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Nursery Rhymes Are Twisted · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello and welcome to boozy banter,
• 0:20
  Diane Black: With friends.
• 0:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm Leyla.
• 0:22
  Trisha Smith: I'm Trisha.
• 0:23
  Diane Black: I'm Diane .
• 0:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Grab your favorite spirit and join us because shits about to get real.
• 0:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello,
• 0:39
  Diane Black: How you doing?
• 0:40
  Trisha Smith: Hi,
• 0:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: How are we this evening girls?
• 0:44
  Trisha Smith: We're good, we're.
• 0:46
  Diane Black: Well.
• 0:46
  Trisha Smith: We're well.
• 0:48
  Diane Black: Well.
• 0:48
  Trisha Smith: We're well into evening and well into our drinking.
• 0:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: We are well into the night.
• 0:56
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 0:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: We are, in the dark, in the night.
• 0:58
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 0:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: And it is a it's a stormy night.
• 1:02
  Trisha Smith: Dark and stormy night.
• 1:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I should have had a Dark and Stormy.
• 1:07
  Trisha Smith: Oh, you should have.
• 1:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Dang it. I did not though.
• 1:13
  Trisha Smith: So what did you have, Leyla?
• 1:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: I am actually having a rarity for me. Normally I have you know, mixed drinks.
• 1:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: But today well tonight, actually, as I say, I'm having a glass of red wine. I'm having a nice red blend called, Mistified.
• 1:34
  Trisha Smith: Sounds so fancy.
• 1:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, I don't know how fancy it is, but it's not terrible.
• 1:43
  Trisha Smith: I too, am drinking wine tonight. I don't know, I'm just lazy.
• 1:47
  Diane Black: Is it a red?
• 1:48
  Trisha Smith: It's not, it's a white, it's a it's a Pinot Grigio. It is the Prophecy Pinot Grigio. Their label is so damn pretty.
• 1:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 1:59
  Trisha Smith: It looks like a tarot card. Have you ever seen the label of the, Prophecy Pinot Grigio?
• 2:05
  Diane Black: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 2:06
  Trisha Smith: Right? It's this pretty blue and it has like a fairy looking lady on the front and it's just, it's very, it really does look like a a tarot card. Or an Oracle card or something. You know? I mean, it's like that dreamy fortune-telly look.
• 2:25
  Diane Black: Cool.
• 2:25
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, so.
• 2:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: It just seems like a nice night to have a glass of wine. It's rainy, stormy, easy drinking.
• 2:32
  Trisha Smith: And we're each in our own, we're remotely recording tonight with,
• 2:38
  Diane Black: We are.
• 2:39
  Trisha Smith: Right, with the,it's just raining and nobody wants to be out driving in that shit. So we're, we're doing the zoom thing tonight.
• 2:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: We're Zoomin.
• 2:50
  Trisha Smith: We're zooming and.
• 2:51
  Diane Black: Zoomies, zoomies.
• 2:52
  Trisha Smith: Right. Is it really drinking alone if my dogs Right and so, yeah, wine just always seems are here? Have you appropriate when you're just, home. Oh, what does that say?
• 3:02
  Diane Black: It's like comfort, It's like comfort food.
• 3:05
  Diane Black: No.
• 3:11
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 3:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: I have a cat laying on the couch, he's napping,
• 3:14
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 3:15
  Diane Black: Mine is too.
• 3:15
  Trisha Smith: So you're not drinking alone.
• 3:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm not drinking alone, no, I'm not.
• 3:20
  Trisha Smith: How about you Diane, drinking, or having some.
• 3:23
  Diane Black: I am too.
• 3:24
  Trisha Smith: Yeah?
• 3:25
  Diane Black: I am drinking a, rosy red Elderberry and Echinacea tea.
• 3:32
  Trisha Smith: Mmm,
• 3:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 3:34
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 3:35
  Trisha Smith: That also sounds very comforting for a dark and stormy night.
• 3:39
  Diane Black: It is.
• 3:39
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 3:40
  Diane Black: What I was most trying to decide. I'm like, you know,
• 3:43
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 3:44
  Diane Black: Just some what, a nice warm, spicy.
