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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - D4vd Charges W/ Death Of Unborn Baby? New Letters To Minors · TAKEN TV Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke, to face charges regarding
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  Speaker 1: the death of an unborn baby and an alleged coerced abortion.
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  Speaker 1: An abortion conducted on a 13-year-old little girl. This has
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  Speaker 1: allegations swirl that D4VD is writing letters to minors from
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. And get this. raking in nearly $ 3 million
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  Speaker 1: since Celeste's death? Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: 14-year-old Celeste found decomposing in the trunk of the 4VD
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke's Tesla.
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  Speaker 2: Who in this office is and was leaking information about
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  Speaker 2: this 14-year-old child and her remains?
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  Speaker 3: It's a violation of a court order.
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  Speaker 1: The medical examiner's office was leaking information.
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  Speaker 4: I go, what the f * * *? Okay, because obviously,
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  Speaker 4: that's a big thing to say. And David used to
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  Speaker 4: be my homie. So I'm like, oh nah, my close
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  Speaker 4: homie's f * * * ing with a minor? Hell no,
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  Speaker 4: I don't f * * * with that s * * *.
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  Speaker 4: So immediately I go to David and I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: this girl saying that you're with a 13 year old.
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  Speaker 4: You need to explain yourself. He was like, dude, that's
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  Speaker 4: not even true. Like, she's like 19. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 4: she's not. She said she's 13. Like, show me proof.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what? He showed me proof. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, OK, I'm a back off. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I'm harassing my friend. I can't get into every single
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  Speaker 4: detail for legal reasons, but I didn't just go, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 4: is your friend 13? And he went, no. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't being stupid. I was like, no, show me proof, okay? Like,
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  Speaker 4: I need to see actual evidence because I think you're
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  Speaker 4: with a minor. And obviously, when my friend... tells me,
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  Speaker 4: he's like, no, I'm not, shows me proof that he
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  Speaker 4: is not, and I harass him more, and he's like, dude, like,
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  Speaker 4: chill the f * * * out. Like, manipulate the
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  Speaker 4: f * * * out of me, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: That was then. This is now. Claims that D4VD, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke, contacting minors from behind bars. That is
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  Speaker 1: Asia Collins on Twitch. Joining us, an all-star panel member,
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  Speaker 1: But tonight, are charges on the horizon, more charges for
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke, a.k.a. D4VD, regarding coerced abortion? Okay, abortion
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  Speaker 1: is legal. Coerced abortion? Not legal. Straight out to Marissa
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  Speaker 1: Reyes joining us. She is the star of the True
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  Speaker 1: Light Crime podcast. Marissa, thank you for being with us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: A lot came out in court. about an abortion, an
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  Speaker 1: abortion of a young girl, 13 years old. And it
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  Speaker 1: seemed as if in those texts, which are damning, that D4VD,
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke, is the one orchestrating the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: What do you know?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Nancy. We heard in court this whole issue of
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  Speaker 5: abortion that came up. It came up multiple times. But
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  Speaker 5: we're talking specifically about the actual act where Celeste did,
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  Speaker 5: that we know of, get an abortion. This happened in
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  Speaker 5: January of 2024. And when they were texting about this,
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  Speaker 5: David was texting to Celeste, when are you going to
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  Speaker 5: get it done? She said, two days. He continued talking
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  Speaker 5: about it. This is where he went and talked about also,
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  Speaker 5: my mother always told me to ask this question if
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  Speaker 5: in this situation, it is mine, right? And he went
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  Speaker 5: on to say that he didn't want to feel like
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  Speaker 5: a complete F-up for his mother. Now, he continued texting
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  Speaker 5: specifics about this abortion appointment, asking what time it was,
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  Speaker 5: saying that it should take 45 minutes. And then he
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  Speaker 5: kept checking when it was done. That evening, he made
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  Speaker 5: a shocking text to all of us in the courtroom
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  Speaker 5: where he said, I feel like a N-word slur waiting
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  Speaker 5: for test results. Like, I'm waiting to hear about the process.
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  Speaker 5: I keep asking about it. And he said, LMAO. Like,
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  Speaker 5: this was something funny to him. So he was constantly
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  Speaker 5: messaging her to make sure that this was done.
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  Speaker 1: And then to Eric Faddis, criminal defense attorney, founder of
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  Speaker 1: the law offices of Eric Faddis. Eric, then she expresses regret.
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  Speaker 1: I would do anything to to have my baby back.
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  Speaker 1: This clearly was not her idea, Faddis. That's coercion. Did
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  Speaker 1: you do it? Did you do it? When are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do it? It'll just take 45 minutes. Go
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  Speaker 1: do it. Go do it. Setting up the appointment.
