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Episode 62 Drew Davis Interview!!! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  Speaker 1: This is w W and e c W alumni THEOK
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  Speaker 2: The question is you let me talk to I.
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  Speaker 3: What do you guys want to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Me?
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  Speaker 3: From the color of rip in the world with.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you back, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, chilling
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  Speaker 5: vall ages. Welcome back to another episode of PCW podcast
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  Speaker 5: Championship Wrestling. My name is Wayne also known as Semi
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  Speaker 5: Dry Chicken. I am your host tonight, and we are
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  Speaker 5: gonna be talking not a prediction, not yet, no, because
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna squeeze something in right before we do our
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  Speaker 5: Summer Slam predictions. These are gonna now be my favorite episodes.
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  Speaker 5: It's when we bring a peep in, when we get
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  Speaker 5: a new peep, we acquire somebody new to bring to
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  Speaker 5: the show. You know what, I love doing these interviews,
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  Speaker 5: but I never let I never want to do them alone.
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  Speaker 5: So let me bring out the co hosts. Here we go. Hey, Drey,
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  Speaker 5: what's up buddy? Yo?
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  Speaker 3: Yo? What do do PCW crew?
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  Speaker 5: And these are these interview episodes I want more of these.
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  Speaker 5: You know, these are gonna be nice getting to know
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  Speaker 5: the fans, the people who listen to our show, wrestling fans.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: Now, a lot of shows you get that opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: to get the more in depth one on one with
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  Speaker 5: the listener, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: It's always a good opportunity when you can speak with
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  Speaker 7: your audience directly as opposed to just speaking to them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, doing it through Twitter and comments and
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  Speaker 5: stuff is cool and all, but I mean to get
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  Speaker 5: you on the show, give you the airtime that you
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  Speaker 5: need to tell us why you listen to our show
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  Speaker 5: and why you're a fan of what we're fans of.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, anybody who listens to podcasts, you've
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  Speaker 7: always find yourself in a position where they're talking about
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  Speaker 7: something and you're screaming into your earphones or something like
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  Speaker 7: that at what they have to say, or throwing up
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  Speaker 7: your own two cents and contradiction to what they have
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  Speaker 7: to say. So at least here you get to actually
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  Speaker 7: do it to our face.
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  Speaker 5: For really. Oh god, Trey, he's here. I can't believe
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  Speaker 5: he's here here. Oh my god, his name, man, he appears.
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  Speaker 8: I believe in Joe Hendry. I believe in Joe Hendry
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  Speaker 8: can do the London and Paris and Tokyo, America, Scotland
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  Speaker 8: and Canada and Mexico. This say, I believe in Joe Henry.
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  Speaker 8: I believe in Joe Henry.
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  Speaker 5: I believe in doil Oh it's me.
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  Speaker 2: It's me. It's a do oil E. God damn it.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it's catchy, dude.
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  Speaker 5: That could that could be your new shirt man that
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  Speaker 5: in the in the merchant on our prestling tease. I
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  Speaker 5: believe in Doyle. That could work.
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  Speaker 6: I hope, uh, I hope my voice fend stuff I've
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  Speaker 6: meant under the weather this week.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a bad case of Olympic fever.
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  Speaker 5: Were you swimming in the river in Paris?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say it was a toxic avenge.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, the toxic.
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  Speaker 2: The only prescription for this fever is more simone.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, or to go Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: All right, Well guys, we have somebody new.
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  Speaker 4: We have.
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  Speaker 5: A new gimmick, a new wrestler I knew, a superstar,
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  Speaker 5: a new peep coming to the show. Let me bring
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  Speaker 5: him on out.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, it's me Drew Davis, the Max Digital and
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. Thank you. So much for
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  Speaker 4: having me on today, looking forward to looking forward to
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  Speaker 4: learning more about wrestling, meeting all of you and just
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  Speaker 4: sharing what we love.
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  Speaker 7: Happy to be here, Welcome to the show, Drew, and
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  Speaker 7: let me stay off top. Kudos on the choice of
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  Speaker 7: interest them whos on that that is? Can we agree
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  Speaker 7: that that's probably one of the more underrated interest themes
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  Speaker 7: in wrestling history.
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  Speaker 9: Do you remember just at the at WrestleMania World there
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  Speaker 9: was that entrance thing they had that'd make your own entrance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: almost everybody did, either seen or Roman reigns, but one
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  Speaker 9: I remember one dude busted busted out Bobby Rude, Robert Rude.
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  Speaker 5: It was so good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I mean that theme itself didn't that arguably.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if it definds that we did, but
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  Speaker 7: that's probably one of the first themes that really got
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  Speaker 7: the audience into it as far as chanting and singing along.
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  Speaker 4: You know. For me, it's just I love those like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to call them carnies, but like I
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  Speaker 4: love that era of wrestling with like the big flowing ropes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like Rick Flair and Rick Rude and you know,
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  Speaker 4: Machra Man Ray and Savage Ring is King era. Like
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  Speaker 4: I just I love that, like that that aura that
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  Speaker 4: they bring to the ring, you know, as as much
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  Speaker 4: of a hero as they are or you know, heal
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  Speaker 4: it face. Just that that kind of classic, you know,
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  Speaker 4: boxing match, big rope feel, and I think Gloria's just
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  Speaker 4: personifies that perfectly. Every time I hear that song, I
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  Speaker 4: get up out of my couch and just you know,
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  Speaker 4: arms wide, looking at a fake you know, looking at
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  Speaker 4: a fake audience.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got the I have like one bathroom that's
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  Speaker 5: really big, right, and I do, like Andrew will tell you,
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  Speaker 5: I do it. I'll come out and I'll have the
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  Speaker 5: bathroom and I'll do like the spin to the to
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  Speaker 5: the song. I'll ask Google to play it for me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's just like I don't get it. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't. If you've never seen it, you'll never get it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, it's fucking glorious.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 5: It was so good and just like Doyle's theme song tonight,
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  Speaker 5: it's I don't want to cut it. I just want
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  Speaker 5: to keep playing it, especially Doyle's because Joe Henry hits
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  Speaker 5: that guitar solo and let me tell you, man, I
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  Speaker 5: just want to keep on playing it before YouTube attacks me,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 4: But it's that, you know, the audience just really clinks
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  Speaker 4: to just like Joe Henry Man. I mean, as soon
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  Speaker 4: as I heard Joe Henry I was, yeah, you know
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  Speaker 4: something that the fans can really connect to and and
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  Speaker 4: participate in. And I think that's what true wrestling is,
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  Speaker 4: is being able to participate with the fans and you know,
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  Speaker 4: working and changing and adapting based on fans. It's that's
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  Speaker 4: the best part of it.
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  Speaker 5: I was like on board with his video package of
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  Speaker 5: just him singing it, and then as soon as he
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  Speaker 5: started waving the arms, I was like, yep, that's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be a thing, and sure be it. I was watching
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  Speaker 5: NXT the other night and he was on and he
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  Speaker 5: did a concert and they were all waving their hands
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  Speaker 5: and stuff. I'm gonna I'll attach it to the end
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  Speaker 5: of this episode. I actually have like the full concert,
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  Speaker 5: so I'll attach it to the end of this episode.
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  Speaker 5: But uh, oh, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Do you guys know why I'm here today? Did you
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  Speaker 4: share the story?
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  Speaker 10: No?
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  Speaker 5: Actually, that's what I wanted to get into. Tell us
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  Speaker 5: where you're from, tell us how you heard about us, Like,
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  Speaker 5: how how we got here. You know, tell us your journey,
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  Speaker 5: your or story. I'll let you take the floor a
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  Speaker 5: little bit here, go.
