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#164 - Did But I'm A Cheerleader age well? (w/ Dr. Zackarina Jenny-Hoe) · Did That Age Well?

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Hello, listener and viewer. Welcome to another brand new
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episode of Did That Age. Well, I'm your host, Molly
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community. OK, and now on to the fun stuff
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today. I am so I'm so excited for me,
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excited for you listener, excited for my guest.
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My gosh, today we have the doctor Zacharina.
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Me, the live studio audience is going crazy, by the way.
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A lot of you know, you can't hear, but they're going, they're
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going crazy. These these microphones are so
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high quality that they don't pick up on that background noise
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and that is the beauty of dude ID case.
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Hundreds of people in the audience.
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Thank you guys. Thank you guys so much, Doctor
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Zacharina, welcome to the pod. Thank you for having me, I am so
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excited. And I am so excited that you're
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here. Tell me, what have you been up
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to tell the people about your podcast?
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What's going on in your world? I am also a dude, IDK studios
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fan lover, long time listener and caller.
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I am excited that I am launching a podcast called Pillow Talk
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with Doctor Zacharina. And so it is a sex positive
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podcast. It is an intimate drag podcast
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where we talk about all those things, sex and partying.
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Our stories are what we've learned and and resources and
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how we can help support people through fun and whatnot.
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I also do have a second podcast that's coming out that is also
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produced by Doodai DK Studio Shadow.
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I spend half of my life here. I love.
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This. Oh my God, they're like so sick
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of us. Just kidding.
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Yeah, literally, I'm like, I think I see Nick more than I see
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anybody else in my life, Right? So he is.
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Mother, he is, father you. Know Nick is mother down?
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Oh my God, Mother down. And it's going to be a Dungeons
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and Dragons podcast. So cool with lots of drag
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Queens. So super fun stuff on the
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horizon. Having fun, being excited that
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summer's coming. A 70° day made the depression
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melt away. Oh my God, I was happy to get
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out of bed today. I was like, Oh my God.
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I feel like now that the weather is nice again, I'm like, oh,
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this is what it feels like to be alive.
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Yes, you know. I truly forget I've been here
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now this is my third year. I'm going on, you know, Year 3,
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and I don't realize how hard the winter affects me until I get
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out of it. Nice.
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Yeah. And then I'm like, oh wow, It's
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like that. Was rough.
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You don't realize that you were hungry until you have a bite to
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eat and then you're like, Oh my God, I was so hungry.
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Yeah, and the the little like fake 70° days that have been
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happening. Oh, that's my first bite.
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That's the bite telling me, girl.
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I'm hungry for the. Summer.
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Oh my God, and we are hungry. Yes, yes, I'm wearing, I'm I'm
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burying my legs today. So you're and so are you.
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Minus the seven layers of pantyhose over top of it, but,
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you know, basically. Aesthetically, we are
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approaching summer boom. Literally boom.
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There it is. OK, tell me about your history
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with But I'm a cheerleader. I let me tell you, OK, let me
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log in. All right, let's everyone get
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comfy. I knew of but I'm but I'm a
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cheerleader for a while. Never watched it until summer
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20/21/22 question mark where that pride month I decided I was
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like I'm going to watch a movie every single day of pride month
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and I'm going to do a queer movie.
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I made about 7 days. But still important and, and, as
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they say, queer stories matter. Queer stories matter for the
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first week of Pride. There are about 7 queer stories
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that matter. I mean, and I think I got the
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big ones. I got the big ones and I sparked
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notes the rest, but it was like my second or third movie I
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watched during that that time period because I was like, I
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know that this is classic queer cinema.
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I was like, I know that this is on every blog that I had looked
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at of like top 10 gay movies you need to watch.
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You know, it's got your Brokeback mountains, it's got
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your whatevers. But but I'm a cheerleader was
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like one of the if not the number one for like most of
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those lists. Totally.
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I don't know this reference. So watch it the first time at
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this point in my life, I was starting to maybe get into drag
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like very much playing in mommy's makeup.
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It wasn't anything serious. And then I knew of RuPaul at
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that point, I knew of a couple of like queer culture things.
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So then I watched it and fell in love, fell in love with it.
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Could. You not it is.
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The epitome of camp. Like yes, it is a master class
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on camp. It's a master class on how to
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tell a pretty serious story. Yeah, in such a fun way.
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I so that was the first time I watched it and then watched it
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again last. Night Oh my God, amazing that's
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so fun. So you were a late bloomer to
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this movie, which is the case for a lot of people.
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It was a real sleeper hit. People didn't really, I mean,
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like, both straight and queer people when this movie came out,
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they were like, no, because like the older gay men who were
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reviewing the movie were like, we still need to make sad
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stories. We're still sad.
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Like, how dare you make like a funny ha ha movie in, you know,
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in the aftermath of AIDS? And then the straight critics
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were just like, I don't get it. Yeah, but that, that makes 1000%
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sense. Yeah, but now over time, it's
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become such a cult classic, especially with queer audiences.
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But really, it's a story for everyone.
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It is. There's a.
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Little something for. Everyone.
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It's a story for everybody. Yeah, yeah.
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OK, I have a question for you. I.
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Have an answer I hope. Were you out in high school?
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No, wait, are you gay? Just.
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Guys, I think you need to go. I am sorry there's a
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misunderstanding as I'm wearing a breastplate, a wig and I'm
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sorry. Have you?
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Been listening to Melissa Etheridge lately or considering
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vegetarian. I was not out in high school.
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I was closeted with glass, but I was closeted.
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Was not out in college. Joined a fraternity, my entire
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fraternity, shout out Sega. My entire fraternity was like
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the sweetest, sweetest humans on earth.
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One of them had a gay twin brother and he would always be
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like my gay brother who I love even though he's gay and I would
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love anybody else who was gay. And I'm an ally.
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Literally being like, and if anybody were to tell us
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everything right now, we would all we would all be supportive.
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Does anyone have anything they want to get off their chest?
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Literally off their breastplate. I was living off both levels of
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chest. I was the Natasha Lyonne of
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like, no, no, I was like, that's awesome for your brother.
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Just like fully oblivious to it. But came out in in COVID time.
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So the story in some ways resonates with me in like
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certain aspects, especially in the sense of like the denial of
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being greatest 'cause that was my story for high school.
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Because it wasn't until senior year that I was like, oh, I'm
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gay. It was like watching other
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people in relationships. And when you're a freshman, it's
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like, girl, I'm just trying to get the third period alive.
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Like I'm just trying to figure out what the fuck's going on.
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And then senior year it was like, you have so much more
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time. You have so much more like
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perspective. And so I was just like, Oh no,
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Oh no, yeah. So that was my that was my
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journey with coming out kind of thing like time wise.
