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Credlin | 11 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Kido Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: We will not miss John Howard tonight at seven thirty
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Speaker 2: good evening, Welcome to the program. Big news out of
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Speaker 2: Camber today, of course, with the elevation of mccanavan to
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Speaker 2: the National Party leadership.
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Speaker 3: That and a hole lo more.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline. Another major development
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East with Iranian ships set to deploy
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Speaker 2: mines in the Harmers straight blown, straight out of the water.
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Speaker 2: So what do this mean for the movement of oil
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Speaker 2: through the Strait? And that report today that our sub
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Speaker 2: mariners were sent to their bunks under orders from the
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Speaker 2: Albanesi government when a US sub file on that Iranian ship. Now,
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Speaker 2: if that's right, it's humiliating to Victoria. And they have
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Speaker 2: fifty million dollar taxpayer payout to keep Daniel Andrews out
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Speaker 2: of the court room over his hotel quarantine failures.
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Speaker 3: Now I warned this was precisely what would happen.
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Speaker 2: More on that shortly, plus the news is Lamophobia definition
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Speaker 2: in the UK. It was abandoned a few months ago.
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Speaker 2: Now it's back as well. Britain moves to trial by
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Speaker 2: jury and this is huge News for across to London
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Speaker 2: to speak with Brendan O'Neill on these moves that I
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Speaker 2: fear Labor will try and adopt in Australia. Last plenty
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Speaker 2: of analysis on the New York National Party with the
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Speaker 2: warrior Matt Canavan now at the helm.
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Speaker 1: We need to manifest a hyper Australia here. We need
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Speaker 1: to go hyper Australia for our country.
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Speaker 3: We will stay with that.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan elected today to lead the National Party. He
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Speaker 2: will certainly shake things up.
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Speaker 1: All we need to do to revive our great nation
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Speaker 1: is to have more Australia. We need to have more
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Speaker 1: Australian farming, more Australian manufacturing, more Australian jobs.
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Speaker 4: We need to have more Australian everything. We need to.
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Speaker 1: Manifest a hyper Australia here. We need to go hyper
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Speaker 1: Australia for our country. We need more Australian babies. We
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Speaker 1: need we need more Australia and humor, more Australian jokes.
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Speaker 1: We need more Australian barbecues, sometimes often fueled by fossil fuels.
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Speaker 4: We need more Australian everything.
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Speaker 2: You know well here on sky he's as smart as
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Speaker 2: a whip. He's a great communicator. Above all, Canavan will
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Speaker 2: be straight with people, straight about issues like Cole, a
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Speaker 2: priceless national asset that we should use here as well
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Speaker 2: as export because it still is the cheapest form of
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Speaker 2: reliable base load power.
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Speaker 1: All I stood for, all I've argued for, which we're
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Speaker 1: all doing right now as a Nationals and Liberal team,
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Speaker 1: is that we use all of our God given resources
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Speaker 1: for the benefit of Australian people. I think we should
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Speaker 1: run out energy system to deliver the lowest possible prices
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Speaker 1: for Australians.
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Speaker 4: That should be the primary goal.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 2: I mean he is a rare politician of conviction. He
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Speaker 2: did the honorable thing and resigned from the front bench
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Speaker 2: when he couldn't support Scott Morrison's decision to sign up
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Speaker 2: to net zero, and Morrison owed him plenty, given that earlier,
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Speaker 2: as his Resources Minister, Canavan had barnstormed Queensland and supported
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Speaker 2: the Idani mine and helped secure Morrison's miracle win in
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Now since then, as a maverick, Canavan's helped
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Speaker 2: push the Nationals to oppose the Voice that eventually led
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Speaker 2: to the Coalition saving the country from a constitutionally entrenched
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Speaker 2: piece of racial division, and he led the National Party
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Speaker 2: into reversing its position on that zero that eventually led
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Speaker 2: to the Coalition dropping all support for it as well.
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Speaker 2: And should the Coalition manage to win save Australia from
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Speaker 2: slow economic suicide. Now, it says something about Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: that he could have all of this influence from the backbench,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it. So imagine what it'll be like now that
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Speaker 2: he's the leader. That's the hope of many of his
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Speaker 2: colleagues in the Liberal Party as well, not just Nationals
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Speaker 2: that saw him voted in today. He's certainly an unorthodox
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Speaker 2: choice Garme and he's in the Senate, but there's no
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Speaker 2: constitutional bar and a party leader coming out of the Senate,
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Speaker 2: and the Senate's hardly less important than the House of Reps,
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Speaker 2: given that no government normally has a majority there.
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Speaker 3: The great thing about.
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Speaker 2: Canavan is they never leaves you in any doubt about
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Speaker 2: where he stands now. I've known him as a mate
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Speaker 2: for over seventeen years. Indeed, I was the one who
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Speaker 2: first hired him as a political advisor not long after
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott defeated Malcolm Turnbull for the Liberal leadership in
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Speaker 2: December two thousand and nine, and I hired Matt because
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Speaker 2: he was a values driven staffer and with an economics
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Speaker 2: degree and a stint as an economist at the Productivity Commission.
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Speaker 2: I knew he could add policy depths later when Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce needed more grunt in his office, so I offered
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Speaker 2: up Matt's name for the role. And believe me, I
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Speaker 2: didn't want to lose Matt Canavan, but I knew that
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Speaker 2: Barnaby needed any more.
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Speaker 3: The rest they say is history. I mean Canavan.
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Speaker 2: He might have been around politics for a while, but
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Speaker 2: he's still only in his mid forties.
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Speaker 3: He's a proud dat of five, is never succumbed to
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Speaker 3: the camera bubble.
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Speaker 2: He lives in the real world, in your Pooh with
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Speaker 2: his wife Andrea, and even today he made it clear
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Speaker 2: to the Parliament House Press Gallery that he won't be
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Speaker 2: pigeonholed nor will he be verbaled as a journalist tried
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Speaker 2: to do, claiming he voted to support changes to abortion
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Speaker 2: laws in this country.
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Speaker 6: What do you say to the Australian women who you
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Speaker 6: want to come across and vote for the Nationals for
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Speaker 6: the first time.
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Speaker 4: The only thing I've done.
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Speaker 1: The only thing I've been in these parliaments to try
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Speaker 1: and care for babies born alive. I mean, that's not
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Speaker 1: true what you've just said that the legislation I pushed
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Speaker 1: would not have changed anything to do with abortion. All
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Speaker 1: it would have done is if a babies born alive,
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Speaker 1: to provide them care.
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Speaker 3: So be a wake up call for the gallery.
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Speaker 2: With Canavan leading the NATS anchors, Taylor will have a
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Speaker 2: like minded colleague who won't shy away from a fight
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Speaker 2: with Labor over energy, immigration, budget policy, the whole lot
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Speaker 2: areas where the Coalition has been too often missing in
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Speaker 2: action and One Nation voters, the twenty five percent plus
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Speaker 2: who are currently saying the sick of politics as usual, well,
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Speaker 2: they'll now have a reason to give the Coalition a
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Speaker 2: second chance. And as for Teal voters, rather than pandering
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Speaker 2: to them, perhaps the Coalition needs to give them a
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Speaker 2: lesson in economic reality by making the next election about
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Speaker 2: the government's economic incompetence, not just cost of living. Because
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Speaker 2: the cost of living election is about who can give
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Speaker 2: the biggest handout, and if that's the test, Labor will
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Speaker 2: always win it because they are addicted, they are shameless
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Speaker 2: about waste and spending. For the first time in a
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Speaker 2: long while, I feel there's real fight now in the
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Speaker 2: coalition dog first the removal of Susan Lee and now
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Speaker 2: the elevation of a warrior like Matt Canavan. Finally, finally,
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Speaker 2: we might see a bad government put under some sort
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Speaker 2: of pressure. Because while a lot of Polster focus has
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Speaker 2: been on the poor Liberal numbers, it's fair enough Labor
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Speaker 2: Labour's primary is also in trouble with Canavan's win. I
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Speaker 2: don't know who's more worried Tonight, Chris Bowen, Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 2: perhaps even the Prime Minister. Maybe let's hope it's all
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Speaker 2: three now an issue from the past that I can't
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Speaker 2: let slide. Tonight give them my warnings at the time
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Speaker 2: have all sadly come to pass, Victoria's COVID disgrace and
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews's catastrophic miss handley of hotel quarantine. I mean,
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Speaker 2: who will ever forget the lies and the cover ups.
