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Insider Talk: Fear Screen Film Horror Festival Directors with J.Finlayson & S.Daley · FILM&TVREVIEW.COM

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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to this special edition of a film and TV review, where we look at those who are working in an industry and are part of current productions and industry in general.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, I'm joined by some previous guests, Jay and Simon, who, if you listen previously, were part of our location management episode.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So running a festival, fair screen,
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think based in Northumberland and they had to tell us about that, they both did writers of it and it's a great kind of opportunity for young talent and a great hub outside of the London area.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Jay and Samuel welcome.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So how did this start as a concept?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just setting up a festival.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was there something that you felt that you'd want to do for years
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, for us, Jay started off an organization called Set Starters, which I've been a part of with him and you know, it's all about helping new entrants get into high-end and TV film and giving them the knowledge that they need in order to be able to successfully
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: get into the industry and work it.
• 2:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that we had in plan and discussion along with many other things was to eventually have a film festival.
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I went on holiday and I went to
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: to a phone call from Jay saying a message saying I've gone rogue I kept saying like text you're like I need to talk to you so call me back as soon as possible and then you call
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've gone work, made it like, how do you go and work?
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been reaching out for sponsors and starting up at first all, you're like, ah, for 2020, 136, I was like, no, for the soctober.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, that's 10 weeks away, I was like, yeah, it's 10 weeks away, we can do it.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we can't, I was like, yeah, we can, and we're fucking done it.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we ended up still having our event in the October Yes, which is our official launch of fear screen.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We decided that, you know, because we do a lot of helping with getting people into the high end TV and film, there was a market there for us for the independent side of things.
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jay is like, and this is going to, you know, you're going to get sort of raw and honesty here, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jay is a massive horror fan.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he is the horror buff.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the biggest of horror fans.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I have issue with a lot of the quality of horror and, you know, and the lack of story or the replication and, you know, there's a lot of elements of it that I've always been against as a filmmaker.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But with that being said, well, then what's the best opportunity then to be part of something where we can do exactly that up the status, up the quality, give awards to people that deserve awards, give people awards, fairly on their talent and their merit, not because of just because they've submitted, you know.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: with it being his favorite genre and being his thing that he's all about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got creepy dolls in his house and all sorts, you know, and me being a filmmaker and us becoming together and being like, yeah, okay, let's do this.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just worked out perfectly to be fair because I do actually like horror films, but only good ones.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And from my opinion, about 90% of them are terrible.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Or been watching him with the wrong eyes because yeah one thing I've been learning about horror films
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: is that sometimes the worse they are, the better they actually are.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I never used to look at it from that lens.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I only used to look at it from purely a technical aspect.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, like, when you pull a blood and honey, like the costume was awful, it was terrible, like I'd have not even watched it because it just put me off.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then the people that absolutely love it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and it's become a massive hit and it's still a comedy horror, though, I think they want it to be serious, but I don't know man, people love it, people love it and who am I to judge what other people do or don't love.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can just go in with my open perspective on it and my filmmaking mind and put everything into it while Jake can be like, yeah, you might not like that, but this is awesome.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, a check and ask, what does the horror genre mean to you?
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you know, like... No, I was like, I grew up in like a somewhat of a gothic family.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, a gothic sister, alternative parents, you know, and then when I was like young, my sister had a big box full of VHS and some DVDs.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what's like the awkward stage of when, you know, if it's come media, I didn't know where I wanted to be.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So used to bring out VHS or DVDs, that horrible little Eva.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think everyone, I think you're all enough Jason to know back in the late 80s and early 2000s this little what am I going to buy?
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to buy a VCR, I'm going to buy a DVD, what I'm going to do now, it's all streaming.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, look at that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, so there's a big box full of all these films and I think, I'm sick and tired of watching or what I'm watching.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like six years old, six and I was like, what's this?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What's my own street?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to watch that.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, this is actually amazing.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all horrible whipping the guss out, you know, humanity in a sense of the society we live in, it's quite a shit society to be honest.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But watching us, like someone gets tortured for it, and dreams and teenagers, being, even as a kid, being in, uh, don't like the teenagers down at the park, you know, and I always think, oh, younger kid, we're going to bully them.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to watch you get your face ripped off.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: by, you know, a stereotypical slasher, and that's where it all came from, it's stand because I watched Naem on Elm Street, and I was like, would prefer to have a half of them as I watched, and someone kicked him in, like, this is just like a hobo-low voice, I was like, like, watching people get killed, don't you?
