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SMNTY Classics: The Last of Us Special, Episode 3 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've never told your protection. iHeart radio, and we are
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: back with another classic from our Last of Us Watch
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: recap series mini series that we did when the show
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: was premiering. This episode was the big one where I
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: cried a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It won some Emmy's. Nick Offerman won an Emmy.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say I've gotten multiple gifts based on
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: this episode specifically, But man, I was crying, true I
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  Speaker 1: got I think. The next day we had to record
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  Speaker 1: with Bridget and I was my face was so swollen
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: because I've been crying so hard. I'm bridge It was like,
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: what's happened here?
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Are you okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: This was a really good I mean, it's a great episode.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good example of like, because you and
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: I were talking about this recently, there are some choices.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see what they do in the
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  Speaker 1: second season. And I was saying, like, I'm generally not
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  Speaker 1: someone it has to be exactly like it was in
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  Speaker 1: the game or the book or whatever. But if the
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  Speaker 1: heart of it is there, if the core of it
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  Speaker 1: is there, that's what I like. But if you change that,
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  Speaker 1: that's when I get mad. So that the case of
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  Speaker 1: Bill and Frank in this episode, that's it's a blip
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  Speaker 1: in the game. But it was such a lovely expansion
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  Speaker 1: of this world and what it looks like, and so
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  Speaker 1: that was something that I was like, Yeah, that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the game, but I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we did do it. We were all I think
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  Speaker 4: everybody loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew.
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  Speaker 1: I remember before it came out, they were like, episode
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  Speaker 1: three is gonna make you cry.
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  Speaker 2: So I went in nervous and they were correct. Correct.
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  Speaker 4: I still have that video. I think it's on our TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I think, well, I cried it way, I cried it
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  Speaker 2: like everyone she did.
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  Speaker 4: But that was the only one I've recorded.
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  Speaker 2: You I feel like you recorded the finale.
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: Yes I did.
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  Speaker 1: I was crying and that one too as well. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if we're going to bring back all these classics.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll save some for the whenever then it comes back,
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  Speaker 1: the second season comes back, but we might bring back
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  Speaker 1: some more. I don't know, but this is a good
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  Speaker 1: one either way. Yes to like put a put a
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  Speaker 1: pin in it for now, So please enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, I'm come to stuff
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  Speaker 2: I've never told you.
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  Speaker 3: Production of iHeart Radio and Welcome to are very very.
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  Speaker 1: Special, not sponsored by HBO or the Last of Us,
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  Speaker 1: the Last of Us mini series.
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  Speaker 2: It is something that I am enjoying so much.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling Samantha the other day, It's like, I
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: don't even think of it as work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I can't wait to do this.
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  Speaker 4: You get so excited.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 1: As we said, this is going to replace my happy hours.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: We're going to do one kind of an after show
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  Speaker 1: review a week after the current episode of the Last
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: of Us TV show, which is yes on HBO Max.
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  Speaker 1: So you have a week, you have a week before
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  Speaker 1: it comes out, but we will be spoiling the first
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  Speaker 1: three episodes. And I'm going to say, because I sent
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  Speaker 1: you that I've been sending you just random headlines about
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: the Last of Us, I read that the purchases of
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: the first game is up three hundred percent. I will say,
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: if you don't want to be spoiled in the game,
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: this is the biggest divergence from the game, and we
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  Speaker 1: are going to talk about what happens in the game
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  Speaker 1: and why it's different. So that's about the five to
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  Speaker 1: seven hour mark in the game. Yes, today we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about episode three, which was the one I was
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  Speaker 1: so so excited about a long long time. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it's called so Good. But yeah, this is a March nineteenth.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the last one. It's a temporary thing,
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  Speaker 1: but it is very much enjoyed and thank you for
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  Speaker 1: coming on this journey and letting me do it.
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  Speaker 4: So Anie, I do have to burst your bubble in that.
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  Speaker 4: I know that we were really saying that you should
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: have been the one to do the HBO podcast, But
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  Speaker 4: did you know it was actually the voice of Joel
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  Speaker 4: that hosts the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I have been informed of y.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, so although you are close second, thank you. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I don't I don't want you to get upset
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  Speaker 4: with me, but yeah, it makes sense that he would
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  Speaker 4: be the one to host the podcast with the creators
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  Speaker 4: Neil and I'm calling them Neil and Craig like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have talked about this before where if
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  Speaker 1: I was a voice actor in the game, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna lie. I would be I don't know it hurt.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be sad that I wasn't like in the show,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes it makes sense and sometimes but we get
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  Speaker 1: like Marlene, it's the same voice actor.
