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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 3-2-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: Friends of the program.
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Speaker 4: So, I don't know what your sports viewing experience was
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Speaker 4: like over the weekend. I was in and out, obviously,
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Speaker 4: because when you got a family and kids and things
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Speaker 4: to do, you maximize what you can, and then you
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Speaker 4: probably don't spend as much time just sitting in front
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Speaker 4: of NFL scouting combine sprints as you used to. Made
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Speaker 4: sure though, to try and catch what we could of
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Speaker 4: the locals. And I know that Spencer Fauna was making
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Speaker 4: a ton of headline this weekend, as he should. What
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Speaker 4: an incredible performance for Spencer Fono three hundred and eleven pounds,
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Speaker 4: six foot six and ran a four nine to one
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Speaker 4: forty That ladies and gentlemen is first round money. And
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Speaker 4: then Caleb Lomu goes four to nine to nine. So
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Speaker 4: you've got two offensive tackles from the University of Utah
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Speaker 4: that ran sub five flat forties. There were nine offensive
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Speaker 4: linemen in this group, by the way, that ran sub
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Speaker 4: five flat. And I know I said this last week,
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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna say it again. These are the big boys, Okay.
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Speaker 4: These are all guys that are three hundred plus pounds.
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Speaker 4: They are running faster than you can run at three
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Speaker 4: hundred plus pounds. They are running faster than the vast
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Speaker 4: majority of people you even know. Now some of you
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Speaker 4: out there listening have college aged kids, teenagers, whatever. There's
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Speaker 4: a shot that those kids are running faster than five
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Speaker 4: flat unless you are in exceptional shape as a grown
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Speaker 4: adult forty plus years old, thirty plus years old, you
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Speaker 4: ain't running faster than five flat. And Spencer Fano at
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Speaker 4: three hundred and eleven pounds in Caleb Lomo at like
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Speaker 4: three point twenty.
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Speaker 3: They just outran you. And they weren't the only ones.
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Speaker 4: The kid from Iowa, the Center from Iowa, he ran
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Speaker 4: even he ran a four to nine.
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Speaker 3: Is he the one that was also up for Atland Trophy? Yes?
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Speaker 3: The Center from Iowa.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the anchor of the of the uh of the
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Speaker 4: Joe Award, Joe Moore Award, the Unjustifiable Award. That's no,
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Speaker 4: that's impressive. That's beyond impressive. That's such an under cell
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Speaker 4: to say you're impressed by that. That is like I
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Speaker 4: would never have guessed that someone could run under five
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Speaker 4: seconds of a forty at that side, And.
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Speaker 3: I mean nine of them did.
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Speaker 4: There were nine. There were nine dudes, and I like,
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Speaker 4: they're not in the same realm. Logan Jones, the Center
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Speaker 4: from Iowa, Spencer Fono four nine one Max, I don't.
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Speaker 4: I think it's it's ianikor the kid from Arizona State
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Speaker 4: that was popping all over the tape, I.
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Speaker 3: Was positive that was a typo in the rundown.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, he's he's put a he put a vowel,
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Speaker 4: couple vowels in the wrong place or something that's that's
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Speaker 4: quite a name. I don't know, I'm probably saying I'm
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Speaker 4: probably butchering the heck out of that name. But the
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Speaker 4: Arizona State offensive tackle that if you watched any of
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Speaker 4: this the Senior Bowl practices, he was making a lot
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Speaker 4: of waves down there as well. So now he turns
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Speaker 4: in a great combine. Jalen Farmer, a guard from Kentucky,
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Speaker 4: goes four nine three. Monroe Freeling, an offensive tackle from Georgia,
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Speaker 4: goes four nine three. Jaeger Burton from Kentucky goes four
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Speaker 4: nine to four. Enrique Cruz, offensive tack from Houston, for
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Speaker 4: nine four. Parker Brailsford, the Alabama center who was on
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Speaker 4: every All American preseason and postseason or whatever list, four
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Speaker 4: nine five, Caleb Lomu four nine nine. Dudes, shout out
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Speaker 4: especially to the Utah guys, but shout out to those
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Speaker 4: giants that's running under five second.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot of big boy athleticism and it's great.
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Speaker 4: It's great to see Uh, I had no doubt that
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Speaker 4: Spencer Fono was going to perform well in those drills. Okay,
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Speaker 4: he is a very fluid athlete for someone of that size,
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Speaker 4: and Caleb Lomu is kind of the same. He is,
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Speaker 4: I mean, visually less obvious of an athlete, but he's
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Speaker 4: a good athlete.
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Speaker 3: He's a really good athlete. And then.
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Speaker 4: The dark horse, the unsung, the we didn't know how
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Speaker 4: he was gonna do, but what an opportunity this guy has,
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Speaker 4: Dallan Bentley. There's something from the combine numbers that it's
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Speaker 4: called the relative athletics score. Ten is the max. He
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Speaker 4: got like a nine to three seven or something elevated.
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Speaker 4: He was above average for tight ends in every single category.
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Speaker 4: That means anything from this testing standpoint, just a really
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Speaker 4: really good combine for the guys that actually tested. And again,
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Speaker 4: we spent some time last week talking about and kind
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Speaker 4: of scratching our heads and wondering why you didn't see
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Speaker 4: Lander Barton do the testing, Why you didn't see Logan
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Speaker 4: Fano do the testing. They did drills, though they were
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Speaker 4: doing the drills like the positional drills, which I mean
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Speaker 4: it's a strategic decision if you don't think you're gonna
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Speaker 4: turn in great numbers, go ahead and just do the drills.
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Speaker 4: If you think that you're gonna put it in great numbers
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Speaker 4: and you're gonna have great drills, do that too. That's
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Speaker 4: what Spencer did. Logan didn't want to or Logan was
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Speaker 4: a little bit banged up, and we saw the Actually,
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I don't think Logan. I didn't see
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Speaker 4: Logan doing any drills. Lander was doing drills. Unfortunately, the
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Speaker 4: tape we saw it was all super slow mo, like
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Speaker 4: look at this. I don't know what the assessment was
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Speaker 4: because we couldn't even see, like, look at his muscles,
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Speaker 4: ripple and slow motion. The offensive lineman. Everyone was going bananas,
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Speaker 4: not just Utah people. By the way, NFL circles a
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Speaker 4: bunch of people gushing over Spencer Fano as he's doing
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Speaker 4: his three cone drill, turning in excellent time there. And
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Speaker 4: then the positional drills they do that classic offensive line.
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Speaker 4: Every little league coach knows this one, the mirror drill
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Speaker 4: where the coach points one way, then points the other
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Speaker 4: way and you're just in your pass set and you're
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Speaker 4: going back and forth. And some guys make that look laborious.
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Speaker 4: And Spencer Fano makes it look like he was born
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Speaker 4: to do it, like he's he changes direction faster than
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Speaker 4: the guys are even pointing. Is the foot eye coordination
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Speaker 4: for someone that size is ridiculous. He's already moving back
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Speaker 4: and forth before the arm even points the right way.
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Speaker 3: I mean it was.
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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't know what his interviews went. Like,
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Speaker 4: everything we've heard and seen looks good so far. I
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Speaker 4: don't think the combine could have gone any better for
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Speaker 4: Spencer Fano. I don't think it could have gone any
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Speaker 4: better for Caleb Lomo. I don't think it could have
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Speaker 4: gone any better for Dallon Bentley. I don't think it
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Speaker 4: could have gone better for Jack Kelly. All those guys
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Speaker 4: did really nice things for themselves in preparation for the
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Speaker 4: upcoming draft. You're still gonna have Pro Day's. Spencer doesn't
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Speaker 4: need to work out at the Pro day now. I
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Speaker 4: don't know if he will. Logan does Spencer like. It's
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Speaker 4: kind of like when you had had a teacher that
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Speaker 4: was great on a curve and you got the highest
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Speaker 4: score in the class, so you got the a you
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Speaker 4: only got you only scored a ninety, and you thought,
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Speaker 4: oh man, I was gonna get a ninety five on this,
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Speaker 4: and the professor Stanley said, I'm gonna allow retakes on this,
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Speaker 4: and You're like, well, I think I could do better.
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Speaker 4: I think I could do a ninety five. And the
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Speaker 4: Professor's gonna look at you and just be like, dude,
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Speaker 4: you got the a just stop. You already set this
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Speaker 4: high bar. We don't need to see anything else from you.
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Speaker 4: I'm impressed. I think that's what Spencer's gonna gonna have now.
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Speaker 4: Teams are gonna have him flying in and they're gonna
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Speaker 4: have they're gonna work him out and things like that.
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Speaker 3: And the most.
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Speaker 4: Curious thing here for me is how the NFL is
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Speaker 4: going to treat somebody like Spencer right, who had an
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Speaker 4: incredible combine. Somebody like the Arizona State guy we'll just
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Speaker 4: call him Max. He had an incredible combine after incredible
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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl versus.
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Speaker 3: A Francis mowing Aw.
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Speaker 4: Do you know what his numbers are, James, No, nobody
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Speaker 4: does because he didn't participate, and a lot of mock
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Speaker 4: drafts have him top tackle. It's either him or Spencer
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Speaker 4: top tackle right, going as high as number three.
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Speaker 3: This's got to give Spencer an edge then well, you
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Speaker 3: would think. And this is.
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Speaker 4: As they were closing out the NFL scouting combine, and
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Speaker 4: you heard Rich Eisen talking about it on his show
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Speaker 4: before mine here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOEFM.
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Speaker 4: You heard Dan Patrick talking about it as well, with
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Speaker 4: the Dan Nets.
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Speaker 5: There's a bit of a restless feeling around the scouting
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Speaker 5: combine for the city of Indianapolis, but for the NFL
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Speaker 5: in general, because the numbers on that thing are not
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Speaker 5: going as well as they wanted them to.
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Speaker 4: From like a participation standpoint, there's a lot of there's
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Speaker 4: a lot of kind of like apathy developing from the
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Speaker 4: top prospects quarterbacks. I mean, this is a weird year
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Speaker 4: for quarterbacks, so it might not be the best example,
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Speaker 4: but go back even a few years, there's a lot
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Speaker 4: of top flight quarterbacks that are not throwing at the combine.
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Speaker 3: They're not participating. It's and that's fine.
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Speaker 4: I really don't have a problem with if you're a
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Speaker 4: projected top five pick, the only thing you can do,
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Speaker 4: because what's the combine. It's people looking at what's wrong
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Speaker 4: with you. The only thing you can do if you're
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Speaker 4: if you're Fernando Mendoza is cast doubts on your future.
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Speaker 4: By performing, they only have to impress the Raiders.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna pick you.
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Speaker 4: So going out there and showcasing your skills for all
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Speaker 4: thirty two teams is, in my opinion, it's kind of
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Speaker 4: a fool's errand for him now he feels like a
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Speaker 4: consensus number one pick. If you're Francis Mowing, oh, who
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Speaker 4: is like there's a rivalry right now. Okay, all of
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Speaker 4: you out there, you don't like this cat.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: When you want to hear a Polynesian tackle taken in
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Speaker 4: the top three, you want it to be Spencer Fono,
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Speaker 4: not this cat from Miami. He already had a better situation.
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Speaker 4: He already got to play in a National championship game,
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Speaker 4: all right. He already lived on South Beach. He got
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Speaker 4: more nil than Spencer did. He already got his good stuff.
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Speaker 4: We want our guy who went out there and did
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Speaker 4: what he was supposed to do. He participated in the combine.
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Speaker 4: We want the NFL to be more impressed by him.
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Speaker 4: And again, it's really kind of like, did you impress
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Speaker 4: the Arizona Cardinals enough? If there are six teams in
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Speaker 4: the first round, that one offensive Lineman. You want to
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Speaker 4: have impressed. The two teams are the three teams topping
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Speaker 4: picking in the top fifteen, and obviously it makes you
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Speaker 4: a lot more money if you're number three than if
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Speaker 4: you're number fifteen. Now, the fit situation is a different
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Speaker 4: conversation altogether. Daniel Jeremiah reported that Spencer Fano also did
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Speaker 4: some center drills after the positional drills, after the weird
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Speaker 4: running stuff that team's had him thrown, like throwing some
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Speaker 4: shotgun snaps back there getting out of the stance.
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Speaker 3: It's different, obviously for a center.
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Speaker 4: You have to execute the snap before you set your feet,
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Speaker 4: before you deliver your punch, things like that. Daniel Jeremiah
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Speaker 4: was reporting that a couple of teams we're out there
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Speaker 4: watching him do center drills, which is very interesting. We'll
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Speaker 4: talk with Jeff Schwartz about that tomorrow. Well, that that
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Speaker 4: goes right in with one of the strengths of Jim
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Speaker 4: Harding's time at the University of Utah is offensive line coach,
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Speaker 4: and the strengths of the draft prospects coming out of
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Speaker 4: Utah in the Jim Harding era is the versatility.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 4: Remember, Braden Daniels is one. He's the one that stuck
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Speaker 4: out to me, and Isaac Osciata is another one that
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Speaker 4: stuck out to me as guys that they played a
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Speaker 4: position on the line in college, or maybe a couple different.
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Speaker 4: They played a few different positions on the line in
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Speaker 4: college in order to be prepared for Hey, you just
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Speaker 4: want teams to to draft you. You just want teams
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Speaker 4: to sign you. You don't necessarily need teams to see
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Speaker 4: you as a great guard or a great center. They
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Speaker 4: just wanted you want them to see you as a
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Speaker 4: great offensive lineman. And so this is I mean, even
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Speaker 4: though Spencer didn't need to, they didn't need He was
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Speaker 4: great enough at tackle obviously at Utah, they didn't need
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Speaker 4: him to move to change a bunch of positions. He's showing, Hey,
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Speaker 4: I'm just like any of the others, these other utes
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Speaker 4: that you that you know about from Jim Harding's offensive line.
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Speaker 4: I can play other positions too if you need me to,
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Speaker 4: which is great. The other the other thing about it
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Speaker 4: for Spencer, right there are teams that look at you
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Speaker 4: if you're playing right tackle, and they're going, why do
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Speaker 4: you play right tackle instead of left tackle?
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Speaker 3: Is your quarterback left handed?
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Speaker 4: Because if that's the case, then all right, put your
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Speaker 4: best guy at a right tackle. So because Caleb Lomo
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Speaker 4: was at left tackle, you were bookended there towards say
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Speaker 4: all right, what's more natural for.
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Speaker 3: You, what's better for you? But people are still gonna
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Speaker 3: want to know.
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Speaker 4: We talked about positional versatility with like Lander potentially having
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Speaker 4: some tight end opportunities elevate the expectation because we're talking
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Speaker 4: about a first round draft pick and maybe two first
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Speaker 4: round draft picks here, and they're gonna want to know
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Speaker 4: what the positional versatility is like, especially like a Caleb Lomo,
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Speaker 4: who he played left tackle his whole career at.
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Speaker 3: Utah, his best years at left tackle.
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Speaker 4: If he goes the San Francisco forty nine ers are
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Speaker 4: one of the handful of teams that are considering drafting
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Speaker 4: him right And even though that would be later in
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Speaker 4: the round, are they going to say, all right, you're
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Speaker 4: a perfect understudy for Trent Williams. Or they're going to say, dude,
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Speaker 4: we spent a first round I pick on you. You're
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Speaker 4: gonna play right tackle for us. You better be able
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Speaker 4: to play right tackle. It's not a simple thing. And
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Speaker 4: again we've talked with Jeff about this. We've talked with
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Speaker 4: Jordan Gross about this. We've talked with Offensive Line about this.
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Speaker 4: It's not quite as simple as well, you just put
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Speaker 4: the other foot forward. It's like it's like teaching yourself
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Speaker 4: to read backwards. Right, Well, I'm kind of there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of it flipping your brain. You're literally having to
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Speaker 4: flip your brain around almost Like everyone listening right now
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Speaker 4: can brush their teeth with either hand. You can hold
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Speaker 4: your fork with either hand right if you need to.
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Speaker 4: In a pinch, you break a hand, you're fine. You
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Speaker 4: can maybe write your your first name legible enough with
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Speaker 4: your opposite hand, just for the fun of, maybe just
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Speaker 4: to see how weird it is and how hard it
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Speaker 4: is to get used to go ahead and try, just
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Speaker 4: start brushing. I'm left handed, okay, So I brush with
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Speaker 4: my left I write with my left I hold my
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Speaker 4: fork in my left hand. I'm pretty ambidextrous from a
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Speaker 4: sports standpoint, but from a small motor skills standpoint, I'm
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Speaker 4: not ambidextrous hardly at all.
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Speaker 3: So let's all switch.
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Speaker 4: Let's start brushing with our right hand or our opposite
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Speaker 4: hand instead, and just see how weird it feels. If
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Speaker 4: you're somebody who's snowboards or skateboards or whatever. Wakeboards go goofy.
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Speaker 4: Next time you flip your stance, and it's it's that right.
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Speaker 3: Can you do it? Yeah, especially if you're a really
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Speaker 3: good athlete, you can do it.
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Speaker 4: But you're gonna be asking potentially a Caleb Lomo Hey,
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Speaker 4: the thing that is like so practice for you that
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Speaker 4: it's absolutely second nature and it is your natural, uh
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Speaker 4: optimal stance. We're gonna ask you to flip that around
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Speaker 4: while also we're elevating the level of competition significantly.
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Speaker 3: It's not easy.
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Speaker 4: We will Caleb Lowill be able to do it if
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Speaker 4: they ask him, one thousand percent. Yes, he'll be highly compensated.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to worry about anything else. He's a
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Speaker 4: studious individual, he's a hard working guy. He will be
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Speaker 4: able to do it. But it's not just like this
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Speaker 4: easy natural thing. And a center transition for someone who
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Speaker 4: played tackle their entire career, center is very different than
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Speaker 4: playing tackle. In some ways, it's easier. Your pass sets
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Speaker 4: are going to be a lot less challenging. You're not
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Speaker 4: going up against the team's best pass rusher. The athletes
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Speaker 4: that you're going up against are typically not nearly as
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Speaker 4: fast and athletic, they're usually bigger and stronger. But also
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Speaker 4: that's a much more involved intellectual position. If Spencer Fano
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Speaker 4: is asked by whomever, the Browns or whatever are just like, yeah, dude,
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Speaker 4: we'd like you to try to play center for us
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Speaker 4: because we hear you're super super smart and we think
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Speaker 4: your highest ceiling is there. He's not huge. Three hundred
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Speaker 4: and eleven pounds is fine, but it's not gigantic in
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Speaker 4: the NFL. Even watching him and and he may have
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Speaker 4: he may have gained some before the combine. I'm not
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Speaker 4: sure how his weight fluctuated, but even watching him play
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Speaker 4: at Utah, he didn't look like an offensive lineman, like he.
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Speaker 3: Looked way more cut.
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Speaker 4: You've talked about this, just like you've talked about it,
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Speaker 4: and we've talked about.
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Speaker 3: Was all the time.
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Speaker 4: You've talked about Aaron Donald, right, not having the look
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Speaker 4: of a defensive defensive tackle, and Spencer Fana is kind
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Speaker 4: of that way. Watching him at Utah, you're like, wait,
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Speaker 4: that skinny dude is the is the guy number one,
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Speaker 4: number one, potentially the number one offensive lineman in this draft.
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Speaker 4: But then he just dominated, right, so he that is
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Speaker 4: something that teams will probably look at him and go,
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Speaker 4: you're you obviously are effective at the weight you're at,
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Speaker 4: and even if we change positions, we have no doubt
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Speaker 4: you'll be effective. But they probably be like, hey, if
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Speaker 4: we are, especially if we do movie to center, why
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Speaker 4: do you gain some pounds there?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 3: The so for for Francis Mulingo, for.
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Speaker 4: Example, right, like Spencer finals giant, he's a huge man
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Speaker 4: when when you compare him to the average person, he's
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Speaker 4: three hundred and eleven pounds of mostly muscle. Francis Mouingole,
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Speaker 4: who is apparently his lead competition to be the top
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Speaker 4: tackle taken outweighs him by twenty pounds.
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Speaker 3: In no world is.
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Speaker 4: Twenty pounds insignificant, especially when you're talking about dropping your
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Speaker 4: anchor to take on pass rushers like the bull rush
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Speaker 4: against the three hundred and thirty pound tackle. A three
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Speaker 4: hundred and forty pound tackle will indeed look different than
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Speaker 4: it does against a three hundred and eleven pound tackle
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Speaker 4: or a three hundred and fifteen pound tackle. This is
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Speaker 4: part of the part of what we talked about after
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. Right, who was the I'm blanking on
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Speaker 4: his name, who's the Patriots offensive lineup?
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Speaker 3: Will Campbell Will Campbell.
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Speaker 4: Well, Campbell was getting dragged right because he's built like
21:05
Speaker 4: Spencer Fano, but he was playing like he's Trent Williams,
21:09
Speaker 4: and they're like, you can't do those things.
21:12
Speaker 3: You can't.
21:12
Speaker 4: You can't play like a big guy. You're not a
21:15
Speaker 4: big guy relative to what you're facing now, You're not
21:19
Speaker 4: a big guy. They talked about arm length, which is
21:22
Speaker 4: the big buzzword for for for this year, our arm
21:28
Speaker 4: length was the was the thing instead of wingspan or
21:31
Speaker 4: whatever it has been in past years. Will Campbell is
21:35
Speaker 4: one that shorter arms too, so this is yeah, and
21:39
Speaker 4: he heard that too from smarter people than me, saying
21:43
Speaker 4: his problem is not that he doesn't have the measurables
21:46
Speaker 4: or he doesn't have the talent to be a good
21:51
Speaker 4: offensive linements that he needs to he needs to be
21:54
Speaker 4: a little bit. He needs to use his body better, basically,
21:57
Speaker 4: and Spencer Fano is some one that already knows how
22:01
Speaker 4: to use his body as a smaller offensive lineman, right,
22:05
Speaker 4: which which makes you should make teams feel a lot
22:08
Speaker 4: better about taking him. Although Will Campbell was still a
22:12
Speaker 4: number four overall pick, so it's not like teams didn't
22:14
Speaker 4: feel bad. It's not like the Pats or any other
22:16
Speaker 4: teams felt bad about him. Four nine forty yard dash
22:19
Speaker 4: for Spencer one seven to two in the ten yard split,
22:23
Speaker 4: also very good.
22:25
Speaker 3: Thirty two inch vertical jump.
22:27
Speaker 4: Again, we need to have a control group at the
22:32
Speaker 4: NFL combine of just normal people, not even like you
22:36
Speaker 4: don't even have to be normal. Have some some the
22:40
Speaker 4: becky lucky Indianapolis citizens. Just hey, you get to you
22:44
Speaker 4: get to jump with these guys.
22:46
Speaker 3: You know what I want them to do.
22:47
Speaker 4: I want them to bring out the best Indiana high
22:51
Speaker 4: school football player there is every year. This would be fun.
22:54
Speaker 4: It would be a great honor for that kid. Yeah, right,
22:58
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, you're gonna you're gonna go and you're
23:00
Speaker 4: gonna do the combine testing at whatever you are, one eighty,
23:05
Speaker 4: two hundred to fifty, whatever you are, You're gonna go
23:08
Speaker 4: test against all these NFL guys and we're gonna see
23:12
Speaker 4: what numbers you put up, right, Because a thirty two
23:15
Speaker 4: inch vertical jump is pretty darn good for like a
23:20
Speaker 4: quality high school athlete, not an athletic freak lunatic like
23:24
Speaker 4: out of this world guy. But that's enough to get
23:27
Speaker 4: you into the college world. Right if you're two hundred
23:31
Speaker 4: pounds or two hundred and twenty pounds. This is a
23:34
Speaker 4: three hundred and ten pound dude jumping thirty two inches.
23:39
Speaker 4: That means he can dunk. Spencer fonnal can dunk a basketball.