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  Speaker 5: The works.
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  Speaker 1: That's coercion, Eric.
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  Speaker 6: The evidence seems to suggest that there was certainly some
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  Speaker 6: pressure from David, who was the older man. You've got
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  Speaker 6: to look at that power dynamic, too. Celeste is a minor.
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  Speaker 6: She is a young girl at this time. And so
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  Speaker 6: could that alleged coercion lead to some criminal charge. I
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  Speaker 6: think it's at least reasonably plausible a prosecutor might get
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  Speaker 6: creative and take a look at that. We also got
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  Speaker 6: to keep in mind that these are big decisions in
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  Speaker 6: the lives of two people who have created a child.
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  Speaker 6: And oftentimes it's common to have mixed feelings about that.
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  Speaker 6: And so does that rise to the level of pressuring
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  Speaker 6: someone to do something against their will? You know, that's
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  Speaker 6: kind of a high bar.
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  Speaker 1: Repeat. Two people who created a child, why don't you
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  Speaker 1: just play having my baby in the background? When a
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  Speaker 1: minor is involved, it's not two people creating a baby
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  Speaker 1: like some mystical union sprinkled with stardust with angels playing
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  Speaker 1: harps in the background. It's statutory rape. Okay? Not just
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  Speaker 1: statutory rape, but then allegations of coercing and abortion. Hold everything.
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  Speaker 1: Apply pressure. That's what you just said. Translation, coercion. Coercion.
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  Speaker 1: Back to you, Marissa Reyes, joining us out of L.A.,
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  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, star of the light true crime. Marissa, you
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  Speaker 1: stated that he was worried about what his mother would think.
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  Speaker 1: And here you've got a 13-year-old girl you're texting to
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  Speaker 1: get an abortion, and he's worried about mommy. Did I, what?
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is, you know, it's come up a couple
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  Speaker 5: times where he seems truly concerned about what his mother
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  Speaker 5: thinks about him and pleasing her. And he did say
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  Speaker 5: because his mother always told him in this situation to
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  Speaker 5: ask if it's his and he doesn't want to feel
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  Speaker 5: like a mess up for her. And the interesting thing
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  Speaker 5: about this, too, was, is this what he learned? So
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  Speaker 5: in this situation, make sure it's your kid. But did
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  Speaker 5: you ever learn about consent, about maybe not getting with
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  Speaker 5: a minor? It brings up a lot of questions in that.
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  Speaker 5: Is that your lesson? We do know he was homeschooled,
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  Speaker 5: but he seemed to miss out on a lot of
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  Speaker 5: knowledge about that.
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  Speaker 1: Type of education. Stop, stop, slow down, Nellie. Did you
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  Speaker 1: just say he was homeschooled and that that somehow explains
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  Speaker 1: why he doesn't know about statutory rape?
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, I wouldn't explain that, but I'm saying he
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  Speaker 5: is so in his messages, refers to things that his
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  Speaker 5: mother taught him, right? His mother told him to ask this.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be a mess up for my mother. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's just, why is that what he falls on?
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  Speaker 5: It's just excuses.
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  Speaker 1: Marissa, I'm not arguing pro or con abortion. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I can tell you this, coercing
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  Speaker 1: an abortion on anyone, much less a minor person, is illegal.
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  Speaker 1: Coerced or forced abortion is a form of reproductive coercion
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  Speaker 1: where a person uses threats, intimidation, fraud, duress to compel
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  Speaker 1: a pregnant individual to terminate a pregnancy against their explicit will.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this goes far beyond coercion. It, it, In
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  Speaker 1: the law, it addresses administering medication. We've heard of people
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  Speaker 1: sneaking the girlfriend or the wife an abortion pill. Violating
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  Speaker 1: a young girl's bodily autonomy is illegal in all 50 states. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is not about whether abortion itself is legal or illegal.
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  Speaker 1: This is about violating Celeste's bodily autonomy. for her to
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  Speaker 1: have control over her own body. That's what we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about with the potential charges of a coerced abortion. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, in many states, when a child in uterus dies,
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  Speaker 1: think about Scott Peterson when baby Connor died because he
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  Speaker 1: murdered Lacey. Those are actual charges, right? Fetal homicides. An
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  Speaker 1: abortion is different because abortion is legal. Coerced abortion, not legal.
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  Speaker 1: This has allegations swirled that D4VD, David Anthony Burke, is
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  Speaker 1: writing letters to minors from behind bars asking for special privileges,
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  Speaker 1: face-to-face meetings with his lawyers. There's some of those letters
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  Speaker 1: where he quotes the bible hey it's never too late
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  Speaker 1: to be saved you can be saved and be born
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  Speaker 1: again while you're behind bars you don't need to walk
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  Speaker 1: free for that and Celeste's parents now demanding the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty and filing a civil suit against David Anthony Burke.
