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Kidnapper Lures Girl, 10, With Candy and Money, 1 Block From School · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A man dressed all in black targets a ten year
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Speaker 1: old little girl not far from her school. She's on
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Speaker 1: foot the first time, she gets away, then he comes back.
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Speaker 1: I Meanancy, Grace, this is crime Stories, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven in an upscale area of Florida. On day
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Speaker 1: number one, the little girl runs for her life. Listen.
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Speaker 1: A man in a black van first approached her Wednesday
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Speaker 1: on her way to school, offering her candy. He opened
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Speaker 1: the slide indoor of his vand and shoulder the candies
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Speaker 1: a fulla to get inside and take a look at
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Speaker 1: all the candies that he had. She managed to get away,
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Speaker 1: but then the next morning, that same man allegedly approaching
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Speaker 1: her again, this time on foot. He said, hey, yousul
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Speaker 1: body of candys? Yes, say so? She afraiden? She rhyme
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Speaker 1: set help hearing our friends at GMA. So after the
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Speaker 1: first day which she gets away not to be scared off,
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Speaker 1: he actually comes back. A ten year old little girl
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Speaker 1: in a very nice neighborhood, apparently on the way to school,
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Speaker 1: stopped joining me and All Star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. First, to Nicole parton
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole the first time
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Speaker 1: I understand that he was not on foot. That's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: About seven forty am, this little girl's making the block
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Speaker 1: and a half walk to her school. She notices a
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Speaker 1: black van right on the street where she's walking down
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Speaker 1: the sidewalk. He opens the door of that black van
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Speaker 1: and tries to lure her inside, offering her money, offering
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Speaker 1: her candy. Of course, she does the right thing, says no,
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Speaker 1: tries to get away. A struggle ensues. During that struggle,
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Speaker 1: she loses her school badge lanyard, her ID for school.
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Speaker 1: He snatches that up, takes that with him and proceeds
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Speaker 1: after her on foot. You know what, the fact that
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Speaker 1: he got that close to her that they he could
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Speaker 1: snatch her. And the two struggled and she loses on
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Speaker 1: the first attempt, loses her lanyard, and he picks it
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Speaker 1: up again. Joining me an all star panel. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go now after Nicole apartment to Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: class kids dot org. That's Class with a K. Mark.
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Speaker 1: He took that lanyard with her school ID picture on it.
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Speaker 1: My twins have way too, as a memento and as
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Speaker 1: a way to find her again, because you know there
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Speaker 1: he is right by the school. This is his happy
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Speaker 1: hunting ground, and he finds a victim, and he doesn't
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Speaker 1: get the girl that day, but he gets a souvenir. Well, listen,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand in any rational world how a child
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Speaker 1: who is practically abducted on day one is allowed to
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Speaker 1: walk to school by herself again on day two. But
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Speaker 1: that having been said, she's no victim. She's a survivor.
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Speaker 1: She did everything that she was supposed to do under
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Speaker 1: the circumstances. Her parents knew her where she was. She
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Speaker 1: should not have been alone, There's no question about that.
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Speaker 1: But you know what she did, Nancy, She trusted her feelings.
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Speaker 1: Something was wrong about this situation, and she puts physical
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Speaker 1: distance between herself and whatever that was. You know, I
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Speaker 1: think we need a shrink. Let's go to Scott Johnson,
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Speaker 1: joining US forensic psychologist out of Minnesota, thirty two years
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Speaker 1: in the business, and you can find him at Forensic
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Speaker 1: Consultation dot org. Scott, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think he grabbed the lanyard? They came
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Speaker 1: loose during the struggle. Well, definitely, she's likely a targeted victim,
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Speaker 1: and so not only as a souvenir, but to continue
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Speaker 1: to pursue her. He's now got a picture, the school name, etc.
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Speaker 1: So for him it was really important to have them.
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Speaker 1: But the fact that he didn't stop at that point,
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Speaker 1: he continued to try to pursure again. I think she's
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Speaker 1: a targeted victim, and that's why, you know, he came
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Speaker 1: back on day two to Ali Neil joining us a
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Speaker 1: co founder and executive director rev up Kids at rev
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Speaker 1: up kids dot org. Alie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: How many times do you think this perv before the
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Speaker 1: second attempt had come and stalked this little girl and
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Speaker 1: watched her. I guarantee you he knew her route, he
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Speaker 1: knew what time she would be coming, he knew she
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Speaker 1: would be alone. I guarantee you he'd been staking out
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Speaker 1: that elementary school for a long time. This was not
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Speaker 1: day one. I completely agree with you, Nancy, And that's
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Speaker 1: one of the things that we always say to parents is,
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Speaker 1: you know, stranger danger is a rare occurrence, but wow,
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Speaker 1: schools and bus stops, that's the best place to encounter
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Speaker 1: stranger danger because the kids are on a very regimented schedule,
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Speaker 1: and it's really easy for a predator to know exactly
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Speaker 1: who's there and when they're there, and are they alone,
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Speaker 1: and are there any adults around? And are they walking
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Speaker 1: on an isolated path? And so of course it's easy
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Speaker 1: for somebody like this to jerry pick their victim and
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Speaker 1: know exactly the best way to approach them and when
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Speaker 1: to Mark Class Founder, Class Kids Foundation. Mark, you were
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Speaker 1: the one that first told me this incredible statistic about
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Speaker 1: how so many kidnaps and kidnap attempts occur en route
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Speaker 1: or leaving school, the school bus, stop, walking to school,
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Speaker 1: coming home from school. What's that stat you gave me?
