missouri off of the back of the cattle drives, because
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  Speaker 5: Kansas City, Missouri was the center hub for cattle drives
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  Speaker 5: back in the early eighteen hundreds. And then you have
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  Speaker 5: the railroad coming out. But then you also have Independence,
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  Speaker 5: Missouri kind of as an offshoot of Kansas City, and
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  Speaker 5: I believe that is one of the hubs for Mormon is.
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  Speaker 5: They even have a better genealogy place in Independence, Missouri
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  Speaker 5: that rivals that of the one of the Mormon Okay,
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  Speaker 5: And that's that's how I saw the connection with Mormonism,
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  Speaker 5: Union Pacific and Independence Missouri.
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  Speaker 6: But that's why I was asking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Independence is just a little bit before where
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  Speaker 2: this timeline starts. And so I haven't driven quite that
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  Speaker 2: far back in my research, but like, now that you've
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  Speaker 2: sort of thrown that out, it's certainly gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: be something I have to go look at, right So,
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  Speaker 2: because I just can't stop myself.
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  Speaker 1: So I love it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, oh, real quick, before before we let you continue.
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  Speaker 3: I just did want to ask, is it Missouri that
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  Speaker 3: they consider, uh, the Mormons consider actually the whatever the
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  Speaker 3: Zion or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that Independence area and Adam On Diamen and Liberty
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  Speaker 2: is where a lot of really important historical events in
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  Speaker 2: the Church took place. And so the church sort of
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  Speaker 2: the mainstream you know, church belief is that eventually everybody's
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  Speaker 2: going to wander back that direction and that's where the
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  Speaker 2: New Jerusalem will be built, and so it's a major
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  Speaker 2: major part of both church history and sort of their destiny,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to the believers.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting. You think if we just we'll just move
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  Speaker 3: over to that area and the world takes a ship.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, cheap real estate out there.
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  Speaker 1: I hear.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe some of these maybe some of these weird like
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  Speaker 3: I don't want it's necessarily call it a cult, but
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  Speaker 3: like maybe like one of these weird things, like maybe
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  Speaker 3: they're onto something like maybe they're actually picking a safe spot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's beautiful, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Like I live in Tennessee and when I want to
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  Speaker 2: get away and just and just go away with myself
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  Speaker 2: and just camp, like Missouri is the place to escape to,
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  Speaker 2: and it's gorgeous out there, and and so yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's a great part of the country for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Arkansas and Missouri, it's it's a beautiful part of
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  Speaker 2: the country. So you can sort of see like when
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Smith landed there, right, and you know, like.
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  Speaker 4: Garden of Eden.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, why not, right, I mean, it's it really is
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  Speaker 2: beautiful and so but yeah, so there, I mean, but
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  Speaker 2: major major apocalyptic events predicted, you know for that area.
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  Speaker 2: You know that it needs to be cleansed before the
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  Speaker 2: Mormons going to be turned back there and sort of
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  Speaker 2: build this new Jerusalem that they believe will sort of
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  Speaker 2: mirror the Jerusalem in the Middle East and so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. So a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 2: theology and doctrine around that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely try to cleanse it and clean it up over
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  Speaker 3: there now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So anyway, so you know, you can see
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  Speaker 2: sort of this this need and you can see where
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  Speaker 2: they turn and so I mean, I don't think it
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  Speaker 2: takes too much imagination to figure out where this sort
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  Speaker 2: of heads, right, So these financiers are willing to take
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  Speaker 2: on the Mormon Church sort of as an investment. And
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  Speaker 2: really what they're doing is they're buying the industriousness of
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  Speaker 2: the Mormons, right, Like you talk about the beehive, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and it may have been where we started recording, but
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  Speaker 2: like you know, Mormons are known as this industrious people
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  Speaker 2: who turned the desert into a rose. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think these financiers look at it and say, yeah, like,
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  Speaker 2: we're certainly happy to bail you out if we can
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  Speaker 2: profit off the hard work of the people that you lead, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so like in a very loose sense, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: not even in a very loose sense, like I would
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  Speaker 2: sort of suggest that the Mormon leaders, who were in
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  Speaker 2: debt and really desperate, almost sold their people into slavery,
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  Speaker 2: right to these Union Pacific interests in Harem and kunam
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  Speaker 2: Up and eventually Wroteary International, which ties in, as we're
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  Speaker 2: going to see really soon, to the United Nations and
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  Speaker 2: so on and so forth. Right, But it's all pretty
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  Speaker 2: normal human history. Like, you know, people who are broke
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  Speaker 2: do desperate things, and the Mormon leaders were broke, and
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  Speaker 2: it looks like they may have done something a little
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  Speaker 2: bit desperate that led to some pretty nasty consequences. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So my next little spot here on the timeline.
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  Speaker 4: I just called it.
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  Speaker 2: Bohemian men do Bohemian things, right, So when you think
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  Speaker 2: of Mormons, the last thing you're supposed to be thinking
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  Speaker 2: of a bohemiancause they're suppos these straight laced, you know,
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  Speaker 2: conservative men who wear suits and ties. But what you
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  Speaker 2: see is as soon as they start getting this money
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  Speaker 2: flowing in, is you get Wilfred Woodriff out at the
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  Speaker 2: Bohemian Club.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, the Bohemian Club is not.
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  Speaker 2: The same as the Bohemian Grove, and so people need
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  Speaker 2: to be really careful about what they sort of you know,
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  Speaker 2: draw what inferences they draw from this. But what we
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  Speaker 2: can see is that on August twenty seventh, eighteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 2: which was right before Wilfrid Woodriff's death, he was out
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  Speaker 2: at the Bohemian Club, and he was the oldest man
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  Speaker 2: Mary says, and he gave a speech. So clearly they
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  Speaker 2: had bought their way to access some of the more exclusive,
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  Speaker 2: you know, occult organizations in the nation at this point, right,
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  Speaker 2: and this had already been going on. You can see
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: it in the newspapers where Salt Lake City is fascinated
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: with Yale and Skull and bones, which we're going to
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: talk more about. But this seems to me to be
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the place where they've gotten rid of polygamy and the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: financiers are ready to dump money into this Mormonism enterprise.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And now you're going to start seeing more become prominent
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: outside of Utah and especially back in Washington, d C.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: So you know, the major person that you're going to
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: hear about is Reed Smoot. And so I don't know
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: if you guys know this story, I'll try to keep
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: it short, but Reed Smoot was elected. Yeah, so if
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: you look at it, sort of, once the money starts
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: flowing in, you know, as most of us know in
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, a lot of those congressional seats and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: senatorial seats are really kind of up for sale, right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And like, once the money starts flowing in, you start
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: seeing Mormons get access to sort of these higher forms
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: of government. And the first person that you really hear
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: about is Read Smooth. And there's a bunch of hearings
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: where they pull in everybody all the way up to
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the Mormon profit where he says, look, I'm not really
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that kind of profit sort of a thing. And eventually
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: though he's able to take his seat, and once he
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: takes his seats, he starts pulling a group of Mormons
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: back east from Utah into.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Swamp right over in Washington, d C.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And you start seeing an entirely new sort of subculture
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: out in Washington, d C.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Of Mormons that are really.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Into this occult, secret societies and intelligence agencies and so
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: on and so forth. So probably the prime example of that,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: like right around that time, is that over at the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: University of Utah, you see Yale create a chapter of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Skull and Bones there at the university. And I've had
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: this fight about a million and a half times, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: so I'm hoping this video can just put it to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: bed forever, because if you go to the Utonian, which
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: is the University of Utah yearbook, what you'll see is
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that they say it right out loud, right and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: can try to blow So it's not a great quality picture,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: but it says right here, Skull and Bones was founded
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: at Yale University in whatever year that is, eighteen thirty two,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: maybe out in eighteen whatever it is. And on May eighteenth,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen oh nine, eleven men of the junior class of
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah became charter members of the society
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at this school. So you'll get people like, well, I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to say his name because I feel bad
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: for him, but it's it's one of the Bennetts. You know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you had the senator the senators Bennett from Utah, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: one of their you know, posterity will come on and say,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you know, quit being mean to my grandfather and my
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: dad because it was just an academic honors society.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But I mean, the historical record is really clear that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yale reached out to Utah and they established a chapter
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: of Skull and Bones right.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: There at the University of Utah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Within a couple of years you see Harding, who was
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a Skull and Bones member, right, and he makes a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: visit out to Utah, where these University of Utah students
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: give Harding a am I saying that, right, is it Harding? No,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: William Howard Taft, I apologize. William Howard Taft is the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Skull and Bones president, right. His father, Alfonso was one
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of the originators of Skull and Bones at Yale. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: so when Taft comes out to the University of Utah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah students give him nine Yale cheers,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and Taft recognizes that and says, I noticed you gave
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: nine Yale cheers. I'm glad to know you know that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a Yale man. I thank you for the courtesy, right,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And so you can just sort of see this building, right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And I sort of think I was a Mormon for
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a long time. I was kicked out of the church
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in January, and so like, I come from sort of this,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: like we always talk about like gardening right in the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Mormon Church, and I really think about these financiers sort
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of planting their garden at the University of Utah, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: then you can just sort of watch as.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: It matures and grows.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So one thing I forgot to point out is that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: if you don't know who this guy is up here,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: everybody should really go look up. And I don't know
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: how to say his name properly, so I'll offend him probably.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Gordon Ghee or Gordon g
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But he was a university president at many many universities
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in the United States from the time after he was
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in Skull and Bones. But you're going to find a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: ton of really prominent men who go through that Skull
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and Bones sort of feeder system. They're at the University
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of Utah and then are farmed out into positions of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: influence and gain in business, in law, and then of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: course in the church, which we're going to get to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: here pretty soon. So one of the important things that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think that most people don't know is that it
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: was actually the future Utah governor, Herbert ma that was
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: selecting Skull and Bones members there at the University of Utah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He was a dean at the University of Utah and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was in charge of the debate club. And so you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: can see here from a newspaper article where it talks
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: about how Herbert B. Maw is going to choose the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: candidates from the applications received. So from the very very beginning,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you've got very powerful people choosing out the people that
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: they want to be very very powerful in future generations,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Of course, we have our fun little picture, because you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: people think that in Utah nobody does anything, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: offensive or crazy. But we've got our guy in blackface,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: it says, little snow black. We've got our cross stresser,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and I don't know who this guy is over here.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like a ninja or whatever,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but the thing to remember here is that it ends
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: up that the Mormon prophet is a member of Skull
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and Bones, right, and he's not going to get away
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: joining this club without doing something along these lines, right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And so I think people just need to keep in
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: mind that these secret societies, at least in my opinion,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: are really built on relationships of mutual shame, right, Like
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you paddle each other and you do stupid things, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: then of course that yell skull and Bones. There's terrible
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: stories about initiation rights that I won't get into too much,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but really these relationships are built on the ability to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: embarrass each other, right, because you've done shameful things with
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: each other. And so it's really interesting to see this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: group of Mormons flow through Skull and Bones at the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: University of Utah, including apostles and profits of.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: The Mormon Church. Right. I'm going to stop there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: For just one second and let you guys ask me
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: questions if you want, because this next little piece, it
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: sort of moves away from the Skull and Bones and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: into the rotary connection. Did you guys have any questions
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: about anything on sort of these last few data points.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: The oh the Owl and Key secretcy. Isn't that also
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: a mirror of another one at Yeah?
