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The Murder Of Preston Davey · DEADBUG SAYS

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[SPEAKER_01]: But years, we've been told that society is progressing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were more enlightened, more aware, more exclusive, and more compassionate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, at least that's where we're told on a day-to-day basis it seems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you strip away the slogans, the hashtags, the flags, the corporate bullshit, the government campaigns, and the endless virtue signone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you actually say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what I see is a society that's becoming increasingly detached from reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They immediately heard me too, the Dmitry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was once considered niche, an oddity, is now in every day reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Manit is now clear, at least to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a society, we are spiraling into a depth of inertia, mania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in such a wrong word here, with clearly no direction, just saying what needs to be set to be seen as a swell guy or a gal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man organizations more concerned, with looking good, than doing good, organizations obsessed with avoiding criticism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rather than solve problems, I see people terrified of being accused to say in the wrong thing, while the truly important things are being ignored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somewhere along the line, competence is stopping enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that competence stopped being the priority,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think may very well be bringing our society to the end, at least the end of society as we know it, and make no mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Future generations will judge us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The appearance of morality has become more important than morality itself, the appearance of compassion, has become more important than protecting people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The appearance of fairness has become more important than fairness, fairness, no longer matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've built a culture now where saying approved things matter more than saying the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the consequences are all around us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in public institutions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in the government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in universities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in your everyday workplace and corporations hiring practice as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Conversation increasingly revolves around demographics and looking good, quotes, whether than merit and ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in the workplace where employees spend more time navigating ideological mind fields than doing the job that they were actually hired to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in public services where officials seem terrified of making decisions
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[SPEAKER_00]: And nowhere is this fear more obvious than in the institutions that are supposed to protect us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My fucking Senate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want that odd, but I guess it is that odd, because if I say it, then they remove my YouTube channel or flag me, they'll shut me up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has become the defining emotion of modern leadership.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not courage, not responsibility, but fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fear of the complaints, fear of social media, fear of activists, fear headlines,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fear is saying something that might offend somebody somewhere, and when fear becomes the primary driver of decision-making, reality, as always, first casualty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, I mean, no one wants to get cancelled, God forbid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But people stop asking what works, what is best for society, and they just stop making decisions based on fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm reminded of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: about a month ago being on a business networking site which is suggested a business network and site for getting jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can post articles that you come across or talk about how difficult it's been getting work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stuff work related.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't use it very often but I have several friends that have been the television and film industry and it's the way we catch up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Facebook
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[SPEAKER_00]: And an individual had posted a picture of him and his boyfriend, holding candles, and there were at some sort of visual, and he posted it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Saying he was afraid that if a certain party came into power in the UK that they would reverse the legality of GameHourich.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now even if this party did,
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[SPEAKER_00]: take power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In three years from now, this is in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one is going to take away the right for same-sex couples to get married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's individual, I guess, about 23, 24, post to the pitch of him and his boyfriend, Holden Candles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a whole lot of the individual's of same-sex couples outside at night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing in London holding these candles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the responses were all overwhelmingly dramatic, and everyone was lining up and taking the turn to virtue signal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, take heart will be strong, be strong in these, and he's saying this individual said at the end of the article, he feared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That he was losing the fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The light was going out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just couldn't imagine him and his boyfriend were terrified.