• 3:47
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 3:48
  Diane Black: Not too spicy, but organic tea.
• 3:52
  Trisha Smith: Right, I saw you there with your cup and I'm like oh, before I go to bed. I think I'll have one of those, sleepy time teas, you know, it just sounds really good. I love a stormy night though.
• 4:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, I do.
• 4:07
  Trisha Smith: I sleep so good, hurricane season is the best
• 4:07
  Diane Black: I do.
• 4:13
  Diane Black: because It's,
• 4:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know, you're right though. I love, I love when we get like a good tropical storm that comes through,
• 4:21
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 4:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: And the wind is whipping around,
• 4:25
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 4:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: And the rain is coming down.
• 4:28
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 4:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: I love to stand on my patio and just like,
• 4:33
  Trisha Smith: Right, Yeah.
• 4:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: Feel like the nice cool breeze, the rain and the wind and I don't know the e's absolutely something to be I don't know if that means, I truly am a native aid about that.
• 4:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: Floridian, or what, but it is, it's comforting.
• 4:49
  Trisha Smith: When you, When you go to the theme parks and they have those
• 4:50
  Diane Black: It is.
• 4:52
  Diane Black: mister fans and you stand right in front of it. It's like blowing wet air right into your, that's what it feels like, and it's just like, I love it.
• 5:04
  Diane Black: Yeah, it's also I think, what I like about it, too, is, um, it's all of Mother Nature.
• 5:10
  Trisha Smith: Um,
• 5:11
  Diane Black: In all her glory.
• 5:13
  Trisha Smith: Right. Yeah, absolutely. You know, um, a couple years ago, we had a hurricane. Well shooter, it was right when we moved into this house, that was probably five years ago. And I remember bringing my ducks into the patio and there was, you know, wind and we had to turn the generator on, and we lost power, and it was just a lot. But I slept so good, and the only real damage we had, I mean, we had some downed trees in the back of the property. But really, the only damage I had was one of those like green pine cones, you know, the ones that are like a grenade.
• 5:56
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 5:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 5:57
  Trisha Smith: It flung through my back window of my car, from a tree that was probably 50 feet away, and.
• 6:08
  Diane Black: Wow,
• 6:08
  Trisha Smith: Had it not been for that one damn pine cone. We wouldn't have done any damage on our property.
• 6:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think another reason why we're kind of you know, complacent is because we're in the middle of the damn state.
• 6:24
  Trisha Smith: Right? We're not on the coast, you know,
• 6:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: We're in the middle of the damn state,
• 6:30
  Trisha Smith: Right, We always wait it's like a, did Miami ge anything, did Tampa get anyt ing? Then we're not gonna swea it. We're just gonna look orward
• 6:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: What catagory is it?
• 6:43
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 6:45
  Trisha Smith: Point five.
• 6:46
  Diane Black: We always think, it's going to drop down anyway.
• 6:49
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, and we are like right now peak hurricane season.
• 6:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: We are.
• 6:55
  Trisha Smith: We're like, we're like, wa, wah.
• 6:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Just a bunch of damn wind and rain.
• 7:00
  Trisha Smith: Yep,
• 7:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: Just a bunch of wind and rain.
• 7:02
  Trisha Smith: Best sleep ever.
• 7:04
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 7:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I agree.
• 7:06
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 7:07
  Diane Black: Me too.
• 7:08
  Trisha Smith: So,
• 7:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know what else is nice on a dark and stormy evening?
• 7:11
  Trisha Smith: Oh, what?
• 7:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: Telling each other scary stories.
• 7:15
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, you know, I'm like, kind of at a, what is it called. brain block? Like, everything .doesn't sound as scary as I thought before, like, I'm kind of, like. Okay, so we've been catching up, we've been watching that, Fear Street is it called, Fear Street?
• 7:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, those are good.
• 7:40
  Trisha Smith: It's like a trilogy and I loved, this sounds terrible. I loved reading the, Fear Street books to my kids when they're a little, because they would get so creeped out and they were so scary for that age group. But these are supposed to be more you know, young adult ish, and they're supposed to be a little more scared. They're not scary at all. I'm just gonna say that, right now.
