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PoshUnfiltered The Women's Podcast Ep 2: Jess Driscoll · PoshUnfiltered

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Posh Unfiltered and episode two of the Women's Podcasts.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: My name is Phil.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm joined by Meg.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: And today's guest is Jess Driscoll.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm surrounded by legends yet again.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now we we actually spoke ahead of this podcast because Jess is closing in on your finished, well I say finished, your uh total of appearances.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she's three away.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you finished on 180.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Jess is now on 177.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: How are you feeling, Meg?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm literally happy that it's gonna be Jess that overtakes me to be honest.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because we've played together for so many years.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if anyone's gonna do it, it's nice that it's Jess.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know she was that you were that close?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, I didn't actually.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: So what is it, Kia?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it's Kia, then Meg, then you.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna switch around.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's all right.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Meg's actually said that um once she's had the baby, she's gonna come out of time and close you down again.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: So um there's a bit of competition point.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't blame you.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um I want to take you back to the start, really, Jess, because obviously when you get to 177 appearances, that's a that's a big journey you've kind of been on.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: So um we asked Kia the same question when we started this podcast about how she ended up playing football when everyone's got their own story to tell.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, how did you end up loving the game?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good question, actually.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was always in a family that is absolute football mad, so it was inevitable that I was going to get into it sooner or later.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um started off in a local Peterborough side, that was Peterborough Diamonds, I think it was at the time.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um was there for three, four years and then went to trial for Arsenal.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um managed to get through to the because it had a stage of like three trials.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: You get through to the first, you then do the second, and then it's the final one.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I got through to the third one, and then I got the latter to say that they'd accepted me.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: So then joined Arsenal, was there for seven years, I think.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was at a stage in my life where I needed a bit more of a social element to it, so I wasn't really able to go out with friends and stuff because football was just my life then.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I found Posh.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting because we we we always always assume that people uh play football because yeah, they have to kick the ball about in the garden, and then suddenly they go, hang on a second, you're quite good.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Who was the first person to say you're quite good?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think it probably have to be my dad.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's normally a family member, isn't it?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: But but did you believe it at the time?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously you're very young.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: I did because I was in a club playing as a striker and scoring loads of goals.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like you kind of have to be somewhat good to be able to be scoring goals at that age.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because you you said you you're scoring goals.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Was that was that the the thing that drew you to football the most?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: The enjoyment of being able to do that?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously a lot of players will play in a position and then suddenly find themselves.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many stories of people that start as a striker and end up as a second half.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, probably because they're rubbish as a striker.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but for for you, what what what was it that was it the enjoyment of being able to do that?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think the social element of it as well, but yeah, there's no better feeling than scoring a goal.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think later on down my career there's more important things, but yeah, being a young child, you just want to be getting the ball in the back of the net.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, that was probably the most exciting part of the game when I was younger.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: So talk about your family then, because you say you you your dad was the one that obviously sort of said, Yes, you've got a bit of talent here, we want to sort of hone that kind of talent.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in terms of your family growing up, was that what was that like?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you got um you got a big family?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, quite a big family.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um dad's been in and out of every club possible in Peterborough.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, every Saturday we were all at his games, um, and then he really drove the the Arsenal thing because he's also an Arsenal fan.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: So at the time we were all like, oh my god, like it's Arsenal.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, I think probably Dad really.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what was that like um joining Arsenal from going from like a grassroots team?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I suppose what were the key changes?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think uh everything's well the setup, of course, um the travel, there was quite a lot of travel in, um, where I had to rely on my mum taking me back and forth to London three times a week.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then of course the football.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: The the standard was uh very intense, but good.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good job.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you joined Arsenal, what age?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Under 12.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Under twelves, okay.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: So uh you obviously went uh so we went uh I can't do my maths, mate, because you said seven years, so under twelve.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: So under 19?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad that's why you're here, really, just to help my my maths.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, so obviously you you're playing at the top end of the of the what you would call the professional phase within the academy system.