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I honestly thought to myself like the light of what the light at the end of your packer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't understand it because I think in this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where so many things horrible things are happening in this death and there's just there's so much uncertainty and sadness and poverty and we're all suffering it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I just thought this is what you're posting about and I just did and then in that I thought, you know, it's Pride Month so it's your time for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I should get enough attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not long ago my neighbor's teenage daughter had a brain aneurysm and she won my daughter's friend and she just dropped that and no one's celebrating her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she don't got no month of celebration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I think about her lots, you know, she was just a kid and she used to bring over clothes and she grown out of to give them my daughter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyhow, let's get back to this guy and his boyfriend hold on that candles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody was takes all this, take, you know, we love you, we're fighting for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an individual, no one knows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the response is to this individual, we're mostly women.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, mostly women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I said to him in an absolute non-aggressive way, I responded on the post and saying number one, this party I don't even think will take power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And number two, there is no evidence they've never mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: game marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've never ever ever mentioned, you know, changing the laws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I've never seen this party mentioned homosexuals, same-sex couples or whatever you want to call them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was just a post that was just, you know, it belonged more on Facebook, you know, it was like a just a pity post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would probably be the only aggressive thing I have I've said there was it was a pity post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this person came back to me and said that I was homophobic and I was a transphobic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of laughed because I was wondering when this person would bring out the phobic, because I hadn't said anything that I didn't even mention trans people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly didn't do anything that would be considered homophobic, except for to say his fears were unrealistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And possibly he should be doing this post somewhere else because it really,
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[SPEAKER_00]: people looking for for work and instantly he came up with that and then transphobic and and then and then that's when I had to I had to respond of course and I had to say you'll never ever have a kid without a third party involved you and your boyfriend so you'll never ever ever
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll never ever know the fear of one of your children, your daughters going into a change room and they're being a man in there, changing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A man who's dressed like a woman, but still technically a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also mentioned that, you know, shutting down discussions by using words like transphobic and homophobic was just one of the things that has become wrong with our society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, I had to just leave the conversation, leave the conversation on mute because I had nothing more to say, because it doesn't take much to imagine that I would be jumped upon by all these middle-aged women who tell me that this is a beautiful soul, just worried about his future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which for me is ironic that the only two weeks later I would turn on the news and I would hear about the tragic case that I am above to talk about right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this for me is about the most horrible case that I've ever read about a heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to warn you if you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: week of heart, mind, soul, or stomach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please leave now, turn this podcast off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some criminal cases that leave an entire community searching for answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: cases that force, difficult questions about trust, responsibility, and the system, or systems that a design to protect society's most vulnerable, and that's children, and this is one of those cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And ironically, for no particular reason, as I was sobering this podcast,
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[SPEAKER_00]: A pop-up came on my phone reminding me it was Pride Month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure why they would be reminding me because I don't have any horse in the race or any affiliation with the said cause.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or in fact at this point in my life, no one anybody who'd be celebrating it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Pride Month through all my listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I can say as the trial just wrapped up yesterday,
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[SPEAKER_00]: John McGowan, Fazak Lee, and Jamie Vali, by all accounts, were in a stable, loving relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 37-year-old James Vali was a school principal, who earlier had been voted teacher of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While 32-year-old John McGowan Fazak Lee was a sales manager for an asset finance company, meaning big bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the two had met in one of those fancy, fancy boss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the type that don't sell bees, and most of the drinks have umbrellas in a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The type of bar that usually does well during pride month, I guess you could say, you know the sorts where the dress code don't include, you need it to wear a shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And while accounts, the relationship progress quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I guess they weren't holding out for marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get my trip to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't ask him, so they moved in together because they wanted to take it to the next level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I guess that included children and being neither of them had a uterus, a adoption with the only way, or at least the only way for James and John.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before the name Eliza was given to him by his new adopted parents, he was known as just Preston Davy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Preston's early life had already been marked out by instability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His biological parents were career criminals as mother had been put in jail for murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie after his birth, he entered the care system and was placed with several farce to families.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess because either the parents couldn't cope or for pressants on safety, the decision had been made for him to be taken into care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But around 3,000 newborn babies per year in England, a subject took care of proceedings and the band insured after the birth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The number has risen significantly in the last decade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From roughly 2400 per year in 2012, 13, to about 29,000 per year in 2019 and 20.