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  Speaker 4: Ahead, all right, well, you know I'll give you a
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  Speaker 4: nice high level. My name is Drew, California, base down
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  Speaker 4: in San Diego, exactly. My first, my first. The first
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  Speaker 4: thing I can remember of wrestling when I was a
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  Speaker 4: little kid is I just I remember seeing two things
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  Speaker 4: Ted DVASI coming out on that on that massive like
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  Speaker 4: horse carriage and Undertaker's purple tie, standing next to Paul
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  Speaker 4: Bart holding the the urn, and I'm in Those are
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  Speaker 4: the earliest memories I have with wrestling, and I'm in surprise,
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  Speaker 4: guys a little bit. So I come from a you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was a total feeder kid growing up. You know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously I worked in the film industry, but I've always
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  Speaker 4: loved the theatrical storytelling just visual component of wrestling, you
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  Speaker 4: know that, the spectacle of it all. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I h after the film ministry, I got into tech, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 4: Last week, I was in a meeting with a colleague
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  Speaker 4: of mine and in the meeting, we were waiting for
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  Speaker 4: someone to show up to the zoom call. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, your sister happened to jump on and say,
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  Speaker 4: say his name and he'll appear. Completely unknown what they were,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, having no idea what she was saying,
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  Speaker 4: and just just out of instinct, I go, I believe
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  Speaker 4: in Joe Henry in the middle of a team meeting,
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  Speaker 4: knowing that any of what I was talking about. But
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  Speaker 4: she texted me, she goes, are you are you a
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  Speaker 4: fan of wrestling? I'm like a huge fan, she was, Well,
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  Speaker 4: my brother runs a podcast. She sends me the link.
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  Speaker 4: Lo and behold, I'd already been following your you on Twitter,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because I mean whenever there's a p l E.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just responding to everybody, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just trying to engage via Twitter. And you know, I
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  Speaker 4: definitely recognized the podcast. So as soon as I heard,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, I reached out to you guys, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, and that's what brought me here. You know.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's especially a global phenomenon like wrestling, be able
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  Speaker 4: to find people to talk to about it can actually
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  Speaker 4: be really difficult in certain areas, and especially you know,
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  Speaker 4: uh COVID post covid just finding you know, groups of
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  Speaker 4: people that love this and uh you know, be able
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  Speaker 4: to talk about it. That's that's why I'm here, just
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  Speaker 4: be able to you know, share my love for this, uh,
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  Speaker 4: for the sport.
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  Speaker 5: Dude, that's awesome. That's so awesome. And and it's we're
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  Speaker 5: like so active on the discord with wrestling. So it's
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  Speaker 5: like anytime of the day you just have like this
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  Speaker 5: is to talk about wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely thinks I'm having an affair all
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, dude, because they're always on the discord always
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  Speaker 5: and some as like I'll be busy, I'll see it,
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  Speaker 5: I'll read it, but like I won't engage sometimes but like,
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  Speaker 5: well I'm reading it. But you know there's some people
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  Speaker 5: who just watched aw you want to just talk aw.
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  Speaker 5: Then there you go, there's an a w chat, there's
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  Speaker 5: a new Japan, you know, there's we have everything, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll definitely I know it's sound crazy, but I
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  Speaker 4: definitely give a lot of credit to COVID for really
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  Speaker 4: reigniting my my, my, you know, my love for the sport.
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  Speaker 4: I've always grown up with it, you know, watched it
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  Speaker 4: when I could. I never followed it as completely some
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  Speaker 4: of my closest friends and then you know, because of
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  Speaker 4: COVID and then you know, I'd cut cable, so I
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  Speaker 4: was only had, you know, work with Hulu and Peacock.
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  Speaker 4: I remember one Saturday, I was just you know, seeing
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  Speaker 4: what was on Peacock and it just happened to me that,
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  Speaker 4: you WrestleMania when Cody Rhodes I guess read debuted thirty
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  Speaker 4: hang back and you know, yeah, I think he brought
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  Speaker 4: a lot of cat Wool fans back to w W
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  Speaker 4: lee And then you know, I just kind of got
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  Speaker 4: back into you know, watching you know the raws and
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  Speaker 4: the you know smackdowns again in between the events and
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  Speaker 4: getting back into you know, the storylines and the pacing
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  Speaker 4: of it all. And it's just, man, it's gotten me
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  Speaker 4: through a lot of crazy times, you know, and uh, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know that's what we've been dealing with over the
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  Speaker 4: last few years.
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  Speaker 5: COVID was such a rough time to go through and
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  Speaker 5: wrestling like the Thunderdome, I.
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  Speaker 6: Actually stopped watching, Yeah, crowd, I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was there was some pretty that was a
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  Speaker 2: pretty low point.
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  Speaker 5: For it was I was was pretty what.
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  Speaker 2: Was that group? But it was like slipknot, what the
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  Speaker 2: hell was that what were they called?
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  Speaker 6: Uh Ali was their leader and uh retribution.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that lend nowhere garbage. The whole the whole thunder
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  Speaker 5: Doom air was so rough, Like I remember one point
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  Speaker 5: just going like because it WrestleMania was like around the corner,
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  Speaker 5: like what the hell are they gonna do? Like are
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  Speaker 5: they really going to cancel WrestleMania like they they I
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  Speaker 5: was like, there's no way they're gonna do it. In
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  Speaker 5: the Performance Center.
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  Speaker 4: Were the screens in the dome actually displaying people or
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  Speaker 4: was it all blue screen? And then they just kind
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  Speaker 4: of projected it and put well.
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  Speaker 5: They they didn't start off that way. The screens weren't
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  Speaker 5: always there. That was a thing added way later. And
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  Speaker 5: the screens. I actually enjoyed them when they added the screens,
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  Speaker 5: but like, yeah, before that, it was just nothing. It
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  Speaker 5: was just yeah, I think it was in the Performance Center,
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  Speaker 5: I think it was, and it was just nothing, and
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  Speaker 5: like you could hear like the matt and you could
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  Speaker 5: hear like you could just hear everything, the heavy breathing,
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  Speaker 5: you ca hear them talking to each other. It it
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  Speaker 5: it was rough and like uh Nanda thunder Dom. Then
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  Speaker 5: they start adding the sounds in like the applause and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So they started feeding that in is a great Now
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  Speaker 5: we don't have real applause, we have fake you know,
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  Speaker 5: fake noise being pumped in, which they definitely use since
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  Speaker 5: then during live events. Not not where we're at, but
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  Speaker 5: if you're you know, if you're watching it from home,
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  Speaker 5: it's like, I bet they pumped in some crowd. Sound
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  Speaker 5: yea and.
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  Speaker 4: Verify and guarantee. From my experience WW Day one this
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  Speaker 4: year in San Diego, those booze for dom dom are
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  Speaker 4: real and loud and it is hilarious and to me,
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  Speaker 4: booling him for me is a sign of respect. That's
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  Speaker 4: I'll talk more about that later. But I'm a huge
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  Speaker 4: fan of heels and giving them, you know, the praise
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  Speaker 4: that they deserve to an extent. But man, be able
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  Speaker 4: to sit stand there and just bow him was I
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  Speaker 4: think the most fun I've ever had.
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  Speaker 7: All Right, So you just said that you're a huge
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  Speaker 7: fan of heels, so I gotta put you on the spot.
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  Speaker 7: Give me your top five heels of all time?
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, I mean there's so many, Man, the top
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  Speaker 4: five heels of all time?
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  Speaker 7: Your your personal favorite. I'm not going to You don't
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  Speaker 7: have to be objective about it. Just your top five
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  Speaker 7: favorite heels of all time?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I have to start with Eddie Guerrera. Hm,
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  Speaker 4: I'll enjoy kay, I'd say Kane, Let's see fire, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean early Angry rock Man. It was just so
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  Speaker 4: much fun. Let's see uh, let's go old school, old
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  Speaker 4: school macho man, Randy Savage man, and then let's see
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  Speaker 4: one more. I'm gonna go with the female and it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be kind of recent, but I absolutely love Chelsea
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  Speaker 4: Green nice and there's a there's a bigger reason for that.
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  Speaker 4: I I have so much respect for that, for that
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  Speaker 4: wrestler getting released from w W EE, crushing the indie
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  Speaker 4: scene and then coming back and just you know, causing
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  Speaker 4: like it's just so much fun to watch. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I say, that's my fine.