• 8:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: They're not.
• 8:03
  Trisha Smith: They're not scary.
• 8:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: But I liked it.
• 8:06
  Trisha Smith: I liked the second. We just watched the second one last night, we, the first one was like, mah, second one was good. The one with the,
• 8:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: I liked the second one.
• 8:15
  Trisha Smith: I love anything about like 70's, summer camps, you know, like Campb Crystal Lake.
• 8:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Uh huh.
• 8:25
  Trisha Smith: So you know, and so that was good, and the night, we have not watched the third one yet, but I'm like feeling kind of not so scared with the scary stuff. Like everything's either just gory for the sake of gory. Like, I haven't found anything that's like truly scared me yet. So I've been reading a lot and, and I think, I told you guys about these books I've been reading. And I found a whole Facebook group dedicated to these books and they're called,
• 8:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: Did you really?
• 8:56
  Trisha Smith: Yes, I did.
• 8:56
  Trisha Smith: They're called, it's the books are paranormal women's fiction.
• 9:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 9:04
  Trisha Smith: But, they're women over 40, they're badass women.
• 9:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's not our age group yet.
• 9:12
  Trisha Smith: Ah.
• 9:14
  Diane Black: We have something to look foreard to.
• 9:16
  Trisha Smith: Right, right.
• 9:20
  Trisha Smith: They, but these,
• 9:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Lies!
• 9:23
  Trisha Smith: But you know what, it's refreshing to read a book about a woman who's not all like. Oh my god, he didn't look at me, oh my god, I gave five.
• 9:30
  Trisha Smith: You know, it's like these women are like, I am 40 Plus, and I do what,
• 9:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: I do what I want.
• 9:42
  Trisha Smith: Exactly, like every book is like, I do what I want and if you don't like it, you know where you can go.
• 9:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Exactly,
• 9:49
  Trisha Smith: And that level of like independence and the whole fuck you attitude and they're not a size 2 and running. Like, I love that it's paranoramal and they're running from things and they're like, oh my god, I think I'm gonna die because I had to run like two blocks, you know, cuz that's me. I'm like, you want me to, wait, wait, wait, you want me to run at all? You know, somethings better fucking be chasing me chasing me for reals or else I'm not running going anywhere. We've already had this discussion, and,
• 10:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: I believe we did.
• 10:27
  Diane Black: We did.
• 10:28
  Trisha Smith: Exactly. So I am just in love with these authors that they're, you know, pulling out this whole other genre of book, you know, that's like, yeah,
• 10:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well share the Facebook group and share the name of the authors.
• 10:46
  Diane Black: Yeah, yeah, please do.
• 10:48
  Trisha Smith: The fame. The Facebook group is just paranormal, women's fiction, and the hashtag like for Instagram and stuff is #PWF, and evidently, there's a fabulous 13 like, there's like an original 13 authors that started this whole line of books, and I'm not gonna read every one of them because there's 13, but two of them I absolutely adore. And one is, I've already shared with you, and it's Shannon Mayer. She does the 40 proof series. And then of course, and she's the one that has that quote that I love that's, see my field of ducks, we know in duck stands for, it is barren, because she's like, I have no fucks left to give,
• 11:37
  Diane Black: Oh yeah.
• 11:38
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I love that so much that I discovered on my Kindle that there's that you can create like little quotes directly from your Kindle, and I seriously have like six of them just from her books where I'm like, this is perfect, this fits my life right now. Yeah. And the other one was, KF Breene, and
• 12:01
  Diane Black: Wow.
