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Lia Pereira / Trennt Michaud: Rocker Skating Interview · The Rocker Skating Podcast

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  Welcome to the Rockers Skating Podcast.
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  It is interview extravaganza week this week before the World
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  Championships. I have another great interview
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  for you all today it is Leah Pereira, Trent Micheaux, the
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  Canadian pairs champions here with me.
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  How have you 2 been the last few weeks since the the high of the
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  Olympics? We've been really good.
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  It's been an interesting process.
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  A lot of athletes who we've known have talked about the post
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  Olympic pre world's kind of time frame and we've heard lots of
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  different reviews of how that might feel for us.
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  We've we've been doing good. We really enjoyed our time in
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  Italy. Obviously we had a great
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  experience there and lots of lessons learned, but also our
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  team at home has been really good with managing training and
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  just keeping the enjoyment factor and but still pushing
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  hard enough to be ready for worlds.
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  But I would say it's gone by faster than expected and it's
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  been going well for training. Yeah, you had a whirlwind of an
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  Olympics for sure, starting with getting there and being like,
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  we're gonna have to do the whole team event this time.
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  Tell me about that whole experience.
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  I mean, I you were, you were obviously prepared to do
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  anything, right? You were at the Olympics, you
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  were going to do the team event anyway and you were practicing
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  and getting ready for it. But tell me about how that all
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  transpired and how that how it felt to have to really step in
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  for the team. Yeah.
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  I mean, like you said, we had already been prepared to do the
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  team event for the free, so we were already trained.
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  It's not like we were like, OK, we're going to be competing 2
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  weeks later, we're just going to be here and like kind of on the
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  upslope still. We were already, you know, ready
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  to compete realistically 2 days later.
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  We just had to add a short into it.
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  So you know, we really wanted to, you know, give it our all
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  and give it our best for Team Canada, which is really cool
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  aspect. We've never done a team event
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  and we're both very much team sport, team player people, hence
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  why we are a team. We're not skating by ourselves,
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  so it was really nice to be able to, you know, skate for your
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  country, skate for your friends and your teammates as well.
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  So I mean, also getting the chance to skate 4 times at the
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  Olympics, it's pretty that's pretty cool.
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  A lot of people don't get to go to the Olympics and that not
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  even necessarily skate four times in one Olympics.
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  So we were really honored to have that privilege.
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  And we obviously wanted to put our best foot forward for Max
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  Indiana as well, who unfortunately weren't able to be
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  there for the the team event. And yeah, we just wanted to use
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  it to the best of of our abilities to also help us moving
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  on into the individual event. And we felt ready to go because
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  our coaching staff and our team had had us prepared right for
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  when we got there. And yeah, we had a great time.
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  It was a pretty amazing experience.
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  I think the short for us all season has been such a great
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  vehicle and we've always loved training and competing it.
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  So especially when we were able to do it with our team, I think
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  we were both feeling obviously nervous for our first Olympic
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  performance, especially being part of the team event.
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  And as soon as we our names got called out for the six minute
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  warm up and we saw our team box standing and cheering and waving
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  the flags, it was just like such a confirmation of we are here,
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  we're at the Olympics and we have Team Canada behind us.
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  And I think that was a really special moment even no, it
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  wasn't really like televised or anything that you sort of
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  expected. It was just like that moment
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  that we kind of saw our team standing there.
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  It was really special. Yeah, a lot of people talk about
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  that team event dynamic being 1 so different than a lot of
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  things that, you know you've skaters generally experienced,
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  but two it's it's a different kind of atmosphere.
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  It's a different way of competing that maybe you're not
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  used to. One thing that that we've talked
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  about a lot with with other skaters as sort of like the, the
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  the order of events, you know, going first with the team event
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  or going first with the individual event.
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  I've heard both sides. I think a lot of skaters tend to
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  want to get the individual out of the way and then make the
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  team event feel a little bit like World Team trophy.
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  Curious to hear your thoughts as pair skaters.