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, I do.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah!
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's the same place to explore them, though.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the same place to explore the dark thoughts.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I want to miss other public thoughts of life, what's going on in the world.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we can't exactly go on and punch our neighbor because he's been too loud with his music.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not allowed to do that.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you don't allow to do that, Simon, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's all that's stuck in the back of our heads and that's never going to go away.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even we evolved to have all these rules and other class and lower class societies.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's...
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  [SPEAKER_03]: it's there, it feels, it feeds that more but it's, say, I'll be all hug.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the cons people, conses are, I don't like our films because it's too gore not like, yeah, but when you see an accident, someone, like if someone banks their film with a hammer, you just want to like, oh, I just want to have a look at that, yeah,
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what hollows are.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or even car accidents, like if you see every single person, if there's a car accident on the motorway, I guarantee every person driving past is being nosy and having a look because we have a morbid curiosity.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think another element of it as well for me is like, I've really been thinking about this and why horror films have such a massive following and why so many people like to be scared.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've spoken to Jay about this as well as like I think when you really think about everything it's like fear is the only universal emotion, like the fear of the unknown, the fear of dying, like it's really the only universal emotion.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Comedy is cultural thrillers based upon your taste,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: love is different to every single person, but at the same time everybody fears the unknown and everybody fears death.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess horror really ties into both of them and it's with that one universal fear or that one universal emotion regardless of where you are in the world.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So do you think it was like what made you just like that was the the best time to do it,
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does always does well, but what was it's quite a big move to actually dedicate a festival and particularly in in horror, which is pretty a very good genre, especially if you son of my budget, independent makers and we've already had a good history of how in this country, you know, on the budget, but what we've done timing now that really was pushed you to like I'm going to do this.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a regular voice in my head and I'm going to do so and I'm going to do it and my wife was at work, I was sat alone and Simon was on holiday so I couldn't have him ground me and if there's no one there to like listen, let's just step back and think about it and then I'll just go and do it.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's to drive I have
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a massive open market in the tea side area for a hollow film festival in Newcastle.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got talent, time, and something.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got some ben shorts.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Film festival and there's a little film club that is a hollow film festival every year.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: In Yorkshire, you've got dead north in Manchester, you've got grim fest, but we're looking at T-side and no volunteer doesn't often really near, and we're going to fill that gap up, there's a market now which we can do, and during the quiet period when I'm not having any work, I have something to focus on, so I'm not going insane, well I was going for an phone call on email.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: and how is a good place to start off with before we go on to a bigger ocean where festival, which is in the workshop, we're not going to speak at all about that, because so actually it's on title as a little snippet, it's going to be a festival, it's not going to be a whole of festivals, it's going to be a ocean or festival,
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole festival was a launch part of what can we do, what what works, what doesn't work.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can fiddle on with it and see where we're going to land and so when we start this horse on, we can bring in horse on, there's more filmmakers, more films in and with fresh screen, we can start dipping the tors and so we know what we're doing and perfect everything before we go or genre.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's also other little, so we,
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Without going into too much detail or giving too much away at this stage, we have a lot of things that are happening in the background that we don't really publicly speak about, and that really only us and our tight circle know about.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot that we have planned.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: the intention and the strategy in place to be more than that, we will have a lot happening throughout the year and the film festival will just happen to be when the community comes together yearly to celebrate.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to just be a hey look, we have a film festival.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about money, it's about genuinely helping the industry, it's about genuinely
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: helping this area and the film industry in this area actually thrive.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we are doing, they're not just us personally, but there's a lot actually happening where they're trying to push more and more money into this area for film.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And trying to bring more jobs into the area because at the moment the North East is one of the most difficult places to actually maintain a TV and film career.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So most of us have to move either to Scotland or down south or to Wales or to Manchester or you know, then we have to move out of our home area in order to be able to have a career in teaching film.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's actually been a goal of mine before we even met Jay.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a plan for building a TV and film studio here in the Northeast.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: to bring actually a whole bunch of bigger productions down.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have other plans around it that would have enticed people.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was talking about this back in 2014.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, 10 years nearly, 11 years down the road, they've started building studios in the area.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have one in heartly pull.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a new one being built in Sunderland, I think.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is actually now starting to become a thing.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we've been ahead of it for a while because we are suffering from it.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like we physically are taking that first hand experience of the lack of film industry in our area, which means that there is a lack of work in our area, which means that we have to leave home if we want to work.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think that it all stems from that ultimately is why we are always