• 12:02
  Diane Black: she does the Leveling, Leveling Up series. And again, it's you know, 40 something who's like, you know what, y'all can kiss my ass. This is how I'm living my life, and I have no regrets. And I just really, really like that perspective. So and then a shout out because, now granted, she has a lot of characters in her
• 12:24
  Trisha Smith: So, it's kinda cool. She doesn't kill anybody various books, and they may or may not be 40, but Wendy Wang and her series, her book series is called, Witches of Palmetto Point, there I think there's 11 books in the series right now they're based out of Charleston, South Carolina. So her descriptions of the area are beautiful, and the women are very real, and they're just, it's very much their sisters or cousins, and it's just, it's a sisterhood that I really enjoy, because you know, too often, you just, you know, these books are like, oh this guy, blah, blah, blah. It's like, that's why I read so many books with male authors, because they're like, and I killed this guy, and I give two shits about it cuz you know, they gotta be all macho, right? And I'm like, yeah, that's what I want, so it's been nice to find like a book series where it's like this 40 year old woman she's like yeah, I killed this guy, and I'm like.
• 13:42
  Trisha Smith: except demons, but just sayin. I like it.
• 13:46
  Diane Black: That's good.
• 13:47
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I just wanted to share that, I found this whole little group and these women that get on and talk about these books they like recommend all these authors that are you know, doing the same thing and,
• 14:02
  Diane Black: Cool.
• 14:03
  Trisha Smith: They just really all enjoy it and it's nice to know that other people feel the same way I do, you know, about the characters they find in books. They don't want all these simpering, you know, oh, what do you want to do tonight? When do you want to eat?
• 14:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 14:19
  Trisha Smith: I know they're like, fuck you, i'm eating a Taco Bell.
• 14:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh!
• 14:25
  Trisha Smith: I know right, I would never do that. But, they have these bold, brassy women that are like, I'll do what I want.
• 14:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'll do what I want.
• 14:35
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, so I just want to share cuz I love it so much.
• 14:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think we can relate to bold brassy women.
• 14:45
  Trisha Smith: Yes,
• 14:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Saying,
• 14:47
  Trisha Smith: I'll do what I want. That's like we,
• 14:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: You're not the boss of me.
• 14:52
  Diane Black: Right.
• 14:55
  Trisha Smith: Exactly.
• 14:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: I love a good paranormal book. I love a good book, that other people are reading and suggesting it.
• 15:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's how you, I found the, Black Dagger Brotherhood, is from you, Trisha.
• 15:08
  Trisha Smith: The Black Dagger Brotherhood, man, they, that bar is so high for paranormal men.
• 15:18
  Diane Black: Oh.
• 15:19
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 15:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 15:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Trisha Smith: And I think all these books that I reading, even with the, the 40 Proof, for the Leveling Up series. I think they've read those books because they're men are equally, they're Black Dagger Brotherhood material for sure.
• 15:37
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 15:37
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, yeah. So,
• 15:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: I've read. I mean, I know she just has a new Black Dagger Brotherhood book that came out, Claimed.
• 15:46
  Trisha Smith: Claimed,
• 15:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, I haven't read that one yet. But I do like her series.
• 15:51
  Trisha Smith: I do too.
• 15:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: And I do read either that series or her small spin off series.
• 15:59
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, the Legacy series.
• 16:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: The Legacy series.
• 16:01
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 16:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: I read that one.
• 16:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: I really like. I mean, sometimes the language gets a little too, lingo for me but,
• 16:10
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Overall,
• 16:12
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 16:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: I really like the books and you recommended the very first book to me.
• 16:17
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 16:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: In fact you gave me the very first book.
• 16:20
  Trisha Smith: I did, I know. It was so good, and you burned right through them you're like, what.
• 16:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: I did, and then I think it gave me the first two hard copies,
• 16:29
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 16:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: I burned through both of those, and then I had gotten a Kindle for my birthday, and immediately after I put down the second book, that was the first book I downloaded on my Kindle was the third book in the, Black Dagger Brotherhood series.
• 16:44
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: And I've been hooked.
• 16:44
  Trisha Smith: There's like, 16 now.
• 16:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: There's a lot.
• 16:48
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, and then she has the spin offs, too.
• 16:51
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 16:52
  Trisha Smith: But I mean, it's like following a family. You know, now that you've been reading it for so long, it's like, you just you gotta know what's gonna happen next.
• 17:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: But it's nice to share books. You know, if you have an actor that you like, or if you had a book series that you like, and I like, I like stories, so I like stories to continue on for a few books.
• 17:13
  Trisha Smith: I do too.