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  Speaker 7: Like that solid I'm not mad at it. That's a
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  Speaker 7: solid list you make. You make a great point about
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  Speaker 7: with Chelsea Green, how she was let go put that
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  Speaker 7: work in on the indie scene.
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  Speaker 3: Better than she ever was before, which seems to be.
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  Speaker 7: Has worked out pretty well for a couple of w
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  Speaker 7: w superstars who have that route.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think it was the first person to do.
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  Speaker 3: That, Wasn't it really wasn't Drew was the first.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I think Drew in the class.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Cody's probably had the most success with it, but.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Drew's a solid one.
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  Speaker 7: Who you know, first run Drew versus second run Drew
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  Speaker 7: is like two completely different wrestlers.
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  Speaker 4: Drew Drew right now is my favorite chaotic evil because
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  Speaker 4: he's on both sides. His social media game is hilarious
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  Speaker 4: when he when he goes, uh, you know, uh, like
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  Speaker 4: was it slow day at work? And then like five
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  Speaker 4: minutes later, you know, it's I think he's got such
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  Speaker 4: a good understanding of how to push you know, the wrestling.
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  Speaker 4: You know, wrestler's buttons get the fans either, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: chanting with him or going against him, and he is
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  Speaker 4: just so good at creative heat. Man, it's just so
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  Speaker 4: fun to watch it. He's my favorite run.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like this week on Raw, him and Punk,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I love Punk cutting promos and he's so
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  Speaker 5: good at it. And this week Punk Punk just always
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  Speaker 5: throws out the best and he's dishing it out to
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  Speaker 5: Drew and he's like, oh, yeah, what you got And
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  Speaker 5: Drew doesn't say a damn word, and he just sucks
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  Speaker 5: all the air out of the room and he holds
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  Speaker 5: up that bracelet and I was like, yeah, that's some
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  Speaker 5: heel shit, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, he's making a strong case for MVP this year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: At the end of the year we do awards awards ceremony,
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  Speaker 5: and that man is on everybody's list for Heel of
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  Speaker 5: the Year and a bunch of other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's definitely in the running right now. His
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  Speaker 3: work is unmatched.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think another person I'd like to
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  Speaker 4: point out another female wrestler, Jane I was at a
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  Speaker 4: was it Shawna Baisler? Yeah, yeah, I think she got
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  Speaker 4: the short end of the stick coming off of what's
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: your face? Am I blinking? Yeah? Of Ronda Rowsey. You
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: know that was not a good setup. And uh, when
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I was at when I was at the live event,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you know, I was the only one standing up rooting
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: for her, and I actually made it out to the
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: camera a few times. You see me throughout the uh,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: throughout the night, because I think she's so so talented.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: May not have the best promo skills yet, but I
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: just think technically she is such a standout and uh,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you know that's she's got some more you know, she's
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: got some distance to travel, but you know, I really
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: hope that she gets the you know, more heat from people.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I think she's phenomenal.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Well. So, so tell us about your your involvement in
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: like with w W E films, right.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: So great question.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: So before I got into tech and all that, I
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: used to work in the film industry and I went
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: to I went to cal State northrig in, LA, right
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: in the valley. Part of part of that experiences we
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: had to intern and you know, we had to internet
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the studio with the camera house, an editing house, whatever
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: it was. And through a mutual friend, someone reached out
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: and mentioned that they have friends over at w W Studios.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: And this was this was back in two thousand and nine,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: and in my you know, as a film geek first
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: at that time, you know, always you know, lover of wrestling,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the appeal for that internship was actually one of the
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: executive producers at the studio of time was a first
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: assistant director on one of my favorite comedies of all time,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Wet Hot American Summer from David.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, anything anything that those guys are involved in, I'm there.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, I've worked the David Way and I'll tell you
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: about that in a bit, but he's a blast. It
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: was a TV pilot that you'll never see. So I
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: had to take this internship. I mean, I was so
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: excited and I show up, you know, and again, this
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: is not like Sony Pictures. This is not the Warner
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Brothers lot, This is not you know, HBO. This is
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: one floor of a small building in the middle of
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: La okay, right, This is not a big you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: this is not sound stages. This is literally just a
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: production office. And I was hired as an intern to
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: basically do script coverage. The day I show up is
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: the day that oh man, is the day that twelve
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: rounds with John CeNAT Premier and basically rumbled. And you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: box office numbers were not there where they wanted them
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: to be. And I remember this. Two hours into my job.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I was still getting my computer setup. Vince McMahon shows
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: up to shut us down.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Turned that ship off, that scrap.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember he got into a room with
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: the other producers and fortunately they had enough to keep
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: it going. And wow, I you know, so essentially my
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: biggest role in this internship was again again what we
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: call a you know, someone who does script coverage. So
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: it was my job to read every script that came
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: into the door, whether it was already in a massive
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: pile or through the mail slot, and I would take notes.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm looking at how many actors, how many locations,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It's going to require a lot of stunt work? Is
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: there a lot of special effects involved? So I'm looking
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: at it from both the creative process and the fiscal mindset.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: And you know, all of these scripts that I'm reading,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I'm basically doing. Remember back in like middle school would
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: go online and looked like the shorthand notes for all
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: the books that we had to read. Yeah, yeah, I'm
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: basically creating when.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: I was a kid that I knew that so quickly, but.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I mean I was basically creating cliff notes for these producers.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: So when the screenwriter called, or the agent called, or
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the producer director called, the producer at w W Studios
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: could act like they've read the script and that they're
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: totally engaged. Right, So it's it's all of my work.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: And there were scripts that came across like The Chaperone
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: with Big Show and Knucklehead with Triple H and I
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: begged them not to make those movies, and here we are.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: But that being said, uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: his last name. But Jay Schandrakassar from Broken Lizards showed
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: up one day with the script. I don't I don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: know if I have to sign an MBA for this
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: or not, but it's too late. I'm going to tell
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: the story, uh, you know, because who knows what they'll
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: make it one day. But essentially it was a Greek
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: god slash wrestling movie. And so he showed up because
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: he wanted to hire you know, actual w W wrestlers
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: to play those Greek.
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: Gods and never made it past the front desk, which
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: I was, you know, which I you know, of all
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: the scripts I read, that was the one I was
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: most excited for, being you know, the Broken Lizards at
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: that time.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: That's so much heat. They were so over with you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: uh stoner college kids at the time, you know. So
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: it was like I thought it was the perfect movie
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to bring in wrestlers, and you know, so I did
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that for about six months. Yeah, and you know, there's
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: there's nothing glamorous about it. I maybe saw a wrestler
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: every once in a while. For me, the best part
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: was that I got to go into the warehouse and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: got to go through all like the props and you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: gear from from from twelve rounds. So you know it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: so that that part was cool, right, You get to
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: see how things were made. But you know, at the
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: end of the day, it's you know, everyone thinks when
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you talk about film, everyone thinks, you know, red carpet
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and celebrity and everything, all goods and glamor. No, no, no,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: it's not like that at all. It's hey, are you
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: know the executive producer's birthdays this afternoon? He saw Australian
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Can you find him a bottle of one that's only
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: found on the other side.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Of l A.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Right, So it was a lot of go for work,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you know, but that's part of it. You know. You
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: got to you got to earn your stripes, You got
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to pay your way, you got to prove that you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: you can get things done again, you know the Yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: you got to pay your dues, which I think is
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: one of the biggest faults of most film students. Every
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: film student wants to be assistant director or director right
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: out of film school. I mean, in day one that
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I don't have to work my way up as a
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: set PA. So well, after w W Studios, I was
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: very fortunate to basically be pulled into a circle of
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: assistant directors that were constantly sharing me from job to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: job the job, and I was actually I was doing
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: post production inserts on Snow White and The Huntsman, Okay,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: and right next door, uh this this was over at
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: the Universe. What's nott was this? Yeah? This was the
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Universal backlob behind Universal Studios, And I was I was
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: working on Snow White and Huntsman and right next door,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I you know, it was one of my fellow assistant
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: directors and they were doing post production on Uh it
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: was a fast five or fast six. It was Gina Corano.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: That was That was fast.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: That was fast, And so I got to work with
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Gina Corano on the rack, you know. And I'll say,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: this man working with the Rock at that point in
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: his career, absolute blessing. He was humble, he was you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say shy, but he was. He
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: wanted to be a part of the process, you know.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: He was he was still learning, getting getting his feet
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: wet in the film industry at that point, and so
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: it was great to see him at that stage of
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: his film career. I can't you know, I can't really
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: say the same thing about him now. I definitely have
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: my opinions about him inserting himself back into certain storylines
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: and you know, the nepotism and all that, But at
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that time, and it was what he was a blessing
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: to work with and creative and you know, I had
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of great suggestions and you know, very collaborative
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: when I met him. So that was an absolute blessing. Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I mean as far as you know, my you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: as far as my film and wrestling crossover, and that
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: really is the brunt of it. But man, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: when you're in an environment like ww studios and you
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: have people like Vince McMahon, and you know, obviously there's
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: current politics. But I one thing that I truly loved
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: and appreciated and one thing I was really I had
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: a front row seat to, is this global business that
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: his family has created is the most impressive thing I've
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: ever seen. More so when you're watching. I can't say
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: so much about it right now.