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  Speaker 8: When you hear how much money this young man made,
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  Speaker 8: it's unbelievable. And so based upon the amount of money
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  Speaker 8: he made, I personally found it deplorable when he transferred
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  Speaker 8: two homes out of his name. And the witness, the
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  Speaker 8: last witness on the stand, he was the one that
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  Speaker 8: advised the family to transfer the assets out of David's
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  Speaker 8: name to protect it from a civil lawsuit.
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  Speaker 9: Colleen Burke, David's mom, has been looking for an entertainment attorney,
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  Speaker 9: probably because she and David are working together on how
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  Speaker 9: he can continue to release music from prison. No joke.
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  Speaker 9: His mom is definitely looking at the dollar signs. That's
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  Speaker 9: why she's had David's homes removed from his name and
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  Speaker 9: put into her name so that whenever he's officially in
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  Speaker 9: a felon in prison, that he doesn't have any of
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  Speaker 9: this stuff taken away from him or that Celeste's family
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  Speaker 9: doesn't try to sue him for money and take some
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  Speaker 9: of his fortune.
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  Speaker 1: From our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ and TikTok at Sloan.
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  Speaker 1: Marissa Reyes joining us, the star of The Light True Crime.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the lawsuit. I'm telling you that most
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  Speaker 1: of D4VD David Anthony Burke's assets have been siphoned out
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  Speaker 1: of his accounts. You're going to need a forensic accountant
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to sue him to try to find
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  Speaker 1: the money. He has now claimed that he's broke and
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  Speaker 1: is getting a public defender So that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a hard task, finding his money. But what are the
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  Speaker 1: claims filed by Celeste Rivas' family against D4VD?
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  Speaker 5: Correct, Nancy. A civil lawsuit was filed by Patrick Seinfeld
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  Speaker 5: a couple weeks ago. And the thing is, it expands
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  Speaker 5: looking at just David Burke in this, right? We have
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  Speaker 5: David Burke on going to a criminal trial. But civilly,
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  Speaker 5: we're looking at who else was possibly responsible for and
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  Speaker 5: had knowledge of what was going on for Celeste that
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  Speaker 5: is to blame in this. You've got David. You have
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  Speaker 5: his multiple companies that are listed. His own mother. They
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  Speaker 5: have his team in their management listed. They also have,
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  Speaker 5: which is very interesting to see, his live-in body.
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  Speaker 1: Look at your screen. Look at your screen. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if the jury's ever going to see this. I like boobs.
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  Speaker 1: Getting oil rubbed on his body by a female assistant. H-E-L-L-N-O.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be all GQ, perfectly groomed, in a suit. No,
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  Speaker 1: probably looking like a Harvard 1L. The way the Menendez
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  Speaker 1: brothers were dressed up, you know, khakis, button down, that
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. They ain't going to see I Love Boobs t-shirts. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not happening. I just had to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you saw that, Marissa. Okay, pick it up, Marissa Reyes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, he's going to look completely different in court. The
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  Speaker 5: way that was even requested in a motion before is
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  Speaker 5: not clothing that he typically wears. We're going to see
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  Speaker 5: a different David presented to a jury. But picking back
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  Speaker 5: up his bodyguard, the live-in bodyguard that was with him,
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  Speaker 5: that was part of Operation Awesome, which was essentially kidnapping
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  Speaker 5: Celeste and bringing him to his home in Hollywood, is
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  Speaker 5: also in this civil lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say Operation Awesome?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 5: Operation Awesome. That is what David and Celeste referred to
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  Speaker 5: when he was, I like to use the word kidnapping,
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  Speaker 5: took Celeste from her home because she's not of age
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  Speaker 5: to consent. She's a child, a minor from her home
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  Speaker 5: in Lake Elsinore, where she packed bags, put things even
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  Speaker 5: in a trash bag to go with him to his
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  Speaker 5: home in West Hollywood. And his bodyguard was a part
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  Speaker 5: of that. His bodyguard drove. So he's listed in the
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  Speaker 5: civil lawsuit as well. And that's something that I think
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  Speaker 5: a lot of us want more information on. He didn't
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  Speaker 5: live with David the entire time, but he was a
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  Speaker 5: part of this. He was aware of Celeste. He drove
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  Speaker 5: back and forth from West Hollywood to Lake Elsinore. That
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  Speaker 5: is not a short drive. You've got to take at
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  Speaker 5: least an hour and a half to two hours away.
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  Speaker 4: It is far.
