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Episode 64 Part I feat. Julian Guilarte - AL East being competitive, Mets and Yankees off-seasons, the pitching market · Sports Avenue Twisted Podcast

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  Welcome Music to another edition of the Sports Ave.
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  Twisted podcast. We have the special guest in
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  here. He's a good friend of ours and
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  we've been in on his show as well, and we would love to
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  welcome him back. June Giarte Welcome back, man.
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  Reintroduce to yourself and just let everybody else know what you
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  do. Thanks for having me and you
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  know, we have some fun playoff podcast somebody dismay with the
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  Blue Jays being the Yankees. But we did it and I was a good
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  sport about it. But it's kind of because of what
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  I was. I expected it kinds of.
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  I guess that's part of the reason I wasn't that surprised,
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  unfortunately, but I'm happy to be back.
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  We have some new stuff to discuss, including our teams and
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  other teams. It's been an interesting
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  offseason. I can't say it's been a good one
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  for the Yankees or Mets, but it's been.
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  It's an offseason though, and Scott Boris is holding up the
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  players with a slow crawl, so who knows what's going to
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  happen. But I am a little surprised at
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  the pace because I thought we'd get a faster offseason in
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  certain areas and it just hasn't been the case.
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  The winter meetings was very dull compared to what it's been
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  in the past when I've gone also. You might want to thank the Blue
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  Jays for slowing things down, at least on the pitching side of
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  things. But.
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  We'll. Talk about that a little more,
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  you know, later on, right? But yeah, welcome back, man.
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  How you been? It's it's great to have you
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  back, man. Well, it's been an interesting
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  offseason. You know, I went to the Arizona
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  Fall League and I've been doing some other contents to keep
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  myself busy on the channel, like trying to get my podcast going a
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  little bit more. So I've been trying to record
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  like twice a week. I'm still working for a Latino
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  sports world based one. I was writing some stories too.
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  So there's been a lot of activity in terms of that, a lot
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  of this more speculating and definitive stuff.
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  Unfortunately, for the most part, it's all season.
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  Good stuff, man. It's, it's good that you're
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  keeping busy even though, you know, the offseason hasn't been
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  moving so fast. But it's it's awesome to have
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  you back, man. Yeah, I'm happy to be back too.
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  I know it's will be a fun discussion and I want to see
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  your takes on stuff like maybe you'll give me some new
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  viewpoints I haven't considered yet in terms of the Yankees or
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  the Mets or how you see all this going.
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  But. And then the stuff with the Blue
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  Jays with Tucker and Bichette and Bragen being added as a
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  third layer. But I think it's going to be a
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  great show. We always have these good
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  collabs. So how do you guys want to start
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  it? Let's do this man, Ben, there's
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  so much we have to talk about here and like you said, you
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  mentioned certain topic. We got so much to dissect upon,
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  but let's let's let this thing starting here.
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  So let's let's talk about the AL ES for what sake and how active
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  it's been. I mean, I mean, Yankees, we'll,
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  we'll get to that at some point. We could talk about well.
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  It's been active with four teams, another.
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  Team right, Right. Correct, we not so re signing
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  their players. So let me ask you this, Julian.
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  So looking at the AL ES, it's become a juggernauts all all
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  over again, obviously, and it's been the toughest.
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  Division for. So many years and it seems like
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  it's not going to slow down anytime soon unless they have
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  this new alignment coming up in the next CBA.
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  We'll see. But what has surprised you in
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  the AL ES team? This active with four of the
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  five teams to say the least. OK, I'd say I'm a little bit
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  surprised with Baltimore because like where it was this last year
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  when we were looking for it and it seems like they're a year
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  away to the party, but now they're willing to spend money
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  after they realize the abomination of what they tried
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  to do last year. So I would say the Orioles were
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  the most surprising thing probably if I started the
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  offseason, though, the Blake slate, not when it happened
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  because I kind of hinted that it was getting close to happening,
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  but it's definitely be the lawns are going to Baltimore.
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  It's definitely the biggest surprise.
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  Like if you brought me back in time, like when the season was
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  over, I would not have thought that was even a possibility.
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  Yeah, I didn't think it was either.
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  I was. That's the move that surprised
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  me the most. But I've said before, I don't
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  think it matters unless they add pitching.
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  I really don't. I don't.
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  Yeah. It's the one thing they need to
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  do right? Yeah, I think they've added some
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  pitching. Like you look at Shane Boss,
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  that could be a high upside play.
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  They gave up a lot for him. They gave up Grayson Rodriguez
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  with Taylor War helps her off. And so I thought that was a
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  really bad trade, honestly, But we'll see.
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  And then like they added F when they've had him before, so it's
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  not that new. So we'll see how he looks, but
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  that will be like the 5th or 4th starter.
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  Yeah, they can still use like a Framber Valdez or right or maybe
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  even in my can they be a dark horse for my.
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  I didn't bring that up today, but I showed up on my show.
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  I didn't mention the Orioles, but I wouldn't I wouldn't be
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  shocked if they were in there talking to him.
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  I don't know if we'll actually get him, but they do have a need
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  and it might be lower pricing than SWAT then Ranger or Valdez
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  would be. I guess we'll have to see how
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  that looks, but the Orioles has definitely had the most
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  surprising offseason. I mean, Helsley's an interesting
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  gamble. We'll see if he can return to
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  himself and they've done a lot, honestly, so we'll see how they
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  progress. I know they don't have Felix
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  bots East and still, so that's probably behind the Helsley
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  signing, but they've been surprising.
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  Tampa Bay hasn't been that surprising.
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  I'm not surprised Brandon Wow got traded.
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  I would be shocked if they got Marte because I wasn't expecting
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  that in the beginning of the offseason.
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  But there's definitely a position together if they want
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  to. We'll see if they end up doing
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  that. The Red Sox, I'm surprised they
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  haven't signed a free agent. All their work is coming through
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  trades or they're obviously fine.
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  Blue. And then the article you sent
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  me, what Katie Wu was talking about.
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  They might they not might they might not be done working
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  together because Brendan Donovan's being talked about to
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  go to Boston now, which I think will be an awkward fake kinds
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  of. But if they don't get Bregman
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  back, I guess it kind of makes sense.
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  Which they might not. Maybe JoJo Romero goes somewhere
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  too. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends
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  up going to Boston too at this point.
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  I mean, why not? And Nolan Arenado is still on
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  the standstill. And the Cardinals saying they
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  absolutely can't release him reads as desperation to me as
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  they're going to try not to, but they might end up ultimately
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  having to because I don't think he's going to open the season
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  with them. Even if he has to get caught.
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  I think they'll finally do it. I think with Toronto being this
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  aggressive, this early giving village sees that contract and
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  Julian we talked behind closed doors about this thinking that
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  maybe they they would have gone with the trade route because
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  Ross Atkins said in the presser that they were active and the
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  trademark was starting pitching. But it seems like they went on a
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  different direction and his side building seats for that
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  intermountable amount of money, which shocked me because one
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  nobody expects cease to be a blue Jay.
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  That really came, that really came out of nowhere.
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  They're fucking stupid, man. You're fucking stupid.
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  You want my opinion on it? It's dumb, man.
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  They give them all that money. I'm sorry.
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  I, I, I might, I might be the only blue, the only guy, the
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  only fan in Blue Jays land that probably doesn't like that deal
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  and I just don't like it. I don't know what to.
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  Like it that much either. I don't like it for the amount
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  of money that was given. Like if you could have told me
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  it was a four or five year deal, I could have lived with a 7.2
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  tens huge bust potential. But it also could be a good hey,
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  and maybe if it's good in the beginning, it's good enough to
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  get them a World Series that well, that's possible and you
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  take it every time. But I was surprised at the
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  number just because of how bad he was last year.
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  Yeah, I'm not expected to be that high.
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  I think I had him priced way below.
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  I had him under 100 million. So I was completely off,
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  obviously. I think I had him as like the
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  4th ranked pitcher, third maybe behind me, my and Valdez,
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  probably somewhere in that. Ranger Suarez, Zach Gallantier.
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  But you know what to think about that.
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  Go ahead, Rocky, Go ahead. No, I'll just say the thing
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  about that. Those guys are still free
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  agents. And this is my issue with Framer
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  Valdez. So clubhouse culture has put a
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  massive dent to that for for its free agency.
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  Because if you think about that, you saw with the whole thing
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  with the dating altercation with with one of his teammates,
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  calling out his teammates and not doing better defensively
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  instead of putting himself under under pressure or under blame.
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  And the fact that that kind of puts a real dent or it hurts his
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  value knowing that he's 32. Good luck tied to pitcher.
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  But I would I don't know with him with the Blue Jays.
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  I think Klubo's culture matters drastically if they believe with
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  Dylan sees. I know Dylan sees talked to
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  Gozman and yes, I get the dollars.
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  And I was told that the Cubs were actually a done deal with
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  the with the with seas. But.
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  Toronto Cubs too. Yeah, I was.
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  Told Cubs. I was told the Cubs had a deal
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  done. Surprised me, you know?
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  Yeah, because the Cubs drafted him in 15 or 16 whenever.
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  Yeah, and they tried to trade for him and they tried to sign
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  him. And now, now that he's AJ, it
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  seems like. Well, one thing I'll say about
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  Toronto, I do not question the way they find pitching.
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  They've done extremely well. I know, Rob, you probably
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  questioned that I get in a year, but knowing this organized, look
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  at what they've done track record wise over the last decade
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  plus. They've done Marco Estrada
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  great. Jay Hapwood, runner up for Sally
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  Young. Robbie Ray, probably the worst
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  pitcher in 2020, became a Sally Young winner in 21.
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  Like the track record, it's ultimately there.
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  It's the question how you're going to do with Dylan Seats and
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  how that. Even Dickey gave him some good
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  years too man and not true. Right.
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  That's what I'm trying to tell you.
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  Pete Walker, Pete Walker and Shane Green are going to work
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  with them and he's going to have to eliminate some pitches, too.
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  And how? And they needed power pitching.
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  I mean, he's he just turned 30. So the power is going to be
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  there for at least three to four years talks, right?
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  We'll see what happens when he gets to mid 30.
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  But I think that's my guess. That's my speculation.
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  We'll see because long term contracts do not age well.
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  You can you can even allude to this with Rodo and Freed and and
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  coal, right? And we're going to get to the
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  Yankees at some point. But the one trade that shocked
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  me was Shane Boz. That package, yes, they gave up
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  with ridiculous to me. And to think about.
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  They say rays don't do trades, but when you do trades like
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  that, knowing that they're trying to replenish the farm and
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  trying to build two or three years down the road, these guys
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  could be weird. That's later the bird could be.
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  A really good draft pick too. Like they got like a 33rd
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  correct? 4th pick yes yeah, so.
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  Yeah, so they get compensated with all that, get more draft
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  pool money. And now, now they're traded
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  Brandon Loud to call up Carson Williams or Braden Taylor.
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  They got Xavier Isaac on the horizon.
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  I know he went through some sort of injury or some sort of health
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  issue, but he should be up at some point.