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  Right. You, you all had about a week to
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  recover in between. What did she think about the
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  scheduling? I mean, we've never done it any
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  other way. So it's hard to say like we
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  haven't done a World Team trophy Even so to say like, you know,
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  like obviously that is not like right after worlds, but it's
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  long enough after worlds that it's, you know, different time
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  period and stuff. And we, we had the week in
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  between and we were, you know, we took the two days off
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  afterwards and did our things that we had for like planned
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  with our strength and conditioning coach and
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  everything. And we were, we felt very
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  prepared and ready to go for the that our own individual events.
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  And we felt, you know, like we would running into a competition
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  with some extra practices at the event that we were actually
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  there for. So we felt even more
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  comfortable. So yeah, it's hard to say.
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  I wouldn't, I don't, I would, I wouldn't want to say it's one or
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  the other yet because we've never done it the other way.
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  So it's it's hard to say unless you experience it, but I get
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  same thing. I get both sides of it.
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  I think we appreciate our schedule the most.
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  You know, watching the ice dancers do the team event and
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  their event right away, and even the men having two days off in
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  between, that's something that doesn't usually happen at a
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  skating competition. So I feel like we got pretty
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  lucky on our side of the scheduling.
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  By the time it was our short program day, we both looked at
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  each other, we're like, OK, like we're ready to do this all over
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  again. We had our downtime.
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  We then we had time at the practice rink and the main rink
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  still to like, you know, kind of re get into the zone and it was
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  like a really good period of time and length.
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  But yeah, I don't know, I think the team event relieved some
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  stress for us a little bit and like kind of had let us take a
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  deep breath and get comfortable. So I think I preferred it that
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  way. Like Trent said, we don't know
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  the opposite, but I think it was it was nice to feel the support
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  behind us and it felt a little bit less intense.
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  Yeah, it and you didn't have to skate on Friday the 13th, which
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  was a good thing. Tell me also about, you know,
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  the, the Olympics as it was unfolding, you know, the, the,
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  the sort of unknowns of your teammates, right?
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  Deanna and Max were sort of in limbo of like, we don't know if
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  they're coming. We don't we, we don't know if,
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  if they're going to withdraw and and then finding out that they
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  would come. How, how did the team like Team
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  Canada feel during that time? Were you all kind of in your own
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  zones or was that did that affect the team and the morale a
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  little bit? You know, I think we were all in
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  our own zones and wanting to do, you know, we, we were all there
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  to do it, to do our job. But at the same time we were had
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  talked about it like between each of us, just like at
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  different points. And you know, we are all hoping
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  for them to be better and be able to come to the event.
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  And, you know, we've been asked if we had, you know, been
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  messaging, we're talking to them and we tried to leave them with
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  their own space because, you know, mass media spreading,
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  hitting them all from all angles on this.
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  So we, that's the way we kind of tried to be had them in our
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  thoughts and we're hoping they would be there 'cause we've been
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  competing against them for, you know, this whole quad.
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  And for myself, I've been competing against Max Indiana
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  for a long time. So, you know, to see them live
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  their dream as well that we also, you know, had we both had
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  hands in each other's journeys through this experience.
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  We definitely wanted them to be there, but yeah, we tried not to
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  be, you know, we wanted them to have their own space because we,
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  I wouldn't in their shoes, I would probably want that as well
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  if we were like sitting at home trying to, you know, do this.
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  So but, you know, we all were very, really happy once they,
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  we've been told by, you know, our our team that they would be
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  coming. And it was very exciting when
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  they got there and we all finally got to take our big team
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  photo together with the rings was really nice.
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  But yeah, no, we just, I think it was, you know, just had them
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  in our thoughts the whole times and it was really nice to have
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  them there in the end. Yeah, First Olympics, right?
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  The two of you were I, I don't know, I feel like you, the 2 of
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  you, really kind of took in the experience.
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  A lot of the athletes I felt in this Olympics really took
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  advantage of the Olympic experience, the village, the
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  opening, the closing, you know, as much as they can possibly fit
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  in without, you know, sort of tiring themselves out.
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  I think also very different from four years ago when we didn't
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  have as robust of an Olympic experience because it was COVID
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  Olympics. So tell me about that.