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Totally, That's so interesting. I think how your story and the
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story of of Megan and but I'm a cheerleader.
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It's like there's something that maybe like it.
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It's almost like maybe they you didn't know, but there was
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something essential in you that was like, you know.
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Yeah. You know, Hi, Cooper.
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Cooper, the dog has come to say hello.
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Cooper, the dog, said. I want to get in on this.
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But I've got something to get off my chest.
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Cooper, if you need to come out, we do support you.
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Do you want to just lay down? I should have asked you.
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Are you allergic to dogs? I'm not.
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OK, thank goodness, because this would be, this would be a.
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Bummer, I do the rest of the podcast from outside.
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Right. Yeah.
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Because the dog stands right, I'm kicked.
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Out. You go out.
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Yeah. Well, oh, we can hear you all
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there. No worries.
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OK what was I saying? Oh yeah.
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So basically like, it's interesting that in.
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But I'm a cheerleader. It's not as though she's like,
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Oh my God, I'm gay and I have to hide it all the time.
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She's just like, oh, I'm, I am gay.
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And I didn't expect that because what I'm a cheerleader, because
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she's femme and because she's like, you know, got all of these
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traditional like gender expressions of just like a girly
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girl and like. This movie, and you see it very
10:42
early on, plays into stereotypes, punching up and
10:47
down. I would argue like punching in
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the middle most of the time, like the one of the big ones in
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the beginning of her being like becoming a vegetarian.
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And everyone would be like, that's one of the biggest signs,
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you know, And it's just so outrageous.
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But it's all playing on like, OK, well, the stereotype of
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you're not fitting into the mold.
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You're not out here, You know, like, compared to the one
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character that is like, I am straight.
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Yeah. I just play softball.
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I wear baggy pants and they're like, no, there's no way.
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It simply could not be. That, that that wouldn't make
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sense, right. And so I love that it is.
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Yeah. To your to your point, it's not
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a I'm out and I need to hide it. It's not like a classic queer
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story that that I get really tired of, of like the love
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Simons of the world. Great movie once not 17 times.
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And so it's a fun different take on it because there are stories
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like that of people who are like their queerness.
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Is this like, oh, I didn't realize that was like, what?
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This was right? Yeah, because it's like, I think
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it was really pretty revolutionary at the time that
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they were telling this story about how queerness can look so
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many different ways that like, just because you're femme
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doesn't mean that you're straight or like just because
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you're kind of more Butch doesn't mean that you're a
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lesbian. There's so many different ways
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that they express gender and sexuality that they're showing
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that, like, the two are not the same.
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But that was like a novel idea back then. 1000% the like the
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gay guy trope of the 2000s of like the honey Oh my God vagina.
12:34
Like it was like that was all you saw on media.
12:37
That was what you saw so much of just like the most present
12:42
mainstream culture. So it was like if someone didn't
12:45
fit a stereotype, it was a gag. It was like, how are you gay but
12:49
your butcher? How are you gay but your like it
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was not comprehendible. Totally, which is why I think so
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many people were like, I don't get it.
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I don't get. This movie, Yeah.
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You know, but. My biggest take with movies is
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sometimes you don't have to get it to enjoy it.
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Like it's such a fun movie, even if you're not even like a part
13:08
of the queer community or trying to understand anything.
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It's so fun. It's just entertaining.
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So entertaining. That's The thing, is that like,
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it's just a damn good story. In a 90 minute movie, clock it.
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Clock it, bitch. Just.
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Love a 90 minute? Movie.
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They wrapped it up so quick. Hot take.
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If you can't tell a movie in 90 minutes, you're a bad writer.
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That is. That is a take that I'll take to
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the grave. Oppenheimer being like 15
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fucking hours. You're a bad writer.
13:33
Yeah. If you can't tell me in 90
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minutes, you know who can tell me a great story in 90 minutes?
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Shrek track one track 2 Clock clock.
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Clock clock This movie is 85 minutes, 85 minutes and guess
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what? It is perfect beginning, middle
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and end. Yes.
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There's no part where I'm like, I wish this was longer, I wish
13:51
it was shorter. It is.
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I think there's sometimes, and that's just a tangent soapbox of
13:56
like when you increase time for things, that's when things get
14:00
sloppier or like less intentional.
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And I see that with like drag performances, if, if there's no
14:06
limit, you see a girl go out and do a 9 minute number and you're
14:08
like, this could have been 2 1/2 minutes, you know?
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Leave them wanting more. Literally the number one thing I
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remember when I first started drag, someone told me was you
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never want to hear the critique or the like feedback of like,
14:20
whoa, that really lasted a long time.
14:22
That's like one of the worst pieces of, like, feedback you
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can hear. If like someone's going like
14:27
this is so going on, yeah, that's bad.
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That's. Bad.
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And that happens with so many movies.
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Not with. But I'm a cheerleader.
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Absolutely not. Finishes.
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And I was like, oh, shit, that's it.
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Yeah. And that's, I think the best
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feeling you should leave your viewers with.
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I couldn't agree more and I think that the same applies to
14:45
miniseries and TV series. Docu series we need to stop with
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like dragging out a docu series for 10 episodes when like bitch
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I could have been a 2 hour documentary.
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Put it in one. Just why did I see the same
15:01
interview 17 times? I didn't need that.
15:03
I did not need. It and I don't need the
15:05
companion podcast. I don't need the companion book.
15:08
I just like, like let it go. Yes, wrap it up, let it go.
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Wrap it up, let it go, get to the point, get to the meat and
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potatoes. Exactly, I'm also are you do you
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mind that? Oh my God.
15:19
Kind of just like all all splayed out.
15:21
Cooper. Cooper is getting comfy, just
15:24
the slow. This is my podcast.
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Now, Cooper, get ready. You're going to be sharing your
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opinions. I'll put up a cheerleader.
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Now you're. Do you?
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We need your critical analysis of queerness in the 2000.
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Oh my sweet gay. People, you can get cancelled,
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yeah, even if you're gay. It's true a lot of the times, a
15:46
lot of the time, especially if you're gay, you think you can be
15:55
the voice of the community. You don't know anything.
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Oh God. OK, you want to know something
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wild? Jamie Babbitt, who directed this
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movie, She said she wanted to create the gay Clueless, which I
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love. She was just like, we need
16:10
something fun and light in high school, but gay.
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She made this when she was in her 20s.
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Bitch, what have I done? I've just been sitting here
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gapping into a mic for years like.
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But have I been creating a world changing film?
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I could never. No, it that's the same energy as
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when you're watching the Olympics and somebody's 15 and
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they get 14 golds and you're like, I fell up the stairs this
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morning, like I I got a Charley horse standing up, you know, and
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that's how I feel with stuff like that.
