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Credlin | 9 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 2: on Predline, the new South Wales Premier Chris Mins wipe
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Speaker 2: to smile up Anthony Albanese's face today. I'll show you
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Speaker 2: what happened in a moment, and we'll also cross lives
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Speaker 2: to Tasmania. I want you to meet Pauline Hanson's daughter Lee.
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Speaker 2: She's shaking things up in the Senate race down there
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Speaker 2: on the Appella. She's taking the fight right up to
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Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby. The Greens issue their ransom demands in the
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Speaker 2: very likely case of a hung Parliament.
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Speaker 3: The PM says no deal. I've heard that one before.
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Speaker 3: But what about all the.
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Speaker 2: Secret deals labors already doing with the Greens. I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you about those in a moment. Last's into Namba Jipa Brice.
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Speaker 2: I know you want to see more of her in
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Speaker 2: the Cobbeged campaign. She's a superstar, she joins me. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: We're going to get across a whole lot of issues.
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Speaker 2: She accused today a very prominent domestic violence group of
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Speaker 2: gas lighting. Aboriginal Women's answer on gas today is a
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Speaker 2: clear contrast to Labour's renewables only energy.
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Speaker 4: Miss Our gas plan is about getting Australian gas for Australians.
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Speaker 4: That will bring the price down if we bring more
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Speaker 4: supply between fifteen one hundred pedidules into the market and
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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister is not promising to fix any problem.
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Speaker 3: But first.
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Speaker 2: If the Almeneezy Gavin's re elected, most likely reliant on
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Speaker 2: Green's support, it will do even more damage to our
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Speaker 2: economic strength and social cohesion. Now that's obvious up to
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Speaker 2: today's National Press Club speech by Green's letter Adam Band,
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Speaker 2: where he tabled his party's minimum demands for keeping Anthony
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Speaker 2: Almenesi in office.
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Speaker 3: The price of breeds support in a.
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Speaker 2: Hung Parliament will be ending negative gearing for residential housing
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Speaker 2: and ending the capital gains tax session.
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Speaker 5: We will keep Dutton out and get Labor to act
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Speaker 5: on the cost of living, housing and climate crisis. That
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Speaker 5: the Greens will make reforming negative gearing in the capital
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Speaker 5: gains tax discount a priority in the next parliament, including
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Speaker 5: when there's a minority government.
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Speaker 3: You don't need me to tell you.
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Speaker 2: These are the same policies Bill short And took to
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Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen election, an election that Labor was expected
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Speaker 2: to win, but that produced Scott Morrison's miracle victory because
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Speaker 2: investors saw this as a wealth tax, and because rent
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Speaker 2: is understood that sending landlords to the wall would do
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Speaker 2: them more harm than good. Now, when the hawk Keating
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Speaker 2: government briefly dumped negative gearing in the nineteen eighties, rents skyrocket,
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Speaker 2: especially in Sydney in Perth, and that's why it wasn't
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Speaker 2: long thereafter that they rained it all back. In Australia today,
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Speaker 2: some two million of US nearly ten percent own an
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Speaker 2: investment property and one point three million of US claim
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Speaker 2: and tax benefit from negative gearing because the outgoings on
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Speaker 2: the property, so that's the interest in other expenses exceed
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Speaker 2: the rental income. This includes many young people who actually
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Speaker 2: rent as themselves, but have bought an investment property in
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Speaker 2: an area where homes are more affordable.
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Speaker 3: A far from being billionaires, these are.
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Speaker 2: Mostly teachers, nurses, tradees, people who have worked hard and
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Speaker 2: saved to make an investment that will help in their retirement.
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Speaker 3: Because most of these people are not.
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Speaker 2: Sophisticated investors with the time or the background to follow
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Speaker 2: the money markets, they prefer to put their savings into
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Speaker 2: property because it's an asset they understand, and it's an
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Speaker 2: asset they can feel and touch. And of that two million,
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Speaker 2: the vast majority only own one property. That's seventy one percent.
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Speaker 2: Just nineteen percent own two properties. And the Greens idea
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Speaker 2: of those mega millionaire landlords, well that's a lie. Just
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Speaker 2: six percent, six percent of all landlords own three investment properties.
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Speaker 2: And yet there's a huge mark of hypocrisy with the
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Speaker 2: Greens because it's a lot of their MP's in those numbers.
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Speaker 2: Green's Senator Maureene Ferouki, well, she owns three homes and
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Speaker 2: a block of land. Nick McKim Green, senator from Tasmania,
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Speaker 2: he owns four properties himself. David Schuebridge he's another Green. Well,
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Speaker 2: he's from New South Wales and he's got three properties
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Speaker 2: in his name. These are all declared, I might add
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Speaker 2: on their register, so on the public record. Another senator,
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Speaker 2: Senator Elizabeth Watson Brown and a friend of hers, Green's
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Speaker 2: Penny Almond Pain and Steph Hodgkins may two properties each
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Speaker 2: for these senators. Now, make no mistake, this is a
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Speaker 2: direct assault on wealth, a wealth tax. But it's coming
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Speaker 2: if Labour's re elected. Even if Labour's re elected in
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Speaker 2: its own right, it will need to find extra sources
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Speaker 2: of revenue to pay for its big government, big spending promises,
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Speaker 2: and many Labour MPs want hire taxes on those they
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Speaker 2: see as rich. The Greens are also demanding a two
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Speaker 2: year freeze on rents.
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Speaker 5: Landlords cannot be allowed to raise the rent by whatever
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Speaker 5: number they want.
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Speaker 6: There has to be limits, and.
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Speaker 2: This would extend Labour's new socialism from the energy market
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Speaker 2: to the housing market, bringing yet more distortions and complications
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Speaker 2: into our already tortured economy. Now, it's true that rents
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Speaker 2: have gone up massively by some almost one hundred dollars
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Speaker 2: a week in Sydney over the past two years. Now,
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Speaker 2: in part that's landlords, like the rest of us, trying
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Speaker 2: to cope with rising mortgage costs that have gone up
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Speaker 2: on average by twenty thousand dollars under the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: plus all the state tax hikes like land tax in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But this is more a matter of supply and demand
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Speaker 2: than capitalist greed, is claimed by the Greens. Council rules
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Speaker 2: make new developments too hard and too expensive, and because
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Speaker 2: Germany and Australians do doubtful courses at UNI rather than
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Speaker 2: get a useful trade building costs in this country have
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Speaker 2: gone through the roof, where immigration too is running in
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Speaker 2: half a million a year, with every one of those
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Speaker 2: new migrants needing a place to leave. Well, of course
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Speaker 2: rents of skyrocketing, but the last thing the Greens or
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Speaker 2: Labor will do is cut immigration, because it's the business
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Speaker 2: model of the university, is the back the political left,
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Speaker 2: and because it's the economic model of failing state and
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Speaker 2: federal labor governments that are allergic to giving people economic
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Speaker 2: freedom and raining and spending. Last night at the People's Forum,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister played down the significance of this ransom
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Speaker 2: note from the Greens, saying he didn't do deals, you'll
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Speaker 2: take their votes.
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Speaker 6: Won't do deals?
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Speaker 3: Is that a fair way to.
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Speaker 7: There'll be no deals with the Greens by me after
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Speaker 7: the election.
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Speaker 2: Well that's a lie because the fact is he's doing
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Speaker 2: deals already now with the Greens on preferences right now.