• 17:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: Because you get wrapped up in it, and you're like, if it's just one and done, you're like, Oh,
• 17:18
  Trisha Smith: I know. Anyways, that's what I'm doing right now.
• 17:21
  Trisha Smith: I'm not really paying attention to the stories, I should be saving for the podcast because I'm too busy, you know, reading and not watching a whole lot of TV just literally, reading.
• 17:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: it's a good thing to do on a dark and stormy night. Does your grandson have a hard time falling to sleep on a dark and stormy night?
• 17:42
  Trisha Smith: No, he's just like me, yeah.
• 17:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: Does he like Nursery Rhymes?
• 17:47
  Trisha Smith: You know we've only done a few, we've only done a few Nursery Rhymes. He really likes and you know this Leyla because you've helped him along and finding all the different things. He likes just short little snippets, so, see you later alligator.
• 18:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, every time I leave I say to Donovan, see you later alligator, and he's like after while crocodile.
• 18:16
  Trisha Smith: And then it's slowly gotten longer and longer, you know, toodaloo,
• 18:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Kangaroo.
• 18:22
  Trisha Smith: Kangaroo.
• 18:24
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 18:26
  Trisha Smith: Bye bye butterfly.
• 18:26
  Trisha Smith: I mean he's just like every time he learns a new one he cannot wait to tell Miss Leyla.
• 18:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: His new little one.
• 18:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, but every time that's that's how I say goodbye to
• 18:38
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, Donovan, is like, See you later, alligator.
• 18:44
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 18:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: So maybe, so I'm not gonna do this but, nursery rhymes and lullabies, do you know a lot of them have like really dark histories and meanings behind them.
• 18:57
  Trisha Smith: I've heard,
• 18:59
  Diane Black: I have too.
• 18:59
  Trisha Smith: And I actually watched like a little blip on just one particular nursery rhyme.
• 19:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: Probably the most famous.
• 19:09
  Trisha Smith: Ring Around The Rosie.
• 19:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: Ring Around The Rosie.
• 19:11
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 19:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, Ring Around The Rosie, is actually I would say the most famous but you know, I didn't know it, I didn't know until I was researching stories and then I kind of came around it. So, Ring Around The Rosie, everybody knows the song.
• 19:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: Ring around the Rosie, pocket full of posies, ashes, ashes, we all fall down. So the origin of this rhyme is by far the most infamous. The rhyme refers to the great plague of London in 1665. The Rosie, from the rhyme, is actually the rash that covers the ones who contracted the disease, and the smell was so bad that they tried to cover it up with, a pocket full of posies,
• 20:01
  Diane Black: Wow,
• 20:03
  Trisha Smith: I know, so morbid.
• 20:04
  Diane Black: I did not know that.
• 20:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: And the ashes, were the cremated remains of the deceased, as well. They all did fall down.
• 20:14
  Diane Black: Oh, my gosh.
• 20:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: So yeah, so I didn't know this that,
• 20:19
  Diane Black: I didn't either,
• 20:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know, rosie's was actually the disease and it says that the ring it would be like red and like the center would be, like develop a black spot., and the smell was so bad that they used to stuff their pockets with flowers.
• 20:33
  Diane Black: Oh, god.
• 20:33
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 20:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: And as common as we know, from most plagues, burning the deceased bodies were way of, one, you know, trying to get rid of the bodies that were really diseased and help control the spread of diseases. So I thought that was like, I'm sure a lot of people are like, knew it, but i didn't know it. I'm 47 and I did not know that until, like, three weeks ago,
• 21:03
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 21:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: So when I read that, I was like, no way.
• 21:07
  Diane Black: I didn't know either.
• 21:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: So I'm like, well, what In other ones are out there that have dark meanings,
• 21:11
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, so, what ones did you find?
• 21:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, I chose I chose four others.
• 21:17
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 21:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: So Georgie Porgie Pudding and Pie.
• 21:22
  Trisha Smith: Yes, I've heard of it.
• 21:23
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 21:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Georgie Porgie Pudding and Pie, kissed the girls and made them cry. When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie ran away. Do you remember that one?
• 21:34
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 21:35
  Diane Black: I do.