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  And they're going to trade Yan Diaz and get a good haul in
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  return. This is their stock.
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  This is the rate. This is what worries me long
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  term. And they and they are building
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  for the. Oh yeah, they as the catcher of
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  the future too, just to say the least about that.
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  So they they did their work. So because they're going to
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  build around Junior Caminero, he's their guy of the future,
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  right? So I mean, he's the guy.
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  So we'll see. We'll see what they, what it
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  what they. Do.
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  But yeah, this. So let me ask you guys this.
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  What has Shane Baz done his career to warrant a deal of that
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  type? That's what I'm trying to tell
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  you. Like the?
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  Absolutely. Right, right.
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  Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all.
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  You know, I'm not high on that. I had never have been.
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  And they go out and they give it to these to be high.
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  On him, but like that's too much.
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  Like he's been very high and. Cold Yeah.
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  He hasn't been consistent upon my liking because The thing is
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  like, when was his best season? I can't even recall it.
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  And I get it like a lot of people say.
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  That's what I'm saying. Dylan Sees had two to three good
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  seasons in his career. He had a couple bad seasons, but
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  he had better good seasons than bad seasons compared to Shane
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  Boz. Yeah.
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  You know, he doesn't really have like the resume that you look
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  for. That's.
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  What the years does? He have under control what's his
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  years. Let me try the yeah 3 or 4.
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  That's that's probably what you're paying for, but even then
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  that's too high pre. Agent 2029.
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  So you're looking at three, I guess, Suppose 262728.
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  So you know. And that's another problem, too.
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  Like it's going to mess up the starting pitching market because
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  the Orioles. Are correct.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  That's what I'm saying. We're going to talk about the
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  trademark. But Rob, let me ask you a
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  question before we get to the next question here.
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  Who would you rather do? What would you rather do?
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  Would you do the Shane boss trade or is that the sign Dylan
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  sees? Signed L and sees because it's
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  just money, definitely. Signed L and sees, yeah.
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  Yeah, it's the money factor. I know they lose 2 draft picks
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  but the Jays farm is pretty static.
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  It's just money, man, It's just money.
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  And yeah, OK, it goes against whatever could be bad in the
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  end. But I mean, like Julia
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  mentioned, he wasn't good last year.
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  Two of his last three seasons haven't been good.
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  The guy gives up a lot of home runs.
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  You know, he strikes out a lot of guys, no doubt about that,
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  like. I think that means a big upside
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  is. There, but but when you're
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  giving up all that money, man, you should.
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  You're not paying for upside. You know, you're you're you're
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  paying for ceiling. You're paying for ceiling.
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  Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
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  So you. I have to see what, what?
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  What? It is a move that shows they're
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  serious about contending again. They really want to reforce what
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  they did and like. I thought the Ponce move could
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  be a savvy move. Oh, I love that move.
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  Yeah, I like that move more than the more than the cease move.
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  Man, to be honest, I really love that.
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  Move. And the move and also.
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  Was good too, yeah. Oh, yeah, Tyler Rogers with a
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  shock to me too, because I I was told that Pete Fairbanks had
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  mutual interest with the Jays, but I don't know if they felt
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  they had they gave him the number that he was asking for.
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  That's like, I think he decided to go to the Marlins, right.
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  So with Rogers, I think it's because of his his delivery.
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  They were saying like your savage pitches and then Rodgers
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  would be the first guy to come off the pen.
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  It was a good luck trying to figure out where to pitch,
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  right? That's the thing, right?
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  So and. I saw like some videos of
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  putting them over lane together. I was like, how the hell isn't
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  even going to figure this out? I think I showed it to you.
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  I was like, yeah, it's going to be a problem.
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  Yeah, Ponce, I could have some upside.
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  Like we have seen some KBO guys get fixed.
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  I definitely don't see steel either because, like, it was
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  definitely too much money. Like I like the fact that he was
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  added but not for like the contract that was given to him
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  if that makes sense. Yeah, they overpaid for them.
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  I agree with that. It's just that they Jay's front
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  office value pitching. So I don't.
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  We'll see. We'll see how.
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  I'll say that, Rocky, they they can hit that ceiling with him.
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  You. Know.
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  Yeah, I think so. With Pete Walker, absolutely.
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  It's it's possible and you know, maybe, you know, like maybe.
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  You want to talk to Gozman and Gozman and Beaver, the veteran
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  guy did that in that staff, too, right?
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  Like like went back shares are bringing that veteran element to
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  a table. The Cobalt.
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  I think that played a huge part of where the Jays went.
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  Like, but now you have gods and a Bieber who's been successful
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  guys in the rotation, right. Beavers want to saw young so he
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  knows the track. So I think those things played a
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  factor. We'll see.
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  We'll see how it goes because I have to see what else the Jade
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  do. So you talk about the Yankees
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  and the Mets, since you cover them, Julian, what's going on
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  with them in their unusual off seasons?
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  You know, you see, you see what the Yankees are doing.
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  You have Cody Bellinger, who's a free agent.
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  Like, are they bringing him back?
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  Do they want to bring him back? You got the Mets.
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  Are they going after Framber? You know, just tell us what's
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  going on there with those with those teams.
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  Well, I mean, it's more about what isn't going on than what
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  is, unfortunately for both teams.
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  But I'll tell you like what I think and like I will tell you
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  what I would do in terms of what they would do.
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  But I think the Yankees will get Ballinger back probably just
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  because like, if you want the Mets really want him, I think
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  they would have had him by now. The Mets aren't coming in over
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  the top to take Ballinger, I don't think.
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  I think the Yankees are going to work it out.
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  And Boris is doing his normal slow crawl like he's looking for
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  six or seven years. The Yankees are probably a four
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  or five. Like I think that will get
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  settled now. Does that make me super excited?
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  No, it doesn't because it's really running back the same
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  exact team that failed last year offensively, which I don't want
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  to do. It looks like they're content
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  with doing #1 and then like there's no movement on like
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  Tucker, which is upsetting to me because I feel like he's a
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  better player than Bellinger. There's nothing on but chef with
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  the Yankees. I think it's all just fan
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  fiction. The fans want it, but there's
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  nothing actually there. Obviously, like I spoke about
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  how that could look, but it's not even worth getting into.
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  It was just not going to happen. And then like their pitching has
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  been dull to they haven't really added much.
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  Like, yeah, they're starting rotations.
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  Good. I'd like to see them connected
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  to him. I like it's been odd because
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  you've seen some people connect up.
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  And then Jack Curry, who the best Yankee person is, says that
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  there's no connection. So I'm going to have to trust
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  him or any others on that, unfortunately.
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  But could they be doing it quietly?
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  Like if it's price craters? Like the article was so
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  mysterious too, because there was just like teams met with am
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  I what teams? And then they said teams are
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  going to meet with him again, like, which teams are going to
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  be with them? But why do we not know, like,
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  who's meeting with this guy? Like, this is the weirdest thing
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  ever. And Okamoto kind of, and Okamoto
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  is kind of similar to, except you're hearing some of the
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  pirates and Angels and like his suitors are kind of starting to
• 18:35
  emerge. And like I said on my show, I
• 18:37
  also heard the A's and Giants are involved with Okamoto and
• 18:40
  see if there's anything that happens there.
• 18:43
  But like in my situation has been so puzzling to me.
• 18:46
  And yeah, I get he's not going Moto and like it's probably
• 18:49
  looking at half the deal, maybe less, but he's still 27.
• 18:52
  There still could be some middle rotation to maybe second starter
• 18:56
  upside. Like one of my scout friends
• 18:57
  said, he's kind of like you my if that makes sense.
• 18:59
  Like more like, you know, I'm sorry, more like Imanaga then.
• 19:04
  There we go. That's heard that comp before.
• 19:07
  Which isn't bad either. It's still like a two or three
• 19:10
  depending on like how well he looks.
• 19:11
  And that's that's useful for rotational tap.
• 19:14
  I would like the Yankees to sign in because you can never have
• 19:16
  enough starting pitching, as you guys know.
• 19:18
  And then the Yankees could trade from their rotation at that
• 19:21
  point if they did sign him and maybe get some extra bats to
• 19:24
  like change something. I'm still curious about Brendan
• 19:28
  Donovan because he hasn't been moved.
• 19:29
  So I know the Yankees were waiting turn to win their
• 19:31
  meetings. I haven't heard much since.
• 19:32
  I know the Yankees have been linked to Alcantara and or Edwin
• 19:35
  Cabrera. I think more towards Sandy, but
• 19:37
  I don't think a deals going to come together.
• 19:39
  I know you brought up some stuff about Freddy Peralta.
• 19:42
  I heard there could be a match. But then you see you had your
• 19:44
  guy Jay Jack's not a city. It's not going to get moved.
• 19:46
  So I don't know. And then there's another target,
• 19:50
  Mackenzie Gore. I keep seeing link with the
• 19:52
  Yankees too. I guess it's been going on for a
• 19:54
  while, but right it's all a bunch of speculation with the
• 19:58
  Mets. Like the Mets to me, like I feel
• 20:01
  like they could get Valtez but they want to do it on their
• 20:03
  terms. Like they don't want to overpay
• 20:05
  for him. I wonder if they try to explore
• 20:07
  for all so I can see the Mets getting gallon of the Angels
• 20:10
  some kind of maybe that might fit their more.
• 20:12
  That's interesting. Maybe they could trade someone
• 20:16
  we're not thinking about too what?
• 20:17
  About a Mitch Keller. Or something.
• 20:19
  Yeah, that's not a bad option for either team, honestly.
• 20:22
  And the Yankees and Pirates have done a bunch of trades, so
• 20:25
  that's actually not a bad one. I should bring that up next
• 20:28
  time. So I appreciate you for that.
• 20:30
  But the Mets, like I I think one of the teams might get Austin
• 20:34
  Hayes too, whichever teams. Again, Bellinger might end up
• 20:36
  getting Austin Hayes. So he's more of a righty platoon
• 20:40
  option, but he's still decent. He can get some things done.
• 20:44
  It's just like the outfield market so thin after Tucker and
• 20:47
  Ballinger. Like then you're looking at
• 20:48
  Bather and Hayes basically and not much else.
• 20:51
  So the Mets need starting pitching still at the front and
• 20:56
  they need a left fields or a first baseman because I don't
• 20:58
  think Jorge Polanco should be a full time first baseman and him
• 21:02
  but two and Lamarck Vientos doesn't exactly inspire me
• 21:04
  either. So I would definitely look for a
• 21:07
  player first baseman for them, someone, although they're not in
• 21:10
  Okamoto, apparently, which I find interesting because he
• 21:13
  actually might have been a good fit for them, but they're not
• 21:16
  going to do it, I guess. And then for outfield, it's kind
• 21:20
  of tricky because like the options, like I said, they're
• 21:22
  not that many and they're not going to pay for Tucker, I don't
• 21:24
  think. Maybe they do surprise us and
• 21:26
  get balance. Right now they're interested,
• 21:28
  but it's taking a while. Like the Mets normally handle
• 21:31
  their business quicker than this if they want to sign a free
• 21:33
  agent. Well, if we look at it this way,
• 21:38
  like you said, did you see the report today about the school
• 21:41
  board? I wonder, and I don't know if he
• 21:45
  gets straight, I doubt it, but I don't think so either.