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: My understanding, just based on the literature that I've read,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: is that Skull and Bones is your junior year, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: then if you're in Skull and Bones, you automatically become
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a member of Al and Key, right, And so I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: look at this is sort of like you've got your
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: sort of normal fraternity system that you have at every university,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and I sort of think about that as like the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: minor leagues, right, And I'll often have people say, well,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: look justin like my dad was Sigma Kai or my
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: grandpa was you know, Pi Kap Alpha and he was
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a great guy, at to which I reply, well, yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like ninety something percent of people who joined fraternities really
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: just want free beer and you know, company at night,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and you know whatever else it is that you get,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and then of course the networking for your career, right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And so I really think of that as sort of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: like the minor league system for these sort of occult
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: secret societies. And then if you sort of are willing
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to continue, like they're just going to test you, right,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and they're going to ask you to do something else,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and as you continue to show that you're willing to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: do what they ask you to do, you're gonna get
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: bumped up into something like a skull and Bones, which
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: then throws you into Alan Key your senior year, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: then you're going to find yourself a nice push job
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: out of college. And and so life is just a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: little bit easier that way, right, Does that make sense?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: One thing?
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Scroll and Key, sorry, Scroll and Key the
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: one from you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was, yeah, yeah, And they all have their
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: own names, right, so at university do how you can
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: see right here it is Alan Key at the University
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of Utah, but you're right at Yelle, it's a different name.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I've wondered about real quick? They also
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: have bookn Snake over it. Yeah, and I've wondered if
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: there's like some kind of like connection and with the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: other one and this one. I mean, you know what
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like the way the words are playing, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: could see me show all of them like kind of
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: being connected in a sense.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, So let me let me tell you how it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: worked in the universit of Utah, because I don't know
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: anything about that specific one that you're talking about.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: But let me sort of just tell you what the
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: data shows.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So you know, in my career, like I work with
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: data all day long, and so I was able to
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: go through all the U tony in yearbooks and we
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: just sort of tore out all the pages that showed
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Skull and Bones and all the fraternity members.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: And when we ran the data, what you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Can see for the let's see, it's got to be
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: about sixty something years of data that we have is
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that it's very clear that there was a power sharing
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: agreement between Sigma Kai and Pi Kappa Alpha up at
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah, where each of them would get
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: about fifty percent of Skull and Bones initiates every year, right,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And then you sort of had your stragglers with these
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: other fraternities and they would sort of get the pick
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: like the slim pickings that were left over, the breadcrumbs
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that were left over, as a better way of saying that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Or you know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And then they really liked to pick out people like
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the best athlete on campus, right, and so that would
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: be somebody that they would also pull in to Skull
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and Bones or something like that. But they all like
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: on like, so, and you have to remember you brought
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: up masonry earlier. Right, Every fraternity in the United States
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: is based on freemasonry. Right, That's a very well established
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: fact in the literature as well, right, And so like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: while they have their rivalries, right, in a larger sense,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: they're all playing for the same team.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: And you see this very clearly in.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: The Mormon Church, where you'll have a guy go in
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Sigma Kai and he'll have a friend who's in pikap
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Alpha while they're in college, but then they'll end up
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: working for the same government institution after they go through
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Skull and Bones, and then they'll end up in church
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: callings together. And so, I mean, the thing that they
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: all have in common is that they're just hiding things, right,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: which is why they're a cult secret societies, right, They're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: just they have their secret handshakes, they have their secret oaths,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: their death oaths, and but on a certain level they're
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: going to work together in order to accomplish sort of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the larger what I would consider Masonic purposes.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I think very few people there are actually really of
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: like deep understanding of the occult and magic and aurelium
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: kind of either like being taken advantage over, or they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: just kind of like an everyday person just you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: just serve every day, you know, or or they're kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: of like stream looks.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well look, I mean like and it's like it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a beautiful system, right, It's like genius because you put
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: together a bunch of organizations in the name of service
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to humankind and then you sort of like started off
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: by humiliating each other, and then you can just sort
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of start cranking up those experiences to see who's going
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to be willing to compromise their integrity more and more, right,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and so like, I mean, I give them all the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: credit in the world. Like it's really genius the way
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that it's all set up, right, and so, and then
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: in what it ends up, you end up having a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: ton of conversations with people saying, like, look, most of
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the people in these organizations are good people, and you
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: have to acknowledge that that's true. What people aren't willing
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to look at or dig deeper on, is well, what
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: about those people that you continue to press to do
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: more and more immoral whatever you want to say, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: shameful things and they continue to do it, and you
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: just pluck those people out and then you put them
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: into the positions where they can really make a difference
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: in terms of your goals and your strategy of what
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you want to accomplish in the world, right, which is
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: where rotary really ties into this. Which it was really
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: amazing last week when this came up, because it really
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: does sort of tie in this sort of like one
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: world government, United Nations sort of overall goal, right, And
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: so like, if you want me to, like, we can
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: move on, because that's actually the very next thing. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it really gets extremely interesting here. And I don't think
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I would say ninety nine percent of Mormons have no
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: idea that this is what happened in their history. Right,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So what you got here is this guy. His name
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: is Marigan, and again I'm just terrible with names, but
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it's like Marion Clovar Nelson, right, And so Marian is
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the father of Russell Marion Nelson, who is the current
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Lotter Day
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Saints and Presidents of the Corporation Soul also known as
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. And
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I can see I have a spelling mistake, so bad
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: on me.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: But so sorry about that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Marion Nelson was not really active in the church while
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Russell was growing up, but what he was is extremely
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: active in the community, and people can go and just
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: find his obituary and it's very clear that he was
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: like extremely influential. And it just so happens that Marion
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Clovar Nelson or Claver Nelson became the president of the
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City Rotary Club in nineteen forty three. Right now,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty three, of course, is leading up to the war,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and when you go through the newspaper archives, what you
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: can see is that Marion basically takes the Rotary Club
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and he's just organizing all the wartime efforts through the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Rotary International Organization in Salt Lake City. And he's doing
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: it along with a guy by the name.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Of Wallace F.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Bennett, right, who was Skull and Bones and senator there
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in Utah. So I don't want to go too deep,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and this will stop me if I start rambling, But
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: there's this really weird theme where you've got Russell, Mary
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and Nelson, who's clearly an extremely bright man. He was
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a heart surgeon, speaks multiple languages, so there's like there's
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: no doubt that he was extremely bright. But he started
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah in nineteen forty one, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you can't really find hide or hair of him all
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: that much in the record. But as soon as his
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: dad becomes the Salt Lake City Rotary International President, Russell M.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Nelson becomes the big man on campus, and he joined
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Sigma Kai and then gets bumped up into Skull and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Bones and then joins the Navy right and as a doctor,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and just sort of out of nowhere, it becomes this
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: incredible rising star there at the University of Utah. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that really didn't make any sense to me until about
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: last week when this whole Rotary thing came up. Because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: what it seems to me that and this is more
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like this is speculation at this point, but I think
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: it's fairly sound, is that you have Mary and Nelson
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: working with Wallace F. Bennett and their two boys are
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the same age. So Russell Mary and Nelson, and I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: think it's Wallace G. Bennett went to high school together
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: at East High School, and so I think what you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: end up seeing is Mary and saying, hey, could you
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: help my son out a little bit?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: He's like in the music Fraternity's he's like a pep boy,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: right like, and he's like singing, he's like and so.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: But what you see is him plucked out and then
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: put into these positions of being like on. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: he must be in the nineteen forty five Utonian fifteen
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: times his picture, right, So he goes from sort of.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Zero to hero very very quickly.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And that didn't really make sense until we realized that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Mary and Nelson was an influential person in the community,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: particularly in Rotary International, which we then learned that Rotary
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: International is like in their own literature, they brag a
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: ton about being key to the creation of the United Nations.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: And I have a link.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Here that if we wanted to look at it, this
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: article right here is where they just basically come out
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and say, look, we are one of the major reasons
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that United Nations came into existence. And it was through
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: this Dumbarton conference right that was in August through October
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: of nineteen forty four, right at the same time that
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Nelson was elected as that president of the Salt Lake
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: City Rotary International Club. So for me at least, this
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: puts things like into a very neat sort of puzzle
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and everything really fits together.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So if we go back, if we just sort of recap,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you have a bunch of church leaders who've gotten themselves
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: in a ton of financial trouble. So they go to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the financiers in the East who say, sure, we'll help
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: you out. We'll give you some loans. And of course
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: anytime somebody gives you money, there's things attached to it, right,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So there's also privileges that come along with that, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: so there's sort of this new Mormon aristocracy born when
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the money starts flowing in, and that's going to be
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: your Cannons, it's going to be your Smooths, it's going
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to be your Nelson's. It's going to be your Winders,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it's going to be your Clayton's, it's going to be
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: your Oaks. It's just sort of all the names. Oh,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of course, Marriotts, it's going to be your Echos. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: so they just sort of creates this stratification inside the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Mormon Church where there's now an aristocracy, and they sort
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of all float out towards Washington, DC.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Right now, this is a book that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I literally got just two days ago, and so I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to sort of I was going
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to digitize it, but it has a copyright on it,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and so I'm not sure it's allowed, but I will
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: be taking pictures of it. And this is really sort
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of the history of this aristocracy inside of the Mormon Church,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and you can really watch and see how they form
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: sort of their own subculture as this Mormon aristocracy, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they really see themselves as co equals with the Utah
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Church in a lot of ways. You can even find
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: organization charts where a committee that I'm going to talk
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: about here really soon. You'll see it has the first
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Presidency of the Church at the top on the organization chart.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Then it has the corem of the Twelve Apostles. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: right next to that form of the Twelve Apostles is
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: what's called the Special Affairs Committee. And that Special Affairs
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Committee was largely run out of Washington, d C. So
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: before we sort of go into Special Affairs Committee, it's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: really important to understand that out in Utah, you've got
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a group that just continues to stay and sort of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: guard the home front, right, and they create a community
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: which ironically is called Mount Olympus, right. So Mount Olympus,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: of course is the home of the gods in Greek mythology.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And so you get a bunch of these fraternity guys
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: from the University of Utah on what they call the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: East Bench out there in Utah, which sort of runs
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Bountiful Salt Lake and down a little bit further south.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: But they create this their own neighborhood called Mount Olympus.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And so there's sort of these cosplay Christians who have
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: been doing fraternity things while also pretending to be Mormons,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and maybe not pretending.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: That's probably not fair to say.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Like I think they're genuine and sincere in what they're doing,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: but like they just can't help themselves. And they create
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: this community called Mount Olympus where the gods of Mormonism
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: are going to.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Live, you know.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: And something really terrible happens out there in the nineteen sixties,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and a woman who goes by the name of April Daniels,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that's a pseudonym, wrote a book about this in the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties where she talks about the abuse that occurred
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: out there in Mount Olympus in the nineteen sixties. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the book is called Paper Dolls and Cowboy Boots. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: would highly recommend that everybody interested in you know, sort
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of abuse in the LDS Church.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Read it. It's sort of the.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's the book that everybody talks about, right because it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it has to do with sort of these East benures