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Speaker 2: The fact is he's already hostage to Adam Bant because
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Speaker 2: dozens of Labour's MP's have only got there into Parliament
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Speaker 2: thanks to Green preferences. If the PM's really serious in
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Speaker 2: his opposition to the Greens, and his claims that they
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Speaker 2: are an extremist party. He'll do what Peter Dutton's already
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Speaker 2: done and put them last. Otherwise, all that will save
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Speaker 2: us from the Green Left's wealth taxes is to change
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Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 3: Let's swing around the campaigns.
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Speaker 2: We'll start tonight with Anthony Albanese's day on the campaign trail,
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Speaker 2: spending most of it as we know in Sydney following
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Speaker 2: last night's People's Forum, joining me in our political reporter,
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Speaker 2: the wonderful cam Redden.
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Speaker 3: Now, can you've switched buses?
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Speaker 2: You've gone from Peter Dutton's bus to the Prime minister's
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Speaker 2: and the PM was out today with another very popular premier,
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Speaker 2: glu to his hip. But it wasn't all sunshine and smiles,
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Speaker 2: was it.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look.
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Speaker 1: Chris Mins is a great premier and he's doing a
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Speaker 1: great job.
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Speaker 7: I think that Peter Dutton's policy is very different For
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Speaker 7: a range of public service jobs.
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Speaker 1: You can't do them remotely.
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Speaker 9: We want public service to spend the majority of the
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Speaker 9: week in the workplace. We're not going to change our
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Speaker 9: policy and the Prime Minister has been clear and consistent
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Speaker 9: about his policy and I think that's very a key
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Speaker 9: choice for voters in the election campaign. You know where
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Speaker 9: I stand, you know where the PM stands.
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Speaker 6: There's some discourse there on work from home Peter of course,
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Speaker 6: the new South Wales Labor Premier there Chris men saying well,
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Speaker 6: our policy is slightly different from Peter Duttons because we
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Speaker 6: want most working from home. Peter Duttons was about all
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Speaker 6: the public servants working from home. So that's how they're
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Speaker 6: trying to weave in amongst the details there. But you're right,
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Speaker 6: Peter today really did look like something of confidence on
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Speaker 6: full show from the Prime Minister. He won that debate
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Speaker 6: last night the People's Forum. He's clearly wanting to be
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Speaker 6: seen as being on a bit of a winning ticket.
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Speaker 6: Out next to not just the Premier today but also
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Speaker 6: the Environment Minister Tania Plivsk for the first time this
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Speaker 6: campaign he was shouldered to shoulder but just Cintra Allen
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Speaker 6: just a couple of days ago. So perhaps trying to
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Speaker 6: allay some of those concerns internally, can we get the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister out with these people. He was out there
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Speaker 6: with Tania Piliver sect today even Clovermore, the somewhat polarizing
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Speaker 6: Lord Mayor of Sydney. In some parts of New South
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Speaker 6: Wales she's viewed very differently to how she is in
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Speaker 6: the city, but popular in those parts. Peter, this was
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Speaker 6: clearly all about just being seen to be amongst the people.
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Speaker 6: He feels like he's got the win at his back
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Speaker 6: at the moment, got the win last night. Feels like
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Speaker 6: he's had a bit of a gift with in terms
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Speaker 6: of the work from home back down from the coalition.
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Speaker 6: So that will be the thinking where we are here
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Speaker 6: now in Cans. The Prime Minister wants to be seen
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Speaker 6: to be on the attack. He believes in this camp,
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Speaker 6: believes that a majority government is not completely off the
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Speaker 6: table yet it will be difficult. They will need to
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Speaker 6: win seats and that's why they're here in the seat
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Speaker 6: of Leichhart, which remember it's only three and a half
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Speaker 6: percent and has only been held by Warren Ensch when
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Speaker 6: it comes to a Liberal National member in recent years
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Speaker 6: since twenty ten. Yes, in his hands, but it's been
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Speaker 6: labor previous years before that. So they think with his
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Speaker 6: retirement they're a shot here, still a tough chance to
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Speaker 6: get to majority, Peter, but they're not losing hope given
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Speaker 6: that they've had their wind at the back for the
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Speaker 6: last few days.
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Speaker 2: We'll enjoy beautiful can certainly warmer than where I am now,
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Cam.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go out of the Opposition leader's day.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now political reporter Ruben Spargo. Well, this is
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Speaker 2: your first time on the campaign trail, Ruben, how did
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Speaker 2: you go with Peter Dutton today and what were his moves?
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Speaker 10: Good evening, Peter, yes, it is the Opposition leader started
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Speaker 10: his day in Western Sydney. He was selling his National
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Speaker 10: Gas Plan, telling voters it will progressively lower household energy bills.
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Speaker 10: We know Peter Dutton took a tour of blue Scope Steel,
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Speaker 10: a factory and the seat.
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Speaker 8: Of McMahon, the electorate held by the Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 8: Manufacturers like blue Scope also a seeking relief with gas.
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Speaker 8: We know by new frontier economic mode, Linam, we can
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Speaker 8: show you the numbers here that it will reduce industrial
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Speaker 8: retail gas bills by fifteen percent and see seven percent
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Speaker 8: shaved from household gas costs. It would also lead to
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Speaker 8: a three percent cut in residential electricity prices.
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Speaker 3: Peter.
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Speaker 8: As you know, energy policy was a major feature of
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Speaker 8: last night's Sky News debate and part of a broader
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Speaker 8: conversation around cost of living, as voters aside who's best,
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Speaker 8: who can best help. Then we're now in the heart
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Speaker 8: of Melbourne, after traveling this afternoon on a plane, the
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Speaker 8: next official stop for Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Rebin right.
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Speaker 2: Lots to get across elsewhere around the country. Let's do
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Speaker 2: that now, National Affairs editor the Daily Telegraph. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Sky News host James Morrow, and I've sen your reporter
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Speaker 2: from Sydney, Carolyn Marcus. I'm going to get into the Greens,
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Speaker 2: but let me start James Morrow, if I can with you.
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Speaker 3: I was very.
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Speaker 2: Surprised last night watching that debate and when you a
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Speaker 2: good hour before it commenced, Peter Dutton's father had been
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Speaker 2: rushed to hospital. We were told it was incredibly serious.
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Speaker 2: The rumors came around it was something akin to a
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Speaker 2: heart attack, which of course has been confirmed today. I
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Speaker 2: was really surprised that the Prime Minister didn't say something
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Speaker 2: in solidarity with the opposition leader at the top of
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Speaker 2: the program.
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Speaker 11: Well, my understanding is that they had a sort of
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Speaker 11: agreement made to not mention it, and that they decided
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Speaker 11: that they would just simply keep that out of the
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Speaker 11: discussion off the stage. But I do have to say
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Speaker 11: that having been delivered that very scary news, Peter Dutton
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Speaker 11: did a remarkable job of I think focusing, directing whatever
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Speaker 11: you know, nervous energy and worry he would have understandably
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Speaker 11: had about his dad towards getting a very good outcome
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Speaker 11: in that debate. And I think his performance, you know,
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Speaker 11: which was has focused and on point and on message,
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Speaker 11: and I think we've seen from Peter since the start
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Speaker 11: of the year really reflected that, well.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the Greens.