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Speaker 4: Don't specifically recall.
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Speaker 3: I can't recall. I presume I did.
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Speaker 5: I don't recall the conversation, and I have.
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Speaker 3: Some memory, but not for memory.
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Speaker 5: I don't recall specifically, not to my recollection.
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Speaker 3: I have no recollection of that.
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Speaker 4: I can't specifically recall.
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Speaker 2: I mean to give me a break PTSD and watching
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Speaker 2: all of that again, I'm sure you have it at home.
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Speaker 2: At the time, thirty million dollars was spent on cowboy
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Speaker 2: operators running hotel quarantine, while in every other state it
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Speaker 2: was the army and the police. Now, nine after night,
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Speaker 2: I sat here and I revealed allegations of corruption, secret payments,
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Speaker 2: dodgy deals, jobs for mates, as over one thousand Victorians
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Speaker 2: lost their lives due to the government's epic incompetence. At
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Speaker 2: the time, I said there would be a massive class
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Speaker 2: action to come out of all of this, and today
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Speaker 2: that's what's come to pass with Andrews protege a just
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Speaker 2: sent to Allen reportedly settling a negligence claim over Labour's
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Speaker 2: misconduct of hotel quarantine for the sum of a massive
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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. That's fifty million dollars of taxpayers money
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Speaker 2: in the debt laden state of Victoria that will now
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Speaker 2: be paid out to a big international law firm in
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Speaker 2: order to stop Daniel Andrew's failures being openly aired in court,
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Speaker 2: including testimony from Daniel Andrews. I did my best to
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Speaker 2: get to the truth.
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Speaker 3: It is one more question from me, just one more
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Speaker 3: question from me, for the avoidance of doubt.
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Speaker 2: Are you, Chris Eccles, and indeed your chief of staff
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Speaker 2: prepared to provide your outgoing calls.
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Speaker 7: I don't agree with the nation that somehow you and
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Speaker 7: your network have an ability to put something to me
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Speaker 7: and make a request of me, but the Board of
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Speaker 7: Inquiry doesn't.
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Speaker 4: The board has that power.
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Speaker 3: Why did it take so long to shut down seat
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Speaker 3: to meats? How does the one hand not talk to
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Speaker 3: the other hand.
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Speaker 1: I'll have to come back to you on exactly what
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Speaker 1: you're referring to, because I haven't got that information in
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Speaker 1: front of me.
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Speaker 2: That was the Friday, and on the Monday, that man
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Speaker 2: in question, Chris Eccles, then the head of the Premier's department,
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Speaker 2: a premier and cabinet resigned. Now in the end, the
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Speaker 2: judicial inquiry, the Coat inquiry, came to the lame conclusion
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Speaker 2: that no one was really to blame to the extent
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Speaker 2: that there'd been in any fault at all. The inquiry
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Speaker 2: said it was the whole of the Health department and
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Speaker 2: that somehow the decision to hire dodgy private contractors was
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Speaker 2: just a quote creeping assumption.
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Speaker 3: Now, had this case.
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Speaker 2: Come to court, all those decision makers, all those MP's,
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Speaker 2: the Premier, the ministers, the public servants, everyone from Daniel
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Speaker 2: Andrews down would have been subject to testimony under roath,
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Speaker 2: to cross examination before a judge who would not have
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Speaker 2: been constrained by the terms of reference of the COT inquiry. Finally,
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Speaker 2: the long suffering people of Victoria might have had some answers,
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Speaker 2: the transparency they deserve around what was, for so many
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Speaker 2: of us the worst two.
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Speaker 3: Years of our lives. But not now.
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Speaker 2: This fifty million dollar payout will protect Andrews, his cronies,
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Speaker 2: his ministers, and all those public servants. It will keep
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Speaker 2: his secrets, It'll keep him out of the witness box. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: this is more than a scandal. It is a grace
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Speaker 2: on top of everything else. The way over budget and
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Speaker 2: over scheduled projects, the bloated and politicized public service, the
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Speaker 2: lawyer ex fiasco, Bye boy, that scandal, IVAC reports too,
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Speaker 2: that somehow never get released. It's yet another reason why
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Speaker 2: this stinking, rotten labor government in Victoria deserves to be
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Speaker 2: buried at the election come November. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Camberdow for the headlines. We're joined now by our
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Speaker 2: political reporter and Julia Bradley.
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Speaker 8: Good Evening. Queensland Senator Matt Canavan has been elected the
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Speaker 8: new leader of the National Party following the resignation of
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Speaker 8: David Little Proud. The firebrand senator and vocal critic of
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Speaker 8: Net zero will serve alongside Victorian MP Darren Chester, who
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Speaker 8: will be his deputy.
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Speaker 1: We need to have more Australia everything. We need to
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Speaker 1: manifest a hyper Australia here. We need to go hyper
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Speaker 1: Australia for our country.
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Speaker 8: One Nation has claimed credit for his elevation support for
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Speaker 8: the minor party Surgers with the addition of Canavan's mentor
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Speaker 8: Barnaby Joyce. His first big test will be a by
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Speaker 8: election in the New South Wales seat of Farah.
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Speaker 1: I worry about where Pauline is. It would take this
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Speaker 1: country to an area of more division.
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Speaker 8: Billionaire mining magnate Clive Palmer will make another tilted federal
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Speaker 8: politics as his United Australia Party gears up for its
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Speaker 8: biggest ever campaign.
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Speaker 9: Well, I've lost a lot of weight. Can't you see that?
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Speaker 9: I've been on a kito diet. I've been running right.
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Speaker 9: I've been reinvigorated by not having too much sugar and
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Speaker 9: too much carbohydrates.
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Speaker 8: Palmer will run for the Gold Coast seat of Fatten
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Speaker 8: at the twenty twenty eight election. The Foreign Minister has
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Speaker 8: defended Australia's military assistance to the United Arab Emirates while
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Speaker 8: calling for Australians living in the Middle East to return home.
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Speaker 8: The Australian embassy in Tel Aviv has been closed because
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Speaker 8: of security concerns.
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Speaker 10: Our missions in Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Tel Aviv have
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Speaker 10: all had to physically close in the last week. We
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Speaker 10: urge Australians to follow advice on Smart Traveler, including where
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Speaker 10: we recommend not attending these missions or surrounding areas.
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Speaker 2: Clive Palmer, I can promise my audience I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to waste any time talking about him tonight. I hope
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Speaker 2: he doesn't even get passed go. I hope no one
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Speaker 2: votes for him. Let's leave him out of the equation.
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Speaker 2: No free plugs from me, but lots of other things
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Speaker 2: to talk about. Let's bring in Sky News political contributor
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Speaker 2: Chris Yellman. Chris, We're going to start with a National
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Speaker 2: party leadership Canavan, of course, dogged in his takedown of
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Speaker 2: net zero and dogged in his pursuit of an opposition
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Speaker 2: voice to the voice. And now, of course he's the leader.
