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  Hey, welcome back everybody.
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  Episode 69. No
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  joy in Sunday Amazon and much more that we're
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  covering tonight. So it's been a week. How
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  was your week, James? Oh, it was about normal for
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  me. I did get my entire year of
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  radar reports for this past year, plus I got the year
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  priors radar reports as well. And
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  only since January 1st, do I have any coverage factor
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  on the radar reports. So prior to that, I don't
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  have any information of my coverage factor to that,
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  which is surprising because we've had coverage factor
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  for every single main mail serving. So
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  I'm still trying to figure all this stuff out and get
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  my disputes put together before the 19th. And
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  it's been up and down with boxholders, like three
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  boxholders this week altogether. So
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  that was a lot of fun delivering all of those.
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  And just weather and normal
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  stuff and then got to the weekend, got to enjoy
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  yesterday, going around and doing a few things that
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  need to be done. And then today went to the
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  model railroad probably for the last time ever to help
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  them do inventory of all the model railroad equipment
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  that they have in the layout. While
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  one of the guys who loaned display models for the
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  layout came and picked up his stuff off the layout.
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  So I don't know what's going
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  to happen with it, but it's not looking good.
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  Probably will never step foot in
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  that building again. So it's kind of a sad day
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  today for me. But ready to take on this
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  episode and ready to take on this next week. How
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  was your week, Bill? Oh, I'm trying to figure out
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  where the hell I live, because between the rain
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  and the high winds, I swear to God, I'm, you
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  know, doing that. What's the deadliest catch? It's
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  ridiculous. We've got enough rain here that
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  set us through June. The winds are averaging 30 to
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  45 miles an hour a day. I'm
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  sitting on my back porch morning and the little rug
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  we have there at the step off to the ground goes
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  flying by me because Augusta Wynne picked it up
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  and just did I dream a genie right by my head.
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  Dang, what's going on here? I
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  read week, you know, same bullshit, same assholes, you
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  know, just a different day with the same weather. And
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  like I said, you know, I had the certified that
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  we'll discuss later with the arrival at units. It's
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  just it's frustrating that, you know, we have
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  transparency, but nobody's quite sure what the hell's
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  going on. Had both the grandsons over
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  this weekend, so that was enjoyable. And
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  that's about it. I mean, it was a quiet week
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  for the most part at work. How
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  about you, Kristen? How was your week jump? Oh,
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  not too bad. I Monday sucked, but Mondays
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  have been sucking in general anyways. And
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  I took Friday off. I used the next day for
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  Friday just because I didn't feel like going to
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  work Friday. And I went to a concert Friday
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  night. My beloved machine shop in
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  Flint and came home and had the crusted gecko baby
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  that we have now. And it was probably about 3 a
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  .m. before I finally went to bed
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  Friday night and didn't do much of anything at all
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  yesterday. And today I recocked the
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  bathroom tub. Yeah, that's pretty much other
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  than that work has been pretty the rest of the
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  week been, I don't know, not a lot going on. Other
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  than Monday sucking, but that's just Monday anyways.
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  Yeah, pretty much been my week.
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  It's not a whole lot of
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  anything at the moment. You know, kind of a fairly all
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  right week. Weather's been all right. So
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  for the rain and wind, I will tell you that the
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  wind Friday was awful driving the highway. I
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  was blowing all over the place on 75 heading south.
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  It was crazy. But
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  yeah, I don't know. It meant too bad of a week.
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  You know, it's windy when you
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  go to deliver mail into the mailbox. Three
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  times. Yeah, same mail. Yeah.
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  Oh, I know this that Thursday too, some males
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  like, Oh, I better hold this a little bit different
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  trying to put my in the boxes there along the lake.
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  That was my biggest fight with
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  the wind was my my mailbox is a long leak here on
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  those ones sucked definitely for sure. And
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  yeah, I mean Friday, like I said, I took Friday off
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  and went got new tires and oil change in my car. It's
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  been about it. It's just had a whole lot going
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  on just chilling and working as usual. We'll
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  see what tomorrow holds for me since I wasn't there
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  for two days. It's gonna be fun for you. Oh,
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  yeah. All right, so let's just get
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  right into the top news story we've got so far.
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  Postmaster Louis DeJoy, the board of
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  governor chair, Roman Martinez IV, postal
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  regulatory commission chair, Michael, I'm gonna slaughter
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  it, Kubeyanda and Inspector General Tammy Hall to
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  appear before the full Senate committee on
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  oversight of the United States Postal Service to
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  answer questions. Apparently all the news articles and
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  information that has been coming on as well as all
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  the gripes of the public going to our senators has
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  decided to drag these poor people in front of the
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  Senate committee. So we're gonna have to see
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  how that goes and whether Postmaster General Louis
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  DeJoy actually shows up this time. What
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  do you guys think? Well, let me correct you. His
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  name is Louis Destroy, not DeJoy, destroy because
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  that's his goal to destroy the post office. Right
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  on track with that, isn't it? I'm
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  telling you he's got this plan down to a T. I
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  just can't believe the reports that are coming out
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  that news groups can't get into CD facilities, mails
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  being rotated incorrectly, not the latest in first
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  out, but whatever is closest to the machine is
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  gonna get processed. I don't understand their
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  mentality and I haven't heard any problems like
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  that out of the SDC in King of Prussia,
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  Pennsylvania, but that sounds like one humongous
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  cluster duck. Clean that up for you there. I
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  have to agree. I mean, for instance, I, you
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  know, tried to send in a last minute state delegate
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  nomination to my local secretary -treasurer for a
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  co -worker that wants to go and it was supposed to be
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  due in on Monday. It was Thursday when I put it
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  out. So I put it priority so it
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  would get, I should have just freaking had a clerk
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  handstamp that sucker so it was postmarked and drove it
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  the two hours down to her house myself because I sent
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  it priority and this was Thursday when it went out
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  and she did not receive it to like Thursday or Friday
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  of the next week and it was expected to be
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  delivered on Saturday. Yeah, I mean it's... Yeah,
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  I mean I'm hearing stories from all across the country
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  people telling me of these things and going on and
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  not to mention the news articles that have been
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  posted all over the place. It's
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  crazy to think that you went into a plan like
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  this, your 10 -year delivering for America plan,
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  you literally did not set yourself up at these new
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  facilities you're creating with the employees there to
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  manage it. I understand we've been having
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  problems hiring employees, but you're delivering for
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  America plan was supposed to transition these
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  employees to these new facilities like dragging all
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  these rural carriers into the S &DCs, the city
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  carriers in the S &DCs, the clerks in the S &DCs, but
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  you're not doing that. You left it to rot and now
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  somebody's got to pay the piper for it and I hope
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  that he does show up and I hope he gets his
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  backside reamed for it by the Senate committee. It
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  doesn't mean it's going to do anything because we know
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  for a fact that anything involving these discussions
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  rarely results in changes that are immediate or
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  effective, but maybe if we can start getting that
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  media outlet out there, that's going to be the
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  best thing we can do, which leads me right into
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  resolution updates because I did have my county meeting
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  on Wednesday. They passed every resolution that
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  I put in front of them without going through them,
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  without reading them, they just passed them and that
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  was by a vote of the entire group that was
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  there. So they're going on to state
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  and included in that is the resolution put forth at
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  the recommendation of from 8R arbitration that the
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  NRLCA joined with the NALC, the APWU and others in
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  basically going no confidence in DeJoy in his
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  delivering for America plan. Well,
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  it's funny that you bring that up because with the
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  consolidations I have in my area, at least four
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  carriers that are now going to be looking for other
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  jobs. A, they are on table two. B,
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  they're on the far side of their post office that they
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  used to work out of, so they have an extra 45
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  minutes to drive to the SD &C. So
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  that's an hour and a half a day that they're spending
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  traveling to work. Okay, you're getting an extra
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  four hours a week, an hour and a half a day at
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  times. Oh, you're giving up nine
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  hours, you get four hours. I
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  don't know where, any well, it's country or the world,
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  but that math just doesn't add up. And
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  the fact that a matter is that in driving back to
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  their post offices, their post offices are still
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  getting deliveries. So why can't they deliver the
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  mail to those offices and just skip the second truck
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  in the afternoon? They have approximately a half
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  mile walk from their workstation to their truck
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  area, half a mile. People are people are going to
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  get burned up, chewed out, chewed up and spit out
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  over these SD &Cs. And it's happening already in
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  my area. Yes, it's happening. I
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  talked to my good friends that went to an SD &C in
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  New York, right, you know, mini mail survey started.
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  She may come on with us, why
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  Bill's on vacation and give her her insight on what
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  she's had to deal with. And
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  it's crazy is because, you know, and then they added
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  mileage onto the routes. So her route went up to like
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  a 44 or 46. And then with the last mini
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  mail survey, it put her up to a 48. And
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  she's usually done by 230 every day. She's
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  not overburdened. But because the additional
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  mileage, she's now in overburden status. And
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  she was told that she was her route was going to be
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  cut here in the next couple weeks. That's
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  the other side of it is the people going into these
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  SD &Cs were already, a lot of them were already
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  overburdened in a lot of ways. And
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  if like, say for instance, Bill, with his overburdened
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  route, were to go to an SD &C, he'd have those
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  extra hours tacked on. He's already being paid 48K. And
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  then they cut him back to 43 after moving to the SD
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  &C. So he's lost that five, five
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  hours a week in pay, moving to the SD &C after
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  they cut his route. So he's lost money going to
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  the SD &C on top of getting the route cut that
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  he would have gotten at his regular office down the
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  five hours. I mean, that's, and if they
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  had moved her office, she would not be in a 47, 48K
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  position. She'd probably be back up to
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  like a 44, maybe a 45. But
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  they had, I think I'd have to go back and look at
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  the messages, but it was like three or four hours
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  were added just because the additional mileage out to
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  her route went back. And now that put her in
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  overburden status. I mean, to the point that,
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  you know, she was in tears. I
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  spent two hours on the phone with her that day,
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  just, you know, like, wow, it is ridiculous. It's
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  the extra burden that is put on the carriers. I
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  mean, just in transportation to and from work, not
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  including the extra time and miles that's added on
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  to the routes. I mean, for some situations,
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  yeah, it may be good, but then you get in these some
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  situations that's now put you in an overburden status
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  and you're not even an overburden route to begin
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  with. And now they want to cut you.
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  And yeah, it's, and this whole
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  non -delivery for America plan is sure is working
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  great, isn't it? Well, the same way we had one
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  stand up talk this week, in regards to squaring up
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  our route. And according to the postmaster,
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  what that means is that routes won't keep driving
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  by each other, get to their assigned start
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  delivery point. And I looked at her, you have
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  a question, Mr. May? I said, well, how are you
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  going to get to the routes? If
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  somebody starts at A, and they start at X, Y and Z,
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  and you have to drive by A to U to get there.
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  Well, we're going to fix that.
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  And I said, how much experience
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  do you have in, you know, squaring off route? Well,
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  they're going to train us. And
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  I said, who's training the trainers? Well,
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  don't you worry about that. I
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  said, oh, my paycheck, don't worry about that. And
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  I just turned around and walked back in my case.
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  I'm not done my service talk.
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  I said, oh, yes, you are.
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  Yeah, I mean, I got one route
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  that I could think of off the top of my head that
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  drives through three other routes to get to the start
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  of their route because they're completely different
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  zip code. Yep. I've got two of them like
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  that. They're completely different zip
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  codes to where they're driving through at least
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  one, if not two other routes just to get to
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  their first box. Because like I said, completely
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  different zip codes. So, you know, when you're
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  driving 10 miles out to your first box, you're
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  going to go through other routes. I
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  mean, my route, what's up with two other routes? And
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  I literally drive through the middle of the city
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  route to get to the other end of my route. Because
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  mine's the way the lines divided up. I
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  drive through three on the way out on the way out to
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  mine and then three on the way through my route and
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  then pass her two of them on the way back to the
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  office. And let me remind you that
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  squaring up also means that everybody's going to average
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  K 43. Yes, that's what I have heard.
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  When she said that, I heard
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  somebody do the old bullsh**t bullsh**t bullsh**t
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  bullsh**t bullsh**t, excuse me. Yeah,
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  I don't want to order three. I'm
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  happy with my 46. I don't know who said that,
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  but you know, it sounded familiar. People
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  have no clue. They really don't. No,
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  management has absolutely no clue what they're doing.