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Speaker 1: The stat was from the National Center for Missing and
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Speaker 1: Exploited Children and the status that one third of all
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Speaker 1: stranger abductions occur on school routes for exactly the reasons
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Speaker 1: that Ali was just stating. I mean, everything is known,
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Speaker 1: but given that knowledge, as a society, there are totally
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Speaker 1: a bunch of things that we can do. We can
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Speaker 1: put up surveillance cameras, we can have neighborhood watch programs,
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Speaker 1: we can ensure that our children are being escorted to
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Speaker 1: school by at least other children, if not their parents themselves.
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Speaker 1: So this is a situation that can be mitigated nationally.
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Speaker 1: If we really wanted to hone in on this, we
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Speaker 1: could probably abduction attempts by a third in this country
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Speaker 1: given that knowledge. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be in
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Speaker 1: the will to follow through. I don't get at mark
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Speaker 1: class knowing what we know. Those statistics alone, thirty percent
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Speaker 1: of all stranger abductions center around revolve around school drop off, pickup,
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Speaker 1: bus stops, somehow getting to and from school. You know.
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Speaker 1: Another thing. Straight back out to Nicole Parton, I carefully
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Speaker 1: looked at the video and the photographs. There's no school
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Speaker 1: guard crossing person. We would think that close to school
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Speaker 1: there would be one. There was not. That was about
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Speaker 1: a block away. There is a school crossing closer to
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Speaker 1: the school, but she was still about a block and
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Speaker 1: a half out when this happened, so there was no
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Speaker 1: crossing guard. There was no one there with her. I
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Speaker 1: will say this happened just one block away from North
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Speaker 1: Federal Highway, which is the main thoroughfare right down through
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Speaker 1: downtown Fort Lauderdale. So this is not a rural country area.
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Speaker 1: This is a block over seven forty am in the morning,
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Speaker 1: morning traffic, traffic rush. This is a busy, busy place,
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Speaker 1: and this man is very bold to be right there
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Speaker 1: trying to abduct this little girl. Jes Goot Morgan joining me,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author All Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit series Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan Joe Scott. This is reminiscent
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Speaker 1: of all the speculation that was occurring at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: especially in the murders of Abbey and Libby in the
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Speaker 1: Delphi case, the theory that a transient or a traveler
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Speaker 1: had come through and assaulted and killed Abbey and Libby.
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Speaker 1: We never bought it because who would know about that
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Speaker 1: trestle bridge unused out in some you know, it's not
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Speaker 1: really even a park. I would say it's more of
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Speaker 1: a hiking area. A local really would be the only
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Speaker 1: one to know how to get there, to know it
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Speaker 1: even existed. Same thing here. I hear what Nicole is
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Speaker 1: saying that this is near an interstate, But who else
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Speaker 1: would know about this little elementary school, this little girl
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Speaker 1: walking in there at this time? I think it's a
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Speaker 1: local or at most one town Over. Yeah, and to
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Speaker 1: your point about Abbey and Livy relative to schedulings and
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Speaker 1: schools and that sort of thing. Remember those girls who
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Speaker 1: are out of school that day and always felt like
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Speaker 1: that somebody would have to have knowledge of that, somebody local.
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Speaker 1: We have this individual that is essentially loitering around a
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Speaker 1: school that's looking for an opportunity to strike at any
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Speaker 1: moment time. But from a forensic standpoint, that's really helpful
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Speaker 1: for us and for police specifically that are conducting the investigation,
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Speaker 1: because there's always a chance, always a chance that you're
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Speaker 1: going to pick up on something relative to behavior or
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Speaker 1: images or movement or something like this that can try
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Speaker 1: him back and it can put him in that space.
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Speaker 1: And it all depends on what the police do relative
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Speaker 1: to canvassing the area and talking to people that may
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Speaker 1: have seen this guy hanging around. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: this guy doesn't settle for failing the first time trying
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Speaker 1: to abduct and lure the little girl. He comes back
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Speaker 1: for her. Take a listen to our friends at CBS four. Now,
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Speaker 1: after the child took off running in the clip you
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Speaker 1: just saw, about twenty seconds later, you see him turning
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Speaker 1: the corner looking for the child. A witness in the
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Speaker 1: area approaches them and asks the ten year old if
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Speaker 1: she knows this man. She says no. At the same
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Speaker 1: time that she's saying no, the suspect says yes, they
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Speaker 1: do know each other, and that he's her grandfather. The witness,
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Speaker 1: realizing that something's not right in sharks, the ten year
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Speaker 1: old to run. The guy is so bold mark class.
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Speaker 1: When a bystanders just staying there goes, hey, do you
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Speaker 1: know him? The guy says, yeah, I'm a grandpa. He
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Speaker 1: actually lies about it, and it reminds me of Shasta Grone.
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Speaker 1: She and brother Dillon were spotted off the interstate. She
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Speaker 1: was swimming in an above ground pool. As I recall,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is in Core Delaine, Idaho. If
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Speaker 1: you fly over it, there's nothing but green, very rule.