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: um, having more in the area.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's always consciously away from, let's say, the most London centric areas that was maybe the basis of this.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was never about so we spoke about doing popups.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We spoke about how we could maybe just do it online.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we did have these conversations.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when we actually really think about what matters to us, like if we wanted to make a lot of money, then yeah, we go central hubs, go London, go Manchester, you know, to be in go these places and compete against the competitors or do it online, because then if it's also the online, then you can just do whatever.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not about
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily about us making money.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's more about providing a space and providing an opportunity for people who have no idea about film, people who love film and people who are making films to all be in the same place and be able to just
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: communicate and discuss, work together, collaborate to improve their understanding and knowledge.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because ultimately, this existence is all about storytelling, whether I'm telling you a story now, or whether we're telling a story on screen.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: What we do is we tell a story and it's about bringing all of us together into a shared place where we can all have like-minded people that are all aiming towards the same goal.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: plus cinemas are dying, and we want to get people into a cinema.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we've parted off of an independent cinema and we can people in there, and we all can people interested in Middle Spir, like we have a bond film from a producer who detects
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a first time director, he's produced a really good film as I warm up with the top five films of what's what's so far and since he's been last been under submission best we've had
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Quite a lot more particularly honest.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of going away from us because we've got some mission team and they keep saying, I love this film I love that film.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying well show up.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't tell us about it to say what film you love Do not say anything.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to watch it myself and last time I checked like a few weeks ago We had over 20 hours now in nearly over a hundred hours of films to watch
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: because it's just more and more comes.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we want people to come and come to Milesburg and see it's not really much of that bad of a play.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some beautiful locations here.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's quite industrial.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's got the, you know, Victorian, like even steel age era of buildings you can bring in and have, you know, a good period drama in Milesburg.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we could do good horror films.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We could do good, yeah, I mean, just what I'm the locals.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, but honestly, the truth of it is, is like ever since I left uni, like I've been teaching kids filmmaking, as well.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I've done things with polling cork academy on a regular basis.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have an activity,
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: school food, whatever half it's called holiday activity and food.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I go down over the summer holidays and I teach to kids there filmmaking.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you know it's in we'll go to local colleges and chat with them and we do regular 48 hour film challenges.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and these are free to enter where people will give three stipulations, and then teams have to go away.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have 48 hours to basically come up with an idea, film it, edit it, and submit it.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we aim to usually have a live screening of the 48-hour film challenges for everybody so that they can see their films up on the big screen.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And all this sort of ties into what we really stand for is helping people become the best versions of themselves.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this just happens to be a horror dressing, if you will.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it still all stands the same.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about helping people become the best that they can be to challenge themselves, to try and push themselves and to be part of a community of like-minded people who want to create shit.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And not, you know, build our egos up massively is a lot for the maker.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's how our egos build, this is an egos build.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot for the makers when we make a film and put it on YouTube and not get many scenes.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just submit to festivals and then pay a lot of money and then get seen by audience and that's it.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of festivals won't.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: person support them.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So only a select few festivals where, you know, like Keynes, they've got major, do you know Netflix executives?
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've got chooses coming in and that's because they've got our connections with those people and now we have those connections with those people and we've started a conversation with them.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Netflix, people who work at Netflix, we've got the content curators, they're quite interested.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: They say, oh, what's going on, have you seen this, have you seen, like tell me why we have you seen as any good films we can probably, you know, but life is in free too.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they will hold your horses, we haven't, you know, got a selection yet.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we've got interest from people like Netflix, we've got interest from people like Amazon Prime.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And because we had no connections prior from working from Indian industry, we have a big net interest of like we're making a film festival.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's all so far, you know, we can help develop that October sense.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, this is funny.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Blacking then in the festival circuit as that kind of next stage, which it seems to be come more unique platform for you, consider your connections or that.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it lacking that much on the other festivals?
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You think that sort of connection?