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  They have no clue how to do
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  this stuff. And they've proven it time and
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  time again. And unfortunately for me, it
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  also proves that the union leadership is showing that
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  they don't know how all of this stuff works. I
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  mean, the latest thing they've come out with is,
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  Hey, here's a spreadsheet for you to figure out your
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  route coverage, even though they turned around and
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  recently put out information about those, how route
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  coverage works. And the first one says that
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  they use breadcrumbs as well as DPS. And,
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  of course, your flats that you're supposedly credited
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  for. But yet I have on the 42, 41
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  A and M dispute sheet, it says route coverage, there
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  is currently no report available to calculate this.
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  So management apparently has no
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  way to calculate it, even though they're showing it
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  now on the radar report. And
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  yet I've had contacts with the union tell me that
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  breadcrumbs aren't used for coverage factor. And
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  it's been proven by the people who have stopped for
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  three to five seconds at every box and not gotten
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  100 % coverage every single day that they stopped at
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  every single box. I had a person tell me that
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  they believe that it's not just active boxes, but even
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  your inactive vacant addresses, addresses that
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  haven't had a box or mail delivered to them in 20
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  years or so, stuff like that, that are also part
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  of your coverage factor. So nobody has a clue what our
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  coverage factor is, but supposedly if you do this
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  little spreadsheet, you could know if your coverage
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  factor is accurate or not. But
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  yet it says on the 42, 41 A and M, you can't use
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  that spreadsheet to dispute your coverage factor either.
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  So I don't know what you guys
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  think. Do you think that leadership
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  even knows what goes into our coverage factor? I
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  saw that sheet and I printed it off and I put
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  it in the bathroom just in case I run out of toilet
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  paper. I mean, that's how useful
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  that is. You know, your coverage factor,
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  we have informed delivery, we have informed visibility,
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  we have this, if you have a box holder, you don't
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  have to worry about it. Okay,
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  what happens when the clerk hands you off a foot and
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  a half of clerk mail and you have to deliver to an
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  address that's getting no DPS or any other type of
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  mail item that's on their forms in their data, but
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  you're actually delivering it. That's
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  an active box, that's coverage, and that's not
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  factored in. And they can't prove it to you
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  because they don't know. And
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  that's the problem with this whole program. There
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  is no transparency to the national board because they
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  don't care. They're taking the word of the
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  engineers as gospel and we're getting screwed over
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  it. And you're right, James. And
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  they're the management. You're
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  right. They do have people who stop at
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  every box for three to five seconds, mail or no
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  mail. And they're coming back with 73
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  and 78 % coverage factor. So
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  stopping at the box is not making a bit of difference.
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  No, it's not. And
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  yeah, you have this whole spreadsheet that you could
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  do for 12 days, blah, blah, blah. They
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  put it out there. Case every single mail and then
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  count the spots in the case that don't have any
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  mail. I'm sorry, I don't have time.
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  I am not going to sit in
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  the office for 12 days straight and case every
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  little point of mail. I take my DPS to the street.
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  I'd rather just use my clicker
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  that I use for my invertees and then just
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  click on whatever active boxes I drive by. Maybe
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  it would make a lot more sense than having to case
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  every single piece of mail that I don't normally case
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  anyways. You know what I mean? And
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  I know that a lot of people that were stopping
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  at every box for three to five seconds, I had a
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  manager tell me that, oh, well, you have to be
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  within five feet of the point you mapped on the
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  mapping program in order for it to register. You
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  stopped at the box. And I sat there and I gave
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  him the deer and headlights look because the GPS that's
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  in your phone, if you have nine satellites pinning your
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  location, it can be accurate to within 15 feet.
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  But most often, if you're in
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  an area with low satellite coverage, it could be 30
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  feet, 60 feet. If you only have two
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  satellites, it would be accurate within 150 feet.
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  So there's no way that anybody
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  could literally be five feet in on the on the box
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  and be accurate on that. It's
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  crazy to think about that stuff that technology is
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  not as accurate as they want us to be to these
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  points. And then you got areas with
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  high tree coverage, which also messes with that as
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  well with your GPS breadcrumbs or lack of cell
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  service. Since all these scanners run off
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  of a cell towers. Oh, that's that's what they put
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  the transponders in the trucks. Remember,
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  I thought that was for VMF purposes only. I
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  don't have a transponder in my truck. That's
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  why you're getting the low coverage factor. Yeah,
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  73 % normal and 43 % CVU was my coverage factor this
• 22:23
  time around. I got 88%. First
• 22:27
  time I got 98%. Second time I got 80%. And
• 22:30
  this time I got 88%. I'm 96 and 92. Show
• 22:34
  off. All right, so speaking of
• 22:41
  leadership, not doing what they need to do and
• 22:45
  protecting the craft, Sunday, Amazon, I got a
• 22:49
  couple of topics and that right now. The
• 22:52
  first one I have is more Sunday, Amazon changes, more
• 22:56
  officers are going to the 10am start time. And
• 22:59
  the other interesting aspect is the clerks are starting
• 23:03
  later too. I thought it was supposed to
• 23:06
  be that you come in at 10am, everything's up. You
• 23:09
  grab your cart, you go load your truck, you get
• 23:11
  the heck out of there within 15 minutes is what
• 23:14
  management wanted. But no, I've heard reports that
• 23:17
  they're going into these offices and the clerks are
• 23:18
  still sorting parcels. They're
• 23:20
  having to help the clerks or parcels. And
• 23:23
  it's a it's a foobar all the way up through the
• 23:27
  through the whole system. And
• 23:28
  then carriers are out later, 6 .15, 7 .00, 8 .00
• 23:32
  o 'clock at night, getting out there in the dark.
• 23:34
  It's a safety problem. But
• 23:36
  they're literally just pushing back everybody now,
• 23:39
  including the clerks. When is our leadership going to
• 23:42
  step up a file of step four on this for safety?
• 23:45
  They're not going to. Well,
• 23:47
  I'm trying. We know they listen. So
• 23:50
  I was hoping we'd we'd hit them into it. I'll
• 23:55
  ask a critical question. What
• 23:57
  makes you think they care? Exactly.
• 24:00
  I said, they're not going to. They
• 24:02
  they, you know, this is one of those things where
• 24:04
  management made this call and they're just gonna be
• 24:06
  like, yeah, all right, whatever. Meanwhile,
• 24:09
  I saw I saw a video earlier today, somebody's
• 24:14
  second time out on Amazon Sunday and the truck caught
• 24:16
  on fire. Yep, just saw that one to
• 24:18
  myself. Yeah, yeah, burn to the ground.
• 24:21
  Yeah, burn to the ground. There
• 24:22
  was absolutely nothing left with the frame, a little
• 24:25
  bit of aluminum and the the wheels and the engine
• 24:30
  block. That was it. That
• 24:31
  was what was left. It'll be back on the road next
• 24:34
  week. Yeah. But did you scan everything
• 24:36
  before it caught on fire? You
• 24:38
  know, no, sorry, I'm going to make sure everything is
• 24:41
  off. Yep, I'm going to make sure
• 24:44
  that myself gets out safely. I'm
• 24:46
  not going to go back in there to a vehicle fire
• 24:49
  and get out everything that I can or scan it or
• 24:52
  whatever. No, that's that's that's
• 24:55
  dangerous. That's not safe. I
• 24:57
  mean, these things could explode. I'm
• 24:59
  getting my ass out of my lunch bag, so I can sit
• 25:02
  there and watch it burn while I have something to
• 25:04
  eat. You know, I call 911 to let
• 25:06
  them know I got a vehicle fire. That'd
• 25:08
  be about it. Wait, oh wait, got to call the
• 25:10
  supervisor if there's even one available to contact on
• 25:13
  a Sunday. And just hope Amazon didn't
• 25:15
  send anything flammable or in there as well. Battery.
• 25:20
  Oh yeah. More fun. All
• 25:21
  right. And the next topic on that,
• 25:26
  the Sunday work rotation. When
• 25:29
  there aren't enough to rotate, subs are working
• 25:32
  seven days a week because there aren't enough people
• 25:35
  to cover routes during the week as well. How
• 25:39
  can they manage to get some time off for
• 25:42
  themselves and stuff like that when management is
• 25:45
  turning around and just basically abusing them? We
• 25:47
  know that we as the presenters here know that
• 25:50
  contractually there is no obligation for management to
• 25:53
  give RCAs any days off. But
• 25:56
  how do we deal with the Sunday work rotation? Yeah,
• 26:01
  if you don't have enough people to rotate, I'm going
• 26:04
  to say that's where your 3971 comes into effect and
• 26:08
  hope that they allow you to have it off. Or
• 26:13
  there's other options of getting the day off that
• 26:15
  I'm not going to endorse. But
• 26:18
  yeah, it sucks. Yeah, as an RCA, unfortunately,
• 26:25
  management has the right to mismanage, to use and abuse
• 26:29
  you in any way, shape or form they can if they need
• 26:32
  to. And I know it sounds terrible
• 26:36
  the way I'm saying it, but that's unfortunately the
• 26:40
  contract is written. Yes, that's gospel there. Yes.
• 26:45
  And the fact is there are districts out there that
• 26:49
  say that RCAs can only work six days and have to
• 26:53
  have a day off. Some say that they can only
• 26:56
  work 13 days and have a day off. But
• 26:59
  that is a district rule. It
• 27:01
  is not contractual. And if you want to work that
• 27:04
  day that they want to force you off, you can
• 27:06
  file agreements on it because it's in the
• 27:08
  contract that you are not required to have a day
• 27:11
  off. And if you are a Designation
• 27:15
  74 or a Designation 79, they cannot pull you off
• 27:20
  your route one day so that they can have you work on
• 27:23
  Sunday. They can't do that. Yep.
• 27:26
  And we just had it posted in the live stage chat.
• 27:31
  And if you're listening to us
• 27:33
  on the podcast forums, we do have a live stage where
• 27:39
  we do these recordings on our Discord server. So
• 27:42
  if you're not in our Discord server, why not
• 27:44
  join us on here? Hashtag shameless plug. I
• 27:49
  know Discord has been doing some updates on their apps.
• 27:52
  So definitely those that are
• 27:54
  having issues hearing us, I would definitely try and
• 27:58
  maybe see if your update is needed or what not. I
• 28:01
  know my computer updated both last weekend and this
• 28:04
  week when I logged in. So I haven't tried to update
• 28:07
  on my phone, but I use my computer on Sundays. I've
• 28:11
  heard iPhone users have been having problems with
• 28:13
  it. Another reason to have an Android.
• 28:17
  Famous plug. That's
• 28:22
  the thing is with Sundays in RCAs, as you really are
• 28:26
  left at the mercy of the post office. You
• 28:28
  really are. I've been there. I
• 28:31
  have been there. We all have to a point. And
• 28:34
  here's the situation where this is where an office
• 28:38
  has to work together in regards to looking out for
• 28:42
  the subs. My sub had a funeral to
• 28:44
  attend and couldn't get off. And
• 28:48
  I made myself available to work my drop -dice that she
• 28:51
  get off. Then the following week turned
• 28:55
  around and they had a bit of a medical situation.
• 28:59
  Again, I was available. It
• 29:02
  was a day that I was scheduled to have a
• 29:04
  examination. It was done at eight o 'clock
• 29:08
  in the morning. So I explained to the
• 29:10
  supervisor, I'll be available after nine, nine
• 29:13
  a .m. if you need me to be. And
• 29:15
  nine, nine a .m. came and went nothing. And
• 29:18
  I started on my way home from the doctors and got a
• 29:21
  phone call and said, Oh, can you come in? Sure.
• 29:24
  I'll come in and what's done on my route? Nothing.
• 29:29
  We had nobody planned for it. But
• 29:32
  the thing of it was that the next day, I would have
• 29:35
  been in anyway. So if I didn't come in, I'd
• 29:38
  have been just screwing myself. But
• 29:40
  work with your subs in regards to getting them
• 29:43
  time off. Offer to come in if it's
• 29:47
  available to you on your top day. Help
• 29:50
  them out. I mean, they appreciate it.