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  Speaker 2: Which is very very cool, and the clickers, so that
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  Speaker 2: is awesome. But I guess I'll let Troy Baker.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't. Well, like I was like, oh that
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  Speaker 4: makes okay, Well, okay, that makes sense. I'm sorry. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sorry to you, but yes, but again you are a
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  Speaker 4: close second.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, Peter Whore is the director of this episode
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  Speaker 4: a long long time and Linda Ronstat's music apparently is
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  Speaker 4: going up right now. My partner has been listening to
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  Speaker 4: depeche Mode though, so that is also a throwout to that.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, let's do a recap.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready for it?
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  Speaker 4: Annie? You're gonna cry? Yeah. Actually, before we do the recap,
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  Speaker 4: let me do this warning.
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  Speaker 2: This is rated.
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  Speaker 4: AE because Annie, it's going to be emotional. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be a lot of emotions here from Annie,
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  Speaker 4: so just send me too, but more so you. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so go ahead and get that rating as well as
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  Speaker 4: I need to take a big deep breath with me. Annie. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're there, Okay, let's begin.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it here.
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  Speaker 4: We have just lost Test. In episode two, the both
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  Speaker 4: Ellie and Joel are trying to regroup, eating a little food.
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  Speaker 4: Her first speech to him kind of is, look, you
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  Speaker 4: made a choice. You and Test knew the dangers. No
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  Speaker 4: one forced you. You wanted the battery, and this is
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  Speaker 4: what it took, so please stop blaming me. So she
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  Speaker 4: kind of just go ahead and says that. He's very quiet,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't say much. So they travel because they are supposed
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  Speaker 4: to get too bills. That was the instructions from Tests.
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  Speaker 4: As we are traveling, we come up on mini sites,
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  Speaker 4: a crash plane, the bodies of people who were murdered
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  Speaker 4: because there was not enough room for them at the QZ.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of conversation happening in between this,
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  Speaker 4: so she's getting a lot of detail from things, including
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  Speaker 4: how it first began. So we do get that the
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  Speaker 4: rice and flower possibly it spread and then they started biting.
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  Speaker 4: So we get all of that information and then we
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  Speaker 4: have a flashback. We love a good flashback. In this flashback,
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  Speaker 4: we see the clothing of two murdered victims and they're
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  Speaker 4: alive and well as a mom and a baby who
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  Speaker 4: were being driven off from a neighborhood. What is it Bedford, Bedford,
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  Speaker 4: bedd or something, Yeah, Bedford, in which they are being transported.
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  Speaker 4: Next thing we see is Nick Offerman, who was playing
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  Speaker 4: Bill all I guess in his bunker with his gun
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  Speaker 4: ready to go because he was not gonna be taken.
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  Speaker 4: What was his line?
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  Speaker 2: Not today New World Order Jack boots.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, that's the line. And here we see
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  Speaker 4: Daddy nick Goferman. I did call him daddy because it's
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  Speaker 4: like I was like a look what oh, yes, we
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  Speaker 4: see Daddy nick Offerman slash Bill hiding in his bunker.
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  Speaker 4: After everybody leaves, he comes out gleefully, y'all gleefully. And
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  Speaker 4: also there was a lot of wine. I still understand
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  Speaker 4: why they didn't take the wine. There's so much wine there.
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  Speaker 4: But I digress, and he Leefley, goes in, gets his truck,
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  Speaker 4: puts his boat on his truck to show, takes out
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  Speaker 4: the seats, goes to the hardware stores, go to the
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  Speaker 4: drug stores, go to all the places, and loads up.
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  Speaker 4: He then puts a trap so that people can't come
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  Speaker 4: get him, and none of the clickers and zombies can
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  Speaker 4: come get him. As in fact, in one of the
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  Speaker 4: scenes we see a clicker trying to get close and
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  Speaker 4: he gets shot in the head.
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  Speaker 1: Boots like Bill's enjoying a fancy meal and wine.
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  Speaker 4: With his giant generator that he has surveillance for everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: He is enjoying his good meal, enjoying his wine, having
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  Speaker 4: a final time. Oh no, something comes into a trap
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  Speaker 4: and he comes out. I was like, oh god, what
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  Speaker 4: am I going to do? And he points a gun.
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  Speaker 4: He yells and here's this person in a ditch, essentially
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  Speaker 4: his little trap. After verifying that he wasn't infected, he
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  Speaker 4: helps them out. Of course, he's like, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: need to move on your way and that dude like, look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm really hungry. I haven't eaten in two days. I'm Frank,
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  Speaker 4: please give me the food. And he's like, dude, this
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  Speaker 4: is not Narby's. You can't get free food.