• 21:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: So Georgie Porgie refers to an English courier George Villiners, Duke of Buckingham, who was rumored to be King James the First, lover While there is no proof of thi relationship, it is evident tha King James was very fond o villagers, Villa Villiners, wh gave a lot of money and ti les. Villiners, good looks and very well documented, are ver well documented along with hi love for women. It is said tha Villiners earned the wrath o several husbands whose wives h had sex with who did not alway consent to it. We get the why he girls cried and why Geor ie Porgie he ran away when th boys came out to play.
• 22:27
  Diane Black: Oh my God.
• 22:29
  Trisha Smith: Oh my God.
• 23:22
  Trisha Smith: I always thought it was lady bug. I didn't know was Lady Bird. I always Lady Bird. I mean, I always I always sung it to my kids as Ladybug. Like,
• 23:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Did you say your children will burn? Well, yeah.
• 23:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: For the little ones whose name is Anne.
• 23:41
  Trisha Smith: No, because that frying pan No, because that didn't initially rhyme. So we never mentioned that. Yeah, and but we just did Ladybug ladybug fly away home. And because usually it was when you caught one. You know you caught a ladybug.
• 24:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Different thing.
• 24:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: It may be
• 24:07
  Trisha Smith: Only a couple times sing about the burning of
• 24:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Their houses on fire and your children were burned. Yeah, we I don't think I ever did that to my children. I mean, so Ladybird Ladybird, has lyrics that are believed to be about the gruesome persecutions and execution of Catholics in England during the 16th century, a period where many priests were burned alive at the stake simply because they refuse to give up their Catholic faith. What the hell? No. What about me? Okay, next one. Mary Mary, quite contrary, yes. Yeah. How does your garden grow? How does your garden grow with silver bells and cockle shells? pretty maids all in a row. It's cute, right?
• 24:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right. Yeah, nope. So this rhyme is based on Bloody Mary has notorious for torturing Protestants at the 16th century.
• 25:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Once again, silver bells, cockle shells, and pretty baits aren't garden ornaments. They're said to be torture tools. Wow.
• 25:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Torture tools. Oh my god, the fucking 16th centuries, the new 70s. Alright, so I have another little short one and then I'll finish with my other one that I really want to get to. Okay. So here we go around the mulberry bush.
• 25:39
  Diane Black: Yep. Okay, Okay, here we go around the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush.
• 25:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Here we go around the mulberry bush so early in the morning drugs. Is it drugs?
• 25:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: It sounds cute, doesn't it?
• 25:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. Many times. Like skip along to
• 26:00
  Trisha Smith: Go in a circle and y'all fall. No, that's your mind.
• 26:04
  Diane Black: Yeah, you all fall down, right? Yeah. Well, this one is actually about the horrors of prison life. Okay.
• 26:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: So the song originated from female prisoners at HMP Wakefield some couple of 100 years ago where a sprig was taken from some tree which was you know, planted in a developed into a fully mature mulberry tree, which prisoners are forced to exercise around at the crack of dawn, regardless of whether
• 26:39
  Trisha Smith: Oh, so here we go.
• 26:39
  Trisha Smith: 6am in the rain the last one, okay, I'm gonna leave you with is London Bridge. Oh.
• 27:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Everybody remembers this. Right? Didn't purchase falling down, falling down falling down. London Bridge is falling down My fair lady, right. Do you know the second verse of that? No. Set a man to watch all night, watch all night. Watch all night set a man to watch her night, My fair Lady. And there's a third verse what there is suppose the man should fall asleep. fall asleep.
• 27:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: fall asleep. Suppose the man should fall asleep by fair lady.
• 27:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, there's several theories behind the origin of this old rhyme but the one that really stands out is the one about human sacrifice.
• 27:49
  Trisha Smith: That's when the laughs sobey falls asleep. Do they murder him in his sleep murder?
• 27:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, it was believed that a bridge would collapse unless a human sacrifice was buried at the foundations. The practice is called in merriment, which means the practice of intuiting someone within a structure where they slowly die from lack of food and water. Yeah, if you think about it, a game was played while singing the song where two kids form an arch and the others run underneath till the end of the song. And who was left at the end was trapped by hands of the kids forming the arch. Kind of sounds a little fucking creepy right now though, doesn't it?