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: So um when you got to sort of 17, that kind of age, obviously so many things that are probably going through your mind at that point because as you say, you you're missing out on things that 17, 18, 19-year-olds want to get involved in.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: So how how how difficult was that to try and stay motivated to continue as long as you could?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually really difficult because, as you say, I was at the age where all of my friends were like doing things after school, but I was having to run home, quickly eat, get in the car, and then go to London.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it was really difficult.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: And as well, I was in the posh scholarship, so all of the girls played for posh, and I was a bit of an outsider for playing for Arsenal, uh, or just playing for another club.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like Bragging Rights Day, can you imagine that?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you're fashioned at school.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was very humble, I was very humble.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but they would like have a game on a Sunday and then all come to school the next day, and that's all they'd be talking about, and I'd just be like, oh well, I won, you know what I mean?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: No one's share with me, yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that was probably probably one of the hardest, like hardest things, and then of course, that then led me to choose to give up Arsenal and join Posh.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: How how do you make that decision?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because I like particularly given the fact that I'd imagine your dad was a little bit gutted about that, right?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: How do you how was the conversation?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: What was the thought process?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: Has it been kind of building up to a moment and you were like, well, I've got to split this out now.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's I say it's a funny story, but at the time it really wasn't.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I actually wrote a letter to my dad um to express that I didn't want to play for Arsenal anymore.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: And because I was so not upset, but like I just felt a little bit like I was a disappointment at the time.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I wrote him a letter and put it under his pillow, and then I went to bed, and then he like read this letter, and anyway, it was fine.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um did you not wake him up?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the truth there in that.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Just put it under the pillow.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um did you I wouldn't have slept.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't if I'd have written a letter like that, I don't think I'd have been able to sleep.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it wasn't like a a deep, meaningful one.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: I've had enough.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty much.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have gotten my friends more often.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, no, I took it fine.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I still get the that could have been you every time we watch football, but I made the right choice and I feel like I did it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you've missed a big milestone um in this story so far.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Your England call up?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, there's lots of that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just drop that in.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just drop that in, yeah.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that was um yeah, that was amazing.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: How does how does that work in in the in the women's game?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously in in the men's game, there's so many people working at football clubs and working at the FA, and you know, you'd always hear about when um when the first team get there get a call or get a call from a PA or anything along those lines.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: How did you find out about that call-up and you know what was your immediate reaction?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think if I'd been called up in England, I think someone's winding me up.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: So initially it was an English schools thing.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't quite know like what that was actually about, but I think that's the start of the pathway to then make your way up.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um I had a couple of emails to say that I was on standby for camps, so they were like training camps that you'd go to at St George's Park for three, four nights.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um obviously I was really happy and delighted to be on just to even be on standby, but um and then I got my first call-up to play an international game against Denmark.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um oh no, sorry, before that I got a call-up to play against Slovakia, but whilst I was there, I tore my hamstring.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I didn't get to play that first one.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I know, and we were flying out, so that would have been like a a whole experience in itself, but yeah, tore my hamstring, came back, and then got a call up to play Denmark.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: So do you get a cap?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Have you got a where's it where does it live?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's actually sat on top of my dresser because I've just moved house and I've not quite set it all up yet, but um yeah, got it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it's an incredible um achievement to to obviously get to because to get to that far, and obviously you're kind of living your dad's dream to a certain extent of of playing for Arsenal.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're an Arsenal fan as well, though.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I I guess that must have played a part as well, right?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because everybody likes playing wearing the wearing the badge and and and being in and around such a professional professional environment.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I I can imagine telling your dad was difficult, but also telling yourself that it's gonna be something different, it's gonna be hardware.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, although I was just so ready to join somewhere more locally.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it just really did get to a point where um like my priority priorities had changed a little bit at the time, um, because I couldn't work or anything either, so I was just so restricted, but it was always going to be Arsenal that I looked to join.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: There was no doubt about it.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: You talk about those restrictions actually, because I I just thinking as a parent taking you to all these training sessions in London those three times a week, or that wherever it was at the time, and then obviously you get into an age where school's finished.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'd imagine that you're someone who's quite headstrong in terms of a career as well.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't need someone to tell you that you need a career.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so from a financial point of view, I guess that was something that was in your mind as well that you had to make a sacrifice to start earning some money.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, definitely.