23:43
Speaker 4: If he can jump that high and he's as tall
23:45
Speaker 4: as he is, he can dunk. The three cone is
23:51
Speaker 4: what everyone was really really pumped about. He he killed
23:54
Speaker 4: it in the three cones seven point three four seconds,
23:57
Speaker 4: four to six seven in the twenty yard shuttle. People
24:00
Speaker 4: are more familiar with the twenty yard shuttle. That's when
24:02
Speaker 4: where you start in the middle, go to your left,
24:04
Speaker 4: go to your right, go back to the middle, five yards,
24:08
Speaker 4: ten yards, five yards. It's an agility test, and he
24:12
Speaker 4: performed incredibly well in that one. Caleb Lomu who is
24:18
Speaker 4: I'm really really curious because Caleb is a guy that,
24:22
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways and not always justifiably so,
24:27
Speaker 4: was kind of overshadowed in his career at Utah by
24:32
Speaker 4: Spencer Fano. Has an opportunity in the NFL, they're not
24:35
Speaker 4: going to be on the same team. He has an
24:38
Speaker 4: opportunity to kind of like emerge from that shadow a
24:41
Speaker 4: little bit.
24:42
Speaker 3: Caleb Lomo okay.
24:44
Speaker 4: So Spencer's total combine score was an eighty nine, number
24:48
Speaker 4: one amongst offensive tackles, Kayleb Lomu's number three amongst offensive tackles.
24:54
Speaker 4: He ran slightly slower, He had just a titch lower
24:59
Speaker 4: of a ten yard split. He jumped a half inch higher,
25:05
Speaker 4: and actually his broad jump was a couple inches longer
25:09
Speaker 4: than Spencer Fano's. So we will be affectionately comparing the
25:15
Speaker 4: trajectory of these two guys throughout their careers, and I'm
25:20
Speaker 4: very curious to see because there's a lot of conversation,
25:23
Speaker 4: especially like when we talk to offensive line experts, there
25:26
Speaker 4: was a lot of conversation about the two the value
25:28
Speaker 4: that these two guys bring. Where Lomo is maybe a
25:31
Speaker 4: more natural pass blocker, which of course is so massively
25:35
Speaker 4: important in the league. He also plays left tackle instead
25:37
Speaker 4: of right, which is a premium position. So if he's
25:41
Speaker 4: a slightly better pass blocker who plays the pass blocking
25:45
Speaker 4: position like, will he end up having a higher ceiling
25:50
Speaker 4: than his bookend line mate. Good friend Spencer Fano as
25:55
Speaker 4: the NFL careers progress, who knows.
25:59
Speaker 3: Fascinating this see how that develops. I want to give you.
26:04
Speaker 4: All of Dallan Bentley's numbers because I only gave you
26:07
Speaker 4: his relative athletics score, and he put up some really
26:11
Speaker 4: good numbers. Four to six to two in the forty,
26:14
Speaker 4: which is like twelve tenths faster than the average tight
26:18
Speaker 4: end speed. I only know that because Kenyon Sadik. Did
26:21
Speaker 4: you see this, the Oregon guy? I heard about this. Yeah,
26:25
Speaker 4: he ran a four to four as a tight end.
26:29
Speaker 4: That's incredible, fastest since Vernon Davis, who as you, I
26:35
Speaker 4: don't need to tell you how much of an athletic freak.
26:38
Speaker 4: Vernon Davis, what was it?
26:39
Speaker 3: Monster?
26:39
Speaker 4: And he's he had quick non secutary because you brought
26:43
Speaker 4: up Vernon Davis. He had a similar run that Alex
26:47
Speaker 4: Smith had right where they were in at the same
26:51
Speaker 4: basically the same time, terrible situation to start their careers
26:54
Speaker 4: in San Francisco and then turned into the some of
26:58
Speaker 4: the best at their position, right, not that long, not
27:01
Speaker 4: that long after that. Only difference as Vernon Davis didn't
27:04
Speaker 4: end up starring elsewhere in San Francisco. But yeah, that's
27:08
Speaker 4: man to four is a tight end nuts. Davis ended
27:12
Speaker 4: up with let's see, sixty three touchdowns in his career.
27:18
Speaker 3: His best year was two thousand.
27:19
Speaker 4: And nine, and then he had another good one that
27:22
Speaker 4: he tied it in two thousand and thirteen. Thirteen touchdowns
27:26
Speaker 4: in each of those years he was a pro bowler,
27:30
Speaker 4: all pro Vernon Davis again four to three to nine
27:34
Speaker 4: at I think he was two hundred and fifty five
27:37
Speaker 4: pounds is like insane. But Dallan Bentley he accounted well
27:44
Speaker 4: for himself. I didn't see any numbers on Chase Roberts.
27:49
Speaker 4: Let me look these up here. Chase Roberts, by the way,
27:52
Speaker 4: given the five point nine to four score, average backup
27:56
Speaker 4: or special teamer is what the league expects. Okay, So
28:01
Speaker 4: he ran a four to six'. Four So Chase roberts
28:04
Speaker 4: ran a slightly slower forty Than Dallon.
28:07
Speaker 3: Bentley the tight, end.
28:11
Speaker 4: He had a one point six ten yard, split a
28:13
Speaker 4: thirty seven inch vertical, jump and a ten to six broad.
28:16
Speaker 4: Jump chase did not do the three, cone twenty yard
28:19
Speaker 4: or bench. Press But Dalan bentley turned in some great.
28:27
Speaker 4: Numbers Caleb blown turned in some great. Numbers Spencer fonne
28:31
Speaker 4: especially turned in great. Numbers and the question, becomes are
28:36
Speaker 4: you in any way rewarded or punished for the decision
28:42
Speaker 4: or not making the decision to participate in these. Drills
28:47
Speaker 4: THE nfl is worried about the future of the. Combine
28:51
Speaker 4: they don't know if people are participating in. It you've
28:53
Speaker 4: got The Outland trophy winner, Saying, Yeah i'm gonna do
28:56
Speaker 4: What i'm supposed to. Do i'm gonna do all these.
28:57
Speaker 4: Drills i'll even do a couple extra drills for. You
29:01
Speaker 4: and then you've got his projected number one rival Saying
29:05
Speaker 4: i'm gonna go. Up i'm Gonna i'll let you measure,
29:08
Speaker 4: Me i'm gonna do the, interviews And i'm not gonna
29:10
Speaker 4: do anything. Else If i'm AN nfl, Scout i'm, saying
29:13
Speaker 4: your big, old three hundred and thirty pounds behind doesn't
29:16
Speaker 4: want me to realize that you're not as athletic as
29:19
Speaker 4: these other. Kids but that's not how it's always. Processed
29:25
Speaker 4: that's not always how they do. It and maybe the
29:28
Speaker 4: conversations he's had teams have had with his agent are
29:31
Speaker 4: just like those Of Fredana. Mendoza, hey we're taking you at, three,
29:34
Speaker 4: man don't worry about. Anything just stay. Healthy we don't
29:37
Speaker 4: need you to do anything. Else we're going to take
29:39
Speaker 4: you at. Three if that's the, case why would you?
29:43
Speaker 4: Run no, reason no reason at. All i'm actually a
29:53
Speaker 4: little bit bummed that we've already got the combine behind.
29:55
Speaker 3: Us that kind of snuck up on us eight.
30:00
Speaker 4: So, long and then it's so, fleeting it's so, quick
30:04
Speaker 4: and you realize that what you were anticipating was watching
30:07
Speaker 4: somebody run a forty yard dash twice do two vertical jump.
30:11
Speaker 4: Attempts unless you're on AN nfl, network you're not even
30:15
Speaker 4: watching it in real. Time you're just, like, ooh did
30:20
Speaker 4: you see that that pulling drill that he. Did the
30:25
Speaker 4: coach was standing, there he said go and then he
30:27
Speaker 4: ran past four cones and that's WHAT i was waiting.
30:31
Speaker 4: For it's how addicted we are to football in this.
30:35
Speaker 4: Country congratulations to the utes who showed out incredibly well
30:42
Speaker 4: at the. Combine and now we hold our breath and.
30:45
Speaker 4: Wait Ari tempkin joins us next Rock O miller at,
30:49
Speaker 4: Noon Ryan, FOWLER nfl draft, analyst to talk about all
30:54
Speaker 4: this stuff with. Us at one, o'clock it's The sean
30:56
Speaker 4: O'Connell show getting started on A, MONDAY espn seven hundred
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Speaker 4: and ninety.
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Speaker 3: Two, buggy.
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Speaker 1: You're tuned To The sean O'Connell show from The Murdoch
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Speaker 1: ONE afma.
31:20
Speaker 3: On you when the spats by on.
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Speaker 4: YOU i don't know what you all out there listening
31:30
Speaker 4: do for a, job BUT i wonder if you feel
31:34
Speaker 4: like you're becoming a broken record as often AS i,
31:36
Speaker 4: do because my, job of, course is the. TALK i
31:42
Speaker 4: don't know how many, times and maybe someone can tell.
31:44
Speaker 4: ME i don't know how many Times i've gone this
31:47
Speaker 4: year and, said, wow b, y you, basketball this is
31:51
Speaker 4: exactly why you spend that, money and look what you've,
31:54
Speaker 4: got and oh my, Goodness Aj debons is going to
31:57
Speaker 4: be the number one, pick And Wowsey and then we
32:01
Speaker 4: come back on after a weekend And i'm just, like.
32:04
Speaker 3: What the heck is going on with these. Guys it doesn't,
32:07
Speaker 3: work it's not worth.
32:08
Speaker 4: It and then you get a performance Against Iowa state
32:12
Speaker 4: and you're, LIKE, Whoa, okay that makes. Sense they figured it,
32:16
Speaker 4: Out they've got a new way of doing. Things AJ's
32:20
Speaker 4: just gonna have to put the team on his back
32:23
Speaker 4: and then they're gonna be.
32:24
Speaker 3: Fine and then you, go, oh, No West, virginia what happened?
32:30
Speaker 4: Here it's honestly probably terrible for you to listen to
32:36
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i at the end of the, DAY i Think
32:40
Speaker 4: i'm out on their, chances BUT i get sucked back
32:44
Speaker 4: in because when you've got one of the best individual
32:46
Speaker 4: players in the, country and by the, way this supplies
32:50
Speaker 4: in any, sport but especially in, basketball when you have
32:53
Speaker 4: a transcendent level, star it doesn't take a whole lot
32:57
Speaker 4: beyond that to win a, game to an a, game
33:02
Speaker 4: that person could just go. Nuts we watched this in
33:05
Speaker 4: the gold medal. Game in, hockey we've seen quarterbacks have
33:09
Speaker 4: just incredible days where it kind of doesn't matter as
33:13
Speaker 4: much what's around. Them Shador sanders did it a few.
33:16
Speaker 4: TIMES i, mean Every Heisman trophy winner that you've ever
33:21
Speaker 4: watched probably did a few. Times Fernanda mendoza even had
33:24
Speaker 4: to do it a couple times For. Indiana there's there's
33:28
Speaker 4: nothing like, basketball, though where when you have an Aj
33:32
Speaker 4: De boncey, type when you have fill in the BLANK
33:35
Speaker 4: nba star that's a true, megastar an alien among his,
33:40
Speaker 4: peers an actual. Outlier that person could take over a
33:45
Speaker 4: game and you're just, like, oh all, Right that's that's
33:52
Speaker 4: why we were all buying this blue kool. Aid that's
33:55
Speaker 4: Why we were fully body in on the hype before
33:58
Speaker 4: the season, started because.
34:00
Speaker 3: WHAT byu basketball is capable of.
34:06
Speaker 4: Back when they were healthy and even after the injury
34:11
Speaker 4: started to pile up a. Bit when Aj deponsa And
34:15
Speaker 4: Rob wright are on the same, page When Canar davis
34:19
Speaker 4: gives you a little bit more than you're used, To you're,
34:22
Speaker 4: like all, right, cool this is. Sustainable having just two
34:28
Speaker 4: of the better players in college basketball is still enough
34:33
Speaker 4: to make a nice deep tournament.
34:34
Speaker 3: RUN i.
34:37
Speaker 4: Think i'm gonna have to say that the official stance
34:39
Speaker 4: of The sean O'Connell show is one of disbelief when
34:46
Speaker 4: it comes To BYU's postseason.
34:50
Speaker 3: ABILITIES i don't Think i'm buying, it.
34:55
Speaker 4: And i'm putting that out there as an official stance
34:57
Speaker 4: of the show BECAUSE i THINK i need Because i've
35:01
Speaker 4: suckered myself Into i've talked myself into getting a little
35:06
Speaker 4: bit overly optimistic by singular performances like That Iowa state
35:15
Speaker 4: performance where you beat a top ten team in the
35:19
Speaker 4: country at the time right, now a top five team
35:21
Speaker 4: in the, country you beat him by Ten Without Richie,
35:26
Speaker 4: saunders who's kind of your glue, guy who's a heck
35:28
Speaker 4: of a, player but back to back losses TO, ucf who,
35:33
Speaker 4: is as we talked about last, week is your actual
35:36
Speaker 4: accomplishment equivalent in the. Conference they have the same conference,
35:42
Speaker 4: record they have the same overall, record they don't have the,
35:46
Speaker 4: marketing they don't have the, hype they don't have the,
35:49
Speaker 4: superstars and as a, result there's no number next to
35:55
Speaker 4: their name or one of the reasons that they don't
35:57
Speaker 4: have next the number next to their, name and lost
36:00
Speaker 4: to them by thirteen and it actually wasn't even that.
36:03
Speaker 4: Close and then the bounce back that everyone's, like all,
36:07
Speaker 4: right you need, it But West virginia is not an
36:09
Speaker 4: easy place to do.
36:10
Speaker 3: It you didn't do.
36:11
Speaker 4: It now you finished the season With cincinnati And Texas.
36:16
Speaker 4: Tech cincinnati eight and eate And Big twelve PLAY byu
36:21
Speaker 4: eight and eight In big twelve. Play Texas tech a
36:25
Speaker 4: much better team with, that although they've handled their own injury,
36:29
Speaker 4: problems especially With. Toppin' they're twelve and four And big
36:33
Speaker 4: twelve play and are two regular season games left for
36:38
Speaker 4: The koogs and insane roster has been decimated a little
36:44
Speaker 4: bit has been pared down to something that's a little
36:46
Speaker 4: bit more.
36:47
Speaker 3: Normal.
36:51
Speaker 4: And as much credit As kevin young gets for recruiting,
36:56
Speaker 4: well deploying the resources available to him.
36:59
Speaker 3: Well he has not.
37:02
Speaker 4: Yet figured out whatever that secret ingredient for this team,
37:06
Speaker 4: is at least not. Reliably as it stands right, now
37:17
Speaker 4: with only a couple of games left to, PLAY byu
37:21
Speaker 4: has two wins over teams that were ranked at the
37:25
Speaker 4: time of their. Competition early in the, season they beat
37:28
Speaker 4: a top twenty Five wisconsin, squad and last week they
37:32
Speaker 4: Beat Iowa state in their most impressive win of the.
37:35
Speaker 4: YEAR i know that we're into bracketology season and we're
37:41
Speaker 4: going to talk some bracketology today and it's all about
37:44
Speaker 4: quad ones and quad twos and. Quadriceps the eyeball test
37:51
Speaker 4: right now FOR byu is if your superstar players are
37:55
Speaker 4: not enough to carry you past an entire teams game,
37:59
Speaker 4: plan an entire coaching staff's game, plan you're not gonna
38:05
Speaker 4: win more than a game at a. Time an a
38:09
Speaker 4: game at a time is, lovely but it's not gonna
38:12
Speaker 4: push you far enough in the in the, tournament in
38:15
Speaker 4: The big twelve, tournament or in THE ncaa, tournament and
38:18
Speaker 4: especially in THE ncaa tournament because the survive and advanced
38:23
Speaker 4: thing aj debons can help you. Survive but how long
38:27
Speaker 4: can he do it when it's back to back to
38:29
Speaker 4: back to.
38:30
Speaker 3: BACK i, MEAN i guess that's why you pay him
38:34
Speaker 3: seven million bucks or whatever it. Is there was Some
38:40
Speaker 3: twitter drama.
38:43
Speaker 4: Between, utah Some utah folks and SOME byu folks as
38:47
Speaker 4: to what the actual number is for the whole team's payroll. There, so, yeah,
38:52
Speaker 4: well The sean O'Connell show will say whatever it. Is, well,
38:56
Speaker 4: look whatever it, is it's more than most teams in
39:01
Speaker 4: The Big. Twelve, yes and it's significantly more than we
39:05
Speaker 4: already know. This we don't have to say this out
39:07
Speaker 4: loud than What Alex jensen is having to work has
39:10
Speaker 4: had to work with this. Season and by the, way,
39:13
Speaker 4: RIGHT i know that on The home of The utes
39:16
Speaker 4: people don't want to hear, this but right now you're
39:18
Speaker 4: not in the same conversations THAT byu is in from
39:21
Speaker 4: a basketball.
39:22
Speaker 3: Standpoint you're Not.
39:28
Speaker 4: BYU's not even from a recruiting standpoint this. Year BYU's
39:32
Speaker 4: not even in the same conversations right now that they
39:35
Speaker 4: were last. Year utah is not going to get back
39:38
Speaker 4: to that conversation until the culture's all the way in,
39:41
Speaker 4: place some resources increase And Alex jensen finds his magic.
39:46
Speaker 4: Ingredient Kevin young's magic ingredient was a relationship with THE
39:53
Speaker 4: nba that was appealing To Aj. Debontsa, now whether you
39:58
Speaker 4: say that it's a relationship predicated On Danny ainge's, Involvement
40:02
Speaker 4: Ryan smith's, involvement or the fact That Kevin young was
40:05
Speaker 4: just a RESPECTED nba, coach that's up for.
40:08
Speaker 3: Debate that's up for. Conversation i'll let you figure that.
40:10
Speaker 4: Out But Aj debonsa looked At Kevin young and he,
40:16
Speaker 4: said because he's getting offers from, everybody and he's getting
40:19
Speaker 4: offers independent of where he plays college. Basketball kansas And North,
40:24
Speaker 4: carolina for, example we're also in his top.
40:27
Speaker 3: Five of, course man LIKE aj could have gone wherever he.
40:30
Speaker 4: Want there's no there's no college coach that was gonna
40:34
Speaker 4: Tell Aj, deboncea, NO i don't want you on my.
40:36
Speaker 4: Campus And kansas probably they probably would have been, like,
40:40
Speaker 4: yeah we Have Darren, peterson but we'll take you. Too
40:44
Speaker 4: you guys basically play the same, position but we got
40:47
Speaker 4: room for you. Too we'll figure something. Out you can
40:49
Speaker 4: be the two. Guard you're a lot, taller. Longer they
40:53
Speaker 4: weren't Recruiting Darren peterson OR Aj. Debonza they were recruiting him. Both,
40:57
Speaker 4: yeah so.
41:00
Speaker 3: He came TO.
41:01
Speaker 4: Byu, yes BECAUSE byu paid him a lot of. Money
41:05
Speaker 4: he was going to make a lot of money no
41:08
Speaker 4: matter where he. Went and that's okay For utah fans
41:12
Speaker 4: to acknowledge, That LIKE aj didn't NEED byu to make
41:18
Speaker 4: whatever the number, is six, million seven, million ten, MILLION
41:21
Speaker 4: i don't really.
41:21
Speaker 3: Care he was going to make a ton of.
41:23
Speaker 4: Money he, Decided, like you can't take all the credit
41:25
Speaker 4: away From Kevin young and FORM byu for making sure
41:30
Speaker 4: THAT aj chose. Them AND I i don't want to
41:34
Speaker 4: hear anybody from downtown across the street FROM i don't
41:38
Speaker 4: we're not the highest. Bidders, okay, fine it. DOESN'T i
41:41
Speaker 4: don't care if you are on. Something there's at least
41:45
Speaker 4: a couple athletes that you have been the highest bidder,
41:47
Speaker 4: on and we think that you were ON. Aj BUT
41:49
Speaker 4: i REALLY i don't think that made the decision FOR aj.
41:52
Speaker 3: EITHER i think that.
41:55
Speaker 4: You Had Kevin durant Calling aj De bonsa and, saying,
41:59
Speaker 4: hey you want to play for this, Guy Devin booker
42:02
Speaker 4: calling him and just being like he's a really good,
42:04
Speaker 4: coach he helped me grow develop a.
42:06
Speaker 3: Ton you should go play for. HIM i think that.
42:09
Speaker 4: Matters that probably matters more to a guy than the
42:14
Speaker 4: extra five hundred thousand dollars that he's gonna make in one,
42:18
Speaker 4: year knowing that when it's all said and, done he's
42:22
Speaker 4: got a nine figure deals somewhere. Easily that was the
42:27
Speaker 4: point THAT aj made publicly About, hey why did you CHOOSE?
42:31
Speaker 4: Byu he, Said guys don't want to talk About, HEY
42:35
Speaker 4: i went there BECAUSE i made a lot of, money
42:37
Speaker 4: it's crass.
42:38
Speaker 3: Whatever they don't want to talk.
42:39
Speaker 4: About it that, way but they will say stuff LIKE aj,
42:42
Speaker 4: said which was he Coached Kevin. Durant Kevin durant's the
42:45
Speaker 4: GUY i modeled my game. After he's my favorite. PLAYER
42:48
Speaker 4: i want to play for the guy who Coached Kevin.
42:51
Speaker 4: Durant so that certainly played a significant. Role like, look
42:56
Speaker 4: put it this, way if you're A utah fan and
42:58
Speaker 4: you're feeling your angst about where you're bad caball team
43:00
Speaker 4: is versus WHERE byus. Is and by the, way if
43:03
Speaker 4: you're A byu, fan you should be feeling a lot
43:05
Speaker 4: more angst right now Than utah Because utah this is all.
43:08
Speaker 4: Expected this is all stuff that was laid out in
43:10
Speaker 4: front of you for the last couple of.
43:12
Speaker 3: Years the riding is on the.
43:14
Speaker 4: Wall as unpleasant as it, is you're just, like you know,
43:17
Speaker 4: what we gotta scrape this old.
43:19
Speaker 3: House it. Take it's kind of a take your medicine, Year,
43:23
Speaker 3: like we just. Bought see what?
43:24
Speaker 4: Happened we just bought this dilapidated, property all, Right and
43:28
Speaker 4: right now we're driving a bulldozer and we're we're buying
43:32
Speaker 4: the dumpster and we're we're tearing it, down we're cleaning it.
43:36
Speaker 3: Out we're.
43:36
Speaker 4: Figuring, okay, now let's, uh should we keep that? Tree
43:39
Speaker 4: that's really? Nice it's a, well it's a beautiful old cottonwood.
43:42
Speaker 4: Tree do we want to be the neighbor that cuts
43:44
Speaker 4: that thing? Down, look they got. It they got a
43:47
Speaker 4: fruiting apple tree over. There let's keep that, one, Right
43:50
Speaker 4: like what about the? Concrete is the driveway?
43:52
Speaker 3: Good?
43:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah don't tear up the. Concrete you just got
43:55
Speaker 4: to get rid of the, garage but leave the. Concrete
43:57
Speaker 4: that's Where utah is at right now by you was,
44:01
Speaker 4: like look at this parade.
44:02
Speaker 3: Home we have everyone a water slide in the living.
44:06
Speaker 4: Room everyone buy tickets and walk through this parade.
44:09
Speaker 3: Home it's gonna be the greatest thing you've ever. Seen
44:12
Speaker 3: and guess what we ALL i, Did maybe not we all.
44:15
Speaker 3: DID i. DID i was just, Like oh my.
44:17
Speaker 4: Gosh they've got A tv that drops down from the
44:20
Speaker 4: ceiling and another one that raises up from the.
44:22
Speaker 3: FLOOR i don't know why they need two, TVs but
44:24
Speaker 3: they have. Them, right.
44:28
Speaker 4: You can slide water slide in the living, room and
44:32
Speaker 4: you can slide not a water, slide from the kid's
44:34
Speaker 4: bedroom to the. Kitchen this is. Incredible they have a
44:37
Speaker 4: hot tub inside their hot.
44:38
Speaker 3: Tub this is. Crazy there's a trapdoor to the other hot,
44:42
Speaker 3: tub like you know they.