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and it's really prominent families like we're going to see
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: here coming up really soon. So what happens in this
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: sexual abuse situation is that it gets covered up, right,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: which the LDS Church is out there and they say
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: we have we're the gold standard of LDS of abuse
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: response and prevention and all this, but when you dig
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: into it, I mean, they're just they're really the worst, right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: They just cover up scandal after scandal after scandal. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to look at a couple of really important
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: ones here in the next few minutes. And so at
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this time we know that the church is working with
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the CIA because the Bennett family is involved in Watergate
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: right through public relations.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: And that kind of thing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And so when that falls apart, what you see is
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that at the end of sort of the Bennetts run
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: with the CIA, you see the church spin up sort
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of its own intelligence unit, and Gordon B. Hinkley is
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: in charge of both sort of the propaganda arm of
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the church, which is all the media, and he's also
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in charge of the intelligence gathering operations, which I link
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to on my blog if people want to go to that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And so they create this committee called the Special Affairs Committee,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and the Special Affairs Committee becomes sort of this hydra
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of bureaucracy, bureaucratic committees that get spun up during the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: era of Gordon B. Hinkley's leadership in the church and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like leading up to that, because he was profit of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the church for quite a while, but before even before that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: he was running the church because the Mormon profit was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: really sick and not able to sort of discharge his duties.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So this Special Affairs Committee is really something that I mean,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we could do multiple shows just on the Special Affairs Committee.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: But if you just sort of think.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: About it as the church's own internal interface with the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex and specifically like the CIA and the FBI,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that's probably the easiest way to think about it. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you've got guys like Ezra Taft Benson who was in Washington,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: d c. And then became an apostle of the Church
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in prophet having deep correspondence with j Edgar Hoover, And
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: then you run into Spencer W. Kimball, who was a
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Mormon prophet who this is actually a really funny story.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: So they released Spencer W.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Kimble's journal last year, and I was like, really in
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the thick of my research, and so I was going
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: through page by page, and there was another person who
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: was sort of following along, who was also going through
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: page by page. And when we got done, he sent
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: me his file and I looked at my file and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: they had a different number of pages in them, and so,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: of course, as a guy, that just drives you crazy,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and so I had to find the missing page. And
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: when I found the missing page, here's what I found.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: On June eighth, nineteen seventy seven, Spencer W. Kimball excused
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: himself from a meeting while at like a church meeting,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and he met with Mohammed Koshogi from Saudi Arabia and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: members of his family who were there for the dedication
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: of the new International Center that was being erected out
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: west of the Salt Lake City Airport. So what happened
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: here is that they released that journal, and then somebody
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: must have been going through it and realized that they
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: had revealed that President Kimball was meeting with CIA assets
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven and pulled that page out of
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the journal. So if you were to try to go
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: find this page in the journal right now in the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: church's official archives, you wouldn't be able to find this page.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: But because this other guy was spreenshotting everything while we
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: were doing the research, we caught them in the act
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: of removing this from Spencer W. Kimball's journal last year, right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So like kind of just a lucky break there, right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What the church didn't know is that we also were
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: looking at a woman on that Special Affairs Committee by
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the name of Beverly Broff Campbell. And Beverly Broff Campbell
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: again could have her own episode, or two episodes if
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you wanted. But just the way to think about her
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: is that in her own memoirs she calls herself the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: thirteenth Apostle, and so she's working very very closely with
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the leadership of the church due to this position on
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the Special Affairs Committee that she has. And in nineteen
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: seventy seven, Beverly Broff Campbell is in Virginia using Saudi
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Arabian investor money to try to locate and buy land
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: in Virginia, which of course is CIA country, right. So,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just fairly clear that as the Church
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: continues to deepen their ties with the CIA, that they're
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: literally having their profits work with known CIA assets.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: The Kaushobies are probably the best known CIA asset in
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the Middle East, right, And so you can see these deep,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: deep ties being formed between the church and the military
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: industrial complex.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Right. So one of the.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Major things that we found here pretty early on is
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that if you go to the CIA Foyer reading room,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: there's a document from nineteen eighty four that I'm going
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to blow up here and you can see it's marked
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the Secret And in nineteen eighty four, Office of Personnel
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: representatives travel to Brigham Young University, which is the church's university,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to recruit and meet with senior officials of the Mormon
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Church to discuss agency recruitment of church members. The church
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: indicated its endorsement of the agency's mission and its elders
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: plan to meet and address any concerns about our recruiting
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: effort and its possible undercutting of the church's image. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: what you can see here is that the leaders of
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the church unders stood that what they were doing would
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: undercut the image of the Church, and yet they went
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: ahead and did it anyway. And then as I dug
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: deeper and deeper into the CIA's mission, I became more
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and more concerned because I bet you guys can tell
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: me what the CIA's mission is, right, It's all about
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: paranormal and occult activity and controlling people's minds and so
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: on and so forth. So the fact that the leaders
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: of the church were willing to endorse that mission knowing
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that what they were doing would undercut the church's image
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: because what the church's mission is supposed to be was
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: really deeply troubling, and it was one of the things
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that I think eventually sort of led me to getting
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: next communicated from the church because I wasn't willing to
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: let go of my concerns there. So I'm going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: stop there again because I think this is a good
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: sort of break in the chronology. Any questions about this
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: sort of LDS Mormon CIA military industrial complex, I have
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a question.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: The timeline of nineteen seventy seven, the fact that they
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: met with Kaushoki, the fact that LDS was now present
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: in Central and South America brings Iran Contra all into play.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great question.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And I did not put this on here, and I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: probably need to add it in after the show, because
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: so one of the major things that people need to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: understand is that nineteen seventy seven is obviously a little
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: bit before Reagan. But in nineteen eighty, Ronald Reagan gets
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: elected and his number three guy is Dick Worthlin. And
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Dick Worthlin is a Washington, d C. Mormon, one of
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: these sort of you know that read book that I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: showed you. He's out there in Washington, d C. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: he's extremely powerful in that Reagan administration. And Dick Worthlin
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: is related to a Mormon apostle, Richard B. Worthlin, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: also Gordon Bitner Hinckley, who was an apostle and then
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: eventually the prophet. They're all cousins. And so this Mormon
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: aristocracy is they're all related to each other, right, like
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: just like Youuropean royalty, like Inner Mary's and I mean
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: maybe not at the same level, but like it's it
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: is an aristocracy, right, And so you get in nineteen eighty,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you get Dick Worthlin up there in Ronald Reagan's ear,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and there certainly like every major scandal that you can
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: think of, Lisa, like Watergate, you have de Todd Christofferson
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: is one of the lawyers there, and you have the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Bennetts being you know, using public relations for the Molin's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: public relations firm to run you know, different things like
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: but I mean the Robert Kennedy assassination. If you look
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: that up, the bodyguard of Kennedy was a Mormon, right, So,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: like everywhere you find one of these sort of major
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories, you're going to find within one degree of separation,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a prominent Mormon aristocratic family involved in that in that situation.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, certainly Iran Contra and anything going on
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: during Reagan and Bush's administrations, even Trump though, so Trump's
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: national security advisor is Robert was Robert C. O'Brien his
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: last national security advisor. And this is not on the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: timeline either, but what I found is that Robert C. O'Brien,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you can find an OIG report filed by one of
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the Vindman brothers, not the one that most people know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: but the one that was like in the army. He's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: an army lawyer, and he filed an OIG report against
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Robert C. O'Brien, who was a Mormon. That was Trump's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: national security advisor because O'Brien was visiting Brigham Young University
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: in September through November of whatevery year. It was that
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: COVID became a household word and Trump was being impeached
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: for the first time. And Vindman looked at that and said,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: why is Robert C. O'Brien using government money to visit
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the leaders of the Mormon Church at Brigham Young University.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I think that Vindman actually just didn't understand the nature
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of the relationship between the Mormon Church and the military
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: industrial complex, and he flagged something that was actually appropriate,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: like quote unquote appropriate for all parties involved. But then
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: O'Brien retaliated against Vinman, and so that gave Vinman the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: opportunity to file this OIG report and get sort of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: like because he wasn't getting promoted, right, he wasn't getting
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the raises that he wanted or whatever. People can go
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: read the report for themselves.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: So but I mean this.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Connection between like prominent Mormons in high level national security positions,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex, so on, and so forth. I mean
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that goes all the way through Trump. And I haven't
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: looked at Biden's administration at all, but I would imagine
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: if you looked, you would probably find many prominent Mormons
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: still involved in that Biden administration as well.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, I have said myself, and I found
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: it interesting that you brought up Trump. I don't know
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: if I really I can't put my finger on exactly why.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: But I always get like a certain vibe with like Trump, Mormons,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and even Musk, like somehow kind of intertwining with like
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: a certain vision or idea.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you bring up must because I mean,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: are you guys aware that I can't I'll never remember
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: his name. It's Jared something. But did you guys know
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that Elon Musk's number two man is a Mormon? Are
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you guys aware of that? Yeah, so it's Jared Birchall,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I think. But if I get that wrong, people are
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: gonna kill me. But so his number two guy. If
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you just google Jared Birchall Elon Musk, you'll see that
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: he's been managing Musk's fortune, which is really fascinating because
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: if you go back in time, you'll see that Howard
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Hughes was also handled by the Mormons and their intelligence
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: group to the point where that term Mormon mafia that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you'll sometimes hear really stems from a guy by the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: name of Gay.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: His last name is Gay.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I can't remember his I think it's Robert Gay, but
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I can't remember his first name right now. And out
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: in LA they took Howard Hughes, and they just kept
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: isolating him and isolating him and isolating him. And then
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: when Howard Hughes died, a check showed up on Spencer W.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Kimball's death saying, this is Howard Hughes's fortune. He wanted
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to give it to the Mormon Church, and eventually they
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: like that that ended up being like a forgery and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a problem, and they did the church sh didn't take
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: that money or anything like that. But what you can
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: see is that like some of the richest men are
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: really handled by Mormons, right, And like, look, I can't
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: prove that Jared, you know whatever his name is, Birchall
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: is Central Intelligence Agency. I've never seen any evidence to that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: But what you can see is that he is in
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: charge of Elon Musk's financial empire and in charge of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: multiple companies that really he has no business running, right,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And so it gives off the same appearance as the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Howard Hughes situation back whenever that was going on in
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the fifties and sixties, right. And then of course, if
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: you want to chase that down even a little bit further,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that the guy the you know, we would call him
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Brother Gay or Elder Gay, like, he ties directly into
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Mitt Romney. So Mitt Romney shut down Baine Capital because
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Gay's daughter had gone missing, and so you know, you
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: get Romney and at this point, and like I said,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're all connected, and we could go down
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a million different rabbit holes, but I just want to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: be careful not to do that sort of in the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: format that we're in. So but it's all very very
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: very much tied together through the familial relationships and the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: occulty for society relationships.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: It just always struck me on.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: But when I went into Mexico, and then of course,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: of course when I was in South America, that a
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: little bit of the history that I knew about South America,
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: especially with the Dirty Wars of Argentina, that how I
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: believe that was when the Mormons really stepped up their
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: game and their presence in Argentina and their missionary Yeah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you started Argentina Brazil, you.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Started to see all of this upright, what do you
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: call it unrest in these countries?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: It wasn't, but it was also Nazi presence in some
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: of those countries a long time ago as well well.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: And I have a question about that when we got
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: to the rotary, about the rotary Nazis, juice and Mormonism.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, yeah, So let's let's I mean, I
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: think that's actually a good time. Let's just keep talking