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Speaker 1: But it was near an interstate. The way Nicole Parton
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Speaker 1: had described this, he saw her, He kills her whole
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Speaker 1: family and takes her and her brother. He molests a
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Speaker 1: little brother are ultimately killing him in some sex game
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Speaker 1: he was playing on the little boy. And when they
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Speaker 1: go to ultimately in weeks and weeks and weeks past,
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Speaker 1: they are actually in a convenience store. He's getting really
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Speaker 1: bold taking her out in public. And you remember, Mark,
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Speaker 1: we had been covering every night, putting her picture out there,
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Speaker 1: out there, out there. The convenience store clerk recognizes Shasta.
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Speaker 1: She had seen her picture and her kidnapper was acting
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Speaker 1: like he was her dad and that nothing was wrong.
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Speaker 1: That's some kind of emo acting like this as your child,
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Speaker 1: a grandchild. You know, these people are very bold. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the whole idea that this guy would would have the
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Speaker 1: audacity to come back the second day and go after
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Speaker 1: the very same child in a very similar manner is
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Speaker 1: kind of absolutely unbelievable. It shows why once we identify
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Speaker 1: who these characters are, we have to get them off
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Speaker 1: of this reason. We have to keep them off of
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Speaker 1: the screech to keep our children safe. There's no question
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Speaker 1: about that at all. So it's a matter now of
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Speaker 1: identifying this guy and then dealing with him, if he
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Speaker 1: will be dealt with. James Shellnut with me twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years Metro major case, former Swatnell lawyer at the shell
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Speaker 1: Nut firm. James, think about the boldness of this guy.
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Speaker 1: He spotted the little girl runs, he keeps her lanyard.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you as a souvenir. He knows where she
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Speaker 1: goes to school. Now he has her full name, but
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Speaker 1: the boldness to come back again to get her. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've found, through through many years of doing this and
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Speaker 1: being in this line of work, that there's two common
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Speaker 1: things that breed boldness. One we've talked about, which is
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Speaker 1: familiarity with the area, possibly some familiarity with the suspect,
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Speaker 1: but the others experience. I don't doubt for two seconds
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Speaker 1: that this is not this guy's first to you. I
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Speaker 1: don't doubt for two seconds that this guy is a predator,
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Speaker 1: that he's either done this or tipped to do this before,
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Speaker 1: and if he's not stopped, he's gonna do it again. Right,
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Speaker 1: And he's definitely you know what would call on one
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Speaker 1: hand to seductor child molesters. He believes what he's doing
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Speaker 1: is okay. He's calm about it, but he's very psychopathic.
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Speaker 1: He has minimal, if any fear. He puts himself out there.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't get upset if someone confronts him, and very
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Speaker 1: likely you know, multiple multiple victims for everyone that we
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Speaker 1: catch them for. So this is a very emboldened person
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Speaker 1: who you know, didn't do anything to disguise his appearance.
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Speaker 1: He just doesn't care. And that's the downside of the
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Speaker 1: psychopath is they don't care if they get a bullet
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Speaker 1: to the head, go to prison or go free. They
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Speaker 1: live moment to moment to moment. Okay, everything he just
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Speaker 1: said is very scary that they would take a bullet
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Speaker 1: to the head. They don't care. And another thing about
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Speaker 1: his emo to Alie Neil, co founder and director revved
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Speaker 1: Up Kids and revd up kids dot org, you really
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Speaker 1: need to go to that and class kids dot org
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Speaker 1: to find out everything you need to know as a parent. Alie,
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Speaker 1: you hear what Scott Johnson just said. He didn't even
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Speaker 1: bother to disguise his appearance. But he was also using
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Speaker 1: every trick in the book. I mean, hey, little girl,
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Speaker 1: you want some candy, you want to ride, here's some money.
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Speaker 1: It's just the stereotypical child predator. The only thing he
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Speaker 1: didn't say was have you seen my puppy? And his
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Speaker 1: van wasn't white? Right, Yeah, it wasn't didn't have a
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Speaker 1: white van. You're right. Yeah. Reading this story, I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is the classic stranger predator lord that we talked
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Speaker 1: to the kids about all the time. And it's as
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Speaker 1: founding that it still actually works, isn't it? Because you
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Speaker 1: would think every kid in America knows that, or obviously
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Speaker 1: this little girl knew it too, and she was able
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Speaker 1: to run away. She did run away on that first
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Speaker 1: a day. You're right about that, Ali, And to you
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Speaker 1: Mark class fallowing up on what Ali Neil just said
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Speaker 1: from rebbed up kids, she said, you think every kid
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Speaker 1: in America knows this, and they do, but isn't it true? Mark?
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Speaker 1: You can tell your child over and over and over,
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Speaker 1: and they've actually done studies and experiments on children where
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Speaker 1: they tell them and then they let the children go
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Speaker 1: and a stranger comes up and says, hey, I can't
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Speaker 1: find my puppy, and they walk straight up to the car. Mark.
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Speaker 1: They're called lures, Nancy as child lures, and it can
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Speaker 1: be It can be a missing puppy lure, it can
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Speaker 1: be a money lure, it can be a candy lure.