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  Speaker 5: And he went with David to pick up a miner,
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  Speaker 5: remove her from her home, and bring him back to
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  Speaker 5: West Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You know, Steve Fisher joining us. Tonight, missing
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  Speaker 1: persons private investigator, search rescue specialist, owner of search investigations,
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  Speaker 1: Fisher is the one. He beat the L.A. cops to it,
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  Speaker 1: who took it upon himself to go into the neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: after Celeste's decomposing body was found in the trunk of
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  Speaker 1: D4VD' s Tesla. He, Fisher, went and collected ring door cams,
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  Speaker 1: and he, Fisher, pieced together how the Tesla was moved,
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  Speaker 1: that's from Steve right there, from spot to spot to spot,
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  Speaker 1: so no one in the community would complain that a
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  Speaker 1: filthy and stinky car, hey, let's see that demonstration, please,
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  Speaker 1: that you were just about to show, was parked in
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  Speaker 1: front of their home. The car was moved and moved
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  Speaker 1: and moved, and here you see our friend Scott Eicher reenacting,
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  Speaker 1: putting body bags full of, well, in the real case,
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  Speaker 1: body parts, in the trunk of a Tesla and how
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  Speaker 1: it would fit. He even did a demo about how
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  Speaker 1: a young girl, Celeste, age and size, there you go,
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  Speaker 1: would easily fit in the trunk. That's the Tesla reenact
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  Speaker 1: from Scott. But back to Fisher, he's been on this
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  Speaker 1: case from the very beginning. Did you know about Operation Awesome?
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  Speaker 1: And what is a 13-year-old girl supposed to think? I
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  Speaker 1: think they met when she was around 11 or 12.
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  Speaker 1: She was still wearing Hello Kitty clothes. That said, what's
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  Speaker 1: that young girl supposed to think? She gets picked up,
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  Speaker 1: brought to a mansion where all of these hangers-on are
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  Speaker 1: sucking up to her boyfriend. Of course she's going to
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  Speaker 1: have sex. No question. And everybody in the whole house
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  Speaker 1: knew what was happening. They did nothing. And I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if that manager... has gotten immunity. Because for me, I
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  Speaker 1: would put them all in the same pot, let them stew,
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  Speaker 1: and turn the temp on high. But that's just me. So,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about what you're hearing about Operation Awesome?
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  Speaker 7: So, I didn't know about Operation Awesome itself until the prelim,
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  Speaker 7: but we learned, I learned from another minor that he
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  Speaker 7: abused at the house that she was getting transportation to
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  Speaker 7: and from the house through that security guard. Um, and,
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  Speaker 7: but we weren't able to actually cooperate that because she
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  Speaker 7: didn't have the name of the guy, uh, until it
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  Speaker 7: came out in court to that. Indeed, there was a
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  Speaker 7: security guard living there. Um, you know, we believed her,
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  Speaker 7: but we didn't have anything pinning it down. But you know,
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  Speaker 7: your other point about, did anybody get immunity? I think
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  Speaker 7: this civil suit is so important because they're not going
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  Speaker 7: to be able to escape, um, you know, um, those
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  Speaker 7: depositions and whatnot. And I do think even though those
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  Speaker 7: don't become public, motions to dismiss and whatnot will become public.
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  Speaker 7: Those are inevitable. They're going to have to kind of
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  Speaker 7: tell the story in those motions. And I think we're
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: going to hear about who may have been there, who
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: may have known what, who may have witnessed things, and,
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  Speaker 7: you know, who ultimately got immune.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I want to stress allegations of D4VD having sex
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  Speaker 1: with other minors are just allegations. They have not been proven.
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  Speaker 1: He's not been charged in that. He's not even a
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  Speaker 1: POI in that, person of interest. Steve Fisher, it is
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  Speaker 1: your testimony, your claim, that you have spoken to other
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  Speaker 1: minor girls that claimed that they had relations with D4VD.
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  Speaker 7: From one of them, I have photographic proof, many pictures,
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  Speaker 7: that have been forwarded to DA's office and to LAPD.
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  Speaker 7: They don't seem to be taking any action on it,
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  Speaker 7: which is disappointing, obviously, to the other minors. But there's
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  Speaker 7: proof there, and it's in my client's house. There is
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  Speaker 7: absolutely no doubt. One of them is on the move-in day,
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  Speaker 7: on Valentine's Day, Edward and Celeste. was being kidnapped and
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  Speaker 7: taken to the other house. He is taking pictures with
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  Speaker 7: another minor, and I have those pictures, and I know
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  Speaker 7: she's a minor.
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  Speaker 1: Put up Fisher. Put up Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: Fisher.
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  Speaker 1: Fisher. Wait a minute. I want to make sure I
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  Speaker 1: understand what you just said. Back it up like three sentences.