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was working at a chippy alongside working at a chippy, but they got some decent, decent discount.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've actually worked in a couple of chippies to be fair.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Fishastic, the one in Orton.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Orton.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Big up the chippies.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, get involved in the uh podcast, that's fine.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Back to the story what I was trying to explain.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I used to work in a chippy alongside playing football, but the money was like absolute pittance.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then when you get when you start earning, you're then like, oh like I've got this little bit of money, like I want more.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, I think that also played into wanting to get something a little bit more.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think we said this to Kia, didn't we, with regards to women's football, is that the um obviously the sacrifice of of being a footballer unless you're at the elite level is so huge because obviously you have to then find a an actual income because as much as people might not expect to hear this, playing for Peter United isn't necessarily going to pay the bills, right?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to balance it last I know exactly three years' time, who knows?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um obviously when you were at Arsenal and albeit you were young at Arsenal, the the dream was obviously to get into the first team, and I guess the timing of when you were there was just kind of before the explosion of the WSL and everything that was going on.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: So you probably couldn't have foreseen how big the game would have got at that particular moment.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess if you'd have had your time again and it was probably seven or eight years down the line, you you might have might have stuck at it more, maybe?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean I don't look back, but yeah, you you never know, do you?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think even if I was there for longer, I still wouldn't have made the friends that I've made and gone to the places that I've visited, so and have the job that I have.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's just one of them, isn't it?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting, Meg, isn't it?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: We talk about social aspect of football and we'll be supposed to care about it, and and you two sat there and said you're friends for life because if you you've bonded over football.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I suppose in the men's game you you you do have that, but not so much, I guess.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's a big it's a bigger dressing room for a start.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, different age groups coming together, you generally are a similar kind of age within the group.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: How important is a social life, being a social butterfly?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Is it to you?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because as I say, some people can be consumed by the game.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really important.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: It it's probably one of the main things that keeps me playing football in all honesty, um, as much as I enjoy it and have a passion for it.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the social element of it is great.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I made some some great friends and does it get overlooked, man?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously you were in that dressing room for for a lot.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I was when I first came across to sort of uh the women's game and and sort of watching you guys in terms of how you operate on a match day on on training, it does feel like a big group of friends just turning up to have a kick about.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: And and I guess there's not ways of replicating that, is there?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: So did you find that?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: Is that is that the thing you miss the most?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I definitely would say so.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think I found it, it's nice that I'm still involved to some extent, but when I see the girls even warming up on a match day, I just think, oh, I miss like being around it all and like the camaraderie and stuff like that.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: But like I said um on the last podcast, like I've got friends for life, and if I ever needed anything, I know I could pick up the phone and speak to them.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, like it's not even just the players, it's their families as well.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like we all know each other and get on, which is really special.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's so funny beforehand because they chat's absolute rubbish as well on the pitch.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Do you always thought that you know when you're on the pitch before the game and you and you're just having a sort of a tune wagon?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I always assume that you'd be maybe talking about the game training, but oh no, no, no, no, there's no random things.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing at all.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Kids arriving with cookies.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: This is we're doing TikTok.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a thing in its own.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: We'll probably talk about that in a second part, but it is really um interesting how you find that kind of way of relaxing before a game by relaxing.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds a strange way to say that's that must be so um easy to take pressure off.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we we're always having a laugh and a giggle.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's quite we're quite a funny bunch, actually, I'd say.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, it's nice to just take the pressure off a little bit before the game and um then get focused when we're kicking off.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: How do you rate kids cookies, by the way?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so good.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: But do you know what?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: With and she's probably oh no, I've changed my mind.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you what, we're gonna go into the first break here, and and I'm gonna get that out of a second.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't want to get that.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know the details, so we'll come back in part two of the Posh and Filtered podcast.
• 16:03
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• 16:06
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• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to part two of Posh and Filtered.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm John with Phil and Jess, and we're just diving into uh Kia's cookies and Jess's rating for them.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, do you want to carry on when we left off?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I was just saying that with Kia's cookies, they are so unbelievably good.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: How I think I was gonna say that before.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: But the only slight issue I have with them is that I can't eat the whole thing in one go.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's personal preference, right?