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: about this because I think it's fascinating and it's okay
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: if we don't get to the rest of the of
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the chronology, but like, let's talk about this because again,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: just last week, somebody sent me a document, another CIA document,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: which I did not put in this timeline, but it
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: shows the quote unquote Mormon people asking the CIA for
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: access to IBM equipment, which at that time was really
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: deeply tied into Nazi Germany.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Right, correct.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: There weren't a ton of people who knew how to
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: use that equipment, and they certainly weren't a lot of
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: people who could afford to purchase that equipment or utilize it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: And so this is something that's really fresh and really
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: new in my own research. And so I can't speak
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: like really intelligently to it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: But actually.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: In that link that you sent me today, no, you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: know what it is. It's the it's the Coon and
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Mob connection. Sokuon and Mob is German families, right that
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: came over to America, and then they're financing a lot
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: of different nations, right, And so I think you're right
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: on like and again, like I don't want to try
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to go to do because I'm going to sound really
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: ignorant because this is a very new area of research
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: for me. But those ties are real, and I mean
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it's been known for quite a while. Like a lot
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: of ex Mormons and anti Mormons will use the Nazi
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Germany's treatment of the Mormons as an example of like
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: why you shouldn't trust Mormons, because Mormonism was one of
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the few religions that was sort of allowed to sort
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: of just go on with business throughout the time.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: That the social socialists were in charge over there.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's definitely something that you could
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: go way way deeper than I ever have. In terms
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: of those that unrest, I do want to speak to
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Eastern European unrest, though it sounds like you know more
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: about sort of that Latin American unrest. What you'll see
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: is that men like Russell M. Nelson and the Special
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Affairs Committee are going into countries in Eastern Europe and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: giving quote unquote humanitarian checks when something like an earthquake
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: happens in our Menia.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And there's a really good book called Mormon Missionaries Enter
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe. And I can't I'll never forget when I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: read this for the first time, because it just became
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: so clear to me what was really happening over there.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: So what had happened is there would be a natural
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: disaster and the Special Affairs Committee would send somebody like
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Russell M. Nelson over there to give them a small
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: humanitarian aid check and that would get them in the door.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Once they had their foot in the door, then you
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: would have Nelson saying, well, you know what you guys
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: need is you guys need like a concrete factory to
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: rebuild all of the buildings that were damaged in the earthquake.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And I just so happened to know a guy named
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: John Huntsman. Right, Well, Huntsman is Sigma Kai, right. So
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Huntsman comes in and he gets these huge contracts to
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: build these things. Then you have them saying well, look,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: if we're going to be building these concrete factories, we
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: really need a place to house them. I know a
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: guy named Bill Marriott, right, So then Marriott, who's Sigma
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: KAI and Washington, DC, gets caught tracks to build housing
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: for the people who are building the concrete factory. Then
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you have them come in and you say, well, look,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: if we're going to bring all these people, we need
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to feed them. I just know a guy named Don Staley, right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Don Staley was like the president of American Grain or
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: something like that. I can't remember the name of the company.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: But like what you just said, it's just a patronage network, right,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And you started off with a small humanitarian donation to
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: somebody who has had a really horrific thing happen. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: then eventually, especially in Eastern Europe. And again this is
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: very hypothetical and I don't have any documents to back
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: this up, but with what we know with the Church
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: working with the CIA and what the CIA was doing
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: in Eastern Europe, I don't think it's too much of
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: a leap to understand that the Church and the CIA
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: had a common goal. They both needed to get into
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe. The Mormon Church needed to get in there
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to preach the gospel, the CIA needed to get in
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: there to establish democracy, and it was sort of a
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: marriage made in Heaven.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Right. It doesn't seem like it's too much of a
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: leap really to know, you know.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: And it sounds very Red Cross ish.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think all these service organizations, right, if
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: you look at sort of LDS philanthropy, and this is
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: a good place to tie it back into Rotary, right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: And I didn't pull most of these documents into the timeline,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: but if people just google Mormon and Rotary International, you're
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: going to see dozens and dozens and dozens of articles
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: about the Church donating to Rotary and Rotary giving awards
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: to Mormons, and Mormons serving as presidents of Rotary International
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. And it's all under
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: this guise of service organizations. But when you look at
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Rotary International's own documentation, it's very clear that what they're
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: aiming at is sort of this one world situation. One
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: world I mean, like, look, I don't want to get
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: too much into because it's too new to me, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be promoting the United Nations, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: if you look at what the United Nations is doing.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: It seems pretty clear to me that they're pushing for
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: a one world religion, one world government situation, right.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Where Mormons really became aware of this was with the
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: COVID situation, right, And that's sort of at the bottom
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: of my of my thing here, and it really threw
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of people for a huge loop when the
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Mormon prophet who was a doctor came out and started
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: telling people to get vaccinated, which of course was deeply
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: tied in with like Rotary and the United Nations and
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: those kinds of things. And for the first time in generations,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I think people really had to stop and wonder what
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the agenda of the church's leadership was. And what I
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: think we've established here in the last couple of weeks
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: is that the Church's mission and agenda is far more
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: closely tied to Rotary International and the United Nations agenda
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and mission than it ever is or was to do
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: with anything that like Joseph Smith, for example, envisioned for
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: his religion.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Right. So yeah, so.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: It's to me it's a sort of open, shut and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: shut case at this point, Like, because I've been in
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: the documents and it's like we're not here just throwing
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: out rumors. Like everything that I put on my timelines
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: is tied directly back to a primary source that we
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: found in something like the CIA reading room or newspapers,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: dot com or a school yearbook. And so I have
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: this saying right where anybody can say anything, but actions
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: reveal intent, And Mormon Church leaders say really wonderful things, right,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: really beautiful things, But when you actually go and identify
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: what their actions have been since their college days moving forward,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: it's a totally different picture than what you would expect
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: to see from the leader of a global Christian religion, right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: It really is more of a business financed by now
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: probably worldwide financiers, but originally by East Coast financiers that
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: then made a lot of promises to the military industrial complex,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: participated in a lot of really nasty things on the
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: personal level with things like mk Ultra, and on the
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: global level with the toppling of governments potentially. Right, So
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: that's sort of the overall working hypothesis right now.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: When you said something about how like some of these
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: secret societies are basically shame bonding. We covered a synanon
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: last week and how there was that whole shame bonding
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: and we kind of tied it into the beginnings of
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: mk Ultra, and that in and of itself saw the
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: beginnings of mk Ultra out of Harvard with Henry Murray
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: saw a lot of that shame bonding or shame kind
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: of bringing it to the surface of that. But what
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, the toppling of governments with
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: all that that didn't you have some.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Of the Rotary members.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Contributing not only to IBM, which was the first punch
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: card that the Nazis used, but cyclone B, which was
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: the gas that was used to actually exterminates in these
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: concentration camps. And I believe and correct me if I'm wrong,
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: because it was when Nick said that you were coming on,
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I'm going to start looking up
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: some things that I read that at some point, I
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: think the Rotary Club was banned by the Third Reich
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: because a majority of the members were of Jewish descent.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: But in order to gain survival, some of these Jewish
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: members pledge allegiance to Nazis or were Nazi sympathizers, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: so that's where you see some of these IBM cyclone
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: b being provided as a way to and again I
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: may have gotten that completely confused, but I believe at
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: least that it came out of people who were active
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: members of Rotary International at the time.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: No, I wish I was a little bit more like
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: knowledgeable about this, Lisa, But like literally it was last
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: week that I sort of got included, and I've really
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: been looking at the Mormon connections to it. I haven't
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: even really had a chance to dig into that other
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: side of it, but I think that if people are
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: interested in this, I mean really truly and honestly, like
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: it was the easiest dig I ever did to.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Connect Rotary to Mormonism, and.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Then like sort of watch it branch out into these
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: things that you're talking about a little bit, right, And
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I just haven't had time to sort of take my
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: shovel and just keep digging, you know, as far as
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I need to. But one of the really interesting things too,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: is like the number of people that sort of appeared
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: on my Twitter timeline once I started, like once I like,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: once I acknowledged this as a thing, Like the number
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: of like sources and hints that stepped forward to give
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: me documents and so on, and so forth just sort
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: of exploded to the point where I'm so far behind here,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: and so I think it's going to take sort of
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: a larger community, especially because, like you know, my specialty
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: is really abuse in the LDS church. And I mean
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I think that like there may be some ties in
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: terms of like I would imagine that like you can
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: find some of you scandals that involve well, no, in fact,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Let me give you an example.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Last year, Chelsea Goodrich stepped forward and Michael Rizendez I believe,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: wrote a story about how the Mormon Church tried to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: pay off a girl who we know was tied to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Mormon apostles like David B. Hate and her dad, John Goodrich,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I want to say, was the president of Rotary in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: his local area. He was a dentist and he was
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: president of Rotary, and he was also a Mormon, a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: prominent Mormon, who abused his daughter for a very long time.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: And when she stepped forward, a guy by the name
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: of Ridding got involved, and he's tied into the bottom
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: of my chronology here too. Because there's a really terrible
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: ritual abuse case in Utah right now. It's the Hamblin
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: case that involves David Hamblin and David Levitt, but Ridding
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: was working for the church as their risk management lawyer,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: and Chelsea Goodrich taped him trying to talk her into
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: a really low settlement and then she refused that, and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: then they gave her a really big settlement because it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was a really big thing. But that was one of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: the first things I found when I started looking for
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: ties between Rotary and Mormonism is that in this abuse case,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: this guy was that was abusing was the president of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Rotary International, major donor extremely influential person, which gave him
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: a ton of protection when the allegation started coming forward
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: inside of the church, and the church has system upon
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: system that is built, at least in my opinion, to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: protect abusers at the expense of victims and so like,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing the scope of how this goes
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: from the personal right to these men abusing people and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: then coming up to the global which you've brought up
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: many you know, multiple times here and rightly so of
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: like toppling governments. I mean, it's it's really kind of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: overwhelming to think about the implications of the oaths that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: these men make to each other in order to push
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: forward their agenda and their mission, right, I think, so, yeah, do.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: We still have time? I know, I think you're going
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: No, you can. If you don't mind, you can you
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: can go. You can keep going.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I do.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Like I want to show you, like we talked about
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Mount Olympus, right, the home of the of the East
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Bench gods there in Utah, And I want to show
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: you something that we really just very recently dug up
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that's really pretty profound, and I have a whole nother
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: timeline attached to it. I'm not going to show you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: that timeline, but I just want to talk about what
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: happened here. So these people that I have a picture
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: of that will blow up here. Now, this is Dick
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and Brenda Miles. So Brenda Miles is the daughter of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Russell and Nelson, the Skull and Bones prophet, right that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: we talked about earlier. And in nineteen eighty five, Brenda
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and Dick Miles were allegedly involved in a pedophile ring
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: in a town called Bountiful, Utah, that's just north of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: So the pay.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Raperdol's story talks about several abusers in that book and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: one of those abusers was a man by the name
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: of Bill Carstenson, and Dick and Brenda Miles when the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: allegations came out in nineteen eighty five, were tied to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Bill Carsonson. Bill Carsonson is a diagnosed pedophile who ended
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: up committing suicide in nineteen ninety five. So what happened
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: when these allegations came out is Russell and Nelson had
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: been made an apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the Latter day Saints in nineteen eighty four, and so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: about a year after he was put into sort of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: that top tier of leadership in the Mormon Church, these