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Speaker 1: It can be a promise to make you famous kind
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Speaker 1: of a lure. These guys are very practiced in these
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Speaker 1: lures and they know exactly what they need to say
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Speaker 1: and what they need to do to get children near them.
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Speaker 1: Now We had a case in the Bay Area over
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago of a little girl named Mitchie Sanchez,
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Speaker 1: who fortunately escaped from her kidnapper. And it turned out
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Speaker 1: that this guy, this taxi driver who had a very
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Speaker 1: pronounced limp, would use that to get children close enough
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Speaker 1: to him so that he could put them in their
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Speaker 1: car in his car and then to take them and
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Speaker 1: murder them. And it went on for years and years
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Speaker 1: and years until Mitchi escaped and they were finally able
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Speaker 1: to put two and two together and bring this monster
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Speaker 1: to justice, and then it stopped. It stopped for another
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Speaker 1: decade in the Bay Area before children started feeling unsafe again.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy, can I just add to what Marcus just saying, Sure,
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Speaker 1: jump in. We are really good as parents at training
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Speaker 1: our kids to be helpful, and the predators do use
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Speaker 1: that because they know kids are trained to be helpful,
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Speaker 1: so asking for help as one of the biggest things
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Speaker 1: they do, Like, Hey, I can't find my puppy. Can
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Speaker 1: I show you a picture of my cat? I'm lost?
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Speaker 1: Where is the Methodist Church? I'm all twisted around? Hey
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Speaker 1: I know your mom, I know you. I saw you
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Speaker 1: playing whatever the kids got on a baseball shirt, hey
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Speaker 1: don't you play baseball? And the child just the same way,
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Speaker 1: they fall for this, even though their parents have told
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Speaker 1: them about these lures their children, and they will go
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Speaker 1: right out after you say don't do this, and it's
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Speaker 1: like fly straight out of their mind like a bird.
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Speaker 1: And the shocking statistic mark class that we learned oh
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Speaker 1: two well with. Here's a good example. Samantha Runyon. I
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Speaker 1: think she was three years old playing in the front
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Speaker 1: yard mark class with her siblings. Grandma was looking out
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Speaker 1: at the kitchen window. A guy pulls up, grabs her
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Speaker 1: out of the front yard. She is dead as soon
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Speaker 1: as he rapes her. She's dead within a couple of hours.
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Speaker 1: Remember that the statistic about how quickly after a child
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Speaker 1: stranger abduction the child will be dead. If they're going
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Speaker 1: to be dead, at three quarters of them will be
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Speaker 1: dead within three hours. If they're going to be dead,
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Speaker 1: I think ninety percent of them or even more than that,
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Speaker 1: will be dead within the first twenty four hours. So basically,
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Speaker 1: these kids are dead as soon as they're snatched. It
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Speaker 1: was exactly the same thing with Paulie, exactly the same thing,
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Speaker 1: and my counsel to any child would be under no circumstances,
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Speaker 1: do you go with that individual? You do whatever is
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Speaker 1: necessary to stay where you are and to stay alive
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Speaker 1: and put the separation between you and the monster. Well,
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Speaker 1: and you know, if we think about the monster, here's
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Speaker 1: the one problem is that when we're talking psychopathic traits
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Speaker 1: of lack of fear, lack of anxiety, this guy doesn't
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Speaker 1: care about his face being known. He can blend into
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Speaker 1: the community, he can be approached by adults and hold
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Speaker 1: his own ground so he looks like he belongs there.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we forget that no matter what we
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Speaker 1: tell kids, this is a person that's probably looking okay,
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Speaker 1: looking like they fit in. They're not threatening at the time.
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Speaker 1: And that's just the problem when we deal with psychopathic
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Speaker 1: or psychopath trade of offenders is that they can just
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Speaker 1: simply look you right in the eye and explain fifteen
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Speaker 1: ways of why it's okay that they're there and you're
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Speaker 1: not concerned, and they can absolutely convince a little child.
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Speaker 1: And the stat mark class just gave you about the
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Speaker 1: child and stranger abductions being dead with him about four hours.
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Speaker 1: I refer to Samantha Runyon and we'll never forget Cherish
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Speaker 1: Perrywinkle who was stolen from a supercenter right under her
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Speaker 1: mother's nose, and within a couple of hours she had
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Speaker 1: been raped and sodomized and murdered. Within just a few hours,
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Speaker 1: it was all over. Now back to this case out
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Speaker 1: of upscale Fort Lauderdale, right near an elementary school one
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Speaker 1: block away. Take a list of to our friends at
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Speaker 1: CBS four. Well, it's truly a disturbing story that we're
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Speaker 1: reporting on this morning, as the police are still looking
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Speaker 1: for a man who tried to kidnap a young girl
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Speaker 1: twice on her way to school. Let's take a look
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Speaker 1: at that surveillance video. Now. The video seeing now is
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Speaker 1: of the incident. You can see the little girl at
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Speaker 1: seven forty one Thursday morning running away from the suspect
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Speaker 1: at Bennett Elementary. Now Here is a screenshot of the
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Speaker 1: man police believe is the suspect, dressed in all black
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Speaker 1: next to this way car with dark hair. He is
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Speaker 1: said to be between twenty five and forty years old.
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Speaker 1: Interesting that he dressed in all black. But there's more.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Eva Pilgrim from GMA.