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean I could, without a shadow of a doubt.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: But I didn't get offered any, and I'm not bitter about that at all.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: But um I know it's you you've said something now.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was interesting actually, because it kind of leads on to one thing I was going to sort of mention, and uh we we kind of talked a little about a little bit about it with Kia with regards to um how you're balancing work, football, nutrition, and particularly for a game in midweek.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: So take we're doing this podcast obviously on the Friday after the Wednesday night game with Norwich.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: So you'd worked throughout that day, I'm guessing.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um how did you plan your day, knowing that you're playing a game of football, you've got to get through the 90 minutes?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: How did how did that work for you?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um well I wake up first things first.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Always good.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would always have my breakfast a lot later than usual.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd have like brunch, say 11, 12, and then I'd have my lunch at like three, four, and then that would tie me over until after football.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Have you just learned over your time of playing football what works for you?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, you can only recompare to what the men do, and obviously they have a chef and a nutritionist and they have a a structured way of doing things, but I guess you have to learn what works for you.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, not every midweek game is the same for me.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm out on work visits, then it's slightly different.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or if I'm just extra hungry that day, then I'll have a little bit more to eat before the game.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think so long as I've got my energy drink before the game, then nine times out of ten, I'm all right.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Did you find it harder in in midweek games?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: In in terms of that um, not routine, I guess, but it's it is different because there's so many different factors.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: On a Sunday, obviously, unless you're working on a Sunday, it's gonna be more chilled.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think initially it threw me out of sync a little bit.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like Jess said, you soon get used to it and you kind of just adapt your meals for the day around it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard, especially if you've got work though, because like Jess said, she's on appointments all day, like when are you actually gonna find time to eat?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it really just depends, especially I suppose being at tier three now and it being even more intense, like you you're gonna have to fuel your body probably even more, I can imagine.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's great that the club have recognised that though, because we've now got all of the cis, the electrolytes, the bars, the protein shakes for after.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: So um that they're a massive help, and yeah, I guess we all rely on those too.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of um, you mentioned obviously appointments, we better obviously talk about how you got into your job because if you rewind to the first part of the show, we were talking about you being at Arsenal when you wanted to come back to Peterborough, obviously around about 18-19 years old at that point.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, the football part might have been well would have been easy because I'd imagine um we'd have been like, You play for Arsenal, you want to play for us?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but in terms of the the career, how did you progress into what you're doing now?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, from the chippy to now.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: So started off with the chippy, um and then I got into coaching, really enjoyed that.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I also did a little bit of delivery driving on the side of the coaching.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um but then I got well my uncle was in an estate agent at the time, um and I used to do the odd Saturday work, just helping out with viewings, etc.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then he had a full-time role come up, so went and did an interview for that, but got the job because I was already kind of in the industry anyway.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I was there for about five years.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I enjoyed that, and then ever since then I've remained in property, I've just moved about from the private rental sector to social housing, and um yeah, I think I'll always be in property, it's just what what kind I guess.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I guess I'd I mean everyone goes on right move and has a look at a few houses just to see what they look like.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you love all that?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I used to find property for um key workers, and yeah, I'd say that was probably one of my favourite roles.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just looking on right move all day.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: I used to like filter it to look at like the most expensive houses, and I used to like pick out what I'd do with each room.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I don't do that anymore because it used to take up far too much of my time when I was actually supposed to be working, but you're quite good at the old, you know, what goes where and it just used to be in my head.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I used to imagine it.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't like put it together on like a prof professional 3D thing.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: But to be fair, when I when I moved out, I'm I'm still on the I still get the emails.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I've moved I've obviously moved m my my address and I haven't taken myself off the mailing list so I can keep looking at the houses when they send it to you.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Just because I'm nosy, really.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: It just feels like that way.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I I I guess in terms of the the work though, that's quite a stressful job in terms of uh the time consumation that it has, but also as I say, you're not.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Just in the office, children relax, you you're out and about.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: So, do do you like that?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Is that something you you could sort of crave going at going and getting out of the office?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, definitely.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't have a role that you just sat at your desk all day, every day.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like each day to be different.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I like to come across different people as well.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that's probably something that I enjoy the most is meeting new people and that every day's different as well.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is that how you found it as well in terms of your your work?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I'd say so.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I also was in Lettings when I dropped out of uni, and um I found it really hard to start off with in terms of because obviously you do Saturdays, right?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I did every other Saturday, and then you're playing Sundays, and especially now if you were anywhere over the country, like it's quite a lot intense.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: You don't really get like how how did you cope with with that and balancing it all?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I just got on with it.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really have a choice at the time.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the Saturday work for me was every other Saturday too, yeah, but it was only until one o'clock.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think um, so I guess I had that afternoon on a Saturday, and that was probably, yeah, like you say, my only bit of weekend that I really got to myself to see friends and family.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I do not work Saturdays, and that was probably one of the reasons as to why I came out of the Lettings, yeah, because of the Saturday work.