• 21:49
  But thinking that, you know, he's going to try to touch the
• 21:52
  market next off, that's a given. But if there's one last run
• 21:57
  that. Yeah.
• 21:58
  And that's the thing. So I remember when 2015 when the
• 22:00
  Blue Jays acquired David Price for the Detroit Tigers and they
• 22:04
  were eight games out of first place against you guys, of
• 22:07
  course. And Alex went reckless and he
• 22:10
  knew that that was his last go around at the JHD.
• 22:13
  So he just went all out and you know, it paid off because if it
• 22:17
  worked for that run, I don't know where the Blue Jays will be
• 22:19
  at today. So I wonder if there is a team
• 22:21
  like that at the trade deadline for school because the School
• 22:24
  Report. Just maybe.
• 22:27
  Yeah, and to me, the two teams are going to be front centered
• 22:30
  for school next last season are the Dodgers and the Mets the way
• 22:32
  it's. Yeah, Heyman's right on that.
• 22:35
  I saw some of them and stuff today, Like what he was saying
• 22:37
  it's definitely Mets and Dodgers because those are the only two
• 22:40
  teams that have the appetite to pay and what he's looking for,
• 22:43
  Like the Mets will pay for a big time starting pitcher that's
• 22:46
  younger than I. They don't want to overpay for a
• 22:48
  pitcher because like, they don't want to have a bad contract,
• 22:51
  which I get, but I also bit them in the ass last year.
• 22:54
  So I thought they might change the approach.
• 22:56
  So far they haven't, and our buddy Pat Ragazzo told me that
• 23:00
  he doesn't think Stearns is going to change the approach.
• 23:02
  He still thinks he's going to look to get like on his terms
• 23:04
  and not go like crazy with the long term deals for starting
• 23:07
  pitchers. But The thing is that Schoolbo's
• 23:10
  still 30 years old like next year.
• 23:12
  So he's not younger, but they'll make an exception because it's
• 23:15
  Schoolbo probably. It's not an age thing, but with.
• 23:18
  That Well, let me let me tell you this let me tell you
• 23:20
  something quick here I don't know if he.
• 23:21
  Probably going to be a dodge or so which makes me sick but I
• 23:24
  will not be shocked man. I don't know about the deferred
• 23:26
  money because the Mets I think will give it more ammo to give
• 23:29
  it more dollars of. Their oh maybe deferred.
• 23:32
  It's very possible and the Mets seem like they're more keen on
• 23:35
  him. But let me tell you this, and I
• 23:37
  don't know if he caught this, Do you remember Derek Colt didn't
• 23:40
  pitch in game seven of the World Series against the Nationals
• 23:44
  back. Scherzer didn't pitch game game
• 23:46
  six of the ANLCS in 2021 and school this past year didn't
• 23:53
  pitch more than 100 pitches in game five of the ALDS this past
• 23:58
  year. What do they all have in common?
• 24:03
  They're all represented by Scott, Boris, that's.
• 24:05
  Correct. And you know what's so
• 24:07
  interesting about that? It's like all of them got paid
• 24:11
  big money. Cole got the highest paid
• 24:14
  pitching contract ever. Until you have a Moto, of
• 24:16
  course. Yeah, Back shares have got the
• 24:19
  highest AV ever as a starting pitcher with 43 million and
• 24:25
  Spumo is not going to wear his arm because he knows that he's
• 24:28
  one injury array for for having a very a contract that he's not
• 24:32
  going to get like ever like he's Yeah, right now go ahead.
• 24:39
  Yeah, I bet. I was going to just say like, I
• 24:42
  think Garrett wants to pitch in game seven, though I'm pretty
• 24:45
  sure he was pissed he didn't throw that day.
• 24:46
  From what I remember, I don't think it was his decision not to
• 24:49
  pitch. But that's, I think it was
• 24:51
  Boris. I think that's more to do with
• 24:53
  Boris, I believe, because. Maybe Boris the Astros don't
• 24:57
  use. Them.
• 24:57
  Yeah, I'm pretty sure because he does talk to Jim Craig because
• 25:00
  looking at is it in a coincidence that all three
• 25:03
  pitchers had their limits of not pitching in those crucial?
• 25:07
  Yeah, I still thought school balls should have win an extra
• 25:09
  ending looking back on as well. I still wonder what happened to
• 25:12
  be dead, but we'll never know unfortunately.
• 25:14
  Cursory up. And you know how he's always
• 25:17
  willing to pitch on short rest in the playoffs too in most
• 25:19
  situations. So it does make some sense what
• 25:21
  you said. It's definitely interesting with
• 25:24
  Boris. He's definitely holding up the
• 25:26
  market again, I feel like. I feel like he's a dictator.
• 25:29
  Yeah. Yeah, that's what I see.
• 25:33
  Yeah, so we'll see what happens with these Japanese guys.
• 25:36
  I'm happy that their deadlines are coming up so we could have
• 25:39
  something new to talk about with them finally.
• 25:41
  So at least we'll have some clarity this week because
• 25:44
  they're both going to have to be signed.
• 25:45
  So I, I don't think it'll be Yankees, but maybe they'll
• 25:49
  surprise and get in my way. I don't think the Blue Jays are
• 25:52
  in Okamoto, apparently, but I really expect that to come
• 25:54
  together. I think Haim mentioned them as a
• 25:56
  suitor. I'd be pretty surprised.
• 25:59
  I think they're just doing their due diligence right, like the
• 26:02
  Jays. Yeah, that's the problem.
• 26:04
  You never usually see the Jays tap into that Japanese market
• 26:08
  like with those posting guys like.
• 26:11
  Yeah, well, they did try Otani and.
• 26:13
  Otani was a different. Well, they tried Otani, but
• 26:16
  yeah, that's a. Rare guy.
• 26:17
  They tried Sasaki though. Yeah, they did, right, They did.
• 26:25
  So they're probably trying to get into those waters I guess,
• 26:28
  but I don't think it's going to be with Okamoto and obviously
• 26:30
  not am I since I got C. So the Blue Jays starting
• 26:33
  rotation is definitely set. Let me throw it to you guys.
• 26:36
  Do you guys think Burrios is going to get traded before
• 26:38
  opening day? That's a tough one.
• 26:42
  You go ahead, Rocky. I'm going to say yes, and here's
• 26:46
  why. I think he does too.
• 26:49
  And here's what the moment that he was actually available to
• 26:54
  pitch in the World Series in the Jane didn't let him pitch that
• 26:56
  to me. I think the relationship
• 26:58
  deterred because Barrows initially wasn't happy when he
• 27:02
  was was devoted to be a bullpen guy.
• 27:05
  But he said he wouldn't do whatever it takes to win.
• 27:07
  And there must have been some sort of animosity between both
• 27:11
  sides. And it's not the first time it's
• 27:13
  happened. I mean, it's happened to a lot
• 27:15
  of teams in general, right? So I think he gets traded
• 27:18
  because one. That's fine though.
• 27:21
  Go, go ahead. Go ahead, Rock.
• 27:23
  You're sorry, what? I'm.
• 27:23
  Saying if you look at the rotation, right, what I'm saying
• 27:27
  is that you have Cease Gossman, you're Savage Bieber, Ponce,
• 27:32
  Eric Lowry. I mean you have a loaded
• 27:37
  rotation all of a sudden and where does barrier fit?
• 27:39
  If he let's just say he's on opening day roster, he's not
• 27:42
  going to pitch ahead of Beaver and you're giving 10 million
• 27:45
  applause saying who's probably going to be a back end
• 27:48
  rotational guy. I don't see him as a reliever
• 27:50
  guy, right. And then I.
• 27:52
  Think he'll ends up being a reliever a little bit like you
• 27:55
  guys think he's going to be the 5th starter.
• 27:58
  I guess the video gets trained. Yeah, sure.
• 28:00
  I always, I always thought he'd be a swing man when they when
• 28:04
  they started. But like, maybe he does get a
• 28:06
  full spot on the rotation. He might now that yeah, if they
• 28:09
  move Barrios. Yeah, that's the thing, right?
• 28:12
  Like, yeah, I think I see with Barrios.
• 28:14
  I don't think they care what he thinks.
• 28:16
  Meant to be honest with you. Maybe.
• 28:19
  What are we not? Like like, like obviously like
• 28:22
  like they signed them, you know they have them like in the
• 28:25
  playoffs. Like is he, is he, is he sorry,
• 28:29
  I'll just be blunt. Is he stupid like that guy?
• 28:33
  The guy didn't pitch well, man. Like did you see Chris Bassett
• 28:36
  going bitch when he was demoted to the bullpen?
• 28:39
  No, he took that role and thrive throughout the playoffs.
• 28:43
  So you know, Barrios, you know, he can say what he wants.
• 28:47
  He could do, you know, but I mean, it's not going to get him
• 28:49
  very far, man, so. Yeah.
• 28:51
  I think it's like it's just the mentality the athletes have.
• 28:55
  Like he's getting paid a lot of money, like he expects to be
• 28:57
  able to contribute for like all he's done his career.
• 29:00
  But to your point, like he was not the best option for Toronto
• 29:03
  based on how things were going. And he also also was not a good
• 29:06
  post season pitcher. Like the Yankees used to beat
• 29:08
  the piss out of him when he was with the Twin, like routinely.
• 29:12
  So I mean, he's not a good playoff pitcher.
• 29:14
  He doesn't really have put away stuff anymore.
• 29:16
  Like what are you worried about when you're facing burritos?
• 29:18
  Like not really that much honestly.
• 29:20
  Like he's not really that dude anymore.
• 29:22
  That was a bad contract honestly.
• 29:24
  Like it's not Asian. Well, like he's getting paid a
• 29:26
  lot of money. He's not doing that much.
• 29:29
  Right. I think it's also the fact that
• 29:32
  that they had to pay him because they traded they traded in that
• 29:35
  deal. He was actually good those that
• 29:38
  that stretch run and you know, people were saying like in that
• 29:42
  2021 trade deadline after Max Scherzer barriers was the next
• 29:45
  best pitcher and they didn't give up.
• 29:47
  They gave up awesome art and see me what Richard said, but they
• 29:50
  haven't really been anything. So they kind of did fine that
• 29:53
  trade overall, so. What's Richardson might still be
• 29:56
  OK, but the other guy is not really doing much I.
• 29:59
  Mean. No he's not too.
• 30:02
  I mean was Richardson might be a serviceable like mid to back end
• 30:05
  guy. He's not an.
• 30:05
  Ace, that's what I'm saying, right?
• 30:06
  Yeah. So.
• 30:07
  Like it's not really the word. It's just 7 from 131.