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  Speaker 2: The response was.
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  Speaker 4: You had to pay at Arby's obviously, hahaha, joke, joke, joke.
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  Speaker 4: Then he kind of like, you know what, Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you can come in. We can do things, dude. The
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  Speaker 4: stranger Frank takes a shower, very long shower, which I
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  Speaker 4: would too, to be honest, comes out dressed and he's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know if you had a meal. Okay, we'll get
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  Speaker 4: you a meal. Oh and between all this, of course
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  Speaker 4: Bill gets some some extra clothes, super nice, super nice.
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  Speaker 4: And they have a meal, a lovely meal with bojolet wine,
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  Speaker 4: which that brand's gonna skyrocket, I bet, as well as
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  Speaker 4: cooked rabbit. Correct is it?
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  Speaker 2: Rabbit?
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  Speaker 4: Delicious? Meal has the best meal. Frank is hesitating charge.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, you know, I go, but let me look.
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  Speaker 4: You've got a piano, let me go. Play on your piano.
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  Speaker 4: Plays the Linda Ronstadt song badly. Yes, And then of
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: course Bill comes and shows them up a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: does the thing. And the question is what girl were
• 11:09
  Speaker 4: you thinking of? And he says there's no girl, and
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: Frank says, I know. Kiss magic happens. And then they're like,
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: let's go, Sayers take you off your clothes. Literally, he
• 11:21
  Speaker 4: says that to him. And then the question is you know,
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: have you ever been and he's like, no, only a
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: girl a long time ago. And he's like, I'll take
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: care of you. Other favorite line is you know I'm
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: not a whore. I don't sleep with every man that
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: makes me lunch, not even a good lunch, not even
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: a good lunch. So you know, there's that. We move on.
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  Speaker 4: They are a beautiful couple. There's a lot of ups
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: and sounds. We see them coming together. He's like, I
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: need more people, I need company. I need to make
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  Speaker 4: this a happy place. I'm going to go fix this
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: this and the boutique and you need to let me.
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  Speaker 4: And he was like, and also, we're gonna have company.
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  Speaker 4: And he's like what. He's like, I've been talking to
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  Speaker 4: a little He's like, what on the radio? And exactly,
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  Speaker 4: And we have Tests and Joel coming in. They're having
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  Speaker 4: a lovely alfresco dinner or lunch. As they are sitting there.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Bill is pointing a gun at Joel the
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: entire time, rightly so wild tests and Frank a gallivant
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  Speaker 4: off to show the house.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: Do do do?
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  Speaker 4: After that, they become a fixture in their lives. They're
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna put quote friends. Frank's their friend. Bill's just
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  Speaker 4: there and so is Joel. Essentially, but they do have
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: a deal going on where they do trade back and
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: forth and all these things moving on. We see and
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: Joel warns them. So this was one of those moments
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: that the director and the writers tricked us again. This
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: is gonna be the end, right, because Joel warns there
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: there's raiders coming through. You're gonna need protection. We can
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  Speaker 4: help you all these things, and Bill's like, I got
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: this all of a sudden. Next thing we know, we
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: hear fire and gunshots and all these things, and there
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  Speaker 4: are raiders coming through, and Nick Governman's in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the street, not behind anything, just shooting away, shooting away.
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  Speaker 4: Brake comes down to assist with a gun. I think
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: he kind of distracts Bill. Bill gets shot, and then
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  Speaker 4: we're watching all the other ones getting burned up and
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: fired up and all those and blown up because all
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: of the rigs. And then Frank carries Bill in. Bill
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  Speaker 4: tells him all these dying things, you need to take
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  Speaker 4: care of this. They just take care of this. And
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  Speaker 4: then we see Frank He's got I got you. I'm
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  Speaker 4: taking care of you. Thinking he's a part of the
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: medical field because he seems to know a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: And then we flash forward to someone in a wheelchair.
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  Speaker 4: My automatic exumption was Bill, but it isn't. It's Frank.
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  Speaker 4: Frank's in a wheelchair. It is twenty years later, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: So it starts out two thousand and three is when
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: we have the first him hiding in the bunker. Two
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: thousand and seven is when Frank shows up. We're back
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: now to that twenty twenty three and Frank's in a wheelchair.
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  Speaker 4: We find out Frank's sick. He needs a lot of help.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't feel good, but Bill is taking care of him,
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  Speaker 4: are doing such great things. He puts him to bed.
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  Speaker 4: They wake up the next day and Frank is sitting
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  Speaker 4: in the wheelchair and Bill's like, what did you do?
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  Speaker 4: It's going to help you, and Frank says, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it took me all night to do this, but I
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  Speaker 4: got here. And then he says today is my last day.