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  Tell me about the three weeks, your favorite things, your less
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  favorite things you know, and anything that stands out to you
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  from your time in Milan. I think it was really cool, like
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  you said, because Beijing was the most recent Olympics and it
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  was kind of unknown and there was not a lot of activities
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  maybe that you could participate in.
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  We weren't there, but Maddie skis it.
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  So we train alongside, had some stories and even our coach Mike
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  Marinara, like he went to Pyeongchang and Beijing.
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  And I think even just those the past three games have been so
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  different. So heading into Milan, I kind of
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  was like asking them for advice or just like curious about what
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  their experience was like, just so that I had some expectations.
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  And then after hearing their stories and the differences of
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  what we we'd kind of heard rumblings about.
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  And Milano was like, I think we're just going to have to wait
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  until we get there and experience it in the present
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  because there's really nothing that compares.
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  Even just this Olympics, having five separate villages is
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  something completely new to the Olympics in general.
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  So it was definitely very cool to not have any expectations.
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  I thought we definitely took advantage of the opening
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  ceremonies. I mean, we competed the team
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  short on that day and we were up I think at 5:00 in the morning
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  for our 10:30 AM. Yeah.
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  It was and then by the time the team event was done that day, we
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  went back to our house. I never knew what to call that
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  thing, but our home, the village and.
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  Your dorm room. Yeah, maybe for like 2 hours and
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  then we were on the bus on the way to opening ceremonies, which
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  was super cool. Also very long.
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  But exactly what you said, like managing energy levels and like
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  knowing when to fit in a little power nap or wanting when to
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  grab a snack. Just like experiencing.
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  I think that was the most Olympic day that we could have
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  ever had was to compete in the team event for Canada and then
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  also be a part of the Olympic opening ceremonies is like
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  really cool. Yeah, I mean, I think the the
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  interesting thing, like you said there for also being the first
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  one in the Olympics since COVID, there was such a an experience
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  like throughout, I mean, you probably felt it, but like even
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  when we went out to like out of the the village or anything,
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  there were so many fans and so, so people were so excited.
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  It seemed to be there and to be watching.
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  And you saw it throughout all the events, like sold out crowds
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  at at like all the skating events, all the speed skating
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  events, everything in Milan. So it was really a great
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  experience. And it felt like what the
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  Olympics in my head had was going to be like.
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  So that was obviously really nice.
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  So you know what kind of like check off one of those boxes of
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  that. But at the same time also, I
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  just felt like the best way to describe it was like 10 year old
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  me was freaking out for three weeks and the 29 year old
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  athlete in me was at a really calm place.
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  Like it felt like we were because it's been part of the
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  plan for so long and we were prepared.
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  And also because we've gone through competitions where, you
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  know, some, some food might be different.
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  The sleeping arrangements might be weird.
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  Like you just having gone through experiences that you
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  will go into the we were going into the games of like, OK,
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  we're ready to take anything on sort of thing.
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  If we need to figure out stuff, we need to figure out stuff.
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  Luckily, we didn't really have to do that.
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  The Coc was really great. We had a really great athlete
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  lounge in our in our building for Team Canada that had a lot
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  of snacks and foods that we were all used to having daily and
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  then was a nice area for us to all hang out.
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  I mean, I spent a lot of time in there hanging out, chatting with
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  other athletes and everything, which was also part of the
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  reason, you know, of the of the Olympics and it was super
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  exciting to be there for. So yeah, I mean, on my end I
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  almost have 0 complaints. I just thought it was a great
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  experience in general. And also it was our first game,
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  so we didn't have anything to compare it to, which I also
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  think was super nice in that sense as well.
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  Yeah, I mean, everybody talks about this too when they go to
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  the Olympics. It's it's a whole different
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  thing because you're everything is amplified.
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  Your experience there is, is just like overloaded with
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  sensory stuff. But also your, the, the amount
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  of exposure that you get that figure skating gets is just
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  multiplied in like in, in such a, a different kind of order of
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  magnitude, you know, to the point where Jesse Ware gave you
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  flowers for your short program. You know, like you, you were,
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  you had you, you had those experiences that you probably
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  would otherwise not have if it weren't for the Olympics.