• 30:10
  It's some rough money, but it's you guys are gonna have to eat
• 30:13
  some money to trade him too. But obviously they don't care
• 30:15
  so. I think, I think with him, I
• 30:18
  think he'll be motivated because The thing is that he has a
• 30:20
  player option, right? So he's getting what, 3 He had
• 30:23
  17,000,000 a year, right. So it's not bad bad.
• 30:26
  But at the same time, like like you said, they might have to eat
• 30:29
  some of that. So it all depends.
• 30:30
  Yeah, no one. 'S gonna pay 17,000,000 for this
• 30:33
  version of Jose Berrio, so no. But he he'll give you but one
• 30:36
  thing he throughout his career, he's been relatively healthy
• 30:39
  until this year, right. So that's the.
• 30:41
  Yeah, that's true. He's terrible.
• 30:43
  Like he's an above average pitcher, but not we.
• 30:46
  That's the best way to put. It no, for sure, for sure he's
• 30:49
  he has good curveball, OK, fastball change up work like
• 30:54
  stuff like that. But I mean.
• 30:55
  Here's a number four or five in a good rotation.
• 30:57
  Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he's not at this point.
• 31:00
  Yeah, he used to be like a two or three.
• 31:02
  Now he's down to like a four or five.
• 31:04
  Right. I mean, he's not that old.
• 31:06
  I mean, he's what, 3030? 32 I just checked, I think he's
• 31:10
  32, but yeah. So I mean it'll be interesting
• 31:14
  to see what happens with that. I think the AO E like any team
• 31:17
  could compete right now, even Tampa Bay.
• 31:19
  You never know, they have to do some work but you.
• 31:21
  Never know. You could tell Marts, hey, then
• 31:23
  that's a whole different conversation.
• 31:25
  Although the pitching staff is pretty light to me.
• 31:27
  So they'll have to get some reinforcements.
• 31:29
  And is Mcclanahan even going to pitch again?
• 31:31
  He's been so hurt. Like you wonder what's going on
• 31:33
  there. Hopefully he's all right.
• 31:34
  He's. He's the biggest X Factor in
• 31:36
  that rotation, right? Like, but if he's healthy and he
• 31:40
  pitches well, they're going to chip them away to another.
• 31:43
  Yeah, they probably will. The Yankees, like, I don't think
• 31:47
  they're really. They could get lucky and make
• 31:50
  the playoffs right now if they didn't do anything else.
• 31:53
  Maybe, but it's not in the World Series team.
• 31:56
  So my question about the Yankees here, and you know, we're
• 31:59
  talking, we're talking about other teams as well, but the
• 32:01
  Mets and Yankees, I think with the Mets, they're trying to
• 32:04
  regroup the whole situation with the whole young core and build a
• 32:08
  rug with Soto and Lindor. Like you have to have other.
• 32:12
  Cleans out the. Clubhouse, yeah, like it's like
• 32:15
  the the homegrown guys are gone. Like Edwin BS seven years
• 32:19
  organization gone right. So it's like they're trying to,
• 32:24
  you know, revitalize or rekindle this whole whole team.
• 32:28
  I'm curious to see what's going to be their big move.
• 32:30
  Passive did mention they there's a big splash in them and I'm
• 32:34
  curious to see what move they'll do.
• 32:36
  As for the Yankees, this is a Yeah I.
• 32:38
  Still wonder what it is though. Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:41
  That's a good question. It could be Bellinger, it could
• 32:43
  be a trade. I think trade more than.
• 32:46
  Probably a trade, yeah. I think I feel like a trade
• 32:48
  could be on the horizon. Some type of trade for the Mets,
• 32:51
  yeah. No, but I'm saying with the
• 32:54
  Yankees, it's like, you know, we talked all year and you said use
• 32:58
  year round when a meeting they start being active, but they
• 33:01
  haven't done that and we're getting into.
• 33:03
  Yeah. Like what's going on with
• 33:06
  Dominguez because I saw his winner league stats and like
• 33:10
  people say they should trade over.
• 33:12
  It's like, like, it's hard for a guy like him to be a role player
• 33:19
  when he's young and he should. He doesn't have enough at bats.
• 33:23
  Like he needs to play every day. And that's a concern with the
• 33:26
  Yankees. Like like so, So then QO,
• 33:29
  Russia, we accepted, which I don't understand why you guys
• 33:32
  gave QO that kind of shot. And then on top of that.
• 33:36
  Yeah. No, no, but what I'm saying it's
• 33:39
  like, why? Like and then yes, Spencer
• 33:41
  Jones, he's 25 years old. Like how many more years he's
• 33:44
  going to send the miners before he starts playing again?
• 33:46
  Like unless he gets traded right that.
• 33:49
  Maybe he will, but. You think so?
• 33:51
  Yeah, I don't know, because I've talked about Spencer a lot.
• 33:55
  I think there's some mixed views.
• 33:56
  Some people are eye on him, some people think they should trade
• 33:58
  him. Apparently the Yankees are going
• 34:01
  to talk him up obviously in case they do trade him, but it could
• 34:04
  be like a Caleb Durbin situation.
• 34:05
  But if they don't resign balance, you probably keep both
• 34:08
  of them because you need the depth and maybe Jones will debut
• 34:11
  this year somehow. I think they did try Christian
• 34:14
  as a Band-Aid for a year because they don't have another son of
• 34:16
  Fields because they don't view Jason Dominguez a son of Fields
• 34:19
  are clearly they view him as a left fielder.
• 34:21
  So I think Dominguez seems to play more.
• 34:24
  But the issue is the bounds returns.
• 34:26
  He's not going to have any time again and it's going to be the
• 34:28
  same situation he was in this year.
• 34:30
  So how was that beneficial to him?
• 34:32
  I mean, Stan's going to get hurt, so that'll help him
• 34:34
  whenever that happens, I guess. But like at some, you don't want
• 34:38
  to have to bank on that. And then Spencer Jones, like I
• 34:41
  feel like one of them has to go if you bring back Ballinger
• 34:43
  because it's just too many outfielders and they need the
• 34:46
  opportunity to fully play. Spencer probably could have got
• 34:50
  the call on almost any other team last year, but he was in
• 34:53
  the Yankees outfield that had too many people that they had no
• 34:56
  room for it. So I think he needs to make his
• 34:59
  debut this year at some point, whereas with the Yankees or
• 35:02
  another team, I guess we'll see. Like, it's a guy you'd like to
• 35:05
  keep because he'd dream on the upside.
• 35:07
  But he also might be an issue in the lineup because of the
• 35:10
  strikeouts. And they already have a lot of
• 35:12
  KS in there. But he does a lot of other
• 35:15
  things well, like the running, the power and the defense are
• 35:17
  all tantalizing. So that's definitely a
• 35:20
  conundrum. It's just like the Yankees.
• 35:23
  I'm not really sure. I think Ballinger is holding
• 35:25
  things up so they have just not all progression the keyhole and
• 35:28
  try to get him on a one year deal for less money.
• 35:30
  I mean I guess they probably thought like there could have
• 35:33
  been a multi deal offer form. They probably didn't want them
• 35:36
  for more than a year because they do have Dominguez and
• 35:38
  Jones. So this might be the passing of
• 35:40
  the torch finally I guess. But Dominguez is getting through
• 35:44
  it and he didn't have a great winner.
• 35:46
  I mean, I'm just happy he got his reps and got some more
• 35:48
  playing. But the numbers and I look good
• 35:51
  and like we Dome is like hit or miss.
• 35:54
  Never know what's going to happen out there.
• 35:56
  But the Yankees have a lot of work to do and I haven't really
• 35:58
  done much. And so that's all I could say at
• 36:01
  this point. And I don't really like where
• 36:03
  it's heading it right now as we speak, but they could change
• 36:06
  things quickly. I'm just waiting for when it's
• 36:08
  going to be still. And it's boring.
• 36:11
  It sucks. It gives me like no content for
• 36:13
  Yankees moves. But I haven't even been able to
• 36:16
  do like one video yet for like any move they've made because
• 36:19
  they've all been so glad to. Me right, right Let me let me
• 36:22
  ask you a question I need to ask you this question this and you
• 36:26
  can make. Progressionally to know, but.
• 36:28
  Right. Does Jazz Chisholm get traded
• 36:30
  the sauces or they're going to hold on to them and maybe keep
• 36:32
  them and maybe extend them in the future?
• 36:36
  I don't think he gets traded, but I could see him walking in
• 36:39
  free agency maybe. But I think he I don't think he
• 36:41
  gets traded just because like I don't really see an alternative
• 36:46
  route if he gets traded. Like who's going to play second
• 36:48
  base if he gets traded? That's the first problem.
• 36:51
  Unless you got Dom and Marte's on the Yankees.
• 36:54
  The Yankees are on Cattell's no trade list, which I guess he
• 36:56
  could wave, but he put them on the for a reason.
• 36:59
  I guess you could you get Brendan's on them, but that's a
• 37:02
  downgrade to me. I don't think he's as good as
• 37:04
  Jazz chess and personally, I mean, unless you've got him, you
• 37:07
  flipping for like some significant pitching or
• 37:09
  something. But the other issue I mentioned
• 37:12
  on that theory is that, like, if these teams are trading
• 37:16
  pitchers, it means they're probably not contending #1
• 37:19
  unless the Brewers. But the Brewers aren't going to
• 37:21
  pay Jazz because the Brewers don't trade for guys, the one
• 37:24
  you have to control. Will the Nationals entertain the
• 37:27
  Jazz chasm to try to get some excitement down there?
• 37:30
  I mean, they have Garcia second. He's actually pretty good.
• 37:33
  So that might not work either. So I don't really see a trade
• 37:38
  option for Jazz. Like you could do something to
• 37:40
  the Royals maybe. I'm sure they would love to have
• 37:42
  him, but they still have India. Like, could you do Jazz for
• 37:45
  Buick or something? Like I don't know, I'm just fit
• 37:47
  balling here, but I don't really see a trade materializing with
• 37:52
  Chism. Let's let's.
• 37:57
  OK, go ahead. Go ahead, Rob, go ahead.
• 37:59
  I just wanted to ask, do you think that Spencer Jones is
• 38:04
  ready for everyday playing time and like and should they like
• 38:07
  play them every day? Man, that's such a tough
• 38:10
  question, but I'll give you my best effort here.
• 38:13
  I mean, I don't know what else he could really do with the
• 38:15
  Miners at this point. He kind of he is what he is,
• 38:17
  right? Like he's going to strike out a
• 38:19
  lot. He's going to hit a lot of
• 38:20
  bombs, He's going to steal all the bases, will play good
• 38:22
  defense. I think you got to see if he's
• 38:24
  on the team, then yeah, I want to see him play.
• 38:26
  But the issue is there's no path for full time play unless
• 38:29
  Bellser doesn't get resigned because he's the 4th outfielder.
• 38:33
  If Bellinger gets resized. Even if he gets traded now, I
• 38:37
  want to see Spencer Jones play this year of the Yankees keep
• 38:40
  him. I think they need to do it and
• 38:42
  see what they have now. It would have been a risky
• 38:45
  proposition. Electron Christian going fully
• 38:47
  turn the keys over and I told him.