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: allegations against his daughter's surface of.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Child sex abuse.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: So within the last month or two I had a
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: source step forward by the name of David Hardy, and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: David Hardy hand delivered abuse cover up instructions to Russell,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Mary and Nelson at the church office building that were
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: given to him by his brother, Ralph Hardy Junior, who
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: is one of the Washington Elite Mormons that we talked
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: about earlier. So this is where you can sort of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: start to see everything sort of gel together, right, and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: how all these sort of things that we've talked about
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: up to this point contribute to at least in this
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: level in Utah something so like a really bad miscarriage
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: of justice because.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: They were able to bury that story in nineteen eighty six.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: But then what ended up happening is I'm sure you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: guys have both heard of the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. The
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: man who committed that crime was named Brian David Mitchell,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: who was also a part of the Paper Dolls book.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: So he's one of the abusers in the nineteen sixties
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: that went to Skyline High School in East High School
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: that didn't get punished back in the nineteen sixties because
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the Mormon Church didn't want to address it. Then there
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: was a third case, and that's the Casey Woody case,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: and a man named David Fuller learned a girl online
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: to meet him and took her to a storage unit
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: and murdered and sexually abused her and murdered her. He
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: is also a part of the Paper Dolls book and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: one of the men that was abusing in Mount Olympus
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties that was never properly addressed and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: grew up to murder this girl. So you have three
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: boys from the nineteen sixties and sort of late nineteen
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: sixties at Skyline High School and East High School in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: the Mount Olympus area.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Who were abusing we.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Don't know how many victims yet, but went on to murder, kidnap,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: and establish a pedophile read in Bountiful, where we know
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: there were at least dozens of victims. That was then
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: covered up by a Mormon apostle who received abuse cover
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: up instructions from the hands of a Special Affairs Committee
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: lawyer based out of Washington, DC. Right, my god, So
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: there's one more thing that we just uncovered last week
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: that makes it even worse. So when we were going
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: through the court paperwork, so what happens is this gets
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: buried in nineteen eighty six and it goes away for
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: quite a long time. But in twenty eighteen, David Hardy
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: teams up with a lawyer that I'm not going to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: name here. People can see it. It's on my website.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: But they round up some of these victims and they
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: file a lawsuit against Dick and Brenda Miles in federal court.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: And I was able to get my hands on those
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: court documents, and as we read Exhibit nine, that is
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the declaration of Mother II in the court papers, and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: as we started tying the pieces together, what we realized
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: is that the mother in Exhibit nine is the mother
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: of a guy named Justin Huyman. And Justin Huyman disappeared
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen from Utah. He had a really troubled life.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: He was addicted to painkillers and some other things. But
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the reason that he had a really difficult life is
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: that he was a victim of Bill Carstensen after the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six cover up of the pedophiliareen in Bountiful
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: at the hands of Russell M.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Nelson.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: In the papers, he's not named, but you can find
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: interviews with this mother and the sisters, and it's really
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: clear that it's the same family. And so in twenty seventeen,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Justin Wuman goes missing and is presumed at this point
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: dead as far as we know. The only reason that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: this happened is because they covered up the abuse in
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, and the mother, who was a church
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: office employee, married Bill Carsonson because he wasn't punished for
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: what he had done in nineteen eighty five, because Russell M.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Nelson covered up that abuse. And so Justin was born
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: to this woman in Bill Carstenson, who he then went
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: on to abuse, which led to this twenty seventeen disappearance.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: It's an active case in Utah. You can you can
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: google his name, but he is presumed dead at this
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: point from what I understand, So you can sort of see,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the seeds get planted in the nineteen sixties
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: with the Church being involved with these occult organizations that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: make agreements and oaths to protect each other at any cost.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: They want to protect the assets and image of the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: church at any cost. They don't take care of the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: problem in the nineteen sixties, and by twenty seventeen you've
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: got a disappeared individual in Utah who's presumed dead because
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: of the ABUSI suffered because of the cover up in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. Right, so the year after that, the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: man who did the covering up in nineteen eighty six
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and who hired a skull and bones lawyer. Well wait,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it that way, because we don't know
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: who hired the skull and bones lawyer. But in twenty eighteen,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: when the case was brought against Dick and Brandon Miles,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: a skull and Bones lawyer by the name of Jim
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Jardine was hired and brought in to kill the Brenda
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Miles case. And they did a really brilliant thing to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: do that I'm not going to cover it. People can
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: go to my website and read about this, or go
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: to Twitter and just search for Jim Jardine on my feed.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: But they did this really brilliant thing. But it required
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Jim Jardine to lie in his briefing to the Utah
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court where he talks about cases being dismissed because
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: of the therapist's involvement and say tannic panic and implanted
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: memories and all the bologney that you hear from the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: CIA people whenever ritual abuse happens in order to draw
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: attention away from like the fact that people need surgery
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: to repair the damage done to them and put the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: focus on satan and implanted memories.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: But a year after Justin disappears is when Russell and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Nelson pictured here peering into a hat like Joseph Smith
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: did when he was translating the Book of Mormon, was
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: installed as the president of the Church of Jesus Christ
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: of Saturday Saints On on the seventeenth of January in
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, seventeen, yep. And so yeah, and he's the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: seventeenth president of the Church, which I don't think means anything.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I know, the number seventeen, especially with like Trump people
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: and the qan on and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: or cue excuse me. He's the seventeenth president of the church.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: So that case does end up getting tossed. The Dick
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: and Brendon Miles case gets tossed on procedural grounds. Okay,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: not on the merits and not based on the evidence,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: but because Jim Jardine goes into the Utah Supreme Court,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: which you have to kind of wonder how Jim got
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: access to the Utah Supreme Court in another case where
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: oral arguments had already been heard. But when you understand
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: that these a skull and bones member, it helps you
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: understand why maybe he was able to access the judicial
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: system in the way that he was able to. It
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: also helps you understand why maybe the people who ruled
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: on the case that he said was overturned didn't check
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: his footnotes and call him out like every other lawyer
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: would have been called out in that case. Right, But
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: in the end, it doesn't matter. The case is killed.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: And the Statute of Limitations, which was extended for sexual
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: abuse victims in Utah by the legislature, was deemed unconstitutional
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: in Utah. And so there's a whole class of Utah
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: sexual abuse victims who don't have the right to pursue
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: justice in their cases because of the machinations of Russell
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: and Nelson. You know, skull and Bones, Jim Jardine's skull
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: and bones, and who else, you know, who knows who
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: else was involved in this getting this case killed.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: So to go back to sort.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Of the Rotary International and United Nations sort of flavor
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: of things. You know, one of the first things that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Russell and Nelson does when he becomes the prophet of
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: the Mormon Church and the president of the Corporation's soul
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: there in Utah is that he calls two a new apostles,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: one who's affiliated with the Council on Foreign Relations and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: one when you start looking into this rotary Mormonism connection,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: you'll often see that Ulysses Suarez is the Mormon representative
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: whenever they're talking to Rotary International, right, And so you
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: can see again sort of the fruits of Marion Clavarr
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Nelson back in forty four being Rotary International President and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: then his son becoming the president of the Church of
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christolary Saints, and immediately he starts to internationalize the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: church in sort of this United Nations way by calling
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: these apostles that have ties to some rather sketchy organizations
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, And then Garrett Gong actually has even
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: worse connections to this hambling case that I'm going to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: cover here really soon, but I'm going to I'm going
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: to sort of plow through this because I know we're
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: over time. But like again that people really like. So
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: we talked about the schism that happened at the very
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: beginning of this. There was another really major schism that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: happened in the church during COVID, right, and I mean
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: that happened all across the world, but in the Church
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: there was a really major schism because when COVID hit,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: these Mormon leaders came out like not just sort of
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: like suggesting, but like trying to use their moral authority
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: to guilt people into getting the vaccination, the vaccine right.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: And I don't have a position on the vaccine.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: My position on the vaccine has always been that if
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: you prayed about getting the vaccine, you feel like God
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: told you to get the vaccine, then by all means,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: go get the vaccine. But if you prayed about it
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: and you felt like you shouldn't, then like just don't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: get it, and everybody just leave.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: Each other alone.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Right, So it's not so much like their position that
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: bothers me. But like you have Russell and Nelson coming
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: out and calling that vaccine, which we now know is
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: not a vaccine because the Ninth Circuit ruled on that
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: last week. But you have the profit of the Mormon
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Church using his moral authority to say, look, in order
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: to be quote unquote good global citizens, you need to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: take this vaccine because it's a quote unquote literal God send, right.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: And so like.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: What I started saying is like I mean, it was
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: a literal God send in the sense that it was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: sending literally sending people to God. Right, And we continue
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: to get more and more evidence of that, in my opinion,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of room for debate here, and like,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know where you guys stand on this, but
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: in the church, it caused a major, major like awakening
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: of like who are these people and why are they
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: trying to tell me to eject things into my body?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Like they're here to give these religious guidance, not medical advice, right.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: I totally totally agree with that.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people really stepped away from the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: church at that point and have never come back, And
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are still kind of at church,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: but they're very upset about what happened there. But I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: think it makes a lot more sense when you understand
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: that his dad was the Rotary International and they're sort
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: of position on vaccinations and that kind of thing, like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: in their philanthropic philanthropic work and that sort of thing.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I think this all sort of neatly falls in place
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: when you understand that Russell and Nelson is sort of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: the tail end of the internationalization of the church, right
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: along the same lines as the way that Rotary International
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: wants the United Nations to succeed.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: So the last couple of things here I'm just going
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: to point out is that it's only in this order
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: because of the chronology, But in twenty twenty two, something
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: really really strange happened that's going to be a major
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: problem for the church moving forward probably, And you have
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: this really weird press conference where David Levitt, who's a Mormon,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: came out and announced that he's not a cannibal.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Well, nobody had accused him of being a cannibal. But
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: when you get up and you're like the Utah County
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: attorney and you say I'm not a cannibal, like that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: gets people's attention. And that led to a Grammar request,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: which led to a ton of documents being dumped about
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: this ritual abuse case in Utah County that involves this
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: man David Hamblin, who is a therapist, and this man
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: David Levitt, and a ton of these other Mormon aristocratic
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: families that are very well attested to in the fraternities
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and church leadership and so on and so forth. And
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: so I'm not going to go terribly deep on this,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: but the thing to understand is that, like so, that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: apostle Garrett Gong that got called in twenty eighteen, his
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: family is attested to in the victim statements of the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Hambling case. And a man that's very very important, his
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: name is Gordon Bowen, is very well attested to in
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: those victims statements. And it turns out that Gordon Bowen
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: has had a forty plus year relationship with Mormon profits
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: and apostles, but he's also a multiple times credibly accused
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: well maybe I can't say credibly accused for the lawyers,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: definitely in court documents. Has been accused of child sexual
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: abuse in multiple court cases. He's also the guy who
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: was in charge of the membership, has its privileges American
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Express marketing campaign, who later went on to own his
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: own marketing firm, and just extremely powerful man. And so
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: despite his behavior and the allegations that are really I'm like,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I think I feel comfortable saying like, the allegations are
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: very well substantiated, right, and he's been able to wiggle
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: out of the charges because of the power it influence,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: partly of the Mormon profits and apostles that he affiliates with.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: But for those who are interested in this, I would
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: highly encourage you to look at the work of Lynn
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Packer on YouTube, on the Gordon Bowen and then on
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: my website. I have all the court documents regarding his
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: abuse alleged abuse excuse me of his children during his
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: marriage to a woman named Barbara Timothy. So this leads
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: straight to the doorstep of the Church office building, because