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is for various reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Single mothers, drug abuse, unplanned pregnancies, the list goes on and on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now to put this into perspective, in England and Wales, they had about 591,000 life births in 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If roughly 3,000 newborns are entering care, for all you eggheads, that's approximately 0.5% of births, or about 1 baby, in every 200 births.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This of course is a rough estimate because not every care proceeding results in foster care, and the statistics cover England rather than all of UK births.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a couple important points here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being the subject of care proceedings does not automatically mean a child is permanently adopted or permanently fostered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some newborns are placed with foster care as temporarily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some are placed with a relative for kin of some sorts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some eventually return to their birth parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Others are later adopted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where our story picks up because Jamie Vali and John Fizzagli had decided to be one of those couples to adopt them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the two of them figured they had a whole lot of love dripping out of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had to share it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in the UK, same sex couples have had the legal right to adopt for many years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and many progressive government agencies see this as a positive example of equality and inclusion and in fact many agencies fast track same sex adoptions the UK is a diverse country and it wants to be seen for being inclusive with many critics saying this need to be seen as inclusive
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over looks, heterosexual couples who are looking to adopt, showing a preference to same-sex couples, overlooking the credo of what these agencies are supposed to represent, and that is the welfare of the child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not whether an adopt a parent is heterosexual or same-sex, and they shouldn't be bringing symbolism before competence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in early 2023 that Preston David, who would be renamed Elijah, would finally get the opportunity to find what on the outside look like a loving family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this opportunity arrived just as a long cold winter was ending.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our professional, same-sex couple had been approved as adopt the parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: James Vali worked in education, and John Fasically worked in financial sales, and on paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They ticked all the boxes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A professional, same-sex couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hack, they didn't even eat meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's unless balls were attached to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll end to provide a stable family environment and for social workers involved in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it were a virtue signal and dream come true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laced in a baby whose mother was a killer, and to the hands of a gay couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, there's going to be a race involved with this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Heck, maybe even a promotion if it can be fast trapped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A placement that represented the beginning of a new chapter in Baby Preston's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, there would become his final chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The placement began in spring of 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecution would later argue that almost immediately, Preston became the victim of escalating physical and sexual abuse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: None at this point the baby was only nine months old, and I was at this time immediately after moving in that he started to suffer from what pathologists describe as cluster injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: non-accidental bruises, contusions, and other unexplained injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was evidence of abnormality in his anatomy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What that means, I don't know, because they don't say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Officials say that baby pressed and entered the couple's home in perfect health with no abnormalities, despite the fence lawyers challenging that overview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alluding to the fact that that clients were being subjected to a home of
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were numerous people who in the three months of the child being in the couple's care who noticed bumps on his head, bruises, gashes that couldn't be explained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next door neighbor, a cashier in the supermarket, a coworker, but no one wanted to appear to be homophobic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was on July 27th, 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just over three months since Baby Preston had been adopted by the same sex couple that the father, oh mother, that's never been differentiated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Former school principal Jamie Vali rushed into the hospital where Baby Preston limp in his arms, sobbing with his hands on his face running back and forth in the room with what many witnesses described as, purely performative, almost comedic, telling the medics that he'd been bathing the baby and it only turned his back for a minute or two, and when he came back, the baby was submerged and lifeless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the first thing that the medics were to know was the baby worn wet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he'd been having a bath, there were one of those fancy new age drybass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The security cameras at Blackpool and Victoria Hospital were also to note that Vali seemed to become less distressed when no one were around them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When police arrived at the hospital, the Lancashire Police Detective, inspect the follows, was later to state that Vali's behavior was almost pantomime like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While others described it as silly, borderlining on ridiculous, running around in circles, slapping his own arms and face, dropping to the floor and flailing, hot on this police body camp footage the moment he'd been told that baby Preston had died and that he needed to go see the body.