• 38:48
  And when you're trying to be in a World Series window, I guess,
• 38:52
  but I could have took the chance and tried to use that 22 million
• 38:55
  somewhere else maybe. Would I have preferred that?
• 38:57
  It's possible. I'm not going to know until the
• 38:59
  all season's over. But so far I don't really like
• 39:01
  anything that's staying in place for the most part.
• 39:04
  I mean, the Unman Rosario deal was OK, Like the Arbo deals,
• 39:07
  like OK, like I get it. Like it builds zaps and like
• 39:10
  they're not expensive contracts. I guess Blackburn, whatever,
• 39:13
  2,000,000 bucks. The only issue with the
• 39:15
  Blackburn thing is that it guarantees in the spot in the
• 39:17
  bullpen which I don't love because it's an MLB deal.
• 39:20
  So that's my only issue with that.
• 39:23
  But could they sign like a cold back like I've heard they were
• 39:27
  interested in another thing I actually did.
• 39:29
  It's not that good but I'll give it to you guys cuz I didn't put
• 39:32
  on my podcast. Apparently the Yankees are
• 39:35
  interested in Lucas Sims 2 forever Ladsworth.
• 39:37
  I never even put that out anywhere because like I just
• 39:39
  don't think anyone will give a shake.
• 39:40
  Well, that's quick. Well, we have it here
• 39:42
  recordings, right, So. It's not even a big deal.
• 39:47
  But yeah, if it was a bigger leave, I wouldn't do that, but I
• 39:51
  forgot to mention it. So there you go.
• 39:54
  But I don't know if any materialize there.
• 39:58
  And then I heard the Mets clubhouse was also was also a
• 40:01
  disaster, like dumpster fire, which is why you're seeing all
• 40:05
  the stuff you're seeing with them.
• 40:07
  So that's interesting in itself too.
• 40:09
  But both New York teams have arguably been having the worst
• 40:13
  off seasons in the in the sport. I mean, the Mets just based on
• 40:17
  what they lost, haven't really replaced it properly.
• 40:19
  I mean, Williams and we were going across town.
• 40:22
  Is that really better than just Diaz?
• 40:23
  I don't know about that. I mean, I guess if you look at
• 40:26
  it from a quantitative point of like war or whatever, I guess
• 40:30
  you could say 2 is better than one.
• 40:32
  But like either guys go to CS so and they still need more guys to
• 40:36
  help them. And then you get rid of Alonzo
• 40:40
  and Nimmo and you replaced them with Simeon and Polanco.
• 40:43
  That doesn't add up exactly to me.
• 40:45
  As much as I like Polanco, I actually think it's a good fit
• 40:48
  for them. But it's it's an awkward
• 40:49
  defensive fit for Polanco. I think he's I view him more as
• 40:52
  ADH for them. And then like Simeon, you guys
• 40:57
  had Simeon, obviously you know about him.
• 40:59
  Like he's very hot and cold to have a Goodyear, have a bad
• 41:03
  year. He's also 35 now, his offensive
• 41:06
  skills, so it's declining, but he can still play good defense,
• 41:09
  which is why they took him. Is it better than Jeff McNeil?
• 41:11
  I mean, probably. I mean, it's hard to be much
• 41:14
  worse, but I think it's going to be a better fit to McNeil.
• 41:17
  Sure, but it's not better than like Nimmo or Alonso by any
• 41:22
  means. You know what's it's a perfect
• 41:26
  segue to ask the next question and let's talk about the relief.
• 41:30
  But your market has gone by rapidly quick with a lot of
• 41:33
  signings happening. The two big names that was
• 41:36
  signed with Devin Williams first was the first person to sign as
• 41:40
  a the big name to sign with the Mets.
• 41:42
  And then obviously you saw the Dodgers doing Dodgers stop
• 41:45
  getting Edwin Diaz right, the best closer in baseball.
• 41:49
  So looking at all the names and with Robert Suarez, he signed
• 41:53
  with the Braves and the Jay side, Tyler Rogers, which
• 41:56
  shocked me. Like what are your thoughts
• 41:57
  about the whole relief pitching market?
• 41:59
  Who's improved? And thinking that the Dodgers,
• 42:02
  you know, now they get they get the best closer like how, how,
• 42:05
  how, how Richard they got from after that.
• 42:09
  I mean, I don't know what else is love to say about LA, really.
• 42:13
  I mean, they had one weakness and they probably fixed it,
• 42:17
  although I guess they could use an outfield bat still, their
• 42:19
  outfield player is not the best. Maybe an extra infields or
• 42:22
  somewhere too. But like at the same time, they
• 42:24
  still have the best starting rotation in the sport probably.
• 42:27
  I would say as long as everyone's healthy, which is
• 42:30
  tough, I guess. Sango.
• 42:32
  I mean Sango Jesus. Yamamamamoto.
• 42:36
  No Sasaki. Sasaki.
• 42:39
  Sasaki might go back into the rotation maybe since they have
• 42:43
  Diaz, but they also have Sharon and a few other guys they can
• 42:46
  try in that five spot. So Dodgers have plenty of
• 42:49
  options in there, but they add like a Boba shetter, Kyle
• 42:54
  Tucker. That'd be a scary thought.
• 42:56
  If they get one of them, do they get Stephen Kwan like I've
• 43:00
  talked about with Rocky numerous times?
• 43:02
  I could definitely see them trying to go back down that
• 43:04
  tree. I could see that.
• 43:06
  That seems like a good fit for both sides, so I wouldn't be
• 43:10
  shocked. Yeah, the Dodgers are
• 43:13
  ridiculous, and it would have been so much funnier if Diaz
• 43:16
  left. The Mets went to a different
• 43:17
  team besides the Dodgers, but like, it's not funny because the
• 43:20
  Dodgers got him, so there's nothing.
• 43:22
  The Dodgers. Yeah, the Mets should have got
• 43:24
  him. Like that was a really big mess.
• 43:27
  That's that's inexcusable. You cannot let Diaz go of the
• 43:30
  Dodgers. Like that just can't happen.
• 43:32
  And they let it happen. Like that's inexcusable to me.
• 43:35
  That's like a fireable offense, honestly to me, because that's
• 43:37
  going to cause so many issues. They don't even understand
• 43:40
  what's going to happen yet. And I understand I don't expect
• 43:44
  Peter Monte to be back because of all the back and forth
• 43:47
  they've gone through the last couple years.
• 43:49
  That was not surprising to me. I was, I was surprised about
• 43:52
  DSOA little bit, but am I surprised it was the Dodgers?
• 43:56
  No, I'm not, because that's what the Dodgers do.
• 43:59
  And the story title I wrote for one of my stories is coming out
• 44:04
  is like the Dodgers are who we thought they were and the Blue
• 44:07
  Jays let them off the hook. It's you're not that, that's
• 44:12
  that's I don't even know what to say to that man, but but I will
• 44:17
  say it's true. It's it is so freaking true,
• 44:20
  man. Yeah, you've.
• 44:21
  Had them right? What do you wanted them?
• 44:23
  And they were. Outs away, man. 2 outs away,
• 44:26
  right. Yeah, yeah, we're there.
• 44:27
  They're exactly what we thought they were.
• 44:29
  Yeah. It's like.
• 44:30
  I was ruined in front of Jays. I told you guys I wanted the
• 44:33
  Jays to wait, so I was not happy either.
• 44:36
  I know some Yankee people wouldn't be thrilled for me,
• 44:39
  Sharon Saturday, but I made it. No.
• 44:42
  Yeah, I was cheering for Toronto in the World Series.
• 44:45
  Yes. I had my Blue Jays flag man with
• 44:48
  two outs away ready to go celebrate on my balcony.
• 44:51
  Fucking scream, yell whatever and fuck man.
• 44:56
  Yeah. It was a crazy situation.
• 44:58
  Rob, sorry gentlemen. I'm sorry for reopening the
• 45:02
  wound, but the the talking topics kind of brought me to
• 45:05
  that Ave. You know, you know, you know,
• 45:08
  The thing is a lot of people thought that Jays would go after
• 45:11
  Diaz. I mean, some people say, but I
• 45:13
  think the whole keyword attachment, well, the whole
• 45:15
  keyword attachment is what kind of yeah, yeah.
• 45:19
  But the keyword attachment kind of.
• 45:21
  Yeah, my biggest surprise in that group is probably the
• 45:24
  Braves getting Robert Suarez. I didn't really see that one
• 45:27
  coming. Good move for that though.
• 45:30
  I like it, yeah. Definitely, yeah, I agree.
• 45:32
  And then Iglesias got a lot of money to return.
• 45:34
  I thought that was a little bit of an older pay, but they got
• 45:37
  him back. So it is what it is.
• 45:40
  I think the Coqo attachments, what affected them overall
• 45:44
  because like when you look at when you look at some of these
• 45:47
  guys who got paid, like Edward Diaz was QO tied.
• 45:51
  I think he was the only one. But the Braves immediately
• 45:53
  pounced to go get Robert. I think that was a really good
• 45:56
  pick up, especially now that you have a Glacius as you closer, as
• 46:00
  Suarez, as you shut up guy. And you can work around that and
• 46:03
  you could go around that. Yeah, you could add some days to
• 46:06
  play Suarez. Can close games.
• 46:08
  Right, absolutely you can. I think that I think that's a I
• 46:12
  think that was a good pick up to be and I thought the Jays would
• 46:16
  that would go after but but you know what, they didn't wait.
• 46:20
  They next day they got Rogers right away.
• 46:22
  They felt like he was the best available guy.
• 46:24
  He doesn't feel hard, but his movement is so wicked that it's
• 46:28
  going to be so hard to keep up. With us, right another.
• 46:32
  Guy the Mets tried to get and couldn't get.
• 46:35
  Another loss for the Mets and Rogers and they gave up a lot to
• 46:38
  get him for half a season for what?
• 46:40
  To miss the playoffs. So the Mets have really made a
• 46:43
  lot of mistakes ever since signing 1.
• 46:45
  So though I guess everything else is kind of been a disaster.
• 46:48
  With the obsession of Nolan Mclean's call up, probably.
• 46:53
  Let me ask you this though, while we're on the topic of
• 46:56
  this, how much of this goes into Cohen signing David Stearns to
• 47:02
  run things? You know, and knowing David
• 47:04
  Stearns isn't going to overpay for guys, even though he has the
• 47:10
  billionaire, the hedge fund guy to get the money from, he's
• 47:14
  still not going to spend it like that.
• 47:16
  You know what I mean? Like like what goes into that?
• 47:19
  I think it's an odd pairing personally, The more I think
• 47:22
  about it, I think it's very odd how they did that.
• 47:26
  I think that Cohen was looking for someone to kind of
• 47:28
  restrained his thoughts maybe and he didn't want to get spent
• 47:31
  recklessly after the situations with Berlin's or insurance or
• 47:35
  something. Pick them in the butt, but then
• 47:37
  they do the 1, so it'll deal. Obviously went over Sterns, his
• 47:41
  head and Cohen's definitely the one that pushed out to finish
• 47:43
  line. That's no secret.