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: Do you find as well that I I always think, as particularly as someone as you say, who likes going out and meeting people, etc., etc., the game on a Sunday and and then Saturday night being the big night, that you have to I know uh you can do it in moderation.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, no one's going, I can't believe Jess Jess was out at 11 o'clock last night.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: How dare she?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: She's she's she's on£10 a week, yeah.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: But I I guess part of it is for your own good, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: You you kind of know that if you turn up on a Sunday and you're absolutely struggling, then that's gonna affect your performance.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess it's more about yourself judging what's right and what's wrong.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, if we were to take it back to what, four or five years ago.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was just thinking that, yeah.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there was probably a lot of occasions that I was maybe not fit to play.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I also say Evie as well probably could be in that category.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Evie was um at uni, so you can imagine what that was like for her turning up every Sunday.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Travelling back from Sheffield as well.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't know how she did it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, as I've gotten older, I've come to realise that I can't quite do both.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: So but it's a balance though, isn't it?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and that's the thing, because as I say, you you you're you're all playing football for fun.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, of course, it'd be brilliant if you know you won the league, you went up another level, but then you deal with it at that point, right?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: But at this moment in time, yes, it's a serious um job in terms of the level you're at, but also most of those well, everyone is playing for enjoyment, right?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, although I could not tell you the last time that I had a drink on a Saturday.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's all so Jake's not listening.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, like I'm being honest, I would just say I don't I'm not bothered.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um Friday, yeah.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, obviously that a Saturday.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, just but that's more so because my body can't can't take it anymore.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, doesn't it?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit old.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you know, in Kia's book, is it she's she's obviously uh 28 now Kia, isn't she?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: But she's been she's been saying for the last four or five years, I don't know how many more years I've got in me.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how many more years I've got.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: She'll just keep on going and going.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I hit 22 and like things are just starting to hurt that you've never hurt before.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's the next day, and like DOMS is it gets worse and worse, isn't it?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've got like two-day DOMs at the moment.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's horrible.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: That game we played on Wednesday.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I could not sleep.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't miss that part.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: It makes you the next day, right?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're obviously working the next day, I'm guessing.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, working the next day up at half seven to take the dog out.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing changes there.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um you're just in a bit more like, I'm not gonna do a 40-minute walk, I'm gonna do a 20-minute walk because I can't actually go.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna throw a ball instead of actually walking.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: We we um I met your dog at the game on Tuesday.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's your dog, right?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um Wednesday, sorry.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's my mum's dogs, yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: But you've got one as well, right?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's just dog.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: How um how important are they to you?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, so important, especially now that I've just moved into my new place.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't quite know what I'd do without my dog thinking about it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I've got a responsibility with him.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um talk to him later.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm one of them.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the same, yeah.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's a good one.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's only sometimes the same conversation we get because they don't come back in this button and they just look and go, What are you talking about?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: I talk I take the dog for a walk sometimes, and then I I tell the dog how the rest of the day's gonna go.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna go to the flat in a minute, and then when we get to the flat, I'll take you back after that.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think to myself, I I need help.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not that bad.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I left the house and I was like, girls, I won't be too long.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do that.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like he then knows that I don't know, that you're gonna be gonna come back.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he knows that he's gotta then go and be good while you're out.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Time's a lot longer for them, isn't it?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Than like the time goes by.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't Google to go Google things together.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: See, that made me really sad, and then I feel bad when I leave them for like a long period of time because it feels like days for them rather than hours.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: That made Jess crying.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just talking about all the all the really cutesy things here, and then you've just uh gone on it.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um we we we spoke before about obviously um how in women's game you will have setbacks.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: You had one of the biggest setbacks that you can possibly have in terms of your your ACL, and it's quite pertinent.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think we discussed that particular subject because obviously the women's team played Huddersfield fairly recently, and um one of the girls from Huddersfield obviously was down for a long period of time, they didn't really know what the situation was.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's since transpired that she's done her ACL.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's something you've gone through.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's the hardest injury to come back from because you know straight away you're gonna be out for such a long time.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, from a mental point of view, when you did it, what was what was kind of going through your mind?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because you would have known the journey you would have had to go on.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think immediately after doing it, my first thought was, Oh my god, what am I gonna do about work?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um because I just started a new job, and the idea of going to them and telling them that I'm gonna not be able to drive for however long um instantly scared me because I thought maybe I'll get sacked, I don't know.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I remember crying because I was so worried about that.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't actually crying because of my injury.