• 29:55
  Good subs do. Some
• 29:57
  don't. But I like the air on the
• 29:59
  better side of my judgment and just say, If I can
• 30:03
  help you out, I'll help you out. Oh,
• 30:05
  yeah. I've told myself that many
• 30:07
  times, Hey, if you ever need a Saturday off, a
• 30:10
  weekend off or whatever, something going on,
• 30:13
  something come up, just let me know ahead of time.
• 30:16
  That way, if it's, you know,
• 30:17
  it's got something that going on that I don't have
• 30:19
  anything going on and you just really need a Saturday
• 30:22
  off or got something going on or something else came
• 30:26
  up, you know, let me know. I
• 30:28
  have no problems doing that, you know, it's it's
• 30:32
  when I the only issue I have is when, you know, a
• 30:35
  carrier doesn't have a sub that likes to take every
• 30:37
  weekend off throughout the entire summer is begging to
• 30:40
  have it off. And the supervisor tells you
• 30:42
  no, because nobody's willing to give up their J or K
• 30:46
  day. And then in fact, protects
• 30:49
  their K day with an X day previous to it. So
• 30:51
  they can't steal their sub. Um,
• 30:55
  might happen this weekend. You
• 30:58
  know, it you work with your subs, you know, I
• 31:00
  have no problems if my subs said, Hey, I want to
• 31:03
  have this Saturday off. I could, you know, my mom's
• 31:05
  coming up to visit or I got my kid or I'm going
• 31:09
  into this kickass concert or something like that. You
• 31:13
  know, buddy of mine wants me to go camping. All
• 31:15
  right, you know, I ain't got nothing going on this
• 31:17
  weekend. Sure. Why not bother me one bit?
• 31:20
  Yeah, work with your subs.
• 31:22
  They'll definitely have each other's
• 31:25
  backs. Yeah, I felt bad. My
• 31:27
  sub asked me one day if I could work that Saturday
• 31:29
  for him. And I'm like, I already have
• 31:31
  something planned that Saturday. I
• 31:34
  think it was the booster was planned that weekend.
• 31:38
  And he was like, my brother's
• 31:39
  coming up, I want to spend time with him. And
• 31:41
  I'm like, dude, I wish I could. You
• 31:43
  know, if it was last week, I would have done it. But
• 31:45
  this Saturday, I've got union stuff I've got to go
• 31:48
  to. So I'm sorry, man, but I
• 31:51
  can't cover it made me feel really bad because I
• 31:53
  love helping out my subs as best as I can. I
• 31:56
  try not to leave them stuff to deal with on
• 31:59
  Saturday. I tried to manage the fuel
• 32:02
  in the truck to try and get it so that way they
• 32:04
  don't have to fuel the truck on Saturday. It
• 32:06
  was a lot better when we had Amazon Sunday because
• 32:08
  they had to fuel the truck on Sunday. Anyway,
• 32:10
  that's how you take care of them. You
• 32:12
  know, you try to make sure that everything's set up
• 32:14
  the way that you would want it set up if you
• 32:17
  were a sub, you know, try to take care of them
• 32:20
  because I'll take care of you. I,
• 32:22
  you know, when I first started, I had an awesome
• 32:24
  regular who took care of me tremendously, got up to
• 32:28
  Linda. And, you know, and I did I
• 32:30
  learned a lot, you know, and I'm the same way with
• 32:32
  my sub, you know, if you need the time, let me know
• 32:34
  ahead of time. Ain't got nothing going on. No
• 32:36
  problem. I'll work it, whatever. Just
• 32:38
  remember, you may be working the following
• 32:40
  Monday. I'll have no problems. Dacca
• 32:42
  are in it, but just prepared it may not be the
• 32:45
  day that you want me to take off. But,
• 32:50
  you know, it's yeah, you got to take care of them.
• 32:54
  You really do. As
• 32:55
  being a sub who was both taken care of and ran
• 32:58
  ragged, it really it helps if you take care of your
• 33:01
  subs. It really does. Speaking
• 33:04
  of subs, ARCS, RCA's and Union membership. This
• 33:10
  one actually came up to me this past week. The
• 33:14
  protections of the contract for ARCS and RCA's. I
• 33:19
  wanted to get into this discussion because the two
• 33:22
  biggest caveats for ARCS and RCA's, especially ARCS,
• 33:26
  is the 90 -day or one -year provision for their
• 33:31
  probationary period. Both RCA's and ARCS fall under
• 33:36
  that 90 working days. It's not calendar days, it's
• 33:39
  working days, the days you've worked before
• 33:42
  management cannot terminate you without just cause.
• 33:49
  Now, the issue is ARCS usually
• 33:52
  only get Sundays, maybe Saturdays, unless they're
• 33:56
  running parcels all week. And
• 33:58
  holidays. And holidays. So,
• 34:01
  it's very hard for them to reach those 90 working
• 34:05
  days. So, they literally have to go
• 34:07
  a whole year before they actually, quote -unquote,
• 34:10
  fully protected by the Union. But
• 34:13
  the issue is, are they protected by the Union
• 34:17
  prior to that probationary period ending? Yes,
• 34:23
  they are, with the exception of termination
• 34:27
  during the probationary period. And
• 34:30
  any steward who tells an RCA or an ARC that they
• 34:34
  have no protection whatsoever in their
• 34:36
  probationary period is wrong. They
• 34:39
  are protected with the exception of termination.
• 34:44
  That is the only thing an RCA
• 34:46
  or an ARC cannot grieve in their probationary time is
• 34:51
  termination. Anything else, you definitely, and
• 34:55
  if you request a Union steward and management
• 34:58
  denies you, that is a no -no as well. I
• 35:02
  can't believe there are still stewards out there
• 35:06
  that want to believe that an RCA in their
• 35:09
  probationary time does not get Union protection at
• 35:13
  all. I'm going to correct you there,
• 35:15
  young lady. There are area stewards, part
• 35:19
  -time ADRs, full -time ADRs, and at least two DRs that
• 35:23
  I know of that don't understand that. Their
• 35:28
  blanket explanation is anybody under their 90
• 35:32
  working days probation is not entitled to Union
• 35:37
  representation. Which contractually is incorrect.
• 35:41
  I'm part of the National Labor
• 35:42
  Relations Board is incorrect. And
• 35:44
  I said, if you're paying dues, you're afforded
• 35:48
  protection. You're taking money out of their
• 35:50
  paychecks. They get protection. And
• 35:53
  I'm going to give you the argument that those stewards
• 35:58
  are trying to make in that instance is that, yeah, we
• 36:02
  can file a grievance out of a management that's just
• 36:03
  going to fire you for it. That's
• 36:05
  a threat, intimidation, toxic work environment,
• 36:09
  hostile work environment. Retaliation.
• 36:12
  Yes. Now, if you have a good steward
• 36:16
  to fight that grievance for you and then management
• 36:20
  fires you on behalf of that, they could get you
• 36:23
  your job back, even though you've been fired under
• 36:26
  your probationary period under the reason of
• 36:30
  retaliation, under the whistleblower act. It's
• 36:35
  not unheard of. But yeah, I mean, in that
• 36:38
  instance, though, as RCA's arcs in your probationary
• 36:43
  period, termination is the only thing that you don't
• 36:46
  have union backing on anything else. And
• 36:49
  if you're getting pulled in for an I &I, or anything
• 36:53
  like that, and you request union representation, you
• 36:56
  are supposed to get it right up through the
• 36:59
  disciplinary procedure. And if that disciplinary
• 37:01
  procedure was termination, unfortunately, contractually,
• 37:04
  you cannot grieve it within your probationary period.
• 37:07
  But anything else you can. And
• 37:09
  that is the biggest issue with the NSS right now is
• 37:13
  not all of the steward system is on point with
• 37:17
  that. After that, I also wanted to put
• 37:20
  in that I did put a resolution in that our
• 37:22
  stewards be able to file grievances on behalf of
• 37:25
  carriers like every other craft out there for this
• 37:28
  very reason. Because if the steward witnesses it
• 37:33
  and grieves on it, the steward is the one fighting
• 37:36
  for that, not the carrier. The
• 37:38
  carrier is not responsible. The
• 37:39
  carrier should not be retaliated against for it.
• 37:42
  Protect the protect the craft as
• 37:45
  the steward. And I do agree with you to a
• 37:49
  point. If you have an instance to
• 37:52
  where, you know, they want to file grievance, but
• 37:55
  they're afraid of the retaliation. And
• 37:57
  that's why they do not do it. But
• 38:00
  if they want a grievance filed on their behalf, yes,
• 38:04
  a steward should be able to file on behalf of that
• 38:07
  carrier, if that's what they want. If
• 38:09
  that carrier does not want a grievance filed, then the
• 38:12
  steward needs to back down. See
• 38:14
  it and but with that aspect, the carrier wants
• 38:18
  the grievance filed, the management would still know
• 38:20
  that the carrier was the one that filed the
• 38:22
  grievance, even if the steward stepped up and
• 38:24
  filed the grievance on behalf of the carrier. I
• 38:27
  mean, I can see your point, though, if it's a
• 38:29
  blatant contractual disregard by management against a
• 38:35
  carrier against multiple carriers in the office or
• 38:38
  whatever it is, and it is witnessed by a steward,
• 38:41
  yes, I do believe the steward should should be
• 38:43
  able to file a grievance right then and there. You
• 38:47
  know, as a witness to that blatant disregard and
• 38:52
  breaking of the contract. I completely agree with that.
• 38:55
  But I think when it comes to
• 38:56
  individual stuff, if if somebody does not want to,
• 39:01
  then that steward should not file that grievance on
• 39:04
  their behalf, if that's not what the carrier wanted.
• 39:07
  Yes. Now, let's play this
• 39:08
  scenario out. Okay. An RCA under 90 days runs
• 39:13
  into a situation in the office, steward witnesses
• 39:16
  it, and under the pretext of conditions that James
• 39:20
  sets forth, the steward files the grievance on
• 39:23
  behalf of the of the RCA. Now,
• 39:26
  management comes back and caliates against the RCA.
• 39:29
  Well, you have dual protection
• 39:31
  there because the RCA did not file that grievance.
• 39:34
  The steward did. So
• 39:36
  that's an obvious retaliatory attack on that
• 39:40
  individual, knowing full well that the steward was
• 39:43
  responsible for filing it as they witness the
• 39:47
  violation. It's cut dry. I'm
• 39:51
  the steward I filed on behalf of this individual
• 39:53
  because I saw the violation. They
• 39:56
  didn't ask me to they didn't they didn't ask me
• 39:58
  not to. But because it is a contractual
• 40:01
  violation that I observed, I'm filing it. Therefore,
• 40:05
  any type of action taken against that carrier has to
• 40:08
  be seen as blatantly retaliatory because of the
• 40:11
  fact that you can't go after the steward. I
• 40:14
  do see your point there. Yes.
• 40:15
  I think if you witness blatant, you know, a
• 40:18
  violation of the contract, you witness it, eyes, ears,
• 40:22
  you're standing right there when it happens. I,
• 40:25
  you know, there are many times where I've seen that
• 40:27
  where I wish I just could have filed for people or
• 40:29
  just filed in general for the office plenty of times.