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Speaker 2: He's got one of the biggest megaphones in Canberra, and
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Speaker 2: I think this spell's trouble. Trouble for Chris Bowen, of course,
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Speaker 2: but I.
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Speaker 3: Think we're going to get a reality.
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Speaker 2: Check on Australia's energy transition and where we are in
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Speaker 2: the world broadly speaking in terms of reliable, affordable power.
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Speaker 3: And it's not before time.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely in Matt Canavan Nailer's to day, what should an
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Speaker 11: energy system be about delivering reliable, affordable power. Affordability is
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Speaker 11: what counts first, and then reliability and a long way
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Speaker 11: last comes whether or not you can cut carbon emissions
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Speaker 11: from the system. Looks that then, is highly intelligent, highly
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Speaker 11: articulate and deeply committed, which makes him a danger to
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Speaker 11: everyone in politics. He has a deep understanding of these
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Speaker 11: issues and I think that's sometimes lost. He can argue
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Speaker 11: the case because he has the facts at his command
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Speaker 11: and he's capable of assembling them against anyone who challenges him,
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Speaker 11: and we saw that at his press conference today. He
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Speaker 11: can boil down the complex into the simple. And you
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Speaker 11: know better than anyone, Peter, the art of politics is
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Speaker 11: the art of communication. You need to be able to
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Speaker 11: convince an audience of your argument, and he can do that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly think it's a game changer. Chris.
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Speaker 2: I watched him closely with the gallery. He goes total
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Speaker 2: to with anyone. He's not scared of a question, he's
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Speaker 2: not scared of getting into the detail.
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Speaker 3: He corrects them. He reads reports.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so many of the people I speak to
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Speaker 2: read the first couple of pages of the em this
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Speaker 2: is the explanatory memoranda for people at home at a
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Speaker 2: company's legislation. He actually reads the legislation, and this is
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Speaker 2: what brings so many of them unstuck.
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Speaker 11: If you watch him in committees, and that's a great
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Speaker 11: guide to whether or not there is a politician has
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Speaker 11: any sense of what they're talking about. He is a
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Speaker 11: really effective weapon in committees because he's actually very polite
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Speaker 11: in the way that he goes about his business. He
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Speaker 11: doesn't treat the people that he's questioning rudely, but he
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Speaker 11: has the facts that his command and they clearly know it.
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Speaker 11: You can see people sweating when Matt Canavan actually takes
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Speaker 11: the microphone, so yeah, I'm really looking forward to what
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Speaker 11: happens next. And the other thing about him is clarity.
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Speaker 11: The problem with so many politicians have is they're unable
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Speaker 11: to actually define what they believe in and then articulate it,
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Speaker 11: and he can do that.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that report in the Nightly They say
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Speaker 2: that the Australians who were serving on the USS Charlotte,
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Speaker 2: this is the submarine, the US submarine that sank the
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Speaker 2: Iranian ship a couple of days ago, that they were
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Speaker 2: ordered back to their bunks when the operation unfolded. Now,
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Speaker 2: not a lot of detail around who made the order,
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Speaker 2: but presumably that's so the Australian government can wash its
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Speaker 2: hands of anything that might be warlike. Now, if this
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Speaker 2: report is accurate, Chris, it is humiliating for Australia, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: It is absolutely humiliating. And the reporter who did it
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Speaker 11: was Andrew Green. It's one of the best defense reporters
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Speaker 11: in the country. He put questions today to Pat Conroy,
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Speaker 11: who did not deny any of this. The only thing
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Speaker 11: he didn't say it was a correct characterization is that
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Speaker 11: they went to their bunks and pulled their doners up
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Speaker 11: over their head. Were they ordered to do that? Because
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Speaker 11: that is essentially a tremendous metaphor for the way that
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Speaker 11: Australia conducts itself on so many things. When it comes
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Speaker 11: to dealing with the real world of international politics. We
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Speaker 11: keep citing things like international law which doesn't actually have
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Speaker 11: a police force to enforce it. So you have to
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Speaker 11: deal with the world as it is, not as you
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Speaker 11: would wish it to be. And I really feel for
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Speaker 11: those sailors. Imagine now they're stuck under the water with
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Speaker 11: their cohorts from America now maybe for a month or so,
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Speaker 11: and how do you face those people every single day
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Speaker 11: when you have to go and eat with them. And
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Speaker 11: it wasn't their call to do this. This had to
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Speaker 11: come up from high up in the Australian government and
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Speaker 11: is an absolute indictment of the way that we go
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Speaker 11: about our business.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, we're going to get our own submarines in time,
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Speaker 2: but certainly before that, going to get these Virginia Class
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Speaker 2: out of the United States, and we're going to have
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Speaker 2: the movement of our sub mariners across the various US
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Speaker 2: platforms for training and British platforms as well. So we're
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Speaker 2: going to have our people in these submarines. Some marines
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Speaker 2: by their very nature offensive military. They're designed to cause damage,
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Speaker 2: and they're designed to have a forward posture. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what's the point of even getting these subs if our
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Speaker 2: sub mariners are going to be told by our government
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Speaker 2: to basically hide under the bed and hope that war
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Speaker 2: doesn't come their way.
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Speaker 11: Well, Peter, this is the thing. This is a training
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Speaker 11: mission for those sub mariners. And this is the first
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Speaker 11: time that a US submarine has fired a torpedo since
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Speaker 11: the Second World War.
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Speaker 3: It might be the.
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Speaker 11: Last time, let's hope, for a long time. Don't you
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Speaker 11: think that you'd want some Australian observers see how that
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Speaker 11: actually takes place, the way that the crew goes about that.
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Speaker 11: What you learn from that kind of experience, you're not
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Speaker 11: going to learn anything. Hide under your doner in the bed.
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Speaker 11: And the other thing that's going to happen with this
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Speaker 11: is the Americans have to assess whether or not we
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Speaker 11: get those Virginia class submarines. They need those things for
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Speaker 11: their defense. If they believe that they'll be deployed in
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Speaker 11: unison with the Americans working with the Americans, then I
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Speaker 11: think they'll look kindly on it. But if they think
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Speaker 11: that we'll be hiding under a DONA when they ask
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Speaker 11: for a Virginia class submarine, well how do you think
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Speaker 11: that'll go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I want to make it clear to you.
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Speaker 2: I've got a brother who wore a uniform and a grandfather.
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Speaker 2: I am not passing any comment here on the sub mariners.
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Speaker 2: I bet they wanted to be absolutely in the thick
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Speaker 2: of it. My criticisms leveled towards the government and maybe
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Speaker 2: the upward brass at Russell, the defense establishment in Canberra
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Speaker 2: who made this decision. It's not about sub mariners. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to your doco tonight and John Howard.
19:28
Speaker 4: Can I join you on that?
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Speaker 11: By the way, time because my father was a soldier.
19:31
Speaker 11: My father was a soldier for thirty three years, so
19:33
Speaker 11: you know he went from being a private to being
19:35
Speaker 11: a major in the Australian Army. I know the way
19:37
Speaker 11: the Australian Defense Force works and the people in it,
19:39
Speaker 11: and I have the ultimate respect for them. This came
19:42
Speaker 11: from above.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
19:44
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Your doco's on in about an hour or so.
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Speaker 2: The bits I've seen, Chris, and I can't wait to
19:50
Speaker 2: see the whole thing. The bits I've seen are fascinating,
19:53
Speaker 2: but I picked up something that former treasure of Peter
19:55
Speaker 2: Costello had to say to you have listened.