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  Speaker 4: And they he comes up with a whole whole plan
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  Speaker 4: about how he's suffering. There's nothing they can do. There's
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  Speaker 4: no doctors. Even though Bill's like, wait, maybe we can
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: find one. All these things, He's like, no, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've had a lot of good days. I've had a
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: lot of bad days, and they were with you, but
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: I've had a lot more good days. And I would
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: like this to be a good day. Ay s you're
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: about to cry. I'd like to see a good day.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: And he rattles off all the things that would be
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  Speaker 4: a good day, including him them dressing up, them getting married,
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: and them having a final dinner with him crushing up
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: all the pills in the wine so that Frank could
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: take it where he can go and die in Bill's
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: arms for the last time. So all these things. Oh
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: forgot the strawberry part because this is like, we need
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: that strawberry part. During the middle of before all this,
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Joel trades things with trades for a gun, apparently a
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: small gun, so it says Franks for seeds for strawberries,
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  Speaker 4: and we have the cutest giggling moment, which was very
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Ron Swanson, like I will say, but it was very
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: cute of them enjoying something they hadn't had in so
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: long that they grew. It was a beautiful scene.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Scene has become a meme for many people. I feel like,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: and this is sadness and happiness all at the same time.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: And then we're back to them doing the marriage, looking
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: handsome together, eating the last meal which was as the
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  Speaker 4: same as the first meal, with the same wine, beautifully done,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: and he crushes up this amount of pills dumps it
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: into Frank's wine. Frank gulps it down. Frank looks at Bill.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Bill gulps his wine down, which clicks, oh, you already
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: put some pills in the street, and he's like how much?
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: He said enough to kill a horse, and he's like,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be here without you. I've lived
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  Speaker 4: my best days with you.
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  Speaker 2: This is enough.
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  Speaker 4: So the next thing we know, they go off to bed.
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  Speaker 4: In scene next week come back to seeing Joel and
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Ellie arrive at the fence. He knows something wrong because
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: there's nothing going off, so he goes gets the code,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: goes in and they can't find them. He goes to
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: the door to open it, but it's stuck. And then
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Ellie finds the note, a note in which is so
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: if Bill talking about how I don't like you, but
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I know you. Who finds this because anybody else would
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: have been blown up? Ellie reading that part is my
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: favorite thing. And then he also gets instructions to take
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: care of the ones he loves, take care of tests,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: which is nice to the heart. Yeah, and then at
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: the end he's like, hey, we're in the bedroom. I
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: left the window open, don't come in, leave us alone.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Take whatever you need. Good luck essentially, and yeah, so
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: they go through get things, get a shower. For the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: first time. Here we see Ellie's signature shirt from the
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: video game, and we see Joel wearing the shirt that
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: was given to Frank the first day he was there. Yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: and then they take the car, they get the battery,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: and they move on their way.
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  Speaker 2: With Linda Ronstatt playing with Linda.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Ronstat playing in the back in the truck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So Joel has decided like, after I've he read the letter,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my brother Tommy.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You stork with the fireflies, I will take you with me.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Ellie, I will take you with me, because they're trying
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to get her to the fireflies, and uh, I think
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: reading that letter, he was like, Okay, yes, I guess
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I'll try to.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: There was another scene we see Ellie kind of coming
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: in our own where she goes down finds Tampa, which
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I did appreciate that scene. I was like, yeah, she
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: looks like she's hit the jackpot with those box of tampoons,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: which that's where she kind of runs into the clicker
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: that's been buried underneath a rubble as she stabs him
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: in the face.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: After having a very like contemplative morbid curiosity.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, moments which we are going to talk about that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: once again. Excellent recamp, Samantha.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you you did get tears flowing.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I also going to talk about that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: As we said, we we watched these together.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: We're probably gonna watch all of them together.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry. I regret that I didn't do it
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: before and after shot up Annie. I really should have.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I might do that for episode five, h just but
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I will do it before and after.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: It wasn't good everyone, I mean it was, it was lovely.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I love this kind of stuff.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I love I'm somebody who get a lot of Catharsis
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: out of this kind of thing.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I know it doesn't do that for everybody.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: In fact, I've had at least four people now it's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: gone up like why are.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: You doing this to me? And I'm like, it's not
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: my fault, right.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: And I know we're going to talk more about this,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: but this is definitely a variation. And as someone who
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: was just the watcher, this was so much more impactful
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: and beautifully done. And the way they wrote the script
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: was a love letter and it was gorgeous.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been really like it's sad and it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: been cool. At the same time to how many people
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: are writing about it and how much like they cried
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and how moved.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: They were by it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And I should say, we had a lovely meal steak
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: sandwich which is from the game, so smashed potatoes, russels,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and me and one of my other good friends, Katie
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: has been on the show. We're sitting on oo sides
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of the couch and I think I could just hear
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like sniffling from her, snibbling from me. And I cried