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think from experience, the most film festivals, the way that they are actually coming to fruition is a number of ways.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Either it's filmmakers who decide they want to start a film festival and it starts off with just their group of friends in their local area.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: submitting their films to their own film festival and getting themselves awards, and then it builds from there, or you will have it where you have somebody that again wanted to work in the film industry in some shape way or form, but was unable to break through, so then they find another way to get in there.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you get people genuinely want to make money.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they find that there is an easy way to make money from people who are desperate to make it in an industry that feels like it's next to impossible to get into.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And people buy into that and will take advantage of that.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, for us, we are industry professionals, we are both creatives, we both want to help.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do other things outside of this like a fitness app and, you know, a whole bunch of other things that all tie into the same core value of helping people and helping people be the best and so yeah, I think for us again, you know, money is and is, you know,
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that we're aiming for is to assist people, to give people that opportunity, to be able to provide a film festival that genuinely supports the growth of the filmmakers career and not the growth of our bank account.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: professional backgrounds that you you've actually brought to the table and it's, is it something that you going to maybe give a framework for those who are or entrance that they can take advantage of as
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: with guidance from your head because I'm guessing because you have worked in a lot of the major productions and right your career.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So is that kind of like a venue specifically you can't play that a bit of a framework for them for what you're looking for in entrance, which I guess is quite useful for those who are trying to
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: get to those standards.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what can you kind of walk us through some of the maybe those aspects that you are specifically looking for in a submission let's say?
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you want me to take that Jared, do you want to take that?
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: We get talked to him.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do I give you first?
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: We will read the director statement of the director statement.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if anyone's listening, you want to submit a film to a festival.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have a director statement, have a little cover letter.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us about your experience, you know, the film will give you the idea.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to know more about it, but we're not just net about a film, we want to know about you.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Any film festival wants to know about you.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we start off with the call and the of who is the person we do sometimes I am medium and we don't we still like you know try a Google and Facebook and like then to see who we are or what things are created where they come from and when we watch the film we look at the mostly is the story you know because we had we were quite strict and then we got a lot of student submissions.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, well, we have to be quite more nicer because the students, no one has that budget, no one has that knowledge, but a student film that has all lighten in some terrible sound, probably some shaky camera work, but that storyline is on point.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It caught me from, it's got, you know, inciting incident, it's got a...
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good, second, middle actor's guy, good, and third act, it concludes well, it fulfills that need as, as yourself with a Jason, I'm assuming you are a film enthusiast, you look to watch films.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You do have those, you watch a film, you watch it, and it concludes well, you're like, yeah, this is this good, or it concludes in a bit of a twist and this ends, and just like if the answers you want and all those answers,
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what drives us as felon fans and as professionals as well, watching these felons, we want a good story line.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has a good story line, if it's missing parts, there's lots of plottles, if it's not, you know, structured correctly.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't keep it attention, then that kind of goes away into like, no, go away, back into the bad bin.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, why would say that in terms of like,
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the story is essential across the board.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we'll mention that again and again and again.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then it's also about creativity as well.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about the way that the people are implementing into implementing and putting forward their ideas.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we understand that the creativity
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The large human side, there is no such thing as creativity that nobody is genuine, the creative, or creates anything from nothing, has ultimately what we do is we take a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little bit of this and they're stir it up and now we have our self-illusionia.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the truth is, is that like, so we can only create what we take from, it's like aliens or antides or crab claws,
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so there is no genuine creativity, but it's the way that it is implemented, you know, so for instance, just a just an old random argument say, but we had our for the recent 48 hour film challenges.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a supposed to be a found footage and one of the contestants actually decided the found footage was a cap cam, so a cam where they put on their cat.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole scene for unfolds and the cat experiences it and then runs away and they, you know, so like,
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was quite creative because there has been a TV series before where they did that where the cats went off and explored and they saw what cats actually got up to.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then they've took that idea and implemented that into the cat witnessing a murder taking place.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's really actually quite intriguing when it's about how you implement that creativity.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a different, like what makes you different from this guy over here, you know?
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's just about, you can tell, you can tell when somebody's really put effort into something and when somebody's just through something together, right?
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it shows, like sometimes we get bad sound.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, we get a bit of a shaky footage or a bit of out-of-focus or a bit of whatever technical difficulty, right?