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: all of these men have been affiliating with, supporting, and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: protecting Gordon Bowen for forty plus years.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: One of my major goals is to just continue to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: bring to the world the knowledge that the church that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: claims to have a zero tolerance for abuse has been
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: affiliating with supporting and protecting child abusers, alleged child abusers. Sorry,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: like when it's on video, I have to be a
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: lot more careful about what I say. Alleged child abusers
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: for decades, and these are abusers of the worst kind.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: And so I don't care whether people. I don't care
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: what people want to do, like they can affiliate with
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: and support wherever they want to, but I want them
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: to have the facts about this. And I think the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: facts show that the Mormon leadership is, on both a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: personal level and a global level, a very dangerous organization
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: to affiliate with right now. And it doesn't mean anything
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: about their truth claims, but it just means that the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: people governing the institution right now, their actions show a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: willingness to hide things and protect people that really shouldn't
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: be protected, and try to influence things that really aren't
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: within their sphere.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Of influence to be involved in.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the last thing I have is just looking
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: forward because a lot of people have been saying, well,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Russell M. Nelson is one hundred years old, right, he's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: going to die. What are you going to talk about
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: when Russell M Nelson dies? Well, so the thing is,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: it's not just Russell M Nelson, right. So the next
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: person on deck is Dallan h Oaks, And Dallan h
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Oaks has his own backstory that I'm not going to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: cover here, but you can see that during COVID he
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: did a Facebook post and this was him with his
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: new wife. His set a wife eating with gold plated
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: silverware on gold plated plates with a picture of their family, saying,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: during COVID nineteen, we take the government's warning seriously and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: so this is how we're celebrating Thanksgiving. And it just
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: so happens that Dalan H. Jokes was part of a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: group called the gold Brickers. And the gold Brickers is
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: sort of like fraternity light. It's Brigham Young University's fraternity
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: where they paddle each other in and sort of do
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: someone say things. But I would say it's not nearly
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: on the level of like a skull and bones or
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: anything like that. But Dallan Ah Jokes is the one
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: who was on the board for Union Pacific. He was
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: the one who was in charge of Brigham Young University
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: when they were using electroshock therapy to try to convert
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: homosexual people to straight people. So he's got plenty of
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: stuff to talk about too. And the more we look
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: at it, the more that we see that, like Russell
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: and Nelson, is a really easy target. But in the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: end we're going to have decades and decades of things
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about because all the men in Mormon leadership
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: at this point have made these sort of compromises in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: their lives with their actions, which I think make it
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: really questionable, like what their motives are and what their
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: goals and what their real mission is. Right to me,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: it really appears that they're more a business that is deeply,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: deeply involved with the military distal complex than they are
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: anything to do with a religion, a Christian religion trying
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: to convert people to become disciples of Jesus Christ.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: And so that's sort of where I'll leave it. I'll
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: let you guys ask any other questions you want to.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: I have a common just a comment in terms of
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: COVID and Mormons as well as a rotary.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: I believe that I believe some of these.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: Clubs, whether it's lince Club, rotary club, secret societies, what
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: have you.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: I believe that they are.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: Somewhat tense to capture people, and that we look at
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: the high ranking level people and we think, oh, they're
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: in charge, but actually they are a first in line
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: to be the actual puppet on the strings. Because if
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: you look at it, and we won't get into it here,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: but if you look at the everything that went down
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: with polio and all the controversy with that and some
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: of the malpractices with that, and then you see who
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: is one of the largest donors to the Polio Vaccine
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: International It was a rotary club. It was near a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: million a billion dollars back in the early eighties. And
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: so you're like, that.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: Doesn't make any sense.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: And in terms of all that, then you see how
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: it played into whole COVID thing. They were I mean,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: they were gonna because they had done it with polio.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know the.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: Track record it tracks right, The track record is there
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: that they basically are given orders and they do as
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: they're told, and then the people instruct their people to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: follow suit.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, I mean, and I think like I said,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I work in data all day long, and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: so my job is to really identify patterns in data
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and then use those patterns to try to help people
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: make better decisions.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: And I could be wrong, and I could be right,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: but I think what you just outlined is very clearly
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: the pattern that they right, Like you know, like it's
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: it's the people in the military, it's the people in government,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: it's the people in the medical establishment, it's the people
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: in law. It's the people now we know in these churches.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: And that pattern that you just laid out, I think
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: is to me is very very clearly the pattern when
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: you look in the historical record, like we live in
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and most people don't make decisions based
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: on going back and looking at historical documents. They see
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: something on a Twitter feed and they have an emotional reaction,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: and they have a tribe that protects them and provides
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: for sort of their basic needs, and they're going to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: fight to the death to keep a roof over their
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: head and food on their table, and whatever positions of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: power influence and gain that they have. But when you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: stop and you and you don't let Twitter or Facebook
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: or whatever other maybe even YouTube shows dictate your decision making,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: and you take the time to go back and look,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the pattern that you laid.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: Out to me seems to be.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you can argue against
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: it from a logical and rational position personally, right, sadly?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Have you ever wondered if maybe it started to become
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: like an intelligent operation?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. Look, I mean, like, so my church has it.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: It's called the Strengthening the Church Member's Committee, and that
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: entire committee is strictly there to gather intelligence on people
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: who are problematic to the church's mission and goals, right
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: and so and like when you see that nineteen eighty
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: four document, and look, so let's just talk about the
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: name of that of the Special Affairs Committee. Okay, So
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: do you know who else has a special Affairs committee?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Scientology does?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Right? Do you know who else?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: If you go find a lexicon of like how they
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: use words, uses that word special in a very special way,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: it's the Central Intelligence Agency. So when you see the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: CIA using the word special over again, and then you
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: see it start showing up in churches. Again, Like, I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: don't have a document that says, Hi, my name is
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Joe Mormon, and we're going to spin up a committee
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: and we're going to call it Special Affairs committee, because
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: you guys call your stuff special affairs. But like, if
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: we can rub two brain cells together for a little bit,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I think we can probably draw the conclusion that when
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: you see special affairs, it probably has to do with
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: intelligence gathering. Yes, yes, right, yes, I really believe what
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: we're witnessing is the death of what I call cosplay
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Christianity and public relations religiosity, right, And it's not just Mormons.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's basically every major church that you could
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: name just got sucked into this thing. It was their times,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: and they got sucked into this idea that they could
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: pretend to be Christians and get up on Sundays and
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: give wonderful sermons that say all the right things, and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: then Monday through Saturday could go and meet with the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Director of National Affairs and plot about how to overthrow Russia,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: right communist Russia, and somehow they got it. They justify
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: that in their minds, and then like that document shows
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty four document shows there's a part of
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: them that realized that if people found out what they
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: were doing, there was going to be a problem, and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: so they had to spin up public relations arms, right
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: in order to fight and like make sure that they
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: correlated everything and were programming you with what they wanted
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: you to believe about what it is that they were doing.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: And so like in the Mormon Church, this is unbelievably clear.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked at it in others, but they have
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: correlation committees that got spun up, and they literally were
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: just whitewashing things out of history, right, like the nineteen
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: seventy seven Kimball Koshoge meeting for example. Right, But that's
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: all about and again, like the thing that's really concerning
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: is when you look at the CIA's mission, what were
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: they trying to do. They were trying to control the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: media arm in order to program you to tell you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: what it is that you ought to believe about whatever
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: it is that they felt was important, so that you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: would contribute to whatever cause they thought was important, which
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: for better or worse, Like I mean, clearly they were
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: just scared to death of communism, right, and probably rightfully so,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Like I don't want to live in a communistation personally,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Like that's just me, right, But like it doesn't justify
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: the behavior, It doesn't justify it just doesn't justify the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: means that they used to accomplish their purposes, especially when
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: you're at church, right right.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it seems like all these tenants, regardless of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: it's Christianity, is long Judaism, what have you. It's all
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: of them are competing factions with each other, almost like
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: if you were to look at the cartel factions in Mexico,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: how they're competing with each other and competing for almost
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: to be the next darling for the intelligence agency so
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: that they get picked as potentially the out competing religion
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: for the one world religion and that they get crowned
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: to be there and be there and to be.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: At the top.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: But if you if you even go back further, and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: I've kind of seen this better now that you've been
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: researching with Nick, is that all of it kind of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: stems from the Third Reich, and it stems from this
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: world religion type the outcompeting each other to be the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: darling of these offices of Special affairs.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: It would be really fascinating to drive that all the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: way back, wouldn't it, and just see like if there
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: is that route, right, And I mean like as a researcher,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: that's always the temptation is like where did this start? Right?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: But I think that's certainly like I mean, I know
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: these guys on Twitter, they're really pointing towards Racine and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: they point back to Nazi Germany, right, that's I mean,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: they said that that's.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: The whole thing there.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: Right now, I don't know a lot about that, and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: so but I mean I think it is. I'm like
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: this little small Mormonism part of it, but because it
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: is so small, the patterns are accentuated. And I'm wondering
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: if people take the same patterns that we observe in
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Mormonisms and just try to apply those patterns across other organizations,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: if they're going to find that it ties directly back
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: to what you're saying there. I think it's a beautiful point.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: I just want to edit this real quick, and this
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: is probably like a really good example for a lot
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: of times when I try to explain way I think
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Nazi could be occultism at Magic. You know how you
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: said before the special Affairs could be like a group
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: of people kind of making them I guess, making making
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: the Mormons believe that they're doing whatever they're doing even
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: though it's not true, Like that's even part of their job,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: is even like bullshitting them about like what they're there for.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: I would say that the same like the same shit
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: really with Nazi magic is that they're actually giving you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: a false reality that you're believe.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's this is a really it's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: a bit of a touchy situation our subject. But like
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: if you look at the Mormon temple, okay, like as
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: somebody who went through that situation without divulging what I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: think is probably like inappropriate for me to divulge. Here's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: what I'll say about a Mormon temple. It's a temperature controlled,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: dimly lit TV program that you're supposed to watch over
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: and over in which you are put into a position
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: of mild to moderate to for some people, really serious anxiety.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Like there was the whole thing that we didn't even
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: talk about today called the Pace Memo where the presiding
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Bishop of the Church was investigating satanism and ritual abuse,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: not Satanic ritual abuse, Satanism and ritual abuse inside the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: church on behalf of church leadership. And what was happening
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: is people were going to the temple and they were
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: having flashbacks about abuse that it occurred because in that temple,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: again you're in a dimly lit, temperature controlled it's a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: TV screen, you watch a movie over and over again,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: you're put into a state of anxiety, and then you're
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: asked to make promises to people, right, And so is
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: that what the Mormon Temple was intended to be or
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: is that what the Mormon temple became once the Mormon
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: leadership got deeply tied in with the military nestri complex
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: in groups like the CIA, who have been proven to
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: be shown like to try to control how you think
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: and feel by putting you in dimly lit, temperature controlled
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: rooms with TVs and making you watch things over and over,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: inducing a state of anxiety, and then asking me to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: make promises. Like it's I mean, it's not like apples
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: to oranges, right, Yeah, So that's I mean, that's really touchy,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: and I know, like that's going to upset a lot