• 40:32
  But, you know, it just you just
• 40:34
  kind of have to turn around and go back to what
• 40:36
  you're doing. Well, in my case, I usually shut
• 40:39
  the manager down and told her, well, this will lead
• 40:41
  to a grievance. And her whole thing, well, you
• 40:43
  can grieve anything. Yeah, but you won't win this
• 40:45
  one. Not usually shut her up. But
• 40:47
  I would threaten it. I just, you know, obviously I
• 40:51
  couldn't do it. Now, since we're talking about
• 40:55
  grievances, let me bring you up a past occurrence
• 40:58
  this week. Two carriers in my office who
• 41:01
  are now regulators, while RCA's were instructed to
• 41:06
  delivery parcel on the city route. At
• 41:08
  the time I filed a class action on behalf of four
• 41:10
  of them, two of left the post office. These
• 41:13
  two just got a letter of settlement from our new DR
• 41:17
  in regards to what they were settling. They
• 41:20
  were settling for half the money because technically it
• 41:22
  was untimely. The grievance was from four
• 41:25
  years ago. That's what the past ADR and DR
• 41:30
  have been sitting on grievances from four years
• 41:33
  ago that have been sitting at step two. And
• 41:37
  that's why we need a new director of steward
• 41:40
  operations to take charge, put some teeth into these
• 41:44
  people and make sure they're out there doing
• 41:47
  their damn jobs every day. Right,
• 41:49
  James? James has plugged. I
• 41:51
  agree with that completely. We
• 41:53
  need somebody who's going to sit there and get these
• 41:56
  DRs and ADRs the help they need to get this stuff
• 42:01
  done. We need somebody to get on
• 42:04
  management to get it done. We
• 42:07
  need somebody who can help with getting our carriers
• 42:12
  taken care of, getting the face of the union fighting
• 42:16
  force, our steward system, in front of carriers who've
• 42:20
  probably never met their steward before. And
• 42:23
  on top of that, we need a full training regimen
• 42:27
  through the academy systems and through our on -the -job
• 42:32
  training people to help educate the carriers on the
• 42:36
  contract and REX and all that stuff through the vice
• 42:40
  president's position, hashtag shameless plug, Kristen. I
• 42:45
  have to agree with you on that one, but yeah, no,
• 42:47
  yeah. And I do as I'm training as
• 42:49
  an on -the -job trainer. I really do kind of
• 42:52
  incorporate, you know, the REX stuff as we're doing
• 42:55
  it, why we're doing it. And,
• 42:58
  you know, when it comes to contractual stuff, if they
• 43:01
  have questions on what they can or can't do, I am
• 43:04
  more than happy to answer it for them. But
• 43:06
  I agree. We should have something more,
• 43:10
  oh, what's the word I'm looking for, guys?
• 43:14
  Substantive? Yeah, substantive, you know,
• 43:17
  and across the board for everybody. You
• 43:19
  know, I, you know, yes, everybody gets a P603 or
• 43:23
  there should be one at every case and every, you
• 43:25
  know, but why can't everybody get a copy of
• 43:28
  the contract as well? Why can't, you know, the little
• 43:32
  things of, hey, you know, I understand it's a lot of
• 43:36
  reading, but here these sections highlight out your
• 43:40
  position as an RCA. You know, please read them,
• 43:43
  please understand your rights, responsibilities, and
• 43:47
  any questions, please, you know, ask, you know, or
• 43:51
  even an outline guide of, all right, in the contract,
• 43:54
  these are the ones that, you know, specifically are
• 43:57
  outlined for RCA's or ARCs or PTFs, whatever the
• 44:02
  position may be. And then we need a president
• 44:04
  to put management in line following the contract.
• 44:09
  Shameless plug, Bill. No
• 44:11
  shame, shame here. I'll be glad to bite off a
• 44:14
  couple heads, you know. I, I, I, I, ladies and
• 44:20
  gentlemen, I am so sick and tired of all the
• 44:23
  social media posts that I read, some of the things
• 44:28
  that I hear in my own office, but, you know,
• 44:30
  that's germane to the situation because of the
• 44:33
  individual, but it's relevant because it's across
• 44:38
  the country in regards to the environment that we
• 44:41
  work in, to, in regards to the inexperienced management
• 44:46
  who are in fear of their own jobs from their
• 44:49
  postmasters and from their district managers, their
• 44:52
  prooms, and, and whoever else, you know, tells them
• 44:56
  what to do. We have a district
• 44:58
  representative in our office right now with a USPS
• 45:02
  government vehicle, comes to our office every day, and
• 45:06
  she's in charge of, you know, edit books. Okay.
• 45:10
  What else do you do? That's
• 45:12
  it. Well, you're just plugging bodies
• 45:15
  in there to make them, you know, loyalty in for
• 45:18
  support at the district level, but she doesn't know
• 45:21
  anything better, any more or better than our current
• 45:24
  supervisor. And everybody in the other
• 45:27
  positions of our management at Westchester, all our
• 45:32
  city carrier oriented supervisors who were
• 45:36
  previously clerks with no delivery experience, but
• 45:40
  they're going to sit there and they're going to use
• 45:41
  their calculator of how many addresses you can do
• 45:45
  based on volume of flats and letters and parcels on
• 45:48
  the city routes because most of our city routes
• 45:51
  aren't eight hour routes. We
• 45:53
  have an average of 14 vacant routes a day that
• 45:56
  are used to fill in for the hours needed to get
• 45:59
  the city carriers eight hours. And
• 46:01
  these people over calculate, calculate, and I turn
• 46:06
  around and say, hold it, you gave me a four hour
• 46:08
  piece, and I have a seven hour route, the
• 46:11
  inadequacies, the inexperience, the blatant
• 46:14
  impidity that is displayed every day in my office,
• 46:19
  I'm sure compounded across the country. And
• 46:23
  that's one of the things we have to do. We
• 46:24
  have to get the post office on board in line
• 46:28
  and tell in the contract every damn day in every
• 46:32
  office across the country. If
• 46:35
  you want to help support these candidates, we need
• 46:38
  your help. Not only do we have the
• 46:41
  shameless plug merch store with our t -shirts and
• 46:46
  other supplies for the podcast on it, but we need
• 46:50
  your help too. We need you to get the voice
• 46:52
  out there. We need you to get the
• 46:53
  podcast out there. We'll need your help at National
• 46:57
  Convention. We're setting up for all of us
• 47:00
  to be at National Convention in August and
• 47:03
  Reno. And if you're going to be at
• 47:05
  Reno, we're going to look for you to help us. We
• 47:09
  need people to walk with us at caucus. We
• 47:12
  need people to help show us everybody who we are.
• 47:16
  We can't do this alone. I
• 47:17
  tried that last year. I got 124 votes in a three
• 47:21
  day campaign, which was really good for somebody
• 47:23
  who didn't know anything about how he was doing it.
• 47:27
  I had help in the form of
• 47:30
  everybody here on the podcast. And
• 47:32
  I'm asking for the entire podcast audience for their
• 47:36
  help this year to help us help the craft. And
• 47:41
  if you want to help this craft and help us message
• 47:46
  us, all of us are available. Not
• 47:49
  only do we take your questions, but we'll take
• 47:51
  your help too. And the other thing of the
• 47:54
  situation is that we're not going for these positions
• 47:58
  to help ourselves. These are positions of
• 48:02
  responsibility that we take seriously in regards to
• 48:05
  elevating our craft and protecting and educating our
• 48:09
  fellow brothers and sisters. And
• 48:11
  we're not going to be a panel of nine like the
• 48:15
  current National Board. We're
• 48:16
  going to be a panel of 100 ,000 plus because every
• 48:20
  one of you need to contribute to us things
• 48:25
  that have to be addressed every day across the
• 48:28
  country. We can't do it alone. You're
• 48:31
  your eyes and ears on the ground. And
• 48:34
  when you bring up a situation, we'll get it
• 48:37
  addressed. We won't sit there and say,
• 48:39
  oh, you have to go through this next. We'll
• 48:41
  put the people in place to address the situation that
• 48:45
  is, you know, bothering you. That
• 48:47
  is a contractual violation that you feel threatened
• 48:49
  by. We will react to what your
• 48:53
  needs are because guess what? The
• 48:55
  only reason for the National Board to exist
• 48:58
  outside of contract negotiation is to represent
• 49:02
  the craft, the entire craft, every single person
• 49:06
  in the union and even the non -union ones when it
• 49:10
  comes to disciplinary issues or contractual issues. We're
• 49:14
  there for everybody. We are there for everybody on
• 49:17
  that now. Go ahead, James. What's
• 49:22
  the second? All right. Second
• 49:24
  trips. This has come up also. This
• 49:28
  is dealing with clerks who obviously don't know how to
• 49:31
  operate the pass machine to put packages they scan in
• 49:35
  the afternoon on the next day or express mail or
• 49:41
  packages that were missorted that management didn't
• 49:44
  bother to figure out a way to get it delivered and
• 49:47
  they say you have to go back out and deliver it.
• 49:50
  Would you like to go over second
• 49:52
  trip language for carriers there, Kristen? Yes.
• 49:57
  There is a spot in the F21 time in attendance
• 50:01
  manual. There is also, and I'll get to
• 50:03
  that in just a moment, there is also a step four
• 50:07
  from 2005. And I'm going to read this
• 50:10
  real quick because this kind of the second pair or
• 50:13
  the first paragraph kind of covers a lot of things
• 50:16
  that we've been seeing. There's
• 50:18
  a party's recently met in pre -arbitration discussion
• 50:20
  regarding the above reference case. The
• 50:23
  issue in this case concerns the compensation to rural
• 50:26
  carriers when being required to make deliveries after
• 50:30
  returning from the standard street duties, including but
• 50:34
  not limited to express mail, priority mail, or
• 50:39
  missorted mail available for delivery after the carrier
• 50:43
  originally left for the street. The
• 50:45
  parties agree that regular rural carriers and leave
• 50:48
  replacements, when a leave replacement is compensated
• 50:51
  based on the evaluation of the regular or auxiliary
• 50:53
  route served and when actual work hours do not
• 50:56
  exceed 40 hours per week, will be compensated and
• 51:04
  this is the final result of the process. The
• 51:06
  final result is a new mail for each mile involved in
• 51:07
  the additional trip and for actual loading time, which
• 51:10
  again has changed since 2005. It's
• 51:12
  now done under the start load and load under REX.