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Speaker 1: This morning, an urgent search police and for Lauderdale looking
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Speaker 1: for this man who they say, we were a ten
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Speaker 1: year old girl into his van on two separate occasions
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Speaker 1: as she made her way to school, offers her various
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Speaker 1: things to try to bribe her into getting into his vehicle.
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Speaker 1: This was it the first time he approached the same
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Speaker 1: girl on Wednesday, the report, as she walked to Sunrise
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Speaker 1: Middle School. At some point, the suspect exits his vehicle
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Speaker 1: and attempts to grab this ten year old child. She
22:25
Speaker 1: drops her lanyard and the suspect picks it up. The
22:29
Speaker 1: same mail approaches her, but this time he is on foot.
22:32
Speaker 1: He begins to engage in a conversation with her. Scott
22:35
Speaker 1: Johnson joining me, a forensic psychologist. Why do perhaps keep
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Speaker 1: souvenirs of their crimes, Well, they relive it in their head.
22:44
Speaker 1: And every perpetrator that I've interviewed, when we talk about
22:48
Speaker 1: specific victims, they can recall that specific victim, how they smelled,
22:53
Speaker 1: how they reacted, what they did. There's that memory tape
22:57
Speaker 1: of each victim. And so this is a targeted victim.
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Speaker 1: At least at this point, he's got her ID. He's
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Speaker 1: attempted twice, and unfortunately he will likely attempt again at
23:10
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily on the way to school, but
23:13
Speaker 1: somewhere else he's focused on this girl. So now that
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Speaker 1: he's got the ID, he can go home and can
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Speaker 1: I say, masturbate in his head about what he would
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Speaker 1: like to do with this girl. That's why he can
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Speaker 1: come out and do what he does and not care
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Speaker 1: if he gets caught. He's so wrapped up into the
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Speaker 1: pleasure of his plan. Mark class, he's putting it my way.
23:33
Speaker 1: I doubt he masturbated just in his head. He probably
23:37
Speaker 1: held that lanyard, he probably put it on, he probably
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Speaker 1: smelled it, he probably rubbed it on his body. Yeah,
23:44
Speaker 1: it's not a pretty thought, but what's even an eglier thought.
23:48
Speaker 1: It's what he wanted to do to this little girl
23:50
Speaker 1: before statistically he killed her. You know, I have first
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Speaker 1: hand knowledge of only one sexually sadistic psychopath. That's the
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Speaker 1: guy that killed Paulie. And during an interview in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy eight with a psychologist in prison, he said that
24:10
Speaker 1: he masturbates in his cell twice daily thinking about his
24:15
Speaker 1: past victims. So these are the people we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: This is what we're trying to deal with here. We're
24:21
Speaker 1: dealing with the dregs of society and we keep giving
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Speaker 1: him a pass, and I'm quite sure I understand why.
24:28
Speaker 1: And what's so scary about this case is that the
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Speaker 1: guy is still on the run again. Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Our friends at WSVN Fort Lauderdale police on the hunt
24:38
Speaker 1: this Friday for this guy. Surveillance video shows this men
24:42
Speaker 1: tried to lure her into his van before school Thursday.
24:46
Speaker 1: Here's a closer look at the alleged would be kidnapper.
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Speaker 1: Police say he first ran in her direction northeast fifteenth
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Speaker 1: Street and Fort Lauderdale and then turns and heads around
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Speaker 1: the corner. He was wearing all black, black sweater and
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Speaker 1: black pants. He may be wearing glasses. He has short
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Speaker 1: brown hair, and he's between the ages of twenty five
25:05
Speaker 1: and forty years old. That's pretty vague. Between twenty five
25:10
Speaker 1: and forty, Nicole parton, don't they have this guy at
25:12
Speaker 1: Servilla's video? They do, that's correct, and I have looked
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Speaker 1: it over. I know you have two And another interesting
25:19
Speaker 1: thing I noted the second attempt. The second attempt, he's
25:23
Speaker 1: wearing the exact same clothes when interviewed and what witnesses
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Speaker 1: gave to the police. He's still wearing just satly black sweater.
25:31
Speaker 1: This is his mo on his head. He's got the
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Speaker 1: image of how do I do what I do? How
25:37
Speaker 1: do I see myself? What I do? Not uncommon? There's
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Speaker 1: a uniform if you will that he wears that, same clothes,
25:46
Speaker 1: same everything. That's not uncommon. Okay, guys, this is not
25:51
Speaker 1: the first time by far that a child has been
25:55
Speaker 1: targeted by a sex predator. En route to school, Take
26:00
Speaker 1: loosen our friends at primetime, a gray car pulls up.
26:04
Speaker 1: A man rolls down the window and his hand shoots
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Speaker 1: out and I just feel numb. My whole body is tingly.
26:11
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's from. She had been paralyzed
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Speaker 1: by a stun gun. I lost control of my bladder.
