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Disney's Original Imagineer Bob Gurr · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 1: You're listening to k I AM six forty. The Bill
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Speaker 2: Happy Friday to you. It is July third. We celebrate
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Speaker 2: two things on July third round here. It's the day
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Speaker 2: before Independence Day two hundred and fifty years tomorrow, and
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Speaker 2: July third we celebrate Shannon Farrin's birthday. She'll be coming
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Speaker 2: in with Gary just under an hour from now. Stick
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Speaker 2: around for that, And of course Monks and Merrill are
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Speaker 2: live today as well. Is Mark Thompson in for John
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Speaker 2: again today? Do we know that I was listening to
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Speaker 2: Mark T yesterday? I'm going to assume that he is
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Speaker 2: back for him today, but we shall see. But right now,
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Speaker 2: what a treat. I've interviewed this man a couple of times.
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Speaker 2: He is is He is somebody that is like an onion,
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Speaker 2: the more you peel, the more you appreciate. And I
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Speaker 2: just read something about him recently, saw an interview and
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Speaker 2: I responded to whoever posted it that the more I
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Speaker 2: learned about this guy, the more I love him, the
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Speaker 2: more of a treasure I find him to be. He
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Speaker 2: just is my type of person, hands on, philosophical, insightful,
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Speaker 2: and his name is Bob Gurr. The movie we're going
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Speaker 2: to be talking about is called Bob ger Living by Design.
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Speaker 2: It's a feature length documentary. It celebrates this man's life.
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Speaker 2: He is a legendary Disney imagineer and beyond. Quite honestly,
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Speaker 2: do I find that fascinating?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Is it the most fascinating thing about him? This is
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Speaker 2: what got me? No, that's what's weird. Me a big
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Speaker 2: fan of you know, creativity and all these things, and
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Speaker 2: that's not the most impressive thing about the guy. It's
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Speaker 2: directed by Frank Woodward. He's with us too, and it's
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Speaker 2: coming to PBS. So PBS is lets make sure you yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're good. So that's coming, and so I wanted to
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Speaker 2: bring these gentlemen on to talk about it. Frank, why
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Speaker 2: don't we start with you as the director, to give
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Speaker 2: a little synopsis about how what sparked this desire to
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Speaker 2: do this film for you?
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Speaker 4: Well, the desire to do the film came from these
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Speaker 4: early discussions that Bob and I had about doing something
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Speaker 4: about Bob. Bob is extremely well known for all of
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Speaker 4: his accomplishments at Disney, for sure. So we were told
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Speaker 4: by his manager and also fellow producer Ernie Alonso, that
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Speaker 4: we should have a documentary about Bob, but we should
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Speaker 4: probably go talk to Bob about it.
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Speaker 3: How'd that go? Well?
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Speaker 5: Well, my side of the directorship and the movie businesses.
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Speaker 5: For years, I've been plastered all over YouTube with homemade videos.
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Speaker 5: I just tended a lot of panels from Disney and
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Speaker 5: the other where we're sitting on a table answering questions,
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Speaker 5: a lot of blogs and zooms. You know, you can
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Speaker 5: just kind of get worn out, same informity, but dumb
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Speaker 5: questions over and over. And this fellow sitting on my
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Speaker 5: couch in my living room because he warmed his way
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Speaker 5: into my life over a couple of years by not
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Speaker 5: understanding the word no, I'm not interested. But he had
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Speaker 5: two other guys with him. They ganged up on me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we came in like a full force.
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Speaker 2: I find you to be from our interactions, and we've
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Speaker 2: had some really great time to talk. I've also had
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Speaker 2: time to talk with Frank and Ernie of course. And
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Speaker 2: is it humility or is it you just don't want
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Speaker 2: to bother with it?
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Speaker 5: No, it's it's sort of a sum of everything. Let's say,
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Speaker 5: over a long time, from the time I was a
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Speaker 5: little kid. You know, you're supposed to have hearings heroes.
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Speaker 5: Some of them are aviation. But over time people would say, well,
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Speaker 5: who's your heroes, and I'd have to pause. There are
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Speaker 5: so many people I've worked with or met or read
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Speaker 5: about in history. All these amazing people have done all
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Speaker 5: these things. So somehow I am sort of adulation proof.
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Speaker 5: In other words, when somebody directs that kind of attention
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Speaker 5: to me, it's like, thank you, sirs are very kind words.