• 51:15
  At the carrier's straight time
• 51:17
  rate, which is Article 8 .3 .A, when being instructed to
• 51:22
  make additional deliveries after returning to the
• 51:25
  office because of mail received after the carrier
• 51:28
  originally left for the streets. In
• 51:30
  addition, if the carrier is using his or her personal
• 51:33
  vehicle, the carrier will receive EMA allowance for
• 51:37
  each mile over 40 miles for the day that the
• 51:40
  carrier is required to drive to complete his or
• 51:43
  her route, including the additional trip. An
• 51:46
  additional trip performed by a regular carrier or
• 51:49
  substitute rural carrier designation 72, which I
• 51:52
  think we only have a handful of those left,
• 51:54
  during the Christmas period will not be compensable,
• 51:58
  but the carrier will receive additional EMAs
• 52:01
  described above. However, a regular rural carrier or
• 52:03
  substitute carrier may be entitled to Christmas
• 52:06
  overtime in the accordance with Article 9 .2 .K of the
• 52:10
  National Agreement, with the exception of the substitute
• 52:13
  rural carrier leave replacements when
• 52:15
  compensation is based on the evaluation of the
• 52:17
  regular auxiliary route served and when actual work
• 52:20
  hours do not exceed 40 hours per week, will be
• 52:23
  compensated for performing an additional trip during
• 52:25
  Christmas period is prescribed above. The
• 52:28
  big thing is lately has been the missorted parcels,
• 52:33
  some instances of express, and the ones that the
• 52:38
  clerks forget to change the date on, and so now
• 52:41
  they're out for delivery the same day. That's
• 52:44
  included in that management has every right to say
• 52:47
  they want you to take out and deliver that. As
• 52:51
  a second trip, they are supposed to then compensate
• 52:55
  you at the three minutes per mile and the additional
• 53:00
  EMA if you're over 40 miles for the day, which
• 53:04
  it does include your normal route mileage. So
• 53:06
  if your route obviously is 60 -90 miles, you're
• 53:10
  automatically going to get the additional EMA. But
• 53:12
  yes, it is a management's call on second trips. When
• 53:16
  management authorizes or requires a carrier, and
• 53:18
  this is from the F21 563 .3 second trip rate, an
• 53:25
  additional trip is when management authorizes or
• 53:28
  requires a carrier to make deliveries after returning
• 53:31
  from their standard street duties. So
• 53:34
  yeah, it's management is requiring you to go out
• 53:37
  there, then they got to pay you the second trip
• 53:39
  rate for doing it. It's not a oops they messed up,
• 53:43
  we would you know would you please go do this,
• 53:45
  it's you're coming back in and they're saying yeah the
• 53:48
  clerks messed up you have to do this. It's
• 53:51
  on manage it second trips are completely management's
• 53:53
  call from start to finish regardless if it's something
• 53:57
  that you can't fit into your vehicle or it's stuff
• 53:59
  that was misthrown or came in late or the clerks
• 54:03
  sorted it under the wrong dispatch date. They
• 54:06
  require you to go then they got to pay you for
• 54:09
  it. Now under carrier discretion
• 54:11
  article 2 .1 .b f if management requires you to
• 54:17
  go out on second trips and with the present MOU in
• 54:23
  operation in regards to assisting other routes, you
• 54:27
  can make a deal to take anything for a adjacent
• 54:32
  route out with you and be paid at time and a half
• 54:35
  for assisting on that route while delivering your
• 54:40
  parcel. Carried discretion though. Yeah
• 54:43
  in the end game though with a lot of the
• 54:45
  questions is management has that call on those second
• 54:48
  trips regardless. So if you get back in and
• 54:51
  they say well they messed up these need to be
• 54:54
  delivered and they're requiring you to do it,
• 54:56
  that's completely a management's call to require
• 54:58
  you to deliver it and they must compensate you at the
• 55:01
  second trip rate unless you are delivering and assisting
• 55:04
  with another route then that obviously is your time
• 55:07
  and a half rate for a route that is not yours
• 55:09
  and if you are in RCA and you're out delivering for
• 55:14
  an adjacent route that is green card time. Great
• 55:16
  time unless you're over the 40 hours. You
• 55:19
  mean if I'm a regular I can't throw the keys to
• 55:21
  them and say here's the line of travel? I
• 55:24
  mean that's completely a carrier discretion and you
• 55:30
  may want to contact your designated union rep after
• 55:34
  that in case of any discipline that comes out
• 55:37
  of that but I'm going to leave that one completely
• 55:44
  up to carrier discretion and please contact your
• 55:47
  union rep if you do that and they may tell you yeah
• 55:49
  you should not have done that. Oh
• 55:53
  it was Bill don't worry about it. So
• 55:57
  yes management can require you to go back out after
• 56:02
  you're done because the clerk's messed up. Fine
• 56:05
  and simple. Alright. Speaking of bad management
• 56:09
  you know we talked about this in the winter time
• 56:13
  but it seems to be coming up again in the summertime
• 56:17
  and that is weather related issues. Now
• 56:22
  I've been reached out to by somebody who's had to
• 56:26
  call off because they had issues at their house due
• 56:30
  to weather and management was telling them you either
• 56:34
  show up or you're getting written up when they're
• 56:37
  trying to deal with an emergency at home. So
• 56:41
  I wanted to go over what is the carrier's
• 56:45
  responsibility, what is management's responsibility
• 56:47
  under act of God, stuff like that and what is a
• 56:51
  carrier's plan in severe weather because we're coming
• 56:55
  into severe weather season. We've
• 56:56
  had tornadoes, we've had lots of large hail, we've
• 57:00
  had flooding, we've had rivers flowing in opposite
• 57:03
  directions due to the winds. Well
• 57:05
  you know even management can't control an active gun
• 57:08
  and if you're going to come into a situation where
• 57:13
  your personal property is damaged you have to call
• 57:16
  out. I would photograph everything
• 57:19
  you know not only for the insurance company but for
• 57:21
  the post office and if they want to turn around
• 57:25
  and give you a PDI and INI whatever you know
• 57:28
  people are calling it nowadays make sure that you
• 57:30
  have union representation and that comes under an
• 57:34
  act of God. Nobody can control that. I
• 57:36
  mean the post office has a system in place for for
• 57:41
  severe weather and we've had that in regards to
• 57:45
  snow storms, flooding, hurricanes on the eastern
• 57:49
  seaboard that the post office does cancel it. So
• 57:52
  if they have the ability to do that on their own
• 57:56
  then they have to accept the responsibility of taking
• 57:59
  our word with you know evidence of course that we
• 58:03
  have an act of God that has affected us. You're
• 58:06
  talking about the rain and the winds and everything.
• 58:09
  How many trees have gone down?
• 58:11
  How many trees have taken power
• 58:13
  lines down? I mean these are all things
• 58:16
  beyond our control. These are all acts of God and
• 58:20
  anytime you know we had a situation in Westchester and
• 58:24
  this one guy lives at the end of the cul -de -sac at
• 58:27
  the bottom of the hill at the end of the cul -de -sac
• 58:30
  every time there's more than an inch of rain his
• 58:33
  basement floods and it falls under an act of God
• 58:36
  and every time he gets the allocated time to take off
• 58:40
  because of the fact that he's proven it time and
• 58:43
  time again. So if you can prove that you
• 58:47
  should be able to get off. If
• 58:49
  you don't then let them go through the process because
• 58:53
  they have no ability, they have no grounds to
• 58:56
  discipline you for something outside of your control.
• 58:59
  Yeah and we heard all the
• 59:01
  stories in the winter time you know Buffalo where they
• 59:04
  sent carriers out when it was a blizzard and it was
• 59:07
  getting deep snow out there and people died in the
• 59:10
  snowstorm. People are gonna possibly die in
• 59:14
  tornadoes or floods and stuff like that. Don't
• 59:18
  ever risk your life for the mail. For
• 59:22
  management you're just a number. They'll
• 59:24
  have your position advertised within the week
• 59:28
  after you're gone. You're important to your family,
• 59:32
  your property is important to you. Make
• 59:34
  sure you take care of yourself first because if
• 59:37
  you don't take care of yourself how can you take
• 59:39
  care of the job? The job is less important than
• 59:42
  your family, your life and your property. The
• 59:46
  job provides you with the property but. And
• 59:49
  the thing of it is James is that you know how well
• 59:52
  do you operate you know driving along a rural route
• 59:55
  knowing you got to go home and you put a tarp over
• 59:58
  the corner of the roof because you know shingles
• 1:00:00
  blew off, siding peeled off or you know the basements
• 1:00:04
  flooded. I mean you know that puts
• 1:00:06
  the extra stress on people to the point where that's
• 1:00:09
  when they make mistakes and have access. Take
• 1:00:11
  care of yourself first period. I
• 1:00:14
  don't give a rat's ass about the post office when
• 1:00:18
  it comes to my family and providing shelter for them
• 1:00:22
  and food and everything else. My
• 1:00:24
  family comes first and if they don't like it okay
• 1:00:27
  they can kiss my Irish ass. Amen
• 1:00:30
  to that. Amen to that definitely. No
• 1:00:33
  my family definitely comes first and you know even if
• 1:00:37
  things were changed right up to the beginning of
• 1:00:40
  national convention and my daughter then changes their
• 1:00:43
  mind and says no mom I want you home. You
• 1:00:46
  know what guys I'm going to be home for my
• 1:00:48
  daughter. Yes but you know what my
• 1:00:51
  family comes first and so yeah definitely you can't
• 1:00:56
  you can't do your job if you're sidetracked mentally
• 1:01:01
  by the stuff that's going on at home. You're
• 1:01:05
  not going to safely work and safely be delivering on
• 1:01:09
  the side of the road delivering mail if you have
• 1:01:12
  150 other items that you got to take care of as
• 1:01:16
  soon as you get home and those things are crossing
• 1:01:17
  your mind constantly. Your safety is number one, your
• 1:01:22
  family is number one and so you know management has
• 1:01:28
  to they have taken the humanity out of it
• 1:01:31
  completely at this point in time and it's that's why
• 1:01:36
  we have carriers leaving. That's
• 1:01:38
  why regular carriers you know that's why our CAs
• 1:01:41
  aren't sticking around is because management has to
• 1:01:44
  completely take in the humanity out of out of the
• 1:01:47
  post office. Amen to that. I
• 1:01:51
  agree it is. Yeah go ahead. It's
• 1:01:55
  the fact that all they're doing is looking at
• 1:01:58
  computers and a computer is a machine and they're
• 1:02:02
  looking at numbers like a machine. They're
• 1:02:05
  no longer coming out and asking you how your
• 1:02:08
  family's doing, how you're dealing with the stuff on
• 1:02:12
  the route, how your customers are treating you.
• 1:02:15
  You know when I was a kid I
• 1:02:18
  actually went to the post office with the neighbor
• 1:02:21
  across the street from my parents who's now retired
• 1:02:24
  rural carrier and actually got to see how the post
• 1:02:29
  office worked when I was a kid. I
• 1:02:32
  was amazed by it. The fact that they have all
• 1:02:36
  these slots to put the letters in now I'm doing
• 1:02:38
  it for real in my career but the postmaster actually
• 1:02:43
  came around and had a conversation with me as a
• 1:02:47
  kid about the post office and talked with my neighbor
• 1:02:52
  across the street while she was doing the the mail and
• 1:02:56
  they had a conversation about that. It
• 1:02:58
  was awesome to see management actually caring
• 1:03:02
  about their carriers. My postmaster does come around
• 1:03:06
  and checks on us, talks with us, takes care of us
• 1:03:08
  and I know that I have a unicorn of a postmaster in
• 1:03:12
  that aspect and I know a lot of offices don't have
• 1:03:16
  that and they say don't bring your work home with
• 1:03:20
  you. Well unfortunately us here on
• 1:03:24
  the podcast we do bring our work home. We
• 1:03:27
  do try to research this stuff. We
• 1:03:30
  do try to learn everything we can about this job away
• 1:03:33
  from the job and yes it does sometimes affect our
• 1:03:36
  family lives. We take the time away from
• 1:03:41
  our family to do this podcast. We
• 1:03:43
  take time away to answer questions from people but
• 1:03:47
  that's also part of being a union. That's
• 1:03:50
  part of being a craft of brother and sisters is you
• 1:03:52
  take care of each other as a family. You
• 1:03:55
  guys are our family. We care about you just like
• 1:03:58
  we care about our family. I
• 1:04:00
  want to read an email that we got earlier this week.
• 1:04:04
  This email almost brought me to
• 1:04:06
  tears and it just it tore at my heartstrings so bad.
• 1:04:12
  It was titled defeated and it
• 1:04:15
  says when I was very young I was in an abusive
• 1:04:19
  relationship. I was degraded, bullied, low
• 1:04:23
  self -esteem and all the things that goes along with
• 1:04:25
  being abused today. Excuse me all the things with all
• 1:04:29
  the things that goes along with being abused. Today
• 1:04:33
  40 years later I find myself feeling the exact
• 1:04:37
  same way but this time is from the Postal Service. I
• 1:04:42
  have been in the Postal Service for 24 years. 17
• 1:04:46
  years is a regular and I am so defeated. I
• 1:04:49
  was hoping to retire at 65 three more years but I
• 1:04:52
  realized I need to get out of this abusive relationship
• 1:04:55
  so I'll be retiring in the fall at 62. I
• 1:04:59
  really hope that you can make changes to the system
• 1:05:01
  that is so broken. Good luck and stay strong
• 1:05:05
  because I no longer have the fight in me. I
• 1:05:07
  am done. Thank you for your time and
• 1:05:09
  effort. That's what we don't want to hear
• 1:05:12
  is that people want to get out because they're abused
• 1:05:16
  so hard by management, by the leadership of the
• 1:05:22
  union, by the way the leadership runs the steward
• 1:05:26
  system that they have no option but to leave to get
• 1:05:32
  out of the abusive relationship that they're in
• 1:05:35
  and the fact that the abusers don't even
• 1:05:41
  acknowledge that they are abusive almost in a
• 1:05:46
  narcissistic type of way that it hurts us to hear
• 1:05:53
  somebody say I've lost the fight here. When
• 1:05:57
  you can relate your career to an abusive personal
• 1:06:03
  relationship that you may have experienced you know
• 1:06:07
  decades ago and now you're feeling the exact same way
• 1:06:11
  that you did with your career that you've been at
• 1:06:15
  for almost half your life. I
• 1:06:19
  mean you know when you have these carriers out
• 1:06:23
  there now that are just up and walking away because
• 1:06:28
  they just they can't do it anymore and you know this
• 1:06:31
  is why and this is why we're here and this is why
• 1:06:35
  we're running for office because this has to stop.