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: But back then, everything on raw SmackDown, on any pl
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: e anything being advertised was one hundred percent WWE related.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: He didn't have to pay any you know, outside advertisement
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: because all that they're advertising their video games, they're advertising
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: their action figures, the music products, documentaries. It's it's just
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: the circular business of just self advertising. It's a brilliant
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: business model, right, and it just it shows how just
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: lucrative and massive that industry is. And I think that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: was the most impressive thing about working in w w
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: CS is seeing the different facets of the business and
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: just you know, just again, you know, you don't have
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to advertise other movies because you're advertising you know that
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: the horror film with Kane that was coming out and uhl,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: yes you no Evil. So I think to me that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: was the most impressive piece of it all. Absolutely.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Still, uh I've still hoped on the still hooked on
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: the fact that you said that Vince tried to come
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: in and stop twelve rounds. I think, I mean, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: think it's funny that that's what drew into like I
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: gotta shut this one down. That's the one Vince that yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: in person, that's the one Vince where he's just like
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: it's like that scenes like where is he? Where is
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: that some bitch. Let's get him, Let's get that some bitch.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Like really that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Day and Sina was doing interviews for MTV. Yeah, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: they had the premiere literally like the day before, so
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I mean they were all in town. You know, it's
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: not like he was flying from the East coast to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the west coast. He was already in town. And at
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: that point, w W students was already a little shaky.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: They were already you know, not really sure about the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: direction they were going. You know, it's like, should we
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: just be a trend and burn factory where you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: our wrestlers are available for movie deals, or should we
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: produce our own stuff. I mean, if you look at
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: their if you look up their history, I mean, most
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: of their stuff was you know, it was distributed by
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: you know, was Samuel Golden and twentieth Century Fox, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: very low budget. And I'll say this though, the producers
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: at the Helm I learned so much from and they
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: had some very experienced producers. They just didn't have the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: support of ww as a whole. And it was that,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, how how do we find that
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: balance of do we do we create our own product
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: or do we rely on all of these scripts and
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: you know there's you know, scripts about like a family
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: of superheroes, and you know it's like, well, what you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: and we had a board of Okay, which wrestlers would
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: work best with you know which script? And you know
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: that that's kind of like where their bread and butter
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: was because i mean, again, you know you have Knucklehead
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: in the chaperone. Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: I mean it looks like now, I mean they've kind
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: of steered away from the movies they've the last movie
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: they had was Rumble in twenty twenty one, and it
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: looks like they're doing more documentary stuff or reality TV
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: with like Beyonce and Montes Ford. Their documentaries are really
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: good though.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: W W does really good documentaries. Like whenever i've I've
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: watched it with someone who doesn't you know, really watched
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: a lot of wrestling, and I was like, oh, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: got to watch this documentary on you know, I don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: know John Cena and say, oh wow, it's like really
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: put together. Well I'm like yeah, it's like that's one
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: thing they do very well is documentaries because they have
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: all the footage, they have the rights to all that ship.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: That's why it's so good.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Well I can say this as someone who's worked in
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: reality television.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but scripted, Oh yeah, I bet that's why
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: I hate it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: You're going to tell me wrestling is not real.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: No, dude, No, it's real to me. So like all
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: of that, How was that Divas show? Uh?
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Was that all scripted to that Divas show? Total Divas?
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I guess I would assume so. But like this is
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: so much that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I love the Missus Journey.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Missus. I did watch a little bit
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: of that because.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, before that, when he was on Real
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: World Wrestling Competition, Yeah, but then he was also on
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: w w's you know, like try out but yeah, tough enough,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: you know, and all that. And I love the wrestlers
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: like Chelsea Green, you know, to kind of to kind
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: of backpack a little bit, but who you know, have
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: put in the work, who behind the scenes are champions
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: of everybody in the locker room, who've had to pay
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: their dues and continue to support and be amas and
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: just want to be a part of that process. I
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: love those types of wrestlers. And you know, I was
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: watching that, I was watching that documentary recently. I Finally,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: I've never watched before, the one about the Rock and
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Mankind and uh, you know, like what goes on behind
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: the scenes, and you know, someone who loves storytelling and
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: the CAFA aspect of wrestling, you know, I do love
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: the peak behind the curtain. But I will say I
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: think they went and I agree with Cody Rhodes on
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: this and in a recent interview, I think they kind
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: of bled. Besides a little bit too much, okay with
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the you know, the road to WrestleMania, because you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: the whole thing with the Rock, you know, he joins
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: the board of directors. Next thing, you know, his daughter is,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: you know, a manager at n XT and yeah, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: and then you know, we we have this incredible storyline
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: of you know, Coder is coming back tearing his you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: tearing his peck muscle, all of the you know, the
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: tals and tribulations, you know what you can call, you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: the all the different obstacles like hercules, working his way
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: back up just for the Rock to say, you know, hey,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I want to start this storyline now.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Really, I really picture him just putting his hand on
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: his chest, like Cody's chest, like just like wait a second.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: And you know, from from a you know, just from
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: a story perspective, it really I lost a lot of
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: respect for The Rock that day. You know, I know
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: he's a great wrestler and he's a legend, but you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: it just it felt too much like nepotism, kind of
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: just stepping in and you know, we can go that's
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: the whole different podcast. But you know that when you
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: have creative control, are you focused more on yourself or
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: what the story demands or what the fans want? And
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I'll also say that I think the Internet Wrestling Council
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: was you know, it's composed predominantly of casual fans, so
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: you know, the whole Cody kry Baby movement and all
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: of that, right, you know, you know, when when The
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Rock tried to come out with the Family Tree and
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: they tried to like kind of reset his motivation and
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: made and made him Heel Rock, you know, I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: that was an interesting pivot and save and I think
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: that's what helped it move forward. But I was definitely
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: nervous because it was, you know, you have creative versus fans,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and it was it was a really difficult thing for
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: them to work through. But I think that's just a
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: testament to triple H and you know the other producers
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes, you know, solvag and a really messy situation.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: And that's but that that's what I love it. That's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: why I got into film in the first place.