• 47:45
  But now he's kind of letting Sterns do his thing.
• 47:47
  He's not interfering really. Like he's not saying we have to
• 47:50
  go get this guy now. Does he do that for Tariq school
• 47:54
  next year? Yes, he might.
• 47:55
  That might be a different situation.
• 47:57
  Maybe he comes in, he's like, we're going to go get him.
• 47:59
  Like, screw your philosophy for playing pictures.
• 48:01
  You're going to give him 400 million, man?
• 48:04
  Like you did, like you did for Soto, right?
• 48:06
  Basically, yeah, I think I think it's coming especially if they
• 48:09
  have another disappointing year. So play I think like Rocky said
• 48:14
  there probably will get more towards trades because David
• 48:16
  Stearns doesn't want to overpay anybody but yet he'll get
• 48:18
  Polanco 20 million AAV, but it's only two year, it's only a two
• 48:22
  year pack. I mean I thought that was a high
• 48:24
  AAV for Polanco, but it makes me think they might go for a guy
• 48:28
  like Ingenio Suarez maybe because that could be a similar
• 48:31
  situation in Polanco. Maybe only two years Suarez
• 48:34
  could give him the righty pop to replace Alonso and he could play
• 48:37
  some 1st 2. So maybe they would try to get
• 48:40
  Suarez. I think I've seen some stuff
• 48:42
  trying to connect the dots there wouldn't shock me.
• 48:45
  So I mean that would help. I would like that move for them,
• 48:49
  but again, it's a guy who's aging and might regress.
• 48:52
  Also, I don't know how well his city feel, but he obviously has
• 48:56
  a tremendous amount of pop. So that's a guy that could help
• 49:01
  a little bit if they want to go down that route because their
• 49:03
  options are dwindled and they lost no hair and they're not
• 49:06
  going to get either a Japanese player.
• 49:08
  It's like, who else is out there as a first baseman?
• 49:10
  Reese. Hawkins.
• 49:11
  Like, do they really want Reese Hoskins?
• 49:12
  Like, I don't know. I mean, he has played an at
• 49:14
  least before, but he's far from what he used to be as.
• 49:18
  Do they trade for Yandi Diaz? I think we've talked, but it's a
• 49:21
  little bit rocky. Like could they try to explore
• 49:23
  the Yandi Diaz market? I know that Francis Romero said
• 49:26
  that they would have to be overwhelmed to trade him.
• 49:29
  Maybe the Mets do it. They did already give up Branson
• 49:31
  Lau, so the Rays are maybe shopping and buying as it as
• 49:37
  they notoriously do. Would they move Diaz?
• 49:40
  I think he'd be a good fit for the Mets, but is that actually a
• 49:43
  thing? I don't know.
• 49:46
  Well, well, The thing is that when you look at it this way,
• 49:50
  right, trade markets, we're going to get to the whole trade
• 49:53
  market thing. This is going to be a
• 49:55
  fascinating conversation to talk about.
• 49:57
  But like, you look at the markets the way it's built, like
• 50:00
  nobody wants to overpay for guys.
• 50:03
  And this is the problem here. And this is the thing.
• 50:07
  Certain teams like to spend money like the Dodgers and the
• 50:10
  Blue Jays rather than go through the trade market, right.
• 50:13
  You saw what the Yankees did at the trade deadline.
• 50:16
  I think they got a good deal for David Bendorf.
• 50:18
  But the other deals like with McMahon and and Jake Bird.
• 50:23
  And there's a reason why San Francisco traded Camilo Duvall.
• 50:27
  The fact like I and I want to ask you like so so the Yankees
• 50:31
  lost the Weaver. So how much of A prominent role
• 50:35
  is Duvall now all of a sudden? Like is he the setup guide to
• 50:39
  Bednar now all of a sudden knowing that, you know they
• 50:41
  traded by. I guess by default right now
• 50:45
  they don't have anything else probably, right?
• 50:47
  Like, I mean, do you put Fernando Cruz in that role and
• 50:50
  feel better about it? It's possible.
• 50:51
  Like, could it be 1 or the other?
• 50:53
  Sure. Do they get something back from
• 50:56
  Jake Burt after a waste last year?
• 51:00
  He was overused a lot. I'm sure they work with a lot on
• 51:03
  the minors. I don't know like how he's going
• 51:05
  to welcome this from training, but he definitely will be
• 51:07
  competing for a bullpen spot. He still has minor league
• 51:10
  options. Duval's going to have a big job
• 51:12
  this year. Obviously if they had anything
• 51:14
  else, even if they do get like a Co pack, like he's not going to
• 51:17
  be the setup guy based off his injuries last year and the
• 51:21
  Yankees didn't want to sign any of the relievers.
• 51:23
  They let them all go except Paul Blackburn.
• 51:25
  They ain't go for any of the high arms.
• 51:26
  They gave up two high arms. They traded for guys like you
• 51:30
  said, Bird. They probably figured Bird or
• 51:32
  play someone since he didn't really play last year, but they
• 51:36
  didn't really do much else. Resigning Blackburn's, whatever.
• 51:40
  I mean, maybe he's better than we think.
• 51:41
  I don't know, but they they're definitely need some help in
• 51:45
  that department. Like, and I was thinking about
• 51:48
  this too, and that let's do this on the trade targets.
• 51:50
  I'm going to check the list you texted me and see if anything
• 51:54
  makes sense here for bullpen arms.
• 51:56
  And I don't see any bullpen arms on this list you sent me, unless
• 52:00
  I'm missing something. But I don't see one bullpen arm,
• 52:03
  which is the problem because like, I don't really see that
• 52:06
  many relievers being traded right now because they all got
• 52:11
  signs like I don't see, I mean. Seth Halverson, maybe from
• 52:16
  Colorado. Yeah, Seth Halverson, maybe 1.
• 52:21
  Name thrown around too? Sure.
• 52:23
  There's a couple lower end guys, yeah, that could be moved.
• 52:26
  The pause rates are kind of itching to do something.
• 52:29
  Would they move in a straw? I like the, I like the yeah, the
• 52:31
  pauses have some good pitching, man, they.
• 52:33
  Might be able to get the Yankees impasse rates of 1,000,000 deals
• 52:36
  so like. What about a cage Smith from
• 52:41
  from Cleveland? There's.
• 52:42
  I don't think that trailer. Yeah.
• 52:45
  I don't think they do, but his name was not popped up and.
• 52:49
  What? About Hunter Gaddis, you think
• 52:51
  they will move them? I like that is.
• 52:55
  Yeah, I like. Yeah, I think they could.
• 52:56
  Yeah, I think. Maybe the Yankees could try one
• 52:58
  of those arms. Like maybe I could see a Padres
• 53:01
  trade again like I mentioned for like, I don't think they'll get
• 53:04
  Mason Miller, the Yankees, but maybe Estrada Moran like.
• 53:08
  Oh, Mason. Mason, I don't.
• 53:09
  Think he's actually going to get traded?
• 53:10
  I still don't think so, I think. It's, I don't think Mason
• 53:12
  Miller, they're asking for so much.
• 53:14
  They're asking for right now top tier prospects because they give
• 53:18
  up the free prospects again. In one of.
• 53:20
  The right, that's what I'm saying the.
• 53:22
  Same thing in return like I don't what that happened.
• 53:25
  I think they'll keep Mason there or maybe deal like one of the
• 53:27
  other two relievers I mentioned like.
• 53:30
  You know, I'll give you the best.
• 53:32
  I mean, the trade package that kind of caught me off guard.
• 53:35
  I had a Washing National guy shut up is that we talked about
• 53:41
  Jose Ferrar. He was supposed to be their
• 53:43
  closer for the nationals and then two days later he ends up
• 53:46
  getting trading to Seattle in Seattle.
• 53:48
  That was a. Weird one that wasn't.
• 53:50
  Right, they gave up Harry Ford. Yeah, Harry.
• 53:53
  Like Paul. Too bad.
• 53:54
  Like the GL? Trade really came out of
• 53:56
  nowhere, like no one was expecting that.
• 53:58
  Right. And that's the package that
• 54:01
  teams are asking if you want to go get like a Halverson or
• 54:04
  whoever is available, right? Like like I thought the.
• 54:06
  Mariners still low on Harry Ford too, I think.
• 54:09
  It's yeah, I think too. Man.
• 54:11
  I think they did because it's Cal Raleigh and they don't, they
• 54:16
  kind of have to trade him. They're like he's not going to
• 54:18
  do anything with us. So we kind of got a deal.
• 54:21
  I think they tried to move him around mother positions wasn't
• 54:23
  really working so they had to just like trade him I guess.
• 54:27
  I. Know, but yeah.
• 54:29
  And I'm just trying to think what else, Like there's not too
• 54:32
  many, there's guys out there, but it's going to be hard to
• 54:33
  find the trade. Yeah, the bullpen trades are
• 54:35
  itself. That's why like they show in the
• 54:37
  past and all the free agents in my opinion.
• 54:39
  Right. What's his?
• 54:40
  Name attacked the starting rotation or the bats somewhere.
• 54:45
  There, there's a guy in the White Sox.
• 54:47
  I think he has superior control. The last name is Roger.
• 54:49
  I think it's Taylor Rogers. So Tyler.
• 54:52
  No, it's something. Rogers, the guy, the guy throws
• 54:55
  101. Guy has some nasty stuff.
• 54:58
  And I wonder, like, you know, team, you know who I'm talking
• 55:01
  about. The Roger.
• 55:02
  I think it's Roger. They're called something.
• 55:03
  Let me look. At the White Sox roster really
• 55:06
  quick and I'll tell you in 2 seconds.
• 55:07
  God feels ridiculously stupid, like like the White Sox.
• 55:12
  Yeah, maybe it's a Louis Varwin situation, like.
• 55:14
  Something. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 55:16
  Like, yeah, Barnum has 6, had six years of control and traded.
• 55:20
  Yeah, can't believe. The twins did that.
• 55:21
  Still I don't. Believe by that I don't believe
• 55:25
  it either man so. I just don't understand what the
• 55:29
  thought process is. What did you get for him again?
• 55:31
  Like what was even the retired? Package Kendry Rojas, who was
• 55:34
  like a left-handed Pritchie prospect.
• 55:36
  He was close to ready, but they had no room for him and and Alan
• 55:40
  Roden, who's out who was injured with the thumb injury.
• 55:42
  He was out for the rest of the year.
• 55:43
  So that was the package deal I thought and they got what's his
• 55:47
  name face in that deal? Thai France right.
• 55:50
  So the White Sox are very interesting freelancer.
• 55:55
  Freelancer Boroa. I'll tell you who the name is.
• 55:59
  Or is a Grant Taylor? Grant Taylor is the name.
• 56:02
  Grant Taylor. There you go, I was.