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Speaker 5: When I know there's other people and I've been with them, somebody,
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Speaker 5: somebody wants to make a movie about you. Oh my goodness,
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna call all my friends. I'm and some are
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Speaker 5: some are to me that did not. It did not.
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Speaker 5: It's just not of much interest. It was not necessarily
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Speaker 5: a no per se. It was just no because of
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Speaker 5: the general experience that I had had with people.
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Speaker 3: At ninety four years of age.
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Speaker 2: Now you're like, nah, I've got stuff to do. It's funny, Bob,
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Speaker 2: because as much as a Walt Disney fan I am
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Speaker 2: and have been for so long, after meeting you and
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Speaker 2: spending time with you, I have a feeling that if
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Speaker 2: I were ever to go back in time meet Walt Disney,
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Speaker 2: I asked him what it was like to work with you,
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Speaker 2: because I'd be like, yeah, yeah, you know, I've learned
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Speaker 2: so much. We'll get into more when we come back.
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Speaker 2: The Fascinating Life of Bob Gerr, Living by Design is
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Speaker 2: the feature late documentary you can find on PBS right now.
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Speaker 4: It's our actually premiere is on the seventeenth of July.
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Speaker 4: Gotcha on PBS SOCOW and on the PBS app, so
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Speaker 4: anybody anywhere can see it on the app.
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Speaker 2: I saw that they were promote voting it, and I
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Speaker 2: thought that it might be already out and we'll talk
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Speaker 2: to this ninety.
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Speaker 3: Four year old young man and all.
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Speaker 2: The things he's done that you couldn't possibly know about.
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Speaker 2: So go nowhere LIKFI Am six forty live everywhere on
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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody, Neil Servader in the morning
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Speaker 2: crew with you today the day before Independence Day, two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years of the great experiment that we
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Speaker 2: get to enjoy, even you know, warts and all, we
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Speaker 2: have been able to do some really great things in
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Speaker 2: this country due to our freedoms, and the most important thing,
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Speaker 2: the ability to build your own path. And what a
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Speaker 2: way to celebrate that that a man who has built
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Speaker 2: his own path in a way that amazes me. I've
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Speaker 2: had the pleasure of chatting with him many times now,
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Speaker 2: and each time I learned something new. Bob Gerr is
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Speaker 2: with us. He is a legendary disney imagineer, one of
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Speaker 2: the first helped build Disneyland. Anything on wheels, as they say,
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Speaker 2: anything that moves that is on wheels at Disneyland. He
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Speaker 2: built the Mattahorn thrown into that at the Monorail. The
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Speaker 2: Doom Buggy was designed by him. The Autopia, you know,
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Speaker 2: all the cars on Main Street that you see. They
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Speaker 2: may look old and specific, but they underneath that hood
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Speaker 2: is reason and engineering beyond what we think about. Well,
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Speaker 2: his full feature length documentary celebrating his life thus far
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Speaker 2: in these ninety four years is called Bob Gerr Living
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Speaker 2: by Design, directed by Frank Woodward, who was kind enough
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Speaker 2: to join us today as we talk about that film,
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Speaker 2: which is coming to PBS on the seventeenth of July,
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Speaker 2: so you can get it, watch it on the app,
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Speaker 2: you can watch it on PBS California, and all of
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Speaker 2: those things. And I highly recommend it. I was there
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Speaker 2: for the premiere and it was. It was heartwarming, it
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Speaker 2: was funny, it was insightful, and he's with us today.
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Speaker 3: Well it was it was Bob.
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Speaker 2: I mean.
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Speaker 4: That was the thing I wanted to make sure I captured,
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Speaker 4: is that we got a sense of who Bob is
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Speaker 4: as a person and as a man. Yes, he's very accomplished,
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Speaker 4: but some of the insights and enjoy you get into
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Speaker 4: knowing him is just by sitting and talking to him.
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Speaker 4: One of the best compliments I got from people who
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Speaker 4: know you, Bob, like from justin' scard and everything like that.
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Speaker 4: It's like, my god, you captured what it's like to
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Speaker 4: be with Bob for an afternoon, and that's.