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Speaker 7: It was it was a very government and he was
20:03
Speaker 7: a very good leader. But leadership is also about knowing
20:06
Speaker 7: when to go as knowing when to stay, and that's
20:13
Speaker 7: why it ended badly as it did in two thousand
20:16
Speaker 7: and seven.
20:18
Speaker 2: So was he suggesting there that he could have beaten
20:21
Speaker 2: Kevin oh seven.
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Speaker 11: Now, in fact, when it goes on in that documentary,
20:26
Speaker 11: you'll find that he thinks that by the time that
20:28
Speaker 11: we got to that point in two thousand and seven,
20:30
Speaker 11: that he wouldn't have won if he had been leader.
20:32
Speaker 11: He did urge John Howard to leave, others urged him
20:34
Speaker 11: to lead. John Howard decided to stay. And the thing
20:36
Speaker 11: to remember is that Peter Costello never had the numbers
20:39
Speaker 11: to challenge John Howard. People who were urging him to
20:42
Speaker 11: blow up the show just want a division within the
20:45
Speaker 11: Liberal Party and Costello didn't really want that. I think
20:47
Speaker 11: the thing to take out of all this is some
20:49
Speaker 11: sort of redemption, and we'll attempt to do that in
20:51
Speaker 11: the documentary Tonight of the Relationship between John Howard and
20:54
Speaker 11: Peter cost eleven and Alexander Downer. We had the Prime Minister,
20:58
Speaker 11: the Foreign Minister and Treasurer serve for eleven years. It
21:02
Speaker 11: was extraordinary stability. They were together on most of the
21:05
Speaker 11: big issues and because of that they gave Australia that
21:09
Speaker 11: enormous benefit that benefited generations after them of having a
21:13
Speaker 11: budget in balance and no net debt. And the starting
21:17
Speaker 11: point for justice in any government is that.
21:22
Speaker 2: I might also add, because I had ten years in
21:24
Speaker 2: the Howard government. They all and there were others like Wreath,
21:28
Speaker 2: you know, a terrific front bench mentioned and more. They
21:32
Speaker 2: put the party ahead of individual advancement and that was
21:36
Speaker 2: clearly the case there with Costello. He didn't move on
21:38
Speaker 2: Howard unlike all those Liberal leaders that followed him.
21:41
Speaker 3: It was a festival of knives.
21:44
Speaker 2: There still is, and certainly not in those days, and
21:46
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're missing.
21:47
Speaker 3: Chris. Thank you.
21:48
Speaker 2: We'll all be watching your program at seven point thirty
21:51
Speaker 2: pm tonight. All right, let's go back to the war
21:53
Speaker 2: with Iran as it continues to expand. Johny now the
21:56
Speaker 2: Australians Foreign edders and Greg Shirt and Greg we'll get
21:59
Speaker 2: to the.
21:59
Speaker 3: Detail the war. I want a quick comment from you.
22:02
Speaker 2: About the Iranian women's football team. I'm rightly critical, I
22:06
Speaker 2: think as you are of some of the work, appalling
22:09
Speaker 2: work to date of Tony Burke in the.
22:11
Speaker 3: Home Affairs job.
22:12
Speaker 2: But I think the government has managed this terrific choice
22:17
Speaker 2: for the women. But I think they have managed what
22:19
Speaker 2: has been a difficult couple of days as best they could.
22:22
Speaker 3: What's your thought, Well, Peter, great to be with you.
22:28
Speaker 5: I know, I think you're right. The government has done
22:30
Speaker 5: the right thing here. Now, if it had not done
22:32
Speaker 5: the right thing, that would have been infamous. That would
22:35
Speaker 5: have been infamous. But you know, vulnerable women athletes bravely
22:43
Speaker 5: declining to sing the anthem to a murderous, putrid government
22:48
Speaker 5: facing terrible fate when they get home. Probably, like the
22:53
Speaker 5: rest of us, they thought the regime would collapse more quickly.
22:57
Speaker 5: Maybe that influenced their decision when they they didn't sing
23:00
Speaker 5: the anthem. But yes, the government has handled this pretty well.
23:04
Speaker 5: Their early statements that seem to be insensitive were obviously
23:08
Speaker 5: cloaking what was going on behind the scenes. They tried
23:12
Speaker 5: to not compromise the women who did go home. They
23:16
Speaker 5: tried to respect their choice and they offered them sanctuary.
23:19
Speaker 5: So absolutely, this is who we are. This is Australia.
23:22
Speaker 5: We stand with vulnerable, with people against tyranny.
23:26
Speaker 3: I do think.
23:27
Speaker 2: Public pressure put the government on notice that they needed
23:30
Speaker 2: to do more than initially signaled by Matt Fisselwait on Sunday.
23:35
Speaker 2: Let's go now, though, to the nuts and bolts of
23:37
Speaker 2: the war. The Iranians say they're not interested in cease fire.
23:41
Speaker 2: The President seemed to call it all done and dusted yesterday,
23:44
Speaker 2: but the Secretary of Warpet Hegsav has warned that the
23:47
Speaker 2: worst is still yet to come. I'm interested in your
23:51
Speaker 2: assessment where we are actually in terms of the United
23:54
Speaker 2: States positioning on what success looks like and when they
23:58
Speaker 2: call it over, but also Iran's fighting capacity. I mean,
24:02
Speaker 2: how wounded are they, How much munitions do you think?
24:05
Speaker 2: How much capacity do you think they've got.
24:07
Speaker 3: Left, Greg.
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Speaker 5: Peter. Those are great questions. They're very hard to know.
24:14
Speaker 5: It's very hard to know either how much runway Trump
24:17
Speaker 5: has got or how much runway the Iranians have got.
24:20
Speaker 5: Seems to me that the combination of the bond markets,
24:23
Speaker 5: to stock markets and the oil prices spooped Trump a
24:26
Speaker 5: day or two ago, and that's why he said, look,
24:28
Speaker 5: it's nearly all over.
24:29
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
24:29
Speaker 5: It will be gone in a few days. So the
24:32
Speaker 5: market's restabilized. It's not a popular war at home. He
24:36
Speaker 5: hasn't got much domestic support for it. So I think
24:39
Speaker 5: there's a pretty hard limit on how far how long
24:42
Speaker 5: Trump goes for Iran is tremendously degraded in its capacities,
24:46
Speaker 5: but it's still firing missiles. It's got this decentralized decision
24:51
Speaker 5: making process. It's firing fewer missiles than before. It seems
24:56
Speaker 5: to have lots and lots of drones. It's firing fewer
24:58
Speaker 5: drones than before. There's very good speculation the Russians have
25:02
Speaker 5: helped it with targeting, and it has hit a number
25:05
Speaker 5: of American radars in the region, as well as really
25:10
Speaker 5: harming the global oil trade and natural gas trade. Now,
25:16
Speaker 5: if Iran can keep firing, they don't care how many
25:19
Speaker 5: of their people are killed or how much of a
25:23
Speaker 5: hit they take to their economy. They are a suicidal,
25:29
Speaker 5: murderous regime of fanatics. But if they can keep firing,
25:34
Speaker 5: they keep imposing a cost. I mean, really, the Americans
25:38
Speaker 5: need to clear the Strait of Hormus and silence the
25:40
Speaker 5: Iranian guns in order, in my view, to really claim
25:44
Speaker 5: a decisive victory.
25:46
Speaker 2: Well, they're blown up about a dozen mind laying boats
25:49
Speaker 2: near that Holmers straight. I mean, how quickly do you
25:53
Speaker 2: think or what does that mean in terms of opening
25:55
Speaker 2: it up.