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: so hard that the next day I stayed over at Samantha's.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: The next day I came down, my face was so swollen.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I did not see her right in front of me,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: right in front of me.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I was like, my face is still a little Yes,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: we recorded yesterday as well, and you were like I
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: was just stop trying, essentially.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And then I left and watched it go and cried
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and started yea, And I knew I'd read a bunch
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of things. I think I've been teasing it. I knew
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this one was going to be a real heartbreaker. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: did want to talk about. Like the biggest thing obviously
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: with this one is the departure from the game, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is the story of Bill and Frank. So here's the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: part what I'm going to talk about what happens in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the game if you really don't want to know, it
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is different. So it's also really easy to miss, as
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I said, so honestly, he'd probably be fine.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: But so.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: In the game, you need the car battery and you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: go to what's called Bill's town because he's just booby trapped.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Everything just everything is booby trapped, and he lives there
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: by himself and he's more like Tessa's friend, but it's
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: still a very like transactional what supplies can we get
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: each other?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And come to find out via reading notes.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Frank is his romantic partner and Frank has killed himself
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to get away from Bill, or that's what the note says,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: is like I can't take one more day with you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I would rather be dead than living next to a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: miserable person like you. And it's like, like I said,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you can miss it. You could literally bypass most of this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So it's like a really dark story, and I get
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: what they were trying to do. They're trying to tell you, like, well,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: who is surviving this and what does it take to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: survive it? And it doesn't look like the quote heavy
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: quote like good people are surviving. It seems like kind
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of these like really miserable that's what it takes to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: survive in this world.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And Frank has has killed himself.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And they don't even say, like outright that they're partners,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: but it's very clearly.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Implied, right, Yeah, So that story is very subtle. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: will say, like, there are moments in the show where
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: we think that's going to happen. So when he runs
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: out the door arguing like, yeah, I'm miserable doing this.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I can't do it like you. You need to let
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: me do me to be happy. So they did this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: The writers did this on purpose to mess with us.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I know, because I'm like, ah, oh okay.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I'm going to talk about that in
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a second, because there's a couple of reasons why I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: love what they did so much better in the show,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and some of them have been really poignantly written about,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: because a lot people have already written about this.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I did want to say.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I read an interesting article from the creator about like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the importance of not only hiring Sis Murray Bartlett played
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: played Frank, who is a gay man, but he also
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: hired like queer like camera people, middle aged, queer camera people,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and like the in the story and the director was
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: so it was like diversity in like multiple levels. It
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't just the actor. And we talked about that with
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Nick Offerman in it, who I also read a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of interviews with him and about how seriously he took
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: this and how he knew, like everyone working on this knew,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like this is a huge deal and we can't mess
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it up because you don't see this.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: That often on television.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: You don't see it in action and horror and video
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: game world, like right, you don't see this, and you don't.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: See it played out as a genuine love story. You
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: see it being kitchy or comical or dramatic. But this
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: was just genuine sweet love like kindness.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the things that I was
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: immediately when they first meet. I was like, oh, like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: because it Frank is Bill is very much.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He even says like the survivalist.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: He has this kind of like outward persona where we
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: talked about afterwards, like was it internalized homophobia? Was it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the like apocalypse made him feel like, oh I can
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: be myself or do this or whatever it is, But
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that scene where he's serving like this very lovely meal
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and then he brings out the wine and he's like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't see like the type, and Frank
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just says so sincerely, like, oh no, yeah, you do.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It was just like a really lovely, like there's so
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: many stereotypes of tropes in there that really shouldn't be there,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but they are, and so it was just such a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: nice like And then you get to see Bill playing
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the piano and he's singing this song, very like moving
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: emotional song, and he's a masculine dude like Nick Offerman.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Even his outside persona is a very masculine dude.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love the memes. That's just pretty much
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: him as Ron Swanson being faced with the lines from
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the Last of Us again, You and I have talked
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: about and my partner and I talked about that. At first,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I was concerned. I was like, why is Nick Offerman,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: who is very openly in a relationship with Megan Malaley,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: so like it seemed kind of like, you know, this
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: seems kind of could they have done this wrong? But
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the conversation is it is a very masculine dude who's
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: never been able to face his own self, which is
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: why he's like, I've never done this, I've never been that,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: but discovering that person with him. And it's also this
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: conversation and I read the recently an interview with a
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: director where he said, it's this conversation of maybe he's
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: not even necessarily gay, but he was in love with Frank.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It was the person that was that Frank. He found
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the one he loved and it was Frank. It's not