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Speaker 2: And just talking about it. You know, it's funny. At Justin,
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Speaker 2: who I met at the premiere and I was a
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Speaker 2: fan of his work, turns out that he's a fan
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Speaker 2: of the station and the show as well. So he
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Speaker 2: and I have become good friends since that as well. So, Bob,
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Speaker 2: I get that people are going to want to ask
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Speaker 2: you about Walt because twelve years you had a very
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Speaker 2: intimate relationship, driving with him, flying with him, and all
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Speaker 2: these things.
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Speaker 3: I want to get into your life.
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Speaker 2: But I want you to sum up one thing that
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Speaker 2: impacted you about who Walt Disney was.
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Speaker 5: Walt Daisy was in a way two extremes. When he
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Speaker 5: would be dealing with Germans of the border, large companies
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Speaker 5: who were trying to sell Epcot sponsorship, or when he's
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Speaker 5: talking to his gardener, or he's talking to his buddy
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Speaker 5: Dick Nixon. I noticed the tone of voice and the
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Speaker 5: language was identical. That was a big impression that he
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Speaker 5: was not impressed by other people in a strong way,
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Speaker 5: but he respected the level that everybody was. So when
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Speaker 5: I seen him talking in the model shop, talking to
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Speaker 5: the imagineers, to anybody around the studio, that tone of
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Speaker 5: voice is always the same, which meant in some cases
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Speaker 5: his level of knowledge was way above somebody in the
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Speaker 5: model shop. Wilets say he never talked down to anybody.
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Speaker 5: I think that is a key point that any business
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Speaker 5: person should remember. Never talk down, because that way you
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Speaker 5: leave that person literally alone in their level of a
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Speaker 5: conversation with a Walt isn't And the reverse then is
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Speaker 5: that that person has to get easy dealing with a
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Speaker 5: person that appears to be the high level by the
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Speaker 5: working for him, and you gradually bring Waltz talking to
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Speaker 5: you down to a level that matches you and the
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Speaker 5: other side of it. The Vice President of the United
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Speaker 5: States is a dear friend, and the guy calls him
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Speaker 5: Dick Nixon. In that same level, there's a leveling that's automatic,
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Speaker 5: that gives respect to everybody that he's dealing with.
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Speaker 2: But I imagine he had to push at times to to
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Speaker 2: get things done.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. One of the examples is a movie. A movie
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Speaker 5: premiere always has the full credits at the end, and
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Speaker 5: all the people work to a movie. They sit till
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Speaker 5: the end of this long line of fine print, and
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Speaker 5: one fellow made the mistake of going to Walt and said,
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Speaker 5: you know, I worked very hard for you, and you
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Speaker 5: never put my name on the credits. And Walt snapped
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Speaker 5: at him and said, my name is on the door.
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Speaker 5: Don't ever forget it. Oh, that's that's how Walt would
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Speaker 5: snap when snap was necessary. The first time I heard
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Speaker 5: him use a four letter word, it sort of startled me.
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Speaker 5: I couldn't visualize a Walt Disney speaking a four letter
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Speaker 5: word about a children's attraction.
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Speaker 3: But I got used, and he's gonna leave us. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: And which four letter word I have my guesses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get Let's get the news now with Amy
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Speaker 2: King and we'll be back more with legendary image Disney
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Speaker 2: imagineer Bob Gerr and director Frank Woodward. So go nowhere.
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Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Neil Sevadra here with the Morning crew,
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Speaker 2: and tomorrow, of course fourth of July, and I hope
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Speaker 2: that you are being safe and enjoying it with your
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Speaker 2: family and friends. Today we are talking with Bob Gerr.
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Speaker 2: The documentary is called Bob Gerr Living by Design, feature
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Speaker 2: length documentary, and it celebrates his life. He's a legendary
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Speaker 2: Disney imagineer, of course, but beyond that his insights on
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Speaker 2: vehicles and you know, twelve years with Disney, but also
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Speaker 2: more with your own company and doing One of my
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Speaker 2: favorite rides was the King Kong Experience at Universal, which
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Speaker 2: unfortunately burned down. But the documentary is directed by Frank Woodward,
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Speaker 2: who's here with us as well, and it will start
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Speaker 2: airing on PBS California on the seventeenth of July. I
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Speaker 2: encourage you to watch it there on the app. You
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Speaker 2: could watch it as well if you're listening from outside
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Speaker 2: of California. Right now, we're talking to these two gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: and Bob was telling us stories about Walt Disney, who
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Speaker 2: I am fascinated by. But I have grown very fond
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Speaker 2: of getting the opportunity to chat with Bob. Insights about
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Speaker 2: vehicles and aviation and stuff blow me away. I've got
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Speaker 2: some basic questions about that. Cars today, What are they
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Speaker 2: doing right? What are they doing wrong?