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Speaker 2: It felt like back to the future today, back to
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Speaker 2: the Bill Shorten era of twenty nineteen, when all those
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Speaker 2: policies sunk his campaign. The Greens are saying the price
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Speaker 2: of doing a deal with them will be the end
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Speaker 2: of the capital gains tax discount, the end of negative gearing,
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Speaker 2: blanket freezes on rental property increases. Of course, that's as
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Speaker 2: well as their demands to end or fossil fuels and mining.
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Speaker 2: The PM got a bit tetchy when he was asked
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Speaker 2: questions about the Greens and doing deals and a whole
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Speaker 2: range of things.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 12: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 12: capital gains, taxes.
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Speaker 7: How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 12: Using this negotiations with the Greens in horses former government no,
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Speaker 12: in horse trading devotes and other matters.
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
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Speaker 12: Sorry, the Greens come to you and you need their
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Speaker 12: vote to pass legislation, will you rule out changing negative
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Speaker 12: gearing settings and capital gains?
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Speaker 11: Yes? And you might have noticed.
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Speaker 7: I mean you're a state correspondent. But let me explain.
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Speaker 7: There are twenty five guys we have in the Senate
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Speaker 7: in order to get legislation through. We're in that situation,
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Speaker 7: have been in that situation for this entire term.
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Speaker 3: As I said, he got a pretty tetch she there.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't like these questions.
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Speaker 2: Labour's got form. We remember everything with Julia Gillard. James,
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Speaker 2: of course she.
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Speaker 3: Did a deal.
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Speaker 2: He's splitting hairs here because when he says I won't
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Speaker 2: do a deal, what are he's thinking about and talking about?
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Speaker 2: There is a formal coalition now. They didn't do that
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Speaker 2: with Gillard either. They have what's called an alliance on
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Speaker 2: the left and we know they're doing deals because they're
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Speaker 2: doing deals on preferences as we speak tonight.
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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, that's right, and you know, there is so
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Speaker 11: much in that answer there that needs to be parissed.
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Speaker 11: I mean, number one, the tetchiness with which the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister dealt with that reporter. Oh you're a state reporter,
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Speaker 11: so maybe you don't know all that much. Well gee,
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Speaker 11: that's really sort of touchy and clever. They're Prime minister.
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Speaker 11: And then you know the whole thing he says, but well, hey, look,
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Speaker 11: you know, we didn't do deals in the Senate. But
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Speaker 11: of course the fact is, you know, you don't need
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Speaker 11: a majority in the Senate to hold power. You only
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Speaker 11: need the majority in the House of Representatives. So for
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Speaker 11: him to say, well, we didn't do it in the Senate,
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Speaker 11: we won't do it in the House is really disingenuous
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Speaker 11: because what it all comes down to here is the
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Speaker 11: Greens are a radical party with a radical agenda. Labor
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Speaker 11: wants to hold power and you know their motto, whatever
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Speaker 11: it takes. The Greens know that if they get the
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Speaker 11: whip head here, Labor will have to come to the
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Speaker 11: table just as they did in twenty ten, and it'll
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Speaker 11: come to much worse endings because the Greens are far
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Speaker 11: more radical now under Adam Bett than they were. We
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Speaker 11: have to be honest about it under Bob Brown fifteen
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Speaker 11: years ago.
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Speaker 2: Caroline, we'll go to another ridshi because I think this
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Speaker 2: is really relevant. The Defense Minister, Richard Miles, who will
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Speaker 2: not confirm he wants to even stay in the portfolio.
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Speaker 2: He had a whack at Andrew Hasty, who a might
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Speaker 2: add as water uniform. Miles has not after Hasty refused
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Speaker 2: to walk back comments he made in twenty eighteen arguing
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Speaker 2: that women should be barred from serving in combat roles
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Speaker 2: in the ADF.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 2: It is utterly untenable that the alternative Defense Minister of
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Speaker 2: this country has a view that women should not be
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Speaker 2: serving in combat roles.
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Speaker 3: Now, I want to underscore the point here.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about frontline combat roles which require certain physical attributes.
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Speaker 2: There was an ex commando who called into radio this
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Speaker 2: morning in Melbourne Radio three to aw and he pointed
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Speaker 2: out the blinding office. But I think it's important to
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Speaker 2: listen to this.
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Speaker 13: I've got the greatest respect for women in uniform. They
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Speaker 13: can do all sorts of things. But in a combat unit,
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Speaker 13: if I'm unconscious or wounded and they have to carry
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Speaker 13: me off the battlefield, well, I'm six foot three in
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Speaker 13: a wayhundred and ten kilos more with all mcgearon, they
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Speaker 13: are unlikely to carry me over their shoulder off the battlefield.
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Speaker 13: If I'm unconscious in the hatch of an armored vehicle,
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Speaker 13: they're unlikely to be able to reach down and pull
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Speaker 13: me out of the burning vehicle. So my safety is
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Speaker 13: compromised and my mate safety is compromised unless they can
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Speaker 13: do that.
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Speaker 2: Caroline, I don't think the Libs will want to be
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Speaker 2: distracted by this. They need to stay on cost of living.
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Speaker 2: But it's hard not to agree with both Andrew Hasty,
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Speaker 2: as I say, someone who's been there and that commando
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Speaker 2: on radio, this isn't about gender per se.
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Speaker 3: This is about strength.
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Speaker 2: And if you're a bloke who couldn't lift another man
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Speaker 2: who's one hundred and ten kilos, well, similarly you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: make the grade.
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Speaker 14: It's inarguable hitter from a biological perspective. And I've just
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Speaker 14: done an entire documentary about why biological males the arguments
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Speaker 14: for keeping them out of women's board, and it's a
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Speaker 14: similar argument here. If you've had the advantages of male puberty,
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Speaker 14: you've had the surge of testosterone, it makes you wrong
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Speaker 14: and it makes you faster, and so it goes without
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Speaker 14: should go without saying that you're better suited to those
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Speaker 14: combat roles. And good on Andrew Hasty for not coming
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Speaker 14: out with a usual apology over these or non apology
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Speaker 14: over historical comments that he made seven years ago. But
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Speaker 14: I have to say, I think the Liberal Party opened
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Speaker 14: themselves up to this exact kind of attack by disendorsing
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Speaker 14: a candidate, Benjamin Britten, when he said the ADF needed
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Speaker 14: to remove females from camp combat corpse. And you know,
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Speaker 14: from my perspective, that shouldn't have been a cancelable offense.
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Speaker 14: And as soon as the Liberal Party decided to walk
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Speaker 14: away from their candidate for those comments, which are not
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Speaker 14: that different from Andrew Hasty's which seemed perfectly reasonable, they
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Speaker 14: did open themselves up to these exact kind of attacks
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Speaker 14: for similar statements made by other members of the party.
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Speaker 14: What they should have done is stood by him, said
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Speaker 14: it's not our policy, or we're not changing our policy
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Speaker 14: to remove women from these combat roles, or perhaps they
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Speaker 14: should have looked into doing that, but instead they made
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Speaker 14: it a thing. And that's why they've left open Andrew
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Speaker 14: Hasty and others to potential attacks.
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Speaker 2: I think James Mora just simple to have a test
19:23
Speaker 2: and very few women. I'm over six foot and six
19:25
Speaker 2: foot one. There's no way I could lift a bloke
19:27
Speaker 2: six foot four and you know, struggle across a battlefield
19:31
Speaker 2: with him is over one hundred.