• 56:04
  All Grant Taylor I. Just remember you said Taylor
• 56:07
  something so I was like, yeah. I see him, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 56:12
  The guys stuff is ridiculous like if they're if they like 25,
• 56:17
  if they can give up like 3-3 prospects like foreclosure like
• 56:21
  him, then you'd do it. But I mean that's I'm just
• 56:23
  saying as an example, like if we want to go get a he has closer
• 56:27
  stuff. So yeah, I.
• 56:28
  Don't know if they would want to do that though, because they
• 56:30
  might be trying to compete since they signed more economy and but
• 56:33
  are they going to trade Louise Robber like we got to see about
• 56:36
  that as well. I have to see.
• 56:37
  More K is in in 36 innings, so man, the strikeout stuff is
• 56:42
  there. You haven't even talked about
• 56:44
  Grand Taylor. Yeah, Grant Taylor if.
• 56:46
  He gets traded. That would be crazy to me, but
• 56:49
  you never know I guess. Like, but you know, you know,
• 56:52
  the thing about the White Sox, this is the thing, I think
• 56:55
  they're just giving those short term deals re established neuro
• 56:58
  commies contract because like, I don't think there's offers out
• 57:02
  there for them. And when you look at the way the
• 57:05
  White House are built, they're trying to build for 27 more than
• 57:09
  right now because one, they could still trade neuro commies
• 57:13
  if they choose to like at some point during his contract and
• 57:16
  get value returning. Yeah.
• 57:19
  Or or or you build around him, see what the core of his I think
• 57:25
  the core is is coming like like they got Kagan Smith coming.
• 57:29
  They have what's his name? There was another lefty I drew
• 57:34
  Thorpe to another guy Like their rotations going to sit next.
• 57:38
  I know the guys. Name is Noah Schultz.
• 57:40
  Schultz. That's that's.
• 57:43
  Right. Yeah, me too.
• 57:48
  And then they have Braden Montgomery too.
• 57:49
  Another. Braden Montgomery is another
• 57:51
  one. They got in there and they got
• 57:53
  card too. That they drafted from, I think
• 57:55
  it was. Clara was not bad still.
• 57:59
  What's the other picture they have?
• 58:00
  The other lefty in their system? That's it.
• 58:07
  Yeah. The third pick.
• 58:08
  Sucks have some ability, if soon, maybe not quite.
• 58:12
  Yet and you want to know something so.
• 58:15
  Montgomery is really good. Too big.
• 58:17
  I like too, yeah. So and they got the number one
• 58:21
  pick and Rob Chalowski, apparently the generational
• 58:24
  player that they're going to be the short step of that team.
• 58:28
  Yeah, he's going to get he's going to go number one that
• 58:31
  that's guys premium stuff like I've I've got college guys that
• 58:35
  they talked about. He is him in that court.
• 58:39
  The lights out are going to be around 27.
• 58:42
  I think it's where they're when the win starts and if phone call
• 58:45
  me, can we stop? Yeah, I think it's 27, but yeah,
• 58:48
  I mean, they added. Enough stuff.
• 58:49
  They need a lot of pitching help still.
• 58:52
  That's the problem. Like I can see the lineup being
• 58:54
  shaped together, but like they're pitching still a mess.
• 58:57
  Yeah. All right, well, we've talked
• 59:03
  about the starting pitching market and how it's been
• 59:05
  stagnant and stuff. Yeah.
• 59:07
  So let's, let's, let's dive into that a little bit more and we'll
• 59:11
  talk about in my, we'll dive into what you know could happen
• 59:14
  there and what his status is. So just just just, yeah, just
• 59:19
  give us your thoughts on, on, on, on some of the starting
• 59:24
  pitchers and where you think they might go.
• 59:26
  And and, and we'll talk about in my and his market a bit more.
• 59:30
  Yeah, I think that Valdez could be Mets, Orioles or Braves or
• 59:35
  Giants, I guess. No, Rocky was told me.
• 59:37
  But the Braves and the Giants I can still see the Orioles may be
• 59:41
  doing if they don't get them. I am I such a tough one to
• 59:44
  protect. Like I can see Cubs doing it,
• 59:46
  but then like you're hearing mixed signals there.
• 59:49
  I can see Phillies doing it. Like I said before, Baltimore
• 59:52
  could be a play for him. I possibly, I think the Yankees
• 59:57
  should be, but I don't expect them to be really.
• 59:59
  Unfortunately, the Mets I think are in there for him.
• 1:00:02
  I maybe the Mets can be my, I think Ranger Suarez.
• 1:00:06
  I was going to say Baltimore, but now I'm not as sure.
• 1:00:09
  Maybe he goes to Atlanta. I guess the Ranger in Atlanta
• 1:00:11
  maybe he seems like the type of guy that would like so or
• 1:00:16
  Giants. I guess Giants could use a lefty
• 1:00:18
  out there so. I would look at those
• 1:00:22
  possibilities and then Zach Gallon, I just say Angels.
• 1:00:25
  I know the Cubs had reported interests, but nothing came of
• 1:00:28
  that. And then like, I just think it's
• 1:00:31
  moving really slow because it's LNC situation and the stuff
• 1:00:37
  within my, I feel like once in my signs, you might finally get
• 1:00:40
  those three names off the board in January.
• 1:00:42
  The Gallons as Suarez's and the Valdez's.
• 1:00:48
  Who do you think? So let me I'm looking at the
• 1:00:50
  list right now and you were looking at right here is that
• 1:00:54
  right? Framber and Framber and Ranger
• 1:00:57
  are two guys available obviously in MLB.
• 1:00:59
  But I think once in my side, I think things will start picking
• 1:01:03
  up from there onwards, right. See this is a I'm kind of
• 1:01:07
  shocked that Zach Galanic did not accept the QO and could have
• 1:01:11
  re established his value right. But he decided to decline.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah, that's the thing that kind of surprised me.
• 1:01:19
  But they were second his second-half was a little bit
• 1:01:21
  better than his first half right.
• 1:01:23
  So look at Giolito's names been not been mentioned at all.
• 1:01:29
  Like is there a play for him for a team like because he got did
• 1:01:34
  he get QO? He did not get QO, so he's so I.
• 1:01:38
  Thought he was pretty good last year down the stretch.
• 1:01:40
  I do too. He was a problem against the
• 1:01:42
  Jays, right? So yeah.
• 1:01:44
  We couldn't hit him for shit. Yeah, so I think that's
• 1:01:50
  definitely a possibility. I saw something that people were
• 1:01:55
  asking about the teams for Remind.
• 1:01:57
  Like they just don't know still. Like everyone's asking like I
• 1:02:01
  don't know what the teams are. Well, could it be?
• 1:02:05
  But for GE though, my bad for GE though, like I think the Yankees
• 1:02:08
  could make sense in a one year deal.
• 1:02:10
  Like if they don't want to get like high end starting pitching,
• 1:02:12
  like he could be a filler for rotation tap.
• 1:02:14
  I think teams are probably slow playing him trying to get them
• 1:02:17
  on their terms. Like I think he'll probably sign
• 1:02:19
  like in late January or February.
• 1:02:20
  Like someone will take him. I thought he was decent too and
• 1:02:23
  like sometimes I mean he was definitely up and down, but I
• 1:02:26
  thought it was better than I expected.
• 1:02:27
  I would take him as like a four I guess like in term.
• 1:02:30
  So like hold down the floor until Cole and roads onwards
• 1:02:33
  wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
• 1:02:36
  Good. I want to ask about this with MI
• 1:02:39
  because I've been thinking about this ever since.
• 1:02:43
  What's his name there? Murakami signed with the White
• 1:02:46
  Sox. You know, could it be a team
• 1:02:49
  that we're not thinking about with MI?
• 1:02:51
  You know I'm trying. To throw them all out there,
• 1:02:54
  but. Or is it just there's more guys
• 1:02:57
  in on this guy than you know, and you think it's going to be
• 1:03:00
  one of the bigger teams that go out, but it could, could it
• 1:03:02
  realistically be, yeah, some team we're not thinking about,
• 1:03:05
  you know? Well, could the Giants circle
• 1:03:07
  back in the reports they weren't trying to go big?
• 1:03:09
  Could the Padres sneak in there? Maybe that's the team we're not
• 1:03:12
  thinking about because he doesn't like the Dodgers.
• 1:03:14
  And like, that would be his direct path to beating the
• 1:03:16
  Dodgers right there. I've got a name, I've got a
• 1:03:20
  team. Sorry, What about the Phillies
• 1:03:23
  and the reason why I. Survey is.
• 1:03:25
  OK, OK. You did say, OK, I agree with
• 1:03:28
  you. Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  The only reason why, well, Zach, Zach Wheeler being healthy by
• 1:03:35
  opening day, they said we will be.
• 1:03:36
  We'll see about that. Like Aaron Nola's contract is
• 1:03:39
  already looking worse by the day.
• 1:03:41
  I mean, that's not a good signing.
• 1:03:42
  I mean, they didn't have a choice at the time.
• 1:03:45
  Lozardo, right? Lozardo's A.
• 1:03:49
  Free agent exhaust season. He's represented by Boris, so
• 1:03:52
  he's probably going to testify. He might be the next best start
• 1:03:55
  great starting pitcher after after to reach school right.
• 1:03:59
  So I mean, it's not a strong class, so that's another.
• 1:04:03
  Factor not too good going into the wild, no.
• 1:04:05
  Next year, yeah. That's why I think that some
• 1:04:07
  guys like Michael. Caine the best hitters say is
• 1:04:10
  Suzuki next year. Which I heard that he might get
• 1:04:14
  traded too. We're going to get into all
• 1:04:15
  that, but like I could see. Getting dangled a.
• 1:04:19
  Little Yeah. You know, you, you know, you
• 1:04:22
  brought up the Giants ever. You know, it's kind of
• 1:04:26
  interesting because didn't am I say that he wants to take down
• 1:04:29
  the Dodgers? Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  Wouldn't it, wouldn't it be a prime opportunity for him if he
• 1:04:35
  wants, Yeah, the Giants, you know?
• 1:04:38
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:04:39
  So yeah, I thought that. Maybe those are laying in the
• 1:04:42
  weed. I know Yankees could be a spot
• 1:04:44
  if they want to give him what he's looking for.
• 1:04:46
  I feel like he would definitely come to the Yankees, but I.
• 1:04:50
  Think. Mets would be in play.
• 1:04:52
  I don't think Boston's really in it for him.
• 1:04:53
  I guess that could be a sleeper, but like, I don't really think
• 1:04:55
  he's going to go there. I know Dice K was talking to
• 1:04:58
  him, though, so I guess you can't rule that out completely
• 1:05:00
  either. I mean this.
• 1:05:02
  Whole thing Rick signs them and they've been doing things right
• 1:05:07
  now just. Well, I'll say this.
• 1:05:08
  I think they get Okamoto. So I'll say they get Okamoto,
• 1:05:12
  but not am I? That would be really surprising
• 1:05:14
  because I feel Gomai is going to go to a team that's at least
• 1:05:16
  close to competing. I mean, the Pirates are closer
• 1:05:18
  to competing, I will say much, but like, they're not a team
• 1:05:21
  that's going to take down the Dodgers.