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Speaker 5: Cars have morphed into what we call a compliance product,
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Speaker 5: in which, if you go back in America, back into
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Speaker 5: the seventy four, seventy five, not past eighty, there were
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Speaker 5: some sexy, good looking, long, useless, slobbering, dangerous cars. I
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Speaker 5: think Pindhead, Bonneville, Buick two twenty four, stuff like.
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Speaker 2: That, the Buick that if you stop too quick it
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Speaker 2: would split your head on the steel.
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Speaker 5: We forgot what glorious are These gargantuan dinosaurs were really like,
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Speaker 5: That's why car shows are so good. I went to
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Speaker 5: one the other day, four hundred and forty eight cars
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Speaker 5: of every kind of generation and country, and that they
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Speaker 5: stuck out like sore thumbs today. When somebody asked me
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Speaker 5: about car styling, because I was started as a car
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Speaker 5: stylist the Ford Motor Company when I was twenty years
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Speaker 5: old after graduating from the Art Center School, my simple
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Speaker 5: answer is, all BMW's are white refrigerators with wheels on
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Speaker 5: the bottom.
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Speaker 2: Tell us how you really.
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Speaker 5: Feel the problem with compliance cars. You have what's called
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Speaker 5: the package. There's dimensional points all over that car, inside
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Speaker 5: and out that have to meet a federal specification. Then
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Speaker 5: within that there's a little tiny details all over the
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Speaker 5: car inside and out as another set of specifications. If
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Speaker 5: you sat down or draw a line between every one
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Speaker 5: of those points, you are not creating beauty or art.
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Speaker 5: You are complying with a set of regulations. In contemporary times,
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Speaker 5: in two thousand all the way to the present, if
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Speaker 5: you look at all the different cars, there's one line
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Speaker 5: of cars that have not changed in about fourteen years, Tesla.
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Speaker 5: Because the designer of the Tesla, Franz van Huldhausen, lays
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Speaker 5: his own hands in warm clay designing a body of
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Speaker 5: a car, and you can feel the car. That car
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Speaker 5: has never changed. I think must is scared to ever
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Speaker 5: change it now, because as time goes on. Everybody's gotten ugly,
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Speaker 5: and that car sits as the last pure handfelt body
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Speaker 5: of a car in America.
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Speaker 2: Do they still do that clay work these days?
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's a combination with the computer. Obviously, get to
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Speaker 5: the production stages. It's all in the computer. But the
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Speaker 5: problem is you'll have a young designer that's a computer illustrator.
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Speaker 5: He can make a good look in anything. And then
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Speaker 5: I asked the kid. I says, that's sexually looking car.
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Speaker 5: Now do one thing for me. You're out the door,
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Speaker 5: it's hinges open and closed, and show me how the
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Speaker 5: window goes down. And they said, no, that was not
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Speaker 5: my assignment. There's more to an automobile besides what it
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Speaker 5: has to be and the desire to have it be
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Speaker 5: beautiful art in general. Over a great number of years,
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Speaker 5: the Italian cars had the feel American cars, some of
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Speaker 5: them in the nineteen thirties had the field a Douzenberg,
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Speaker 5: a Dusenberg speedster designed by my friend when I knew
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Speaker 5: him in Detroit, Gordon Bury. All these guys are gone.
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Speaker 5: Everything is done by computer and compliance.
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Speaker 2: And so that coldness translates to the design. Yeah, you
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Speaker 2: couldn't see you can see cars on the street. We
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Speaker 2: got a shot at the you know one out here,
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Speaker 2: and they almost all look the same.
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Speaker 4: I can tell a BMW from a Hundai or anything
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Speaker 4: like that. They start the same boxy shape.
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Speaker 2: What about the switch from the grill with BMW? Most recently,
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Speaker 2: that front grill that was iconic has now become this.
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Speaker 5: I do not like horror movies, and I do not
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Speaker 5: like horror design in the front of a being his
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Speaker 5: horror design.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be back with more. Bob Gerr and Frank Woodward.
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Speaker 2: The Frank is the director of Bob Gerrs Living by Design,
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Speaker 2: feature length documentary celebrating the life of this brilliant man
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Speaker 2: who obviously has no problem speaking his mind as well
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Speaker 2: as his art and his emotions into those things as well.