26:18
Speaker 1: I wasn't even embarrassed on the ground. The sharp edges
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Speaker 1: of a pine cone are the last thing she touches
26:25
Speaker 1: before she comes to face down on the floor in
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Speaker 1: the backseat of a car. The man behind the wheel
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Speaker 1: is Philip Garrito, a convicted sex offender, supposedly monitored by
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Speaker 1: parole officers and doctors, holding her down on the floor
26:38
Speaker 1: as his wife Nancy. The district attorney believes Nancy scouted
26:43
Speaker 1: this little girl for her husband as a prize. Listen
26:46
Speaker 1: to more from Diane Sawyer. He takes away the pink
26:50
Speaker 1: clothes she dressed in that morning. The only thing she
26:53
Speaker 1: has left is a little ring shaped like a butterfly.
26:56
Speaker 1: She will hide from him for eighteen years. Over her head,
27:01
Speaker 1: he walks her through a small area of grass toward
27:03
Speaker 1: a fence where an opening is concealed by a tarp
27:06
Speaker 1: and hidden behind the fence and deranged collection of sheds
27:09
Speaker 1: and storage units which the people monitoring Garrito would not search.
27:14
Speaker 1: One of them tiny, completely sound proof. He leads her
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Speaker 1: inside and takes out handcuffs, said that they there were
27:22
Speaker 1: the fuzzy kind, so they wouldn't hurt as bad. There
27:26
Speaker 1: was a palette on the floor, and then he said
27:29
Speaker 1: he'd be back later. He was back, many, many times,
27:32
Speaker 1: repeatedly raping her. She gave birth to her captor's children,
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Speaker 1: all under the auspices of his own wife, Nancy Garrito.
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Speaker 1: Listen again. I tried not to cry because I couldn't
27:47
Speaker 1: wipe them away or you know, and the naked itchy
27:51
Speaker 1: And at one point she made a note to remember
27:54
Speaker 1: the sound of the train so it would help her
27:56
Speaker 1: mom find her. I was so lonely, I felt so alone.
28:02
Speaker 1: Have you seen Ja c Lee Dugard and one's twenty
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Speaker 1: miles away. The mother who loves her and will never
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Speaker 1: give up, goes on television to make her first plea.
28:12
Speaker 1: It's pretty young, innocent child. Friends have been searching all
28:17
Speaker 1: day and evening police started searching the neighborhood. Police set
28:21
Speaker 1: up a roadblock and go door to door. Her classmates
28:24
Speaker 1: are out in the streets holding up signs. All that occurring,
28:28
Speaker 1: but nothing could help. Seemingly fine jac Duker, but she
28:34
Speaker 1: was ultimately found many many years later, found alive with
28:40
Speaker 1: her children. And of course there's a case Aleanna DeFries
28:47
Speaker 1: Pleveland Police are asking for your help to find an
28:49
Speaker 1: endangered missing teenager this morning, So take a good look
28:53
Speaker 1: at her picture. Alanna de Friese was last seeing yesterday
28:56
Speaker 1: near East one hundred forty ninth Street. She was boarding
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Speaker 1: a bus for school, but then never showed up at school.
29:03
Speaker 1: Police say she suffers from mental health issues. Anyone with
29:07
Speaker 1: information is asked to call police immediately. The walk from
29:11
Speaker 1: Eliah's home just a few blocks away from her bus stop.
29:14
Speaker 1: To walk from her house to the school bus stop,
29:17
Speaker 1: it's not long to Frieze was a team that's true,
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Speaker 1: but that she had the mind of a little girl.
29:24
Speaker 1: She was mentally disabled. You're hearing our friends at WKYC
29:30
Speaker 1: and WNDU. Her case did not end as jc's did. Listen.
29:39
Speaker 1: Cleveland police are trying to figure out who would murder
29:41
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl. It is now confirmed that
29:44
Speaker 1: the body of Aleana de Frieze was found in a
29:46
Speaker 1: vacant home earlier this week. Tiffany Tarpley joins us from
29:49
Speaker 1: the newsroom. Now and Tiffany, investigators had to use DNA,
29:53
Speaker 1: had to use DNA to identify her and once again
29:56
Speaker 1: mark class just like the little Fort Lauderdale girl. She
30:00
Speaker 1: was on her way to school. Well, so many of
30:03
Speaker 1: them are on their way to school. So why don't
30:07
Speaker 1: we have safe houses on every block on these school routes.
30:11
Speaker 1: Why don't people go on to their state's Megan Law
30:14
Speaker 1: website to see what predators may actually or sex offenders
30:18
Speaker 1: may actually live along those school routes so they can
30:22
Speaker 1: deal with that appropriately. Why don't we take the steps
30:26
Speaker 1: that are necessary to mitigate stranger abduction in the United
30:30
Speaker 1: States When we know exactly what we need to do,
30:33
Speaker 1: we know exactly where we need to do it. We
30:36
Speaker 1: know who the victims are and we know who the
30:38
Speaker 1: culprits are. So I think it's time to arm ourselves
30:42
Speaker 1: as Americans and do what we did back in the
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties and early two thousands, and that's take steps
30:48
Speaker 1: to protect the children in America from the predatory nature
30:52
Speaker 1: of these horrible, monstrous criminals. Crime stories. With Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Alimeil joining us kids along with Mark Class, I want
31:16
Speaker 1: you to listen to this Ali speaking of the bold
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Speaker 1: nature of the Fort Lauderdale predator, takeles and our friends
31:25
Speaker 1: at New six. You can see the man as he
31:28
Speaker 1: runs out of that van there and then tried to
31:31
Speaker 1: grab the girl early yesterday, but she fought back, sending
31:34
Speaker 1: the would be kidnapper tumbling to the ground, and then
31:37
Speaker 1: he eventually runs away. Several hours later, deputy say they
31:41
Speaker 1: found the suspect partially covered in blue slime, which the
31:45
Speaker 1: child was playing with when the ambush happened. You saw
31:50
Speaker 1: the blue goo, the slime that's on the suspect that
31:54
Speaker 1: the victim had. You're not kidding anyone. We know who
31:58
Speaker 1: you are, we know you're an animal, and we also
32:00
Speaker 1: know you're under arrest. Deputy's arrested thirty year old Jared Stanga.