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: of Mormon people. Like I just I mean, like, if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: you have a better argument, come with it. I bet
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: making Lisa we'll talk to you, right But like I
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: just when I look at it, and like and I
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: went to the temple a lot like I was, I
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: was a temple attending member for a long time, and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I personally just I never really I just it wasn't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: It wasn't really an enjoyable experience for me. There are
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: parts of it that I enjoyed, but like, overall, I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: didn't enjoy this sort of anxiety inducing, temperature controlled pummel
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: me with the same message over and over again and
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: then ask me to make promises about like what I'm
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: going to do with my time, talents, and energy. Right, Like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: it never felt quite right to me, and at least
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: for justin I think I understand why I didn't feel
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: quite right now. I don't think that's ever what it
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: was really intended to be. I think it's more a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: product of the reality of who these leaders are and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: who they've been working with than it is anything to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: do with Mormonism per se. But I could be wrong
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: about that too, who knows.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: It sounds like a perfect marriage between the Book of
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty four and Joseph Goebels.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know why, but that just kind of came
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: to mind.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen eighty four. I mean that's crazy. It's crazy
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: that that's CIA definitely is from nineteen eighty four, right,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I mean it's there's a lot of those things. I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: mean there's like that, that's where you put your tin
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: foil hat, like, like I like my tin foil hat, right,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Like so like I love putting my tin foil hat
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: on and like pointing those things out. But in the end, like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: it's about chronology, right, It's about things that happened in
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: time and space that we can validate and verify. And
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: but we know that these occult societies love their symbolism, right,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: like it that's not a secret, that's not the secret
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: part of secret societies. They're very proud of their sibil
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's a picture I would love to show you, guys.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have it pulled up, but there's a picture
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: in the in the newspaper, provided to this newspaper by
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah Scull and Bones Society. And it
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: is so chock full of symbolism that it would make
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: your head spin, right, And so they love that, and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: so like, I don't think there's anything wrong with like
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: it's a puzzle, right, and they think they're the elites
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: because they understand the puzzle. I don't think there's anything
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: wrong with trying to like solve the puzzle ourselves, right,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: and to figure out what they're up to. You know,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to say something about what Lisa said
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: earlier too. You have to remember Joseph Smith wanted to
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: run for not wanted to. Joseph Smith ran for President
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: of the United States of America. So when we talk
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: about these competing cartels, I think that's a really beautiful analogy.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: And it's as I've talked to lawyers who are involved
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: with like LDS whistleblowers and abuse cases, that's sort of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: how they talk about it is, Look, you just have
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: to look at it. It's like they have common purpose,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: but they also have competing interests and so what you'll
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: see is just like in the mob, like if you
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: stay on your territory, everything's going to be okay, but
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: if you step over the line, there's going to be
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: a war. And that's actually like the way that I
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: look at that Paper Dolls book is that if you
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: look at the families that were involved at it was
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: a Mormon aristocracy family that had children that were abused,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: and he was a Skull and Bones member, and when
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: he went to go get help, what he found out
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: was that he was up against an even more powerful
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: part of that Skull and Bones group named Russell, Mary
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: and Nelson. And so he was expecting to get help,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: I think, and instead he got squashed. It just ended
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: up in a situation where it really was people with
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: common interest but competing interests because of the abuse that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: took place, and there was sort of this family warfare
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: going on in Bountiful, Utah. Right, So I think it's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's really a great analogy.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: One thing I did want to ask not to kind
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: of like get off topic, but it's just just a
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: question that I ask, have you ever noticed anything with
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: like Mormonism and being big with like the Boy Scouts.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: Oh jeez, so it's going to be.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: For a totally different reason why you think I'm asking?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, yeah, so I mean so boy Scouts, Yes,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: So more like Mormons and Boy Scouts are like peanut
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: butter and jelly, right, Like Mormons really funded the Boy Scouts,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: like it's like and when they pulled out of that organization.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: That's when you saw the Boy Scouts go bankrupt.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: And so in addition to that, because I'm in the
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: abuse space, I mean, the Mormon Church has over two
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: thousand cases known cases of abuse in that organization, right,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: that's just the ones that we know about right now.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: I debated a guy that wanted to pretend, not pretend,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: he wanted to argue that, you know that Mormon Boy
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Scout troops were six times safer than any other Boy.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Scout troop out there.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: But when you go and look at the data that
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: he was using, what you find out is that an
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: entire decade of documents, which just happens to be the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, disappeared from those Boy Scout files at the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: time that the church was deeply, deeply, deeply entrenched in
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: the leadership of.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: Boy Scouts of America.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, so I mean I'm interested to know
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: like sort of where you're taking it. But yeah, I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: mean the Mormon Church like they were wagging, they were
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: the tail wagging the Boy Scout dog. So let me
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: give you an example of that. So, the Boy Scouts
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: of America had a video on sexual abuse that every
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: troop had to watch every year in order to protect
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: the boys and make sure that they knew how to
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: take like how to fight back, right, I can't remember
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: what it was like three p's or three hours. I
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: think it was three hours report resist something else. So
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: every Boy Scout troop had to watch that, except for
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: the Mormon troops because when they brought that video to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: the Mormon troops, the Mormon said, no, no, this has
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: to do with sex. And because we're a religion, we
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: teach our children about these matters and we're not going
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: to watch your video on sexual abuse. And so they
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: had their own training that they did, which I was
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: a boy scout in the Church. I can tell you
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: I never had any training about how to resist predator
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: when I was a boy scout in the Church of
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ about day thinks ever.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: You know. But that's I mean.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: They were so powerful that they were able to sort
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: of wag the dog when they wanted to in terms
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: of like running those troops the way that they wanted to.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: So Major Major and like Thomases Monson, which was another
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Mormon profit, you can find a really kind of scaryish
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: video on YouTube where they did a big scouting event
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: at the Tabernacle there or the event center. I can't
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: remember what it's called now, the convention center, not convention Center.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: It used to be the Tabernacle, and then they built
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: a big one across the street from it, and I
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: can't remember what it's called right now, but they they
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: did a big scouting thing where they give Thomas S.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: Monson a one of their Silver.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Beaver Awards or whatever it is, right like run the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: biggest awards in Scotty Well I and look like you
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: watch that video, it's it's a little bit frightening.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: And and so then what.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I saw just last week is somebody on Twitter put
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: up this scene about like how Rockefeller was supposedly funding
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Boy Scout of America in order to get boys used
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: to taking orders. And I don't know whether that's true
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: or not, right I haven't had time to dig on that,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: but certainly, when you want to tie it back to
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: sort of that Third Reich idea, like the closest thing
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: in America that you have to sort of that organizational
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: structure is Boy Scouts of America, Right where you put
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of boys in a troop and you put
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: an authority figure over them, and you tell them like
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: you have to do exactly what we say whenever we
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: say it, right. So I don't know if that's sort
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: of where you're headed with that.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: I had two reasons why. One of them was going
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: to be because of the connection to the Brown Shirts,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: which is basically what you're getting into now. So I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: do find that interesting. But when I was when I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: was covering, when I was covering the Smiley Phased killers,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: and I ended up going down like that Rotary Lines
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: club and looking at the looking at like the police
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: department people, I ended up I ended up at a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: h I think it was. Yeah, it was a Boy
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Scouts where like somebody from one of those things was
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: like linked as a there were linked like on the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: business as like an associate, and there was like sixty
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: associates or something like that was crazy. There was a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: ridiculous amount of people attached to this one Boy Scouts
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: out and damnit was that out in what'stin?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it was And it was like really
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: weird because like most of them were yeah, that's right.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: It was all It was a lot of energy people
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: and you had a lot you had a lot of
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: that out and out there.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: You had it was tons of energy people and then you.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Got like like lawyers and then judges, a few judges,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: but it was like a huge a huge amount of
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: energy people. But like the whole thing is is like
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: now thinking about like how the Rotary Club was like
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: thrown in this mix, I'm like, I never thought of
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: looking for Mormons, So like I'm wondering, like, was I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: looking at Mormons on that list when I was looking at.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: This, Yeah, like mos.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: One thing Mormons are great at is keeping records, right,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: So like you're looking for Mormons, like it's like finding
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: those ties really aren't that difficult because they do. They
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: keep incredible records, right, and so it's not too hard
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: to type pieces together. Like it'd be really interesting to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: go back and take a look because I mean so definitely,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: I mean Rotary.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: The little bit that I know about Rotary that just
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: it really fascinates me.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: So I was I was doing just sort of my
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: shallow dig right where I go to newspapers dot Com
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: and I just type in Rotary International, I choose Salt
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Lake City, and I just read everything I can for
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: a night. And one of the things that fascinates me
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: about Rotary is this idea that it's going to They're
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: going to take one person from each area of business
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: in their community, and they're going to form a club,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: and they're going to agree to do business with each other,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: right at the exclusion of everybody else in the city.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Like when I read that, I just it really boggles
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: my mind that in America, where we call ourselves a
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: capitalist society, where we believe in free markets and the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: ability of people to do business with everybody, why you
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: would be forming secret clubs, not really secret, but clubs
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: of people where you're going to limit the number of
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: people that you're going to do business with to consolidate wealth,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: to consolidate influence. And then also look, the smaller, the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: less people who know what's going on with you, the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: better the chance you have of palling it off. Right,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: So if you're if you're the steel guy in Utah
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: or let's use let's use Nelson. Nelson was an advertising
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: guy who employed all kinds of nasty people, right, we're
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: finding so, but he was an advertising and he became
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: president of Rotary International in nineteen forty three nineteen forty
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: four as the war was coming on. What do you
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: think that the government needed Rotary International to do to
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: the population in nineteen forty three and forty four. They
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: needed them to be advertising to get people excited about
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: sending their kids off to get mode down across the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: pond in war.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: Right, So, like.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: When you have a society like that, like I mean
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: and look again, like I love the symbolism of rotary,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Like the gear that's beautiful, Like what is a rotor?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: It powers everything? And then you hook up one to
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: another gear, and another gear and another gear, and all
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, all the gears are turning together. And
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: if you think of rotary in that framework, like in Utah,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: it didn't take ten years to have thirty forty whatever.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: It was rotary clubs all over that state, all working
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: towards a single goal and doing business with each other,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: consolidating wealth, consolidating power, consolidating influence.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Right, do you ever wonder if some of those are
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: just shell companies?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Oh? Sure?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean again, Like let's go back to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: the Watergate, right, Like we know that that Mollin advertising
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: agency that Bennett had bought was that was a CIA cutout, right,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, no, I'm a thousand percent sure of that.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, one of the I mean, we're getting a
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: little bit sort of deeper into it.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: But like if you look.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: At Maricopa County in Arizona, right, and the Mormon influence there,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: that all started with insurance, the insurance industry, right, and
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: there were six or seven, I can't remember, really prominent
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: insurance executives that were all Mormon who then took their
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: experience and farmed out into the major insurance companies across
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: the nation in the world, right, And so like, yeah,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: I have zero Well, I mean, like, look, the Mormon
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Church has been caught with their pants down on the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: ensign peak scandal. I don't know if you guys know
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: about that, but where they you know, we're having people,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: you know, sign the back page of a SEC document
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: without ever seeing the numbers that were attached to it.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: You know, they were using shell companies in that sort
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: of in that scandal, which was illegal, right, The SEC