44:44
Speaker 4: Had like if you're A byu, fan you're, like we
44:47
Speaker 4: have it. All this is going to win us A
44:50
Speaker 4: big twelve. Championship this is going To we have AN nba,
44:54
Speaker 4: Coach we have Aj, debanza we Have Ritchie, saunders our
44:58
Speaker 4: best guy from last. Year we got him to come.
45:01
Speaker 4: Back that was an incredible offseason thing for. Them we
45:04
Speaker 4: got we Got keba to do The yeoman's. Work you,
45:07
Speaker 4: know we got our Own Draymond green type player on this.
45:10
Speaker 4: Team oh and guess. What we went out and we
45:13
Speaker 4: undermined one of our toughest rivals in college hoops in the,
45:18
Speaker 4: conference and we stole their best, player who a bunch
45:22
Speaker 4: of other teams in the conference in the country also.
45:24
Speaker 4: Won we brought him here and then that's how we
45:29
Speaker 4: built our parade. Home and So utah is kind of,
45:32
Speaker 4: like can we even afford a ticket to the parade
45:34
Speaker 4: At homes right? Now But utah fans are in that mind.
45:37
Speaker 4: Space kansas, Fans Iowa state, FANS byu fans are all in. This,
45:46
Speaker 4: hey we got. It look at our, roster look at our.
45:49
Speaker 4: Coaches we're gonna make a. Run and now you're having
45:52
Speaker 4: to look at it if you're A byu, fan and
45:54
Speaker 4: you got to be, like, OOH i don't know, Actually
45:58
Speaker 4: and the problem, is and this is where my parade of,
46:02
Speaker 4: homes analogy THAT i should have thought about more carefully
46:07
Speaker 4: BEFORE i spit it, out is.
46:08
Speaker 3: Gone. Right this is where it, evaporates because it's.
46:11
Speaker 4: Really more like a sports car that you can put
46:17
Speaker 4: like four thousand miles on before it loses all its.
46:20
Speaker 3: Value Because.
46:24
Speaker 4: Rob wright's going to be gone next, Year richie's going
46:26
Speaker 4: to be gone next. YEAR aj is going to be
46:29
Speaker 4: gone next, year and you're not right now in the
46:33
Speaker 4: conversation with the other top players in the, country those top,
46:36
Speaker 4: players they like your money that you're. Offering but, again
46:40
Speaker 4: you don't want to be the highest bider on. Anything
46:42
Speaker 4: so now that kid might not care That Kevin young,
46:45
Speaker 4: Coach Devin booker And Kevin. Durant that kid.
46:48
Speaker 3: Wants the guy who Coached.
46:49
Speaker 4: Lebron that kid wants someone With Steve kerr connections. Instead, Right,
46:55
Speaker 4: so now you're in this weird space where you're one
47:00
Speaker 4: your very expensive, experiment whether it was ten million dollars
47:04
Speaker 4: total or if it was twenty five million dollars, total
47:06
Speaker 4: whatever world you want to live. In from a fan,
47:09
Speaker 4: perspective now you have to question is it worth it moving?
47:14
Speaker 4: Forward can we do it? Again and by the, way
47:17
Speaker 4: if we are willing to do it, again is there
47:21
Speaker 4: someone that we could even spend that even makes sense
47:24
Speaker 4: to spend that money. On is there someone that we
47:28
Speaker 4: care enough about that the rest of the world wants
47:30
Speaker 4: bad enough that we're gonna have to pay that to that?
47:33
Speaker 4: Guy can we stay on the? Radar this year is
47:36
Speaker 4: not helping you in that. Regard that's where you got
47:40
Speaker 4: a bank. On Kevin young's a good if you believe
47:46
Speaker 4: That Kevin young is a good enough coach to make
47:48
Speaker 4: adjustment needed adjustments to get the most out of out
47:51
Speaker 4: of his team like you did in year. One, yeah
47:54
Speaker 4: and after a tough, start they Gelled february of last
47:59
Speaker 4: year and they took it all the way to The sweet.
48:01
Speaker 4: Sixteen he's if, you if you Believe Kevin young is
48:07
Speaker 4: is that coach that can do that long. Term that's
48:09
Speaker 4: where you got to bank it. On, Is, hey we're
48:12
Speaker 4: not gonna have we're not gonna be as talents next.
48:14
Speaker 4: Year we're still we're still gonna Be we're still have
48:17
Speaker 4: enough talent to do some. THINGS i, is if You're Kevin,
48:20
Speaker 4: young IF i as a head, coach my coaching, staff
48:23
Speaker 4: we're gonna have to get the best out of the
48:25
Speaker 4: talent that we bring in because we're not gonna have
48:26
Speaker 4: A Jed bonton next. Year that's what's gonna be their saving.
48:29
Speaker 4: Grace and they're also gonna be, like, well most, realistically
48:32
Speaker 4: they're also gonna be like, a we probably need to
48:35
Speaker 4: spend a little bit more money on our. Bench, yeah
48:37
Speaker 4: that's suit spread the spread the. Love instead of coming
48:40
Speaker 4: up with A big THREE nba, style you spread it
48:44
Speaker 4: around to get a more well rounded team can be
48:47
Speaker 4: In utah, FANS i know we have a hard time
48:49
Speaker 4: being realistic about conference. Rivals but so if you're if
48:55
Speaker 4: you're a football, savant do you want to go play
49:00
Speaker 4: At Texas? Tech do you want to go play At
49:03
Speaker 4: Texas tech next? Year do you want?
49:06
Speaker 3: To probably not now if they pay you. Enough, sure
49:11
Speaker 3: but in their breakout year they got embarrassed in The
49:14
Speaker 3: College Football.
49:15
Speaker 4: Playoff if you're a college if you're a college basketball,
49:18
Speaker 4: vunderkind you're the best of the best of the, best
49:21
Speaker 4: do you want to go play AT byu next? Year
49:23
Speaker 4: when you have all the options in the. World the
49:26
Speaker 4: answer in both cases, is, well probably, not unless unless
49:32
Speaker 4: they're the highest bidder you might have to.
49:35
Speaker 3: Be and that's just by the. Way a couple Of
49:39
Speaker 3: big twelve.
49:40
Speaker 4: TEAMS i didn't even talk enough About, Kansas, Houston Texas,
49:44
Speaker 4: Tech Iowa, state who are gonna make deep RUNS i
49:47
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Speaker 4: i went kind of long on the combine numbers from
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Speaker 4: from the scouting.
52:33
Speaker 3: Combine here's the.
52:35
Speaker 4: Thing THE nfl really has a decision to make about
52:39
Speaker 4: whether they want to make this the annual event that it.
52:44
Speaker 4: Is to, me it feels like a no. Brainer absolutely,
52:47
Speaker 4: yes keep incentivizing players to go train and then show
52:53
Speaker 4: up at the combine and run their, drills like if
52:57
Speaker 4: this is something even though you could, Tweak we don't
53:00
Speaker 4: need to use laser timers.
53:02
Speaker 3: Anymore you don't even need to use stopwatches.
53:04
Speaker 4: Anymore what you can use is you can use THE
53:07
Speaker 4: gps things that show how fast these guys are moving through.
53:10
Speaker 4: Space it gives you probably a better assessment than a
53:13
Speaker 4: straight forty yard, drilled a straight forty yard dash does
53:17
Speaker 4: a lot of guys are opting out of the bench
53:19
Speaker 4: press now BECAUSE i think everyone's kind of realizing it's,
53:22
Speaker 4: Stupid like.
53:26
Speaker 3: Does it matter that you have upper body? Strength?
53:28
Speaker 4: Yes is that the most direct test of upper body
53:33
Speaker 4: strength that then translates to a football?
53:35
Speaker 3: Field? MAYBE i don't.
53:37
Speaker 4: Know The Jacksonville jaguars and The La rams did not
53:42
Speaker 4: even attend the, combine and that's where THE nfl has
53:48
Speaker 4: to look at it and, go wait a, second what.
53:51
Speaker 4: Now part of that is because of the draft haul
53:52
Speaker 4: that they, have because of the draft picks that they,
53:54
Speaker 4: Have but part of it is because they're, like, well
54:00
Speaker 4: we're gonna Have pro day workouts, anyway we got a
54:05
Speaker 4: good idea of maybe where we want to, go what
54:07
Speaker 4: we want to do the players we, need et, cetera et.
54:09
Speaker 4: CETERA i don't need to go sit around for sixteen,
54:15
Speaker 4: hours say.
54:18
Speaker 3: What AM i talking? About it's a way longer than.
54:19
Speaker 4: THAT i don't need to go spend a week In
54:22
Speaker 4: indianapolis asking people trick questions and then watching them run
54:28
Speaker 4: around in their. Underwear there are, teams not, players not.
54:31
Speaker 4: Agents there are teams that are sending this message to THE. Nfl.
54:36
Speaker 4: NOW i don't know if this is valuable for. US
54:40
Speaker 4: i don't know if we need. THIS i don't know
54:41
Speaker 4: if we want this anymore. Teams that surprises me to an,
54:46
Speaker 4: extent but it forces the league to, say, wait hold,
54:50
Speaker 4: on do we need to make a.
54:52
Speaker 3: CHANGE i don't think they.
54:54
Speaker 4: WILL i think that if there's any tweaks like AN
54:58
Speaker 4: Nba All Star, game although this is much, different it's
55:01
Speaker 4: going to be something that maybe makes it a little
55:03
Speaker 4: bit more fan, Friendly but it's supposed to be a
55:09
Speaker 4: showcase for the players and for the league. Itself it
55:12
Speaker 4: turned into a television event because of our weird fascination
55:16
Speaker 4: with these superhuman.
55:17
Speaker 3: Bodies that was a byproduct for THE.
55:21
Speaker 4: Nfl it was never intended to be a television, event
55:27
Speaker 4: and back in the early, days it basically Wasn't it
55:31
Speaker 4: was an afterthought for. Programming now it's they got their own,
55:34
Speaker 4: network let's put it on and THEN espn shows. Up
55:38
Speaker 4: The pat McAfee show was. THERE i mean it became
55:42
Speaker 4: it grew into this. Thing when you have something that
55:45
Speaker 4: organically grows into a, phenomenon it's hard to organically prevent
55:54
Speaker 4: it from. Dying if that's the direction that it's. Headed
56:03
Speaker 4: so The Pro bowl is already a. Nothing The combine
56:08
Speaker 4: the last few years have people starting to question its.
56:12
Speaker 4: Value we might be ten years away from feeling the
56:15
Speaker 4: same way about The.
56:16
Speaker 3: Combine is this something that The.
56:19
Speaker 4: League one of their reactions to this would, be we're
56:23
Speaker 4: gonna make it, mandatory mandatory that you send somebody to
56:27
Speaker 4: The combine every year before they start making tweaks to
56:32
Speaker 4: make it more valuable and incentivized teams to be. There
56:35
Speaker 4: that you think that they might just be like flex
56:37
Speaker 4: their muscle and be, like, no you have to be
56:39
Speaker 4: there because we can't afford teams opt teams opting out of.
56:44
Speaker 4: Combines we already have too many players opting. Out we
56:46
Speaker 4: can't afford to have teams to. IT i should be
56:48
Speaker 4: clear by the, way that like area scouts for those
56:50
Speaker 4: teams were. There, okay but but if your, coach YOUR,
56:54
Speaker 4: gm your owner are not, there you basically opted. Out you've,
56:57
Speaker 4: said this is the same as going to watch like
57:00
Speaker 4: a college football.
57:02
Speaker 3: Game this is like going to the bowl.
57:04
Speaker 4: Game so if you want to prevent these optics from
57:11
Speaker 4: growing into more of a, conversation if you're THE, nfl
57:15
Speaker 4: you probably can Get Roger goodell to call somebody and just, Say,
57:18
Speaker 4: hey don't care which of you it, is BUT i
57:22
Speaker 4: need somebody, there AND i prefer there to Be sean
57:26
Speaker 4: McVay because he's the most recognizable.
57:28
Speaker 3: Face, like if You're Liam, cohen why aren't you.
57:34
Speaker 4: Going it's not like you're some long established hardcore like
57:39
Speaker 4: died in the.
57:39
Speaker 3: World it's not like You're Bill.
57:41
Speaker 4: Belichick you're not even Weird Jim harbaugh who sits there
57:44
Speaker 4: with his mouth open the whole time they. Go the
57:47
Speaker 4: camera cuts to, him and you're just, like if that
57:50
Speaker 4: guy had not been AN nfl, quarterback you would think
57:53
Speaker 4: he was like some kind of. Weirdo he'd be the
57:58
Speaker 4: guy like at the public library walking around striking up
58:01
Speaker 4: random conversations with people about obscure. Topics, instead he ended
58:07
Speaker 4: up having great. Athleticism he's an odd, duck right he.
58:11
Speaker 4: Is it's not like you're in that category. Though if You're,
58:15
Speaker 4: cohen you're heading into your second year as a head coach.
58:19
Speaker 3: And you're just, like, Nah i'm too cool for.
58:21
Speaker 4: This and by the, way there's a narrative that you
58:24
Speaker 4: underachieved the end of your year, too like you're.
58:28
Speaker 3: Not it's.
58:28
Speaker 4: Not people are happy with the job he did in
58:32
Speaker 4: his first, year but there's there's at least a minority that, goes,
58:37
Speaker 4: hey you should have won a home playoff.
58:39
Speaker 3: Game they don't have a first round pick this. Year
58:45
Speaker 3: but it's not only first round picks that go to The.
58:51
Speaker 4: COMBINE i, mean just from The university Of, utah you
58:57
Speaker 4: had three guys that are very definitely not gonna be
59:00
Speaker 4: first round. Picks how many how many toll players got
59:04
Speaker 4: invited to The combine this? Year only thirty two of
59:07
Speaker 4: them are going to be first round. PICKS i don't, know,
59:10
Speaker 4: Man jaguars abdicating their. Responsibility don't get too big for
59:14
Speaker 4: your duval bridges, Yet. Jaguars, okay your leopards by your
59:19
Speaker 4: jaguars spotted bridges. Anyway that that's one that's gonna be
59:26
Speaker 4: weird for me if THE nfl starts to tweak the
59:29
Speaker 4: combine or think about moving, it shrinking, it making it,
59:34
Speaker 4: different because it has become a major part of MY
59:39
Speaker 4: nfl fan.
59:40
Speaker 3: Experience got to take a.
59:43
Speaker 4: Break Rocko miller From The bracketeer is going to join.
59:46
Speaker 4: Us we'll talk about you guessed, it the tournament taking
59:50
Speaker 4: shape in college, basketball getting a sense of where The
59:53
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Speaker 4: Am said, much haven't?
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Speaker 4: Bracketology Rocco miller from The bracketeer joins us to project
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Speaker 4: the UPCOMING ncaa tournament and maybe some outcomes before we get,
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Speaker 3: Yes that's. Me how are you all?
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Speaker 7: Right great to be out with. You it's been in
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Speaker 7: the works a little, while and it's a Great. Monday
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Speaker 7: we get The Horizon league tournament, tonight so Our fortnite begins,
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Speaker 7: today fourteen days of championship, week and obviously in The
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Speaker 7: bigger league's a crucial final week to see where the
1:01:16
Speaker 7: league play finishes. Up we get our brackets at the
1:01:18
Speaker 7: end of the week for those. Leagues so just excitement
1:01:20
Speaker 7: all over the.
1:01:21
Speaker 4: Place, well you might be aware that we're the home
1:01:23
Speaker 4: of The utes and there's not going to be any
1:01:25
Speaker 4: postseason love happening for our beloved Running, utes although we're
1:01:30
Speaker 4: confident that that rebuild will be heading in the right
1:01:32
Speaker 4: direction sooner than later under the program Legend Alex. Jensen
1:01:36
Speaker 4: but still fascinated with everything going on in The big.
1:01:39
Speaker 4: Twelve and we've seen a couple of times this YEAR
1:01:42
Speaker 4: i think kind of the top team shuffle, around, right
1:01:46
Speaker 4: it's Been arizona a lot of the. Year Iowa state
1:01:48
Speaker 4: made their, Case houston made their, Case Texas. Tech maybe
1:01:52
Speaker 4: under that conversation for a brief, period are The Arizona
1:01:56
Speaker 4: wildcats a clear number one in The Big Twelve conference
1:01:59
Speaker 4: the top of the. Standings are they significantly better than everyone?
1:02:03
Speaker 7: Else, yeah that's a great question BECAUSE i think you
1:02:07
Speaker 7: look at the week they had where they slipped up
1:02:10
Speaker 7: twice in a, row and it's just hard to be
1:02:13
Speaker 7: convicted in. That you, Know Texas, tech of, course had
1:02:16
Speaker 7: a full roster at the. TIME i don't know if
1:02:18
Speaker 7: that even, matters because they've been pretty darn, awesome even
1:02:21
Speaker 7: WITH jt topping on the. Shelf and they came in
1:02:23
Speaker 7: and they got the toughest win in the, conference but
1:02:26
Speaker 7: it's proven to be the toughest win in the, conference
1:02:29
Speaker 7: which is winning In. Tucson they're the only team to do,
1:02:31
Speaker 7: it doing it and. Overtime and they slipped up At,
1:02:34
Speaker 7: kansas which you, know on A, MONDAY i Think kansas
1:02:37
Speaker 7: beats everybody On monday is at. Home But arizona are
1:02:41
Speaker 7: clearly the best. Resume they've earned the number one. Spot
1:02:44
Speaker 7: but when you get to The Big twelve, tournament and
1:02:47
Speaker 7: even as we you, know we approach a big game
1:02:50
Speaker 7: Tonight Iowa state coming off of a, loss you should
1:02:53
Speaker 7: see the best effort from The. Cyclones it's a short.
1:02:55
Speaker 7: Turnaround so at Vantage arizona, still BUT i Think Iowa
1:02:59
Speaker 7: state should be, hungry be. Interesting but if they get,
1:03:02
Speaker 7: that they'll lock up the number one. Spot and of,
1:03:05
Speaker 7: course from a bracketology, Standpoint arizona's earned that throughout the.
1:03:09
Speaker 7: Year they had a thirteen to no non conference schedule that.
1:03:11
Speaker 7: Improved that was just impressive across the, board winning At,
1:03:15
Speaker 7: yukon Beating florida on opening, night going To alabama and
1:03:19
Speaker 7: Beating alabama by over. TWENTY i, mean so you did
1:03:22
Speaker 7: the merits belong to The, wildcats BUT i think you
1:03:25
Speaker 7: know you asked. Me on a basketball, LEVEL i think
1:03:28
Speaker 7: there's the opportunities to compete with The wildcats and outlast
1:03:32
Speaker 7: them Like Texas tech. Did if you have a deep,
1:03:34
Speaker 7: team are.
1:03:35
Speaker 4: There any deficiencies on this roster that give you? PAUSE i,
1:03:40
Speaker 4: mean they are going to be a number one, seed
1:03:41
Speaker 4: but then make you look at them with the weather
1:03:43
Speaker 4: eye and, say, ah, well tournament teams you kind of
1:03:46
Speaker 4: need this and they don't have.
1:03:47
Speaker 9: It is there?
1:03:48
Speaker 4: Anything is there any chink in the armor For arizona
1:03:51
Speaker 4: that concerns you at this?
1:03:52
Speaker 7: Point nothing, SPECIFICALLY i think historically With Tommy, LLOYD i
1:04:00
Speaker 7: studied him for. Years you know he was At gonzaga
1:04:02
Speaker 7: for twenty years and then of course gets the head,
1:04:04
Speaker 7: job AND i covered The pac Twelve puls as you
1:04:06
Speaker 7: guys know as the running youth. Station you, know when
1:04:11
Speaker 7: he gets to the, tournament he was seeing teams being
1:04:14
Speaker 7: able to slow down transition and that rim to rim
1:04:17
Speaker 7: style that they've always, had that relentless. Attack you know
1:04:20
Speaker 7: what we saw work early this year in The alabama.
1:04:22
Speaker 7: Game they put up ninety six In. Alabama could not
1:04:25
Speaker 7: slow them. Down they just they freight train a lot
1:04:27
Speaker 7: of teams and that's Got tommy to twenty to twenty
1:04:30
Speaker 7: five wins every. Year and now they've got to figure
1:04:33
Speaker 7: out the physicality part of. It AND i think they've
1:04:35
Speaker 7: done that with this, roster whether you look At joviahwaka
1:04:39
Speaker 7: or of Course CoA pete who's back. Healthy, NOW i
1:04:43
Speaker 7: think they've figured out a lot of the physicality. Pieces
1:04:45
Speaker 7: but you still want to see it when we get
1:04:47
Speaker 7: deep In. March, LIKE i think this team's way too
1:04:49
Speaker 7: good to lose in the first week of the, tournament
1:04:52
Speaker 7: so they're almost like a hue in for The sweet.
1:04:55
Speaker 7: Sixteen BUT i think once we get to that round and,
1:04:57
Speaker 7: beyond the pressure will be on BECAUSE i think Under
1:05:01
Speaker 7: tommy they haven't got past this week, sixteen and a
1:05:03
Speaker 7: lot of that's just due to teams being very if
1:05:07
Speaker 7: they run into the wrong, matchup being able to deny that,
1:05:10
Speaker 7: transition make them set up their half court for forty
1:05:13
Speaker 7: minutes and then really execute in the half. Court but
1:05:16
Speaker 7: with guys Like Braden burry's And, bradley they've been able
1:05:22
Speaker 7: to manage some of those tests throughout the, year and
1:05:23
Speaker 7: that's what's impressing the. Most SO i do think they
1:05:26
Speaker 7: Are Final four, caliber BUT i still want to see
1:05:28
Speaker 7: it BECAUSE i think it will Make arizona fans nervous
1:05:32
Speaker 7: when they're in a dogfight like that within the bright.
1:05:35
Speaker 4: Lights this next, question you're going to be able to
1:05:38
Speaker 4: tell him more of a football, guy because it's Definitely
1:05:42
Speaker 4: it's definitely a conversation we have at the end of
1:05:44
Speaker 4: college football season whether you judge teams more on their
1:05:49
Speaker 4: quality wins or their weird. Losses they're bad, losses they're questionable.
1:05:53
Speaker 4: Losses i'm thinking specifically About Iowa state because at their very,
1:05:58
Speaker 4: BEST i think they can beat any but they've also
1:06:00
Speaker 4: shown us that they can not look great Against, CINCINNATI,
1:06:04
Speaker 4: tcu against THE byu team THAT i will get to
1:06:07
Speaker 4: here in a second THAT i have a hard time. Explaining,
1:06:10
Speaker 4: so especially this time of, year is it the big
1:06:15
Speaker 4: wins or the bad losses that tell you more about a?
1:06:17
Speaker 7: Team, yeah, WELL i think it's an interesting question because
1:06:22
Speaker 7: from a bracket voting, perspective when we're trying to order
1:06:26
Speaker 7: the seed, list you, know and we're comparing, Teams SO
1:06:28
Speaker 7: i always say it's getting compared To, houston who they
1:06:30
Speaker 7: beat at, home but like it's very debatable who is,
1:06:33
Speaker 7: better and you're looking at the evaluation of all the
1:06:38
Speaker 7: results and that's all you can really go off. Of
1:06:40
Speaker 7: for seeding, teams you typically lean towards the top end
1:06:45
Speaker 7: of the, resume and this Selection committe's already shown that
1:06:49
Speaker 7: with their inclusion Of Iowa state as a one seat
1:06:51
Speaker 7: on the bracket preview show two saturdays. Ago they quickly
1:06:55
Speaker 7: threw that one seat in the garbage when they went
1:06:57
Speaker 7: to provo about eight hours later and lost by ten
1:07:00
Speaker 7: to A Richie saunders List cougar's. Team but the point
1:07:05
Speaker 7: of the matter, WAS i always stated a big reason
1:07:06
Speaker 7: why they got that spot from the actual committee is
1:07:10
Speaker 7: because they had better non conference results and that big
1:07:13
Speaker 7: road win At purdue at the start of the year
1:07:17
Speaker 7: That houston really couldn't match from a resume, standpoint AND
1:07:20
Speaker 7: i think that outweighed their loss At cincinnati because the
1:07:24
Speaker 7: WAY i was looking at it at that time, Was,
1:07:27
Speaker 7: Okay houston's gone To cincinnati and they handled The, bearcats no.