• 1:06:40
  This degrading and bullying by
• 1:06:44
  management needs to stop when you have national
• 1:06:49
  officers that don't do anything to stop the
• 1:06:53
  hostile work environments in the majority of the offices
• 1:06:59
  across the country. This is why we are losing
• 1:07:03
  employees and cannot retain employees. This
• 1:07:07
  is why newer our CAs come in and start them. I
• 1:07:10
  got them working for the post office within two,
• 1:07:13
  three, four, five, six months they're gone. They're
• 1:07:15
  out, they're gone. They're like I'm not dealing with
• 1:07:17
  that bullshit anymore. Screw that. When
• 1:07:20
  you've got carriers that have been around for 10,
• 1:07:23
  20, 30 years that are just that have loved their jobs,
• 1:07:27
  loved their customers and they just cannot take the
• 1:07:32
  bullshit anymore and they're leaving. This
• 1:07:35
  right here is why. I mean this is why we're
• 1:07:39
  here because we see it, we've gone through it, we
• 1:07:44
  are going through it in many cases and we don't
• 1:07:49
  want it to continue anymore. It
• 1:07:52
  needs to stop. And then you can turn around
• 1:07:55
  and compound that with the fact that you have a
• 1:07:59
  national board that sits there and makes comments
• 1:08:01
  such as you've had it too good for too long. Oh,
• 1:08:06
  if you apply the bell curve to 66 % of the
• 1:08:09
  people who lost during the first mini mail survey,
• 1:08:12
  it's not that bad. Oh, really? Oh,
• 1:08:17
  we lost 240 union members but that's okay because we
• 1:08:22
  gain more than that in new hires. Well,
• 1:08:25
  how long do you think it's going to take for the new
• 1:08:26
  hires to bail on you? This cavalier attitude that they
• 1:08:32
  have towards the craft who is paying them for their
• 1:08:36
  protection, education and promotion of our craft,
• 1:08:42
  it's ludicrous that they have this cavalier attitude
• 1:08:46
  in regards to representing the craft. There's
• 1:08:49
  only one reason for them to be there. Us,
• 1:08:54
  the craft. That's the only reason. Otherwise,
• 1:08:58
  we can put a turd or rock and assess pull up there
• 1:09:04
  and get the same shit from them that we do from you.
• 1:09:08
  We don't need the same banter
• 1:09:10
  from our own national board that we're getting from
• 1:09:13
  management. Or when you have a national
• 1:09:16
  board member who flat out says, well, anyone can do
• 1:09:21
  deliver the mail, not everyone can do this job
• 1:09:24
  in response to when I ran against them as an RCA.
• 1:09:29
  Again, that person at the time
• 1:09:31
  was vice president. They are now president. The
• 1:09:34
  degrading needs to stop. It's,
• 1:09:38
  you know, yeah, maybe some carrier, some routes did
• 1:09:42
  have it good for a while, but I could tell you a
• 1:09:45
  majority of them out there have not. There
• 1:09:48
  are offices that have not. That
• 1:09:51
  definitely outweighs the ones that, you know, maybe
• 1:09:54
  their routes did drop, but then they were, you know,
• 1:09:58
  higher up on evaluation and now they're lower, but
• 1:10:03
  they've lost that much more. You
• 1:10:05
  know, maybe some of their true ones, yeah, maybe they
• 1:10:07
  did lose a few hours and rightfully so did lose a
• 1:10:11
  few hours. But what about these routes
• 1:10:13
  that were so under -evaluated? I
• 1:10:17
  mean, I know my route was a 42 prior and it's now a
• 1:10:21
  46. You're right, you know, I'm not
• 1:10:24
  overburdened status, but that's up four hours
• 1:10:27
  difference is huge. And then you've got people with
• 1:10:31
  routes like bills and then we've got the ones that we
• 1:10:34
  said, you know, 90 standard hours. Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  I mean, come on now. You know, what about the relief
• 1:10:41
  for these, but what about, and then we're going to
• 1:10:43
  cut some of these routes that were 48, that just
• 1:10:46
  went to a 48K after they've gone to the SMDCs,
• 1:10:50
  which are still nowhere near technically being
• 1:10:53
  overburdened, but because they're a 48K, even though
• 1:10:56
  the carrier's done by 233 o 'clock on most days, but
• 1:11:00
  because of the added mileage, it now puts them
• 1:11:02
  in an overburden status. So we're going to whack them
• 1:11:05
  apart, but these carriers that have 60, 70 hour
• 1:11:10
  routes, they're still pleading for help. And
• 1:11:13
  let's not forget that since 2018 count with the
• 1:11:17
  introduction of Amazon, that we've turned around and
• 1:11:22
  been delivering over and above our evaluation for
• 1:11:25
  years with no extra compensation. Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  You know, my office, like I said, my route was a
• 1:11:30
  42. And that was because of the
• 1:11:32
  last mail count in 2018. And
• 1:11:35
  that whole thing with the pill bottle packs and
• 1:11:38
  whether they got counted as flats or parcels, depending
• 1:11:40
  on if they would fit into the separation, we had a
• 1:11:43
  manager who was instructed that they're all flat. So
• 1:11:46
  all of our routes got caught. And
• 1:11:48
  then Amazon came in two weeks later. Or
• 1:11:51
  you have somebody on the union side that sees 240
• 1:11:57
  people pull their dues that have been dues payers for
• 1:12:01
  five, 10, 15 years. And instead of sending the
• 1:12:06
  steward system out to find out why they've decided to
• 1:12:10
  pull their dues, they just turn around and call them
• 1:12:13
  freeloaders and scabs. Even though scabs are people who
• 1:12:17
  cross picket lines, but we'll not get into that.
• 1:12:20
  We talked about that on a
• 1:12:21
  previous episode. But the fact that you have
• 1:12:24
  people who have paid dues for years pulling their
• 1:12:28
  dues out of the system should be a red flag to
• 1:12:33
  anybody in a leadership position. But
• 1:12:36
  instead, they're more than content with that because
• 1:12:39
  the people that will continue to pay dues are
• 1:12:41
  either the ones who want to fight for change or the
• 1:12:45
  ones who are content with the way things are and how
• 1:12:49
  we're being treated by management. And
• 1:12:51
  those 240 people were knowledgeable people with
• 1:12:55
  experience that pulled their dues. They
• 1:12:58
  weren't newbies that just signed a form at training
• 1:13:01
  to have their dues withheld. These
• 1:13:04
  were experienced carriers from four different states.
• 1:13:09
  And they said, enough is
• 1:13:10
  enough. Just like the Boston Tea Party,
• 1:13:13
  no taxation without representation, no union
• 1:13:17
  dues without representation. And
• 1:13:19
  they felt like they had none. All
• 1:13:21
  right, guys, before we wrap it up here, I have one of
• 1:13:25
  our Spotify listeners had posted a question this
• 1:13:28
  week. And I really think we need to
• 1:13:30
  touch on this one for her real quick. So
• 1:13:32
  we're going to change tune. Maternity
• 1:13:35
  leave, how it works. My supervisor told me I have
• 1:13:38
  to use sick leave and annual leave before I can
• 1:13:41
  use LWAP. Also, not sure how FMLA works or
• 1:13:44
  if it's worth it, please help. Yes,
• 1:13:47
  FMLA is definitely worth it. It
• 1:13:49
  protects your job under the Family Medical Leave Act,
• 1:13:54
  as long as you have at least 12 months in and
• 1:13:57
  have worked 1250 hours within those last 12
• 1:14:02
  months, you can file apply for FMLA, your doctors will
• 1:14:08
  fill out the paperwork for you and send it in. Once
• 1:14:12
  you get it. Yes, in order to use the LWAP,
• 1:14:16
  in this case, you would have to use your sick and
• 1:14:19
  annual before. But under FMLA, you can LWAP
• 1:14:24
  under FMLA. FMLA is good for 12 weeks. I
• 1:14:29
  definitely recommend it. I got FMLA for my daughter's
• 1:14:34
  pregnancy because I'm her main transportation. So
• 1:14:37
  anytime that I take off for dependent care to take
• 1:14:41
  her to her doctor's appointments, it's under
• 1:14:43
  FMLA. That way I'm covered, especially
• 1:14:46
  if something happens and I need to be off for longer
• 1:14:49
  than just one appointment or two appointments or a
• 1:14:51
  couple days, you know, FMLA protects your job and you
• 1:14:55
  can LWAP under FMLA. Without
• 1:14:58
  FMLA, yes, you would have to use all of your leave
• 1:15:01
  that is available to you first before you could
• 1:15:04
  LWAP. Yeah, and I would reach out to
• 1:15:07
  Ron Speakman. I'd reach out to Ron Speakman
• 1:15:11
  from FedUp. He knows the FMLA procedures
• 1:15:14
  and things like that a lot better than any other
• 1:15:18
  person that I have dealt with throughout the system.
• 1:15:23
  I've asked him questions myself
• 1:15:25
  on it, so he'd be a great resource to reach out to
• 1:15:28
  if you need more information on filling out
• 1:15:31
  the FMLA and things like that. But
• 1:15:33
  we do have our OWCP rep at the NRLCA if you feel
• 1:15:39
  like reaching out to him. But
• 1:15:41
  under the Family Medical Leave Act, definitely, you
• 1:15:44
  can go either call the 800 number, you can go under
• 1:15:49
  the ELA, you can even when you submit a leave slip
• 1:15:52
  for a doctor's appointment, you go on the backside,
• 1:15:55
  you check the FMLA that will once when management
• 1:15:58
  enters that in, they'll automatically mail you the
• 1:16:01
  paperwork, you take the paperwork that needs to be
• 1:16:03
  filled out to the doctors with you. I
• 1:16:05
  do believe it's supposed to be returned within 15 days
• 1:16:08
  from the date you receive it does come with tracking.
• 1:16:11
  And then that gets submitted
• 1:16:14
  once the doctors fill it out, usually they'll mail
• 1:16:18
  it right off for you, that gets sent in, you'll get
• 1:16:21
  your FMLA approval, denial, whatever it is, your case
• 1:16:24
  number, all that stuff, and then you include your FMLA
• 1:16:28
  for those appointments or any other additional time.
• 1:16:30
  I highly suggest it,
• 1:16:32
  especially with maternity leave with taking off, this
• 1:16:35
  will allow you to kind of stag your sick leave and
• 1:16:38
  your annual leave as well with LWAP, that is the one
• 1:16:42
  exception with LWAP is with the FMLA. So
• 1:16:45
  yeah, I highly suggest getting the FMLA for
• 1:16:48
  maternity leave. I have another one this week
• 1:16:52
  real quick question, which this is I've seen this one
• 1:16:55
  pop up in various areas, especially with the route
• 1:16:58
  cuts coming up. So as we have an auxilia
• 1:17:01
  route over five years that management kept seeing
• 1:17:03
  overburden routes will be cut and placed to it,
• 1:17:07
  place it to the auxiliary but nothing has been done
• 1:17:10
  so far as their way it can file a grievance. If
• 1:17:12
  they've been saying it for five years, then with the
• 1:17:15
  recs in the last two years though, it's kind of late
• 1:17:18
  on that end. But with these new cuts coming
• 1:17:20
  up, keep your eye out. If they have routes that
• 1:17:23
  they're going to cut and they don't place it with
• 1:17:25
  the auxiliary route. I really guys, I don't know,
• 1:17:29
  is there a grievance on that one or not? So
• 1:17:31
  back then, back five years ago when they were talking
• 1:17:35
  about cutting the overburden routes and putting them on
• 1:17:37
  those routes, it should have happened probably prior
• 1:17:41
  to the mini -mail survey and I would have filed the
• 1:17:44
  grievance back then. But once the first mini -mail
• 1:17:47
  survey came out and they decided that we were going
• 1:17:50
  to use the new cut system to adjust routes, that's
• 1:17:54
  when you come into the caveat of we don't have a
• 1:17:56
  system to cut routes right now, we don't have a way
• 1:17:59
  to do this, we don't have a system in place to do
• 1:18:01
  that. I have been highly arguing
• 1:18:06
  that they should be using the old system to cut
• 1:18:08
  routes if they can't cut them with the new system.