19:32
Speaker 3: Kilos in no way. Now, just make it about the.
19:35
Speaker 2: Physical attributes that you need, and they all myself select
19:38
Speaker 2: in my view.
19:41
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think that's right. But you know, and
19:44
Speaker 11: again it is about the physical attributes here. I mean,
19:47
Speaker 11: you know, these guys who go into combat, these are
19:49
Speaker 11: seriously strong guys, and I would never be able to
19:52
Speaker 11: do one tenth of the things that they do, you know,
19:54
Speaker 11: So all respect to them, But there's also this sort
19:56
Speaker 11: of way he well, yeah, look, anything heavier than a
20:03
Speaker 11: case of whine. I'm struggling. But you know, the fact
20:06
Speaker 11: is is that it's also this labor sort of leftist
20:09
Speaker 11: idea that the ADF is about social engineering first, right,
20:13
Speaker 11: and winning wars and defending the nation second. So I
20:16
Speaker 11: think that introducing this whole issue is really about their
20:20
Speaker 11: social goals. It's not about defending the country, and that
20:24
Speaker 11: that's all I care about when it comes to the ADF.
20:27
Speaker 11: Can they defend the country.
20:31
Speaker 3: Spot on, spot on.
20:32
Speaker 2: I guess the risk is that they will that they
20:35
Speaker 2: will moderate the tests and moderate the rules and apply
20:38
Speaker 2: a discount factor to some that are not physically up
20:41
Speaker 2: to it.
20:41
Speaker 3: And that's what we don't want to say.
20:43
Speaker 2: Hey, revelations today that in just four years, on the
20:47
Speaker 2: current trajectory we're headed on, labor will be spending more
20:50
Speaker 2: than thirty thousand dollars per person, which would be a
20:53
Speaker 2: per capita record unsustainable. James, we've talked a lot about
20:58
Speaker 2: these tariffs, trumps, trade tariffs, no sign they're raising up.
21:03
Speaker 2: And this blue too between Musk and Navarro showing things
21:08
Speaker 2: a pretty testy in the White House.
21:11
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, look, that's what's really really interesting. Elon Musk
21:14
Speaker 11: has taken out over the chief trade negotiator there, Peter Navarro.
21:18
Speaker 11: It's interesting he's called him, well, he called them something
21:20
Speaker 11: I'm not going to repeat on air because the Family Program.
21:22
Speaker 11: But it was one of those sort of Muski and
21:24
Speaker 11: puns that don't quite rise to the level of Noel Coward.
21:28
Speaker 11: Let's just say. But Peter Navarro, I also understand, is
21:31
Speaker 11: the one who wanted to deny Australia an exemption from
21:34
Speaker 11: the ten percent tariff, so you know, maybe Australia will
21:36
Speaker 11: suddenly be t musk on that one, But in terms
21:39
Speaker 11: of our own situation here, that's thirty thousand dollars figures
21:42
Speaker 11: in an absolute indictment. And you know, given how we
21:44
Speaker 11: know that it's only the top forty percent of taxpayers
21:47
Speaker 11: who pay any tax at all. Our economy is so
21:50
Speaker 11: unbalanced and this government has done so much in the
21:52
Speaker 11: last three years, you know, spending all of its time
21:55
Speaker 11: trying to get Sony on Blanc on Shanghai dinner tables,
21:58
Speaker 11: when they should have been working on whereas to protect
22:01
Speaker 11: our economy and get us into other markets well before taris.
22:04
Speaker 11: But we all knew the China thing was unsustainable. This
22:08
Speaker 11: is once again we need some sort of change, in
22:10
Speaker 11: a reset on the wather we operate this economy, because
22:13
Speaker 11: an ever bigger government and ever less productivity is a
22:16
Speaker 11: road to ruin.
22:19
Speaker 3: Caroline.
22:20
Speaker 2: Just back to the Greens, I spent some time on
22:22
Speaker 2: their website today looking into a number of their candidates.
22:25
Speaker 2: I think got some pictures to show you the current
22:27
Speaker 2: crop and their backgrounds. As much as I can read,
22:30
Speaker 2: it's pretty sanitized on the website, but I went through
22:32
Speaker 2: digging around, you know, googling their names and seeing their
22:36
Speaker 2: true histories.
22:37
Speaker 3: You've got to hope that.
22:38
Speaker 2: Australians are digging into these people before they trade their
22:43
Speaker 2: votes in the Lower House or the Upper House, even
22:46
Speaker 2: preference flows to the Greens.
22:49
Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, what can I say?
22:52
Speaker 14: They look perhaps like typical Greens voters or Greens candidates
22:57
Speaker 14: what you'd almost expect, but that certainly they don't seem
23:01
Speaker 14: largely to be representative perhaps of their communities. I noticed
23:05
Speaker 14: another Greens candidate called Avery Howard. We haven't showed them
23:09
Speaker 14: on screen, and I say them because that's the pronow
23:13
Speaker 14: that Avery Howard likes to use running in the scene
23:17
Speaker 14: of Fowler. That's the Southwest Sydney seat that I've looked
23:21
Speaker 14: at in this campaign. It's a low socioeconomic seat that's
23:25
Speaker 14: currently held by the independent Mpdly. But the Greens candidate
23:30
Speaker 14: describes themselves as non binary, an anti poverty advocate and
23:36
Speaker 14: retail worker. Purple head again seems to be a theme there,
23:41
Speaker 14: the rainbow colored hair. And then apparently they were shocked
23:46
Speaker 14: when they received a torrent of abuse based on their
23:50
Speaker 14: looks and the gender identity, which is they shouldn't be
23:53
Speaker 14: getting that kind of abuse, but it doesn't seem to
23:56
Speaker 14: be very representative of the communities that there's standing up for,
24:00
Speaker 14: I mean foul in particular sixteen percent Vietnamese demographic. There
24:06
Speaker 14: are just I don't know where they find some of
24:09
Speaker 14: these candidates, but they.
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Speaker 3: Certainly do stick out like a sore thumb sometimes.
24:15
Speaker 2: Hey, you're not wrong. We've got a picture there of
24:17
Speaker 2: Avery Maya. People in Sydney is scrambling to find it
24:20
Speaker 2: to put you up on the screen.
24:21
Speaker 3: But just to reinforce your point that.
24:24
Speaker 2: The presentation of the Greens candidate list, if I could
24:28
Speaker 2: call it, that comes across as basically a whole lot
24:32
Speaker 2: of activists and less about community representation, which is what
24:35
Speaker 2: you would expect as voters. Thank you both for your time.
24:38
Speaker 2: We'll leave it there after the break. I know you
24:40
Speaker 2: want to see her out on the campaign trail. We
24:43
Speaker 2: all do, don't we, And she'll join us in a moment.
24:45
Speaker 2: The wonderful just into namphagypre Price plus a woman looking
24:49
Speaker 2: to give Jackie Lamby a run for her money in Tasmania.
24:56
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
24:57
Speaker 2: Still the carm the Renewables House of Cars down as
25:00
Speaker 2: yet another government scraps their targets the first In recent days,
25:05
Speaker 2: the daughter of One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, has announced
25:08
Speaker 2: that she'll run for the Senate in Tasmania. Lee Hanson
25:12
Speaker 2: hopes to offer a fresh face for the party and
25:14
Speaker 2: a way forward to Tasmanians, who she says are constantly overlooked.