1:07:30
Speaker 7: Problem Iowa state went there and they ran into all
1:07:33
Speaker 7: sorts of, problems and The, bearcats you, know basically wired
1:07:37
Speaker 7: to wire beat The, cyclones much like the same type
1:07:40
Speaker 7: of GAME byu add against The. Cyclones so it all.
1:07:43
Speaker 7: Matters BUT i do think if it's close, enough the
1:07:47
Speaker 7: committee's going to lean towards what you've actually proven you
1:07:50
Speaker 7: can do at the very top of your, resume whether
1:07:52
Speaker 7: that's a huge road win or a collection of big home.
1:07:55
Speaker 7: Wins And Iowa state it's got a nice little mix of.
1:07:58
Speaker 7: Both but, again like the, losses can't pile up too,
1:08:02
Speaker 7: high so there's a balancing act to it. All like
1:08:04
Speaker 7: the bad, outway the good is the good outweigh the,
1:08:07
Speaker 7: bad and you basically just compare teams all the way
1:08:10
Speaker 7: down the board that. WAY i would say from a
1:08:14
Speaker 7: future basketball, PERSPECTIVE i would be more concerned about In Iowa.
1:08:17
Speaker 7: State you, know they've had this same type of season
1:08:20
Speaker 7: under Tj. OTSELBERGER i think for his, field like the
1:08:24
Speaker 7: last five, years maybe it's only three or, four but
1:08:27
Speaker 7: where they have just Dominant november And december is where
1:08:31
Speaker 7: they look like the best team in the country and
1:08:32
Speaker 7: they're totally destroying, everybody much like they did To. Purdue
1:08:37
Speaker 7: then they get into the grind of conference. Play and
1:08:39
Speaker 7: when you're in conference, play this isn't just The big
1:08:41
Speaker 7: twelve in all thirty one, leagues at all levels of college,
1:08:44
Speaker 7: basketball the scouting reports get a lot more dialed in
1:08:47
Speaker 7: and take away some of your best options and what
1:08:50
Speaker 7: then it becomes like what's your third? Option what's your fourth?
1:08:52
Speaker 7: Option is that still a strong way to? Execute AND i,
1:08:55
Speaker 7: think you, Know cincinnati's got one of the best defenses
1:08:58
Speaker 7: in the, country even though they have a bad record
1:09:00
Speaker 7: and they probably won't make the. Tournament and when that
1:09:03
Speaker 7: was a game that really concerned me BECAUSE i feel
1:09:05
Speaker 7: like other teams who play even better defense could Give
1:09:08
Speaker 7: Iowa state a lot of. Trouble and And byu is
1:09:12
Speaker 7: not known, for you, know terrific. Defense it's, solid but
1:09:15
Speaker 7: it's not anything's. Elite and they also Got Iowa state
1:09:19
Speaker 7: out of their comfort zone as. Well SO i think
1:09:21
Speaker 7: from a projection, STANDPOINT i have a very difficult time
1:09:25
Speaker 7: envisioning I Aoways state getting to The final four because
1:09:27
Speaker 7: of some of those.
1:09:29
Speaker 4: Characteristics Rocomiller bracketologists from The bracketteer Dot org is our
1:09:33
Speaker 4: guest here on The sean O'Connell show right. Now all,
1:09:36
Speaker 4: right there's a lot of people that listen to this
1:09:39
Speaker 4: show that probably at least hate watched THE Byu, cougars
1:09:42
Speaker 4: and they were at the beginning of this, season they
1:09:44
Speaker 4: were one of the more fascinating rosters in college. Basketball
1:09:48
Speaker 4: they still are very, interesting although you already mentioned they
1:09:51
Speaker 4: Are Richie saunders less and he makes them a lot,
1:09:53
Speaker 4: better and you, know THEY'RE i talked about the head
1:09:57
Speaker 4: scratching losses For Iowa state got even. More they've fallen
1:10:01
Speaker 4: out of the rankings and they were a team that
1:10:04
Speaker 4: many people thought we Was elite eight or. Bust and
1:10:06
Speaker 4: NOW i have a hard time seeing anything better than
1:10:09
Speaker 4: A sweet sixteen. Team if, That what do you think
1:10:13
Speaker 4: OF byu who's got one of the top individual players
1:10:16
Speaker 4: in the, country but chemistry, wise they haven't figured it out.
1:10:19
Speaker 7: Yet, YEAH i think Without Richie saunders it's a big
1:10:23
Speaker 7: challenge because he was clearly their, leader so emotionally it's
1:10:28
Speaker 7: a difference without. Him hopefully for their, sake he's around every.
1:10:32
Speaker 7: DAY i think he is and helping as maybe like
1:10:34
Speaker 7: an assistant coach type of guy to keep them fired
1:10:37
Speaker 7: up and motivated and know where they need to. Go
1:10:39
Speaker 7: BUT i think the biggest thing About saunders was he
1:10:42
Speaker 7: was elite at four spacing and force bacing is everything
1:10:46
Speaker 7: in the modern offense That Coach young runs THE nba,
1:10:49
Speaker 7: style and that's what was freeing them up to get open.
1:10:52
Speaker 7: Looks often it's not Only saunders himself spacing the flour
1:10:57
Speaker 7: to free himself, up but the actions without the ball
1:11:00
Speaker 7: to kind of create driving lanes for a. Devince and
1:11:04
Speaker 7: so without that level OF iq on the, court Without,
1:11:08
Speaker 7: saunders it's clogging things up more and The boss is
1:11:12
Speaker 7: getting more. Doubles AND i think that's just making it
1:11:14
Speaker 7: tough because they're also looking, for you, know a secondary
1:11:18
Speaker 7: and third. Storer we know, Scorer we know That Robert
1:11:22
Speaker 7: wright the third is very capable And Kennard davis is very,
1:11:24
Speaker 7: capable but there's just been a lack of someone to
1:11:30
Speaker 7: really really embrace. That and also you, know it feels
1:11:34
Speaker 7: Like devanta needs to go for forty in these bigger,
1:11:36
Speaker 7: games and it's just probably too much to. Ask THE
1:11:40
Speaker 7: ucf game was absolutely, stunning you, know to see that
1:11:45
Speaker 7: score at, Halftime they're down by twenty plus and THE
1:11:48
Speaker 7: ucfs a team not with like an elite, offense and
1:11:50
Speaker 7: they have fifty plus at the. Break the game was
1:11:53
Speaker 7: over pretty, quick and that happened at The Marriott, center
1:11:56
Speaker 7: one of the hardest places to. Win SO i think
1:11:59
Speaker 7: there's lots to be concerned. WITH i think it's the
1:12:01
Speaker 7: stematics of the. Offense they still have two weeks to
1:12:04
Speaker 7: kind of fix, that So i'm just kind of watching
1:12:07
Speaker 7: them game by game to see if they can find
1:12:09
Speaker 7: a formula that. Works but this was just a brutal
1:12:12
Speaker 7: timing to Have saunders go, down because, again he was
1:12:15
Speaker 7: the straw that stirred the drink for the. Offense and
1:12:17
Speaker 7: now they're basically putting a lot of weight on De
1:12:21
Speaker 7: bans AND i don't know if that's going to work
1:12:23
Speaker 7: against the better. Teams it clearly. Hasn't the last, Week
1:12:26
Speaker 7: West virginia also outlasted them down In, morgantown and so
1:12:31
Speaker 7: now that the pressure's on and their seed is starting
1:12:34
Speaker 7: to tank. THAT i, mean they do still have a
1:12:36
Speaker 7: six seed in my bracket, today but by a very slim.
1:12:39
Speaker 7: Margin that want to last on the six seed. Lines
1:12:42
Speaker 7: but if they were to fall again this, week especially
1:12:45
Speaker 7: if they fell, twice they're probably going to be. Down
1:12:47
Speaker 7: as crazy as it, sounds they're probably gonna be down
1:12:49
Speaker 7: to like an eight nine type of geam and that was.
1:12:52
Speaker 7: Unimaginable just a few weeks.
1:12:54
Speaker 4: Ago we spent a lot of time on this show
1:12:58
Speaker 4: wondering what the heck is wrong With Darren, peterson AND
1:13:00
Speaker 4: i think people In kansas were doing that even. More
1:13:03
Speaker 4: he's playing regular minutes and you, know he sometimes takes
1:13:08
Speaker 4: a lot of shots to give that team a lot of,
1:13:10
Speaker 4: points but they've also learned how to win some big
1:13:12
Speaker 4: games without. Him, still there's some inconsistency THAT i think
1:13:17
Speaker 4: you have to tie back into what happened with, him
1:13:20
Speaker 4: especially earlier in the. Season Can kansas get over that
1:13:25
Speaker 4: hump before we head into tournament.
1:13:28
Speaker 7: Time that's a million dollar, Question, sean because you, KNOW
1:13:34
Speaker 7: i don't know exactly how much it's. Impacting it's certainly
1:13:39
Speaker 7: impacting the team internally at some. Level if you go
1:13:42
Speaker 7: back to that game they had With Oklahoma. STATE i
1:13:45
Speaker 7: think it was a couple Of wednesdays. Ago that was
1:13:48
Speaker 7: the first. Sign bill self has been a professional about
1:13:51
Speaker 7: it the entire. Time AND i know it's an unusual,
1:13:53
Speaker 7: situation probably unprecedented to have a player of his caliber
1:13:57
Speaker 7: basically managing his own minute take himself out of the.
1:14:00
Speaker 7: Game the things are going on for you, know four
1:14:04
Speaker 7: and a half months, now and that press, Conference bill
1:14:08
Speaker 7: self finally started to crack and just say he doesn't
1:14:10
Speaker 7: even know When peterson's going to pull himself. Out and
1:14:14
Speaker 7: perhaps after that, moment like you, said the last performance or,
1:14:18
Speaker 7: two if he played, more much more, consistently maybe they
1:14:20
Speaker 7: had a kumbaya and hashed it out and and he's all.
1:14:24
Speaker 7: In and if that's the, case then the sky's the,
1:14:26
Speaker 7: limit of, course but we just don't know What we
1:14:29
Speaker 7: don't know A coig change week to. Week, uh you,
1:14:31
Speaker 7: know there's there's smaller examples of this and different levels
1:14:34
Speaker 7: of the college. Basketball nobody's a star quite the level Of,
1:14:39
Speaker 7: peterson but we Saw Chad Baker mazar for example AT. Usc,
1:14:42
Speaker 7: yes they leave the, team it's just like you're leaving
1:14:45
Speaker 7: the team right before the final week of the. Season
1:14:47
Speaker 7: it's it's it's kind of crazy with the amount of
1:14:50
Speaker 7: money that some of these guys get, paid and then
1:14:52
Speaker 7: the leverage they have over there over their teams and
1:14:55
Speaker 7: so but the Thing i'll say About kansas is When
1:14:58
Speaker 7: peterson's not even played at, All they've been able to
1:15:02
Speaker 7: Beat arizona without, him they Beat tennessee earlier this year without,
1:15:06
Speaker 7: him and they've played they've actually played better defense when
1:15:09
Speaker 7: he's off the floor and when they're on. Offense When
1:15:13
Speaker 7: peterson does, play there's a lot of like standing around
1:15:15
Speaker 7: and Watching peterson, cook which is which is great because
1:15:18
Speaker 7: he scores a, lot but sometimes it makes those guys
1:15:21
Speaker 7: less effective the other four players because they're not moving as.
1:15:25
Speaker 7: Much the ball movement's not the ball not moving the same.
1:15:27
Speaker 7: Amount so from a basketball, EYE i kind of like
1:15:31
Speaker 7: their team when they don't have, him just because they're
1:15:33
Speaker 7: playing more connected and together and they're playing better. Defense
1:15:37
Speaker 7: but when he is, playing of course they can beat
1:15:40
Speaker 7: the elite teams like a little bit more. Predictably SO
1:15:45
Speaker 7: i think they're in good hands either. Way they just
1:15:46
Speaker 7: need to figure out that the internal, drama BECAUSE i
1:15:49
Speaker 7: think if it's unexpected even for, themselves that's certainly going
1:15:52
Speaker 7: to impact their.
1:15:53
Speaker 3: Performance what's the ceiling For Texas tech without. Topping looks
1:16:00
Speaker 3: like it's.
1:16:01
Speaker 7: Through the roof to. ME i don't know about, you,
1:16:02
Speaker 7: guys but all we know is three, games and the
1:16:09
Speaker 7: first two were two. Ups, Right they'd Beat Kansas state And,
1:16:11
Speaker 7: cincinnati which is. Great that's one. Thing but when they
1:16:14
Speaker 7: go To hilton and they're the first team to win
1:16:16
Speaker 7: At hilton and they do it the way they did
1:16:19
Speaker 7: up by sixteen and a, halftime running away from The
1:16:22
Speaker 7: cyclones by double, DIGITS i think they've done a phenomenal
1:16:25
Speaker 7: job of getting these seven players that are. Available and
1:16:29
Speaker 7: Obviously Christian anderson's elite talent played For Team germany over the.
1:16:33
Speaker 7: Summer Lawan wats has been an awesome breakout, player so
1:16:37
Speaker 7: Is Jalen. Petty they have plenty of people to score the.
1:16:40
Speaker 7: Ball but the big development Is Luke, bumbaye who was
1:16:43
Speaker 7: their elite rim protecting. Defender he's actually starting to play
1:16:46
Speaker 7: a lot better. Offense he goes six for seven Against
1:16:49
Speaker 7: Iowa state and he looks great at. IT i think
1:16:52
Speaker 7: they could keep these seven guys. Healthy that is the
1:16:54
Speaker 7: key For Texas, tech Especially. Bombaye if they keep the
1:16:59
Speaker 7: seven guys. HEALTHY i like their chances that they're on
1:17:02
Speaker 7: a mission to get to The final. Four in, GENERAL
1:17:05
Speaker 7: i think people don't Realize Texas tech has two head
1:17:07
Speaker 7: coaches Because grant mccason's an amazing coach, himself But Jeff
1:17:11
Speaker 7: linder came down From wyoming two years ago AND i
1:17:13
Speaker 7: got to sit behind the bench during The elite eight
1:17:16
Speaker 7: And sweet sixteam last, year And Jeff linder is still
1:17:18
Speaker 7: running a lot of the. Operation so they are extremely well.
1:17:22
Speaker 7: Coached they're very accountable on the, floor AND i just
1:17:26
Speaker 7: trust those guys a lot to be very prepared every
1:17:29
Speaker 7: time they take the, court and that's exactly what you
1:17:31
Speaker 7: saw Last. Saturday but, again if they take another injury or,
1:17:35
Speaker 7: two it's going to be a huge problem because they
1:17:37
Speaker 7: really have these seven guys they're riding with the rest.
1:17:40
Speaker 4: Away i've made you labor on The big twelve here
1:17:46
Speaker 4: for a, second BUT i would be remiss in the
1:17:48
Speaker 4: state Of utah IF i didn't ask about what The
1:17:51
Speaker 4: Utah State aggies are capable of once we get to tournament.
1:17:54
Speaker 3: Time with all the.
1:17:56
Speaker 4: Turnover player, wise with all the turnover coach, wise the
1:17:59
Speaker 4: specter was still a very special place and that basketball
1:18:02
Speaker 4: program finds a.
1:18:04
Speaker 3: Way what do you think of The.
1:18:05
Speaker 7: Aggies it's an amazing, program for, sure but, yeah they've
1:18:12
Speaker 7: certainly done enough to be in the, field and the
1:18:14
Speaker 7: way they've been playing, LATELY i think they'll look forward
1:18:17
Speaker 7: to getting out of the Mount west because These Mountain
1:18:19
Speaker 7: west coaches prepare very well for. Them you, know they
1:18:22
Speaker 7: Got San Diego state finally got healthy the night that
1:18:26
Speaker 7: they played, Them so that was a tough break Because
1:18:29
Speaker 7: San Diego state was at home and really rolled. Them
1:18:32
Speaker 7: but the good bounce Back Preta state to just be
1:18:35
Speaker 7: able to Survive Grand. Canyon that game was tied. Late
1:18:38
Speaker 7: i'm a Little i'm a little worried about those last three.
1:18:40
Speaker 7: Performances of, course they lost In nevata before The assets,
1:18:43
Speaker 7: game so it's a wait and see game by. Game
1:18:46
Speaker 7: BUT i just think that these, guys you, know at
1:18:49
Speaker 7: one point they're fifteen to one and they were six
1:18:51
Speaker 7: and oh in the, conference AND i just think from
1:18:54
Speaker 7: that point forward and a lot of and they ripped
1:18:57
Speaker 7: off another nine in a row in the middle of
1:18:59
Speaker 7: league play after. That BUT i think for these, guys
1:19:02
Speaker 7: they've been so looking forward to THE ncaa tournament when
1:19:05
Speaker 7: they get. There i'm hoping they play their best, ball
1:19:07
Speaker 7: but the riggers in the dog days of The Mountain
1:19:09
Speaker 7: west is really starting to get to.
1:19:11
Speaker 4: Them gonna be fun to watch this all come together
1:19:16
Speaker 4: over the next few. Weeks Rocko miller will be on
1:19:19
Speaker 4: top of all of it at The, bracketeer Rock, o
1:19:22
Speaker 4: thanks for your time.
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Speaker 4: So thursday might be a big day in women's basketball
1:21:02
Speaker 4: here in the state Of. Utah tournament will be happening
1:21:05
Speaker 4: in The Big. Twelve on the women's side of, Things
1:21:08
Speaker 4: UTAH byu could rematch one. ANOTHER bau of, course swept
1:21:13
Speaker 4: the regular season. GAMES byu has to get Through, houston
1:21:21
Speaker 4: who right now is last place in the. Conference, yeah
1:21:24
Speaker 4: they're the sixteen seeds and as you, know out of sixteen.
1:21:28
Speaker 4: Teams so that feels like that feels like you can
1:21:34
Speaker 4: pencil them in for the rivalry. Matchup utah has the
1:21:37
Speaker 4: first round by by virtue of being one seed higher
1:21:41
Speaker 4: THAN byu in the standings at, eight so their first
1:21:44
Speaker 4: game will be On thursday twelve. Thirty tip you'll hear
1:21:48
Speaker 4: it here on your home of The, utes and, Yeah
1:21:51
Speaker 4: houston ought to be a team THAT byu women the
1:21:54
Speaker 4: any given company can get, through so that you can
1:21:58
Speaker 4: pretty much pencil in that rival, matchup which we talked
1:22:01
Speaker 4: about Off. Aerroc from a fans, standpoint you might not
1:22:05
Speaker 4: want that third, game but from the players, Standpoint Gavin peterson,
1:22:09
Speaker 4: like they're probably, like you're gonna give us another opportunity
1:22:11
Speaker 4: to try to take these guys. Down we feel good
1:22:13
Speaker 4: if you give us a third chance, here especially if
1:22:16
Speaker 4: you're Like Maddy wilkie who's on your way out of the.
1:22:18
Speaker 4: Program you don't want two losses TO byu in your final.
1:22:22
Speaker 4: Season so if you can KNOCK byu out of the conference,
1:22:25
Speaker 4: tournament let's, go and you you've got everything to play. For,
1:22:29
Speaker 4: still if you're for both, teams both teams on the,
1:22:32
Speaker 4: Bubble utah is a little bit higher in the. Bracketology charlie.
1:22:36
Speaker 4: Cream ESPN's bracketologists has them a little bit higher THAN,
1:22:39
Speaker 4: byu but they're both on the, bubble so you still
1:22:43
Speaker 4: have it's not just a rivalry game rivalry bragging rights
1:22:46
Speaker 4: to play for you both. Teams If utah, wins they
1:22:50
Speaker 4: make their bait a lot more secure and they pretty
1:22:53
Speaker 4: much ELIMINATE. Byu so this is this is a pretty
1:22:58
Speaker 4: awesome matchup that we're assuming's going to take. Place of,
1:23:02
Speaker 4: course By you still has to Beat, houston so we'll.
1:23:04
Speaker 4: See as long as we're talking women's, Basketball Kelsey, plumb
1:23:09
Speaker 4: who's THE wnba vice, president says that the sides are
1:23:13
Speaker 4: getting closer to a deal in THE wnba versus owners
1:23:18
Speaker 4: THE CBA cba. Negotiation they don't have a deal, done
1:23:24
Speaker 4: but apparently the most recent offer was good enough that
1:23:28
Speaker 4: they don't feel like a strike is, necessary and that
1:23:30
Speaker 4: recent offer included seventy percent of the league's net. Revenue
1:23:35
Speaker 4: players want thirty percent of the gross, revenue.
1:23:39
Speaker 3: Which obviously is.
1:23:42
Speaker 4: That's millions, difference tens of millions difference between your gross
1:23:46
Speaker 4: and your net. Growth net of course is after you
1:23:50
Speaker 4: you include the, expenses so it looks, like, oh seventy
1:23:53
Speaker 4: is a bigger number that seems like a better one
1:23:55
Speaker 4: for the players. Union Players union's, like, no we don't
1:23:57
Speaker 4: care About they're basically, saying we don't care about your
1:23:59
Speaker 4: expense is we just want to take stuff out right
1:24:01
Speaker 4: off the top, there which will be more than after
1:24:04
Speaker 4: the net of, course which by the, way is even
1:24:07
Speaker 4: more significant because in THE, wnba where not every franchise is,
1:24:11
Speaker 4: profitable and a lot of the franchises are not. Profitable
1:24:14
Speaker 4: what these what these owners do, right none of them
1:24:19
Speaker 4: THE wnba franchise is their only. Asset so what THEY i,
1:24:24
Speaker 4: mean all of you out there that own a business
1:24:26
Speaker 4: and a filed, taxes you know, what this is your
1:24:28
Speaker 4: gross for the year and your net for the year
1:24:31
Speaker 4: are not anywhere near the, same especially if you have
1:24:35
Speaker 4: a negative burn on an asset like, this, Right so
1:24:38
Speaker 4: what you can do is you can be, like, oh,
1:24:40
Speaker 4: yeah look at, THAT i wrote off all THE u.
1:24:45
Speaker 3: Wrote off all the whatever depreciation on this.
1:24:48
Speaker 4: Arena THAT i also have a hockey, team a minor
1:24:51
Speaker 4: league hockey team IN i also have a whatever you,
1:24:53
Speaker 4: know concerts in, there, Whatever but that all goes on
1:24:55
Speaker 4: THE wnba books and suddenly your net is reduced very
1:25:02
Speaker 4: very drastically, right all your arena expenses are now taken
1:25:07
Speaker 4: out of that gross to produce something on the. NET i,
1:25:10
Speaker 4: mean we're talking tens of millions of dollars. Potentially so
1:25:13
Speaker 4: if you're a, player you don't want that tomfoolery affecting
1:25:18
Speaker 4: your bottom. Line and if you're an, owner obviously you're just, like,
1:25:21
Speaker 4: well hold on a, MINUTE i have to pay you
1:25:23
Speaker 4: on my gross. Revenue that's not really the picture of
1:25:26
Speaker 4: what this business is making because it's not. Right nobody
1:25:31
Speaker 4: nobody counts gross. Anything it's all about what is your.
1:25:35
Speaker 3: Net So.
1:25:38
Speaker 4: I'm glad that the sides are getting closer. Together this
1:25:40
Speaker 4: is still a pretty big, gap BUT i think it's
1:25:43
Speaker 4: it's more a commentary on whether or not these are
1:25:46
Speaker 4: good faith conversations or. Not, yeah And Kelsey, plump she
1:25:49
Speaker 4: expounded On wich why she said she all but said
1:25:53
Speaker 4: we don't have to strike Is she also called this
1:25:58
Speaker 4: quote a significant win the league's latest offer and what she's.