32:05
Speaker 1: They say he approached the same girl just two weeks ago.
32:09
Speaker 1: Yesterday was the child's first time at the bus stop
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Speaker 1: by herself since that encounter. What is he gonna do
32:15
Speaker 1: with me? Where's gonna play? Where is he gonna Where
32:18
Speaker 1: am I gonna be? What is my feelingly going to think? Scared? Anxious?
32:22
Speaker 1: A man came out of the car and he had
32:25
Speaker 1: a knife in his hand. I tried running golf with
32:28
Speaker 1: then he got me. He took me with his arm
32:33
Speaker 1: and I was able to get him down to the
32:35
Speaker 1: groune and I was able to get away. You were
32:39
Speaker 1: hearing Alyssa's description of how she got away, and also
32:42
Speaker 1: we're hearing Nicole parton that the same predator had tried
32:46
Speaker 1: to kidnap her from the bus stop two weeks before
32:50
Speaker 1: and he couldn't do it. He came back, just like
32:54
Speaker 1: in the case off Fort Lauderdale. Absolutely, and again we're
32:58
Speaker 1: seeing just how bold these perps are. They are relentless
33:03
Speaker 1: to come back for victims. As had been said, they
33:06
Speaker 1: are targeting these school areas. They've been there, They've been
33:10
Speaker 1: watching our little ones. I have an almost ten year
33:13
Speaker 1: old son. He was mad at me a couple of
33:15
Speaker 1: weeks ago because I wouldn't let him walk to the
33:17
Speaker 1: end of the block for a community soccer game. But
33:21
Speaker 1: we have to safeguard our kids. These people are out
33:23
Speaker 1: there and they are watching. Yeah, you know, Mark Klass,
33:26
Speaker 1: My daughter asked me all the time, am I ever
33:29
Speaker 1: going to get to go on a walk alone? And
33:33
Speaker 1: she looks at me like I'm the devil. I'm like, sure,
33:36
Speaker 1: you've been going to walk alone right now? And then
33:39
Speaker 1: of course I have to trail her, you know, at
33:42
Speaker 1: a discreet distance as she can't see me, and get
33:45
Speaker 1: my husband to pick her up on the back end.
33:47
Speaker 1: And it's just like because of cases just like this,
33:51
Speaker 1: what do you think, Mark, of the guy coming back
33:55
Speaker 1: the second time, not just for Alyssa, but in this case,
33:58
Speaker 1: well stocking, isn't it, Nancy. I mean, that's what they're
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Speaker 1: doing to these kids. In Paulie's case, the guy's stalked
34:05
Speaker 1: her apparently for some period of time before he finally
34:09
Speaker 1: set upon the plan to kidnap her. You know, these
34:11
Speaker 1: guys are opportunists, they're monsters. They'll do whatever they need
34:16
Speaker 1: to do to get their prey. And I don't think
34:20
Speaker 1: that they're fearless about it. I think that they're very
34:22
Speaker 1: concerned about themselves. I think they want to stay on
34:24
Speaker 1: the street so they can continue to prey on little kids.
34:28
Speaker 1: And I also think, Nancy, that in our society now,
34:32
Speaker 1: we put the burden of the child's safety on the
34:34
Speaker 1: shoulders of the children themselves, and it shouldn't be that way.
34:38
Speaker 1: We're the adults, we're the responsible ones. We're the ones
34:41
Speaker 1: that should be taking the steps necessary to protect our kids.
34:45
Speaker 1: Some of the things that we've talked about before, surveillance,
34:49
Speaker 1: better sentencing for these characters. Philip Garrito was in It
34:53
Speaker 1: was in prison for horrible crimes before he got out
34:56
Speaker 1: early so that he could attack jac Gardenholder prisoner for
35:01
Speaker 1: eighteen years. We identify them, we know who they are,
35:05
Speaker 1: but we give them a second pass, and a third
35:07
Speaker 1: pass and a fourth pass until absolute tragedy ensues and
35:11
Speaker 1: then nobody wins. Can I add to that? Sure, I
35:14
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree that adults should take responsibility for protecting the children.
35:21
Speaker 1: But the story you just played, that little girl was scrappy,
35:28
Speaker 1: and she fought back and she got away. And I
35:32
Speaker 1: think it's also important for us to arm the children
35:35
Speaker 1: with those kind of tools so that they know how
35:40
Speaker 1: to respond to somebody's grabbing them, and they know that
35:42
Speaker 1: even if this person is bigger and stronger, I can
35:46
Speaker 1: do something to hurt them enough to get them to
35:48
Speaker 1: let go of me so I can escape to safety.