• 1:18:11
  But with the cuts coming now,
• 1:18:15
  it should be a lot more automated in the cuts and
• 1:18:19
  it should be supposedly more accurate on the cuts
• 1:18:24
  if they use the system correctly. I
• 1:18:27
  don't trust management to use the system correctly,
• 1:18:30
  but if you have overburden routes in your office,
• 1:18:33
  they're going to be coming to adjust those in the
• 1:18:35
  next few weeks. They're training the people, they
• 1:18:38
  should be almost done with the training. I
• 1:18:40
  believe this past Friday was the last day for the
• 1:18:44
  first rounds of training, so some offices should be
• 1:18:47
  getting cuts this coming pay period. They
• 1:18:51
  have to start it at the beginning of a pay period
• 1:18:54
  and it has to be completed by the end of that pay
• 1:18:57
  period. So hopefully we'll see the
• 1:19:01
  results of those here in the coming next two pay
• 1:19:04
  periods and it should, after all things are said
• 1:19:07
  and done, increase that off -route and if it doesn't,
• 1:19:11
  you could file agreements on that, but I doubt that
• 1:19:16
  the grievance would be valid in a lot of ways
• 1:19:19
  for that with the way that they're going to do these
• 1:19:21
  cuts. All right, got another one real
• 1:19:23
  quick. This kind of goes back to the
• 1:19:24
  Amazon Sundays. It says in Texas, I was told
• 1:19:29
  that the late time for Amazon Sunday at 10 due to
• 1:19:34
  keeping carriers at four to five hours of delivery only
• 1:19:38
  does not seem like they'll have time to carry anything
• 1:19:40
  by Amazon or not all of it. That's
• 1:19:43
  just a quick comment on that. Again,
• 1:19:46
  what the true reason for switching to 10 o 'clock we
• 1:19:49
  honestly don't know. So I heard a rumor on that.
• 1:19:53
  I heard a rumor on that and
• 1:19:55
  the rumor was that we're getting paid a $1 .50 of
• 1:20:00
  parcel to deliver Amazon and we're costing them $2
• 1:20:03
  .50 to deliver a parcel for Amazon. So
• 1:20:07
  they're trying to shorten up the delivery points
• 1:20:09
  between each parcel that we have to deliver on Amazon
• 1:20:14
  Sunday to try and lower the cost per parcel of
• 1:20:18
  delivery. And this is their one way of
• 1:20:21
  doing that. It's trying to force carriers to
• 1:20:23
  go faster and do even more work for less money. I
• 1:20:30
  got a good one. Just like we have to do more
• 1:20:32
  letters for more letters per minute than we used to
• 1:20:36
  also. All right, this question has
• 1:20:38
  been asked on numerous platforms geared towards the
• 1:20:40
  three of us. And I'm going to put it out
• 1:20:42
  here now that way everybody can hear us even though we
• 1:20:45
  have mentioned it many times over the course of
• 1:20:48
  time. Since I have a question about
• 1:20:50
  social media presence for the candidates, if or when
• 1:20:53
  you are appointed to a national board position,
• 1:20:56
  would you consider an NRLCA podcast to help with
• 1:20:59
  transparency to members? Absolutely.
• 1:21:03
  Absolutely. I believe that coming out
• 1:21:05
  here and speaking weekly on issues that carriers are
• 1:21:09
  having is a benefit to the craft. I
• 1:21:14
  believe getting out there and speaking publicly about
• 1:21:17
  issues that carriers are facing is a benefit to the
• 1:21:20
  craft. Social media has been a huge
• 1:21:24
  benefit to this craft. The fact that we are getting
• 1:21:28
  out there and having carriers getting information,
• 1:21:32
  getting help, getting answers, figuring things
• 1:21:35
  out, pointing them in the right direction, even if
• 1:21:38
  it's not giving them an answer but pointing them to
• 1:21:40
  where they can find it, is a benefit to the craft.
• 1:21:44
  And I know that according to
• 1:21:47
  the National Labor Relations Board in social media
• 1:21:50
  policy, as long as you are working to unite in a
• 1:21:54
  concerted effort discussing wages, benefits, and work
• 1:21:59
  conditions, it is First Amendment protected speech.
• 1:22:03
  And anybody who says otherwise
• 1:22:05
  is misinformed. Yeah. Now, we've already said
• 1:22:08
  many times that we would continue this on. You
• 1:22:11
  know, it's been, I think there needs to be more
• 1:22:15
  transparency. I think social media can be
• 1:22:17
  a great tool when used properly. Well,
• 1:22:20
  and I think the fact that matters is that if the
• 1:22:23
  NRLCA has a Facebook page that's accessible to all
• 1:22:29
  members, whether they be do thing or not, will offer
• 1:22:35
  us the opportunity to be able to address issues in
• 1:22:39
  a quicker timetable because of the fact that some of
• 1:22:43
  the non -union members don't feel like, you know, they
• 1:22:46
  get the representation or they have the ear of the
• 1:22:49
  union. And we do have to represent
• 1:22:52
  them. But just because they're non
• 1:22:54
  -union members doesn't mean it doesn't affect everybody.
• 1:22:58
  So I like the idea of
• 1:23:00
  continuing on with the social media platform. And
• 1:23:04
  people said, yeah, would you continue this podcast
• 1:23:07
  if you're president? Hell yes. You
• 1:23:10
  know, that, you know, and every other social media
• 1:23:13
  platform is available to us. The
• 1:23:15
  better our message, the bigger our message, the
• 1:23:20
  more platforms we're on, the more we're going to be
• 1:23:23
  able to accomplish. And we can't accomplish that
• 1:23:26
  without you. So yes, the social media
• 1:23:28
  platform is pretty national board. I
• 1:23:31
  think it would be more united too. I
• 1:23:33
  mean, you're going to bring, you're going to get
• 1:23:34
  more people together than, I mean, we're all members
• 1:23:40
  of all the groups and you see the bickering and you
• 1:23:43
  see the cattiness. And, you know, anymore I just
• 1:23:48
  scroll through a lot of that. I
• 1:23:49
  just, I can't even stomach the cattiness. I
• 1:23:53
  really can't. But I think to get more people
• 1:23:56
  united and bring people together for a concerted
• 1:24:00
  effort, I mean, definitely social media when used
• 1:24:03
  properly in any platform is definitely helpful, can be
• 1:24:07
  helpful. Yeah. And if you look at the
• 1:24:10
  current NRLCA social media, all of them, they have no
• 1:24:15
  comments available. You cannot comment on their
• 1:24:19
  social media. Now, being somebody who has ran
• 1:24:23
  a Facebook page and we currently run a Facebook
• 1:24:27
  page, as well as groups and things like that, the
• 1:24:31
  issue for that is in order to get seen, even by the
• 1:24:35
  people who follow you, you have to have activity on
• 1:24:39
  your posts. You can't just have likes and
• 1:24:42
  reactions to them. You got to have comments
• 1:24:44
  because the more people react to it, the more
• 1:24:47
  people it reaches because Facebook's algorithm is if
• 1:24:51
  one person comments on it, it reaches four more
• 1:24:54
  people. If two people comment, it
• 1:24:57
  reaches eight people and so on and so forth. There's
• 1:25:00
  a very small number of people they actually really
• 1:25:03
  presented it from. They move it up on the wall in
• 1:25:06
  Facebook. They make it more recommended on
• 1:25:10
  YouTube, things like that, when there's actual activity
• 1:25:13
  on it. And the fact that our union
• 1:25:15
  wants you to follow their social media, but won't
• 1:25:18
  allow the things that boost the posts to the people
• 1:25:22
  that follow them, proves that they are out of
• 1:25:25
  touch, not only with our craft, but with current
• 1:25:28
  technology. And interacting back. The
• 1:25:31
  more that you interact back, the more it's going
• 1:25:34
  to get seen. Not just the comments, but the
• 1:25:37
  interaction back and forth as well. Even
• 1:25:40
  messaging the pages is a benefit too. Yes
• 1:25:44
  it is. There's trackers on Facebook that
• 1:25:47
  tell you, you take you an hour, two hours, three
• 1:25:49
  hours to reply to people, stuff like that. You
• 1:25:54
  could benefit the craft. Oh yeah. And
• 1:25:57
  you know, you get those so and so still writing for a
• 1:26:01
  reply. We finished the conversation,
• 1:26:03
  but okay. Thank you. You
• 1:26:06
  know, you get that stuff. And
• 1:26:10
  like I said, if it's used properly, I could definitely
• 1:26:12
  see it as being a great tool. I
• 1:26:14
  understand that when new leadership takes over and
• 1:26:18
  they do decide to open the comments up, that we're
• 1:26:21
  going to get the floodgates open of people who are
• 1:26:24
  going to want to complain about everything that's
• 1:26:27
  going on in the union. And that's okay. That
• 1:26:30
  is your right. Your right to complain to your
• 1:26:33
  leadership about what's going on. Leadership
• 1:26:36
  should be listening to your complaints and fixing those
• 1:26:39
  complaints if they can do it. Or
• 1:26:42
  coming up with some mutually agreed solution to
• 1:26:45
  your problem. It shouldn't just write them
• 1:26:48
  off that, oh it's just a gripe. People
• 1:26:51
  have grievances. They want to air. Let
• 1:26:55
  them air it. You know, yes, there's a social
• 1:26:57
  media person in that office. But
• 1:26:59
  you know what, I think if somebody was to comment
• 1:27:01
  with a really good, you know, with something that
• 1:27:04
  needs to be brought attention, then you know,
• 1:27:07
  if I'm, then they need to be spread out amongst all
• 1:27:09
  the officers. All right, we've got this going
• 1:27:11
  on. You know, who can, okay, this
• 1:27:14
  is a good question for this officer to handle.
• 1:27:16
  This is good. Please
• 1:27:17
  reach out to the please get back to them, you
• 1:27:20
  know, or something, you know, to show that the
• 1:27:25
  officers are working for the craft as they were
• 1:27:27
  elected to do. These are elected officials to
• 1:27:32
  work for you. And you know, when you shut
• 1:27:36
  off the commenting and the reaching out, you know, it
• 1:27:40
  doesn't look like you're working much for us. I
• 1:27:44
  mean, yes, there is a lot of work in the office.
• 1:27:46
  Don't get me wrong. I
• 1:27:47
  mean, it could be drowned in work. We
• 1:27:48
  all will be, would be. It's
• 1:27:51
  just a matter of, you know, delegation and all
• 1:27:55
  right, you take that, you take a few extra moments
• 1:27:57
  to reach out to this person that's in dire need
• 1:28:00
  of assistance somewhere. And what do you do? Okay,
• 1:28:03
  so I've got somebody who, who's, you know, that's
• 1:28:06
  when you go and find who's in charge of that area,
• 1:28:08
  who's that a DR, ADR area steward, that we can get
• 1:28:12
  in touch with them to get this taken care of. Or
• 1:28:15
  is this something that's a beyond them? That
• 1:28:17
  is something that we need to go to headquarters for
• 1:28:19
  and say, look, this needs to get taken care of in
• 1:28:22
  this area now, you know, stuff like that to show
• 1:28:25
  that, you know, these elected officials are
• 1:28:27
  actually working for the craft as they were elected
• 1:28:30
  to do. All right, guys, you can reach
• 1:28:32
  out, you can reach out to your politicians. The
• 1:28:36
  politicians you can reach out to their social medias
• 1:28:38
  are open for discussion and stuff like that, because
• 1:28:42
  they're elected by you to their positions. They
• 1:28:45
  need to be able to speak to their constituents in
• 1:28:48
  order to be elected again. And
• 1:28:51
  our leadership doesn't have that fear of losing their
• 1:28:54
  position, because they aren't listening to the
• 1:28:56
  craft, because of how entrenched they are through
• 1:28:59
  the system. It's time that the system steps
• 1:29:02
  up and boots out those that think that they're
• 1:29:04
  untouchable anymore. You know, I, Vice President,
• 1:29:09
  I'd be open to, you know, you guys got new ideas of
• 1:29:12
  new places that are big enough to hold national
• 1:29:15
  convention at. You know, throw me an idea.
• 1:29:17
  I'll be more than happy to look
• 1:29:18
  into it. You know, the vice president
• 1:29:21
  also books the future national conventions and
• 1:29:23
  handles all that. I'd be more than happy to see
• 1:29:26
  if there's some other new places to go to other than
• 1:29:30
  repeating the same ones over and over again that
• 1:29:32
  we have for a while. I mean, we used to do other
• 1:29:35
  places. I get it. You
• 1:29:36
  know, you've got to have a place that'll house 2000
• 1:29:38
  people. And that can get tough. I
• 1:29:41
  completely understand that. You
• 1:29:42
  know, I've got 15 years at hotels and resorts people.