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Speaker 2: Legendary Disney imagineer also a builder of many things we'll
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Speaker 2: get into as well as we wrap up our conversation
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Speaker 2: today before Gary and Shannon come along. Bob ger Living
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Speaker 2: by Design Now. It will be airing on July seventeenth
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Speaker 2: on PBS California as well as on their app. So
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Speaker 2: if you're listening from somewhere else, stick around. We'll be
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Speaker 2: back with more. Neil Savedra and the morning crew. This
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Speaker 2: KFI heard everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. KFI AM six
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Speaker 2: forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Happy Friday Morning
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Speaker 2: to you, July third, the eve of Independence Day, twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six, which just happens to be our two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fiftieth birthday. Happy Birthday, America. You look great. No
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Speaker 2: need for plastic surgery just yet. I am having a
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Speaker 2: wonderful chat with two gentlemen they've been on the show before,
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Speaker 2: having them back. Bob Gerr. Living by Design is the
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Speaker 2: name of the feature length documentary celebrating the life of
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Speaker 2: this legendary Disney imagineer and beyond. I might say he
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Speaker 2: is here with us, along with director Frank Woodward, and
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Speaker 2: it's it's a neat film.
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Speaker 3: I got to see it.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, has it been a year. So it's been a
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Speaker 2: year since it came out in the theaters and now
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Speaker 2: it is going to be on PBS starting PBS California
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Speaker 2: starting on the seventeenth of this month, and so you
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Speaker 2: can see it on PBS California or on the app.
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Speaker 2: You can watch it if you're out of there. Frank,
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Speaker 2: the director a question for you when it comes to
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Speaker 2: because you direct other things as well. Documentary is a
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Speaker 2: different animal.
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Speaker 4: For sure, Yes, I mean there are common threads, but yes,
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Speaker 4: definitely different.
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Speaker 2: So how do you how do you step back and
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Speaker 2: allow something? How do you direct silently when you're when
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Speaker 2: you're wanting to get natural conversation.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's all about starting a conversation like you would in.
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Speaker 3: Life as I as I see it.
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Speaker 4: You ask a question or you bring up a topic,
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Speaker 4: even if it's something as simple as what do you
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Speaker 4: think of that car over there? And it's a starting
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Speaker 4: point for a conversation, and then you just have to
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Speaker 4: listen and here where it's going to go. Now, if
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Speaker 4: you're a documentary filmmaker, you're also thinking of how you're
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Speaker 4: going to edit it together and how it's going to
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Speaker 4: fit in. I mean, you never really start a documentary
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Speaker 4: cold without any idea of where it's going to got
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Speaker 4: to have a beginning mentally, Yeah, you know what kind
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Speaker 4: of story and what things you want to touch on,
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Speaker 4: So you're listening for those things. But the trick is
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Speaker 4: if a topic comes up that's not what you planned
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Speaker 4: to write it out. Because the good thing about documentary
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Speaker 4: is a lot of it's built in the editing room.
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Speaker 4: So when you're around the world with somebody like Bob
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Speaker 4: and he's telling you these stories, and he's taking you
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Speaker 4: down avenues that you didn't think about, you follow him
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Speaker 4: and you record it because there could be gold and
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Speaker 4: then our hills.
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Speaker 2: Sure, and you don't want to It's like a scientist.
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Speaker 2: You you want to observe, don't want to interact too much.
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Speaker 2: There's a great way of putting it. Yeah, now that's fascinating.
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Speaker 2: And because there's so many places to go. So you
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Speaker 2: Bob did two hundred and fifty different projects, you say,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and for Walt Disney and one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty for other clients of your prod of your own company.
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Speaker 2: What are some of those projects? We talked about the
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Speaker 2: King Calling experience in Universal. What are some other projects
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Speaker 2: that you had your hand in designing?