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  Speaker 7: So on Valentine's Day, he is in, that's the day
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  Speaker 7: they take possession of my client's rental house, the one
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  Speaker 7: that's being called The Mansion. He takes possession of that.
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  Speaker 7: He's with another miner in that house. And I have
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  Speaker 7: photographs that are timestamped on that day. And it's clearly
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  Speaker 7: my client's house. They're together. They're in a bed. And
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  Speaker 7: that's the day that Celeste is also being transported to
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  Speaker 7: the other house, which was like the streaming studio where
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: they did the fanfare. delete everything stream.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you state that you have seen photographic proof of
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  Speaker 1: a minor with D4VD, another minor, not Celeste, in bed.
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  Speaker 1: Were they clothed?
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  Speaker 7: They were clothed, but they were... making out and there
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  Speaker 7: were very suggestive photos. They were clearly inappropriate.
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  Speaker 1: So making out, that is a crime to make out
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  Speaker 1: with a minor. If they were not clothed, either of them,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that would be a crime, but laying on a bed,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: fully clothed, not a crime. But if you saw photographic
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: evidence of them making out with a little girl, crime,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I've got all kinds of sirens just blaring in my
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: head right now. But again, To believe that, you'd have
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to believe Steve Fisher. D4VD has not been charged with that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: He's not a person of interest in that or named one.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: He's not a suspect in sex relations with other minors.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Why are we talking about it? Because Dave Mack, Crime
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, tonight reports he is contacting minors from
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: behind bars. If that is true, this is rhetorical, of course.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, Karen Stark is going to shudder. What is
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: wrong with him? What do you know, Dave Mack? Is
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he writing or contacting other minors from behind bars for
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Pete's sake?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Nancy, here's what we know, okay? There is physical evidence.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: There is a letter written in hand. Of course, the guy,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Burke's in prison or in jail. And The letter has
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: gone viral online from somebody claiming to be 14. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it is a letter that appears to be written by David.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And it is.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Where he just says, I received your letter today. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: he puts the date of June 11th. I'm not sure
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: when this will get to you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And it goes on.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: There's not a lot there other than he goes kind
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: of religious on it. The deal here is that TMZ
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: has compared the letter writing to this minor with another
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: letter written to a trustee in the jail that they
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: know came from David to this jail trustee who David
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: became friends with. And comparing the two letters, looking at
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: how they're written, looking at the terminology, it appears that
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: both letters written by the same individual, David Anthony Burke.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, Dave Mack, I was about to extort you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: for comparing the handwriting and say something like, are you
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a handwriting comparison expert? No, you're not. But the truth is,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, when you, a layperson, can look at two
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: handwriting samples and determine if they're written by the same person,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes there are close calls. But there are obvious similarities here.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And yes, I wouldn't put you on the stand as
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: an expert in that field, but it's very plain. You're
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: right that the same person wrote that. That said, to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining us, she is a renowned psychologist, TV
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: radio trauma expert, consultant. Thank you for making time for
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: us tonight, Karen Stark. And you can find her at karenstark.com,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Karen, When I asked the rhetorical question,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: what is wrong with him? Well, there's so many things.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But is it a compulsion that you just have to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: seek out minor girls? Because we think Celeste was, correct
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Marissa and Dave, 11 or 12
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: when she was targeted by David Anthony Burke. Then you've
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: got Steve Fisher talking tonight about he has interviewed and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: seen photos of young girls that have been with Burke. Well,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: obviously there's something wrong with him, but is it a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: compulsion like a child molester?
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: Yes, that's exactly what you're talking about. If it's true,
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: you're talking about someone who's a pedophile. And the truth
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: is they can't have sex any other way. This is
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: what will attract them. It's almost impossible to do any
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: kind of rehab on that kind of person because the
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: attraction comes from being with someone who's underage, who's a child.
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: And that seems to be happening here because it's not
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: just her. If it's true, then there are other girls
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: involved and that's what's wrong with him. He has that need.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: That compulsion. Look at your screen.
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: That's what excites him.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Look at your screen. A little girl, a little girl, uh,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Marissa Reyes joining us, the star of The Light True Crime.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: How old? Oh, my stars. Look at her. How old
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: was Celeste when she was targeted by David Anthony Burke?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Celeste was only 11 years old when they first made
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: contact on Fortnite.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: 11.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, 11. And Marissa has listened to every word
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in court. She's seen all the documents. 11 years. What
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: were you saying about they can't have sex unless it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a child? What?