• 1:29:45
  I understand the back end of
• 1:29:46
  it. So I also know how sometimes
• 1:29:53
  it can be a an affordability issue too for
• 1:29:57
  many. Yeah. And, you know, in knowing
• 1:30:01
  how contracts work on the other end of things, to be
• 1:30:05
  able to put that into perspective and to be able
• 1:30:08
  to and understand that when moving forward with booking
• 1:30:11
  future places and rates and whatnot. I
• 1:30:18
  mean, I do. I understand all of that. So
• 1:30:20
  I, you know, I've been looking, I mean, my locals
• 1:30:23
  hosting a state convention and, you know, our state
• 1:30:26
  board found one location and I've been trying to
• 1:30:28
  find others within the area that's big enough. And
• 1:30:31
  unfortunately, I haven't been able to because we
• 1:30:34
  just don't have the facilities for it. So,
• 1:30:38
  you know, I, you know, I get it. I
• 1:30:39
  really do. It is, you know, definitely,
• 1:30:42
  at least I do understand that whole part of it as
• 1:30:44
  well. All right. All
• 1:30:46
  right. You got anything else to add,
• 1:30:49
  Bill? We're going to wind it down
• 1:30:50
  since we're after nine o 'clock already. Well,
• 1:30:53
  yeah, I do, but I'll save it for the post show.
• 1:31:00
  Again, if you're not on our
• 1:31:01
  Discord server and at this time, iPhone users, I feel
• 1:31:05
  sorry for you for this, but you don't get to hear
• 1:31:08
  the pre -show and the post -show that we do on our
• 1:31:11
  Discord server, but you can find the links on our
• 1:31:13
  Facebook groups, our Facebook page and places
• 1:31:15
  like that, where we actually post links that
• 1:31:19
  you can join our Discord and join us for our
• 1:31:22
  recordings. And if we have even our
• 1:31:24
  special episodes during the week, you can hear those
• 1:31:28
  as well. So, join us on our Discord.
• 1:31:32
  You know, we have a listener
• 1:31:33
  chat on the Discord. If you play Monopoly Go, we
• 1:31:36
  have a, we have a channel for that too. You
• 1:31:40
  know, we've got questions, we've got manuals, MOUs,
• 1:31:45
  you know, if you want to come up and hang out with
• 1:31:48
  us one night on the microphone, we've got a
• 1:31:51
  channel just to vet people on there as well. You
• 1:31:55
  know, we've got a bunch of different things going on
• 1:31:58
  on our Discord more than just recording on Sunday
• 1:32:01
  nights and when we do our mid -week stuff. So,
• 1:32:04
  definitely, you know, we're usually out there all the
• 1:32:07
  time. It's one of the few things I
• 1:32:08
  actually do get notifications for. Again,
• 1:32:10
  I turn those back on so we can do that. When
• 1:32:16
  a new RCA comes in, where are they placed? Used
• 1:32:19
  to be, what's the next in line? How
• 1:32:22
  is it now? It should be filled from the
• 1:32:25
  one that has, unless somebody's put a 120 -day
• 1:32:28
  letter in, that will jump them to the front of the
• 1:32:30
  line. It should be the route that
• 1:32:34
  has gone the longest without an RCA. Technically,
• 1:32:37
  it should be. They are supposed to be filled
• 1:32:40
  as they become vacant. So, if you've got, you know,
• 1:32:44
  one route that hasn't had a sub in three months, one
• 1:32:47
  that hasn't had a sub in two months, and one that
• 1:32:49
  just lost a sub, that one with the three months
• 1:32:51
  should be getting theirs first and so on, so forth.
• 1:32:56
  Unless the newest one put a 120
• 1:32:58
  -day letter in, then that's going to jump them to the
• 1:33:01
  front of the line. But that's not always the case,
• 1:33:03
  always, because in our district, for some reason,
• 1:33:08
  HR just randomly assigns them a route that doesn't
• 1:33:13
  have a sub of record as a primary. So,
• 1:33:17
  they don't take any of that consideration in our
• 1:33:21
  area. And management can have a say
• 1:33:23
  in that too, but yeah, most of the time they
• 1:33:25
  don't even, yeah, we have an issue with that in my
• 1:33:28
  office as well, but I'm not going to get into that
• 1:33:30
  right now. So, anyways. For
• 1:33:33
  those of you wondering, that was a question from
• 1:33:36
  our live -stage chat from one of our listeners who's
• 1:33:39
  listening to us live. Record
• 1:33:40
  this. Not only can you come in and
• 1:33:43
  ask questions in the live -stage, and we may answer
• 1:33:45
  it on the air live, but during the week, if we're
• 1:33:50
  not talking, you can always reach out to us also
• 1:33:53
  through Discord, because some of us will respond to
• 1:33:56
  messages on Discord as well, so you can reach out
• 1:33:59
  to us there as well. All right, guys. Go
• 1:34:01
  ahead. Other of us will respond after
• 1:34:03
  James prompts me to respond. I
• 1:34:09
  just wish I'd get my Discord notifications on my
• 1:34:12
  watch. That would be nice, but
• 1:34:13
  unfortunately, that would definitely be nice, but
• 1:34:17
  unfortunately, I don't. So, I think I'm editing
• 1:34:27
  tonight. So, James, your final words of
• 1:34:30
  wisdom for this evening. Well,
• 1:34:32
  we went through a lot of different topics today and
• 1:34:34
  discussed a lot of things going on, but the biggest
• 1:34:37
  thing that we are worried about most of all is our
• 1:34:41
  fellow brothers and sisters of the craft. You
• 1:34:44
  know, we talk about unity in the craft as the
• 1:34:47
  biggest thing that can happen right now, not only
• 1:34:50
  for getting new leadership put into place, but just
• 1:34:55
  to get the craft back out from underneath managerial
• 1:35:00
  harassment and managerial mistreatment. Getting
• 1:35:05
  us all working towards the same goal of a united
• 1:35:09
  union and craft is the biggest thing that we can
• 1:35:14
  do right now. Taking care of our fellow brothers
• 1:35:17
  and sisters, poking our head out if management is
• 1:35:21
  causing another carrier problems, stepping up and
• 1:35:24
  saying that's not right can be a big help to that
• 1:35:28
  carrier, especially if that carrier is conflict -evoided
• 1:35:32
  and doesn't want to stand up against management,
• 1:35:36
  because at the end of the day, we're all in this
• 1:35:39
  together. Bill? Well, I'd like to close
• 1:35:42
  out by thanking everybody who listens, whether they're
• 1:35:46
  live or whether they get it through the week from
• 1:35:49
  the podcast, and remind you that the only way we're
• 1:35:53
  going to change this union is by changing the
• 1:35:55
  leadership, and for that, we need delegates to go to
• 1:35:58
  the national convention and vote accordingly. I,
• 1:36:02
  for one, gladly step aside as a presidential candidate
• 1:36:07
  if we had a better opportunity, individual, step
• 1:36:12
  up and challenge for the national president.
• 1:36:16
  Unfortunately, nobody has, because they
• 1:36:18
  don't want to fight the system. I
• 1:36:20
  believe that everybody in the National World Letter
• 1:36:24
  Carries Association and the non -members are worth
• 1:36:28
  fighting for. Otherwise, I wouldn't put my time and
• 1:36:31
  effort into this podcast and everything else I do
• 1:36:34
  through the course of the week to try to help the
• 1:36:37
  members of our crowd. We can't do it alone. We
• 1:36:40
  need your help. We need your support. The
• 1:36:43
  thing of it is, we're not here for ourselves. We're
• 1:36:47
  here for you. We answer questions as they
• 1:36:50
  pop up on our live stage. We
• 1:36:52
  answer questions through the course of the week. We
• 1:36:55
  answer them from multiple platforms, social media. We
• 1:36:59
  answer emails and texts directed towards us. It
• 1:37:03
  doesn't matter. We're here for you. This
• 1:37:06
  is not something that we're selecting to do because,
• 1:37:09
  oh, we don't want to carry our routes. I
• 1:37:12
  gladly carry my route versus being an elected
• 1:37:17
  officer if I had faith in the officers that represent
• 1:37:20
  us. I have no faith in them and
• 1:37:23
  I have not had faith in them for years. Remember,
• 1:37:28
  what we're doing here is for your benefit. It'll
• 1:37:32
  be for our benefit also, but it's for 100 ,000 plus
• 1:37:35
  people, not the nine that are up on the national
• 1:37:39
  board. Keep that in mind when you're
• 1:37:42
  selecting your delegates. Keep
• 1:37:44
  in mind that we do care. Like
• 1:37:46
  I always say at the end of every podcast, you are
• 1:37:50
  the most important delivery and you are. You
• 1:37:54
  need to get home to your family, to your loved ones
• 1:37:56
  because they're the most important aspect of your
• 1:37:59
  life. They're the reason why you're going
• 1:38:02
  through all the turmoil and the bullshit goes on in
• 1:38:08
  these offices across the country every day. I
• 1:38:12
  pray we don't get any more letters that say, I'm
• 1:38:16
  defeated. I don't know that word. I
• 1:38:20
  don't stop fighting and I won't stop fighting because
• 1:38:25
  I believe this situation that we are in has to
• 1:38:30
  change if this union is vive. God
• 1:38:33
  bless you all. Be safe. Do
• 1:38:36
  your job professionally, efficiently, the best of
• 1:38:39
  your abilities. Get home to your loved ones
• 1:38:41
  because you are the most important delivery of the
• 1:38:44
  day. Kristen? Thank you gentlemen. I
• 1:38:47
  have to agree guys. Us running for national
• 1:38:52
  officers isn't about us. It's
• 1:38:55
  about the entire craft. As Bill said, I am happy on
• 1:39:01
  my route. I love my customers to death.
• 1:39:04
  I have more customers that
• 1:39:06
  will ask me on a daily basis how my daughter is
• 1:39:09
  doing than management. I love my job. I
• 1:39:16
  love my customers. I'm doing this for the craft.
• 1:39:19
  I do this for every single
• 1:39:21
  one of you guys out there. I
• 1:39:24
  think people need to realize that things aren't
• 1:39:28
  going to get better if there isn't any change and
• 1:39:32
  there needs to be change. Whether
• 1:39:34
  it's one of us or all three of us or somebody
• 1:39:38
  else better stepping up, there has to be change and
• 1:39:43
  we can't make the change if we don't have the
• 1:39:47
  delegates that are there to vote for the change that's
• 1:39:51
  needed. But yes, as Bill and James,
• 1:39:54
  we're all in this together and you guys stay safe out
• 1:39:58
  there. It's springtime. The
• 1:40:01
  weather's getting wacky with the rain and whatnot. Thank
• 1:40:04
  goodness the other mighty S word is I done for the
• 1:40:07
  year, I hope. Fingers crossed. I
• 1:40:09
  just come across a Facebook memory from six years ago
• 1:40:13
  where I got dumped with 18 inches of snow overnight
• 1:40:16
  six years ago today. It happens, especially in my
• 1:40:20
  neck of the woods. Guys, you are the most important
• 1:40:25
  delivery day getting home to your loved ones. This
• 1:40:28
  job is of our careers. This
• 1:40:30
  is what affords us to have the roof over our heads,
• 1:40:33
  to feed our families, to clothe our kids, to get
• 1:40:37
  what we need for our grandchildren that are going
• 1:40:41
  to be on their way later this year. This
• 1:40:43
  is our livelihoods and we want to do it to the best
• 1:40:47
  of our ability, but at the same time I want to make
• 1:40:49
  sure that we have that career that we all so much
• 1:40:53
  love that can still have that love without having to
• 1:40:57
  walk away feeling defeated, without having to walk away
• 1:40:59
  feeling we've been in an abusive relationship. Nobody
• 1:41:02
  wants that in their lives. I
• 1:41:04
  don't, I know guys don't, none of you do. We
• 1:41:08
  don't want it and we know we can help make it
• 1:41:11
  better. And on that note guys, stay
• 1:41:14
  safe this week and we will be back next week.
• 1:41:30
  Wait, wait for 10 minutes, make
• 1:41:32
  sure it's folding golf.