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you make a valid point there with go ahead,
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: no no, please please, You make a valid point there
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: as far as you know Rocks or questioning rocks motivations
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: for trying to insert himself into the main event, because
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: you could definitely argue that that reeked of arrogance, and
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: since that they already had plans in place, and rather
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: than him just come in and say, hey, what can
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: I do to help push this forward, it seems like
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: he definitely came in and said, well, hell, I'm here
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: now and I want to participate, but I'm only going
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: to do it in the biggest way imaginable, which came
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: at the expense of a stray line.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: That everybody was clearly already invested in.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: And you know, the Internet resu IWC doesn't always get
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: it right, but I think in this case, and this
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: is probably you know a little bit of a Monday
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: morning quarterback and a little bit or you know, hindsight
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: is twenty twenty, but definitely seems like this is one
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: of the cases where the IWC speaking out worked out
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: for the best. Now, obviously, had you know, had they
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: really fumbled the ball and limped their way into WrestleMania
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: stumbling trying to salvage this thing, then we might all
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: feel different. But you know, credit to the IWC for
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: you know, speaking up and you know, coming to I
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: guess the Cody's defense or whatever, but speaking up for
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: the the storyline that they were invested in and wanted
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: to see carried out. And then props to w W
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: for you know, coming out with the compelling way of
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: getting us that story and pivoting in a way that
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: worked out for the best. And props to the Rock
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: for once that was the direction they decided to go,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: fully embracing it and going all in in that direction.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Because you know, for as much.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: As we may criticize him for having been arrogant for
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: inserting himself in that position in the first place, once
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: they pivoted and went the other way, he gave us
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: some of the best damn work he's given us in
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: years as that final boss heeled character.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, dude, we got nights in a row.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: I mean that was phenomenal, right, you know what I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: once he was in, he was in, he put he
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: put the work in, you know, I mean he worked
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: him there an hour long matchup, you know, night.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: One, so and yeah, And to your point, Drahmond, that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: a testament to the creative process. I mean when you
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: when you work in film, you know, you have an
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: entire team of people, and as an assistant director you're
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: trying to keep everyone on the same page for the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: entire shoot, right Like you're constantly navigating, you know, obstacles
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: in every different department, trying to keep everything running smoothly
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: at the same pace. And then you know, sometimes you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: making creative choices that completely pivot the scene, you know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: And so you know, we can compare that to something
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: like the WWE. You're you're on a live show and
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: you're reacting to what's happening in that moment if there's
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: an injury. I mean, we'll definitely talk about this in
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the next podcast, but I one hundred percent believe that
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: it was supposed to be Ilia Dragon Off versus the
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: same musine, not not Brown Breaker. But that's that's my
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: own personal thing, but being able to make those types
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: of pivots on the fly and have that kind of
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: creative I mean, when you find out that you know
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: that there's different people producing every single different match, I'd
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: love to see that. I love to see what goes
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: on behind the scenes to create these, you know, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: and how they feed again, feeding off the fans what's
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: best for the story. I've definitely, I think in the
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: last few years, I've learned a lot more about ww's
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: approach to long form storytelling and not getting that instant
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: gratification and being okay with that, and I think that's
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: where a lot of the IWC and the casual fans
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: are not really comfortable with me yet.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: Well, that used to be the like they used to
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: only occasionally bust that out, and now it seems to
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: be the rule. You know, You've got to remember that
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: that eight months ago, some and so made a comment
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: to someone telling, you know, because it comes back up
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, you know, and it's, uh, it's cool.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: But there.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: I hope going forward they're able to make it so
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: approachable again. You know, you don't have to like like
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: you can't sit down and watch a Marvel movie today,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: you gotta go back and watch thirty other fucking things,
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: right like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And wrestling shouldn't be like that, you know.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: I mean that it should reward you for years of
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: viewership or whatever, but you should be able to pick
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: it up pretty quickly.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Oh that's the bad guy. That's a good guy.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: They're gonna fight it because of this boom scene, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: and I hope that they're able to maintain that while
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: also providing the fans service. And as you know, and
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I've been critical of trips pacing sometimes with some of
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: these stories, sometimes they're just too damn long.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: Long term storytelling is good by and large, but sometimes
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: it doesn't need to be you know, sometimes doesn't always
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: have to be three months.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Sometimes three weeks.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: Is just finem Yeah, but but but yeah, you're absolutely
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: right about that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Not every story needs to be long form.
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you can just give us the quick popcorn flick.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Not every storyline deserts, not it deserves. Not every storyline
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: was the long form complex, you know, intricate treatment. Sometimes
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: just give us two motherfuckers who don't like each other
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: and just want to, you know, scrap it up for
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: But the prime example, like seeing Punk and Drew McIntyre,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: this thing's been cooking since Royal Rumble.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: I love it, and they kind of warrants it for
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: you know, obvious reasons of you know, Punk's injury and
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: stuff like that, and also the caliber of opponents.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: You know, warrants something like that for a long term.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: But was seth you know, right, and.
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: And you pivot right right exactly. So I mean, you
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: know that long form storytelling is justified. But take on
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: the other hand, you know, Final Testament and New Day.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: That shit don't need to be long. You can resolve
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: that whole storyline in a month and move on and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: then maybe.
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: And rather than trying to give us this long story
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: towards the climax, just give us something quick and let
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: that be a chapter maybe, and another storyline that you're telling,
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: Like maybe you have something long drawn out for Final
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Testament as a whole, but it doesn't have to involve
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: the judgment, I mean, involve New Day.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: For the entire duration.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: New Day can just be a chapter and y'all can
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: get in out done with that within a couple of
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: weeks and then move on to the next chapter. Like
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: there's different ways to do long form storytelling, but I
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: think they're kind of sticking.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: Tom got to get five matches on a pay per view,
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: you know, and and some you know, like like the
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: tag titles for example, can't see the sniff pay per view,
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: but we can put them on SmackDown before the pay
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: per view.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: M Yeah, guys, I have a question for you, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I'm relying on your expertise and your knowledge of this.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: So I was watching an interview with Billy Gunn and
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: he was talking about his experience of you know, working
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: in the ring versus working on a TV show. He
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: got it was like some Nickelodeon too. I think that
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: he was cast into like be a wrestler, and you
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: know he was just you know, uncomfortable with you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: like having to do each you know, posed shot by shot, waiting,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: you know, waiting to change angles and all that stuff.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: I think that comes with you know, making a TV show.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Then you have you know, the same person in the ring.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Now obviously, yes, there's you know, the scripted aspect of it,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: and you know there's the seven emotional beats that the
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: wrestlers have to get through to tell a story in
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: the ring. Is there right now still a lot of
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: wrestlers who are improvising when they go live? I'm like,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: raw or is there still very much scripted beats? And
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: i'mous to hear perspective on that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Oh, I I think
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of ad living and I and off script.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: I don't feel like it's as tight as it used
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: to be. I feel like it's a little bit more loose.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: A lot of the wrestlers feel a little bit more comfortable,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: especially ones that were I say, quote unquote raised by
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Triple H. I guess back when he was in NXT.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: A lot of those guys who grew up with him,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: like Seth Rollinson's and they're on forward like that that generation.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: I think they're they're used to being able to work,
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: work on the fly if they want to want to,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: and I believe they have like bullet points they probably
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: have to hit. But at the end of the day,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I feel I feel like with Triple H, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: in control, I feel like they have way more rain
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: or you know, range to go.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I think it depends on who it is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think, uh, you know, a Cody Seth
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Drew a punk has more latitude of that kind of thing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: Candice lay is uh is high up on the people
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: they want ad libbing list.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I think they I think.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: They probably want to want her to say her four
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: words and that's it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sure they have writers for I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: it's like, hey, look, I'm bad at this. Can I
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: have the assistance of a writer and say, oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: We hired this writer who worked on the Big Bang
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Theory for three years. They know everything about wrestling.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: If you read that Gowartz book, I forget what it's called.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: The book.