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then obviously as time goes on, you then come to the realisation that actually you're not gonna be able to play for ages.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it was really hard.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: How do you um get over those initial couple of days?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Is it really important at that point to have people around you, family around you, friends around you, partners around you?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because I I I guess they can only really help if you share what's going on, right?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's it's not an injury you can physically see.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I had yeah, great sport around me at the time.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was still able to to move around a little bit as well, which which helped.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then for me it was then just wanting to know exactly what it is that I'd done, because I spent probably about six, seven weeks not knowing what I'd done.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that was really horrible because I then didn't know when I'd be back or what I should do in the meantime.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, then when I finally got the scan, um I was then able to put a bit of a plan in place and focus on because I guess as well, if you don't know what it is, your brain is gonna tell you multiple things, right?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'd imagine you went through a period thinking, wow, it's it's an ACR I'm gonna be at for ages, to then your brain going, Maybe it's not, maybe it's just a little meniscus, maybe it's just you've landed awkwardly.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then I guess the not knowing is the worst part.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Once you get once you know, you can start a plan.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I was on Google probably about five hours every night trying to figure out what it what it is that I'd done.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing all these different exercises, these movements, trying to figure out, but ultimately I heard a pop.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um and nine times out of ten when you hear that.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it was such an innocuous thing that you did, like it wasn't even like a big challenge, or and I suppose similar to the Huddersfield girl, like I didn't even really see it, but it seemed like she'd done she done a like a massive movement, but yeah, it's crazy.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: The the slightest bit of little twist that's wrong, that's it then.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's well we we'll talk a bit more in the final part of um Posh Unfiltered.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um we're just waiting for Keir's delivery of her cookies, um, but they don't appear to have arrived yet, so we'll continue the conversation in part three.
• 31:35
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• 31:40
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• 31:52
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• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Posh Unfiltered Part Three.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're just talking to Jess about her ACL injury and recovery.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I just wanted to understand a bit more about when you were told that's what you'd done.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: What were your initial thoughts and yeah, what was going through your head at the time?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to know all of the information, like I wanted to know as much as possible.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing an insane amount of research to find out how long I'd be out for.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I wanted to get in to see Sam to immediately start doing rehab even before the surgery.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because they said that if you can maintain your muscle before the surgery, you then come out of the surgery having still a little bit there.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, it was just about how soon can I get back.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: How quickly did you have your surgery after being told about the news?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um well I actually tried to get it in Peterborough, but they had I think it was like a 12-week waiting list.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um this is with private healthcare as well.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: So let alone the NHS.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know if I'm allowed to say that.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can say anything you like.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I phoned up the Kettering Hospital, crying down the phone, please let me come and have my surgery like as soon as possible.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um he was it, yeah, we'll get you in tomorrow.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, Oh, okay.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Was that the first hospital you tried, or we had you gone a list of hospitals?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, it was the first one I tried after Peterborough.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Having gone back and forth with Peterborough for like a week, two weeks, um, I think it was them that said try catering.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Big up ketting.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I owe them big time.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: And and obviously, um it's such a positive outlook, actually, because I I I have nothing to go back on in terms of any personal experience here with a long-term injury, but but I would imagine there must have been doubts and this, that, and the other.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: But you seemed very headstrong in terms of right, this is what I need to do, I'm gonna do it, let's get it started.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it may have come across that way, but I definitely had moments where I wasn't sure whether I'd be as strong, as fit, as well, back to my normal self, old self.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that was always a a big worry.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then having uh joined back, um I still didn't feel at my full potential.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that would have been in fact that was last season, so I don't feel like I really um got back to playing how I know that I could play.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I had a b a big question mark over my head of whether I wanted to even continue playing because it's so frustrating knowing what you want to do, but not physically being able to do it.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um that I wasn't sure whether I wanted to play again this season, but I feel like I found a bit of form now.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, glad I stuck at it another year.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: And in terms of the injury, it has been uh discussed a lot in the women's game.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um the reasons potentially behind it.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Do you do you have any thoughts on that?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think it is something that affects women more than more than men?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Is it because maybe the pitches are not at the level that the men play at?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the training?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is it just was it just unlucky?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'd I I don't know.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is there any anything you can shed a light on?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean it's a fact that there's more women that have this injury.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um I believe it's a lot to do with the the hips and how the female hips it compared to the men.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um I guess that would make sense, but you also do have to look at the type of grounds that we're playing on.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um and the variety as well with down forgy and then glasses.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the strength and conditioning that some clubs aren't receiving.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, I think there's a a lot of different factors that you have to take into consideration, but yeah, it's just a a really sad injury that just can't be helped.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I mean, I don't think there's enough research being put into it.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's not many answers as to why this is happening more frequently than than what it has been before.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that's that's something that needs to be accelerated?