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just experience, we're learning, you know, that's all right.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: We could deal with that kind of stuff and we can work on that and get people opportunity to fix them things if possible or whatever.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the key thing, story, creativity, like,
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you implementing this and how are you going to get your message across and how philosophical is it?
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like how deep is your message, right?
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're just coming on to tell us the same story that Mike told us last week and that Frank sent us a film about 20 years ago and blood is like, what's the point?
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's get into new topics, new territory, challenge the state is quo.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's push the boundaries.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's make something worth making.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: and something of substance.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jay, what's that kind of like qualities you think that you have a knife or you look for maybe some other aspects that puts them over the line?
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's one that is, look at the same much too much about it because it's definitely on the selection list and I'm kind of estimated to the judges and everyone's like, I'm going to give this guy a award because he really deserves an award.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so the scene is they get tortured in a powerful, it's like it's a large night gone long, they get tortured in a powerful and it's it's peak, it's on point, a lot of stuff you can tell
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's it's it's all it's got my attention from beginning.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, let's see.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like little mess-ups people on and I like when people go on to things they shouldn't be going into and bang this things happen
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I like to element a surprise in that way.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, this isn't supposed to be happening.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is supposed to be a safe place.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't expect to go down to your grandma's house and her to be a well wolf, you know.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: This will happen to be a little bit wide.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I think through my little bit wide and who's one of my favorite stories because you don't expect it to be a wolf and bad.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you was gone.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can change your voice founded, also finally set starters, which we just an organization dedicated to creating entry points into the film and television industry.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see that as a also a part of a natural adjunct of this as in, or is there going to be developing, you mentioned it before a song
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Creative points for those trying to get a little industry.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is there going to be dynamic infrastructure?
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got plans for that all.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: set starters it's kind of went downhill because like I'm off hill so there it was all self-funded and it's only so much money I have and a lot of my money is went into Fiat screen and Fiat screen has we do a little fence like regular fence we get for the makers who've done big films like we had Craig Conway who was an actor from dog soldiers coming of his debut
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the money we made on that went to charity and a lot, and it's probably a small proportion of that, when the two keep in the website go and keep things, you know, it's self-sustainable pre-escreen, but set startups wasn't self-sustainable, and that would lie to my bank account.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of went down, but we do have plans of being set style back a little bit bigger better and more.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, we commonly cross it because what we do in the fiesta screen and the substantiys of fiesta screen and the other film festival we have planned on and the other stuff we have planned, that's all for independent sector.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: of the industry.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, set starters is now for high-end and major pseudo-productions.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like said in the last episode, we've set starters.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've crewed up stuff like, we've crewed up the new spam and phedom.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're helping crew up the new Batman phedom.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got these water group chats where we have friends who shared jobs to us.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we need a Marshal, we need a Gunnar, and it's not small jobs either, and it's like big studio Netflix shows.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the ones, and that's where set solar sets, it sits now in the high end and major studio production side of things.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, sphere screen is a lot of people don't want to go into major studio productions.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: they want to make no own stuff.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if we have screens there too, as an app and news like well come, and we're going to help you as much as we can.
• 35:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to try and get you off.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to help distribute your phone.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get a scene by an audience.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get seen by the important people that we know.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to use our lot of nepotism and try to break the gates off the industry because it's all in tight industry.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: nepotism.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all who you know.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now you know us.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to help you as much as we can.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what Friarskins about.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like separated.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It started off as a one as a sub-study of the set startup group.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It came its own entity and its own thing because we have other plans, we have friends and we're building stuff, we have no interest in filming tool, but they have technical minds and they're building on this amazing things and seeing it in my, like...
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just impossible to fight your tongue, right?
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just impossible to fight your tongue, right?
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by your tongue.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we've got some amazing shit that is actually happening.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have to be careful about what said and when it said until like,
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's so like we've got some good great partnerships already building we've got so yeah, there's some amazing stuff that that's actually in the works that's going to actually bring Substance not just to the British horror community, but the horror community of the world and I think there's going to be a lot of
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is like, and this is another thing as well as, and I want to be very clear and very open about this, you know, and I speak for both Jane myself when I say like, there is no competitors really, you know, everybody here is all trying to do the same thing.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is to help build the film community and the film industry and we're all here to help each other and you know we've been working with other film festivals and we have other conversations with a variety of different people and like ultimately.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: The grand scheme of things is we should all be coming together to make just a boom.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean?