1:26:02
Speaker 4: Said the reason why she's saying, that even though it's
1:26:04
Speaker 4: way far apart from what the players, offered was they
1:26:09
Speaker 4: have been fighting for the league to just be willing
1:26:12
Speaker 4: to share revenue at. All so the fact that the
1:26:15
Speaker 4: league is giving that has given them an offer that
1:26:17
Speaker 4: says we'll give you a percentage of the. Revenue she
1:26:20
Speaker 4: representing THE Wnba Players, association is saying that that's enough
1:26:26
Speaker 4: of a win for us to feel, like, okay we
1:26:28
Speaker 4: can play this.
1:26:29
Speaker 3: Season WHICH i.
1:26:30
Speaker 4: Mean the players they want to they want to play.
1:26:32
Speaker 4: Basketball they don't want to. Strike and, ALSO i, mean at,
1:26:36
Speaker 4: work stoppage means nobody's getting.
1:26:37
Speaker 3: Paid you're not getting paid at.
1:26:39
Speaker 4: All and in THE, wnba like some of these women
1:26:42
Speaker 4: make fifty thousand dollars a. Year this is not like
1:26:45
Speaker 4: in THE nba where even the guy on the rookie
1:26:47
Speaker 4: minimum is a, millionaire and not all of them are
1:26:51
Speaker 4: getting huge endorsement deals off the court like we hear
1:26:53
Speaker 4: About Caitlin clark And Kelsey. Plumb certainly and as stars
1:26:57
Speaker 4: are doing. That And Cameron brink the the one in
1:27:01
Speaker 4: the next. Story SO i don't know if you saw,
1:27:02
Speaker 4: this you know How Cameron brink she's. Engaged congratulations to
1:27:06
Speaker 4: the happy.
1:27:07
Speaker 3: Couple do you?
1:27:07
Speaker 4: Know do you know How cameron brinks fiance introduced himself to.
1:27:11
Speaker 3: HER i do. Not it was like super, casual wasn't it? Email?
1:27:17
Speaker 4: Email he introduced himself via email and apparently this cannot be.
1:27:26
Speaker 4: Real apparently in the subject line it was attempting to. Mingle,
1:27:34
Speaker 4: Hey cameron wanted to chat you, up BUT i think
1:27:36
Speaker 4: dms are a bit, creepy not that an email is much.
1:27:39
Speaker 3: Better so here's my. Number what.
1:27:45
Speaker 7: That?
1:27:45
Speaker 4: Worked and, look we're not gonna be creepy here on the,
1:27:52
Speaker 4: show but universally you will see if you know Who
1:27:56
Speaker 4: Cameron brink, is if you've heard her, interviews if you
1:28:00
Speaker 4: have heard her coaches and teammates talk about, her if
1:28:04
Speaker 4: you've seen her in any, commercials this is not a
1:28:07
Speaker 4: move that would typically work on someone of that dating.
1:28:11
Speaker 4: Caliber you wouldn't THINK i, APPLAUDED i congratulate this. Man
1:28:17
Speaker 4: AND i especially like it because my approach to my
1:28:19
Speaker 4: wife was pretty. SIMILARLY i just sent. HER i didn't
1:28:26
Speaker 4: circumvent the. DMS i sent her A Dm and it
1:28:29
Speaker 4: was just an. Emoji oh not that, One, james not
1:28:35
Speaker 4: that which? One you can't read my, Mind, james the
1:28:38
Speaker 4: total what you, Said, oh an? Emoji he was a
1:28:41
Speaker 4: waving hand, emojia just like. Hello of course it. Was
1:28:45
Speaker 4: and BECAUSE i am so, handsome it. Worked, Yeah so
1:28:48
Speaker 4: all of, you all of You UGO's out. There don't
1:28:51
Speaker 4: try it this, way BUT i about. It everyone's now
1:28:55
Speaker 4: going to try attempting to mingle with anyone that they've dreamt.
1:28:59
Speaker 4: Of that is a hell of a. Subject attempting to.
1:29:02
Speaker 4: Mingle Cameron brink is just, like what is? This by the,
1:29:08
Speaker 4: way he's shooting a. Shot when you go and you
1:29:11
Speaker 4: look up his name Is ben Ben. Felter if you
1:29:15
Speaker 4: go and you look Up Ben, felter he can he
1:29:19
Speaker 4: can write any subject. Line he probably just put his
1:29:22
Speaker 4: picture in this. Thumbnail good looking. Guy, Huh Cameron BRINK
1:29:27
Speaker 4: i think is six,' four so that would make him
1:29:29
Speaker 4: in this picture at least like. Six,', eight okay yeah
1:29:33
Speaker 4: he's very square, john and handsome uniquely qualified to be
1:29:36
Speaker 4: able to do this. Sort, of THING yeah but i
1:29:38
Speaker 4: love that what? Attempting to mingle because think of how
1:29:42
Speaker 4: many dudes have shot Their Shot at cameron brink and
1:29:44
Speaker 4: attempting to mingle in an email of all things is.
1:29:48
Speaker 4: What got it, ye shout, out all RIGHT don't let
1:29:52
Speaker 4: ai write. Those emails either the official Stance of the
1:29:55
Speaker 4: sean O'Connell shows we do not. Use artificial, intelligence hold
1:29:58
Speaker 4: on that does SOUND like a ai, created, subject line
1:30:02
Speaker 4: THOUGH how should?
1:30:03
Speaker 3: I write this i don't want it. TO be creepy
1:30:06
Speaker 3: i don't want It to sound that is, A, Great
1:30:08
Speaker 3: idea ben why don't you write? Attempting? To MINGLE well
1:30:14
Speaker 3: do i have to write it or can you? Just write,
1:30:16
Speaker 3: IT because yes i will write. It, For you ben.
1:30:20
Speaker 4: Maybe let me ask you this if that becomes your, Meet,
1:30:25
Speaker 4: Cute story james and like five years, Down The line
1:30:29
Speaker 4: cameron brink is telling that story at a, Party and finally,
1:30:32
Speaker 4: ben just like maybe he's had a drink or two and,
1:30:34
Speaker 4: he's JUST like.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: And i didn't.
1:30:35
Speaker 4: EVEN write it i just PUT it into ai and
1:30:38
Speaker 4: she realizes she got CHAT? Up by ai does it?
1:30:42
Speaker 4: CHANGE the relationship i think. It has to you gotta, Be,
1:30:44
Speaker 4: careful there Ben the pick if the pickup line that
1:30:47
Speaker 4: got your gal's attention or your guy's ATTENTION, was from
1:30:52
Speaker 4: ai it's.
1:30:52
Speaker 3: Not from you you definitely. Don't.
1:30:55
Speaker 4: Deserve that yeah if, That's, the case ben you gotta
1:30:58
Speaker 4: you gotta keep that.
1:30:59
Speaker 3: Story to yourself you're. HAPPILY ever after i do like
1:31:04
Speaker 3: the meet.
1:31:05
Speaker 4: Cute drop THERE now that i know that you're a
1:31:07
Speaker 4: huge fan, of the holiday.
1:31:10
Speaker 7: That's.
1:31:11
Speaker 3: What, That's, from yeah.
1:31:12
Speaker 4: Yeah remember last week when we WERE Doing the pga
1:31:15
Speaker 4: tour leader board Updates On. The cognizant classic yeah that
1:31:18
Speaker 4: we were just becoming cognizant of the of. The tour
1:31:21
Speaker 4: season did you see What Happened to shane Lowry in this.
1:31:23
Speaker 4: He just collapsed he collapsed after a, one shot lead.
1:31:28
Speaker 4: Just goes away he wasn't the leader in our, in
1:31:32
Speaker 4: Our updates smother, man, was, leading yes mother but also
1:31:36
Speaker 4: he also collapsed because he didn't. End up winning it. Was, at,
1:31:39
Speaker 4: Right yeah okay so here's, The Thing though like i'm
1:31:44
Speaker 4: not trying To Pick, on shane lowry all of you,
1:31:47
Speaker 4: golfers out there all of, you marathon runners. You bike,
1:31:52
Speaker 4: racers to me this is got to be one of
1:31:57
Speaker 4: the hardest things stay in front when. You're, in front smotherman,
1:32:03
Speaker 4: by the way just he finished tied For Second with
1:32:07
Speaker 4: shane lowry and, one other guy so they were.
1:32:09
Speaker 3: All right there.
1:32:11
Speaker 4: So in all these sports that are kind of unique
1:32:14
Speaker 4: where you're actually not competing, directly against somebody it's just
1:32:21
Speaker 4: you versus yourself and you, versus a, clock to me
1:32:26
Speaker 4: it seems like staying in front would be the one
1:32:29
Speaker 4: of the hardest things in the, world to do especially
1:32:32
Speaker 4: in golf, where it's, like all, right three holes how
1:32:35
Speaker 4: long does three holes?
1:32:36
Speaker 3: Take to, play for me three holes.
1:32:39
Speaker 4: Is four hours, for these guys three holes is, What
1:32:42
Speaker 4: thirty minutes so, you're just like it's like forty seconds
1:32:50
Speaker 4: of action in thirty minutes and you have. To execute
1:32:53
Speaker 4: perfectly that would be the most, nerve wracking thing the
1:32:56
Speaker 4: most insane thing that gets my respect more Than anything
1:32:59
Speaker 4: else i've.
1:32:59
Speaker 3: Ever in golf.
1:33:02
Speaker 4: The ability to deal with the pressure of being on.
1:33:05
Speaker 4: Top chasing, someone that's, fun that's reckless, abandon that's hey,
1:33:13
Speaker 4: you know what let's lay it out on, the line
1:33:15
Speaker 4: here going in like you're on hole thirteen with. A
1:33:20
Speaker 4: comfortable lead that would be. Impossible to, Maintain, for me well,
1:33:28
Speaker 4: FIRST of all i never would be in the lead in,
1:33:29
Speaker 4: a golf game but like a. IN a marathon i
1:33:34
Speaker 4: think it was the ten thousand meter speed skating race
1:33:38
Speaker 4: that Happened where, this dutch guy this Forty year, old
1:33:42
Speaker 4: dutch guy he just went way out in front of
1:33:46
Speaker 4: everyone and nobody even bothered to try to catch up
1:33:48
Speaker 4: to him because he was so far out in front
1:33:51
Speaker 4: in a gold medal race and he's somehow with no
1:33:54
Speaker 4: one to look at no one to chase, Was just
1:33:57
Speaker 4: like i'm gonna just keep.
1:33:58
Speaker 3: Pushing this pace that is a foreign.
1:34:01
Speaker 4: Concept TO me so i Feel Bad for shane lowry
1:34:06
Speaker 4: because then the headline, is just, like oh wow.
1:34:08
Speaker 3: Look you.
1:34:08
Speaker 4: Joked he, stinks, IT'S like man i feel like staying
1:34:12
Speaker 4: in front would be harder.
1:34:13
Speaker 3: THAN anything else.
1:34:17
Speaker 4: I have to talk about this next one before we,
1:34:19
Speaker 4: take a break because this is my personal. NIGHTMARE in
1:34:23
Speaker 4: sports i do not, like unnecessary, noises loud. Noises repetitive
1:34:32
Speaker 4: noises my wife complains about what she. Calls my disorder
1:34:37
Speaker 4: misophonia is. A real disorder i don't know if you're,
1:34:39
Speaker 4: familiar with this but people who who hate, like clicking
1:34:43
Speaker 4: noises they hate when people chew with their. MOUTH open
1:34:46
Speaker 4: familiar i. AM a misophoniac i cannot stand when. PEOPLE
1:34:52
Speaker 4: chew loudly i hate it drives me, up a wall
1:34:55
Speaker 4: makes me dislike people who are otherwise.
1:34:58
Speaker 7: Very.
1:34:58
Speaker 3: Very likable.
1:35:00
Speaker 4: Irration THIS is why i eat in here with the
1:35:03
Speaker 4: big glass correct, double pine glass just just.
1:35:06
Speaker 3: IN case fact I hope that i, don't do that but.
1:35:10
Speaker 3: Just in case.
1:35:11
Speaker 4: There used to be a radio program On that was it,
1:35:15
Speaker 4: was a talk an afternoon drive talk Show on a.
1:35:19
Speaker 3: Utah radio station i'm not going to tell you what
1:35:21
Speaker 3: it was or.
1:35:21
Speaker 4: WHO it was i bet if you listened AS often
1:35:23
Speaker 4: as i, did every week they would have kind of
1:35:26
Speaker 4: like a hot lunch segment type thing where people would
1:35:29
Speaker 4: bring them food and they would describe the food and
1:35:31
Speaker 4: they would eat the. Food on air but the difference
1:35:34
Speaker 4: between them and me is they would actually eat the
1:35:36
Speaker 4: food on air and talk while they had food, in
1:35:38
Speaker 4: their mouth and they'd. Be ON air and i listened to,
1:35:43
Speaker 4: this program RELIGIOUSLY but then i would find myself screaming
1:35:46
Speaker 4: at the radio and turning it off.
1:35:50
Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three.
1:35:52
Speaker 4: Zero seven hundred if you know THE two people i
1:35:54
Speaker 4: was talking about with that it would. Drive me insane
1:35:58
Speaker 4: well is, The worst thing but just like any like
1:36:02
Speaker 4: loud noise that when your microwave is finished and it
1:36:06
Speaker 4: lets you know.
1:36:06
Speaker 3: It's finished with those excessively loud. And persistent beeps, HATE
1:36:11
Speaker 3: it right.
1:36:13
Speaker 4: I would have had to even if this was the
1:36:15
Speaker 4: only BASKETBALL game that i had, EVER attended this i
1:36:18
Speaker 4: would have Had To leave MAVs. Pistons this Weekend the,
1:36:23
Speaker 4: in arena, horn you, know you know the one end of, Quarter,
1:36:27
Speaker 4: buzzer beater james it. Got stuck on do you know
1:36:32
Speaker 4: for how long it? Got stuck on it was more.
1:36:34
Speaker 4: Than a quarter it was. Twelve whole minutes it was
1:36:40
Speaker 4: twelve continuous minutes of NonStop arena horn noise, in the
1:36:47
Speaker 4: building and they were showing people on camera and they were.
1:36:50
Speaker 3: Getting mildly irritated there.
1:36:52
Speaker 4: Was one guy who was losing his mind with his hands,
1:36:56
Speaker 4: over his ears.
1:36:56
Speaker 3: Trying, just leave man it's.
1:36:59
Speaker 4: Not worth it when you have, a, rain delay okay
1:37:02
Speaker 4: you go out, in the concourse you grab. A hot
1:37:04
Speaker 4: dog when there's some kind of like lightning, event that
1:37:08
Speaker 4: sucks but you kind, of, it's like.
1:37:11
Speaker 3: Oh we're all.
1:37:11
Speaker 4: In this together you're all huddled up and in. The
1:37:14
Speaker 4: shelter Whatever In that super bowl when the, power went
1:37:18
Speaker 4: out it's, kind of weird but. It's just dark you,
1:37:23
Speaker 4: got your. Phone everything's fine this would be the worst
1:37:28
Speaker 4: possible malfunction that could happen, at an arena the. Worst
1:37:33
Speaker 4: Possible delay if shaq rips, a, Backboard down cool i'll
1:37:38
Speaker 4: wait for them to install.
1:37:40
Speaker 3: A new one i don't even care if it takes.
1:37:42
Speaker 4: HALF an hour i get to, Now, tell, everybody, YEAH
1:37:45
Speaker 4: man sorry i. Got home late but shack ripped. The backboard.
1:37:49
Speaker 4: Down he shattered it. Isn't that crazy you. Got a
1:37:52
Speaker 4: story this is. Just a nightmare AND the video i,
1:37:58
Speaker 4: saw OF it because i, Didn't SEE it. I've Espn Broadcast,
1:38:02
Speaker 4: so george sodano, the sideline reporter the great SIDELINE, reporter
1:38:07
Speaker 4: for espn is at the scores table and they've.
1:38:10
Speaker 3: Got a great View of.
1:38:12
Speaker 4: The arita facilities guy or Whatever, for the pistons irritated
1:38:17
Speaker 4: is all get out because he can't figure out why
1:38:20
Speaker 4: the noise. Is Still going and, george is like you
1:38:23
Speaker 4: see this, guy frantically, going practically going trying to, figure
1:38:28
Speaker 4: This out, and i'm like he's hearing, THAT and, GOING.
1:38:32
Speaker 3: I need i need all these, eyeballs, OFF me. PLEASE
1:38:35
Speaker 3: i need i can't.
1:38:36
Speaker 4: Figure this out, and then anyway twelve and a half
1:38:38
Speaker 4: minutes later they show him again he figured it out
1:38:43
Speaker 4: and the crowd standing ovation. For the man so that
1:38:46
Speaker 4: that was a funny. Part of it is LIKE that
1:38:48
Speaker 4: if i, Were that guy, i'd be like can you
1:38:50
Speaker 4: guys get that camera off me and stop?
1:38:51
Speaker 3: TALKING about me i can't see, a total nightmare but
1:38:55
Speaker 3: are you? Telling me that nobody in that arena thought,
1:38:57
Speaker 3: to just, unplug.
1:39:00
Speaker 4: Just, reboot just unplugged or do, a different buzzer just remove, the,
1:39:06
Speaker 4: power cord right you know what they do in like
1:39:10
Speaker 4: a high school gym when they need a buzzer and
1:39:13
Speaker 4: it's super low budget and they don't have the cool setup.
1:39:16
Speaker 3: The taboo game they. Find, the buzzer no they get.
1:39:19
Speaker 4: An air, horn oh yeah the one you can.
1:39:22
Speaker 3: Brank, people with hey YOU'RE telling me i like the.
1:39:26
Speaker 3: Taboo buzzer idea you're.
1:39:27
Speaker 4: Telling me that there's not a person in that arena
1:39:30
Speaker 4: who knows where that horn computer, Is plugged IN just
1:39:34
Speaker 4: like i.
1:39:34
Speaker 3: Just, unplug it man let's just use. An air horn plug.
1:39:37
Speaker 7: It back.
1:39:37
Speaker 3: In we can't we can't be.
1:39:39
Speaker 4: Dealing with this it's, all digitized now so it's like
1:39:43
Speaker 4: it's probably it's probably like.
1:39:44
Speaker 3: A cyber attack we're. Gonna, find out well.
1:39:47
Speaker 4: They did unplug they did say it was a power
1:39:50
Speaker 4: search that caused it and. GOT it, stuck, i guess
1:39:54
Speaker 4: yeah that's. What, it, WAS yeah reboot. I don't know
1:39:57
Speaker 4: you gotta think that they tried that in twelve and.
1:39:59
Speaker 4: A half minute there's no. WAY they, DIDN'T i MEAN
1:40:02
Speaker 4: i guess i have a rudimentary understanding of the technology.
1:40:05
Speaker 4: Behind these horns but if you remove the power from
1:40:09
Speaker 4: it would stop. An amplified situation it just.
1:40:12
Speaker 3: Has to stop.
1:40:12
Speaker 4: There's, no power, YEAH you'd think i don't know if
1:40:15
Speaker 4: it's got a, battery back up take. The battery out
1:40:17
Speaker 4: the other thing about just using an air horn is
1:40:21
Speaker 4: as long as the as long as the lights work.
1:40:23
Speaker 4: On the backboard it's not like the airhorn has, to
1:40:26
Speaker 4: be precise because that would be, a, reason like no
1:40:28
Speaker 4: we're not using the air horn because we're gonna be
1:40:30
Speaker 4: like we're gonna be like three tenths of, a second
1:40:32
Speaker 4: late and. It's gonna screw it's. Gonna, screw stuff no
1:40:35
Speaker 4: you got, the lights there that's. Right on time we're
1:40:38
Speaker 4: just doing the noise cares if. That's right on the
1:40:40
Speaker 4: buzzer is. For the fans the players don't, Use, the
1:40:44
Speaker 4: buzzer yeah especially how long has it been that they
1:40:48
Speaker 4: put the lights, On the backboard like that's what you.
1:40:50
Speaker 4: Go off of the buzzer is like the. Final death
1:40:54
Speaker 4: nell you can't do. Anything, after that yeah as soon as,
1:40:58
Speaker 4: the buzzer. Sounds it's done the buzzer does nothing for you.
1:41:01
Speaker 4: As a player it's all the visual of knowing. And
1:41:04
Speaker 4: your awareness obviously you're, like you said, you see flock you.
1:41:07
Speaker 4: See the lights you gotta get the shot off before
1:41:10
Speaker 4: those things.
1:41:11
Speaker 3: Go zero zero that's when. The buzzer sounds. The buzzers superfluous.
1:41:16
Speaker 4: The buzzer could the buzzer could bring, the next day
1:41:19
Speaker 4: and it. Would be fine i'm, an, ANTI buzzer right
1:41:21
Speaker 4: i don't even. Need buzzers.
1:41:22
Speaker 3: Anymore buzzer right turns out you just. Raging. Anti, buzzer right.
1:41:28
Speaker 4: Hey, Guess what everyone it's just extraneous noise to add drama.
1:41:32
Speaker 4: To the, situation imagine though how much more dramatic.
1:41:35
Speaker 3: It could be.
1:41:35
Speaker 11: In utter silence all you hear is the the noise,
1:41:40
Speaker 11: of the crowd squeak, sided or disappointed the squeak of
1:41:44
Speaker 11: the sneakers right the ball.
1:41:46
Speaker 3: On, the hardwood yeah and.
1:41:48
Speaker 4: Then there's that, it's, my favorite genuinely it's one of
1:41:51
Speaker 4: my favorite. Things in sports when a, shot goes up
1:41:55
Speaker 4: an actual. Buzzer beating shot no one in an arena
1:42:00
Speaker 4: is making noise. During that time it's a as they
1:42:05
Speaker 4: wait to either say oh or they.
1:42:07
Speaker 3: Wait.
1:42:07
Speaker 4: Too yay yeah maybe there's a player There Like a
1:42:11
Speaker 4: draymond green be.
1:42:12
Speaker 3: Like trying, to distract.
1:42:14
Speaker 5: You, But nobody else so you don't need the buzzer
1:42:18
Speaker 5: and you don't need it.
1:42:19
Speaker 7: For.
1:42:19
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Speaker 4: If you're not PAYING attention, to mls soccer. You're Missing
1:44:08
Speaker 4: out leo messi is getting a, little froggy already and
1:44:12
Speaker 4: we JUST started The mls Season. Miami versus orlando messi.
1:44:18
Speaker 4: Scores a Goal ask the orlando coach if he.
1:44:22
Speaker 3: Wants. An autograph now that is emasculating in A way that.
1:44:30
Speaker 4: I, would be unable my feeble brain would be unable
1:44:34
Speaker 4: to master the self control necessary to not.
1:44:41
Speaker 3: Take that little tiny man and.
1:44:43
Speaker 4: SHAKE him violently, i get it you're not Supposed To, touch
1:44:50
Speaker 4: leo messi but HE'S playing in mls soccer and he's
1:44:55
Speaker 4: asking opposing coaches if they want his autograph when.
1:44:58
Speaker 3: He scores goals that's. Pretty harsh, Me.
1:45:07
Speaker 4: You know florida rivals There My inner miami orlando. Like
1:45:12
Speaker 4: big deal It. Is in florida it is FOR soccer fans,
1:45:18
Speaker 4: mls soccer fans Very.
1:45:19
Speaker 3: Specifically in florida.
1:45:20
Speaker 4: Maybe The Biggest rivalry leo messi's ever been, a part
1:45:24
Speaker 4: of maybe maybe the biggest rivalry in the game.
1:45:27
Speaker 3: Of soccer period.
1:45:31
Speaker 4: That's, That's incredible though that's a that's quite the move. By,
1:45:35
Speaker 4: trash talk, yeah all right we have we have TO
1:45:37
Speaker 4: Discuss This Usc chad. BAKER mazara situation. I want it
1:45:42
Speaker 4: i want to make. IT very clear i do not
1:45:45
Speaker 4: give A rip. About, USC basketball okay i have written
1:45:48
Speaker 4: OFF all things usc because They killed the.
1:45:51
Speaker 3: Pac, twelve conference uh we didn't like him in.