25:58
Speaker 5: Well, that's a good thing. The Americans. Good the Americans
26:00
Speaker 5: have done that. But it's very easy to on lay minds.
26:02
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the many countless defense derelictions in
26:05
Speaker 5: Australia is that we don't have smart minds to lay ourselves,
26:10
Speaker 5: and we don't have d mining capabilities.
26:12
Speaker 4: But really, any boat.
26:13
Speaker 5: Can lay a mine. You can take out a dinghy,
26:16
Speaker 5: and the Iranians are very good at using small boats
26:20
Speaker 5: to achieve big results. Now Trump has threatened them with
26:25
Speaker 5: the most severe threats possible if they succeed in laying
26:28
Speaker 5: any minds. But they've effectively closed the Strait of hor
26:31
Speaker 5: moves anyway, because you know, oil companies and ships and
26:35
Speaker 5: tankers and so are and they're just not game to
26:37
Speaker 5: go down there. The insurance costs are here, he is,
26:40
Speaker 5: and the dangers are too great. Now, you know, the
26:44
Speaker 5: Americans can you know? Trump is a genius at just
26:47
Speaker 5: declaring victory and leaving, and he could do that tomorrow.
26:50
Speaker 5: But the Iranians, you know, and no one is more
26:54
Speaker 5: hostile to them than I am. But they have also
26:57
Speaker 5: exercised their deterrence in this con They've shown they can
27:02
Speaker 5: massive disruption on global oil trade and the rest. If
27:06
Speaker 5: they survive this attack and reconstitute themselves, then this will
27:12
Speaker 5: be a tremendous, sobering deterrent to any future president who
27:18
Speaker 5: thinks they need to mow the lawn again, because the
27:21
Speaker 5: Iranians can cause chaos if they want to.
27:27
Speaker 2: Doesn't that just prove o Greek and all the comments
27:30
Speaker 2: you make about the type of individuals that are running
27:33
Speaker 2: the Iranian state, Doesn't this just prove that we have
27:36
Speaker 2: to finish the job. And doesn't this make countries like
27:39
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and Australia look like two bit players
27:42
Speaker 2: on the world stage when this is a civilizational moment
27:46
Speaker 2: that we're all standing back at. Our Prime Minister goes
27:49
Speaker 2: to the telector almost daily it pains to say that
27:52
Speaker 2: nothing we are doing is an offensive posture, that we're
27:55
Speaker 2: doing nothing that could possibly be warlike.
27:57
Speaker 3: I mean, even the.
27:58
Speaker 2: Reports I just discussed then with Christian women about our
28:00
Speaker 2: sub mariners being sent to their bunks. I mean, surely
28:04
Speaker 2: this is where we need strength, not weakness.
28:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, Peter that I make
28:12
Speaker 5: two very quick comments about it. First of all, Trump
28:15
Speaker 5: deserves a lot of credit for having the guts to
28:17
Speaker 5: do these things, but he didn't prepare the American people,
28:20
Speaker 5: and he didn't secure domestic support. You know, Seth Brogan
28:24
Speaker 5: and a lot of his key backers are dead against
28:27
Speaker 5: this war. So he also bears blame because America is
28:32
Speaker 5: not now filled with the resolve that needs to sustain
28:36
Speaker 5: this battle through the hard times of high oil prices
28:39
Speaker 5: and so forth. But your comments about Britain and Australia
28:41
Speaker 5: are quite right. I actually think this matter with the
28:44
Speaker 5: sub mariners is much more serious and much worse than
28:47
Speaker 5: other commentators are assessing it. I wrote a front page
28:50
Speaker 5: piece about it earlier this week.
28:52
Speaker 3: We are not just.
28:53
Speaker 5: On those submarines in a training exercise we decided about
28:58
Speaker 5: twenty years ago under the Howard Gunn and I believe
29:00
Speaker 5: that when we deployed soldiers with the Brits and the Americans,
29:05
Speaker 5: they could go into operations. We don't do this with
29:07
Speaker 5: anyone else, if we're on a training mission with the
29:10
Speaker 5: Indonesians or the Italians, they don't go into operations with
29:14
Speaker 5: those forces. But we are meant to eventually have hundreds
29:18
Speaker 5: of Australian sailors on the American Nuclear Submarine Force. Now,
29:22
Speaker 5: if our view is that they're not to participate in combat,
29:27
Speaker 5: then the Americans will have to rethink. Eventually, the hardheads
29:31
Speaker 5: in the American Navy will say, well, what's the point
29:33
Speaker 5: of having Australians on our boats if they're not going
29:36
Speaker 5: to fight? And you know, I think actually this astonishing
29:41
Speaker 5: move to you know, I said, as a joke in
29:45
Speaker 5: my column, did they send them to the mess room
29:48
Speaker 5: and they all had to have a group hug and
29:49
Speaker 5: sinkombay are actually worse they send them to their bunks. Now,
29:54
Speaker 5: I really think this imperils the entire project of naval
30:00
Speaker 5: cooperation because if we are not an ally, And it's
30:03
Speaker 5: also grossly hypocritical because Pine Gap and Northwest Cape are
30:07
Speaker 5: certainly participating in this conflict every day every day, And
30:13
Speaker 5: I think this is both confused and cowardly. And in
30:17
Speaker 5: the end, the hardheads in the American Navy will say, well,
30:20
Speaker 5: guess what the Ausies used to be people you could.
30:23
Speaker 3: Count on to fight. They're not like that anymore.
30:26
Speaker 5: And I think that's quite ominous for us in the
30:28
Speaker 5: medium term.
30:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, how to wreck a proud military history for this
30:34
Speaker 2: country in a matter of weeks under this Prime Minister.
30:37
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Greek thank you all?
30:39
Speaker 12: Right?
30:39
Speaker 3: After the break?
30:40
Speaker 2: The lefty liberals, the liberals, moderates they want to call themselves,
30:43
Speaker 2: I call them lefties. Are they going to be able
30:45
Speaker 2: to play nice with Matt canavang We'll see, won't we
30:48
Speaker 2: And more on that COVID class action out of Victoria,
30:51
Speaker 2: all the lies in duplicity of Daniel Andrews now being
30:55
Speaker 2: covered up. Coming up concerns about a new government guidance
31:03
Speaker 2: to the UK that the government says will help to
31:06
Speaker 2: better identify hate speech targeting Muslims.
31:09
Speaker 3: But what will it.
31:10
Speaker 2: Mean for free speech? And what about Labour's plans to
31:13
Speaker 2: impose this on Australians. We'll get into that in a moment,
31:16
Speaker 2: but let's go to the ascension of Matt Canavan, the
31:19
Speaker 2: new leader of the National Party, following yesterday's shock resignation
31:22
Speaker 2: of David Little Proud. He had discussed it in more
31:25
Speaker 2: my panel Sky News host Jamie Rodgers. Here here's she's
31:28
Speaker 2: the host now. I watched it on Sunday night. Terrific show.
31:31
Speaker 2: Jamie and Liberal MP Tony Passen. Welcome to you both. Now, Tony,
31:35
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but as soon as I
31:36
Speaker 2: named that Canavan had won this morning, it was like
31:40
Speaker 2: little proud Who I mean, it really feels to me
31:44
Speaker 2: like the Nats and you and the Libs broad a
31:46
Speaker 2: coalition that you are back in the game now.