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I mean, and we were talking about this a little bit before,
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but Natasha Lyonne in the movie is 19.
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Incredible breakout role. Breakout role.
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We were saying she both doesn't age and ages like she looks the
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exact same but just I mean yeah, that's how aging works.
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She looks the exact same but older.
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As I say that take crazy take over here, but like it is like
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she looks the exact same and like more mature.
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I don't know. I love Natasha, but when I was
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watching I was like 19. I was like holy shit.
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And she ate. 19 director being like 20s, like I love that
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because there is so much I feel like youth in this.
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That's like absolutely at its core.
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Yes, and the way that that Jamie Babbitt talked about it was
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basically that like because they were all so young working on
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this set, they had a they were a lot more willing to just take
17:38
risks and be bold 'cause they were just like, yeah, whatever.
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They weren't like jaded by the industry, they just wanted to
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like, make a fun movie. I love that.
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I know, right? But you know what's fucked up is
17:50
that when But I'm a Cheerleader was made and it was getting its
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rating, they almost made it NC 17 because there's like gay
18:04
stuff. No way.
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In that era, there's, I mean, and still this is something that
18:11
is very controversial with the MPAA, but they they made her
18:17
take out. Let's see, what was it?
18:19
There was one thing where they had to take out a line about
18:21
somebody going down on someone. And then and then there was they
18:28
had to take out like a masturbation scene and they had
18:31
to add more light to the scene, like to the hookup scene to show
18:36
that they weren't doing anything horrible was what they said.
18:41
So anyway, but when she made it, she's like, this is a rated G
18:44
movie. This is, this is like, there's
18:47
nothing inappropriate about this, but because of, you know,
18:52
discrimination. Right, Right.
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Because it was the early 2000s. Yeah, And they were like, oh,
18:57
because it's gay. It's so.
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So Jamie Babbitt said that she wanted to make a movie about
19:03
what she knows and she is a lesbian.
19:06
And when she was, yeah, I know. Oh my God, problematic.
19:12
It was Cooper. He said it.
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So her mom ran a teen rehab. And so she basically just like
19:21
grew up around around rehab, around like treatment centers.
19:26
And she was really inspired by Clueless too.
19:29
Wanted to tell a lesbian love story where they don't kill each
19:32
other at the end or someone dies.
19:35
She wanted it to be like a fun ROM com, and there weren't
19:39
really any in the lesbian world at that time.
19:41
And she was like, yeah, this would be all of these things
19:45
together would be a great satire.
19:46
I. Love so that's why she did it.
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I love and unfortunately right now I feel like this story and
19:54
message like it's such a fun and light hearted tale and watching
19:58
it as of like this week after hearing that there the Supreme
20:04
Court is about to hear a case for.
20:07
Conversion therapy, like reverse reversing, that kind of that
20:14
what's the word? Legislation.
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Yeah, legislation. And it's starting in Colorado.
20:19
It was this like, Oh my God, like this is this silly, funny
20:23
thing that we all laugh at from the 2000s.
20:26
And it's like, oh, and I know people personally that have like
20:29
gone to conversion therapy and like, it's so fucked.
20:31
It's so atrocious. And so it's like even though
20:34
this is both the light hearted ROM com that queer cinema needs
20:40
now, again, not everything needs to be the Super heartbreaking
20:43
love Simon thing. But now this has also become
20:46
this like reflection of like conversion therapy then but even
20:52
now again, which is. That's what's so fucked up is
20:55
that like watching this movie and watching the absurd satire
21:00
of it all, It's like, in many ways, you know, we've come so
21:03
far and yet not at all. Yeah, yeah, 25.
21:07
Years later, 25 years later, we're still dealing with the
21:11
same shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's so fucked. So it's this weird, like it is
21:16
such a lighthearted thing, but it does just have this air of
21:18
like, it's the not the movie itself, it's the context of
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watching it today. Blame.
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Bummer. Fuck.
21:28
Conservatives. They're ruining everything.
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OK, another fun thing about the making of this movie.
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This is This is a quote from the director Jamie Babbitt.
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She said just kind of in regards to like making sure that there
21:50
was gender parity and diversity behind the camera and in front
21:54
of the camera. She said, I know, right?
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She said. I think a lot of that comes from
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growing up in Shaker Heights. OH, I grew up going to a high
22:01
school that was 5050 in terms of diversity.
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When I was casting the movie and hiring people behind the camera,
22:06
I was like, this movie needs to reflect the diversity that is in
22:11
the queer community in the world.
22:12
The script never said like Dolph the wrestler is Filipino or Jan
22:16
is African American. I also was very influenced by my
22:19
mom's real teen rehab and the truth of addiction growing up.
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I saw it really effects all communities, rich, poor, black,
22:25
white, Asian. It doesn't matter anyway.
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So I just think, and even now she says, like, you know, we
22:34
tried to tell this really ground breaking story and now there's
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even more things that I would add to it.
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Like I would have more like trans representation and all of
22:44
these different things that would be more representative of
22:48
the stories that needs to be told.
22:50
Because what queer stories matter.
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Isn't that right? Cooper Cooper's.
22:55
Either big ass corners. He's like, what?
22:58
I'm not gay. I'm not.
23:01
Cooper is, but I'm a cheerleading right now.
23:03
He's like, I'm not gay, I'm a doll.
23:05
I'm literally a doll and. It's like Cooper, little do you
23:07
know. Little do you know.
23:09
That's that's so awesome that again, the context of not only
23:13
is this about, you know, in a queer space, but also 2000.
23:19
I know the world was different in 2010, 2015, let alone 2000.
23:23
Like queerness was such a different story idea.
23:28
I mean, I don't, I can't remember when Adam Lambert went
23:31
through American Idol. That was like 2003 maybe.
23:33
OK, I just, I just remember and I saw a video recently of Adam
23:39
Lambert talking about it and he was like, I was so openly faggy
23:43
because nobody else was. That's so true.
23:46
And it just and I remember getting hearing about seeing all
23:49
the hate he would just continually get so true.
23:52
And so again, like the fact that that is something that's being
23:55
fought for behind the camera of like this diversity of this
23:58
representation fierce makes me love the movie even more.
24:01
Same. And I feel like it really comes
24:04
through and just like the, I don't know, to me, it's like you
24:09
can just feel it. You can feel that there's an
24:11
appreciation for all of these individual characters and their
24:15
quirky little stories, some of them very sad.
24:18
But overall, there's just like an appreciation for who they are
24:22
as individuals and not just like as their stereotype, even though
24:26
they do play on the stereotypes for humor, but not in a way
24:30
that's like mean. No, I think, and it's this funny
24:34
of they're playing into the stereotypes, but you learn from
24:37
the movie The stereotypes aren't true.