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: Brian Gowertz wrote The Rocks like right hand Man, a
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: lot about a lot about that kind of stuff.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It's a great book.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: If you haven't read it, we'll check that out.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: And it talks a lot about the writing process.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: And also he worked he was there, you know, ten
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: years ago, so it's not quite it's you know, and
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: the whole because about Vincepin'svin' Spence Vince and things have
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: changed obviously, But yeah, it's from what he says, it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: pretty tightly scripted. But then again, you know, you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: Roman Reigns the higher up, you know, the longer you've
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: been there, the more cachet you have, the more you're allowed.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: To improvise a rib and whatever.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can eat.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: The punk seth Drew things has had a lot of
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: ad libbing, I think, and I think all three of
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: those guys are you know, definitely on the list of
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: people that it's okay if they, you know, go off
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: va off the road a little bit. But I mean,
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: the television business, especially live television everything, so it's got
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: to happen, you know, in thirty seconds or you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: whatever it is. So I think they're pretty on point
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: with what they're going to say and how they're going
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: to say it, and how long it's going to take
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: them to say it. I don't think it's as ad
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: lived as you think it is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: William Doyle, I'm actually glad you brought that up, because
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: I did want to kind of with that question. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: did want to segue into the fact that I think
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: as a filmmaker or x filmmaker, one of my favorite
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: aspects of the live you know taping is what happens
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: in everyone's earpiece. Coming from Gorilla. I've worked on several
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: multi camp shows before I've worked on live production before
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: where you're in the Gorilla, you know, queueing this angle,
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: this shot, this sound cue because I want to I
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: want to hear everyone's opinion on that botched sound cue.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: When priest was on his back, probably concussed, and they
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: counted to three and then Drew's music, you know, piped on,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: and you know they did their best to cover it
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: up on social media and to say, move on, guys,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: move on. It was meant to happen that way.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Has come out and said like, yeah, it was his fault.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: He uh, I mean, like sposed to take the blame
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: for it, and he didn't. Yeah, he fell on the sword.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: He did come out of that, I think said he
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: was supposed to. I think he did follow the sort
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that he was supposed to kick out, but he didn't.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Right, Good on him, man, good on him, because I
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: mean that was you know, obviously a visibly messy moment.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: And you know, you know that they're going from Gorilla
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: to uh, you know, Mike Cole to the ref. You know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: everyone's just trying to you know, because you know then
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: you have to rely on Michael and you know, why
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: am I blaking in his name to basically, you know,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: create story like I'll say this, I love one of
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: my the greatest moment of my life in twenty twenty
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: four was attending a live you know, raw but you
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: miss out on all that juicy storyline from the announcers
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: on the sidelines, and I think that's you know, they
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: really helped flesh out what's happening in the ring, what
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: happened just before, and what you know, what to expect,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: and that's such a cool part. It's like it's like
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: going to a you know, a sports event. You know
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: it is is a bit you know, is football just
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: as exciting from home as it is on the field, right,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: And I think with something like wrestling where there is
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: storytelling involved, you do miss out on that particular aspect
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: of what you get every week. And so it's it's
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: really interesting to see, you know, how are they running
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: the show as is and then having to pivot like again,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: you know, I'll say this for the next podcast, but
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: you know, Iliot getting injured, how do you you know,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: how do you pivot from that moment?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Every now you used to get a.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: Especially when they used to like have an international satellite
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: feed or whatever. Every now and then it'd be a
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: fuck up and you'd get the gorilla or you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: the production track for a little while, or I remember
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: the last time I remember it happening was actually during
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: the pandemic when one of the international feeds or whatever
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: didn't cut away commercial. Yeah, when there was no one
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: in the arena and the rest of the stop wrestling
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: commercial break, remember that. Yeah, and then you see somebody
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: give a cue and I go okay, and they're back
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: in a headlock when commercial stuck. You know, you used
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: to see shed like that, and I think they've kind
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: of clamped down on that. But every now and then
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: you'd get a couple of minutes of the wrong audio feed.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Or something.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: That's a YouTube rabbit hole, go down one of these things.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I got a couple other questions for you, if you
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: don't mind, please, Like, have you ever been to like
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: live wrestling events like pay per views or raw smackdowns?
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I'm in my forty years of existence,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: well you know, working in film and just you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: just the way my life is gone. You know, I
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: never gave myself the opportunity to go to an event.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: You know, I never had the force have to say, hey,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: when is this event coming? To my city, my state,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: living in San Diego, it's not easy. The only event
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: I think in the last three years was Raw Day one.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: And you know, again, I follow wrestling and you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: and you know, I'm very involved. But my first real
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: live event was Monday Night Raw January first, twenty twenty four,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: and I bought that ticket four months before the show
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: even started. I mean I bought it well in advance,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: and I knew if I was going to do this.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: First of all, there's no one in my immediate world
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: that I would invite to this. As as a film geek,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I go to the movies by myself. I don't want to.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be asking questions. I don't want
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: to be answering questions for someone who's not as up
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: just bec as I am. I want to be fully
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: invested in that moment with the crowd and with the wrestlers.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: And I you know, I splurged a little bit. I
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: got vi P two seats. I was third row from
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: the ring. I specifically picked a seat knowing where the
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: camera was going to be, so that I would be
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: on camera throughout the night because I want, you know,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: I wanted, I wanted to castrial aspect of it. I
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: wanted to show my reactions. I wanted to get involved.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I wanted to have the greatest night of my life.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: And uh, you know, surrounded by fans and just that
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: close to the energy and the action, it's it's it
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: is electrifying, it's exhilarating. I watched the injury occur where
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I want to say, chiampa. Uh today he kicked oh god,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: what's what's his name? One of the one of the
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: one of the Germans. He like, he basically kicked them
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: too hard, got concussed and you know that you saw
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: them and but it's just you know, And then got
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Samantha Irvine in person, absolute goddess, you know, you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: watching Mommy that close. I said, you got some of
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: the pictures and in in our in our group chat,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: and it's you know, and you know I got to.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I got to go home with a VIP share and
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: a mini belt. You know I got and you know
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: you got to. You got to meet one of the
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: wrestlers as part of the VIP package. It was gender.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Oh and you know, don't hinder the gender man. I mean, listen,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: I know he's passionate. I know he's humble. I know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: he respects everything that the w W has done for him,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you know, and he had great energy when he came out,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: and everyone was booming him and I forgot what he said,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: but someone translated what he said to me what he
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: said to the crowd, and you know, different languages. You know.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: He you could tell he was having fun being there.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: But obviously it was just a foil for the Rock
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: to come out. And they had shown they had shown
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: a package in house that was purely for the audience.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Based on the package they were showing, everyone was convinced
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: that it's gonna be the Undertaker. So for the Rock
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: to come out was just you know, he he just
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: him being there, man, it is so great. And then
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: but one of my favorite things is at the top
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: of the night, first and foremost, that entire auditorium or
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: stadium was packed. There was not an empty seat in
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the house on the first night of twenty twenty four.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: And right before they went live, Fluffy, you know, the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: standard comedian, was sitting on the exact opposite side of
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: the stadium of me, and they you know, they put
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: a light out in the camera and you know, there's
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: just there's just an incredible crowd to see all forms
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: of people there, that to me really cemented that, you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not a unique person in this count there are
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: people from all different aspects of this world that have
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: a passion for wrestling. I mean there were like high
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: school girls dressed as like live and you know in
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: rear Ripley sitting right behind me, and you know, just
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: to see the real passion from from actual fans and
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: not just the you know, online trolls was so reinvigorating
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: for me and showing me like I had a place
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: no matter who I agreed with or disagreed with, it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: a it's a global phenomenon, and that really cemented.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: That for me.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: That night it was special, very different than when you
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: go to like a sports event because like here in Philly,
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: Doyle could test this like if our team would lose,
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: you know, the whole the town, I'm gonna get like
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: little on fire, you know, or if our team wins,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: our talent's gonna probably.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Get your team, not mine team.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, it's like, but wrestling fans, there's there's
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: none of that in the parking lot. There's no there's
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: and like when we were at wrestlingia. Seeing the tailgating
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: was completely different. Everybody was so nice. Everybody was so cool.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: There there's there's no like, oh, you're you're a fan
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: this person, like we hate you, like we don't like you,
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: just like in football, like oh you're a fan of
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: the other team, like go to hell, like you know,
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: but there's not there isn't that in wrestling. It's like, oh, cool,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: you're a fan of this person. Oh cool, Like your
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: cosplaying is this wrestler as the macho man, Like that's
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: so awesome.