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to clarify that like anybody that's game for thinking of some form of way we can do a partnership or a colabum, you know, whatever, like we're always open for discussion, we're always open to see how we can expand things.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the stuff that we've got coming in, like, yeah, it's going to be fantastic.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, it's like, Jay, then I'm just dying to just spit it out and just talk about it.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And really, but we got this happening and this happening.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So contact us for this, but no, we really have to, we have to really rain it in and just keep building in the background, building quietly and when it's, when everything's ready to come out, it'll all come out.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be fabulous, like, genuine, this can be great.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have hidden easterbakes that are pulsed snow.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have been burning like little tinny, tiny easterbakes, which you have to look at.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got to figure that out then.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was a success.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But just to call back onto the whole independent sector things, a lot of it in, I've noticed that a lot more recently, in independent groups, not there's a lot of competition.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people who say horrible things about
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: come out and start it's like well why are you competing against another filmmaker at the end of the development TV industry is a collaborative industry you need to have these connections you need to make any any need to bash together to make so in so stop stop the negativity in just like
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, let's be honest about this, and if we think about it realistically, and we even go at like 28 years later, the bone temple and obsession, right?
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are two horror films by two different filmmakers.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that them two are slagging each other off and saying that one's work is better than the others' work and that they should have done this, and of course not.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: because like they're doing their own thing, right?
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're why, why, why you're not spending our time trying to think of ways that other people, like when you're working in a collaborative industry, it's about collaboration.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if you guys are doing similar things, different things upside down things and right side left.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes no difference.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're here to support each other.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what this is about, you know?
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're all here for the first time.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's enjoy it and help each other.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty simple.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's completely our ethos, it's making an alliance with everyone.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, you need a winner.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have this winner.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you've got a budget, if you've got a budget, if everyone else is going to pay it up, run out because at the end of the day, it's not experiencing a name to be exploited.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: The moment you, the moment you're paying everyone else, and a winner is not going to pay it as exploitation and it's illegal.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to, you're going to push near dreams, you're going to push near like hope of being in the industry.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a lot of free work mind.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of free work, but that again, though, there's, there's this element and this level of deciding that though, because like I've done free work purely out of passion because I wanted to be there.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the, and the thing was, I made that decision to do that.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't like, oh, yeah, you come on this and you're going to get this and you're going to get that, but sorry, we can't pay you it's like no, I'm sorry, this isn't a paid job, but if anybody's interested, I'm like, well, yeah, I'm interested, you know, but I don't need.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've worked for free.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I still offer a lot of my services for free, and yeah, I'll just bring me all the time.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people will, if no one else is getting paid for it, I'll happily work for them.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: If no one else is getting paid, there's no big things for everyone else is getting paid, and you want someone else to work for you.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's a big normal my books.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my opinion to be honest.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you've actually some kind of interest with or connection with distributors, or you mentioned Netflix and Primes at heart.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: How?
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: involved are they being or very encouraging are they supported the festival or I mean what what's been here.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's been experienced.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of conversations now are intrigued but I haven't so no put the foot in and the like yeah okay yeah yes yes money here so yeah as a brand you can use a brand to get more viewers and that but they're like intrigued and
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is New Zealand.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: They start a conversation, they want to have a partnership so we can get they want to come and see the films.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do a little like online screen and for them so they can see films, pick the films and contact and we're going to be the middleman for that to speed up and for the filmmaker.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be the same conversation for when Netflix or Friday put the hammer down.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, okay, he has some, we want a piece of the spy, we're going to be the metal man.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be the one who's going to be, he has to film what he think is like, well, it's okay.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, are you speaking about the Lithuanian?
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, not the Lithuanian, we had to say.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, okay, it's named Andrew, he's from New Zealand.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got the email, it's like,
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a million emails.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I will have it.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so he's been talking and he wants us to apologize because he wants he wants to dispute the whole he wants to dispute a lot of films and but here's before you up so he he's going to start a partnership in first.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We do have like, like I said, we have Amazon Prime and Netflix in like people in there and they do represent these streaming services and they intrigued but they haven't fully committed to it yet.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So essentially we've got them under hook, we just try to get them on to bay in the sense.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But because we have no industry connections that are a lot more trustworthy of who we are.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not saying, you can't just listen to it.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Pairam was listening to something like that.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: These guys are connected with Netflix.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're just trying to make it for somebody to be filmed.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not guaranteed, okay?