24:39
Yeah. You learn that the cheerleader
24:41
can be gay and the softball player can be straight.
24:43
Like it's exactly, it's both this like flipping it on its
24:46
head, but also doing in a way that it's kind of like giving
24:50
that lesson of like actually girl, it's not what you think.
24:53
Exactly. We love it, love, love it.
24:57
OK another thing I also love is the color palette.
25:01
How? Thank you.
25:03
Everything is so blue, so pink. It's like being in Barbies dream
25:08
house. The costuming, the set, the
25:11
lighting. Also, when I was rewatching, I
25:15
was, like, very much locked in on some of those aspects.
25:18
And it was just so it's again, so fun, so campy.
25:22
Yeah. So like, at the end when they're
25:24
all in, they're like, latex blue and pink, kind of like outfits.
25:28
There's this, like, sterilness. Like, it was very much
25:31
intentional. Yeah.
25:33
But also so camping over the top and like, not just Grays and
25:38
Browns of like, they were really playing into, like, this is
25:41
satire. This is gender alone to 1000.
25:46
It's the girls in the pink, pink, pinkity, pink room.
25:49
Yeah. And the boys in the blue room
25:51
with the blue cars. Like it was so just like,
25:55
gendered in such a way that was so extreme that it became funny.
25:59
Yeah, it was so over the top and pointing out the pointing out
26:03
the absurdity of all of it. Yeah.
26:06
Yeah, and just great. Great costume and great set.
26:09
Great. Everything.
26:10
And it was so DIY too. Their budget was so small.
26:13
It was so scrappy. They like made everything
26:16
themselves fierce. I know.
26:19
Resourceful, resourceful. Gives hope of like, OK, maybe
26:23
these like smaller projects can be a bit better than
26:26
Oppenheimer, literally. Maybe I can.
26:28
Maybe, maybe independent film can prevail.
26:32
Stay strong, don't majors stay strong.
26:36
Don't drop out. Please don't.
26:40
We don't need more engineers and.
26:42
There's enough. Don't we have enough now?
26:45
Beyond so annoying. OK.
26:47
I love Cleo Duvall as Graham. Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot.
26:52
Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. I wonder how many, Like the
26:55
whole bit of like, what was your gay awakening?
26:57
I wonder how many gay awakenings came from.
27:01
But I'm a cheerleader. I have to assume a lot.
27:05
I have to assume a whole lot. Because herself Assurance is so
27:09
hot, so hot. The fact that she's like, I am
27:11
who I am, yeah, it's so. Hot and like the bad girls got a
27:15
heart. And it's like the ah I.
27:18
Know it's a class. It's a classic teen story, but
27:21
again with a little twist. Yeah.
27:23
And like, say you're the, you're the, the Natasha Lyonne sitting
27:27
and watching this at the, like, sleepover party.
27:30
Everyone around you is laughing. And you're like, why don't suck
27:32
it? I'll also kind of be thinking
27:35
about this stuff or like, wait a second.
27:38
I thought she was really hot. And everyone's like, she was so
27:40
ugly. And you're like, you're like.
27:41
Oh. This is in the safe space, you
27:44
know, you're like, I gotta go. And so, yeah, I, I can only
27:47
imagine that there were a whole bunch of gay awakenings to it.
27:50
Also obviously on like the male side of it, all of the of the
27:55
rock. Rock.
27:57
Rock. I mean, I was, we were watching
27:59
it and I was like, this is classic 2000s aesthetic.
28:04
Yes, still holds up at being hot. 100%.
28:07
Just that himbo, a full on himbo is intergenerational everybody.
28:13
Loves. Everybody loves a himbo.
28:14
Oh yeah, it it transcends gender, sexuality, time.
28:19
Everybody loves a himbo. They're just, it's adds in the
28:22
same way that like, somebody's like confidence.
28:25
Yeah, it can add to it. Somebody's just dumbness.
28:30
Oh God, I like them dumb. Yeah, hot and dumb.
28:35
Hot and. Dumb.
28:36
I don't want anything going on in there.
28:38
No lights on, no one home. That's what I like to see.
28:41
Literally a horseshoe of like super, super smart, confident
28:44
all the way horseshoe back and they're both hot as hell.
28:47
Bottom part it's so. True.
28:49
I love it. Oh my God.
28:51
And you know what? Who hasn't aged at all?
28:52
RuPaul, obviously. RuPaul could be its own episode
28:58
about when I'm a cheerleader, because again, at this point I
29:01
knew who RuPaul was. I knew that she was this famous,
29:06
famous drag queen. Knew a little bit of her like
29:10
old days, 90s, like super stardom.
29:12
Didn't know too much, but just knew the hilarity of the biggest
29:17
drag queen at that time and still today of the entire world.
29:21
One could argue playing of this straight guy.
29:25
Yeah, playing this. A legend.
29:27
Yeah, and the. Straight is great.
29:30
Straight is. Great.
29:32
And it's funny too, being somebody that still watches Drag
29:35
Race and is very engaged with RuPaul of like the shit that he
29:39
still does of he there was like a season of Drag Race, however
29:43
many years ago where they were doing like a play on the
29:46
bachelor for a challenge. And like he fell in love with
29:49
the Bachelor. And every time that they be
29:51
alone, they just kind of like. Do that like.
29:54
And like it, literally as I was rewatching, I was like, bitch,
29:57
that was the same exact bit that he did back here.
30:00
So fun, so funny. Yeah.
30:03
Adds again to the just ridiculousness.
30:05
It's just so silly and over the top.
30:08
And it's one of those things where it's like the girls who
30:10
know know in the 2000s, like, you know, it's, I would say that
30:16
RuPaul was like the closest thing that there was to a
30:18
mainstream drag queen. But still, your average straight
30:23
person probably didn't know RuPaul.
30:26
Charles was. However, if you knew, you knew.
30:29
Yes. And that's why it's so iconic
30:31
that RuPaul is the camp counselor or camp counselor,
30:35
whatever. Right.
30:36
Yeah, it's it's. So it's the added layer.
30:39
It's absolutely the added layer. Also, at that point, like Root
30:43
did have some stardom. So to get Rue in this small film
30:48
is it had to have been like that script landed on his desk and he
30:51
was like, I'm fucking with this. Yes, you know, like, this is
30:55
funny because RuPaul has always like, even though of course,
30:59
like, you know, RuPaul is a corporate drag queen and that's
31:03
fine. Get your coin, got to get your
31:04
coin. Get your coin.
31:05
Got to frack that land or whatever.
31:08
I haven't been on Drag Race yet, so.
31:12
So we are not saying anything. But if I if I were to say
31:16
anything, I think I'd say get your coin now.
31:20
Get your coin and share it with me please.
31:24
Money. Please.
31:24
Money, please. Literally.