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even with the tragedy of the situation, it's hard not to crack a smile watching a grown man run circles on the floor while wearing tightly-fitting red, jurazic park, pajamas, opposed more than examination found more than 40 external and internal trauma injuries to the child's body, with some consistent with forceful penetration, with the rips and tears associated with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they believed that baby Preston finally succumbed from anaphylaxic shock, from something large, being inserted down his throat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was of several pathologists' opinion that Preston hadn't drowned that day, and no liquids wallowed or money proof, that could be linked to drowning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They believe that the child had been sexually abused probably twice in a particular day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any further details have been retracted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Police also found footage on Vali's phone where baby pressed and appeared to be being tortured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one clip had been left in the bath for 14 minutes, appearing to suffer from sleep deprivation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While attempting to keep his nose and mouth above the waterline, while vowing video to it and laughing the background.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Saying the footage is hard to believe that it's a human being in the background, the cackling, and not some sort of wild animal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That same evening, police arrested Jamie Vali and John Fezakali for the murder of baby Preston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The senior investigating officer said that he believed that John Fesacali, a financial sales manager, was a work-gen that day when Preston died, and he'd taken a, here-no-evil scene-o-evil approached the parenting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, he knew the abuse was going on, but never as butt-body after all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the three and a half months that the baby was in the couple's care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He saw the bruises, the cuts, the bite marks, and the baby's buttocks, and the fractured arm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a significant amount of other warning signs that he chose to ignore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not warning his husband, to be seen in a bad light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators examined medical evidence, electronic devices, communication records, and witness statements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Prosecutors argued that Jamie Vali had repeatedly lied about key events.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Police were later described in publicly as a manipulative individual who repeatedly attempted to mislead investigators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecution's case relied heavily on forensic evidence, medical testimony, digital material, recovered during the investigation, rather than focusing on a single incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Prosecutors presented a broader picture of what they alleged had occurred during Preston's time at the couple's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with each piece of evidence adding another layer to the picture, emerging of the horrific crime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time the case reached the court, public interest was intense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The allegations were among the most serious, any jury could be asked to consider.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecution argued that Preston happened subjected to sustained sexual abuse before his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The defense disputed the significant aspects of the prosecution's account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it was the jury's task to evaluate the evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After hearing the testimony and reviewing the exhibits, jurors retired to consider their verdicts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they returned, they found Jamie Vali, guilty of murder, and multiple additional offenses, including possession of child porn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John McGowan, Physically, was convicted of allowing the death of a child as well as sexual salt of a child and child cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The verdict marked the conclusion of one phase of the case, but for many there were significant questions to be answered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how is this couple's adoption application fast-tracked?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When other more deserving couples had waited for years, still with no baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A two-tiered system, where someone was getting the shitty end of a stick, and not a single soul spoke up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After all, I wouldn't look good on the monthly performance reviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How could a child who had already entered the care system for protection ultimately suffer such harm?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where were the warning signs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was certainly plenty of them that everybody ignored all in the pursuit of exclusivity and everyone being afraid to raise a red flag because they didn't want to see him home of full-bick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a child who depended entirely on adults around him for his safety, and a child whose death led the one of the most disturbing criminal cases heard in Lancashire history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd like to think that this is the last time that we hear of a case like this, marking such human depravity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure for the world to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I fear that this is just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Found a pack of matches in my coat chewing gum, a crumpled note Received from a sex shop The tick's in, I love you lots I took the long way home
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pass the power plant to glow A dog named boom by the fence Watching the world make sense And all it wants It went cold A tiny rip And the hand me down
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the bad next to me, baby where you should be In the bad with me, I know you still need me Head full of dreams, shitty pointless dream Yeah, I guess that's me
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the corner, Mrs. Green sold me peaches, bruised and sweet She said, kid, get out while you can And left you don't need a man
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[SPEAKER_02]: Singin' the worst I ever heard I trace the down to my ring I give my death a free thing And I once it turned cold
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[SPEAKER_02]: A tiny rip, and a hand me down, cool In the bad next to me, baby way you should be In the bad next to me
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was strange, yeah, I guess that's me Silly little me Baby look is just Pointer left unlocked Baby start is just The first small knock And the bird next to me
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baby, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Should be in the bad next to me I know you're still need me Head full of dreams Pointless fucked up dreams Yeah, I guess that's me Stupid little me Yeah, I guess that's me
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess that's me