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: Yes, they can't because this is what excites them. This
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: is what gets them off, Nancy. And so it has
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: to be somebody who's underage. And as soon as she
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: would get older, he would be turned off if that's
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: who he is. And it seems right now like that's
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: who he is. This is what attracts him. People who
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: are like that, they don't have a choice. You can't
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: do any kind of reform with them. You can't try
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: and change them because it's fixed. Their sexual attraction is
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: fixed on children, as horrific as that is.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I can think of one way it could be fixed,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but castration, physical castration, sadly, is not allowed in our country.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: We do have chemical or drug castration where the guy
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: essentially cannot get an erection, but once they quit taking
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the pills, erection on! To Joe Scott Morgan joining us,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is the star
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of a YouTube hit, Body Bags, with Joe Scott Morgan.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: He is a death investigator with over 10,000 death investigations
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: under his belt. Joe Scott, at age 11, she doesn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: even have breasts. She probably hasn't even started a period.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: She's a baby.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: Yes, she is. And yet here he is, attracted to her, allegedly,
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: and engaging in this so-called relationship. I wouldn't call that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: I love the term coercion that you were using earlier.
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: But let me tell you how also, if we are
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: to believe reports of what we're hearing, Nancy, let me
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: give you another kind of insight from a forensic standpoint
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: that translates, I think, into Karen's area. Nancy, when he
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: bore witness to those images at that hearing back in July.
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: And I'm talking about images that involved a hand missing
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: a finger where a tattoo had been. You're looking at
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: severely decomposed human remains that are in multiple elements or pieces. Nancy,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: they're saying that he had little or no reaction to it,
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: almost reptile-like. I would say, very cold blooded. It didn't
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: impact him according to what the reporters were saying from
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: within the court. And to me, that's quite striking because, Nancy,
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: as you well know, you can look at my hair
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: and tell I've been at this for a long, long time.
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: And there are things still to this day that I
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: can see either in the morgue, autopsy photographs, crime scene
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: photographs that still chill me to the bone where, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: I will react to it. And if this is the case,
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: this puts this guy on a completely different level of
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: what he may or may not have been capable of.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you're right. According to eyewitness accounts in court,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: when the photos of Celeste rendered disarticulated remains were introduced
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in court, he was stoic, actually looked relaxed. To Steve Fisher,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Steve Fisher has been actually investigating the case since the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: get-go and gave a lot of information to the LAPD
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: when we were all wondering why aren't there charges. Relaxed
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: getting a back rub in court by a female lawyer
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: while they're showing Celeste's disarticulated body?
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, before I got thrown out on the
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: third hearing, I was there for the first two hearings,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: and so I saw that interaction between The lawyers in him,
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: he is very relaxed, seemed very confident in his lawyers.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know exactly what happened there because I truly
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: don't think he's out of money. But it's a weird dynamic,
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: how he is not just absolutely panicking right now and
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: demanding the hearings for bail and whatnot. It almost seems
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: like he's comfortable in this setting, which is, it's all
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: just so bizarre to me. I think this is gonna
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: go down as one of the uh is a is
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: a is a crime that's studied uh in true crime
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: for forever i mean this is this is as bad
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: as it gets and listen we know a lot but
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: there's stuff that that i know that hasn't come out
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: yet that that if it goes to trial will it
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: gets worse.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: So And we're back in court again, this time because
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Celeste's parents are suing D4VD civilly. That means for money. Now,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: earlier you heard Eric Faddis, veteran trial lawyer, talking about
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the legalities of a civil lawsuit and how very often
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you cannot claim the Fifth Amendment when you're being sued civilly.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But there is a caveat, and that caveat is that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: When you are sued civilly and you have a criminal
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: case such as murder pending, you can take the Fifth Amendment,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: even in a civil deposition, unless you've gotten immunity or
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: unless your case is completely over, including the appeals. So
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: if the 4VD is called to take a deposition, he
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: can still take the Fifth. His parents, not so much.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Celeste's family is suing David's mom for wrongful death, but
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: we need to hold up here for a moment because
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: they definitely knew more about this relationship. We have text
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: messages between David and Celeste where she's asking him if
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: his mom is aware of them doing you-know-what. Then we
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: see them together at the Fonda Theater later that month.