31:27
However, RuPaul still has always pushed the boundaries of in
31:33
funny ways. What am I trying to say?
31:36
Push the boundaries of comedy. Yes, push the boundaries of
31:38
comedy, push the used comedy to push political social
31:43
boundaries. I mean, again, but I'm a
31:45
cheerleader. Is this really, if you want to
31:48
dig into it, it can be this really deep movie and it's
31:52
something that because it's so silly, so fun, so can be just
31:57
like, oh ha ha, ha. It gets into the houses of
32:00
people that might not watch it exactly, you know, and then you
32:02
get the maybe, maybe gay people aren't too bad, you know, person
32:07
at the end, right. And it's like, I mean, that's a,
32:10
that's a pretty big change. Exactly.
32:12
Like, people can talk about how, like, you know, drag has become
32:18
like so mainstream and that it's like not for freaks anymore.
32:21
And that's a bad thing. But here's the thing.
32:23
Sometimes we need content that you can show to like a Midwest
32:29
mom who's never never really known that many gay people.
32:34
And they can watch like Queer Eye or something be like, you
32:36
know what? Those gays aren't too bad.
32:38
You know what? I mean, yes, and I think I mean
32:41
even just for young, my first queer representation I saw was
32:44
Drag Race really growing up. I mean like every now and then
32:47
gay character in a TV show. And my parents love them.
32:50
They're incredibly accepting. Now we love you guys.
32:52
Early back in 2000s, you know, being like, and then you'd be
32:55
like, yeah, yeah, totally. Us all being like, why are gay
33:00
people? I'm like writing down the
33:02
timestamps over the TV show to go.
33:04
Back and watch coming back to that, when Will and Grace, when
33:07
Will kisses his. Boyfriend literally.
33:10
And I'm just like. You're like a kiss on the mouth.
33:12
I'll be coming back to that. Falling to the ground like, Oh
33:14
my gosh. So you know, it's it's so it
33:18
does have that power. Like I, I'm such a believer of
33:21
comedy has so much power to like share messages and what not.
33:25
And so I wonder, I mean, that'd be a cool question to ask RuPaul
33:29
of like, did you know that it was going to have this impact,
33:32
or did you just do this project because it was going to be
33:35
silly, goofy, funny. Right.
33:37
Because both both are fair and valid.
33:39
Absolutely, and both are, I think, a direct result of the
33:45
actors being so authentic to themselves and to the story.
33:49
You know I love I love Ru. If you're out there, friend of
33:53
the. Pod Ru Paul, Friend of the Pod
33:55
Ru Paul Charles Yes, my friend the other day tried to tell me
33:58
that Ru Paul was in his 80s. I said bitch, shut up.
34:02
First of all, it's not true, but.
34:04
Kidding. One foot in the grave.
34:08
Just kidding. Not true.
34:11
What was the Oh my God someone said about?
34:15
Oh yeah, it was one of the Real Housewives said about the
34:20
other's husband who's old. She said he's got 1 foot in the
34:23
grave and another on a banana peel.
34:26
Stop. That's how I feel turning the
34:28
old age that I am. Yeah, 1 foot in the grave,
34:31
another on a banana peel. That shit was so funny to me
34:34
anyways, that that is not applied to RuPaul, but I mean,
34:38
truly an ageless person. Yeah, yeah.
34:41
And who pops up and stuff? The first time I watched it, I
34:44
didn't know RuPaul was in it. And so there have been times in
34:47
my life where RuPaul pops up in a place where I'm like, girl,
34:49
what are you doing here? I'm like, how did you get in
34:52
here? Like, I'm like looking like, did
34:54
the was the door unlocked? How'd you make your way in?
34:56
And I love that she just pops up into places.
34:59
I know. It's so fun.
35:00
Yeah, right, Coop. OK, some of my favorite.
35:06
I just want to like go through some of my my favorite parts.
35:08
Yeah. Kissing Jared.
35:12
I that was literally one of my first notes that I wrote is the
35:17
the humor in that scene, but also look rewatching it.
35:20
I'm also I never rewatch movies really.
35:22
That is like I thought. Thank you for doing that for.
35:25
Me for sure. There are very few movies I have
35:27
and actively rewatch in my life. My top three?
35:29
Legally Blonde? Yeah.
35:30
Mean Girls? Yeah.
35:31
Miss Congeniality. Oh my God, the Holy Trinity.
35:34
Yes, and those are the only ones in my life that I have
35:37
rewatched. And even then, I'm like, I've
35:39
rewatched a couple times. I'm just a person where I'm
35:41
like, there's so many movies out there, right?
35:44
I don't have the time to rewatch.
35:45
Yeah, but I do love spoilers and like, I'll read a synopsis and
35:48
say that I've, like watched the movie, but when I was first
35:52
watching it, I didn't clock it. But then when I was watching it
35:55
again, I was like, First off, hilarious.
35:57
He is eating her face. It is so funny.
36:01
That's the, that's the directing that we need is just absurd.
36:08
And her just fully eyes open like staring off and then having
36:12
these cutaways to the cheerleading.
36:14
It was funny to watch, but I was also so thinking about my queer
36:19
story in high school me like I'm like, OK, it's been a it's been
36:23
a couple weeks. I got to make out with a girl,
36:25
so the rumors don't start again, you know, and then it's like so
36:28
sorry to all the girls I kissed in high school like that was
36:31
evil of me. Y'all are the real ones.
36:34
It was like AI think a fair, fair trade sometimes that like
36:36
no one knew what they were doing, of course, so we were all
36:39
learning together. But I've had that, I've had that
36:43
of the like eyes open just like, oh God, when is this going to
36:46
end? I mean, I mean, who among us has
36:48
not been like, in any kind of hookup situation, Just being
36:52
like, I'd rather be like watching a movie.
36:54
Yes. Rather be watching Legally
36:56
Blonde. I'd rather be watching Legally
36:57
Blonde with the reruns of like my cheerleading tryouts going in
37:01
my background as I'm like. But again, love that that
37:05
doesn't like ring a bell in her head at all.
37:08
Totally. Like that's not even she's.
37:09
Just like this is what being, this is what being a girlfriend
37:12
is. You just kind of like let your
37:13
boyfriend just like eat your face.
37:15
Eat your face like a dementor, like sucking your soul out of
37:20
you. And that he also like, doesn't,
37:22
you know, Of course he doesn't realize that she's not into it
37:25
either because, you know. That he knows and then I loved
37:29
how, and again this was rewatching.
37:31
I was like, this is clocking my tea hard.
37:33
Rewatching and seeing the her being like, oh, well, we don't
37:38
have sex because I'm a Christian and one of the girls being like,
37:41
that's what you say when you don't want to, when you don't
37:44
like that, when you when you don't want to have sex with a
37:46
guy. And I because I was also that
37:49
kid in high school being like, I'm saving myself for a marriage
37:52
because I was like, I don't want to hook up with a girl.