31:51
Speaker 6: Well, I feel like we're on the same page all
31:54
Speaker 6: of a sudden. And I know that because I was
31:56
Speaker 6: in the middle of something here in the House and
31:59
Speaker 6: my finally with Liberal Party members from my own electorate
32:03
Speaker 6: sending congratulations through me to Matt Canavan. Previously, they'd been
32:08
Speaker 6: texting me telling me that they were hoping, fingers crossed
32:12
Speaker 6: that Matt would get it. The reality is, Peter, and
32:15
Speaker 6: I think all of your viewers know this. Matt has
32:18
Speaker 6: been a thought leader for the National Party for a
32:20
Speaker 6: very long time now, and I'm very pleased, beyond excited
32:24
Speaker 6: to see him in this new leadership role. And I
32:28
Speaker 6: think he and Angus Taylor, quite frankly, will make a
32:31
Speaker 6: fantastic team. Who from opposition will build a pathway for
32:37
Speaker 6: us to put real pressure on a government that I
32:40
Speaker 6: think is and needs to be under pressure.
32:44
Speaker 2: And look, I think he adds with his economics background,
32:46
Speaker 2: he adds to your economic clout right across the leadership.
32:50
Speaker 2: But let's go to the games at the gallery were
32:53
Speaker 2: playing straight away, Jamie trying to scare up a scare
32:56
Speaker 2: campaign by the whole Teer liberated Matt Canavan is going
33:01
Speaker 2: to be terrible. He won't retail sort of scenario.
33:04
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
33:05
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think the Australian people think
33:08
Speaker 1: in these types of labels here we often get labeled
33:13
Speaker 1: as left or right. I just want to do what
33:15
Speaker 1: is right. They just understand that things are getting worse
33:18
Speaker 1: in this country. Things are getting harder, Their bills are
33:20
Speaker 1: getting higher. It's harder to pay for just a trolley
33:23
Speaker 1: full of groceries at the shops. They're the things I'm
33:25
Speaker 1: focused on.
33:27
Speaker 2: Are you ran in one of those till seats, Jamie,
33:29
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts?
33:31
Speaker 3: Well?
33:31
Speaker 12: Matt was spot on that no one outside of the
33:34
Speaker 12: political bubble ever asks are you left? Are you right?
33:38
Speaker 12: As you mentioned I ran in Maringa, I dor knocked
33:41
Speaker 12: ten thousand houses and spoke to umpteen thousand voters out
33:44
Speaker 12: on the street, and not once did anyone ever ask
33:47
Speaker 12: me are you a conservative or you're a moderate. All
33:50
Speaker 12: they care about is that their electorate is going to
33:52
Speaker 12: be well represented and someone's going to do a good job.
33:55
Speaker 12: I thought that Matt was incredibly impressive in his press conference,
33:58
Speaker 12: which he called only thirty minutes after being elected as
34:01
Speaker 12: National's leader. And he's certainly called out a few things there,
34:04
Speaker 12: but as he said, he just wants to do what
34:06
Speaker 12: is right and I think he's going to be an
34:08
Speaker 12: outstanding leader. We know where he stands, and as Tony mentioned,
34:12
Speaker 12: he's been behind a lot of the policy making ideas.
34:16
Speaker 12: He's an economist that he has worked previously with the
34:18
Speaker 12: Productivity Commission, so he comes with that wealth of experience.
34:22
Speaker 12: But I think the main thing as well Peter, is
34:25
Speaker 12: with everyone knowing where he stands, what he believes in,
34:27
Speaker 12: and he hasn't shied away from that, and he's very
34:30
Speaker 12: very good at articulating his case. So I think he's
34:32
Speaker 12: going to be a real standout. But it's going to
34:34
Speaker 12: be interesting watching him take on Pauline Hanson in the Senate.
34:38
Speaker 12: So he might have some more eyeballs watching the Senate
34:41
Speaker 12: a little bit more closely than what we traditionally have.
34:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look at humble break from me.
34:46
Speaker 2: I was the first person who got him into politics.
34:48
Speaker 2: I hired him to work in the Tony Abbit office,
34:50
Speaker 2: sat Ol, where he's gone. I'm really proud of him today.
34:53
Speaker 2: It's been fantastic, Hey, fuel crisis. I want to look
34:56
Speaker 2: at particularly regional and rule Australia, Tony. I know you
34:59
Speaker 2: represent a big part of South Australia.
35:03
Speaker 3: Not just farmers.
35:03
Speaker 2: I think people are forgetting the whole supply trainer, the
35:07
Speaker 2: truckers who take the livestock to the avatar and beyond
35:10
Speaker 2: to the markets and things like that. Can you tell
35:13
Speaker 2: us what's really happening on the ground in and around
35:15
Speaker 2: the areas that you represent. But what sort of action
35:19
Speaker 2: do you want to see from the government.
35:23
Speaker 6: Well, thanks for the invitation to share the plight of
35:25
Speaker 6: real Australians out in regional communities.
35:28
Speaker 4: Peter.
35:29
Speaker 6: As early as sad day, I was receiving phone calls
35:32
Speaker 6: from farmers who are just about to go seating. And
35:36
Speaker 6: this might shock some of your viewers, but they put
35:39
Speaker 6: in regularly orders for thirty and fifty thousand liters of
35:43
Speaker 6: diesel fuel before they start that exercise, and they try
35:46
Speaker 6: to do that as close to seating time as possible.
35:49
Speaker 6: It's a huge expense, and they were simply being told, look, sorry,
35:52
Speaker 6: there's none available. Fast forward to Sunday and I'm traveling
35:57
Speaker 6: back to Canberra. I pull into a service station at
36:00
Speaker 6: Narracourt with.
36:01
Speaker 3: Not a lot of fuel on board.
36:03
Speaker 6: I only to find out there's no diesel fuel and
36:05
Speaker 6: so I drove on fumes to Keith, very nearly didn't
36:08
Speaker 6: get to Canberra, missing my flight, etc. I then am
36:13
Speaker 6: inundated by people telling me that bowsers are locked up,
36:16
Speaker 6: there is no fuel. Independent fuel providers in particular scene
36:21
Speaker 6: under pressure. And what I think you understand, I hope
36:25
Speaker 6: more people understand, is this country runs on diesel. The
36:28
Speaker 6: productive elements of our economy rely heavily on diesel, and
36:33
Speaker 6: fuel security is of course national security and its economic security.
36:37
Speaker 6: And what my constituents want to hear right now is
36:41
Speaker 6: that everything will be okay. The problem they've got is
36:46
Speaker 6: the spokesperson for that is Chris Bowen, the person who
36:49
Speaker 6: told us you'd get two hundred and seventy five dollars
36:51
Speaker 6: off your electricity bill. They told us our electricity bills
36:54
Speaker 6: would come down. Nobody trusts him and so that's driving
36:57
Speaker 6: the panic buying, and the panic buy is resulting in
37:01
Speaker 6: people who actually need to full point in time aren't
37:04
Speaker 6: getting it. So what we need right now is a
37:06
Speaker 6: trusted voice getting up and saying.
37:11
Speaker 4: This issue will be resolved.
37:13
Speaker 6: We need the Minister and the Prime Minister to get
37:18
Speaker 6: in touch with industry, particularly the distributors, to make sure
37:22
Speaker 6: those areas that aren't being serviced get serviced. I'm very
37:25
Speaker 6: worried that the cities will get sorted out, the country
37:27
Speaker 6: will be left behind. We can't allow that to happen.