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: And and not just that, there might be other factors within the women's game that you're more okay with than myself, but do you obviously it's come a long way in terms of the game, in terms of the pyramid, in terms of the WSL, in terms of the exposure, but that's going very, very quickly.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe there are things behind it that perhaps need addressing.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that definitely, like I said, more research into injuries and injury prevention as well.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Can we prevent it before it actually happens?
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um but something that's quite interesting is maternal cover.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually saw on um at the National Women's League a I think it was a player in either our league or the league below had just announced that they were pregnant.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that pre-Euros where England women like went and won it and women's football just blew up, um, there wouldn't have really been like any recognition for um like women when they do get pregnant whilst they're in in sport.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I think for like something like that to be broadcasted on social media is really good because it is showing that actually like these things are happening and they are being supported.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, that that was good to see.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the thing as well, is like you know, everybody's journey in football is different.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, make your your case an example of different those who had retired, obviously, quite a previously, but um you are gonna have a time where you're gonna be like, right, I want to start family now, and um whether that stops you playing football, whether that stops you playing football for a certain period of time, um it's so much that you would have to think about, and obviously, every set everyone's circumstance is different, some are planned, some are not planned.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I guess there's not much talk about that, really, is there?
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think people just kind of expect it and anticipate it.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas maybe having a voice to sort of say, you know, there needs to be more done to uh look after look after women in those thought processes, and also at the time, because as you say, if if a player is playing at the highest level, for example, and there is an unplanned pregnancy, then obviously there are going to be impacts on on their careers, right?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because if they're playing at the highest level.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why it's so important to have that support structure in place and understanding that actually like this might happen or this might happen.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, like if you see Missy Bo Cunes, obviously she was quite um forthcoming with with being going through a miscarriage, I think, last year, um, and like what that was like, and then getting back to normal training, and like she's not the only one that's gone through that, and that having that support in place is really important.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think taboo subjects shouldn't be taboo anymore, right?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's always been a period, isn't there, where we can't talk about that, or you can't talk about that.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: And nowadays I think that sometimes you've got to go through that brick wall, right?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: To to give people the experience and understand the feelings of going through certain things, and maybe women's football should be a champion of that because there are so many uh things that uh that doesn't happen across both genders.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, yeah, it's like I said to you, seeing it online, seeing other players post about it, like I think that that's so uh so important and so good.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um I suppose it's the next stage, isn't it?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's having giving people the confidence.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think people sometimes think that oh you can't talk about that or it's a weakness or it's this or the other.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: But uh I think it only helps people within the game.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you you drew on personal experience there in terms of missing occurrence, but obviously there are times where you know just someone having a mouthpiece to be able to do that, and that's where I suppose the women's game has helped because there are more outlets to do, you know, there's women's footballs on Disney now, I think, as well.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and obviously you've got the exposure to the WSL that's on on Sky Sports in in timing slots that are a little bit more uh how can I put it a little bit more accessible.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think when they first came in, it was like you're watching games at seven o'clock at night on a Sunday, and you kind of think, well, how's that going to grow the game?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: But now at least they're given those opportunities.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: And when the international breaks are on in the men's game, that's it should be a four o'clock on a Sunday afternoon, right?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um in terms of the game itself, when we spoke to Kia, she obviously has played football all her career, but know much about football, right?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to her about what happened on a Sunday afternoon, she does very little, and that's fine.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's been case and examples of that.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: You love football though, don't you?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: You are someone who will plan uh if there's a game on in the evening, you you're there, right?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, no, I do find it so interesting that Kia doesn't watch football, yet she plays and have so much love for playing.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, no, I'm very football oriented, so um always watching Arsenal whenever they're on, although do tend to miss quite a few games with training and match days, but that is what it is.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, Arsenal won the league last year, so I suppose you've uh still revelling in that experience, right?