37:55
Like it was. I knew enough of my queerness
37:57
that I did not have that fantasy.
38:01
Yeah. But then was also like, I was
38:02
just watching and I was like, Oh my God, this is so much of A
38:06
queer experience in such a, again, funny way of yes, it's
38:11
him eating her face, but I'm also like, way.
38:14
But that's real. It's so real because sometimes,
38:17
you know, sometimes people can discover their queerness
38:21
through, you know, discovering what they do like.
38:24
But sometimes it's a process of elimination, honey.
38:27
Sometimes it's you make out with a guy and you say I don't if
38:31
that's really for me. Yeah, you're like or you're
38:34
just. Like I feel neutral about that.
38:37
Yeah, it's like when you're at a burger place and they're like,
38:40
this is our special sauce and you haven't like.
38:42
Like it's, it's fine. That's how you know that that's
38:45
that's not the sauce you like and maybe you need to try a
38:48
different one. Right.
38:49
And you're like, this is just barbecue and ketchup mixed
38:51
together. I'm.
38:53
There's a secret ingredient. Yeah, I'm going to go back to my
38:55
garlic aioli, you know? Yeah.
38:58
Me going back to my gay porn after like trying to kiss a girl
39:01
and being late. Just not not the same vibe.
39:05
Just going back to that time stamp of whatever sitcom you
39:08
were watching with your parents, with the.
39:10
Will and Grace baby. Yeah, the most.
39:12
Also the most tape of them. All Oh my God I know right That
39:15
was also sorry. Looking at dog hitting
39:19
microphones. So sorry.
39:22
Good boy Coop, just stay down there.
39:24
God, I love him, but he's. He's.
39:28
Like, I'm sorry, it's getting a little bit too gay.
39:30
I'm getting a little too self aware right now.
39:32
He's not he's not fully out yet. I did, I did out him on the
39:36
podcast. So you see, so just like don't
39:38
say anything, but do let him know that you're an ally, just
39:42
like your fraternity brothers. Literally.
39:44
We love you guys. Big shout out to all of those
39:48
guys. Where did you go to college?
39:49
In North Carolina, NC State University go pack baby.
39:55
I love it. I mean, it was a great school.
39:57
I had a great time ups and downs.
39:58
Raleigh is a more liberal city in North Carolina, but you are
40:01
South of the Mason Dixon line and so it is my experience in
40:04
North Carolina is on top of I actually grew up another layer.
40:11
The onion is I grew up in the Middle East for middle school
40:16
and high school. OK.
40:17
And so I grew up in Dubai of the United Arab Emirates.
40:20
Shout out. Oh.
40:21
My God, shout out to all of our listeners in Dubai.
40:24
Come to Dubai habibi, literally that's why my mom text me all
40:28
the time because my parents are still there.
40:30
But in Dubai queerness is literally illegal like it is not
40:34
allowed. So we could not talk about in
40:35
high school. So I had 0 queer education,
40:39
representation, anything. There's lots of censorship over
40:42
there. Wow, Tumblr porn was the the go
40:45
to for a while. Yes, good.
40:47
RIP. That was the goldmine.
40:50
But yeah, so I just didn't didn't have any of that like any
40:54
representation. So literally like watching Drag
40:57
Race in my room from YouTube clips was like representation.
41:00
And then when I moved to the US, learn more, North Carolina had
41:04
people. It was still a lot of self
41:07
learning. And I was like watching draggers
41:09
and I'm like, I don't know who Cher is.
41:11
I need to learn who Cher is and being like doing my gay lessons.
41:16
And that's when. But I'm a cheerleader became one
41:18
of those gay lessons. And I was just like, wow, yeah.
41:22
Because I mean, obviously this movie aged incredibly well.
41:26
So we're here. We're here in state.
41:28
Did that age? Yeah, obviously it did.
41:31
And honestly? Aged better, like it got better.
41:34
Even more relevant today than it was the day that it came out.
41:39
Came out lol. No pun intended.
41:42
But seriously, it's one of those movies that like, it's essential
41:47
to queer education. It's required reading, Yes, for
41:53
the young members of the community.
41:54
There's a reason why it's number one on half of the like, top ten
41:57
LGBTQ movies you need to watch. Totally.
41:59
There's a reason it beats Broke by Mountain every time.
42:01
It's so true because guess what? It's happy and fun.
42:03
It's happy, it's fun, and it's so like, again, watching it now
42:08
with like a more intentional lens, I was like, this is so
42:13
real. Yeah, this is so real, obviously
42:15
on so many levels. But even just the the so many
42:18
people's coming out stories of like, I didn't even really
42:22
realize. I just kind of was attracted to
42:26
this XYZ and didn't think about it.
42:29
Right. Oh TBT.
42:34
Girl, which of the characters did you feel like you resonated
42:37
with the most? I would say Megan, yeah, it
42:46
really was because my my coming out story was a lot.
42:49
There's a lot of denial. Have you ever have you ever
42:52
watched X type of college girls? I haven't watched it.
42:54
You've got to get into it. It's phenomenal.
42:56
Mindy Kaling's amazing love of love, her Renee Rapp
42:59
specifically in it. She can do no wrong.
43:01
She's awesome. So amazing.
43:03
She plays a lesbian in it and is going through a very similar
43:09
thing that I felt in college, which was like, I was closeted.
43:11
So she was just using hookup apps.
43:13
Like so much denial, so much internalized homophobia.
43:17
But then I feel like for me, but I'm a cheerleader was my high
43:20
school version of it of like, I can't be gay.
43:23
I was captain of the football. Team or I'm in a frat.
43:27
Yeah, I can't be gay. And so I don't know.
43:30
I just, I, I don't think we get a lot of that representation.
43:34
And I think sometimes there's queer stories that get told that
43:37
are like the, I've been out since middle school and I love
43:40
those folks. And that's not my, my, you know,
43:44
story. And so for me, it's like, oh,
43:47
this is real. Because I remember getting my
43:50
face eaten off, being like, what's for dinner tonight?
43:55
You know, like what I've been. Anything else?
43:58
Literally. Literally.
44:00
So I think, yeah, I think young Natasha Lyonne shout out my twin
44:05
would be who I would relate most to.
44:07
What about you? I don't know.
44:08
I guess like it's a good question.
44:14
I think probably her too, just because like I am sort of a, I'm
44:20
like a fem girly and you know, of course I am a vegetarian and
44:25
I do like Melissa Etheridge. So you know what?
44:28
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Ding tic.
44:30
Tac. Toe bitch.