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Speaker 5: Well, one of them was nineteen eighty four closing ceremony
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Speaker 5: of the Olympics in Los Angeles. A fellow had started
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Speaker 5: with an idea for a fifty foot diameter flying saucer
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Speaker 5: and the job collapsed a few weeks before the event,
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Speaker 5: and the job was handed to me as a basket
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Speaker 5: case with some vendors making parts, nobody had been paid
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Speaker 5: and no idea of a structure for it. And I
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Speaker 5: had an idea for a structure. I had a friend
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Speaker 5: with a small shop. I'll draw drawings fast. You helped
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Speaker 5: build it, and then we built it and tested it
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Speaker 5: all in about five weeks start to finish, and it
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Speaker 5: crashed on the day before it was supposed to be
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Speaker 5: put into practice. Those things would scare some people, but
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Speaker 5: the fact that we plod along making sure everything we
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Speaker 5: draw pictures of, buy and stick together and test is sensible,
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Speaker 5: even though the whole thing in the hole is completely crazy.
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Speaker 5: And of course opening night it works. We had a helicopter.
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Speaker 5: I bought a black cable one hundred feet long, hired
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Speaker 5: two police helicopters with the lights, and the fa let
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Speaker 5: us paint our helicopter black with no lights. So people
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Speaker 5: in the ninety thousand people in the coliseum only saw
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Speaker 5: a flying saucer. A flying saucer.
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Speaker 2: Where's that thing today?
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Speaker 5: It was a bunch of parts. We just took it
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Speaker 5: apart and threw it away.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you're killing me as someone who great stills of
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Speaker 4: it being built, though they killing me.
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Speaker 5: You see, there'll be an entremeur in this case, it
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Speaker 5: was David Walper was in charge of the show, and
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Speaker 5: he had another famous company to get it started, and
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Speaker 5: then somehow the ball just got dropped and it came
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Speaker 5: down on my line.
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Speaker 4: What I love about that project, though, Bob, is that
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Speaker 4: if you watch, if you look at the stills that
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Speaker 4: like we found in your collection of the building of
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Speaker 4: it during daylight, what I love about it is that
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Speaker 4: you clearly were designing it with the show in mind,
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Speaker 4: because you knew it was going to be seen at night.
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Speaker 4: You knew it was going to be see up up
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Speaker 4: high above and you look at it on the ground
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Speaker 4: and you're just kind of like, well, what is that exactly?
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Speaker 4: But you see it in performance in the show and
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Speaker 4: it's a UFO over the coliseum.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. See, the flying Saucer was just as you described.
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Speaker 5: Everything is said that I have to make drawings off
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Speaker 5: and guide the designing and building testing has to be real.
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Speaker 5: In my mind, this is serious stuff. But we knew
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Speaker 5: what it was going to do. And one of the
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Speaker 5: things you want to do is like magic, you do
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Speaker 5: something that nobody expects. And of course one of the
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Speaker 5: things is has never been done. Okay, so it's all
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Speaker 5: new and it startles everybody just on amerit. Then the
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Speaker 5: more they look at it. There's something in the human mind.
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Speaker 5: You see something that says, oh, that reminds me of
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Speaker 5: when that reminds me, Oh, gosh, Now look what it's.
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Speaker 5: Oh that reminds me of this, that reminds me of that.
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Speaker 5: You lead somebody's mind by about five seconds and don't
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Speaker 5: let them catch up. That's the trick of illusion with machinery.
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Speaker 2: Last question, have you ever said no, that's impossible or
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Speaker 2: I can't do that.
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Speaker 5: No, you never say no. You just don't. What if
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Speaker 5: the thing worked out that scares you? You might miss
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Speaker 5: a golden opportunity. So I learned it. Never say no,
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Speaker 5: And I only had a few the part way into
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Speaker 5: the job. I'd have to say no because things that
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Speaker 5: were not fully revealed, and I said, yes, gotcha, Yes,
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Speaker 5: you had to be very careful of that. I walked
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Speaker 5: away from an eight million dollar job one day just
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Speaker 5: because of that.
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Speaker 2: Well still standing, so obviously not too big of a problem.
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Speaker 5: No, it was finally improved and replaced by another attraction.
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Speaker 3: I will leave with that.
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Speaker 2: Bob Gerr Living by Design, feature length documentary celebrating the
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Speaker 2: life of legendary Disney Imagineer, Bob Gerr and beyond. I
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Speaker 2: will tell you there is so much about this man
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Speaker 2: and so many different layers. Directed by Frank Woodward, It's
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Speaker 2: just a really exploratory film on the journey of one
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Speaker 2: really fascinating man. We're lucky to have him in the studio,
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Speaker 2: both of them today to talk about this and you
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Speaker 2: can watch it coming July seventeen to PBS California and
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