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  And so that short program for you, my segue is, as you were
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  saying, such a, such a special program for you.
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  And it's been, it's been a, a great program all season.
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  Tell me about the origins of that program.
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  And then also tell me about the couple of times you stated it at
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  the Olympics and you were third after the short program in the
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  individual events. So how did that all feel?
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  Music process for us is interesting.
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  We're both very passionate and we both feel very strongly about
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  the music we skate to. And that was actually one of the
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  things that I was really happy that Trent felt the same way
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  because I was very picky about music as a single skier.
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  And he is also, I wouldn't say picky, but like particular, like
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  we know how we feel when we listen to something.
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  So I think it was Madison Hubbell who sent us the piece
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  and we had listened to it. And it's funny because our coach
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  had had the same piece in a playlist for us for this year.
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  So it was like a weird full circle moment that both of them
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  had kind of seen this vision of us skating to that music, and it
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  was a really smooth and easy choreographical process.
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  With Madison Hubbell, she kind of took the lead on that and
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  she's just amazing and we look up to her very much and all that
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  whole crew in then. But it was also really cool
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  because we've been working with them for now three years, so
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  they have really got to know us as skaters.
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  We've gotten to know them. And so that process of making
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  the program was very cool, and she had kind of had like a
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  storyline already set out when they cut the music and we really
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  connected to it right away. Yeah.
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  I mean, just on one tidbit from that, like the first day we were
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  there doing choreography with Maddie and Adrian, Maddie had,
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  like Leah said, took kind of the reins for most of the program
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  and she started skating to it. And Leah and I looked at each
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  other like, oh, this is going to be good.
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  Like right away we were like, wow, this is gonna be good.
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  We're usually because she looked good, but we were like, OK, if
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  we can like even do 50% of this, this is gonna be special.
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  Yeah. So, you know, I think that was a
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  big part of 2 two things. One, that we love this program
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  so much and that it was built around how we skated while still
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  improving our own skating and trying to push ourselves.
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  Obviously because we like to be push ourselves out of our
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  comfort box. And that's how we want to
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  continually improve our skating skills because we know at the
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  end of the day, you know, that's what's going to put us in the
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  top group. That's we can all we can all do
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  the elements in senior. It's the those extra little
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  pieces that actually little skating that'll put us in the
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  top group. So we are always continually
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  trying to work on that. And that's also like one of the
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  things that we both love about skating, Like we both have
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  fallen in love with skating because of performances by other
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  people. So we want to give that to fans,
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  the judges, everyone. So that's part of it.
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  But also at the same time, when we did Stars last year, we
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  pretty much did, we did a short every show.
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  So we did one of our programs had a twist side by side jump, a
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  throw, a lift and a death spiral in it.
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  So we just didn't do side by side spin.
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  Not as fun show skating, you know, So you know, yeah.
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  So we that I think I'd also really helped us going into this
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  season because we were like, you know, it's shows you travel in
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  the we did some shows where we traveled that night to the
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  venue. So it's like, you know, we got
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  to figure this out. We want to put this down and
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  show the audience, you know, this great program that we've
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  done. So that helped us take that like
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  confidence from from stars into the performance of this.
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  And I also think stars just made us better performers once again,
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  getting to be out there with, you know, some of the great,
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  some great performers and working with Kurt, getting to
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  watch Elvis, working with Jason, like being a part of the cast
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  with Jason Brown. You know, just some people who
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  are like such standout stars in the the actual skating aspect
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  really helped us. Like, we just tried to take as
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  much as that into the season as we could and just keep
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  developing and throughout the season.
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  And, you know, really trying not to just be like, oh, this is
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  good. OK, We're here.
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  Like we, we just even if it's a little bit, we got to get the
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  little bits like and continue with that Like so I think that
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  we did a really great job with the short, obviously was one of
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  the stand up performances for the season for us, but also just
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  taking that into our own skating in general.