37:31
Speaker 6: And Peter, we've set the architecture when there was an
37:34
Speaker 6: issue in this country around ad Blue, we created a
37:37
Speaker 6: mechanism to ensure that there was complete transparency almost point
37:41
Speaker 6: in time, week by week. And the Minister needs to
37:43
Speaker 6: do that hard work. And I fear that he's distracted
37:47
Speaker 6: by being ill Presidente of cop or whatever the title is,
37:50
Speaker 6: or whatever his ambition is, and not worried about my
37:54
Speaker 6: farmers who are looking at parched seed beds getting dryer
38:00
Speaker 6: and drive. They've had the rain. They want to get
38:01
Speaker 6: out there, they want to get the tractors moving, but
38:04
Speaker 6: there's no diesel in the tanks. I want him focused
38:06
Speaker 6: on that, not on some of the international title that
38:09
Speaker 6: he might might enjoy.
38:12
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, of course, thirty years in politics has
38:15
Speaker 2: only really ever been the Infrastructure and Transport minister in
38:17
Speaker 2: all of those thirty years. He should take it off
38:20
Speaker 2: Bowen's desk, put on his own desk. Stop going out
38:23
Speaker 2: to Ramadan night festivals as he was over the weekend.
38:26
Speaker 2: Stop going out to events, stop sort of you know,
38:29
Speaker 2: swamming around and doing stuff. Sit behind his bloody desk
38:32
Speaker 2: and take this on personally until we get out of
38:35
Speaker 2: this crisis. Just a quick one, Jamie. I was so
38:39
Speaker 2: annoyed to read today there's a fifty million dollar payout.
38:43
Speaker 2: This is a class action about hotel quarantine and it's
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Speaker 2: designed so that Daniel Andrews and all his cronies will
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Speaker 2: not have to face testimony in court.
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Speaker 3: I think this is a scandal.
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Speaker 12: Yes, spot on, Peter, and you and every Victoria and
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Speaker 12: should feel really angry and disappointed by this outcome. They
39:03
Speaker 12: have decided that Alan government have paid fifty million dollars
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Speaker 12: to settle out of court, which then means that no
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Speaker 12: one is held to account, there's no transparency and you're
39:13
Speaker 12: all left without answers. But also it's fifty million dollars
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Speaker 12: of taxpayer funded money. Peter in a state that is
39:19
Speaker 12: going broke already. You're paying a million dollars in interest
39:23
Speaker 12: payments every single hour, and thirty percent of this fifty
39:27
Speaker 12: million dollar lawsuit is going to go to an international
39:30
Speaker 12: law firm as part of their compensation. So it's just
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Speaker 12: so disappointing that he gets off scot free. And aren't
39:36
Speaker 12: they still building a statue of Premier Daniel Andrews, the
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Speaker 12: former premier. Isn't that still going up in the CBD.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it'll just be this constant reminder to you
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Speaker 12: all of the awful situation you all faced, which was
39:48
Speaker 12: the world's worst lockdown for COVID.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't like statue toppling, but that we won, I
39:54
Speaker 2: think that'll be toppled almost out on.
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Speaker 3: A daily basis. I'll leave it there.
39:58
Speaker 2: Thank you to you both or AARKD the break and
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Speaker 2: You initiative Anti Muslim Hostility unfailed in the UK and
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Speaker 2: the right to try by jury that goes back to
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Speaker 2: the twelve hundreds to the Magna Carta well, Starma wants
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Speaker 2: it scrapped and you need to be concerned as to
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Speaker 2: why O Rich is of course in a moment. But
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Speaker 2: now to the UK, where a labor government there has
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Speaker 2: introduced a non statutree definition of anti Muslim hostility. Now,
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Speaker 2: non statutree is the key point. It means it's got
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Speaker 2: no legal backing. But the government says the guidance will
40:33
Speaker 2: help to better identify hate speech, that it will not
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Speaker 2: restrict lawful criticism, it says of Islam or freedom of speech.
40:41
Speaker 3: Critics so not convinced.
40:43
Speaker 2: They say there are legitimate concerns that the mandid could
40:47
Speaker 2: be used against proud Brits who simply want to protect
40:51
Speaker 2: the national identity. Join me now to discuss the chief
40:54
Speaker 2: political writer for Spiked Online, Brendan O'Neil. Well, Brendan, I've
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Speaker 2: watched this whole is lamophobia defense very very closely from
41:03
Speaker 2: here in Australia because I fear it's on our way
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Speaker 2: to us. They earlier said that they would abandon attempts
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Speaker 2: to criminalize Islamophobia, but this looks like that by stealth.
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Speaker 13: What's going on, Well, that's exactly what it is. You know,
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Speaker 13: they've removed the word Islamophobia. But they've got this new
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Speaker 13: term anti Muslim hostility and it amounts to to the
41:26
Speaker 13: same thing. And the new definition is so subjective and
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Speaker 13: so vague that it is easily foreseeable that people will
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Speaker 13: be punished in the workplace or in public institutions for
41:36
Speaker 13: expressing critical views about Islam. It feels like a blasphemy
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Speaker 13: law by the back door, and I don't think we
41:42
Speaker 13: should have that in modern day Britain. You know, it's
41:45
Speaker 13: already against the law in the UK to incite hatred
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Speaker 13: against Muslims and to discriminate against Muslims, as it should be.
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Speaker 13: Most decent people agree that it is emphatically wrong to
41:55
Speaker 13: discriminate against Muslims. But this new definition does something else.
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Speaker 13: It actually opens the door to policing how we think
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Speaker 13: and how we speak about one religion in particular. That
42:05
Speaker 13: is quite a tyrannical measure.
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Speaker 8: I think.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's go to this nonsense that all cultures are equal,
42:12
Speaker 2: the all multicultural nonsense we have in Australia. All cultures
42:17
Speaker 2: are not equal. Our culture here in Australia. Your culture
42:21
Speaker 2: is better than the cultures we're seeing in places like
42:23
Speaker 2: Iran and North Korea. Better than Afghanistan. I mean, I
42:27
Speaker 2: could go on and on and on. So why do
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Speaker 2: we tolerate this.
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Speaker 4: It's crazy.
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Speaker 13: It's one of the most dangerous ideas of our time, actually,
42:36
Speaker 13: this notion that all cultures are equally valid. And Kenny Bagnok,
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Speaker 13: who's the leader of the Conservative Party here, she got
42:42
Speaker 13: into huge trouble last year when she said, look, I
42:45
Speaker 13: just don't think all cultures are equally valid. Then she
42:48
Speaker 13: used the example of Afghanistan. She said that the Taliban's
42:51
Speaker 13: approach to women in particular is morally inferior to our
42:56
Speaker 13: approach to women. But the thing is, we live in
42:58
Speaker 13: such a relativistic era that we're not allowed to say
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Speaker 13: that we're supposed to celebrate all cultures and say they're
43:04
Speaker 13: all fine, let them do their thing, let people get
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Speaker 13: on with it. That's not the right approach. I think
43:09
Speaker 13: we must. We've got to be much more assertive about
43:12
Speaker 13: the virtues of Australian civilization, British civilization, and not be
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Speaker 13: afraid to say that they are better than some other
43:19
Speaker 13: cultures around the world. And that's a message we have
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Speaker 13: to send to newcomers to our countries in particular. We
43:25
Speaker 13: have to say to them. Listen, we have a set
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Speaker 13: of rules, a set of moral codes. We believe they
43:30
Speaker 13: are better than the ones in the country you come from,
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Speaker 13: and you've got to do everything you can to integrate
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Speaker 13: into our way of thinking and our system.
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Speaker 2: I guess the difference was when they used to come
43:40
Speaker 2: to our countries in the past, they came to join us.
43:43
Speaker 3: That change us now.
43:45
Speaker 2: So many people, particularly in the UK, are coming illegally
43:48
Speaker 2: and they're coming and living in enclaves that they're not
43:51
Speaker 2: becoming Brits and they're becoming Pakistanis Afghanis who were just
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Speaker 2: living in hotel Britain, not country Britain, and they're not
43:59
Speaker 2: joining the team, they're not learning the language, and they're
44:01
Speaker 2: living on welfare. I've got to ask you before we
44:04
Speaker 2: go there. The jury issue. The labor governments announce moves
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Speaker 2: that they will abolish jury trials now like in Australia.