• 59:48
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean like I'm in the audience surrounded by
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: like you know, like right if he was a dad
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: and his kid, and here I am, you know, booing
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: Seth and Sharon Drew McIntire and okay, look at me, shit,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: and you know he's like, oh my god, how could you.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, but it's true, you know, dude, like and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: just but it was all fun and like even though
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: we're like you may not agree with the person next
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: to you, we're all there feeling that energy. Man, And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: it was again, it's it's so tangible. That's so cool.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: I think my favorite part of all was just being
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: able to just walk and I again, I can't do
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: this at like a baseball game, because we were just
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: had a baseball game and I was talking to Andrew
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: about it, like like, hey, we couldn't do what we
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: did at WrestleMania. Could you imagine us just walking through
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: here just going woo and seeing it like see how
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: many people we can get that to this woo or
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: just walking around just going you know, we're just doing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: like you know, la night, like catchphrases and stuff like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: the response to people who are just waiting in line
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: to get hot dogs and pizza or waiting line to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: go to the band just drop everything to like, you know,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: I got a woo with these people real quick, hold
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: on like you know, it's it's funny. I would just
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: be like walking to to you know, the bathroom or something.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I was just.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: To hear like forty other people do it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: The biggest disappointment of the night was that for me, of.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: The podcast so far, or of the event.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: No no event, you know, my you know my my
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: wrestling love goes back you know past the attitude are
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: and all that, but there's a particular sign that I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: wanted to bring back, and unfortunately this particular stadium didn't
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: allow you know, uh slightly r rated signage. What is it?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: And I had dom Dom eats Corn the Long Way.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love those. Yeah, that that one gets me,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: just like the Tribal Quef. That's another one that got me.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: The tribal Quief. I think the guy got like kicked
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: out and escorted out, Like I followed him on Twitter
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: for a little bit, and then he like would try
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: to get back into wrestling events and walk around with it,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: the tribal quif. But yeah, that's a good one. So
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: and so East Corn the cop the long Way. I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: love that one.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: That one is they caught it and they confiscated it. Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had signs confiscated to when I was younger. Yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: it's it's like, hmm, you gotta the way he can't
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: just bring like a dry erase board. I can make
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: him as I go.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Right, Uh yeah, I mean so as far as I can,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: Like I have my I have my eyes set on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Wrestle Media forty one in Vegas. Yeah, I'm gonna be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: there that week, but I mean tickets are yeah, they're
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: not on sale yet, so just patiently waiting for that moment.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: So what's your wrestling shirt situation, Like, right now we're
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: looking at closet. What wrestling shirts do you have? Do
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: you have any at all? Do you intend on starting
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: the collection, because once you do, you can't stop. You
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: need one to wear it to an event.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: I have one sweatshirt, yeah, and it's my favorite because
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: it harkens back to my favorite era of wrestling and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: raw is war in the classic logo.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: That's a good one. That's a good one. Hold on too,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: That's the one I feel like you could be wearing
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: at them all and some other dude around, you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: thirties forties like us, we'll seem like, hey, like, yeah
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: that's right, man, that's all right. Brown panty matches all
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: day long, you know, given the middle.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, growing up, my wrestling collection was always action figures.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, you know what teamsman. You know. It was
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: always like like crossover action figures or just a straight
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: up action figure. So you know, I mean so as
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: a kid, you know, always like I was raised in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: a family where my dad was staking me out of
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: school in my entire life to see movies. Big part
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: of the reason I got into the film industry. In
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the first place. So thank you, Dad, if you're listening.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: But you know all those Hull Cogan movies like Mister
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Nanny and they always like from Space and the Yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Oh man. So I you know, a lot of my wrestling,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, fandom was through that medium and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: action figures, and I mean, god, what was the first
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: What was the first PlayStation wrestling game that I owned?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: That was?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: It was Attitude?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: It was I think it was Oh yeah, it was Red.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: It was like, uh, I think I I think Stone
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: Cold c Boston was on the cover of it. It
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, yep, I remember exactly what we were
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: talking about because I said the same one that was.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: I mean that was for me, yeah, I mean that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: was the game that really got me into wrestling. Multimedia
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: was that video game.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: Action Figures. I don't like collecting action figures, but I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: was with one of our listeners, Dwayne Coleman. We were
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: aut getting pizza and we were waiting for the pizza
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: to get ready at Mama's Pizza. So we're like, let's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: go into Cash Reverters, which is like a pawn shop here,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: and I was digging through the action figures there and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: they had two in the box wrestling figures and their
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: only reason I picked these up one because they were
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: dirt cheap for good reason. And two these are action.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: Figures of people who we will never get to see again. Sonny,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 10: who's it gonna be in jail for quite some time.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: So I have an actually figure of Sonny now back
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: when she was in her prime. I'm just I'm just
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: gonna put that out there. I'm I'm gonna put that
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: out there.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: Clear's day downloaded women on the Internet. Yes, not not
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: the recent son Yes, do sound like you know, you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: know from experience.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, let's see.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Growing up, my brother was really into Stable. I was.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so it was brock when he was also
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: a kid.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: Jesus, we don't have to go down that road of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: how he courted her, very very weird story. But for me,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: trist Stratus was I think my my original crush.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think. I think she's the one that helped
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: most of us, Superberty, I'm pretty sure if you didn't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: have a I think most of us had a poster
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: trist Stratus up on the wall.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: Speak for yourself. My first wrestling crush was Woman in Peace,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: Woman Woman mm hmm.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: The only even remotely attractive female was Miss Elizabeth.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: Remember I was a w c W got grown up?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, gotcha, yeah woman aka Nancy ben Wah.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: The other action figure I got was a It was
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: a Vinceric man. Yeah yeah, I thought, uh that man,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: I have one of somebody who's in jail and one
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: of somebody who should be in jail. I was like,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: this billion dollar asshole, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: because you know what I feel like, one.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: Day you're gonna get a Superfly.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: You gotta get Billy Jack Hayes.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: I think I'm just gonna collect controversial superstars or like,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: I know, I know what's wrong, but I want to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: get I gotta get a Chrispin wall one. I have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: to get ted Dip debiosity R. I actually have like
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: a wall of shame. That's what it will be, the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: Wall of w W shame. Like, yeah, everybody on everyone
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: in this one's in jail. What's that?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: I almost picked up some Dan Housen merch big fan.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: I just think he's a little too prone to injury.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: And you know, whether he got wasted in e c W.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: I thought his Indian Run, it was all he ever need.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: And I think ECW My belief in day one was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: that ECW was gonna chew him up and spit him
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: out pretty quickly, and I think that's basically what happened.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I was, you know, oh no, I was gonna say,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's injury prone. I think a w's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: injury prone. Given to the long list of people who
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: are on the injured Drosster, including Cool Edge, Dan Housen,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Eddie Kinston, Jamie Hayter, J White, J D Drake, Julia
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: harric Keithley k Omega, uh merrow Or Ortiz, p Penelby Ford,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Powerhouse Hobs, Ricky Starks, Ruby so Ho, Sammy Garverara Samoi,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: Joe A. Scorpius, Sky, Shane Taylor, Trent Burretta, and Wardlow.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: And that is just a W.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Sorry well but but but to that point, you know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: from my understanding, it's a W is. You know where
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: real wrestlers go and you get to see real wrestling
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: matches and real injuries. And I'm like, okay, so you're
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: you're for going story to put on, you know, a spectacle,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: and you know whether you want to call it spot
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: matches or whatever. But I I washed a few matches
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: and I was like, this is the sloppiest wrestling I've
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: ever seen. Well, you know, I'm they're they're relying too
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: much on timing with their spots and I just s
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: too many botches. Yeah, and I was like, I was cringey,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Like I was like, I don't like, I don't want
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: to see someone get injured. It was hard to watch
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: because I felt like everyone's gonna get injured, and I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: don't respect that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Town.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: In about two weeks in my area, I'm one defence
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: on whether I want to get tickets to it or not. Yeah,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: and not just for a random show they'll be in.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: It'll be a uh, it's gonna be a dynamite and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: collision taping. If I decided to go, at least i'll see,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: you know, the main stars.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think they're doing shows. I think