44:32
I also was a dancer growing up, so like the dance and the
44:35
cheerleading, you know, So you know, but I think that also just
44:40
like her general naivete, I really like, I really resonate
44:46
with that. I think that just in general,
44:48
like in like growing up and like becoming a sexual person no
44:53
matter your orientation, like I just really felt her in her
44:58
moments where she was just like, yeah, I don't know, I'm not
45:00
really interested in that stuff cuz she just like hadn't
45:03
discovered what it was that she liked.
45:05
Yeah, and and I know again from my experience was, was very
45:10
similar to that of like, no, I think sex is not what I I don't
45:14
want, I don't like yet I don't want to talk about I'm not into
45:16
it because I didn't know what I did like, you know, in a, in a
45:20
similar way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:23
I think then the the other. I'm trying to think other than
45:28
like that on that more serious level.
45:30
I'm like, who do I relate to in like a sillier level?
45:32
Yeah, I'm trying. To think maybe, maybe the this
45:42
is this is crazy. Hear me out.
45:44
The conversion therapy lady. I'm blaking on her name, right?
45:47
Now she's so kunty, Mary. Yes, Mary, we're going to have
45:50
to wake Mary like I, And my harder part is, I'd love to say
45:54
like RuPaul or Rock or like the of course the gay.
45:57
We all want to be rock, obviously.
45:59
I know. Who among us does not want to be
46:00
in the object of desire? Right.
46:02
My hot take with himbos is you can't call yourself a himbo and
46:06
be a himbo because that level that requires a level of
46:08
self-awareness. Oh yeah, and himbos could never.
46:10
No, if when guys like I'm a himbo I'm like boom immediately
46:13
you're not a himbo because that means you're too self aware.
46:16
Exactly. So I think honestly, I just love
46:21
that I like my drag aesthetic is very much like 40 year old MILF
46:26
sometimes. And so I love just that like the
46:32
the just like come on, like once you once you accept the first
46:36
step, then it's the next way. Like it's just that camp, that
46:40
camp. So I feel like she's my who I
46:42
relate to in like a a different spiritual way, parallel
46:45
universe, like alternate universe, that's who I.
46:48
Am I feel like she's she's like your, your drag aesthetic or
46:55
like your your maybe like your drag twin and then like, like
46:59
you, your heart, Zach. Very much Zach versus Zacharina.
47:04
Zacharina homophobic? Zach Oh my God.
47:07
Yeah, So true. And you know what I love about
47:10
Mary, too, is that she's country.
47:12
So country. No.
47:13
And like that's like you kind of have to love her for it.
47:17
Even though we hate her, we also love her.
47:19
It's the enemy you love to hate. It's the like villain you love
47:22
to hate. She's.
47:23
A perfect villain. I remember Phineas and Ferb
47:25
said, and I used to quote this religiously, it was a hero as a
47:28
hero, but everybody loves a good villain.
47:31
So true. That is one of the things in my
47:34
life that, like, rings in my head at all times as a hero.
47:37
As a hero. Everybody loves a good villain.
47:38
Yeah. She's one of those things where
47:40
it's like, this is a villain I love to hate.
47:42
Yeah. Her like getting the, the the
47:44
students to go and protest the gay couple and and then it being
47:50
like this war analogy, like, it was just so fun.
47:54
Over the top. She was crazy.
47:55
And I loved it. Totally.
47:57
And you know what? No matter your sexuality, your
48:01
orientation, your gender identity, this movie
48:05
demonstrates like, what hetero hell heteronormativity is like,
48:11
all of the ridiculous stuff when they're, like, taking care of
48:13
the baby dolls and when they're, like, having sex and they're
48:16
like, weird nude outfits as Adam and Eve, It's like
48:21
heteronormativity. Even if you are like, you know,
48:24
living a straight lifestyle. Yeah.
48:26
Which, you know, we support. Anyways, We're allies here.
48:29
In some ways, I don't know. Just don't shove it on my
48:33
throat. OK, OK, like it's fine.
48:34
Do what you need to do, but you know.
48:36
I don't agree with it, not under my group.
48:38
I mean, it's just like you're going to hell.
48:41
But. But if you're OK with that, if
48:42
you're. OK with it.
48:43
You know I'm not gonna stop. You.
48:44
I can't save every soul. It's not my job.
48:47
It's not my, it's not my job. I have, I have other souls to
48:50
say. There are easier souls to save.
48:54
Than straight people than. Straight people.
48:57
God, God, what the fuck was I even saying?
49:01
Oh yeah, hetero. Hell, yes, yes.
49:05
No matter what. It shows how, like, the culture
49:08
of heteronormativity is not just like, hell.
49:12
But it's so silly. Yeah, it's all so silly.
49:16
The idea that and now it's core, you know, boy equals blue, girl
49:22
equals pink and then expanding into boy have to fix car, girl
49:26
have to clean house. Like all of that stuff where
49:29
none of them wanted to do that. No, versus then in the gay club
49:34
when the one kid is like that starts off of like actor,
49:38
dancer, homosexual and like again, love gay people.
49:43
You see him in the club breaking it down and you're like, that
49:46
bitch does not need to be on a car.
49:47
That bitch needs to be on the Off Broadway touring cast of
49:51
Little Shop of Horrors. Like, my God, yes.
49:53
That's where he's supposed to be.
49:55
Dancer, homosexual. I love that so, so dumb, but it
50:00
is. It is the like curse of Oh my
50:02
God, this is this dull housey hell that that their lives could
50:08
be in if they are forced to go down that route.
50:11
Yeah, yeah, I hate that, hate that, but love the movie.
50:17
But love? It.
50:18
Love the movie? OK, So what else do we need to
50:21
discuss about this movie and how it holds up or just anything,
50:24
anything memorable for you, any anything that you want to make
50:30
sure that we discuss? We talked about RuPaul, Yes,
50:35
very important. Important, RuPaul, if you're
50:40
listening, I know a great queen. She's sitting right next to me.
50:44
RuPaul, famous friend of this pod, famously.
50:46
A close friend of the pod, thank you for your ongoing support.
50:50
It's on a burner account. That's why you can't.
50:52
You can't find it. Yeah, totally, totally.
50:54
But I know I think one thing that I did, I had written down
50:56
that I thought was really funny and interesting was the root.
51:01
Oh my God. And I think that that was
51:02
something that I remember. And again, my, my family has,
51:06
has done so much growth. We've all done so much growth
51:08
together. My family is incredibly loving
51:10
and accepting. I had my both my sisters on my
51:12
podcast the other week. So amazing.
51:16
I remember when I had first started coming out, people in my
51:22
family being like, what's, what's the reason?
51:24
Right? Like I'm trying to understand
51:26
the the what? Happened.
51:28
Right. And I think that's such a
51:30
classic knee jerk reaction that happens with people.