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not for the way it's guaranteed.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have those connections.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just try to really didn't make it 100% before.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: We start advertising net or start showing them any of any films.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are, you know, the thing is that we have objectives.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have contacts.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're reaching out to the people that we know and beyond trying to make this the most beneficial that it can be for submitting filmmakers attending audience and even the people that are coming down.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we've actually, because of just the self-runs from the 30th of October until the 12th of November, we have our 12th event on the 13th of November.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Friday the 13th and this is going to be the so we're going to hit Halloween and Friday the 13th during this film festival for season one.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: This will not happen again for 11 years.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It will be 11 years before we hit Halloween and Friday the 13th again.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a lot planned.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have workshops that are going to be taking place where we have
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: special effects.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, we're going to have, yeah, the special effects make of ours would be practical, so people practically be getting involved, actor, director workshops, we're looking at some other things that we need to keep on the hush hush for now, just until it's all in place and we start promoting it.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, we have like, we have some some fantastic sort of, I guess the best way to we have some shenanigans happen and right, we got some things going down.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have some things that are going to happen and that are going to be a lot of fun on top secret, can't tell nobody and we're not telling you either.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, um, but yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot that's
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: once we start promoting and once we start being like this is going to happen, then the traction and stuff is going to build a lot more and we can be more free and open about what it is but yeah, we're going to make sure I would say from my research and everything that we've got in place already and the things that we have secured already
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that we are at a very, very, very good point for a first-year film festival starting off.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a really good position.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've done well over the last year of just our audience building and hosting events to anyone.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like, we've been, yeah, fiasco interns born in mid August, so it's not only a year and we've got, I think,
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of our major, I mean, we work in the locations department.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what, what can we say?
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All of our major locations are secured.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's that's that's what we do.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought like submission going on.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got the website.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a need?
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have you any subcategories there or are they kind of like Yeah, we'll open ended.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got board categories.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's about it.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We do.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a really typical category is like best filmed Don't know, but we are also
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: From my understanding, and I'm sure somebody on the internet somewhere will know something and probably correct me, and if you do, great link me as well.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for my understanding, we are the first film festival in the world to offer locations.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, best locations award to the location manager.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, to to all to the film, but like it's a location manager that's secured that location.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, so it would be I would say that we would be the first ones to like we say location manager.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, it could have been a producer that secured it or what it's very different in independent film than in this high end TV and film.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have to be understanding of that.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know for specifically when you get funded films like through BFI, you have to have a location manager.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of running gun gorilla filmmakers that probably don't even know what a location manager's role actually is.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the best location goes location manager or the film if there is no location manager that kind of thing.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we chose that because of a wall in the location department and the wall in the industry.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I should have said this before in our last chat, not the location itself.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is a counter.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't just walk up and shoot anywhere.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to think of it where it is logistically.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got that's what the location department is.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where can I, what can make this?
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: My world become true and make it more believable.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what a location department is.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we want to bring that into the different festival.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I was like, it could be the first, to my own college, the first festival to offer a location award.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have, I was back to the location manager from the UK who has his own business called Location Roots, who is the sponsor of that one.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll follow him along and go.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was the location manager on
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: to burn and girls, that bond, that team, after life, as well with Wikipedia phase.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was the location manager on elsewhere.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got good portfolio of jobs he's worked on.
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got his own company that helps people into the location department as well.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to sponsor it because he wanted to be the first one before I was going to offer to a facility like a location one or supply to locations or ADF.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, what the website for any take, I guess, submissions, they're only contact you there.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can just, you can drop the what the website is on that.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fiascgreen.com.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, um, it's so having, having so hyperlinked and you can hyper, yes, on the, on the on the homepage, it let me say is, um, submissions now open for
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you can't see.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: There.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like I'm soon now.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're early deadlines soon.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or standard deadlines soon.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So submissions all buy for them free.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where?
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's all a jet.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we've got, you know, our own submission.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bring platform.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would have loved to build one last time on thought.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's BSQueen.com.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brilliant.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: OK. Well, we'll look forward to that.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't use this in the home.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still not connected to submit your entries.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you Simon and Jay, a very exciting work happening here and adding to the next time.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: See you soon.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
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