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: In September of 2024, Celeste turned 14 years old and
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: she asked her parents the day before David went to
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: London if she could join him. This would have been
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: on September 23rd, where both of her parents signed off
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: on a travel consent form for her to go internationally
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: with David when she should be in school.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: That's from TikTok at Sloan. So to Eric Faddis, for
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the parents to now sue D4VD civilly, many people are arguing,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: as you just heard Sloan suggesting, hey, you signed the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: consent forms for her to go out of the country.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You knew she was there. What did you think was happening?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They were playing D4VD. Rummy? No, that's not what was happening.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And you should have known that although, Faddis, there's a
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: big difference in suing over trips out of the country
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and alleged sex with a minor and the murder of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: your child. Big difference. They are entirely within their rights
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to sue.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: Without question, they can absolutely bring this lawsuit. But what
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: some of those opinions are touching on is this idea
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: of comparative negligence. And it's not something, not an opinion
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: I hold necessarily, but I think the defendants in this
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: civil case could allege that, hey, if the plaintiffs themselves
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: bore some responsibility, if they were also negligent in terms
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: of bringing about these adverse outcomes detailed within that lawsuit,
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: then those plaintiffs could have to share some of that
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: legal responsibility. And so I think the defendants are going
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: to say, hey, you know, if the security and the
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: record company and things like that by, you know, providing
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: funding and making arrangements, if they're responsible, wouldn't Celeste's parents
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: also potentially share some of the responsibility for giving these permissions,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: for consenting to these arrangements that also could have contributed
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: to these acts taking place. It's a difficult argument to
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: make without question. I'm not making it, but I could
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: see the defense attorneys in the case making it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So, Eric Faddis, I hear what you're saying, that the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: parents bear some responsibility for handing their daughter over on
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a silver platter to D4VD when anybody would know he
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: wanted her to be with him for sex reasons. But
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: You've heard the theory or studied in law school of
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: intervening criminal act. We may trash them as parents. We
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: may think we would have done it differently, but they
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: certainly did not sign a consent for her to be
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: disarticulated and put in a trash bag.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Can't that same intervening event argument be made by the
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: defendants in this case, by the security guard, by the management,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: by David's own mother? Couldn't they also argue in the
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: same vein, Nancy? that, hey, we signed up to try
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: to promote this person as a musician. We didn't sign
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: off on any of these horrid events happening. In fact,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: there was an intervening cause. That intervening cause was this
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: alleged monster, David, who engaged in misconduct sexually with a
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: minor and then allegedly offed her and tried and disarticulated
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: her body. It seems like that argument could play both
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: ways in terms of the intervening cause and in terms
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: of the legal responsibility being placed on the primary actor
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: in this alleged series of events.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: To Marissa Reyes, joining us, star of The Light True Crime, Marissa,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: what exactly are the claims in the parent civil lawsuit
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: against David Anthony Burke?
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: They're mostly centered around wrongful death and that they also
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: took away the possibility of having future memories with her
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: and all of that and that people knew about what
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: was going on. Now, I want to bring up something
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: in the civil lawsuit that stood out to me because
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of it is primarily based off of what
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: we heard in the preliminary hearing. But there was something
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: that I had to stop because I was shocked we
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: did not hear about this in the preliminary hearing. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I think it's important. Now, I'm going to read the
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: exact quote. In the civil lawsuit, they state on or
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: about April 23rd through 24th, 2025, immediately after the killing,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: transporting decedent's body and driving to a remote area of
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Santa Barbara County off State Route 154 to begin disposing
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: of evidence. Here they're alleging that David also seemed to
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: have transported her body up to Santa Barbara. We have
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: never heard of that in the preliminary hearing. That stood out.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: So do the lawyers, does the family know anything more,
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: or are they just alleging this completely and But this
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: stood out. That was also part of it, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: the fact that he transported her body out of the area.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Wow. What do you know about that, Steve Fisher, about
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the Santa Barbara connection? Marissa's right, because we've known, and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's through his cell phone or GPS tracking,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that he went to Santa Barbara. What do you think
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: about that? That's being alleged in the civil suit we're
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: discussing tonight.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I've said before that I do not
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: believe that Celeste was stored at the house for those
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: 11 days or whatever it was, but I believe that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: you know, she was taken to Santa Barbara and then
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: at some point brought back. There was too many people
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: coming in and out of the house. His parents were
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: in town at that time, and there was somebody living
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: at the house, you know, Rob Morgan. So I don't
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: believe she was stored there. There was no freezer that
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: we know of. And so I do believe that they're
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: right in the civil suit. She was transported to Santa Barbara.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: And I'll tell you, besides the telemetry they have on
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: the Tesla, I've been to that spot in Santa Barbara,
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: there are license plate readers on that highway. So they
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: have him. Plus, he went to a charging station.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Tonight, is D-450 David Anthony Burke actually communicating with minor
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: girls from behind bars? Does his compulsion know no end?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Are there potential charges for coercing an abortion on a
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: young girl? Has he made $ 3 million since Celeste's murder?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: All of these questions and allegations swirling, I don't know
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: if we'll ever have the answers. But one thing I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: do know, to Joseph Scott Morgan, what happened to this
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: little girl, Celeste?
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: Well, she sustained a sharp force injury, Nancy, to her chest.