35:51
Speaker 1: So I agree that I think it needs to be
35:54
Speaker 1: this multi layered approach that includes everybody in the conversation,
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Speaker 1: including the children. And you can find those tips at
36:03
Speaker 1: Revved Up Kids online and at class Kids Now. One
36:08
Speaker 1: big difference James shell Nutt joining me is the Alyssa
36:12
Speaker 1: girl who was at the bus stop and managed to
36:14
Speaker 1: somehow get blue slime on her kidnapper. She told her
36:20
Speaker 1: parents the day that it first happened, and for two weeks,
36:24
Speaker 1: her dad, I believe it was her dad, Jack would
36:27
Speaker 1: take her and sit there until the bus came, and
36:30
Speaker 1: finally they thought, well, okay, he's not coming back. One day.
36:34
Speaker 1: This is the first day she goes back and he
36:37
Speaker 1: comes back to try to kidnaper. That's not a coincidence,
36:40
Speaker 1: shell Nutt. No, No, this guy, this guy's for me
36:42
Speaker 1: with the area. You know this guy, this is a
36:44
Speaker 1: core area for this guy. I mean, he's been there before.
36:47
Speaker 1: He either knows somebody, he couldn't even be working in
36:49
Speaker 1: conjunction with somebody there with another predator. He knows what's
36:53
Speaker 1: going on in this area. He watched the dad sit
36:55
Speaker 1: there in the minute he's gone. He's like a fox
36:57
Speaker 1: when the hen house is not guarded and he goes
36:59
Speaker 1: in and praise on this little girl and Nicole Parton
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Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. This little
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Speaker 1: girl in Fort Lauderdale. On the first day when the
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Speaker 1: guy pursued her and got her lanyard, she did not
37:11
Speaker 1: mention it to her parents. That's correct. So we're being
37:14
Speaker 1: told that she mentioned it at school, but she did
37:17
Speaker 1: not mention it to her parents until the second day
37:20
Speaker 1: when it happened again. You know what's interesting, and we
37:23
Speaker 1: may wonder, oh, why was she afraid to tell her parents?
37:26
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't really necessarily buy into that.
37:30
Speaker 1: To Scott Johnson forensic psychologists, it's a funny thing what
37:35
Speaker 1: stands out in children's minds, Like I'll say, what happened
37:39
Speaker 1: at school, Jake, nothing? And then I go, well, what
37:41
Speaker 1: happened on your math test? And then they tell me that,
37:44
Speaker 1: and they go, well, what happened with that mean girl?
37:46
Speaker 1: And then they'll tell me that, I'll say we did
37:48
Speaker 1: so and so get kicked out for cheating, and then
37:51
Speaker 1: they'll tell me that big thing happened. Things do happen,
37:54
Speaker 1: and they just don't think the way adults think. Scott, right,
37:58
Speaker 1: and we may need to ask better question just like
38:01
Speaker 1: you did, you know, how was your day at school?
38:03
Speaker 1: And then specifically what about Jim class? What about lunch?
38:06
Speaker 1: And kids are innocent, they don't always know what's important
38:09
Speaker 1: or not important. However, they may also have shame or
38:12
Speaker 1: fear about what happened because it was a scary new situation.
38:16
Speaker 1: But you know, for parents to reach out and certainly
38:20
Speaker 1: to recognize if your kids are acting a little different,
38:23
Speaker 1: I don't care how little different, talk to them about that.
38:27
Speaker 1: But what concerns me about this is if the school,
38:30
Speaker 1: if she told school officials, you know whether or not
38:33
Speaker 1: they one or a parium, because that's a piece that
38:38
Speaker 1: would really well, I want to say, piss me off.
38:40
Speaker 1: Is that if they didn't call the police and the parents,
38:44
Speaker 1: and not only that, Scott Johnson, an email and text
38:47
Speaker 1: should have gone out to every single parent of that
38:49
Speaker 1: school incident. So Nicole parton what happened on the second
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Speaker 1: attempt On the second attempt, she's again seven forty am.
39:00
Speaker 1: She's on the same street. She's walking to school, and
39:03
Speaker 1: he approaches her on foot, this time no vehicle. He
39:07
Speaker 1: approaches her on foot and says to her, Hey, it's me.
39:11
Speaker 1: You didn't get your candy yesterday. Do you want your
39:14
Speaker 1: candy today? She starts to run. She says no, and
39:19
Speaker 1: thank god, there is someone watching who walks up and says,
39:23
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and says to the little girl, do
39:25
Speaker 1: you know this guy? And the little girl says no,
39:28
Speaker 1: and that the gentleman says the perk says, oh yeah,
39:30
Speaker 1: I'm her grandfather, and the bystander says to the little girl, run,
39:35
Speaker 1: run as fast as you can, get out of here.
39:36
Speaker 1: And the little girl runs to the nearby elementary school
39:39
Speaker 1: and gets away from him. Get again, this guy on
39:43
Speaker 1: the lamb. He has not been caught. He didn't get
39:46
Speaker 1: this little girl this time, but this guy is not
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Speaker 1: giving up. Hear me. Thirty to forty years old, white male,
39:55
Speaker 1: five ten to six feet, brown hair, believes it can
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Speaker 1: be passed off as the grandfather. Tipline nine five four
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.