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: about sexuality discovering that. It was that And I don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: want to take away from that, but like the truth
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: of the matter is, this is a conversation I've had
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: with you about like I identify as heterosexual. That's never
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: been a thing. I've never been with a woman. I've
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: never been really attracted to a woman. But at the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: same time, I do love people. So there could be
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: this conversation of like, if I met someone else and
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: they happened to be identifying as a woman or as
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: non binary or what, that doesn't matter. I would be
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: in love with that person. And that's that whole spectrum
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: of sexuality that we've been talking about that it doesn't
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: really need I get labels, and it's good to have
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: labels if you need that and understanding who you are.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: But it could be as simple as I love this person,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: and he loved Frank with all his heart and he
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: did not know love like that until he met Frank.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: And that could be in the story and not necessarily
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: any anything else being the byline. And of course Nick
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Offerman understands that love.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a lot of interesting conversations
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and things written about it because I remember the first
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: time I played the second one and no spoilers, I promised,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But the second one has queer storylines as well, and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: they were still they're still homophobia, and I remember being
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: so disappointed. It's not like those things go away, right,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But I was like, there's zombies, the world is and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you're still doing this. So there I read. I read
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: an article with the creator too, where he was like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: what would it be, you know, in the in the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: world after this, would we still hold on to those
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: things or would we not?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And I do love like that scene where they're.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Fighting again, as Samantha said, it really was setting you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: up like, oh, it's coming, it's coming, but it was
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: such like a sweet they're different people, but he did
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: kind of he was like, okay, Yeah, he wasn't happy
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: about it, but he's like, all right, what you want
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to paint, we'll have the dinner party.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: It was it was a little bit of comic relief.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: So this was a quote from the interview from Inverse
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: with Peter Whore. He says, and he's talking about Nick
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Offerman playing this character and why Bill was so complicated.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: He says, he was never going to naturally discover who
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: he was to fall in love with or who we
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: found attractive until Frank came along. And even then it
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't just about being a man. It was because he
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: was Frank. It was because Frank is Frank. I felt
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: like it was about making sure to keep reminding them
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: all of that. And he goes, it's not as complicated
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: perhaps as it sounds, is about heart and love and truth.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And I love that, and I was like, yeah, oh god,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: yes he speaks to me.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh God. And also like.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Going back to these like tropes, we see, these stereotypes
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: we see not just with career characters, which just was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like men and a man like Nick Opferman slash Bill.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I think that seeing where Frank kind of takes over
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and like this is your first time like being very
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: like kind and careful and very consensual, you know, like
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: hey and having because in our society it's like man,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of course you manly man.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You've had so.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Much sex and that's your conquest with women and that's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: how you. But he just said kind of like no,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: one time with the girl, and I don't know, there
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was something about that that was nice too. It was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: sort of a refreshing change on that and I liked
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that Frank kind of it's like, okay, well we'll start
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: with the simple things and we'll wear it out. Like
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it was just very sweet, right, what Yeah, So we're
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: kind of moving into the territory I want to talk
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about where why I think it was so much better
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that they did it this way than how they did
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in the game. One is because there are a couple
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of tropes here that are kind of immediately concerned because
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they've been handled so badly before. And one is, you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: know with queer love stories, a lot of the time
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: they do die, and that is what happened here. But
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a tragic oh we never knew these
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: people and they got killed off. It was like finding joy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It was seeing the life that they lived, which was
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: quite a long life, right, that they lived together and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: finding joy and finding purpose in each other in this apocalypse.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And I was telling you, like, I've made this outline
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: of how I think every episode of the show is
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: going to go, and it's so grim every I'm like, whoa,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: how are they.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Going to do this?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So it was such a nice thing to see, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: finding that humanity and finding that connection and finding that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: love in the context of this.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Zombie apocalypse.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is, like they didn't die, they
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: didn't get killed off violently, they didn't go through and
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: try to save someone, or they weren't murdered. But because
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: of who they were, none of that happened. And they
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: grew older together and they decided to go out together
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: and talking about how happy their days were, how some
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: of the days were bad and they were all worth
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: it with each other, and like to also like the
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: whole ending of him, like I want you to hold
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: me for the last time. That was such a moment
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: because that could they wrew into this loving relationship and
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: it was loving, like everything they had was about love,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: and even that being just them, they were content.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well and they did really good job of that too,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: because you could tell like they were different people. They
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: were very different people, and they had fights and disagreements