1:45:54
Speaker 4: The First place lincoln riley is impossible, To talk to he's.
1:45:58
Speaker 4: Impossible to interview the whole thing just gives. Me, bad
1:46:01
Speaker 4: vibes okay did You See how makay lemon was talking?
1:46:05
Speaker 4: At the combine did you see any? Of his interviews
1:46:09
Speaker 4: he looked like he was trying to Be. LIKE the
1:46:13
Speaker 4: emperor i actually saw a very hilarious tweet that says
1:46:17
Speaker 4: new comp from mackay lemon is ka The Snake, from
1:46:20
Speaker 4: jungle book because he just has this weird look on
1:46:23
Speaker 4: his face and he's moving his head back and forth
1:46:26
Speaker 4: in like a. Really strange manner if he, didn't know
1:46:29
Speaker 4: better you would have thought that he was under the
1:46:30
Speaker 4: influence of. Some bizarre substance like he just, was, Acting
1:46:35
Speaker 4: CRAZY right and i THINK the question i saw him answer,
1:46:40
Speaker 4: was just, like you know who do you? Compare yourself,
1:46:42
Speaker 4: To he's like i'm gonna. Give you THREE he's Like.
1:46:45
Speaker 4: Jsn justin, jeffers, you're like okay you just are comparing
1:46:51
Speaker 4: yourself to the three best wide receivers.
1:46:53
Speaker 3: In the league.
1:46:54
Speaker 4: Get out there did he Leave? Out pokin akuah. Really
1:46:57
Speaker 4: he didn't He didn't.
1:46:57
Speaker 6: Put.
1:46:57
Speaker 4: Pooka in there also also another, grievance against him he's
1:47:01
Speaker 4: he plays.
1:47:02
Speaker 3: In your city, by the way he, just was like
1:47:04
Speaker 3: it's like.
1:47:05
Speaker 4: HE was trolling, i don't know maybe There Was an
1:47:07
Speaker 4: ace bailey situation going on where he wanted people to
1:47:10
Speaker 4: think that he wasn't into.
1:47:11
Speaker 3: THOSE top drafts i.
1:47:13
Speaker 4: Have no idea, it, Was Odd right SO i'm JUST
1:47:15
Speaker 4: i find usc just off. Putting, IN general okay i
1:47:19
Speaker 4: am off Put by the trojans and.
1:47:23
Speaker 3: Their Leading Scorer chad baker mazara is now.
1:47:28
Speaker 4: Off the team he got separated. FROM the team i
1:47:30
Speaker 4: think most of you have. Probably seen this it's a
1:47:32
Speaker 4: front PAGE. Story on espn it, is for me NOT just.
1:47:36
Speaker 4: A usc story it is a story about the state
1:47:39
Speaker 4: of college, sports in general, and especially basketball but especially
1:47:43
Speaker 4: college sports, where these prolonged protracted eligibility situations are, not
1:47:48
Speaker 4: only allowed but. They are encouraged this is his. Fifth
1:47:52
Speaker 4: different team he's twenty. Six years old he is from
1:47:56
Speaker 4: the same Recruiting Class as Cade Cunningham. And jonathan kaminga
1:48:01
Speaker 4: this guy probably doesn't need to be in, college hoops anymore.
1:48:06
Speaker 4: But he is and heading into The game against. Nebraska,
1:48:11
Speaker 4: number twelve nebraska, by the, Way Good Team chad baker
1:48:17
Speaker 4: mazara started to. Act really weird he took a hard
1:48:22
Speaker 4: fall and then he Went Over to eric musselman and
1:48:25
Speaker 4: he said he could not go back. In the game
1:48:28
Speaker 4: where have we?
1:48:28
Speaker 3: Heard this before.
1:48:33
Speaker 4: Has there been another prominent player in college basketball this
1:48:36
Speaker 4: year that has, Told, his, COACH hey No, i, can't
1:48:38
Speaker 4: yeah yeah There's. SOMEONE from, kansas, I, Think Yeah Now
1:48:43
Speaker 4: chad baker Mazara Goes to eric, MUSSELMAN and says i can't,
1:48:46
Speaker 4: Go back in and he then goes and sits in
1:48:52
Speaker 4: the front row on the baseline next, to some fans
1:48:56
Speaker 4: so away from, the team bench but still on the
1:49:00
Speaker 4: front row.
1:49:00
Speaker 3: On, THE baseline now i think this is a.
1:49:02
Speaker 4: High road situation but they what the answer, That was
1:49:07
Speaker 4: given like why wasn't he sitting?
1:49:08
Speaker 3: ON the bench i think, they, were like oh there was.
1:49:10
Speaker 3: A chair situation we were.
1:49:11
Speaker 4: Short on chairs it feels like that was a taking
1:49:15
Speaker 4: the high road and not trying to. Make it worse
1:49:17
Speaker 4: but because, his was, it his. Friend his cousin, There's,
1:49:21
Speaker 4: Another Player, ah rodney rice WHO'S injured for, usc right
1:49:27
Speaker 4: now was. Also sitting here so it's, not like Okay But.
1:49:31
Speaker 4: It's rodney rice and then like an Athletic Trainer And
1:49:36
Speaker 4: chad baker mazzara and then like a girl on her
1:49:39
Speaker 4: cell phone just sitting in the front row just just,
1:49:43
Speaker 4: optically looks wrong just. An odd situation, and then right
1:49:47
Speaker 4: he's off the team today with very little, explanation except
1:49:51
Speaker 4: hey he's. Off, The team yeah and whether that's, we
1:49:55
Speaker 4: Cut You which gilbert arenas and, companies, say that no
1:49:58
Speaker 4: they cut him because he voluntarily took himself out. Of
1:50:01
Speaker 4: the game he quit, on his, team all right or
1:50:04
Speaker 4: whether he voluntarily left the team And just. SAID i'm
1:50:07
Speaker 4: quitting i don't want to be part, of the team
1:50:09
Speaker 4: not just, IN this game i don't want to be
1:50:11
Speaker 4: part of.
1:50:11
Speaker 3: This team anymore like.
1:50:15
Speaker 4: It is a very overblown trope in sports, talk in
1:50:18
Speaker 4: general where all these young, kids these days all this
1:50:22
Speaker 4: generation of, athletes are, different all, this all that, all
1:50:25
Speaker 4: the changes all the. SOCIAL media whatever. I get it
1:50:28
Speaker 4: it's not good radio to, just be like all these
1:50:32
Speaker 4: young kids don't know how good. They have it but
1:50:34
Speaker 4: this is one of those SITUATIONS where and i think
1:50:37
Speaker 4: it's more of a player base thing than a symptom of,
1:50:42
Speaker 4: the entire system although that certainly has someplace in the.
1:50:47
Speaker 4: Conversation as well this is a guy who's the leading scorer,
1:50:52
Speaker 4: for his TEAM who, then, i mean look he took,
1:50:55
Speaker 4: the heart fault maybe, he got hurt but then he goes,
1:50:59
Speaker 4: To his, coach i'm done and he just sits down
1:51:02
Speaker 4: and then the next day he's.
1:51:03
Speaker 3: Off the team.
1:51:07
Speaker 4: The permutations of what conversations could have happened in the
1:51:12
Speaker 4: locker room between the locker room and the floor after
1:51:16
Speaker 4: the locker room in.
1:51:17
Speaker 3: The coach's office. They're pretty endless but we. Know one
1:51:24
Speaker 3: thing you.
1:51:26
Speaker 4: Have, to be really really really sick of, a talented athletes,
1:51:30
Speaker 4: you know what for them to be.
1:51:32
Speaker 3: Off the team this is not. An, isolated incident.
1:51:38
Speaker 4: Well this, is a guy he had his he had
1:51:42
Speaker 4: some problems at some attitude problems or, what have You
1:51:45
Speaker 4: on a final four team last year as A. Starter for, Auburn,
1:51:49
Speaker 4: and yeah auburn, Their Head, coach bruce pearl. Decided to,
1:51:54
Speaker 4: retire he's now he's now, in the media, there was
1:51:58
Speaker 4: that there, was That Rumor remember bruce pearl's the story
1:52:03
Speaker 4: about him retiring saying he's gonna run. For office too
1:52:07
Speaker 4: they haven't seen. Anything like that but his. Son, takes
1:52:10
Speaker 4: over okay. Head, coach change okay a lot of, guys
1:52:13
Speaker 4: transfer out but like a lot of the core that
1:52:16
Speaker 4: didn't GO, to the Nba Most notably jeni broom from
1:52:19
Speaker 4: last year is Still on that auburn team who he
1:52:23
Speaker 4: was a starter for that Went to. The FINAL four,
1:52:25
Speaker 4: as i said and yet he's still and they elevate
1:52:29
Speaker 4: an assistant to be. The head coach so it's like
1:52:32
Speaker 4: he had to you would think that he had a,
1:52:34
Speaker 4: good enough relationship and he still decides to transfer after
1:52:38
Speaker 4: having some interesting attitude whatever sound of kind of on
1:52:44
Speaker 4: the court, misconduct type stuff some hard flagrant fouls that
1:52:48
Speaker 4: those things of that nature at at. His previous school
1:52:52
Speaker 4: he still, tries to transfer and then we hear him there's.
1:52:55
Speaker 4: Probably are inferring there's probably some kind of attitude thing
1:52:58
Speaker 4: that's getting him kicked off of. HIS next team i,
1:53:00
Speaker 4: MEAN like that, i, don't know man this there's a
1:53:03
Speaker 4: lot of things that add up to maybe he's not
1:53:07
Speaker 4: someone that people want. To work with eighteen and a half, points,
1:53:10
Speaker 4: a game though people will tolerate a lot to keep that,
1:53:15
Speaker 4: on the floor to keep that on the roster when
1:53:17
Speaker 4: you are about to go. Into, tournament time there this is, a,
1:53:22
Speaker 4: big deal right and USC's not going to.
1:53:25
Speaker 3: DO anything significant i haven't even LOOKED at.
1:53:27
Speaker 4: Where usc are they they didn't have A Chance at
1:53:30
Speaker 4: march madness or they.
1:53:32
Speaker 3: LET'S see where usc is at as.
1:53:33
Speaker 4: A team again i started the conversation reminding ALL of
1:53:37
Speaker 4: you i just could not give less of A rip
1:53:40
Speaker 4: about usc sports from like, A success standpoint but it
1:53:45
Speaker 4: makes very little sense when we're this late in a
1:53:48
Speaker 4: season that a coach would want to willingly let his.
1:53:53
Speaker 4: Best player go and it's they're not going To be.
1:53:56
Speaker 4: In march madness they're sub five. HUNDRED this year i.
1:54:00
Speaker 4: Didn't think, so, wait no sorry they're sub. Five hundred
1:54:02
Speaker 4: conference they're, eighteen and eleven so, they're probably okay so
1:54:06
Speaker 4: their bubble team, if they can if they can make
1:54:09
Speaker 4: A Run in, big ten tournament finish this this the
1:54:13
Speaker 4: last week, of the season, finished this week a.
1:54:15
Speaker 3: Couple of wins maybe they play. Themselves, into, it.
1:54:18
Speaker 4: Okay yeah that's uh so they still have something, to
1:54:22
Speaker 4: play for and yet they're still willing to. Dismiss this
1:54:24
Speaker 4: guy the Other Thing About, chad baker massara he's, twenty
1:54:28
Speaker 4: six now? Is that right he's twenty, six, years old
1:54:31
Speaker 4: yes and he's just now becoming a guy who can
1:54:34
Speaker 4: be a leading scorer after being like, a defensive specialist
1:54:37
Speaker 4: role player guy. At better TEAMS that, doesn't i mean
1:54:41
Speaker 4: that's good production for, you right now but That Doesn't
1:54:44
Speaker 4: really eric musselman's, Got, to, think okay okay this might
1:54:48
Speaker 4: mean That we have this, means we basically well a
1:54:51
Speaker 4: little chance we had to make the tournament. Is PROBABLY
1:54:53
Speaker 4: gone but i can find better players to be my best,
1:54:56
Speaker 4: players next season.
1:54:57
Speaker 3: So going forward he.
1:54:59
Speaker 4: Started his career at then He Went To, san diego
1:55:02
Speaker 4: state then he went to junior college for A Year
1:55:05
Speaker 4: At Northwest, florida state college and then He was at
1:55:08
Speaker 4: auburn where he's A third, team scc player and NOW.
1:55:10
Speaker 3: He's at usc.
1:55:13
Speaker 4: He was the sixth Man of the year when he
1:55:15
Speaker 4: Played For The San, diego STATE aztecs, like I said
1:55:19
Speaker 4: All sec with auburn and eighteen and, a half points four.
1:55:22
Speaker 4: Point two rebounds he's played twenty SIX games for usc
1:55:26
Speaker 4: this season and now he is. OFF the team, i
1:55:32
Speaker 4: need to in the worst way know exactly how far
1:55:35
Speaker 4: This Went for eric musselman to, just be like, You
1:55:38
Speaker 4: know what i'm not dealing. With it anymore i'm. Done
1:55:41
Speaker 4: with this he, was, asked, like hey wait why did he?
1:55:46
Speaker 4: Leave the game and it was very much it's it's
1:55:49
Speaker 4: the exact same Thing as the bill self conversation said.
1:55:52
Speaker 4: He couldn't go he said he was not, able to
1:55:54
Speaker 4: go and now he's. Off the team this is not
1:56:02
Speaker 4: the first time something like. This has happened this is
1:56:04
Speaker 4: not the only time it's going to. Happen moving forward
1:56:07
Speaker 4: we have to at some point look at this very
1:56:12
Speaker 4: strange landscape we're in in college football right now and
1:56:17
Speaker 4: remind ourselves that it is not in the best interest
1:56:20
Speaker 4: of teams and players to let them bounce around and
1:56:25
Speaker 4: be these like men. With no country if you are
1:56:29
Speaker 4: on your fifth different program, in six years there's probably
1:56:35
Speaker 4: something more, than just oh.
1:56:37
Speaker 3: He was injured.
1:56:41
Speaker 4: If you're willing to take a guy on and be
1:56:44
Speaker 4: the fifth program that, he plays at it make him
1:56:46
Speaker 4: a starter and let it be. Your leading scorer you
1:56:48
Speaker 4: probably don't get to be surprised when maybe his investment,
1:56:55
Speaker 4: in the team, in the culture, in the relationship in
1:56:58
Speaker 4: the whatever with you as, a coach personally or with
1:57:00
Speaker 4: his teammates, or with whatever it might not, be the,
1:57:04
Speaker 4: healthiest the best. The most robust we're looking at a
1:57:12
Speaker 4: weird time in college sports where loyalty is something that
1:57:18
Speaker 4: is very. Transient and, purchasable it's, commoditized it's commodified but
1:57:29
Speaker 4: that leads TO flaws in i don't want, to say
1:57:32
Speaker 4: character because you don't want to attack, a person's character
1:57:34
Speaker 4: but it creates cracks in the armor, FOR a team
1:57:41
Speaker 4: a culture a program and, for a player imagine just
1:57:48
Speaker 4: walking off the floor in a game And being. LIKE
1:57:50
Speaker 4: i'm done i mean, It's and listen i'm not making a.
1:57:55
Speaker 4: Direct comparison here we don't know. All The Facts With.
1:57:58
Speaker 4: Chad baker mazarre tomorrow we could find out there, was
1:58:02
Speaker 4: a legit there's. A legitimate reason they had nothing to.
1:58:04
Speaker 3: Do with the.
1:58:04
Speaker 4: Attitude or whatever but, to be, fair you're right however
1:58:12
Speaker 4: you would, Hear, about it yeah we quickly if that
1:58:16
Speaker 4: if either his agent his family himself wanted, people, to, know,
1:58:21
Speaker 4: no no it's not what you, think it is probably
1:58:23
Speaker 4: probably already. Heard of it and if usc conversely, was, just,
1:58:26
Speaker 4: like actually like they're not going to throw some kid
1:58:28
Speaker 4: under the bus if they don't think he deserves to be, under,
1:58:31
Speaker 4: The bus right they're, gonna, be like no he it was,
1:58:35
Speaker 4: a legitimate injury season ending whatever season. Ending were like
1:58:40
Speaker 4: but the announcement was he is. Off, the team yes
1:58:44
Speaker 4: so not. Season ending, INJURY but anyway i put that
1:58:46
Speaker 4: out there to say it's it feels it's a little
1:58:51
Speaker 4: bit reminiscent Of The way antonio brown just ran off
1:58:54
Speaker 4: the field his last Game, with the buccaneers his last GAME. In,
1:58:57
Speaker 4: the nfl, yes strange right just, like you mentioned imagine running. Off,
1:59:02
Speaker 4: the field yeah we saw that with one of the
1:59:04
Speaker 4: best football players of his generation who just completely. Lost
1:59:08
Speaker 4: his head all kinds of screws Came Loose with antonio
1:59:11
Speaker 4: brown for how. For whatever reasons and AGAIN that's why
1:59:16
Speaker 4: i say not a Direct Comparison To, chad BAKER mazara
1:59:19
Speaker 4: but i mean it does make you think of remember
1:59:22
Speaker 4: when that crazy dude did that Against against the jets however.
1:59:26
Speaker 4: Many Years Ago also antonio brown Was he's in? Dubai
1:59:32
Speaker 4: right now? Is he, REALLY oh yeah i did you?
1:59:35
Speaker 7: See?
1:59:35
Speaker 4: That, TWEET right yeah i came here for a Tax
1:59:38
Speaker 4: shelter and i'm in. A. Bomb Shelter Yeah like antonio
1:59:41
Speaker 4: brown says nothing for months and months and months at
1:59:44
Speaker 4: a time and then he drops, That, on, us like
1:59:49
Speaker 4: dude Just. Stay off twitter although this, international conflict happening,
1:59:52
Speaker 4: by the.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: Way what a don't like going? Through?
1:59:58
Speaker 4: His head why oh this would be very clever, and
2:00:02
Speaker 4: it's true so oh let's send this is just, like
2:00:06
Speaker 4: thank you we didn't know.
2:00:07
Speaker 3: Where you were. We're gonna Yeah Look.
2:00:13
Speaker 4: When antonio brown, went, through that right first of all
2:00:16
Speaker 4: people wanted to attack, like his personality his, character or
2:00:21
Speaker 4: whatever and then people had to kind of zoom out,
2:00:24
Speaker 4: a little bit and after some conversations with people that
2:00:28
Speaker 4: are were around, him more often it became clear that
2:00:31
Speaker 4: it's like there's a mental health, issue going on and
2:00:34
Speaker 4: probably is a mental health going on issue Going On. With,
2:00:37
Speaker 4: antonio brown now that is not a free pass to
2:00:40
Speaker 4: do whatever you want or act, however you want and
2:00:43
Speaker 4: you still have to be accountable. To other people and
2:00:45
Speaker 4: there are millions and millions of millions of individuals who
2:00:49
Speaker 4: live with mental health struggles, every single day and they show,
2:00:52
Speaker 4: up for work they show up. For their families they're
2:00:54
Speaker 4: highly functional because they. Treat people well they take the
2:00:57
Speaker 4: medication they're, supposed to take or they use the therapy they're
2:01:00
Speaker 4: supposed to use or. Whatever, It is right so like
2:01:03
Speaker 4: you can't just use that as your catch all. Excuse for,
2:01:06
Speaker 4: EVERYTHING but again i keep going back to the system we're.
2:01:10
Speaker 4: In right now there is if we allowed players to
2:01:14
Speaker 4: slip through the cracks when they were at a place
2:01:17
Speaker 4: for four years or five years on their way, to
2:01:20
Speaker 4: a degree and we still didn't know everything that was going,
2:01:24
Speaker 4: on with people and you would hear, the unfortunate stories
2:01:27
Speaker 4: like the person who you know has a severe mental,
2:01:31
Speaker 4: break or something the ultimate disaster, happens or whatever and
2:01:36
Speaker 4: the people around them, are, just, LIKE oh yeah i.
2:01:38
Speaker 3: CAN'T believe it i wish we would have. TALKED to
2:01:40
Speaker 3: me i.
2:01:40
Speaker 4: Didn't know whatever like if that is a thing in
2:01:45
Speaker 4: a traditional system where you get to go to a place,
2:01:48
Speaker 4: and stay there imagine how much more prevalent it is
2:01:53
Speaker 4: when you're a man. With no country when the first
2:01:56
Speaker 4: time you get into a conflict, with your coach you,
2:02:00
Speaker 4: can without, penalty without issue without even. People raising eyebrows
2:02:04
Speaker 4: you can, Just be, like i'm leaving and that coach
2:02:07
Speaker 4: is happy to, have you go and the next coach
2:02:09
Speaker 4: is happy to. Have your talent and there's not enough,
2:02:13
Speaker 4: Potentially digging into like what are the root causes of?
2:02:16
Speaker 4: Your transient? Nature young? Man young woman why are you
2:02:20
Speaker 4: not able to stick? Anywhere you go is there some
2:02:23
Speaker 4: kind of? Issue with you is there some personality? Disorder
2:02:27
Speaker 4: happening here is there some kind of oppositional defiance that
2:02:30
Speaker 4: we have to get to. The root of you're gonna
2:02:34
Speaker 4: this is never gonna be a commonplace, thing in sports
2:02:37
Speaker 4: but it's becoming more believable and, more just, like oh
2:02:41
Speaker 4: yeah actually that kind of like logically tracks that this
2:02:45
Speaker 4: person who's at his fifth school is now walking out on,
2:02:48
Speaker 4: his fifth school and he's doing it this time in a.
2:02:51
Speaker 4: More drastic manner instead of, in an offseason he's doing it.
2:02:55
Speaker 3: In a game.
2:02:58
Speaker 7: We.
2:02:58
Speaker 4: Have failed again the adults in the room have failed
2:03:01
Speaker 4: to acknowledge, how the mobility the, lack of investment can
2:03:09
Speaker 4: affect a person's ability, to handle conflict, deal with conflict,
2:03:14
Speaker 4: get over. Struggle OVERCOME adversity and i know the main goal,
2:03:20
Speaker 4: is to win and the main goal is, to make
2:03:22
Speaker 4: money but one of the goals, of college athletics EVEN at,
2:03:24
Speaker 4: the usc level still has to be putting people in
2:03:29
Speaker 4: situations where they can. Succeed Long term and I'm Not,
2:03:32
Speaker 4: blaming Eric musselman and I'm Not Blaming chad. BAKER mazara
2:03:37
Speaker 4: individually i don't know who's. AT fault here i don't
2:03:40
Speaker 4: know if that's even the right way. To frame it
2:03:42
Speaker 4: who's more at fault or like it could. Just be
2:03:44
Speaker 4: something but the system that we have allowed to perpetuate
2:03:49
Speaker 4: in college sports is. Not helping this whether you want
2:03:54
Speaker 4: to call it causation, or correlation whatever it's definitely not
2:03:58
Speaker 4: making this young.
2:03:59
Speaker 3: Man situation better it's.
2:04:02
Speaker 4: Definitely not making it easier for that coach or any
2:04:06
Speaker 4: coach to have accountability from a, player, to say uh
2:04:11
Speaker 4: you're not walking. Out on us and even in like
2:04:14
Speaker 4: the oldest of, old school ways you were still going
2:04:16
Speaker 4: to have these guys who are outliers and they would
2:04:19
Speaker 4: be a front page story about so and so walking
2:04:21
Speaker 4: off of what team are what. High profile situation it's
2:04:24
Speaker 4: not it's not like you can, fix it completely but
2:04:28
Speaker 4: this situation highlights for me the lack of responsibility that
2:04:33
Speaker 4: we are just kind of excusing. On every front the
2:04:37
Speaker 4: athletic director doesn't have to care. About this, kid the
2:04:41
Speaker 4: teachers the professors don't have to care. About this kid the,
2:04:43
Speaker 4: athletic trainer cares but probably less than. They used to
2:04:47
Speaker 4: the coaching staff, CAN say like i mean we were
2:04:50
Speaker 4: having earlier, in this CONVERSATION just, like i, mean, all
2:04:54
Speaker 4: right fine eighteen and. A half points i gotta go
2:04:56
Speaker 4: find that, from somewhere else instead, of being LIKE how
2:04:59
Speaker 4: do i get? This dude, Back and look i've told
2:05:03
Speaker 4: this story on, The air before i'll. Tell it again
2:05:06
Speaker 4: Back In four fiesta Bowl. Team urban meyer there's a
2:05:11
Speaker 4: guy on the team who ended up playing a lot
2:05:13
Speaker 4: of YEARS in the nfl who had some. Struggles, with
2:05:16
Speaker 4: commitment okay he would show up at early morning lift
2:05:21
Speaker 4: smelling of. Beer and cigarettes his talent made it so
2:05:24
Speaker 4: that that didn't matter because he was.