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  Yeah, I mean that you you talk about the continuous desire to
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  push yourselves forward and and so forth.
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  The two of you got together in 2022 and then like months later
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  we're 6th at worlds and and that was a very like big start to the
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  two of you as a pair. Take me back the last four years
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  because the the last four years has been interesting in not only
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  in the two of you kind of growing up in as a pair, but in
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  the pairs in general across the world where the the level of
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  pair skating continue to go up every single year.
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  And you've had to figure out how to kind of craft your own space
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  in the world of pairs, right. And and there were times when
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  maybe sometimes it felt a little bit stagnant and then you found
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  a new gear and you pushed yourself further.
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  Tell me about some of the like highlights and where you felt
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  like the last four years you were able to really get yourself
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  into a different level. Yeah, it's very interesting
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  going back and thinking about it and just like even watching old
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  programs where we were like, yes, we are so good.
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  And now I look, yeah. We're rock stars and.
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  I'm like, or, you know, sometimes we get comments like,
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  oh, you can really see their newness in the skating.
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  And I'm like, what are these people talking about?
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  Like, we look great. And I'm like, OK, clearly we
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  were new. Clearly we've improved a lot,
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  yeah. But it was, it is very nice to
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  look back on. And yes, coming 6th at our first
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  worlds was something that I was not expecting.
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  I think I was like extremely naive to what all of that was
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  about. We had done our first
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  international, I guess in the fall, Croatia.
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  December, yeah. December and we had placed third
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  with like a throw double S how I think actually we did 2 throw
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  double S. Two throw double s.
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  Yeah, we just did triple twists and jumps.
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  But yeah, I think actually partially looking back on our
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  old skating is one of the things that really inspired us to come
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  back to Gladiator. I don't know if this is the
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  proper time to segue into this, but.
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  Let's talk about it, yeah? We usually our team will in the
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  month of December. This year we didn't make Grand
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  Prix Final, which we were hoping to do, but we know that the
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  season can be very long. So we kind of took December as
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  like a bit of a refresh. And so our coach Allison had us
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  skating to different pieces of music, same program, same
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  layout, just skating to different pieces of music.
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  Kind of just to re spark some of the choreography highlights,
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  just to kind of like maybe move differently.
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  And the one day she kind of came in with like a little smirk on
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  her face and clicked Gladiator. And we were like, what?
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  So we skated our mission long program to our old Gladiator
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  piece and we were like, wow, this is we really resonated with
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  this music and we loved it so much.
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  And we feel like we've grown so much as skaters and performers
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  that this is something that maybe we want to bring back.
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  And that was not even the intention at all.
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  We had no intention of changing our music.
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  We had just kind of really felt something.
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  And so the next day we came in and we skated it again.
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  And then we kind of started changing some transitions and
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  had a talk with our team, the three of us, and then got some
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  outside little opinions on just if we felt like it was a good
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  idea and we really did. So we kind of just like started
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  right away of just like re jigging the program.
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  And yeah, I think it was a really cool process for us just
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  because we have like expanded our performance range and we
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  have, you know, lengthened our skating, We're faster.
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  We kind of like still felt that passion towards that music and
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  almost felt like Gladiator never really had its moment.
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  Like we, I mean, we won Grand Prix de France that year, We
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  made it to final. We had a lot of accomplishments
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  within that season, but we just felt like it needed like one
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  more staple of a of a performance and that we still
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  had some stones unturned and it was a really cool process.
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  And aside now I was very excited for a Part 2 of the gladiator
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  dress because that's one of my favorites.
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  So I was like I need to not. Make there.
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  Was vision based on the fact that I want a new dress?
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  Let me let me decide that this is the program and not just
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  about the new dress. I will give it to her.
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  She did say that out loud. She's like, OK, what?
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  Hold up. I got to take myself out of this
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  for a second. I don't need.
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  It's not about the dress, OK? They're like, OK, that's fair.
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  Because I'm proud of you for saying that.
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  It is, but it isn't right? It is, but it isn't.