51:33
And I'm like, I can, I can pinpoint it.
51:35
I watched a lot of America's Next Top Model as a kid.
51:37
I'm like, that didn't help Let's go.
51:39
That didn't help me become a big old fag like that.
51:43
Definitely. I'm I'm 8 years old smizing in
51:46
the corner like. If you know what smizing is as
51:49
an 8 year old boy, I've got news for you.
51:51
Yeah. Literally like there's so
51:54
there's so many roots for me. I think that would be my my key
51:57
one. But the fact that they were so
51:59
hell bent on finding the roots and then the I loved Mary trying
52:05
to figure out Megan's root. And it's like, well, you know,
52:09
my mom or like my dad stopped working.
52:11
So my mom was the main breadwinner.
52:13
And Mary being like, your dad was emasculated.
52:16
And so you saw your mother take over the role and be the man
52:19
because your father and like the dad sitting right there being
52:21
like, it was only nine months. Like you see him even going
52:25
through this like thought process of like he's like, I
52:28
don't, I don't know if it's so. That, but they're so desperate
52:31
to find answers. They're like whatever.
52:32
Right. They're like, I, I guess, and I
52:35
think that happens with, again, so many queer families of it's
52:37
like the hunting for a reason. And then you start to sit back
52:40
and you're like, if Tyra Banks made him gay, then he was going
52:47
to be gay all along. Like if, if that was the root,
52:50
you know. So I think about one of them was
52:53
I saw my mom wear pants at her wedding.
52:56
Oh my God. That was so funny.
52:57
Another person's This one killed me.
53:01
I was born in France. The root of why you're gay is
53:05
that you were born in France. That was amazing hilarity.
53:09
Yeah, so funny because of course, I mean, you never ask a
53:14
straight people for their root. Yeah, that's the absurdity of
53:18
it. Exactly.
53:18
And the absurdity? When did you know that you were
53:20
straight? And the expectation that you're
53:22
going to get 5 stories of like changing in the locker room or
53:26
like this trauma or this thing, but it being these insane like
53:30
pants at a wedding. And it's just like I was.
53:33
Born. I was born in France.
53:35
I was born in France. The most cursed place on Earth
53:38
is so, so fun. So I feel like that's also a
53:41
part that like on the surface, I feel like people could
53:45
incorrectly view this movie and be like, it actually didn't age
53:48
well and it's bad 2000s representation because they're
53:52
hunting for a root with it. And I'm like, if you think that
53:55
that's the stop reason why they had that in there, right, You're
54:00
not like you're not understanding the movie.
54:02
My film bro and me is coming out.
54:03
You're. Like but you just don't get it.
54:05
I I went to film school for three years in Brooklyn.
54:07
Dude, you just don't get my letterbox is so good.
54:10
Quinn George is amazing. Literally, literally Barbie
54:16
should have won the Oscar. No, but I think it's it's like
54:21
if that's what you're viewing, if you're seeing like the
54:23
stereotypes, if you're seeing the like these insane bits
54:27
making, it's not making fun of queerness.
54:29
It's making fun of the perspective on queerness.
54:32
Exactly. And I think that's where it's
54:34
like it holds up and it does age well.
54:36
And it's not a, it's not a Sex in the City.
54:39
It's not the, the, the main diva is saying the T slur repeatedly.
54:44
That's a whole nother conversation.
54:45
Oh my God. But, and one could argue I I
54:48
have such a soft spot for Sex in the City, so I excuse a lot of
54:51
their wrongs. I know I do.
54:53
I do. Too.
54:54
But it's hard. It's hard but it's not that.
54:56
It's not like a. I'm like having to swallow my
54:58
morals and values to say that it aged well because it is just
55:02
pure, purely aged well because it is a commentary on like,
55:09
society's perspectives on queerness.
55:11
Yes, and that's why it's not bad.
55:15
It's not like problematic. And the and society's
55:19
perspective on what is normal and normativity, how even what
55:24
is normal is so absurd when you take a step back, it's all just
55:29
so random and doesn't need anything.
55:32
So what? So what are what's the big fuss
55:35
about, you know? Exactly.
55:37
Yeah, exactly. Doctor Zacharina, tell the
55:40
people where you can be found. I can be found right at the
55:45
intersection of Colfax in York, usually from 9:00 PM to about
55:49
1:00 AM. Amazing, no?
55:52
I'm in better streets than Colfax.
55:53
No kidding. Loving Colfax.
55:55
There's nothing better than Colfax.
55:56
Nothing. Not in Denver.
55:58
Not in Denver. I can be found online at Doctor
56:00
Zacharina. It's Dr. dot Zack.
56:04
It should auto fill in the rest. You can follow pillow talk as
56:08
well. The podcast that's produced here
56:09
out of do day UK studios. It's pillow talk Doctor Z and
56:13
then our other one, our Dungeons and Dragons podcast is gonna be
56:17
roundtable drag at roundtable drag is where you can find it.
56:22
So all on all the social medias. I do have a regular comedy show
56:25
that I host here in Denver every First Saturday.
56:29
Comedy Queens over at Rise Comedy and then at Hamburger
56:33
Mary's. I just recently got a fourth
56:35
Friday show. Oh.
56:36
My God, congratulations. Thank you.
56:38
And actually very appropriate for this podcast.
56:41
It's called as seen on TV and so we do songs and mixes and
56:46
numbers that are TV and film. Oh.
56:49
My God, so fun. So I did a Legally Blonde mix
56:51
last time and a Reba mix maybe? Oh my God.
56:57
Reba, Reba. Well, you're a Reba baby.
56:59
I love her. Yes, I love her.
57:02
So that's where you can find me. I'm all around town, all around
57:05
the web. Hopefully.
57:06
Maybe in your walls. No.
57:07
Yeah, maybe. In your walls I.
57:09
Don't know, only if you invite me in first like a vampire News
57:12
for all two. You gotta invite me in.
57:13
Yeah, exactly. Like I'll be there waiting
57:15
outside. Yeah, but that.
57:17
But like you have to invite me. In but I'm texting you like but
57:19
like, do you actually want me to come through?
57:21
Are you mad at me? Hey, like if you're mad at if
57:23
you're a copy, you have to say. Doctor Zachary and I just love
57:32
you. I'm so glad that you came on the
57:35
show. Thank you for, you know, putting
57:38
up with my dog for sharing your hot takes on But I'm a
57:42
cheerleader. Even though what hot takes are
57:45
there? But to say this movie aged
57:48
perfectly and it was timeless. AB absolutely thank you for
57:51
having me. This has been so much fun.
57:53
I love this. Yay.
57:56
We'll have to have you back sometime.
57:58
Real soon. Yes, OK, bye.
58:00
Bye.