2:05:26
Speaker 3: Still. That good right he.
2:05:28
Speaker 4: Tried to quit Twice During that, fiesta, bowl season like
2:05:32
Speaker 4: didn't show up at practice, kind of quit didn't want,
2:05:36
Speaker 4: to be there, Kind of quit i'm not coming to
2:05:40
Speaker 4: the facility today.
2:05:41
Speaker 3: Kind, Of QUIT Right.
2:05:44
Speaker 4: And i am not going to put a Halo. On
2:05:48
Speaker 4: URBAN meyer and i don't think it was an unselfish
2:05:52
Speaker 4: motive That caused urban meyer to, chase him down to,
2:05:55
Speaker 4: bring him back to send other people, over, to say
2:05:58
Speaker 4: hey we're not going to allow you to. Ruin your
2:06:00
Speaker 4: life this, is your ticket this. Is your opportunity you're
2:06:03
Speaker 4: gonna BE.
2:06:04
Speaker 7: In.
2:06:04
Speaker 4: THE nfl right i don't think that was. AN unselfish
2:06:07
Speaker 4: thing i Think that urban meyer and the rest of
2:06:10
Speaker 4: that coaching staff wanted that player to be on the
2:06:12
Speaker 4: team and stay on the team because they needed his
2:06:16
Speaker 4: talent just as much as or more than they wanted
2:06:19
Speaker 4: to help him in life and make sure that he
2:06:21
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to GO. To the nfl but the
2:06:23
Speaker 4: system that existed then meant that he was already he
2:06:27
Speaker 4: had already been to. A, junior college okay if he
2:06:30
Speaker 4: doesn't work Out at The, university of utah he loses a,
2:06:34
Speaker 4: year of eligibility and then he's got one year left
2:06:38
Speaker 4: and maybe.
2:06:39
Speaker 3: Something good can happen with his.
2:06:40
Speaker 4: Next landing spot but, it's, not normalized right and it's
2:06:44
Speaker 4: not common for coaches to just throw people.
2:06:46
Speaker 3: Into the, mix back then you kind of had to.
2:06:48
Speaker 4: Earn your keep still, in those days that system was
2:06:53
Speaker 4: better set up for that individual to be sort of
2:06:57
Speaker 4: brought back in not, by foot, ball but yes in,
2:07:01
Speaker 4: a way football, but by, leadership by, camaraderie by, mentorship
2:07:07
Speaker 4: by responsibility by a coach or a coaching staff, collectively
2:07:12
Speaker 4: saying no we're not going to let, you fail here
2:07:14
Speaker 4: because if, you fail here you might not only are
2:07:17
Speaker 4: you failing us, as a team you might. Fail in
2:07:19
Speaker 4: life and that's not what we're in the. Business of
2:07:21
Speaker 4: here that's. What it, was and yes there were selfish
2:07:25
Speaker 4: motives behind. Some of that that player's too good to.
2:07:29
Speaker 4: LET him leave i need him, TO score touchdowns i
2:07:32
Speaker 4: need him. TO make tackles i need him, TO block
2:07:35
Speaker 4: shots i need him, TO make shots i need him
2:07:37
Speaker 4: to hit home runs whatever. There were all there were
2:07:40
Speaker 4: selfish motivations, in those, worlds for sure but that system
2:07:46
Speaker 4: was also set up to where you kind of had
2:07:49
Speaker 4: to navigate it together, as a team as a coaching
2:07:53
Speaker 4: staff and a player, as a player with his coaches
2:07:56
Speaker 4: or his academic. Advisor or whoever it's not there anymore,
2:08:01
Speaker 4: in College Sports And chad baker mazara might be, the
2:08:05
Speaker 4: most outlier crazy obvious, example of it but he's not
2:08:11
Speaker 4: enough of an outlier that we. Should dismiss it it's
2:08:20
Speaker 4: probably not gonna happen to your kid when they get
2:08:22
Speaker 4: recruited by.
2:08:23
Speaker 3: Four different schools but.
2:08:27
Speaker 4: Those coaches don't have the bandwidth, to fix him to
2:08:32
Speaker 4: help him fix himself that they. Used to have they
2:08:35
Speaker 4: are not incentivized. Toward that anymore that.
2:08:38
Speaker 3: System is. Gone it's dead, We.
2:08:40
Speaker 4: Killed it the, lawyers killed it, the universities themselves.
2:08:45
Speaker 3: The television networks. It is dead the.
2:08:49
Speaker 4: Kids that struggle and maybe have a broken home life
2:08:53
Speaker 4: and don't know about camaraderie and don't, know about culture
2:08:57
Speaker 4: and don't, know about family and don't know about how
2:09:00
Speaker 4: to make it as part. Of a group nobody is
2:09:04
Speaker 4: incentivized the way they used to be to. Fix those
2:09:08
Speaker 4: persons that sucks because we used.
2:09:13
Speaker 3: To have so many great stories like that. IN college football.
2:09:18
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many guys When you, like
2:09:20
Speaker 4: ron McBride great.
2:09:21
Speaker 3: Example.
2:09:22
Speaker 4: Of this RIGHT the reason i Got to know ron
2:09:24
Speaker 4: McBride is because ron McBride went into the hood and
2:09:29
Speaker 4: recruited A guy that i ended up being close with.
2:09:31
Speaker 4: Later in life he was, older to me a little
2:09:33
Speaker 4: bit of a, mentor to me and would not let.
2:09:36
Speaker 3: That guy fail brought.
2:09:39
Speaker 4: Him from the Hoods, of Southern california of, la gang
2:09:43
Speaker 4: life Brought him to, utah and said you're not.
2:09:45
Speaker 3: Going back there you're done.
2:09:47
Speaker 4: With that stuff this is the life you're, gonna lead
2:09:50
Speaker 4: now gonna make you a. Good football player ended Up
2:09:53
Speaker 4: in the utah record books for a time.
2:09:55
Speaker 3: Playing Running.
2:09:55
Speaker 4: Back keith, williams, LOVE you man i hope life is
2:09:58
Speaker 4: great for you right now as some stuff that was
2:10:01
Speaker 4: incentivized on both ends back. In, THE day right i
2:10:06
Speaker 4: pulled you out, OF the hood i, brought you here and,
2:10:09
Speaker 4: if you leave there are, consequences for you just like
2:10:13
Speaker 4: there are consequences for me. As, a coach now if
2:10:16
Speaker 4: you're the player you don't like how, hard this is
2:10:19
Speaker 4: there's no consequences for you if, you leave anymore and
2:10:22
Speaker 4: the consequences. For a coach if you, bring that kid you,
2:10:24
Speaker 4: rescue that kid but then you give up on him,
2:10:27
Speaker 4: six months later there are no. Consequences for you you
2:10:31
Speaker 4: can just bring in another one and he. Might be
2:10:33
Speaker 4: better you don't have to invest in that person outside
2:10:37
Speaker 4: of your, own personal accountability. Your own principles there's nothing
2:10:41
Speaker 4: to force you. To do That and again I'm Not blaming.
2:10:44
Speaker 4: Eric musselman here maybe it's just like too far gone
2:10:48
Speaker 4: with a guy who's been on five stops.
2:10:50
Speaker 3: In, six years gosh it's bad, for.
2:10:53
Speaker 4: Us societally, sports culture wise it's.
2:10:56
Speaker 3: Bad for us the other part OF this o c is.
2:11:03
Speaker 7: This.
2:11:03
Speaker 4: Is college athletics it, used to be And it didn't
2:11:09
Speaker 4: like athletics was always. The, First priority right there's, lots
2:11:13
Speaker 4: of people lots of people they, want to say what
2:11:15
Speaker 4: happened to prioritizing college and like it wasn't ever. The
2:11:19
Speaker 4: first priority it wasn't ever. The first priority i'm not.
2:11:23
Speaker 4: Gonna be that i'm not gonna be disingenuous and bring.
2:11:25
Speaker 4: Up that point i'll, say this though it was part
2:11:29
Speaker 4: of what what they would do to. Recruit you there,
2:11:33
Speaker 4: they would talk, they would say, and listen you if you,
2:11:37
Speaker 4: apply yourself academically you come out with, a college degree
2:11:40
Speaker 4: and you can and you can be on the track
2:11:41
Speaker 4: on track for a great living. Outside of sports if
2:11:46
Speaker 4: if things don't, work out right that's not even like
2:11:49
Speaker 4: part of.
2:11:50
Speaker 3: The equation anymore.
2:11:51
Speaker 4: That's a problem that's, a huge well especially now because
2:11:54
Speaker 4: you've multiplied that issue twofold to where, you're just like
2:11:58
Speaker 4: not only are we less worried about, your academic achievement
2:12:03
Speaker 4: but also we're gonna throw a bunch of, money at
2:12:06
Speaker 4: you and so you're gonna have all of these. Hard lessons,
2:12:09
Speaker 4: learned and yeah like, that nest egg if you if
2:12:12
Speaker 4: you know how to handle it and, deploy it correctly, that's,
2:12:15
Speaker 4: Life Changing Right Like devin dan pierre is going To
2:12:20
Speaker 4: leave The university of utah The Same way cam rising
2:12:23
Speaker 4: did much better off than most adults ever find themselves in.
2:12:27
Speaker 4: Their entire lifetime the difference between those two guys and
2:12:32
Speaker 4: what some of these like, perpetual transfers are like, degree
2:12:37
Speaker 4: leadership mentorship a little awareness of what, we should do and,
2:12:43
Speaker 4: education for real and education like they're gonna leave not
2:12:47
Speaker 4: only with, a nest egg but equipped, in some ways
2:12:50
Speaker 4: either academically or otherwise on maybe how they, with, with connections,
2:12:55
Speaker 4: professional personal connections with maybe how they should move forward.
2:12:58
Speaker 3: In their lives these other cats.
2:13:01
Speaker 4: That are bouncing from school to school to, school five,
2:13:04
Speaker 4: places six places four places in three.
2:13:06
Speaker 3: Years whatever.
2:13:09
Speaker 4: Nobody, nobody cares well he got you here with FIVE
2:13:13
Speaker 4: hundred grand i don't care how.
2:13:14
Speaker 3: He spend it you're looking on.
2:13:16
Speaker 4: A sports car You're at The. University of georgia get a.
2:13:18
Speaker 4: Reckless driving, thing. LET'S go kid i want. You to graduate,
2:13:23
Speaker 4: IF you don't. I don't care whatever It's Like like
2:13:29
Speaker 4: baker mazara. His fifth school schools don't just take. All
2:13:34
Speaker 4: your credits, by, the Way too he i'd be surprised
2:13:37
Speaker 4: if he has enough for. An associate's degree five FIVE
2:13:41
Speaker 4: transfers in usc is. A tough SCHOOL like things, I
2:13:47
Speaker 4: don't know like that's that's a, Huge problem too like
2:13:50
Speaker 4: the thing that should have that that Has always been
2:13:53
Speaker 4: like the backup plan with college athletics is not even part.
2:13:57
Speaker 3: Of the plan are we gotta take.
2:13:59
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Speaker 3: Welcome to show how are? You doing well appreciate, Hating,
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Speaker 3: me on yeah thanks for.
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Speaker 4: TAKING the time i know this, is a busy busy.
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Speaker 4: Time of years we marched CLOSER Toward that nfl draft
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Speaker 4: and we're coming right. Off, the combine obviously people around
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Speaker 4: here are pretty Dialed In on spencer fano and the
2:15:04
Speaker 4: performance that he Had As the. Outland trophy winner he
2:15:08
Speaker 4: was great. On the field we thought that his athleticism
2:15:11
Speaker 4: would translate well at the combine and it looks. Like
2:15:15
Speaker 4: it did what's the scuttle Butt about around spencer final
2:15:18
Speaker 4: right now when it comes to, This, upcoming.
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Speaker 7: Draft yeah you really hit the nail on, The.
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Speaker 6: HEAD there sean, i think overall When You watch spencer,
2:15:25
Speaker 6: fono move right the foundation of any offensive lineman really
2:15:29
Speaker 6: all football starts with footwork and the way, that he
2:15:32
Speaker 6: moves whether he's playing tackle long term, or his career
2:15:35
Speaker 6: or playing guard or even some teams requested to see
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Speaker 6: him snap at center, after his workout he's going to
2:15:40
Speaker 6: be a high level player early on. In his career
2:15:42
Speaker 6: the ability to mirror, different body types whether he's facing
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Speaker 6: the guy at tackle that's two hundred and Forty Five
2:15:48
Speaker 6: pound michael parsons or a guy, That's You know miles
2:15:50
Speaker 6: derrett at two hundred and seventy, five plus pounds those types.
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Speaker 6: OF body, types, i think overall everything on the tape
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Speaker 6: showcase the high level mover in a high level technician
2:15:59
Speaker 6: with what he does in his hand and mixing up
2:16:01
Speaker 6: different level looks as far as his vertical setting guys
2:16:03
Speaker 6: as he jumped setting guys and then he just checked
2:16:05
Speaker 6: off those boxes not only, on the field but really
2:16:08
Speaker 6: the biggest thing is Really at the combine is just,
2:16:11
Speaker 6: behind the scenes right learning who these players are as
2:16:14
Speaker 6: young men coming into, a community wherever whoever. THAT organization Is,
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Speaker 6: i think spencer as far As the guy schenys a,
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Speaker 6: high level character loves the, game of football. Very high
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Speaker 6: level just, THIS individual overall i think everything for him
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Speaker 6: was Going to the combine to where he could. Have
2:16:28
Speaker 6: sat out he didn't, have to participate but, he showed,
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Speaker 6: up he competed, and for me really solidified himself as
2:16:34
Speaker 6: what he should be, a top fifteen top fifteen pick.
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Speaker 4: In HIS class so i want to ask you about
2:16:39
Speaker 4: that that part you, just mentioned there the choice to
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Speaker 4: participate or. To sit out we're seeing more and more
2:16:46
Speaker 4: a lot of elite players feel like they don't have
2:16:49
Speaker 4: to and. They don't right teams will evaluate them, through
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Speaker 4: individual workouts for. Pro days whatever For Somebody, like spencer
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Speaker 4: fano who is debately, Tackle Number one francis mongoha in that,
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Speaker 4: conversation as well he did not, he, went measured interviewed
2:17:07
Speaker 4: did not participate. In the drills spencer. Obviously did do
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Speaker 4: teams or the league in general view those two things
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Speaker 4: with the significant difference or is it just kind of
2:17:19
Speaker 4: like personal preference and we'll take you.
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Speaker 3: Whichever.
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Speaker 6: You, do kid yeah nowadays, a little bit it is.
2:17:25
Speaker 6: A personal, preference i mean you think you Could look
2:17:27
Speaker 6: to jeremiah love right running back, to their name arguably
2:17:29
Speaker 6: the premier player, in this class and he runs. Four
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Speaker 6: to three he didn't have to do anything the rest.
2:17:33
Speaker 6: Of the day he could have sat out and just
2:17:34
Speaker 6: stayed on his phone if, he wanted, to you know
2:17:36
Speaker 6: but he goes and does all. The positional, drills you
2:17:38
Speaker 6: know that's something there to where you for some, scouts,
2:17:40
Speaker 6: to say look we're. Happy you competed we didn't want
2:17:42
Speaker 6: to see it hurt, yourself out there but happy. THAT
2:17:44
Speaker 6: you did, i think, nowadays, you know overall there's so
2:17:47
Speaker 6: many guys that are in, these players' years and he
2:17:49
Speaker 6: used to, be just hey, fifteen years ago you Get.
2:17:52
Speaker 6: An invite indianapolis you're showing up and you're competing, no
2:17:55
Speaker 6: matter what. You're doing, everything you know guys don't even
2:17:57
Speaker 6: do the. Three cone drill you Got Receivers like mikailea,
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Speaker 6: Lemons say hey i'm just going to do The gauntlet
2:18:01
Speaker 6: and i'm not. Doing anything, else you know you've got
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Speaker 6: guys that are not even at the combine that would
2:18:05
Speaker 6: have loved an opportunity to go. There and COMPETE so
2:18:08
Speaker 6: when i think of it from, a league perspective it
2:18:10
Speaker 6: is a pick and choose as far as if you're
2:18:12
Speaker 6: an organization that really values those. Types OF things but
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Speaker 6: i think, in this situation when You're, talking about fano
2:18:17
Speaker 6: when you're talking about, now you know when you're even
2:18:19
Speaker 6: talking about the larger landscape of this offensive tackle class
2:18:23
Speaker 6: where bottom line found there's not a lot of peer
2:18:26
Speaker 6: offensive tackles, in this class and they're trying to see
2:18:28
Speaker 6: guys in front of them and confirm those. ATHLETIC and
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Speaker 6: tangibles i think in this case where you don't have
2:18:33
Speaker 6: a class Where There's a joe waltz, at the top
2:18:36
Speaker 6: where HE'S a, solidified ot one they. Wanted to see
2:18:40
Speaker 6: now we know out there. On the field they've been
2:18:41
Speaker 6: talking a few scouts this week that were upset that
2:18:44
Speaker 6: he was not out there and then, on the Contrary
2:18:46
Speaker 6: happy that fano went out there and did everything that he.
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Speaker 6: Needed to do so it really is up to the
2:18:51
Speaker 6: player and their respective camps of doing what they want
2:18:54
Speaker 6: to Do. At THE combine but i do feel like
2:18:56
Speaker 6: as these. Years go on it's just unfortunate that even
2:18:59
Speaker 6: though you do get An, invite to indy it's more
2:19:00
Speaker 6: so focusing on the interviews than rather coming out and
2:19:03
Speaker 6: participating in the on field and testing portion.
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Speaker 4: Of, The drills well, fano's the headliner and he has,
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Speaker 4: been all year but right behind Him Has been caleb
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Speaker 4: lomo and obviously book ended on the other Side of
2:19:15
Speaker 4: that utah offensive, line all year and some offensive line
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Speaker 4: experts you talk to say like he actually might have
2:19:22
Speaker 4: as high of an upside or even higher upside because
2:19:24
Speaker 4: of his Past sets. Than spencer does and he also
2:19:28
Speaker 4: performed well four nine to nine in the forty.
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Speaker 3: And tested well they jumped.
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Speaker 4: BASICALLY the, same i mean they're mirror images of one,
2:19:35
Speaker 4: another personality. Wise Sometimes too, caleb LOMO is, like i
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Speaker 4: said he's. Not the headliner he's not going to be
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Speaker 4: in that, top fifteen conversation but he is in the.
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Speaker 4: First round conversation how much did?
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Speaker 3: HE help himself i thought he helped.
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Speaker 6: Up a bunch you mentioned the four nine to nine
2:19:51
Speaker 6: they build to get. OUT in Space, i think caleb
2:19:53
Speaker 6: as far as looking at, this tackle class where really
2:19:55
Speaker 6: a lot of the Focus right now Sean Is on Monroe,
2:19:58
Speaker 6: Freeling from Georgia maxi Ihanotch Or, from arizona state and
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Speaker 6: that back end. OF round One I think caleb loan
2:20:04
Speaker 6: absolutely should be. In That Category even caden procter Of,
2:20:07
Speaker 6: course from alabama whether, he just tackle whether he's a
2:20:09
Speaker 6: CARD at. The nfl Level, BUT for caleb i think
2:20:12
Speaker 6: his best football is two, to three years four years.
2:20:15
Speaker 6: DOWN the road i think he still has room to,
2:20:17
Speaker 6: add muscle mass and they've been talking to some teams.
2:20:19
Speaker 6: In the process that's. What they've, Mentioned, they think hey
2:20:21
Speaker 6: this is guy can come in with two years, at
2:20:23
Speaker 6: left tackle playing some high level ball and a good
2:20:26
Speaker 6: conference and a well coached offensive line Group Opposite, of
2:20:28
Speaker 6: spenser fono and the guys can come in and compete
2:20:31
Speaker 6: right away again and having that trajectory with player development
2:20:34
Speaker 6: that goes overlooked, every single year am out of the position.
2:20:38
Speaker 6: That You're drafting so caleb for me is absolutely a late.
2:20:40
Speaker 6: First round prospect interested to see what offense, he LANDS
2:20:43
Speaker 6: in but i think, as a big physical player that
2:20:46
Speaker 6: can WIN a to b in, the ground game and
2:20:48
Speaker 6: also you mentioned his past pro sets where he just.
2:20:50
Speaker 6: Arrives with poise he got. Really good hands the athleticism,
2:20:53
Speaker 6: continues to EVOLVE and, as i mentioned he's going to
2:20:55
Speaker 6: get stronger as he fills. Into his body very interesting
2:20:58
Speaker 6: young player that think is going to have a HECK of.
2:20:59
Speaker 4: An Nfl clear dallan bentley went as a tight end
2:21:03
Speaker 4: and he had a Great year for utah after kind
2:21:06
Speaker 4: of waiting in the wings and sitting behind some higher
2:21:08
Speaker 4: profile players, at the university he had a. Great final
2:21:12
Speaker 4: season and he's a, much more traditional big body tight
2:21:15
Speaker 4: end than Like a brand keithy who.
2:21:17
Speaker 3: Will have to figure out what his. Future.
2:21:19
Speaker 4: Looks like uh and you know he tested really really
2:21:23
Speaker 4: well high relative athletics score good, forty good, vertical strong guy.
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Speaker 4: All THIS stuff and i know that he's Nowhere near a.
2:21:32
Speaker 4: Day one guy but with this tight end, class THIS
2:21:36
Speaker 4: year And i mean sadik running a, four to, four,
2:21:39
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous right, but he's, Like you know dallen's two
2:21:42
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds and you can put his
2:21:45
Speaker 4: hand in the dirt at the end, of the line
2:21:46
Speaker 4: he's going to block his butt. Off for you what
2:21:48
Speaker 4: did teams think of guys like him and him? Specifically,
2:21:51
Speaker 4: right now.
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Speaker 6: Yeah this is a very Deep tight end class twenty.
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Speaker 6: Seven tight ends We're, invited TO andy and i was
2:21:56
Speaker 6: Glad to see dallan. Run the time he dad right,
2:21:58
Speaker 6: excellent ten yards but as well ALSO put up i
2:22:00
Speaker 6: believe twenty four reps on the bench which, showcases his
2:22:03
Speaker 6: strength and he tested well on the broad and the
2:22:05
Speaker 6: verb to. Showcase, that explosiveness now the guy only had
2:22:08
Speaker 6: three catches in his first two seasons Out, there in
2:22:10
Speaker 6: utah so he's really still probably relatively unknown to. The
2:22:13
Speaker 6: public eye, but for scouts, THIS other guy i think
2:22:16
Speaker 6: that's gonna probably go maybe even, late third round early
2:22:18
Speaker 6: portions of the fourth because, of HIS athleticism and i
2:22:21
Speaker 6: think the projectibility that you do have in his game
2:22:24
Speaker 6: because you mentioned, the blocking, ability, that means hey he
2:22:26
Speaker 6: can come in and play in line and scoot out,
2:22:28
Speaker 6: to the perimeter or he can kind of change the math,
2:22:30
Speaker 6: if you will offensively versus defensively to where you have
2:22:34
Speaker 6: to bring in another athlete. On the field because he's
2:22:36
Speaker 6: not a four. To eight runner he's a low four.