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Speaker 2: This has been a cornerstone of the legal system since
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Speaker 2: the days of the Magna Carta. Your right to be
44:16
Speaker 2: tried by your peers or your case to be heard
44:19
Speaker 2: by your peers.
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Speaker 3: What the heck's going on here?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is a fundamental right of a free born
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Speaker 13: brit that you have the right to be tried by
44:29
Speaker 13: your peers rather than a single judge. It is the fairest,
44:32
Speaker 13: most democratic aspect of our justice system, and the fact
44:36
Speaker 13: that the Labor Party wants to dismantle it in order
44:38
Speaker 13: to clear a backlog of cases, and there is a
44:40
Speaker 13: backlog of cases, there's no question about that. But that
44:43
Speaker 13: is incredibly worrying. They are sacrificing one of the great
44:47
Speaker 13: liberties of Britain at the altar of speeding up the
44:50
Speaker 13: legal system, and that is entirely the wrong thing to do.
44:53
Speaker 13: I think it really speaks to an authoritarian streak in
44:56
Speaker 13: Keir Stearmer's government, clamping down on freedom of speech, people
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Speaker 13: for tweets and putting people in jail for tweets, and
45:03
Speaker 13: now dismantling the jury system. This increasingly feels like a
45:07
Speaker 13: quite tyrannical government here.
45:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what they want to say, that
45:11
Speaker 2: the right are the fascists, but I tell you the
45:13
Speaker 2: left in your country and here are the fascists.
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Speaker 13: Well, exactly right. Kir Starmer goes on all the time
45:20
Speaker 13: about the dangers of populism and Nigel Farag's Reform Party
45:24
Speaker 13: and how they'll dismantle all the great things about the
45:26
Speaker 13: United Kingdom, even as he is doing that himself. You know,
45:30
Speaker 13: for all the scare mongering amongst leftists about the dangers
45:33
Speaker 13: of the right, it's the left that often often feels
45:36
Speaker 13: most dangerous to our virtues, our values, and our freedoms.
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Speaker 2: I'll watch you closely, Brendan, keep up the fight. We'll
45:43
Speaker 2: do our best here in Australia. Thank you for joining me.
45:45
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, words with Kill Richards. We've
45:47
Speaker 2: got some crackers. Come back after the break. I'll take
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Speaker 2: you through them with kill All right, let's bringing in
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Speaker 2: the Wordsmith, extraordinary Kill Richards, who joins me every Wednesday
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Speaker 2: for words matter, very topical, very germain. To my last
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Speaker 2: segment here, one of our viewers, Kel Gordon, wants to
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Speaker 2: know why some people refer to Muslims broadly as Islamists.
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Speaker 2: He thinks we should be using the established word for
46:17
Speaker 2: followers of Islam as muslim now on this one, now
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Speaker 2: I sort of differ. I think if you're a Muslim,
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Speaker 2: you follow the faith, but if you're an Islamist, I
46:26
Speaker 2: regard it as someone also signing up to the politics
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Speaker 2: of Islam, to the caliphate and all the other horrors
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Speaker 2: that come with the caliphate.
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Speaker 3: But you give me your official view.
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Speaker 14: Okay, officially I can say you've given me the question
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Speaker 14: and the answer, because that's very much what I want
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Speaker 14: to say. Unlike the other world religions, this is the
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Speaker 14: big deal. Unlike the other world religions, Islam is not
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Speaker 14: one thing. It is two things. It is a religion
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Speaker 14: and it is a political ideology. So the holder is
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Speaker 14: of the political ideology are called Islamist and the whole
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Speaker 14: of the religious faith are called Muslims. Can I very
47:03
Speaker 14: quick you quickly give you a definition of those two
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Speaker 14: different things. To be religious and a Muslim is five things,
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Speaker 14: say the Shahada, there is no God but Ada, and
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Speaker 14: Muhammad is his prophet, pray five times a day, fast
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Speaker 14: during Ramadan, attempt to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, and
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Speaker 14: give arms to charity. Fairly harmless acceptable religious activities. There
47:25
Speaker 14: are three goals for political Islam, and they are struggle.
47:28
Speaker 14: The word is jihad for a caliphate in which the
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Speaker 14: caliph will be both a religious and political leader and
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Speaker 14: is seen as a successor to Muhammad. Secondly, impostaria law,
47:39
Speaker 14: and thirdly, offer all the infidels, the non Muslims in society.
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Speaker 14: Three options convert, die or become dimitude, which means second
47:49
Speaker 14: class citizen with paying more tax and having fewer rights.
47:52
Speaker 14: Now you can understand how important it is to see
47:56
Speaker 14: that difference.
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Speaker 2: On absolutely spot on Islamophobia. I was discussing that with
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Speaker 2: Brendan O'Neill.
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Speaker 3: Is phobia the.
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Speaker 2: Right suffix here because phobia is an irrational fear of,
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Speaker 2: in this case, Islam. And when you've just explained what
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Speaker 2: political Islam is, I don't reckon it's that irrational to
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Speaker 2: fear it, particularly as a woman like me in a
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Speaker 2: Western society.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's irrational.
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Speaker 14: Listen, if you look at the eye toolism, what they've
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Speaker 14: done to Iran, you'd have to say, anyone who's not
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Speaker 14: afraid is a bit of a deal. It's perfectly rational
48:34
Speaker 14: to fear that kind of thing. The word is interesting.
48:36
Speaker 14: The word is much older than I would have thought.
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Speaker 14: It goes back to nineteen twenty three, and when it
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Speaker 14: first appeared, it appeared in a learned theological journal Academics
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Speaker 14: debating things, then almost disappeared and came back in the
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Speaker 14: late seventies early eighties, and has been common since then.
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Speaker 14: Now the official ox Ford definition is that Islamophobia means
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Speaker 14: a fear of Islam. Especially this is in the Oxford definition,
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Speaker 14: especially as a political force. Now, when you look what's
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Speaker 14: happening in our society and when you look what happens
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Speaker 14: in some other societies, then you understand it's not irrational
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Speaker 14: to fear Islam as a political force. And listening to
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Speaker 14: Brendan O'Neill, the British government want to say criticism of
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Speaker 14: Islam is effectively islamophobia. That's rubbish. People have to be
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Speaker 14: able to criticize Islam. What if they're wrong about something.
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Speaker 14: Can no one say that, I mean Islam says Christ
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Speaker 14: did not die and across Christians say Christ did. They
49:38
Speaker 14: both can't be right one's wrong. So you have to
49:40
Speaker 14: be able to criticize a faith. That's not the same
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Speaker 14: as Islamophobia. So the British government seemed very muddled on this.
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Speaker 2: Now they can say, cal, I'm just conscious of the
49:53
Speaker 2: time to get to Andrew bott On on the Dot
49:55
Speaker 2: because we've obviously got this terrific documentary coming up. The
49:58
Speaker 2: worry is that these things are being into the United
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Speaker 2: Nations as well.
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Speaker 14: Yes they are. It's to do with the membership of
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Speaker 14: the United Nations, and the fact that there are certain
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Speaker 14: people they've simply decided they don't want to offend.
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Speaker 2: All right, gotta leave it there, thank you, Kel. We've
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Speaker 2: got others to go on with next week. That's it
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Speaker 2: for the enjoyed the doco at seven thirty, but before
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Speaker 2: that is entry