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and the days weren't easy. But that was something else
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that I really liked was when oh, no, I'm getting
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: your eye. Even when he says, like Bill says at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the end, like I'm satisfied. It's not that they like like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: oh my lives are so our lives are so miserable,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: let's just end it. It's like, well, we've had a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: lot of good days together. Yeah, I want to go
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Oh right, and she's trying. All is happening. Yes, And
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I do love that way they closed out. I didn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: talk about this. They closed out the scene with an
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: ode to the video game, which is where you start
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: to say play or not start, is a window open
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: with breezes. They intentionally did that at the end as
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: an ode.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: To the game. Yes, oh my god.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But I also liked that that you never see their bodies.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's not gratuitous.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: They try not to do that. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked that because we've talked about that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: with ableism and kind of that whole you know, oh,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I'm in a wheelchair, I'd rather be dead. It didn't
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: give me that vibe at all. It just kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: gave me like, you know, I'm happy, right, and it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: not gonna write.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And I think the biggest part to that is that
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: he had pain. He had so much pain, and that
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: was kind of that conversation is like, I'm all I'm
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: doing is hurting. And of course, yeah, there's always a
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: conversation about ableism, but also free will and free choice.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: There's so much to that in the conversation. But he
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: had found joy for the longest time up until the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: point that he couldn't handle the pain. And I think
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: they insinuated he's been in a wheelchair for a minute.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And it was so nice, like they didn't just show
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the sad times like that scene with the strawberry.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh god. It was like such a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: joyful thing that they shared together, like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: The giggle and the joy and the fact that Frank
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: hid that for a while. That because it takes like
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: a good six months to grow like that size. Mmmm,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: it looked really good though, I will think that it did,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: And then I did want to say this would probably
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: be my like ominous hint of the of the episode,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: because they have those kind of behind the scenes things
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: at the end of you know what was going on
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in this when.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: They were making it and creating it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think Neil Juckman,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: who made the video game, said was like where love
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: contain AQ? And so I think this was like a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: happy example, whereas in the game it wasn't right, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in this it was a happy example.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But I would yeah, I would say that's a very.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Good outline for this whole show is where love can
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: take you, and that can be very bad, and that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: can be very good, and it can be in between
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: There is definitely the comparison to Joel with the note
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: where he's talking about like protect tests I got to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: protect Frank. He says, men like us protect and then
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: he's wearing the shirt. It's a lot of comparison of.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Like, well what will Joel? Where will love take Joel?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: So I'll leave that there, and then I yeah, we
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: need to briefly.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Touch on Ellie. I think, of course, because.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: This was.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We were Samith and I were talking about this. I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: don't think this is a big departure, but she's definitely.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: She's a little like Harsher's too strong, but like Rougher edged.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: For the beginning of the game, she's Bella. Ramsy's portrayed
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: her as Rover edged and so like this seem er.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: She kills the zombie, which she doesn't tell Joel about.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: She stole the gun and doesn't tell Joel about it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: She I like how they did really they're already planting
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the seeds. That she's very insecure and how she's going
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to survive in this world because she kept asking like, well,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: what if Billy and frankkart there? What if Bill and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Frank won't take me? Which is I mean, yeah, it
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: would be terrifying. What is going to happen to me?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Are you just going to leave me if they're not there?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And we also at the same time see Joel trying
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: to protect Ellie's innocence, where he's like, no, we should will.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Take the longer way.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to go that way because you'll
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: see something you don't want to see, and that's where
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the mass gravesite is, whereas Ellie immediately is like, well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: now I have to go see it. And I think
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that's the dichotomy of he grew up in this time
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: where he remembers like his daughter Sarah, and he remembers
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like that kind of protecting level of children. Ellie has
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: never really known that she's just growing up in a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: zombie a buocalypse worlds or that sort of part of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: her life. And so I think that's sort of a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: push and pull between them of him really wanting to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: protect what he views is like her childish inno sense
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and her being really really frustrated because she's like that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: this is the world we live in, right.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, when we were talking about it, like
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: the way I interpreted, both of them were a little
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: different as where the Ellie in the game to me
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: was more willing to go with everything. Joel said a
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: little few definitely a lot of questions, but it was like, Okay,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: didn't push too hard. The Bella Ramsey Ellie, she does
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: that too. She pushes, she pushes, but then she knows
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: when to stop because he makes the face and she
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: backs off. But like the whole killing of the zombie,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the moment that as the director was saying, was like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you know from episode two, episode one, she is intrigued
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: by him beating the hell out of that guard and
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: not disgusted, which was the opposite reaction to Sarah from
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Sarah who was like horrified to see that he had
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: killed that monster who was a neighbor. But like, the