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, although I wasn't quite impressed with the result against Fleet with the Underdem.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry about that.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: However, I do love an underdog, and as much as I also love Arsenal, I always want the underdog to win.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll let him have that one.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um in terms of away from football, obviously you've got you're away from football, you've got your job, social life, etc.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: etc.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: moving house.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what else makes you tick?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: What else keeps you going?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's gotta be family, family and holidays.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the best place you've travelled to?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've been to Mexico, that was really nice, and I really, really want to go to Thailand.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: I've been to Bali.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's kind of similar.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the same area, but not Thailand.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: So um holidays are obviously really important.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I guess um having that break and mental reset from both worlds is so important for you.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think people understand the the the the sheer volume of commitment that that girls make, obviously, with the with the jobs as well.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: So is that is that a way of relaxing for you and when you get home after after training or yes, you're surrounded by family as a sort of go-to thing on the on the TV you want to relax to?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've got a couple of a couple of things ongoing at the moment.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Go on then, what are you watching?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: The traitors, yeah, big fan of the traitors.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um be the worst traitor in the Fosh women team, do you reckon?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like maybe Rebecca Mids.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think there'll be some good traitors.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there would be some trade traders.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Who do you think?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: We played it.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Can you remember last year before training one one time?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Who won?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think Evie would be a good traitor.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: And Anna.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Anna would be a good traitor.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: She's got a good poker.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Courtney wouldn't.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: No Poppy.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think Courtney would wilt under any pressure that's any kind of grilling.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: If if Michael Sheen was here and grilling Courtney, she would she would be like James Acaster and Wilt straight away.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um so traitors, anything else?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um Big Brother, actually.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Big Brother! I know, yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you'd be surprised about that.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Big Brother, the first Big Brother, came out when I was at college.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: So a very, very, very long time ago.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: I interviewed the winner of Big Brother One and several of those contestants when it was first came out.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I never ever thought that it would still be going now.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: What is it because I I Is it celebrities?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Must be the only person watching this, I reckon.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably popping the viewing figures up.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love you know, me and me nan catch up every Tuesday.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is your nan a big supporter of you personally?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Nan and granddad, yeah.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh how uh how vocal are they in terms of your do they come and watch your games?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, every home game.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously Anna's Anna's grandma came in she to uh one years old.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: And she sat about two rows in front of me, and my word, she was having a right go.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: She wasn't just sitting there waving a scarf, she was she was uh giving it to the reference.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I love that.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: But is that is that the way you relax then?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: Just just TV.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: What about music?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I love my music, although I'm a bit a bit all over the place with my music.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like that's a bad thing though.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't just listen to the one genre.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: What would be what would you be your dream concert then?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: If I if I said you've got three acts to put on a weekend uh, what are you putting on?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna expose it.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: You can tell by her face going away.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: Just thinking I can't say Teddy Swift.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can I say Tennessee?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is a really difficult question because do I go who I really, really want to see, or do I go where I think I'll have the best time?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, you're the answer to the question.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Can I give you two of them?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, right.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I really want to see Justin Bieber and Billy Eilish.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: If I could pick anyone in the world, it'd be them.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um however, I know that I'd have a really good time seeing Chase and Status, Fred again, and see I've seen yeah, I've seen a few.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like concerts?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like concerts?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do you you you kind of get swept away?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like a festival.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a little while since I've been to one, but yeah You used to go to Creamfields every year, didn't you?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a proper dance one, that isn't it?
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: See the thing, football, you can't do all the things.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can't do it anymore.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta you gotta decide whether you want to be away at Rugby Borough or at Creamfields.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's a and even like holidays, like yeah, holiday has to be scheduled for it's a nightmare.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Pre-season and all it's a good time to get out holidays pre-season.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: Then Jakeie Philislin, she she definitely tried other dates, but it just happened to be when we're doing the first two weeks of pre-season.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you, Jess.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much for giving up your time to come on the podcast.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, as as we said right at the top of the show, you're gonna go into second place.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, whether you'll be able to hunt down Keir, I I'm I'm not too sure.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: But if she keeps talking about uh retiring, then there is possibly the chance that you could overtake her in years to come.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but on behalf of everybody, you've obviously a posh legend just like Meg.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: And uh we really appreciate you taking the time.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you very much for joining uh the women's podcast.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we'll be back next month with episode three.