• 28:38
  Trisha Smith: But yes, yeah. I think kids still play that like yeah, it's a legit game. When I read the
• 28:50
  Diane Black: The ring around the Rosie I was like damn this is this is twisted. How many offers are twisted you know all of that. Never twisted. When you think about I can't conjure up any any names right now but when you think about like some of the movies and books that have been like taken down remember like when Gone with the wind was taken down? Oh, so politically, right, right. Nobody's like thinking about these nursery rhymes. London great. Britain human team sacrifice Yeah, right. Now, so that's my little fun one and only because I thought that was like mostly interesting. Fun. And a dark and stormy lightless to each other.
• 29:41
  Diane Black: Like little hymns. Like, children Sims. Innocent, right.
• 29:46
  Diane Black: Is that was good. I liked it.
• 29:51
  Diane Black: Yeah. All right, Diane. Top that would bring a song girl. Not not gonna be possible because that was you got some good ones usually so yeah, yeah, thanks.
• 30:07
  Diane Black: Um, so this is another Florida yeah story we like those. Yeah, It's the Tallahassee witch grave. Oh, it's a centuries old legend actually so we don't know if it's true or not but we do know that there is in the Tallahassee Old City Cemetery.
• 30:37
  Diane Black: There has a towering, very ornate to in the center of it.
• 30:43
  Diane Black: They say it's very easy to get the feeling that this unusual grave magnetically beckons visitors to come closer. So if you're there you're visiting it you have this urge that you have to get closer and closer to it.
• 30:56
  Diane Black: So it is the most visited grave in the entire cemetery, mainly due to a legend about how it's the final resting place for a witch witch named Bessie. Scary cows name is not like a cow.
• 31:19
  Diane Black: Bessie. dog's name. Yeah.
• 31:31
  Diane Black: Bessie. Bessie, though, is actually it's a her nickname for Elizabeth bud Graham. And then she went by the nickname that's even less witchy than Bessie.
• 31:40
  Diane Black: Elizabeth but Graham, see she was only 23. When she died in the year of 1889. She left behind a husband and two small children she was laid to rest in one of talents has these most elaborate tombs. So it was also surrounded by a stone wall. A large granite vase, a huge monument adorned with sculpted feathers, Ivy and across inside of a crowd. So there's no doubt based on this lavish myth of this, too. This was the most expensive grave for that time period, specifically the year 1889. Because considering that wouldn't markers were still common for that period of time in history. So historians are not sure why Bessie herself rated such a fancy burial place that was usually reserved for you know, the the most wealthiest of people, but they're not even sure who paid for it. Although there's a traditional yarn about how she bewitched a wealthy man into marrying her. And he wanted to to commemorate her with the most elaborate stone in the cemetery.
• 33:10
  Diane Black: How old was she when she died?
• 33:14
  Diane Black: When 23 Oh, wow. 23 and left behind a husband and two children. So this is the legend about Bessie about Bessie Bina which is built all around a number of odd things specifically about her grave. So to begin with, Bessie was born in October the month of Halloween, right? That's like
• 33:41
  Trisha Smith: My kid.
• 33:45
  Diane Black: Her birthday is actually on Halloween. Yeah, I guess maybe back in 1889. It may be Yeah. So they attributed her birth is in the month of October. And her grave is the only one in the cemetery that faces West, which some say is very contrary to Christian burial customs, but it's the strange epitaph that is chiseled on Bessie tomb that has stirred imaginations and causes folks to conjure up a dark meaning. So you may or may not recognize the passage from the mysterious Edgar Allan Poe's Lenore I didn't recognize it myself, but evidently is very. I love Edgar Allan Poe, but this didn't ring a bell to me, but it's from Lenore. So on her epitaph it says, uh huh, broken is the golden bow. The spirit flown forever. Let the bell toll. A saintly soul floats on the sinjin River. Calm let the burial right be read the funeral song be sung anthem from the queenly is dead to died so young, a dirge for her the deadly dead and that she died so young. So that's what's etched on her epitaph and legend. Oh, yeah, legend believers have translated a variety of which evidence from the weird epitaph.