25:19
Speaker 2: Her outspoken Bambi is of course a famous Queensland and
25:22
Speaker 2: Lee's lived in Tazzy for about the last thirteen years
25:25
Speaker 2: and she joins me now from the capital of Hobart. Lee,
25:28
Speaker 2: welcome to the program that they say politicians choose the
25:32
Speaker 2: public life victor their family members.
25:34
Speaker 3: Certainly don't.
25:35
Speaker 2: Your mum's been a firebrand. She's copped her fair share.
25:39
Speaker 2: You are, now, though, putting your hand up to go
25:42
Speaker 2: into the lions den.
25:44
Speaker 3: Are you crazy?
25:49
Speaker 15: I've asked myself that, Peter, But no, it's time. It's
25:54
Speaker 15: time that I need to stand up and have a voice,
25:57
Speaker 15: fight for my children's future and my community men this
26:00
Speaker 15: future as well.
26:03
Speaker 2: So it can't have been easy because most people go
26:05
Speaker 2: into politics, as you know, Pollyanna, they don't understand the
26:10
Speaker 2: ups and the downs. There are plenty of ups, absolutely,
26:13
Speaker 2: but there are big, big downs and you've seen those firsthand.
26:15
Speaker 2: So you're going in with your eyes wide open. What
26:18
Speaker 2: is driving this decision? What's got so under your collar
26:21
Speaker 2: down in Tasmania that you're putting your hand up.
26:25
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've reached a point where as I said, I'm
26:29
Speaker 15: a mother of two young children and I'm actually really
26:31
Speaker 15: concerned about the future of my children. I in the
26:34
Speaker 15: thirteen years plus that I've been in Tasmania, I've seen
26:36
Speaker 15: enormous change and it has me greatly concerned. You know,
26:40
Speaker 15: everything from education systems, through to the health system, through
26:43
Speaker 15: the unaffordable cost of living, housing accessibility and affordability, amongst
26:48
Speaker 15: other things. And I do not see or have faith
26:51
Speaker 15: in the current politicians down here. I do not feel
26:53
Speaker 15: that they adequately represent our state. You could ask any
26:57
Speaker 15: of your of the community members down here to name
27:00
Speaker 15: at least three of their members of Parliament and they'd
27:02
Speaker 15: be pressed to name those three sore. If we do
27:06
Speaker 15: not know who they are, it means they're not representing us.
27:09
Speaker 15: So it's time that I put my hand up and
27:11
Speaker 15: try to represent my community members.
27:16
Speaker 2: What I always notice, and I make the point, you're
27:17
Speaker 2: up against Jackie Lamby obviously and everyone else who's running.
27:21
Speaker 2: But what I noticed about her is that Lambi tends
27:25
Speaker 2: to front the election campaigns talking and sounding like a conservative,
27:29
Speaker 2: but the moment she gets to Canberra, she more often
27:31
Speaker 2: than not votes with the Greens and with Labor. Now
27:35
Speaker 2: do you think Tasmanians have picked that up.
27:40
Speaker 15: I think they've definitely seen it. They've recognized that. For example,
27:44
Speaker 15: the salmon industry is a big hot topic down here
27:46
Speaker 15: at the moment, and I know that Jackie and the
27:49
Speaker 15: Greens have been invited to do a tour and to
27:51
Speaker 15: come and understand the salmon industry, and to my knowledge,
27:54
Speaker 15: she's not taking them up on that offer, but was
27:56
Speaker 15: happy to vote down and represent or boycott the salmon industry.
28:01
Speaker 15: Unlike myself, I've actually asked for a tour and accepted
28:05
Speaker 15: a tour later in this week because I want to
28:06
Speaker 15: understand the issues. I want to understand how I can
28:09
Speaker 15: help and support.
28:12
Speaker 2: Your mum speaks her mind, She's famous for it. I mean,
28:16
Speaker 2: do you agree with everything your mum's got to say?
28:18
Speaker 2: Will you be your own woman in the Senate if.
28:20
Speaker 3: You get there.
28:23
Speaker 15: Look, my mum has raised me with fantastic family values,
28:28
Speaker 15: so of course I have a lot of those values
28:30
Speaker 15: and strengths that my mum has to offer and agree
28:33
Speaker 15: with absolutely what she has to say. However, as a
28:36
Speaker 15: new age generation or new generation, I do test my
28:39
Speaker 15: mum's thinking like any child tests the older generation or
28:42
Speaker 15: their parent.
28:43
Speaker 10: You know.
28:44
Speaker 16: I offer a.
28:44
Speaker 15: Different perspective and new perspective the new challenges of raising
28:49
Speaker 15: children in today's era as well.
28:51
Speaker 3: So sure we have debate, but it's good debate. It's
28:54
Speaker 3: healthy debate. It's so we can.
28:56
Speaker 15: Actually see each other's perspective and come out with a
28:58
Speaker 15: better solution or better ideas. So it's healthy, it's positive.
29:02
Speaker 15: I am my own woman, but I respect and have
29:05
Speaker 15: a lot of fantastic qualities and characteristics that my mother
29:08
Speaker 15: offers as well.
29:11
Speaker 2: Well, you're very articulate, I have to say, Lee, And
29:13
Speaker 2: I know the Greens think your mum has been a
29:16
Speaker 2: thorn in their side for probably about two decades now.
29:19
Speaker 2: I'm sure that hopes she retires at some stage, but
29:21
Speaker 2: they won't be happy to know that you're putting your
29:23
Speaker 2: hand up.
29:26
Speaker 15: Well, I'm here to represent everybody, so yes, I can
29:30
Speaker 15: imagine some might see me as a thorn in their
29:33
Speaker 15: side because I equally stand up and have a voice
29:36
Speaker 15: and fight for what I'm passionate for and my colleagues
29:39
Speaker 15: and community members. But I also offer collaboration and that's
29:46
Speaker 15: the key for me. I want to work with everybody.
29:48
Speaker 15: I don't care who you are or what your background is.
29:51
Speaker 15: I will work with everybody to get better outcomes for Tasmanians.
29:57
Speaker 2: Right, good luck, Lee, love you to speak to you tonight,
30:00
Speaker 2: or let's get some other issues. This is where we
30:02
Speaker 2: come into the wonderful Justenter Price, an anti domestic violence
30:06
Speaker 2: organization which gets more than twenty million dollars in taxpayer
30:09
Speaker 2: funding for the federal government, has been called out by
30:13
Speaker 2: Senator Price today after it apparently told journalists not to
30:16
Speaker 2: suggest that violence was part of indigenous culture.
30:19
Speaker 3: The group's called Our Watch. They call themselves.
30:22
Speaker 2: Leaders in the Primary Prevention of Violence against Women and
30:26
Speaker 2: all of.
30:26
Speaker 3: That's very important.
30:27
Speaker 2: But if you have a look at their website, it's
30:29
Speaker 2: pretty clear the wheels are coming off this argument. One
30:33
Speaker 2: of the guidelines for reporting for the media on indigenous
30:36
Speaker 2: based violence advisors journalists not to quote, and this is
30:40
Speaker 2: I'm quoting them suggest violence is part of indigenous culture.