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: they only do TV.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: I think I think, for the most part, I think
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: they do occasional live they used before.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: The pandemic they were trying to start doing them, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: then I since then, I don't think they haven't done
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: any but.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: It's happened once or twice.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: I love hearing stories from life.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: It could be either you should go.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: You know, it could be a great experience, you could
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: learn something, you know, who knows.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm genuinely considering it. I want I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: need to check my work schedule and see, because unfortunately
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: it's going to be in norfolks. So if I even
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: if I were to go, i'd have to it'd still
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: be at least probably like a thirty minute drive after work.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: But I am genuinely considering it. I just I'm on
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the fence.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'd love to go to an NX team,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: you know, event I love what Sean Michaels is doing
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: with that. You know, I know he's got a lot
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: of support behind him. But you know those wrestling like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: I love watching mid card matches where it's you know,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: young wrestlers who want to put on a show and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: show up everyone else.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: You're describing the first hour of nightrow.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: That's fucking true.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Give give them that, give them that platform to you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: merge with the audience and create a bond and that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: energy and say, hey, let me show you what we're
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: capable of. And you know, obviously, sometimes they can get
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: a little too risky with those matches, but when they
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: put on just a good math and then you say,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: here's what I'm capable of, here's what we can do,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: here's what we can build together. You know, are you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: do you want to go on this ride with me?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Like I love those matches, you know, giving them a showcase.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: You know, it's I think that's such an important piece
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: of every night. And that's why it kind of drives
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: me crazy when you bring seth rollins back into an event,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: or you know, you have someone like the Rock show
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: up again, it's like, no, no, no, let's let's give
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: someone else a chance to step up, and like, you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: have this massive roster of great wrestlers, let's see what
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: they can do. I mean, yes, you know you want
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: the you know you want the veteran All star appeal
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: brings back you know, older fans, and you know, like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm so excited for Sena's final run into
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: you know, twenty twenty five looking and I hope he
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: really gives younger wrestlers the opportunity to really you know,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: showcase themselves against him. But I think that they'll really
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: squander it.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: If they if they waste that, absolutely right, they're doing
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: that somewhere else too. I think we can all agree.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: Uh Robert Downey Jr. Is Doctor Doom.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: That's a different podcast.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: That's a different podcast all together. But uh yeah, uh yeah, dude,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: I agree. It's a same thing with like the I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: always thought that with Money in the Bank and the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: Roy Rumble, It's like, oh man, I always thought an
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: upcoming wrestler should get that position, get that spot. And
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: then and then it became like, no, we're just going
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: to use as a segue, So we're gonna have the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: Rock win it, and then we're just gonna use it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: up for him just to get himself in the title picture.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Or we're going to use this briefcase and cash it
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: in the same night and waste it.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Basically speaking directly to that, Drew McIntyre and Punk did
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: not need a title in their feud. No, that in
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: the Bank was one hundred wasted on Drew McIntyre. They
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: are so over with that crowd and they haven't even
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: wrestled yet, and the crowd is just eating it up
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: and loving every single bit of it. I Mean, the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: only thing I could think that came from that is
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: it's just further drawing in the point that Drew is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: getting in his own way and he's not thinking about
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: the bigger picture and what really matters to be successful.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: And I mean, it was obvious that Punk was going
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: to foil it anyway, so that feud did not need
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: that that title should have gone to anybody else. I mean,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: the Chad Gables dropped from what's fifteen feet up, it
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: was incredible, And all the other wrestlers in that match,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: there are so many other wrestlers that I think could
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: have done a lot more with that. With with the briefcase,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: oh dude, I absolutely agree.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought they needed to get rid of one
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: of them. I hate that they have two briefcases. I
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: like that they just got rid of one of them
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: right away and we can put all the emphasis on
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  Speaker 6: on Tiffy because it's Tiffy time.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it is absolutely tiff time. A great example of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: another I don't I don't really get her team up
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  Speaker 4: with with my checks.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, though, I think this is a lot
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  Speaker 5: of summer Slam talk. I think we'll get into summer
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  Speaker 5: Slam on another episode. But but you're I like, I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: love that you're here. I love that you're your your peep. Now,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: I hope you're willing to come back on at least
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: to be on the show.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's so it's nice to get out from the the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: audience and get behind the booth and put on the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: headset and and chat some wrestling.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: But hey, man, we should do some color commentary for
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: a live for a live of event. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Michael Cole on mute and provide our own color commentary.
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  Speaker 5: I would love to do that, or you know, have
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: you on when we review some We're talking about doing
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: some WWE movies or not just films, but anything that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: a wrestler's in movie wise, so not specifically all those
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: god awful WWE films.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so and yeah, and I know, and I appreciate
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to come on here and just be with
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  Speaker 4: like minded people. Man. It's it's great to be around
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: other wrestling fans who understand what I'm actually talking about.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: I remember the other night I was at dinner with
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: my dad and it's like, why do you like it?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Dad, I know it's fake, but it still hurts.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: But these wrestlers are capable of how athletic they are,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: the stamina that they have to have, how flexible they are,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: you know, how much movement they have to be capable of,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: how strong they have to be. You know, it's like
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: we've really evolved from those you know, big meat, slaughing,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: big meat, you know wrestlers. Now it's like it's athletes,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: it's football players, it's gymnasts, it's it's it's you know,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: there's this new generation of athletic wrestlers that it's so
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: they've really elevated the sport. And being able to talk
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: about that with people, it's just it's been a blessing
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: because no one really and everyone's like, oh, you watch wrestling,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: how old are you? And I'm like, do you even
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: have any idea what's happening in that industry right now?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: It's so exciting and you know, again, it brings a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: whole diverse group of people together. That's what I love
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I was just in California last week and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: talking with some folks out there and explaining to them
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: just how big WWE has gotten over the last you
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: know a couple of years, and I mean they were
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: genuinely surprised, like like they obviously, like most people, they
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: were older wrestling fans who you know, used to watch
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: the product but aren't you know, actively watching it now.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: But just me telling them that stuff, like you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: WrestleMania's gone two nights and that cities are actually bidding
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: for WrestleMania now because it's gotten that big, and they were.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Like, are you real.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: I'm like yeah, they were like holy shit, like they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: were blown away at just how big it's gotten. So
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: as much as we applaud WWE for how big they
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: have gotten now, they still have room to grow. They
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: can still get even bigger because there are still there's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: still a group of fans out there that they have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: not brought back in yet. As much as they brought
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: in obviously a whole generation of newer fans and a
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: whole slew of newer casual fans, they're still you know,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: there's still that older fan that fell off with the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: product that can still be brought back in. And that's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: you know, surprising and impressive at the same time. The
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: fact that again they're as big as they are now
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: and still have so much room to grow.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: That's the our truth.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, true. If anybody's trying to reach you, like on
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: social media, they want to they want to find out
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: who you are, get to know you. Where can they
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: find you?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Great question. You can find me on the Instagrams or
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: the twitters at at the Max Digital. And that's Max
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: with two x's the Max Digital. I'm a sucker for
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: eighty sci fi you know, Max Headroom, that was the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: for that. Yep. So if you want to if you
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: want to talk wrestling, movies, just life in general, I'm
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: here and you know, looking to learn and grow and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: just you know, share, you know, whatever the situation, right,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: But at the Max Digital, I'm here and looking forward
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: to you. Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: And he's also in the discord so you can find
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: him there to So alright, guys, well this has been
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: a great interview. We're we're gonna come back around around SummerSlam.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: We're gonna do a predictions episode that'll be fun and
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: see if we can get you on that episode two.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: So alright, guys, let's get the hell out of here.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, cool year, Bye bye bitch.