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: or to her, to her abdomen. And, uh, it's my opinion, uh,
• 37:51
  Speaker 11: throughout all of this, this is just where the horror starts. Uh,
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: if we are to understand, you know, the findings of
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: the pathologist, such as they were relative to, uh, relative
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: to what they had left, uh, what they had left.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: And it has been described actually, forgive me as soup, uh, that, uh,
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: her little body, uh, was in fact, uh, rendered down
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: to the point where, where there was not much to
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: work with Nancy. And so the assessment that they were
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: having to do in the morgue, also at the scene,
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: you know, when, when they began to open up that
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: frunk of that car and that smell came out, her body,
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: articulated in various bags, not to mention apparently in a
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: body bag. Nancy, I never thought I'd hear myself saying
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: that relative to a body bag being part of a
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: criminal investigation. I've never seen the likes of this. It
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: was a slow death that she suffered. If that injury
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: is accurate that they're talking about, she would have bled out.
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: It would not have been sudden. It would have taken
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: some period of time. And then after all of that,
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: This individual is going to stand over her remains and
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: use some kind of instrumentality here to take her body
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: apart piece by piece and then treat it with this
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: level of disrespect where the body is being moved about
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: over and over again, where the body is being essentially
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: entombed in a Tesla vehicle with no respect whatsoever until
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: she gets to the point where she is rendered down
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: to where she is in a liquid state to a
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: great part, Nancy.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Even thinking, Joe Scott, of ordering a kiddie pool to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: affect the murder and disarticulation so as not to destroy
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: or muss up his own garage. Do you recall that?
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I do. And again, that's one of the striking things,
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: my friend, is that you would go to these links
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: to facilitate that where you're searching for all of these items.
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: And Nancy, I got to tell you, you know, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: searches that were done looking to purchase these items, when
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: you contextualize all of that, it's enough to send a
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: chill up and down the spine of the most resolute
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: of those among us. because it's absolutely horrible. And it
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: goes to thought, doesn't it, that these are the instruments
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: that may be required of me in order to facilitate
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: what the police are alleging here. And this is a deep,
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: dark hole to go down, my friend. And then what
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: we're left with at the end of the day is
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: a child's body, a child's body that has been shown
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: the utmost in disrespect And there's really nothing there. There's
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: nothing there that scientifically you can really, you know, set
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: your feet strongly upon because it's so compromised that whoever
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: did this to her facilitated the rot that we see.
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: Forgive me for saying that, but the rot that we
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: see with the remains, the degradation here of all that
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: remained of this precious little child.
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  Speaker 1: And Steve Fisher joining us, PI, owner of Search Investigation. Steve,
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  Speaker 1: if you, you, single-handedly had not collected all of that
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  Speaker 1: ring cam, doorbell cam, the works, which you've shared with us,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, and handed it over to the LAPD, this
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  Speaker 1: case may never have been solved.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it started, honestly, with the burn cage and
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  Speaker 7: the chainsaw, and we didn't understand why those weren't taken
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  Speaker 7: in the search warrant, and You know, a lot of
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  Speaker 7: people thought we were sensationalizing the case by saying the
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  Speaker 7: burn cage might have had anything to do with it,
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  Speaker 7: that that was just a prop being used on a video.
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  Speaker 7: But we knew by looking at the totality of evidence
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  Speaker 7: that this was a potential plan by him. And I
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  Speaker 7: can see why people didn't believe it. It seems like
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  Speaker 7: movie props, chainsaws and burn cages and bodies and trunks
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  Speaker 7: of Teslas sitting in wealthy neighborhoods. It is absolutely... You know,
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  Speaker 7: I remember one of the first... Times I talked about
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  Speaker 7: this in the press, I said, you know, there's going
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  Speaker 7: to be information that's coming out. This is sadistic. And
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  Speaker 7: that was before we could release the information about the
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  Speaker 7: parent cage, the chainsaws, and what we were finding. And
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  Speaker 7: it is all that. He is, if he did this,
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  Speaker 7: like he's charged, this guy's a monster.
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  Speaker 1: All defendants, all suspects. are innocent. As we go to
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  Speaker 1: air tonight, he is innocent regardless of what we may
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  Speaker 1: think or we may surmise or deduce. He is innocent
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  Speaker 1: under our law unless and until he is proven guilty
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  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. Both the state and the defense
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  Speaker 1: still building their cases as Celeste's parents call for the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty. If you think you know or do know
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: anything about this case, please dial 213-486-6890. We remember American
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: hero Deputy Sergeant Martin Shields, Jr., Hines County Sheriff, Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty after just
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  Speaker 1: nine months on the force, leaving behind his wife, Christy Ann,
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  Speaker 1: and their daughter, Aubrey. American hero Deputy Sergeant Martin Shields, Jr.,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: being with us. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.