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: file they law suit against them, which was settled.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: All of my Mormon friends will say, oh, it wasn't
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: even illegal what they were doing. Well, yes, it was illegal.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: They were setting up shell companies using the names of
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: people that were normal names that nobody would look into.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: That weren't attached to the church, and then they were
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: having those people signed documents without ever looking at those
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: documents and just put their signature on them. So like,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: is the church involved in all kinds of financial stuff? Yeah,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: And the key person there, I'll tell you right now
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: is M Russell Ballard, who just died like a couple
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: of years ago and then the So like we're getting
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: like a lot deeper this.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: But like the thing about M.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Russell Ballard is that he was the primary point of
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: contact for Gordon Bowen, right, the sexual abuser, Gordon Bowen,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: the alleged sexual abuser, Gordon Bowen. And he was also
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: appears to be well, not appears to be. We know
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: that he was interacting with Tim Ballard, right, So M.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Russell Ballard was the one giving special priesthood blessings to
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Tim Ballard allegedly, right. And I have sort of a
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: weird theory about this that I don't know that other
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: people share it with me, But I actually think that M.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Russell Ballard was sent to gatekeeper Tim Ballard because if
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Tim Ballard was allowed to do what he was doing
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: in Utah, it was going to lead straight to Gordon
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Bowen and M. Russell Ballard in the church office building, right,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: And so I think they actually sent the special affairs
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: group that sent him to corral Tim and say, Hey,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: what if we gave you money to go to Haiti?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: What if we gave you money to go to mast Lawn? Hey,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: what if we gave you some ketmine treatments? What if
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: we gave you And I think Tim got himself upside
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: down personally, And I mean that's there's a lot of
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: speculation there, Like I'm more than happy to address like
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: or not addressed, but I'm more than happy to acknowledge that.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: But like when I just look at sort of the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: overall patterns and then I see what happened to Tim Ballard.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: And I've reached out to Tim multiple times through intermediaries
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: and directly and said, Tim, if you'll just tell the
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: truth about what M. Russell Ballard was doing with you,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I bet people would have a lot more sympathy for
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: what happened there, because I think you just got turned
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: upside down by a guy who couldn't let you do
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: what you wanted to do in your home state because
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: it was going to lead straight to his front doorstep.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: Because M. Russell Ballard.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Guess where he lived in Utah in the nineteen fifties
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: and nineteen sixties when that abuse was going on. Mount Olympus,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Utah is where Ballard lived, right, Yeah. So, like I said,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's all, and like I could spend
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: days and days drawing connections. For you guys, it's a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: small enough world that once you sort of identify the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: family names and start just kind of keeping your eyes open. Yeah,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: you know, you sort of see it's all tied together.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: I agree with that.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: It's a wild spiral worn.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So really it's I mean,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: it's been interesting. I started out to try to help
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: individuals who had been abused and we're having trouble with
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: the church, and I ended up finding CIA documents and
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: ties to Rotary International and so on. It's like it's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: been a whild eighteen months, right, Like, not at all
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: what I intended to do at all. I wanted to
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: write a little booklet to help people that had been
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: abused in the church and we're having troubles dealing with
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: the church. Because I was a ward clerk, so I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: knew all the policies and procedures of the church. And
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell people this is how it
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: should go, and this is what you're going to confront
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: when you go to try to get help. And all
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, I found myself in this like really
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: weird world of CIA and Rotary International and child sex
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: abuse and Satanism and like all kinds of stuff that
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't intend to ever really be talking about.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: It's a really weird connection.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the other connection that and it's just
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: me personally that you always see and I know I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: said this already, but you always see a strong Mormon
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: what do you call it when they go out to
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: these countries, yes, thank you and you. And when you
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: look up Rotary International, you see a lot of you know,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: black and brown babies. And that's the same thing with
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: you know, the whole some.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Of these the adoptions, the adoption when they.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 6: Do some of these what did you call it?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Missions?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: And you see this this this almost obsession. And I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: don't know if it's more of a picture thing, like
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: an advertisement, but I see it because I'm Hispanic. You
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: see it continuously. You see it with Mormonism, you see
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: it with missionaries, you see it with cults, you see
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: it with with the four of the u N and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: it's this obsession of concentrating their efforts with black and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: brown people.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: It's very very odd to me.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well so, I mean like in the church, they
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: had the Indian Placement program. I don't know if you
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: guys ever heard about that, right, but a lot of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: abuse happened inside of that. Well I shouldn't say that,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: like as I shouldn't say that declaratively. We are beginning
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: to learn about the scope and nature of the abuse
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: that happened inside of the Indian Placement program. And it
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: was it's sort of that impulse to what civilized I
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: guess it's like how they viewed it, right, and in
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: the church's place christianize, right, this entire group of people
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: that they thought they knew the history of right, which
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: is really sort of a funny, fascinating story because now
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: there's like Indian chiefs who are coming out on YouTube
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: and saying, look, we have our records. Don't tell us
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: what our records say, Like you don't know who we are,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: you don't know where we came from, right.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: Like we like we've kept our records.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I mean, it's it is an interesting impulse, right,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: sort of like that manifest destiny you know, slash colonization
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: slash you know, civilizing the whatever you want to call it,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: right that we all learned brilliant in high school, right right, right?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely definitely a strange impulse. But I mean,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: obviously I think I mean, in twenty twenty four, that's
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: not fine anymore.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Is it. I don't know, I think people have had
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: it coming.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: Here, right, Yeah, So this is definitely a topic that
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: piqued my interest in something I'm sure I'll actually look
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: into myself as well.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: This is really interesting, Thank.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: You, absolutely, yeah, I mean, any questions you guys have,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: feel free to reach out. I'm happy to provide documents,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: and like, I work with a ton of people at
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: this point, and just what I'm really here to do
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: is just help people put things in time in space, right,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: And once we put things in time and space, we
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: don't have to argue as much because things get pretty
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: clear pretty fast.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: Another thing, have you ever noticed the Lion party the
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Lions Club at all?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: So it's really interesting because I've heard you guys mention
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: it multiple times and I have an email that came
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: in last week that said, don't just get stuck on
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: rotary look into lions looking at this guy gave me
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: a list of five or six of these sort of
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: social clubs, right, And I mean I think just overall,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I think all of these.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: Anytime that you go to.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: A place where you're going to pay money, right and
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: you're going to make some kind of a promise to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: some group of people to exclude others, you're probably looking
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: at something that is going to lead to some bad
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: outcomes eventually, right, Like I just don't really see the point, right,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: Like why what's the point of that?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: And so like I think, well, especially when you get
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: into these places where the surface mission like where there's
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: like an underlying current of what they're actually doing versus
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: what it is that they're saying. Which again, like I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: just love saying this. I'm going to say like a
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: million times before I'm dead. But like anybody can say anything, right,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: but action reveals intent. So like when we stop paying
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: attention to like what Rotary club says that they're doing,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: and we just look in the newspaper and we look
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: at what they're actually doing, or we stop looking at
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: General Conference in the Mormon church and what they say
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: that they're doing, and we look at what.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: They've actually done.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: Man, Like, my life got so much easier when I
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: just stopped listening to what people were like. Well, not,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: you don't stop listening. You listen very carefully, and then
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: you go and you try to validate or falsify what
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: they're saying. Right, And it's okay to take a position
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't matter whether you're trying to verify falsify,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Like if you have integrity and you do the dig, like,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: you're gonna come out one way or the other, verifying
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: and falsifying what you were told. The problem is people
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: just like they'll take whatever is said to them and
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: they'll just take it as gospel truth without ever even
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: engaging this part of them.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Very well said, uh, you know, and and to be honest,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: that was a really well put together presentation. I was
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: not expecting something that I guess professional.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate them.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah have you have you have you been on any
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: other show? Have you gone on podcasts before?
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: A couple others, But it's a this is by far
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: the most calm I've ever been. Congratulations guys in my cage.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: So I I did a debate with a guy named
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: Jacob Hanson who's a member of the church.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: You can find that on YouTube.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: Uh and I that was a debate on whether or
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: not the church protects abusers. And I got pretty worked
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: up in that debate. And then I was also on
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: with a Catholic guy on Twitter that invited me as
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: I was in the process of getting excommunicated, he invited
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: me to come on and talk, and so I did
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: two shows with him, also pretty worked up. Like this
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: is as much for my as it is for anybody else's. Right,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: it's there's a lot of selfishness in what I do.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie about.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: The Oh, I get that, that's for sure. You know.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: I like to cover things that interest me. I mean,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I guess that's selfish rain.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: But yeah, absolutely.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: But again, thank you. I mean, like I said, that
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: was well, like at least actually said thorough. I think
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: you said, yeah, it was very thorough. I was very impressed.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: You know, you brought like receipts, you know, visuals. I
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: appreciate that.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, absolutely, there's a pleasure.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, and let everybody,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: let everybody know where they can find your what was
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: it your blog or whatever, and I'll put the links
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: for that the show from when it comes out too.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super easy to find. So it's just ldsabuse dot info.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: And I mean like as a as a human being,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: I'm easy to find, Like if anybody wants to talk, Like,
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  Speaker 2: my phone number is on my website right and my
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  Speaker 2: email address is justin dot Riggs at LDS abuse dot info.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm happy to take documents from anybody. I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to talk to anybody who struggled with abuse of any kind.
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  Speaker 2: I do focus on LDS, but if anybody wants to talk,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: they're free to reach out. And yeah, I always say
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter I'm easy to find, so for and you know,
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  Speaker 2: let me just say this, this is the fun part
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  Speaker 2: for me. For those people who run the Church of
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ and the latterday Saints who refuse to talk
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  Speaker 2: to me, I am easy to find. Reach out and
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  Speaker 2: let's chat about this and see what we can do
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: to let the world like understand what happened here. So,
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  Speaker 2: but anybody who wants to talk to me can find me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really easy to find.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, thank you very much. Yeah again, I really, I
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  Speaker 3: really do appreciate that. Yeah, actually you went into a
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: lot more than I even expected you to.
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  Speaker 2: So and one other thing is there's probably hours and
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  Speaker 2: hours more we could talk about, and that's what's really
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: And even this stuff you sent me earlier, that was
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: your site, right, Those those a couple of things you
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: were sending me early in Twitter.
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  Speaker 4: I honestly don't remember, but probably I think it.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Was yours, And that was pretty interesting stuff. So, like
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  Speaker 3: I definitely suggest we got.
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  Speaker 4: A check documents.
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  Speaker 2: Right, We've got a whole library of court documents of
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: abuse cases. We've got a whole library. Just stay away
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  Speaker 2: from the blog because that's me just ranting and raving
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: like a crazy man.
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  Speaker 4: So just stay away from the blog. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You sent me some stuff and I was like, wow,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: this is pretty pretty interesting read right here. So yeah,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: his link is in the bottom. And thank you again
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: last time, And Lisa, thank you very much for jumping
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  Speaker 3: on yes and asking questions, asking questions when I had
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  Speaker 3: none to ask, because, like I said, to be honest
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: with you, this is all very new for me.
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  Speaker 4: You know, So we'll reach out again.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, please, Yeah, I definitely if I saw it, Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'm probably gonna look into this. Any new
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: stuff I find, man, that's of interest, I'll definitely tale
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: your way, so I'm sure you'll be hearing from me.
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  Speaker 3: And uh and if you ever, if you ever come
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: into any new stuff that you want to share, you'll
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: always welcome back on So just reach out, so same
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: for you moment and of course, and that is the
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  Speaker 3: end of another Occult Rejects and until the next one,
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  Speaker 3: everybody be well later