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: differences are pretty pretty stark. Again, this has to do that, Yes,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Ellie has been alone, She's seen something essentially, and she's
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: just waiting her turn to die. It seems so that
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: makes sense to that. But yeah, there's a small difference
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: in the attitudes on how Ashley Johnson, the voice of
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: the original Ellie, portrayed it versus what Bella Ramsey's doing
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: with this role. But again, Bella Ramsey, her whole persona
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: is a little bit tougher. We saw that with the
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Game of Thrones, like she was intense, and this does
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: fit that as survival mode.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I also think it's interesting because we did
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: talk about this too. Like I said, I think Ashley
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Johnson just kind of has a her voice and her
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the way she approached it in the game, which is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: kind of softer. She's still like she curses like a sailor.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I would never mess with her, but she I think
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the way they did it was much more and were
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: depending on Ellie. Four these rare, bright moments of habbits,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: which does still happen because she'll still be like, oh wow,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I've never been in the woods. Oh well, I've never
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: done this and this, and sort of that child like wonder.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: But I think also because we know, because you and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I the insiders, know what happens in the second one
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and how it ends. The first one ends, I feel,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: oh no, another ominous hint. I feel like they're kind
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of planting other seats.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: No, the director said that behind the scenes, you're seeing
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: something different for a reason, outside of just her environment currently,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that that definitely is a whole thing and it only grows.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I mean in that environment, can you be anything more
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: than callous? Though?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: And that's the question, that's a question. Where does love
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: take Ellie?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: This is your this is like your hypothesis for every episode,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and be like, where does love go in this one?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: And I know I also told Samantha. I think I've
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: said this in previous ones. I do have like a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: kind of overarching I'm say critiques, but some critics, but
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like thoughts about these tropes. I'm saving them for the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: last one because I think, like even just talking about
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: them without spoiling them is spoiling them, if that makes sense.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So just know that that is coming.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff with Ellie's characters sort of
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: tricky to talk about, but she does have the scene
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in the game as well where Joel puts in this
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: music and it's like, oh, it's so good and she's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like whatever, But then they bond over the they bond
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: over the music. So it's that you can see the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the bonding is happening. It's beginning, it is beginning. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: did want to mention the awkward dinner party. There is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that awkward dinner party between Joel and Test and Bill
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and Frank, and I loved it because it was so awkward.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: It was so good of Frank going Bill really yes,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: and the lowering of the gun yes.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Well we were talking about it too.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: It's so funny how like a lot of times couples
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: do kind of not always, but they'll kind of follow
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: along those lines where you've got the one that's like, oh,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I do not want to be here, and the other
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: ones like book please, I want friends, test as sort
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: of that version and then Francis of that version.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I like seeing them kind of bond, right. I did
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I love that. I've always been meaning to mention.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: This is largely based on a book called The World
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Without Us, which is a book that is about what
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: would happen if humanity just disappeared. So a lot of
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the like imagery and all that stuff comes from that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: There is a documentary about the game, how the game
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is made, and it's awesome. Obviously wait till you finish
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the show if you don't want to be surprised, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: it's really cool.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: It's got a fun alternate ending.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And then just to say yeah, like the response after
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: this one has been like hugely positive, but just so
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: many people, especially in the queer space, like, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen this, or it's just especially as I said,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in this sort of like action horror video game realm.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm glad they did it this as
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: opposed to oh, you just find Frank's dead body.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: This is so much better.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, Agreed. I was wrong in my next week predictions.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I was wrong about the bloater, but I did you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: heard me talk about it before where I had revised
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: my my prediction because it's too early for the it's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: not the game, but in the show, right, I think
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I know what happens.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: The next one is too much more spoiler, but.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Ye into trauma every I mean every.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Every time, every time, every time. Oh my gosh, what
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: an emotional roller coaster this is.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I really watched it again the night.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I know you will, so you will.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you Samantha Hosting for supporting
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: me my passions.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you listeners. I hope you're enjoying it. I have.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I've enjoyed all of my I mean, it does kind
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: of overwhelm me, but I've enjoyed all the messages I've gotten.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: About it, especially the like whyey.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Threw my arms up in the air you couldn't see it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But oh well, I can't wait for the next episode.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I think I texted you the next day. I was like, oh,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: so excited, so excited, So be on the lookout for that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: As we said, these are coming out every Saturday, a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: week after the newest episode to prepare you for the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: next one, right right, Just the recaps, just the recap,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I could talk about this forever.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I think the second I think the last episode is
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: going to be two parter, but we'll see it's gonna
• 42:42
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• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Promise, Promise, Promise.
• 42:49
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