30:44
Speaker 2: Senator just Into Namjiba Price. She is the Shadow Minister
30:48
Speaker 2: for Indigenous Australians. She thinks this is rubbish, and she
30:51
Speaker 2: joins me, Now you've come out very strongly against this organization.
30:56
Speaker 2: You don't like this claim that says violence is not
30:59
Speaker 2: a part of Indigenous culture. You say the statistics are
31:02
Speaker 2: really clear, and you've even called for a review of
31:05
Speaker 2: their funding.
31:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:09
Speaker 17: Look, you know, I think this is a really important
31:13
Speaker 17: area where Indigenous women, particularly in the Northern Territory, victims
31:19
Speaker 17: of domestic and family violence in vast numbers, and the
31:23
Speaker 17: perpetrators are predominantly Indigenous men, and our Watch, the way
31:29
Speaker 17: our Watch has approached this issue has concerned me for
31:33
Speaker 17: quite a long time. Now. I know that my own mother,
31:37
Speaker 17: when she was previously in government here in the Northern Territory,
31:41
Speaker 17: attempted to have conversations with our Watch about her own
31:45
Speaker 17: lived experience as a warpery woman who was traditionally promised
31:50
Speaker 17: to be married in a polygamous marriage as a second wife,
31:55
Speaker 17: and was also subject to domestic and family and has
32:00
Speaker 17: witnessed it all her life, as has been my lived experience.
32:05
Speaker 17: And so what's deeply concerning is that our Watch are
32:09
Speaker 17: very selective as to who they are listening to in
32:12
Speaker 17: this space about this issue, and they are funded a
32:16
Speaker 17: lot of money from the federal government to carry out
32:19
Speaker 17: a job responsible for reducing violence against Indigenous women, and
32:23
Speaker 17: yet they're failing from the outset.
32:28
Speaker 3: Now you called it gas lighting.
32:29
Speaker 2: Today you're saying they're gas lighting the experience of Aboriginal women.
32:33
Speaker 2: And someone in the media, my colleague in the NT,
32:36
Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham, has reported on this for many, many years
32:39
Speaker 2: and feels very deeply about these issues. He's not one
32:43
Speaker 2: in the media who's going to read from their script either.
32:45
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
32:47
Speaker 18: You know, more than eighty women have been killed in
32:50
Speaker 18: the Northern Territory in domestic violence incidents in the past
32:54
Speaker 18: two decades, and I think about seventy eight of those
32:57
Speaker 18: women are Aboriginal and the vast majority of the perpetrators
33:01
Speaker 18: in those cases Aboriginal men. We've seen an eighty two
33:05
Speaker 18: percent increase over the last eight years in violence against
33:09
Speaker 18: women domestic violence in the Northern Territory. Again, the vast
33:12
Speaker 18: majority of the victims are Aboriginal women and the vast
33:15
Speaker 18: majority of the perpetrators are Aboriginal men.
33:18
Speaker 2: And if we don't have a factual conversation, Justina, we
33:23
Speaker 2: will never turn this around.
33:28
Speaker 10: No we won't.
33:29
Speaker 17: And you know, a recent rally that was held in
33:31
Speaker 17: Our Springs that I attended, had the representative, the indigenous
33:35
Speaker 17: representative of our Watch, speak to the crowd and tell
33:39
Speaker 17: you know, and she's not from Ala Springs or Central
33:41
Speaker 17: Australia or the Northern Territory. In fact, tell the crowd
33:46
Speaker 17: those who know that customary law that involves violent payback
33:51
Speaker 17: exists in traditional culture, but dictate to us that it
33:55
Speaker 17: doesn't exist in our own traditional culture. And in fact,
33:58
Speaker 17: this young woman is a former staffer to Adam Bant.
34:02
Speaker 17: You know, this is straight out of the Greens playbook,
34:04
Speaker 17: infantilizing Indigenous Australians, denying reality and effectively doing nothing to
34:09
Speaker 17: help support the situation on the ground.
34:12
Speaker 3: And it's not good enough.
34:15
Speaker 2: Let's go to the vexed issue of the Macarata Commission,
34:19
Speaker 2: you know, the truth telling, the treaty, the voice, which
34:22
Speaker 2: hasn't gone away. Twenty seven million dollars has been in
34:25
Speaker 2: the budget for all of these measures.
34:28
Speaker 3: People have pursued.
34:29
Speaker 2: This in estimates, we can't get a clear answer where
34:32
Speaker 2: the money is, whether it's being shoved into the contingency
34:34
Speaker 2: reserve or put into some other program. Now, we're all
34:39
Speaker 2: about to vote in a few weeks time. Australians throughout
34:43
Speaker 2: the voice. Why won't Labor give us a really clear response?
34:46
Speaker 2: Here is the voice steal in play? Is Macarata still
34:50
Speaker 2: in play? And what about the treaty because if they're
34:52
Speaker 2: not telling us that means.
34:54
Speaker 14: It is.
34:57
Speaker 17: Look exactly right, we don't know what is going on
35:01
Speaker 17: with the Albanese government. Evidently they've not heard the wishes
35:05
Speaker 17: of the Australian people. When they put that referendum to us,
35:09
Speaker 17: they talked about the principles of the Ularu Statement, which
35:13
Speaker 17: were truth, treaty and voice, and part of that was
35:17
Speaker 17: this Macarata Commission.
35:19
Speaker 3: Now, the Prime Minister at the previous.
35:22
Speaker 17: Election made a raft of election promises and never actually
35:27
Speaker 17: kept those promises. So basically we do not know what
35:32
Speaker 17: this government would do if they won the election again.
35:35
Speaker 3: We don't know.
35:36
Speaker 17: Basically they have been absolutely opaque in Senate estimates with
35:41
Speaker 17: regard to Makarata, the twenty seven million dollars that they
35:45
Speaker 17: supposedly put in a contingency and what direction they're going
35:48
Speaker 17: to take it in, always going back to speaking about
35:53
Speaker 17: the values and holding true to those values while Australians.
35:57
Speaker 3: They smoke loud and clear.
35:59
Speaker 17: They said they don't want this separatist approach and we
36:02
Speaker 17: shouldn't continue to go.
36:03
Speaker 3: Down that path.
36:05
Speaker 17: And as a result, they have failed to address anything
36:09
Speaker 17: in the Indigenous affairs space with any kind of practical,
36:13
Speaker 17: common sense way forward to improve the lives of marginalized
36:17
Speaker 17: Indigenous Australians.
36:20
Speaker 2: And look, if we want to know what Labour's agenda is,
36:23
Speaker 2: look at the left in Victoria, look at the left
36:25
Speaker 2: faction which controls the state. They've got a truth telling
36:28
Speaker 2: commission down there, the ARUK Truth Telling Inquiry. It's all
36:32
Speaker 2: part of the preparatory work for a treaty in Victoria.
36:35
Speaker 2: And they've taken valuations of all the land that's owned
36:39
Speaker 2: by churches in Victoria, Catholic, Anglican and all the other
36:42
Speaker 2: Christian churches. They've come up with a figure that the
36:44
Speaker 2: land's worth about three billion dollars and this is part
36:48
Speaker 2: of their sums in terms of compensation. So this is
36:52
Speaker 2: being set up. It's not just governments paying compensations, you center,
36:56
Speaker 2: but private entities like churches and sporting clubs go god forbid.