2:22:38
Speaker 6: To six guy you could class play him basically as
2:22:40
Speaker 6: a four, or five guy and when he gets, the
2:22:41
Speaker 6: pads on he'll, go through, you around you or even
2:22:44
Speaker 6: over you and have that. TYPE of, ATHLETICISM i mean
2:22:46
Speaker 6: i posted a video on my ex a Few weeks
2:22:48
Speaker 6: Ago sean of gallon doing a backflip at two hundred and.
2:22:51
Speaker 6: Sixty two pounds now there's some scouts out there not, going, to,
2:22:54
Speaker 6: say hey look we're just gonna draft this guy because he.
2:22:56
Speaker 6: Can do that but that does showcase the type of
2:22:58
Speaker 6: athleticism and pal projectability that this kid has as the
2:23:02
Speaker 6: potential tight end two or tight end three for. An
2:23:05
Speaker 6: Offense somewhere so i'm very interested to see, where he
2:23:07
Speaker 6: lands what type of offense to do that prioritize twelve,
2:23:10
Speaker 6: or thirteen personnel and, IF they do i think he
2:23:13
Speaker 6: someone's going to outplay his draft. Staf very quickly.
2:23:16
Speaker 4: We're TALKING Up coming Nfl Draft With ryan fowler Draft
2:23:21
Speaker 4: analyst b yu obviously had a lot, of attention here
2:23:26
Speaker 4: Even on the Home of the. Youths as well they
2:23:28
Speaker 4: had a great Football Season, and jack kelly one, of their,
2:23:32
Speaker 4: linebackers despite injury.
2:23:35
Speaker 3: Was pretty productive.
2:23:36
Speaker 4: This past year and then he goes out to the
2:23:38
Speaker 4: combine AND shows off i think for. Some surprising athleticism
2:23:42
Speaker 4: we knew he was a, really GOOD player but i
2:23:45
Speaker 4: mean he had like a thirty, seven Inch vertical if,
2:23:47
Speaker 4: i'm not mistaken ran INCREDIBLY well and i, think helped
2:23:52
Speaker 4: himself which is always what you're out.
2:23:54
Speaker 3: There To. Do in indianapolis what were You Hearing? About,
2:23:56
Speaker 3: JACK kelly yeah i Don't even like.
2:23:59
Speaker 6: Jack last, YEAR you know i was hoping he was going,
2:24:01
Speaker 6: to COME out and i was talking even some teams,
2:24:03
Speaker 6: last year, say hey man this guy can probably sneak
2:24:05
Speaker 6: into the Later portions, of day, two you know goes
2:24:07
Speaker 6: back and. Has another year he just really fits that
2:24:10
Speaker 6: modern day type of defender within the front seven to
2:24:12
Speaker 6: where he could, play some edge he could play some.
2:24:14
Speaker 6: Off ball backer he's two hundred. And forty pounds so
2:24:17
Speaker 6: is he going to be that guy that lives on
2:24:19
Speaker 6: early downs against the run. Off, the edge no but
2:24:22
Speaker 6: he can be a guy that can play that even in,
2:24:24
Speaker 6: the Same Draft The harold, perkins JUNIOR Type the, rvl
2:24:27
Speaker 6: reech type to where you are versatile in what you
2:24:29
Speaker 6: do along. The front seven you, mentioned the, athleticism you
2:24:32
Speaker 6: know he had a seven to one to two cone
2:24:34
Speaker 6: drill as well as far as the guy that can
2:24:35
Speaker 6: change direction and work out in. The Open Field so
2:24:38
Speaker 6: jack kelly probably still met day three bucket kind of
2:24:40
Speaker 6: a tweener, if you will if you want to play
2:24:42
Speaker 6: the negative type of, things With Him. Play devil's advocate
2:24:45
Speaker 6: but overall it's a very productive football player with a,
2:24:47
Speaker 6: ton of experience a guy that, loves the game, high
2:24:50
Speaker 6: character player a lot of great things, from his camp
2:24:52
Speaker 6: from teams in. The INTERVIEW process so i think early
2:24:55
Speaker 6: portions of day three is When To expect jack kelly's
2:24:57
Speaker 6: name to come off the board, as a versatile high
2:25:00
Speaker 6: piece of in. A, front seven.
2:25:02
Speaker 4: Uh, just give me give me a guy with from
2:25:05
Speaker 4: the combine or whatever other reason where you just did
2:25:07
Speaker 4: love with this person you think they're going to BE a.
2:25:10
Speaker 4: Great nfl player we've seen Some of these combine warriors that.
2:25:13
Speaker 4: Don't work out we've seen some guys who they are
2:25:16
Speaker 4: insane numbers translate very directly. Onto the field who's someone
2:25:20
Speaker 4: that is jumping out at you.
2:25:21
Speaker 3: For, Whatever reason yeah.
2:25:24
Speaker 6: I'LL say POSITIVELY i think i look at a couple,
2:25:26
Speaker 6: of the, TACKLES you Know I think Monroe fleeland From Georgia.
2:25:29
Speaker 6: Or kaden procter him coming in and not three fifty
2:25:32
Speaker 6: two under three to sixty was a huge, thing with,
2:25:34
Speaker 6: him you know it, was, a big. Massive PHYSICAL player
2:25:35
Speaker 6: but i think both those guys really. Showcase Themselves Well
2:25:38
Speaker 6: even Dylan dynaman from. OREGON to safety i don't think
2:25:40
Speaker 6: he gets out. OF round one i think on the
2:25:42
Speaker 6: opposite side, of The. COIN no sean i look. At
2:25:44
Speaker 6: two Guys One, is denzel boston The. Receiver from washington
2:25:49
Speaker 6: i'm just much lower on his ability and THE reason
2:25:51
Speaker 6: why i say that he's a. Big physical target but
2:25:53
Speaker 6: THE explosiveness that i didn't see on tape is the
2:25:55
Speaker 6: exact SORT of things i didn't see, at the combine
2:25:58
Speaker 6: even in testing and even an. On field drill, Behind
2:26:00
Speaker 6: the scenes i've not seen it a, lot with him
2:26:02
Speaker 6: to where you GO to the nfl level and you're
2:26:04
Speaker 6: gonna face guys have thirty three and darms. On the
2:26:06
Speaker 6: outside can you get off the? LINE of scrimmage i like.
2:26:09
Speaker 7: That you're six.
2:26:10
Speaker 6: Three sixty four they go up and play the fifty
2:26:11
Speaker 6: to fifty ball and be a. Red zone threat but
2:26:14
Speaker 6: can he do? The little things can you separate on
2:26:15
Speaker 6: third and four hitch in a Divisional? BALLGAME in november
2:26:18
Speaker 6: i Don't Know if benzel boston is going to BE
2:26:20
Speaker 6: a guy i would rely.
2:26:21
Speaker 7: On to do. That.
2:26:21
Speaker 6: Right now now that's NOT to say i don't, like
2:26:23
Speaker 6: THE guy but i still think he's the second round
2:26:25
Speaker 6: pick more so than a top fifteen to top twenty pick.
2:26:28
Speaker 6: In his class and then also on the defensive side,
2:26:30
Speaker 6: Of The, BALL keldric falk i still think probably he's
2:26:33
Speaker 6: going to be a top twenty five selection. In his
2:26:35
Speaker 6: CLASS but when i look at, HIS body type i
2:26:37
Speaker 6: think there's a lot of baby fats. ALONG his body
2:26:40
Speaker 6: i know he's still, growing INTO himself but i wanted
2:26:42
Speaker 6: to see a little bit more as far, as the
2:26:43
Speaker 6: explosiveness the bend and versatility on his tape and even
2:26:48
Speaker 6: in The, drills in indianapolis as far as that flexibility
2:26:51
Speaker 6: and explosiveness around the corner to hoop krill that they
2:26:53
Speaker 6: do with. The big guys, he's a, big young, KID
2:26:55
Speaker 6: but overall i just wanted to see more explosiveness On.
2:26:58
Speaker 6: Tape That warren IF i'm a, gm, to say look
2:27:01
Speaker 6: we're going to draft this guy in the top fifteen
2:27:03
Speaker 6: and he's going to be a guy that's maybe here
2:27:05
Speaker 6: for the next eight to nine years, IN multiple contracts
2:27:07
Speaker 6: i just don't see. That Right Now with keldrick fault
2:27:10
Speaker 6: from album.
2:27:11
Speaker 4: There was some conversation around. The combine, Itself you know,
2:27:16
Speaker 4: Jags didn't go. Rams didn't go the fact, that you
2:27:20
Speaker 4: know some of the top players are, not participating anymore
2:27:24
Speaker 4: do you need to change the invite process to only
2:27:26
Speaker 4: people who do plan. On working out do we see
2:27:30
Speaker 4: any significant changes moving forward with.
2:27:32
Speaker 3: THE combine itself.
2:27:34
Speaker 6: I think there. Has to be, and you know we've
2:27:36
Speaker 6: seen the last few Years with the big twelve right
2:27:37
Speaker 6: having their, own pro day a lot of guys doing their.
2:27:40
Speaker 6: Own separate, workouts YOU know as, I, MENTIONED earlier sean
2:27:43
Speaker 6: i would love to see everybody that gets an invite
2:27:44
Speaker 6: to show. UP and compete i think there may. BE
2:27:47
Speaker 6: some changes i don't know exactly. What those are but
2:27:49
Speaker 6: as far as the larger, landscape of it if guys
2:27:51
Speaker 6: just don't want To go, to indian compete they're just.
2:27:53
Speaker 6: Not GOING to so i think that's going to be
2:27:55
Speaker 6: also a question of the agent as, far, as hey
2:27:57
Speaker 6: look we, get an invite we'd like to, see your
2:27:58
Speaker 6: guys will we show. On the compete think that's stuff
2:28:00
Speaker 6: that happens behind the scenes more so than large scale
2:28:02
Speaker 6: changes here over the.
2:28:03
Speaker 4: Next, few years ryan thank you so much for. Joining
2:28:08
Speaker 4: US today, it's i know, it's a busy busy. Time
2:28:10
Speaker 4: of year let's check in again right. Around, the draft okay.
2:28:13
Speaker 6: Obviously sounds Good Thanks Over, SEAN.
2:28:15
Speaker 4: Ryan fowler nfl and, College football, analyst draft insider Formerly.
2:28:21
Speaker 3: With the Commanders he Hosts. Commanding the huddle.
2:28:26
Speaker 4: Really dialed in not only on The players from UTAH
2:28:29
Speaker 4: and from byu And from, the big twelve but evan.
2:28:32
Speaker 4: Around the country and that last guy Is Talking about
2:28:35
Speaker 4: Keldric falk of auburn when we're talking about this is
2:28:39
Speaker 4: what's so FASCINATING about the. Nfl scouting combine talk about a,
2:28:43
Speaker 4: guy who's developing who's got some baby fat on, his
2:28:45
Speaker 4: frame still, he's sixty six two eighty five pounds and
2:28:51
Speaker 4: had what like a thirty Five inch, vertical so yeah thirty,
2:28:55
Speaker 4: five inch vertical nine. To nine broad that's the developing
2:29:00
Speaker 4: puppies they're talking about when they're RELATING to. Other nfl,
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Speaker 4: Is Wrapping, Up, Hi, spence.
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Speaker 3: Hello sean how? Are you great we were talking.
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Speaker 12: DURING the break i Can't Fathom being spencer fano's size
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Speaker 12: and running a.
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Speaker 3: Sub five forty there were.
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Speaker 4: Nine guys that tried out as offensive lineman at the
2:30:24
Speaker 4: combine who ran sub.
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Speaker 3: Five flat FORTIES nine that i mean for a one
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Speaker 3: hundred and.
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Speaker 12: Seventy pound person that is a good forty yard time
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Speaker 12: three hundred and he's like six four to three eleven
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Speaker 12: and he runs a.
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Speaker 3: Sub.
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Speaker 12: Five forty YEAH that WHEN i when i. SAW the,
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Speaker 12: numbers i mean we we've all known that he's awesome for.
2:30:45
Speaker 12: A long TIME but when i saw Those numbers and
2:30:49
Speaker 12: caleb had a, really good. Showing IT'S, amazing so, I
2:30:54
Speaker 12: you know i never know which mock. To look at
2:30:57
Speaker 12: porter makes fun OF me because i Still talk about
2:30:59
Speaker 12: milkai only because he's. Doing IT forever But i Think
2:31:03
Speaker 12: kuiper has, spencer at FIVE and then i don't know
2:31:07
Speaker 12: That he has caleb going in, the first round but
2:31:08
Speaker 12: that might change with, THE combine results. I, would Imagine Well.
2:31:12
Speaker 4: And ryan fowler who, just joined us you can hear
2:31:14
Speaker 4: THAT conversation at espn seven Hundred sports dot com talked
2:31:17
Speaker 4: about the fact, that you know these teams are wondering about, like,
2:31:20
Speaker 4: true tackles.
2:31:21
Speaker 3: Right the, big long armed great footwork.
2:31:25
Speaker 4: Kind of guys or are we talking personal positional versatility
2:31:29
Speaker 4: with some. Of, These Guys look caleb lomo, is, a
2:31:31
Speaker 4: tackle yeah and if teams need Tackles Like the san
2:31:34
Speaker 4: francisco forty nine ers and other teams, in that situation
2:31:39
Speaker 4: he's a good guy. To go after he's, got long
2:31:42
Speaker 4: arms he's, a big boy. He's incredibly intelligent we'll see
2:31:46
Speaker 4: both of these guys well, NOT just Both I mean dallan,
2:31:49
Speaker 4: Bentley As well jack.
2:31:50
Speaker 3: Kelly As Well.
2:31:52
Speaker 4: Hopefully logan fauna we'll see What he and lander do
2:31:55
Speaker 4: in the pro day Workouts at The. University of utah
2:31:57
Speaker 4: we should have some news on when that's gonna happen.
2:31:59
Speaker 4: Sooner than later but hopefully these guys are on the precipice,
2:32:03
Speaker 4: of you know making a, bunch of money a bunch
2:32:05
Speaker 4: more money doing the thing that they've been doing for. A,
2:32:07
Speaker 4: long time.
2:32:08
Speaker 12: Yeah they've already been, paid pretty well and it's just
2:32:10
Speaker 12: such a great free Marketing tool for utah football to
2:32:15
Speaker 12: see these dudes just completely blow everything out, of, the
2:32:18
Speaker 12: water expectations.
2:32:20
Speaker 3: WHATEVER it, is i mean they continue just.
2:32:22
Speaker 12: To exceed It And obviously jim Hardy lives, in arbor
2:32:26
Speaker 12: now but just to, have you Know like when spencer's,
2:32:29
Speaker 12: Doing his thing You've Got the utah football, logo up there,
2:32:31
Speaker 12: and you know you would Know more ABOUT jordan than
2:32:35
Speaker 12: i would as far as what his coaching pedigree.
2:32:37
Speaker 3: Would look Like but losing, gym.
2:32:39
Speaker 12: Was tough, right you know so many great offensive linemens,
2:32:42
Speaker 12: Center The pros so jordan's, got some big big shoes
2:32:44
Speaker 12: to films well.
2:32:45
Speaker 4: And to the point, you're, making though right he is
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Speaker 4: the highest drafted offensive lineman Ever from The.
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Speaker 3: University of utah he was the number.
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Speaker 4: Eight overall pick there's not a player at That combine
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Speaker 4: in indianapolis who wouldn't trade, places with him except maybe
2:32:59
Speaker 4: except maybe you're For, an anm indoza because like he
2:33:02
Speaker 4: had a, decade long career was a pro Bowler and
2:33:05
Speaker 4: all pro and ended, up you Know in The ring Of.
2:33:07
Speaker 4: Honor at carolina that's a heck. Of. A, career, yeah
2:33:11
Speaker 4: so yes it's, all an adjustment it's all going to
2:33:14
Speaker 4: be fluid and. Things Like That but morgan scalley did
2:33:17
Speaker 4: a heck of a job of making sure that you
2:33:20
Speaker 4: don't take an obvious or significant backward step Losing Someone of,
2:33:24
Speaker 4: jim Harding's Caliber because jim harding was a Big reason
2:33:27
Speaker 4: why you've got two guys that are going, to be
2:33:30
Speaker 4: well one who's a definitive, first round pick and two
2:33:32
Speaker 4: that are good chance to being a.
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Speaker 12: First round pick let me throw something at you that
2:33:35
Speaker 12: was posed to me, over The weekend.
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Speaker 3: And i'm quite sure there's nothing.
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Speaker 12: Here at all do you think for one Second at
2:33:42
Speaker 12: all morgan Would have Followed kyle to michigan and be
2:33:46
Speaker 12: the Defensive coordinator for Michigan instead of stay and.
2:33:48
Speaker 7: Be.
2:33:48
Speaker 12: That coach no so somebody asked me just Because the
2:33:51
Speaker 12: j hill thing, happened SO quickly, and i like you
2:33:55
Speaker 12: believe really there, was nothing. There you know and the
2:34:00
Speaker 12: way he was posed to Me is would Kyle have
2:34:02
Speaker 12: wanted Morgan instead Of jay if morgan was willing.
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Speaker 4: TO do that i think that the Answer To the
2:34:09
Speaker 4: kyle whittingham angle of the question would you Rather?
2:34:11
Speaker 3: Have had MORGAN the answer i. Think. Is No, uh
2:34:14
Speaker 3: and morgan would you HAVE ever considered i.
2:34:17
Speaker 4: THINK is no i think that there was a, there's,
2:34:20
Speaker 4: mutual love respect admiration. Between THOSE guys but i think
2:34:26
Speaker 4: that it is a consensus opinion that the time to
2:34:29
Speaker 4: go the separate.
2:34:29
Speaker 3: Ways was now.
2:34:31
Speaker 4: It is Now and like morgan knows what it's like
2:34:34
Speaker 4: being a high level defensive coordinator and has known for,
2:34:37
Speaker 4: a long time he wants to know what it's like
2:34:40
Speaker 4: to be a head coach and he gets to do it. At,
2:34:43
Speaker 4: HIS spot yeah i MEAN this is i Don't know
2:34:46
Speaker 4: that Michigan Was ever kyle. Whittingham's dream job this Has,
2:34:49
Speaker 4: Always been morgan's.
2:34:50
Speaker 3: Scalley's dream job.
2:34:51
Speaker 12: Have you been able to make any inroads on getting
2:34:53
Speaker 12: us complete access to practice and spring ball with.
2:34:55
Speaker 4: Your old teammate he's still so non, committal on it
2:34:58
Speaker 4: but sense he has. Not, said no okay that's, a
2:35:02
Speaker 4: big step a little bit more than five. Or, ten minutes,
2:35:06
Speaker 4: also in addition can we get rid of the jugs
2:35:09
Speaker 4: machine behind the?
2:35:10
Speaker 3: Coaches being interviewed now. That's a tradition, AT this point
2:35:13
Speaker 3: i get it kills.
2:35:14
Speaker 4: Our practice set you want your audio to have lawnmowers,
2:35:20
Speaker 4: in the background those little mule things, they drive around
2:35:24
Speaker 4: the little, side by. Sides utility vehicles you want, the
2:35:26
Speaker 4: jugs machines, an occasional.
2:35:29
Speaker 3: Fur the airhorns you want none. Of those things.
2:35:31
Speaker 12: You, Need them ultimately i've pulled out of practice sound
2:35:34
Speaker 12: on my show. So many, times i'm like we. CAN'T hear,
2:35:37
Speaker 12: anything i mean wouldn't you want, your coaches, to you
2:35:42
Speaker 12: know be heard and understood? On your flagship this killed.
2:35:45
Speaker 12: The jugs machine it's. Not that hard. Wait, ten minutes.
2:35:48
Speaker 4: Well, the thing is you don't even have. To kill
2:35:50
Speaker 4: it you just have to pick them up and move. Them,
2:35:52
Speaker 4: Further away right because there's this for people who don't
2:35:55
Speaker 4: know the videos. That you see They have. This, Utah
2:35:58
Speaker 4: backdrop right it's a very natural spot. To do it
2:36:01
Speaker 4: it's right before the players go up the stairs into,
2:36:04
Speaker 4: the athletic facility and there's this corner of concrete walls
2:36:08
Speaker 4: where they set up those those, stand and.
2:36:10
Speaker 3: Repeats, stepping repeats right that's where.
2:36:13
Speaker 4: The backdrops, are that's great it's a very natural spot
2:36:18
Speaker 4: you as. An athletic reporter you don't have to move
2:36:20
Speaker 4: far out into. The player space the problem is that
2:36:24
Speaker 4: jugs machines. Are right THERE they have, i don't know
2:36:29
Speaker 4: seven acres of space.
2:36:30
Speaker 3: Where they could put. Those, junks machines yeah and it's just.
2:36:32
Speaker 3: Right There instead mark carlin's. A Big, listener paul, kirk big.
2:36:35
Speaker 12: Listener our guy, Keep keeler right so if, the, junk
2:36:39
Speaker 12: yeah indeed so if any of, you are listening and
2:36:42
Speaker 12: if you care about, Us, at all no you're not
2:36:44
Speaker 12: listening to, reverse.
2:36:45
Speaker 4: Reverse, psychology all right keep them. Where they are you
2:36:48
Speaker 4: want to just, lean into it just let's. Go, all
2:36:50
Speaker 4: right well he's. Your former teammate I'm Talking. About morgan
2:36:54
Speaker 4: scalley i'm a Proud Fraternity. Brother morgan scalley between the,
2:36:58
Speaker 4: two of us we might be able to, make some
2:36:59
Speaker 4: progress so on either of, the jugs machines.
2:37:02
Speaker 3: Let's be clear throw that in there at the END
2:37:04
Speaker 3: and potentially, i said machines.
2:37:07
Speaker 12: Don't look, that that's great and then a little more,
2:37:10
Speaker 12: access to practice which.
2:37:12
Speaker 3: WOULD be nice.
2:37:14
Speaker 4: A twelve minute air horn going OFF in, An nba
2:37:17
Speaker 4: game what?
2:37:19
Speaker 3: Do you do you? Kick him?
2:37:21
Speaker 12: Out, you, leave, yeah yeah yeah you, kick him out
2:37:24
Speaker 12: or you just take. Off Ridiculous stuff yell kitch is.
2:37:28
Speaker 12: IN town tonight i am actually going to go to. A,
2:37:30
Speaker 12: JAZZ game eh i.
2:37:32
Speaker 3: Don't, Believe that no i'm going to Go Our.
2:37:36
Speaker 12: Guy trey gerald fitzgerald who just celebrated a birthday a couple,
2:37:40
Speaker 12: of Days ago, big nuggets fan, got Some Tickets and
2:37:44
Speaker 12: yell kich, is. WORTH it, MAN i mean i don't
2:37:46
Speaker 12: Need To see isaiah caller leading the team back from
2:37:49
Speaker 12: a forty five point deficit for the seventy fifth.
2:37:51
Speaker 3: Time This year But I'll watch nikola jokic. EXCITED about.
2:37:54
Speaker 3: THAT i will i will SHOW up and i. Will
2:37:57
Speaker 3: find you. Now you're lying we're Both lying because spence isn't.
2:38:01
Speaker 3: Gonna go.
2:38:01
Speaker 12: EITHER i'm going. I had plans. I believe you i'm
2:38:05
Speaker 12: gonna send, you a picture and you're gonna meet apology
2:38:07
Speaker 12: and to. Baclab as shake that's not.
2:38:09
Speaker 3: The currency of. All transactions here.
2:38:12
Speaker 12: It was, So good though IT'S so good i need
2:38:14
Speaker 12: to get one on the way Home now because james
2:38:16
Speaker 12: owes both.
2:38:16
Speaker 7: Of.
2:38:16
Speaker 3: Us one james that was the Worst. Bet, for james
2:38:20
Speaker 3: yeah he didn't have a, chance to wager or even
2:38:24
Speaker 3: to put his own bed in.
2:38:25
Speaker 12: Two random shots of, the final score then Every other. Possibility,
2:38:29
Speaker 12: james Loses yes so james versus, the field, indeed all
2:38:33
Speaker 12: right stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: For the drive thanks For Listening to The.
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