• 35:20
  Diane Black: Some equate that first line broken is the bowl to driving a steak into a vampire. So interesting. Yeah, you know, some of this is like, I don't know if it's really reaching.
• 35:35
  Diane Black: But anyways, this is so a lot of it is legend and lore. But this is what they bring it down to then the other line, the spirit flown forever, and saintly soul floats on the staging River.
• 35:50
  Diane Black: Those lines are said to mean that a witches spirit cannot cross the river of death, and it's trapped between life and death. And according to practitioners of witchcraft, who often visit her grave, the sturgeon river actually translates to the sticks river of Greek mythology, where in that mythological belief, the souls of the dead were carried across the river sticks to the lower world. Others refer to the line where it says the queenly is dead, as meaning she was the queen of the dead, and that the words doubly dead means a witch must be killed twice. So in spite of all the sinister allegations, there's I did a little deeper research and there was really no evidence in that besties life had any evil in it.
• 36:52
  Diane Black: But maybe that's why most people still tell you that she was a good witch. That's how she's known as as the Good Witch. So it's kept the spirit of Elizabeth, better known as Bessie, alive for more than 100 years, and the grave is open to visitors. And that is the story of tell houses which great as with everything, some people believe that it's, it's the truth and she was a good witch, not a bad witch. Actually, the pictures of the her to marker, especially knowing like back in that time 1889 only the wealthiest of the wealthiest had anything made of concrete like that. It is very lavish.
• 37:40
  Trisha Smith: And her husband, she had a husband and two children that she left behind it said at age 23. But her husband didn't have money.
• 37:51
  Diane Black: No. So they The story is is that she lowered a very wealthy man so it sounds like that she was maybe having an affair on the side. And not sure who paid for it. Right who paid for that massive elaborate too much. Though, then I guess that allowed itself so
• 38:13
  Trisha Smith: That she's a witch and you know, was able to Yeah, that's under Yeah. Bring it here. My house. Yeah, I was good stuff.
• 38:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. I love that. It's also someplace that if we wanted to, we could visit.
• 38:37
  Diane Black: Yeah. And it is very interesting, though. One thing that is factual is the epitaph on her. Her tomb is from Edgar Allan Poe's Wow. Lenore?
• 38:49
  Diane Black: Yeah, that epitaph wasn't someone's words are braided specifically for her say, I heard that. And then thought to her and put it on there. So yeah, that's crazy. Wow. Good job. Ladies. This was an interesting, eclectic episode for sure. Right? Hey, yeah, yeah.
• 39:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, curious.
• 39:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: When did she die? She died in 1889 1889. Okay. So Edgar Allan Poe was like night 1809 through 1849. So that's interesting.
• 39:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. That someone would think of her from one of his poems. I was just like, when was that? 40 years later?
• 39:45
  Diane Black: Wow. And that knowing that it has very specific meaning, you know, Edgar Allan Poe always kind of wrote and you have to extract your, the interpretation out of it. So yeah, I find that to be the most interesting scene of the story is why? Why that expert?
• 40:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, do you want to know something else?
• 40:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Interesting about Lenore? Yeah, so Lenore is the poem but it began as a different poem called the pain like PAE a n. And it was, I don't know, it was not published as Lenore until 1843.
• 40:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's interesting. Yeah, it is.
• 40:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: And we wonder, maybe that is the real story. I don't know. No, that's interesting. good stories. Yeah, you know what else is nice? What cocktail?
• 40:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. curling up on the couch or Yes,
• 40:47
  Diane Black: In the bed. You know, I keep yawning because it's like this rain is like, Girl, come let me go snuggle in a blanket and just enjoy this rain. So I think that's Yeah, go to
• 41:02
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• 41:02
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• 41:10
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• 41:14
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• 41:26
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• 41:41
  Trisha Smith: So until I hear from somebody,
• 41:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Alright, sounds good to me.
• 41:49
  Trisha Smith: Cheers
• 41:50
  Diane Black: Cheers
• 41:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Cheers