37:01
Speaker 2: Private homeowners forced to pay compensation under a treaty.
37:08
Speaker 3: This is exactly right.
37:09
Speaker 17: This is what you can come to expect under weak
37:12
Speaker 17: labor governments. They want to be everybody's friend, they want
37:16
Speaker 17: to say yes to everybody. They don't want to be
37:18
Speaker 17: seen as racist. And in the meantime, this whole process
37:22
Speaker 17: toward treaty is turning into just a rent seeking activity
37:27
Speaker 17: and that is exactly what is going on in Victoria.
37:30
Speaker 3: At the moment.
37:31
Speaker 17: I mean, seriously, if we treated everybody as Australians, if
37:35
Speaker 17: we supported those on the basis of need, we would
37:39
Speaker 17: avoid situations like this as opposed to blanketing everybody who
37:43
Speaker 17: is of indigenous heritage in this country. And by the way,
37:46
Speaker 17: in the last census there was an increase of twenty
37:49
Speaker 17: five percent new individuals who tick that box for the
37:52
Speaker 17: first time. So basically people know that there are ways
37:57
Speaker 17: to be able to gain a few x extra opportunities
38:02
Speaker 17: out of being able to identify as Indigenous, and that's
38:04
Speaker 17: a huge concern for the indigenous community as well.
38:07
Speaker 3: But this is what you can come to expect.
38:09
Speaker 17: As I said, from a week labor government, they're prepared
38:12
Speaker 17: to throw in Victoria all other Victorians under the bus.
38:17
Speaker 17: And these are the demands that are coming out from
38:19
Speaker 17: this process and it will not stop there. It won't
38:22
Speaker 17: stop there. They want separatism, They want to make demands
38:26
Speaker 17: on Australian people. They expect to be compensated. I mean,
38:30
Speaker 17: we're living in Australia in twenty twenty five. There's plenty
38:33
Speaker 17: of opportunity. This is the country of opportunity, the land
38:35
Speaker 17: of opportunity. Make it for yourself without trying to take
38:37
Speaker 17: it from others.
38:40
Speaker 2: My audience, I can hear them, just into this say
38:42
Speaker 2: al la lujah. We've missed her voice of common sense.
38:46
Speaker 2: Just into Navigeper Price on the campaign trail. Peter Utton
38:49
Speaker 2: needs you throw everything at it for the next four weeks.
38:53
Speaker 2: Just center and we can turn the country around with
38:56
Speaker 2: a change of government. Thank you for joining us tonight.
38:59
Speaker 2: There you guys need a din't we.
39:00
Speaker 9: There?
39:00
Speaker 2: She is on a fire after the break the state
39:03
Speaker 2: that's followed the nt to our scrap renewables targets as
39:07
Speaker 2: it blows up Chris Bowen's emissions strategy, plus a huge
39:12
Speaker 2: figure in Australia's intellectual life sadly passes away. Heyoshen to
39:22
Speaker 2: add that her autobiography is still in the top ten
39:26
Speaker 2: reads in Australia in terms of bestseller list.
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Speaker 3: So that's fantastic. Kelvirich is of course coming up.
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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, but first my panel, let's bring them in
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Speaker 2: Chief Executive of the Page Institute Jared Holland and Sai
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Speaker 2: your fellow at the Mensis Research Center. Columnist too, with
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Speaker 2: the Australian Nick Keta, gentlemen, welcome. I've got to start
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Speaker 2: with some sad us tonight.
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Speaker 17: Nick.
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Speaker 2: I'm afraid the great historian Keith Win Shuttle has sadly died.
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Speaker 2: Has been a huge figure, as you know, in the
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Speaker 2: intellectual debate in Australia. I'm on the board of Quadrant
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Speaker 2: magazine and he of course was the editor in chief
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Speaker 2: for fifteen years. A fearless man fears intellect Nick. This
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Speaker 2: is a big loss, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It is fearless, as you say, intellectually fearless. He would
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Speaker 1: take on arguments and battles that some of us would
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Speaker 1: shrink away from. He ran, in particular the long series
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Speaker 1: on the fabrication of Aboriginal history, trying to cut through
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Speaker 1: all the nonsense on that, and he was I think
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Speaker 1: a Quadrant very instrumental in building the intellectual case against
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Speaker 1: the Voice, which allowed people like you and just enterprice
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Speaker 1: you've seen to come and make a cogent persuasive case.
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Speaker 3: And of course let's not forget.
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Speaker 1: That he defended Cardinal George pell He recognized the mistrial
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Speaker 1: when he saw one. He presented a book about the
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Speaker 1: mistrial and how helped been persecuted. And he would prove
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Speaker 1: to be right on that. So a great loss, as
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Speaker 1: you say, and he leaves a tremendous legacy.
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Speaker 3: Hellwock, you're not wrong on the Voice either.
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Speaker 2: I went back on a plain Dallas Springs actually and
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Speaker 2: read a lot of his essays on our aboriginal separatism
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Speaker 2: and other things that were moving around in terms of policy,
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Speaker 2: and they were hugely instructive. Let's go to energy. We'll
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Speaker 2: start with Queensland. Of course, there was a decision by
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Speaker 2: the L ANDP government. We know this has happened in
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Speaker 2: the NT JURED. This is the first AID government to
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Speaker 2: scrap renewable targets across the board. So no more fifty
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Speaker 2: percent renewables by twenty thirty in Queensland, no more seventy
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Speaker 2: percent by twenty thirty two, no eighty percent by twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five. They absolutely mean business. We saw as I said,
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Speaker 2: this happened in the NT now it's happening in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: This is a big spanner in the works dured for
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Speaker 2: the labor federal agenda.
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Speaker 16: Well, the federal agenda was never going to hit the
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Speaker 16: targets that they set out in the first place. The
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Speaker 16: fact is we still rely on reliable coal as our
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Speaker 16: base load power. It still makes up sixty to seventy
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Speaker 16: percent of our day in, day out energy needs. And
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Speaker 16: I think Queensland is doing the right thing, as has
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Speaker 16: the NT, as is the US, as is China, as
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Speaker 16: is Indonesia, Vietnam. The list goes on of nations who
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Speaker 16: are realizing it is not worth the industrializing and continuing
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Speaker 16: to push up power prices in the pursuit of ideological fantasies.
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Speaker 16: And my hope and prayer is that our federal leaders
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Speaker 16: wake up and realize come to the same conclusion.
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Speaker 2: And of course, Nick the modeling that labor had that
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Speaker 2: this whole house of cards rests on. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: has disown that modeling. That modeling underpins everything we are
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Speaker 2: still doing. They have en update of the modeling. There's
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Speaker 2: not new modeling out there, but we're still going down
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Speaker 2: the path based on modeling they say isn't tenable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean famously. Of course he's got the two
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars off our electricity bills wrong.
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Speaker 1: But in ditching the model modeling, Albanize is also ditching
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Speaker 1: the underpinning of the whole twenty thirty targets. The idea
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Speaker 1: that we can get to eighty two percent clean power
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Speaker 1: on the grid by twenty thirty came entirely out of
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Speaker 1: this now disreputable report by Reputecs. So he hasn't announced
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Speaker 1: he's going to change the policy. So on what basis
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Speaker 1: are we doing this? I mean, how do they know
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Speaker 1: we can do it? Since the modeling they relied upon
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Speaker 1: has been thrown out the window. I think this is
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Speaker 1: really a disaster for al Benisi. They have to change direction,
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Speaker 1: but of course they're not going to do it in
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Speaker 1: the heat of an election.