• 1:05:23
  No. That's true, although they did
• 1:05:26
  sweep them last year somehow. They did.
• 1:05:31
  They did. That's right.
• 1:05:32
  Yeah. And I saw one of the big sort of
• 1:05:34
  virus. But yeah, no, I hit the Japanese
• 1:05:41
  market. So mysterious.
• 1:05:42
  The reporting's been so crazy and so misguided.
• 1:05:45
  Like, I feel bad about the situation.
• 1:05:47
  I wish I could shed more light on it by way.
• 1:05:48
  We know nothing about it. I know just as much as anyone
• 1:05:51
  else. Like there's nothing else I have
• 1:05:53
  to say about it unfortunately. You know who would be an
• 1:05:55
  interesting signing? Like first passing would be a
• 1:05:58
  low key pickup for whoever signing because he gives you
• 1:06:00
  those leaders, he gives you the veteran leadership, the guys a
• 1:06:06
  player. Yankees getting bassed in the
• 1:06:08
  right circumstances, maybe to fill in some rotational depth as
• 1:06:12
  we saw you could pitch in the bullpen.
• 1:06:13
  The Yankees need bullpen help, so I wouldn't hate that either.
• 1:06:16
  But I guess we'll see what he wants to do.
• 1:06:19
  I mean, maybe he wants to stay in the East.
• 1:06:20
  Maybe a team from the West comes calling.
• 1:06:22
  Like I feel like a lot of teams have used Chris Capacity and
• 1:06:25
  this feels like the Blue Jays kind of took him out of the
• 1:06:27
  rotation because they have too many guys now.
• 1:06:29
  Too many guys now, they feel like they're in.
• 1:06:31
  Verlander signs already? I thought those.
• 1:06:33
  Two, I think those guys are going to be much later.
• 1:06:36
  They're going to be, they're going to be late January,
• 1:06:38
  February. Like I remember when, when
• 1:06:40
  Charlie Moran and Justin Verlander and Matcher, they're
• 1:06:44
  all signed at the same time, right?
• 1:06:46
  Like cheering to sign with the Jays around until January.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah, I could see that. So that's a possibility where I
• 1:06:52
  think like they'll wait till it does settle because there's too
• 1:06:55
  many free agents still out there that get to sign, right.
• 1:06:58
  Like that's the thing, right. So it's.
• 1:07:00
  They probably got a way, but why haven't the giant sign?
• 1:07:03
  Sure as an animal if he likes Lobello so much though.
• 1:07:05
  They. Could have done that quick.
• 1:07:06
  Yeah. I mean, Kent Rosenthal has
• 1:07:08
  reported that for numerous occasions, and that's not even
• 1:07:11
  the thing. But I think the Giants are
• 1:07:14
  waiting to see what the big fish are like.
• 1:07:16
  What's Framber and rain? Because the Giants have been
• 1:07:18
  linked to Framber Waldez as well, right?
• 1:07:20
  So let's see what happens there. I think they're waiting.
• 1:07:22
  For the yeah they probably are waiting for like the bigger
• 1:07:25
  names and then decide what they're.
• 1:07:26
  Going to do I think I think once in my start signing I.
• 1:07:29
  Think we're going back to the Astros?
• 1:07:32
  Probably so. I could see it too.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah, I think so. They're waiting.
• 1:07:36
  For So, yeah, I don't really see much for him, but we'll see how
• 1:07:44
  that all goes. Yeah, the starting pitching
• 1:07:45
  market has been crummy. Besides seas, I guess.
• 1:07:48
  So you said Michael King, right? Well.
• 1:07:51
  Kane Kane was a surprising deal to me.
• 1:07:53
  I didn't expect him to go back to the Padres.
• 1:07:55
  Really. The way they do that deal was so
• 1:07:58
  fun. It was so like AJ Prowler S con.
• 1:08:01
  I think I think with Kane, he's the injury played a factor and I
• 1:08:06
  think that with him he's like OK, not a straight great a free
• 1:08:10
  aging class next for offseason. Let me re establish myself.
• 1:08:13
  The stuff is there. It's just the health of the
• 1:08:15
  concern that I think the team didn't feel comfortable,
• 1:08:18
  especially with him being. Yeah, I could see him putting
• 1:08:20
  himself into that mix. The only issue is does he want
• 1:08:24
  to risk uncertainty going into the lockout and becoming a free
• 1:08:26
  agent? Like I don't know if that might
• 1:08:28
  make him on the same. Well, it depends how long the
• 1:08:30
  lockout's for too, right? I don't think it's.
• 1:08:32
  Going to be on something. Was a good pick up for the
• 1:08:34
  Padres too at the KPO. Absolutely.
• 1:08:39
  But yeah, I know the starting pitching market has been
• 1:08:42
  frustrating, and I think the Yankees do have a very good
• 1:08:44
  rotation, but I think they can make it stronger.
• 1:08:46
  And they have just haven't really done anything to do that.
• 1:08:49
  But I don't know, man. I mean, they're really slow
• 1:08:53
  playing this thing. I think they're holding up on
• 1:08:55
  Ballinger and it's just wasting too much time.
• 1:08:57
  Like, and then they got to start doing other stuff.
• 1:09:00
  But it also holds back their trade options because they can't
• 1:09:04
  deal Dominguez or Jones. And so they know if they're
• 1:09:06
  getting Ballinger back, if they do want to do that.
• 1:09:10
  Do you think the. Yankees have a great have a
• 1:09:11
  greater need for starting, pitching or position player.
• 1:09:15
  Position player for sure, because like I agree, trust the
• 1:09:18
  rotation if I had to like if you got everyone healthy, which is
• 1:09:21
  the biggest if, but like I think it's still a very good to elite
• 1:09:25
  rotation. You have everyone healthy, but
• 1:09:27
  Garrett might not be quite like himself up Tommy John Carlos
• 1:09:31
  Ford's own, you know how he goes.
• 1:09:33
  So like hopefully he's got lots in when he returns.
• 1:09:36
  I think Cam's going to be better.
• 1:09:37
  I mean, he was really good in a small sample size.
• 1:09:40
  So I think seeing a full body work when we'll be good, I think
• 1:09:43
  Will Warren can take a step forward and then like Louise
• 1:09:46
  Tail has to get healthy. He was not good last year and
• 1:09:51
  Karl's man, I'm not really counting on for much since he
• 1:09:53
  had Tommy John July. So I don't even know like what
• 1:09:56
  version or if you'll even see him at all.
• 1:09:58
  But and then Max Free just has to pitch better in the bigger
• 1:10:02
  moments, I guess. I mean, everything else he did
• 1:10:04
  pretty well. He just had some hiccups against
• 1:10:06
  Toronto. He's got to figure out the pitch
• 1:10:08
  against Toronto because he didn't do that too well last
• 1:10:10
  year. So that's his biggest bugaboo I
• 1:10:13
  guess. Yeah, I think, I think health is
• 1:10:18
  also plays a big factor for a lot of these guys.
• 1:10:20
  Like I said, Tom Johns surgeries are inflating by the year,
• 1:10:24
  right? It rapidly continues to grow on
• 1:10:27
  a yearly basis. And the problem about that, it's
• 1:10:29
  like they got to figure out how you're going to establish more
• 1:10:33
  pitching depth. And that's why teams are
• 1:10:34
  reluctant to trade their top pitching process.
• 1:10:38
  Like for example, if you're going to go get a Mason Miller,
• 1:10:41
  they're going to ask for trade you Savage.
• 1:10:42
  You don't do that deal like Quinto Marte, like they wanted
• 1:10:46
  to trade Sav. You cannot do that deal or or
• 1:10:49
  Nolan McClain or Cam Slipper. You cannot trade those guys.
• 1:10:53
  One, those guys are your future. 2, they're relatively cheap and
• 1:10:57
  cost effective. And three, they don't have
• 1:11:01
  mileage who could have tremendous upside long term.
• 1:11:04
  I mean, that's what that's what teams want to do.
• 1:11:07
  Look at the Marlins, look at the Braves.
• 1:11:09
  It's like they and the Astra have done it historically, like
• 1:11:13
  they've done so well establishing their rotation
• 1:11:16
  through the farm and build around it, right?
• 1:11:18
  So that's I think that's another factor, right?
• 1:11:20
  Like they don't want to spend unless you feel like you have a
• 1:11:23
  balance, right? And the Jays are starting to do
• 1:11:25
  that with more guys like Ricky Cheatham and your guy, right,
• 1:11:28
  Julian? So or yeah, or, or Jake.
• 1:11:32
  I'm excited to. See.
• 1:11:34
  Yeah, I'm excited to see what Ricky does.
• 1:11:36
  I saw the article that Keegan rolled on him.
• 1:11:39
  I didn't read it. Now it's like, I just don't
• 1:11:42
  know. Do the Blue Jays put him in the
• 1:11:44
  bullpen maybe? Because like, he might not have
• 1:11:46
  a starting rotation spot, but if there's injuries, he could maybe
• 1:11:49
  come up as long as he's fully held.
• 1:11:51
  You're going to want to stretch him out in the minors and make
• 1:11:53
  sure he's not hurting again. But it's crazy what's happened
• 1:11:58
  to him because all the injuries the past two years.
• 1:12:00
  But he still could be a very good pitcher at the big league
• 1:12:03
  level. I hope he turns into a starter
• 1:12:05
  obviously, but I could see some reliever bulk work maybe to keep
• 1:12:09
  him healthy in certain situations like but he's going
• 1:12:13
  to be electric when he gets the call.
• 1:12:15
  Hopefully it finally happens this year.
• 1:12:17
  I wonder if the Blue Jays were saying trading in but probably
• 1:12:20
  not now because his value is not what you would like it to be.
• 1:12:22
  But like, maybe if he shows he could pitch well on the miners,
• 1:12:26
  they would do it if it could help put them over the top for
• 1:12:28
  something else like I don't know.
• 1:12:30
  I don't know if they want to trade him because they could.
• 1:12:33
  They protected him, they kept him for so long and I think that
• 1:12:36
  it feels like it started still part of the plans because Gosman
• 1:12:41
  and Bieber free agents exhausted and we have to start
• 1:12:43
  establishing more guys out of the miners, right?
• 1:12:45
  So I think that he's definitely one of them and they traded a
• 1:12:48
  few guys. They traded Cal Stephen, they
• 1:12:50
  traded Henry Rojas and they traded oh Juan Watt Brown to
• 1:12:56
  Baltimore, right. So they they need to have some
• 1:12:59
  establishment of building within the system too.
• 1:13:02
  So I don't think Rick gets treated.
• 1:13:03
  I think the future where wherever they want to use it,
• 1:13:07
  right. So.
• 1:13:07
  I guess we'll see. I hope he stays too.
• 1:13:10
  I guess we'll, I mean love to see how it all goes, but I can't
• 1:13:13
  wait to see when he gets that call.
• 1:13:15
  I've been waiting. Years for it.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah, for sure. All right, let's.