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  At the Olympics you had a a a great skate in the team event.
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  You probably wanted a little bit better in the, in the free
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  skate, in the individual event, but still like those four
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  programs that you did there were some of the the the best ones of
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  your career. I mean, under that, under the
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  pressure, under the, the, the, the sort of occasion of it.
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  All right, how does it feel now that you are bonafide Olympians?
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  You are able to go to a tattoo parlor and say, give me those
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  rings. There it is.
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  There it is. How does it feel now that do you
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  go into your, what, 4th World Championships together?
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  Do you go into that with a different kind of motivation
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  now? Yeah, I definitely think you
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  know it. There's a level of confidence
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  that we can take we from the Olympics and from nationals and
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  we took that confidence from nationals into the Olympics and
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  it helped us a lot. And we're excited to take the
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  Olympic experience we had into worlds and for the same thing.
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  And, you know, it's really it is really cool outside of the
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  skating fact, one of the things that I found that was really,
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  really cool about this whole Olympic experience is, you know,
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  just seeing the amount of joy that random strangers have felt
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  from watching the Olympics and like just even being out and in
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  town, whatever. And people recognizing you and
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  say, you know, thank you so much for your performances and
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  representing the country so well and seeing like that legitimate
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  joy in their eyes and their face and at that part has been really
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  cool. So that also, I think, you know,
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  we carry that with us too, because that was part of what we
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  wanted to do and what we still want to do.
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  So we're like, yeah, OK, let's do that.
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  It like we can do that more. Like there's still some left in
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  the tank. It's not like you know, every,
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  it was the best performances we we could ever do or ever hope
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  for that. There were some really great
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  things in both of them. And obviously, you know, we are
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  very happy with all them, but we have some we we feel like we can
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  still give a little bit more and do a little bit more.
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  So I think we're excited to have that opportunity to do that
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  again. But also take that, you know,
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  those tools that we learned from the Olympics and from nationals
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  with us, because that's what, you know, as I think one of our
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  greatest strengths is that we good, bad, ugly, amazing.
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  We take those tools and put them in our toolbox and we use them
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  for whenever we need to down the road.
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  And we're, we just threw more stuff into our toolbox that's
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  going to be really helpful for us at worlds and you know, down
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  the line. So we're really excited to, you
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  know, be walking into worlds as Canadian champions and Canadian
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  Olympians. As performers, you're always
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  wanting to improve, and Trent and I kind of get in this hole
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  sometimes of even competing really well or training really
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  well. And the first thing we bring up
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  is what we want to do better. And I think that part of me and
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  us trying to really like, stay proud and excited of our
• 25:52
  performances. We lived it, we experienced it,
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  We felt proud sitting in that kiss and cry.
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  It didn't matter what the scores had said.
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  We knew how we skated and that we prepared as best we could to
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  get up to that moment. So I mean, in most cases, then
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  we sat in the kiss and cry and we're also extremely proud of
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  the score that we were able to put out.
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  But we recognize that that's out of our control.
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  So we really try to focus on the fact of what we can control and
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  how we're going to put ourselves in the best position to do that.
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  But all that being said as well, I really tried to not go back
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  and watch our performances for a while because I really just
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  wanted to sit with how it felt rather than what it looked like.
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  I have now. I think it was maybe only a week
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  ago, gone back and watched and have been able to kind of, you
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  know, highlight some things that we can improve on and we can
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  really just perfect before worlds.
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  And I think that's kind of like the perfect balance of just like
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  feeling the performance, feeling all the emotions associated with
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  that, and then allowing space for us to just sit with that and
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  then to kind of get into like the athletes and perfectionism
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  in US at a later date. So I think we did a really good
• 27:04
  job of that as well, just like being present and enjoying the
• 27:07
  moment of all four performances. Well, back to Europe for the two
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  of you and to the rest of the skating community next week for
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  the World Championships. Excited to see you and best of
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  luck with the rest of your training and your travels going
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  over there. Awesome.
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  Thanks, Jackie. Thanks for having us on OF.
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  Course. Bye.
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  Thank you.