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Speaker 2: At some talk last week about you know this Chinese sparship,
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Speaker 2: the research ship, research ship they call it.
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Speaker 3: What was it doing in our vicinity?
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Speaker 2: Was it trawling for signal information you know, out of
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Speaker 2: the sky in terms of our communications reports today? That
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Speaker 2: was actually surveying the Diamontena Trench near western Australia and
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Speaker 2: possibly charting a course on the floor of the ocean
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Speaker 2: in relation to submarine activities. So if they were to
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Speaker 2: bring submarines down here where they would move submarines through.
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Speaker 2: These are experts out there today giving us its information.
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Speaker 2: If this is the case, this is very serious.
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Speaker 16: It is Peter. There's an old saying that we might
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Speaker 16: not be interested in war, but war is very interested
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Speaker 16: in us. We are living through some of the most
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Speaker 16: dangerous and turbulent times geopolitically since the Cold War, since
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Speaker 16: the Second World War, and this directly impacts us in
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Speaker 16: our region in the South Pacific. There is obviously a
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Speaker 16: great power conflict between China and the US, and both
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Speaker 16: of those actors are very keen to see where we
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Speaker 16: stand and where our supply chains will lie, where our
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Speaker 16: abundance of resources will lie. In China, they're sending a
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Speaker 16: warning shot. They're letting us know they can get to us,
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Speaker 16: that we have been found toothless so far and responding
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Speaker 16: to that. And they're also testing to see what kind
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Speaker 16: of political will is there for us domestically to start
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Speaker 16: to ramp up our own industrial capacity. Look at our
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Speaker 16: fuel security, look at our energy security, and look at
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Speaker 16: our defense spending, and so far again our leaders have
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Speaker 16: been found lacking.
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Speaker 5: Nick.
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Speaker 3: This one concerns me. Sydney's La Camber Mosque is.
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Speaker 2: Lodged application to be able to broadcast the Muslim call
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Speaker 2: to prayer over loud speakers every Friday before midday. The
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Speaker 2: documents say the call of prayer is similar to those
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Speaker 2: of church bells on a Sunday morning for Mass. Now
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Speaker 2: that's fine in a Judeo Christian country such as Australia,
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Speaker 2: where you hear church bells, but the call to prayer
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Speaker 2: is something I've only ever heard when I've been in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, when I've been in places like India, India, sorry,
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Speaker 2: Indonesia or elsewhere.
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Speaker 3: How do you think the community is going to respond?
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Speaker 1: I just think they'll be very troubled by this, Peter.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not at all like church bells, church
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Speaker 1: bells or peeling of church bells. When it's done well
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Speaker 1: as it is at my church, is a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 1: People love that sound. This is a I'm sorry to
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Speaker 1: say it a faintly haunting kind of sound to me too, Peter,
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Speaker 1: because we associate it with all sorts of things abroad.
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Speaker 1: I just don't like this idea at all that you
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Speaker 1: can come in and change our culture, change our environment.
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Speaker 1: We have to do away with words like Easter, you know,
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Speaker 1: with schools are now not celebrating Easter. They don't have
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Speaker 1: the Easter bunny anymore. It's just the bunny.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 1: This is wrong. We are a judo Christian country that
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Speaker 1: we're at. That is our heritage. We should be proud
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Speaker 1: of it. We welcome people from all over the world
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Speaker 1: of whatever faith are nune, but we are primarily a
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Speaker 1: Christian country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand this is the first time a
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Speaker 2: request has been made of this scale. So once I
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Speaker 2: have to say one council, it proves that it'll be
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Speaker 2: something that'll be rolled out elsewhere. So I think this is,
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Speaker 2: you know, a bit of a line in the sand. Gents,
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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, after break, plenty of words to
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Speaker 2: get through. Kel Richards, welcome Bank joining me as he
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Speaker 2: does every Wednesday, the wonderfil Kel Richards.
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Speaker 3: Kel.
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Speaker 2: I love our viewers because they help me enormously on
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Speaker 2: all manner of things, but on this particular issue of
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Speaker 2: how to I mean, get people to really understand the
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Speaker 2: scale of some of the numbers we talk about in
47:06
Speaker 2: government spending, we get some advice. So this one, this
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Speaker 2: bit of advice comes from Mark from Sale. I think
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Speaker 2: it's fantastic. He says, a really helpful way of trying
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Speaker 2: to grasp the big numbers that politicians toss around is
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Speaker 2: to think of it in terms of time.
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Speaker 3: Take us through.
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Speaker 19: That's right, Yes, well this is a great idea because,
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Speaker 19: as we said last week, Peter, it's hard to understand
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Speaker 19: the big numbers. One thousand seconds is approximately sixteen minutes.
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Speaker 19: So that we understand that, we can picture that one
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Speaker 19: million seconds is eleven days. Now, going from sixteen minutes
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Speaker 19: to eleven days, this is exponential. This is multiplication. One
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Speaker 19: billion seconds is thirty one years. That's how fast it
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Speaker 19: starts to go go up exponentially. In fact, we know
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Speaker 19: people of Peter who are not yet thirty one years
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Speaker 19: of age. You've not yet been alive for one billion seconds.
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Speaker 19: But if you get to one trillion, a trillion is
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Speaker 19: thirty one thousand years. In other words, if we had
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Speaker 19: a debt of one trillion dollars and paid it off
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Speaker 19: at one dollar per second, it would take us thirty
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Speaker 19: one thousand years to pay it off tho. It's a
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Speaker 19: great image, but it just gives usselves small grip on
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Speaker 19: a big number.
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Speaker 2: I think that's fantastic that we all have to understand
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Speaker 2: this because you know, when I started working in politics,
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Speaker 2: million was a lot of money. Now millions hardly used.
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Speaker 2: It's billion and billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions
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Speaker 2: of those numbers are thrown around like confetti, particularly in
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Speaker 2: a campaign. Staying with campaigns, one of our Melbourne viewers
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Speaker 2: wants to know, how do we explain the origin of
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Speaker 2: the word core flute, which, of course to those political
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Speaker 2: posters we see on everyone's front fence at the moment.
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Speaker 3: This is our word.
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Speaker 19: Only in Australia are political science called core flute, and
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Speaker 19: that's because it started as a trademark put out by
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Speaker 19: corex Plastics Australia in Melbourne in nineteen seventy. They call
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Speaker 19: them core flute because they are a clever invention to
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Speaker 19: flatsheets with a corrugated or fluted bridge in the middle
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Speaker 19: to keep it rigid. So it was their company name.
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Speaker 19: Now that's become a generic word, you know, like that's
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Speaker 19: happened to lots of words like Hoover, and Biro and
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Speaker 19: heaps of them. I don't think they've objected because it
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Speaker 19: promotes their company, but only in Australia political science called
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Speaker 19: core flutes. Everywhere else they're just called annoying.
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Speaker 2: I think, ah, pretty annoying here too, Thanks very much, Kelsey.
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Speaker 2: Next week, all right, have you've got words for Kelsendan
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Speaker 2: through oswords, dot net, dot com, dot au.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me, see tomorrow. He's Andrew