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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, 2025 Week 11: Chicago Bears @ Minnesota Vikings · 2nd City Gridiron

0:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Bear Bombs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Mason West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, come in to this episode of Bear Bones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As always, I am Mason West, Dr. West, however you want to put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, I am joined by and we are very lucky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He grace this with his presence again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob and Fonte, Jacob, are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing great, Mason.
1:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I appreciate you always.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always a good time to be on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's even more fun.
1:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I can imagine when the bears are good.
1:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like every time, you know, over the years I've been here, it's just been, you know, bad team after bad team to breakdown.
1:39
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited to see how things go once we actually have something good to talk about for once.
1:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty hard to run a podcast when it's just doom and gloom all the time and you're trying to find this over-lining's to stuff.
1:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we're not trying to make a mountain out of a mobile, you know, like who the bears have played.
1:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We know some of the stuff that's gone on early in the season, but that doesn't mean that it's not fun and that they're on the right trajectory as they are moving forward, treasuring along towards some divisional games coming up, specifically the Vikings game that we're gonna talk about.
2:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I think that these next few weeks, we're really going to see who the bears are.
2:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, you know, there are six and three at this stage right now.
2:20
[SPEAKER_03]: They've one of the lot of the games that they should have won, which is huge.
2:24
[SPEAKER_03]: They're in pretty good position for the rest of the year.
2:27
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, like you mentioned, the NFC North games are going to pick up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really going to show.
2:31
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, is this team a true?
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[SPEAKER_03]: legit playoff team or are they just more benefactors of these schedules so I'm excited to see how the rest of the next couple of weeks and months play out.
2:44
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that normally I'm doing around this time period is having draft discussion because the pairs are normally absolutely terrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I have to look forward to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't really have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do it anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I still love draft season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can see holes in this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about some of them today.
3:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's just a good to have some names out there as people are watching college football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm calling this segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Replacing our chart review because I still want to talk about any of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baby beast and I've this is my nods at the athletic and damn brook where don't sue me Because after Dane I think you're probably my number two when it comes to draft talk So I'm glad that I can yeah, I can have you on here and do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the amount of work you do and the prospects you watch and all that it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: like a second to only like I said today, so baby beast time, who are some some players?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whether it's first round picks, whether it's a couple different positions, or maybe you just have someone that is you're already your draft crush that maybe a fourth round pick for all we know that various fans should kind of just keep an eye on as the weeks are moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, totally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll go from there and I'll I want to break down two positions in particular and break down a couple prospects of both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I draw sure an offensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the ones that I want to break down mostly because I mean, one that's probably the two biggest needs on the bears right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But also, it's a pretty good class at both positions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess I'll start with the edge rusher's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think specific to the bears.
4:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Ruben Bane out of Miami is my top edge rusher in the class.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's, you know, he's not going to be available when the bears pick.
4:19
[SPEAKER_03]: They won too many games already at this point to be in contention for him.
4:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Dress.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, dang it, uh, whatever, uh, but I think, you know, there's plenty of ad russure talent, you know, a little bit further down the board.
4:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I say a little bit further.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I still have two other ad russures in my top 10 right now.
4:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's David Bailey out of Texas Tech and Keldrick Falco out of Auburn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get the sense, Keldrick Falk would be like a true Dennis Allen type of defensive end, where he's, you know, he's built, he's, you know, around that like six, six, two, two, eighty or so range, like he's borderline a defensive tackle playing Ed Drusher, and he's got that length, he's got that size, he's got that power, the edge setting ability that Dennis Allen has historically kind of preferred in these Ed Drusher's, and now that's why they paid,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dio Odeing, but a lot of money, I think if, you know, they want to look for someone who, I mean, I think could be a better version of that would be fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's got the explosiveness and high motor that Dio has, but I think he uses his hands a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little bit quicker as far as how he processes moves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: like how to string moves together, granted that's in college, but still, I think, you know, similar traits there without much higher ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then David Bailey, I think, is a pure past Russian phenom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's a little bit undersized for that for the Eddrosser position, for especially what you think of like a typical base for three defense event, but he's extremely explosive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might be the most flexible Eddrosser I've seen in this class.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a really high pass rushing IQ too as far as knowing what move to use against what type of what different pass sets, you know, break it down the angles that tackles take being able to identify, all right, I use this move against this look.
6:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just he's really smart and he's really athletic and I think that you know he's he was really good last year for Stanford, but he transferred Texas tech this year and he's been phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So David Bailey would be a guy I'd really like a little bit further down in like the first round say around like that 20 range.
6:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You're looking at cash as howl a Texas A&M little bit shorter arms, but still explosive still powerful still you know plenty of past rushing juice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: TJ Parker's someone who's slid down my board a little bit out of Clemson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's more of like a linear sort of ad rusher his you know bends okay, but he's quick and he's powerful and he's got long arms big big dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I think that would fit a little bit more into what Dennis Allen likes and, uh, Mateo Ouyangalele as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that, that's going to round out like the first, first round guys that I have in this class.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Ouyangalele again, another one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's better with his hand in the dirt more of like a power russia with the high motor type.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not the highest ceiling in the class, but definitely one of the highest floors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go I can I'll just keep going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get a lot of edge rushers that I like in this class that I can just keep going on and on about a lot of guys in like that day to range as well.
7:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I whether it's you know quicker types of edge rushers like like their speed rushers like Damon Wilson the second out of Missouri is a guy I have in the second round Joshua Joseph side of Tennessee has been a big breakout year for him.
7:39
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... and then roll mellow height also on a Texas tech i think you know rush you long side of galley david bayley that helps but i mean rebello heights a tremendous athlete and a crafty past russia in his own right so uh... those are some of the speed guys and if you want more power there's your uh... your lt overtones out of Alabama there's your zion young from his who was waiting to come up because i mean just the mizzou alma mater connection
8:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a, as soon as you got, I think one of the top edge rusher duels in the nation, it's a shame that they're not going to do a whole tum with it, just because they're quarterback out hurt as far as like postseason goes, but yeah, it's a really good edge, edge tandem this year.
8:27
[SPEAKER_03]: not quite hybrid defensive tackle, but like super sized ad rusher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then our Mason Thomas, I forgot to mention, like that speed category as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's there's a lot of different flavors that add rusher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in this class and depending on what you want, there's a lot of value.
8:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I feel like we said that last year and the bears just didn't draft an edged rusher, which I mean, we're seeing the results of that now.
8:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they can get away with that this year.
8:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's kind of like the offensive line.
8:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Last off season where it's like, all right, this is a glaring issue.
9:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to be aggressive in trying to find out ways of how to address that.
9:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Bears, it worked for the Bears this year to be able to go offensive line heavy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that, you know, admittedly with fewer resources this go around, I think defensive lines should be the focus specifically at Russia, but it's a really good class.
9:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think you could probably say like a good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe five or six guys going in the first round and then like in my top 60 alone I have 12 bad rushers so it's a it's a it's a really deep class I think as far as like solid quality starters I think any of those guys would be good to factor in a Chicago's defensive line.
9:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's fantastic to hear.
9:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a secret to anyone that the bear's edge position needs assistance.
9:53
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at, let's see, I was stat later that'll talk, but I'm not even going to pull that up right now, but again, it's not a secret to anybody.
10:00
[SPEAKER_01]: One other thing, Larry, I'd ask you for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there any reason that, whether it's early or in the middle rounds, you think that the barrier should be dipping it into that defensive tackle, thought process, they did draft from our turn, but he was actually used more of as an edge, whether that's out of need or that's just where I did a sound song, fit better, you know, we haven't really gotten a lot of anything, got a great interior due to injury, what do your thought process on that?
10:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's another position, you know, I mean, there has been a lot of bears draft talk in general, but with the little bit that there is, hasn't talked a lot about defense of tackle, and you bring up very good points with all of those and Andrew Billings's contract is expiring at the end of this year as well.
10:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's another potential wrinkle in the mix.
10:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't go with a defensive tackle in the first round.
10:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, especially in this class, I mean, unless you get like a, I don't know, like Peter Woods at a club said he's having a down year from like the top five consensus prospect that he was, but he's still a first rounder in my eyes, unless you can get him you're probably better waiting off until like the second or even third round.
11:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I have, they're a handful of guys I haven't like that mid to late third round range at defensive tackle like Dante Corleone out of Cincinnati.
11:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone that he's been on my radar for a minute just a big run stuffing nose tackle who's also has really good eye.
11:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, short area, quickness for such a big guy.
11:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Caden McDonald is someone I haven't that like late day to range out of Ohio State right now.
11:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because I haven't watched a ton of him yet, but the more that I watch of him, the more I've been impressed.
11:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you want to go for like a past rushing type of guy, Grace and Halton out of Oklahoma, I feel like I'm a little bit higher on him than the consensus, but he's, you know, a little bit undersized, but, you know, quick as all get out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think from a pure need perspective, it's something the bears should consider using, like halfway decent premium on, maybe not, all right, we expect this guy to be a starter right out of the gate, but maybe this is someone who can factor into the rotation year one and then eventually be a starter, that would be that would be 2027, so yeah, like a 2027 starter and a 2026 just decent rotational guy, I think that'd be a good move.
12:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then you mentioned the other side of the ball right off into tackles the other one you want to talk about kind of a divisive topic with, you know, how the offensive line is currently shaking out the open it, you know, good in the run, not great in the past blocking you spent a second round pick on a tackle that you had hoped would play left tackle, but it really just wasn't able to do so at least early on and potentially are you looking early to, you know, fix, I guess not necessarily a mistake, but at least try to fill that, but to hold that's there.
12:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely something that's on my mind.
12:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that at least what we've seen with from Bennett it so far, there's definitely been flashes, but I really think that you watch just tape and there are definitely some limitations.
13:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of it comes down to his length.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: we talked about it a little bit like you know during the preseason he just had short arms and there's nothing really you can do about that but except the you know a lot more refined from a technical perspective and he's gotten better I think the last couple weeks have shown growth from Benedict but at the same time uh
13:36
[SPEAKER_03]: When you have those shorter arms, you know, it's tougher to lock guys out at the point of the attack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we've seen that a couple times where Benedict, if he doesn't get his hands perfect, he's basically SLL, you know, just because he doesn't have the long arms to be able to recover and, you know, get his leverage back.
13:56
[SPEAKER_03]: So this class, this draft class is really interesting
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[SPEAKER_03]: natural right tackles.
14:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
14:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, like, you know, Spencer Fano is my top tackle right now.
14:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's Fano or Fano.
14:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not at that point where I have all the pronunciation down.
14:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I have the grades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anybody's names.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my downfall every single year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, from Utah, he's my top tackle in the class.
14:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I have number six overall on my board right now.
14:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a natural right tackle, Francis Mali Goa.
14:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He's I have him as my, my tackle number two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a right tackle as well.
14:42
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as peer left tackles, I think the top two are Kato Blomu, out of Utah and then Kato and Proctor, out of Alabama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Neither them I'd call blue chip prospects, but I think there's, you know, they're enticing for two completely different reasons.
14:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Lomo is a little bit undersized like he came into the year around like 290.
15:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what he's at now and that lack of elite size can hurt him sometimes where he can get pushed around by power from time to time, but he's a really good mover.
15:14
[SPEAKER_03]: He blocks well on the move.
15:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He, you know, sets his hands well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He times a strike, so accordingly, uh, good pad level, good blocking on the move, uh, athletic and pass protection.
15:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I like him a lot as like a high floor type of tackle.
15:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want him to gain a little bit of weight, but he's, you know, still a very talented and technically sound linemen.
15:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Proctor, I like for the literally the exact opposite reasons.
15:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, his technique, uh, okay, it's kind of like a Mackay back to in situation, kind of out of Louisville when he was coming out, where it's
15:49
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, the technique isn't all the way there.
15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: You have some concerns, okay?
15:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he too big?
15:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe does he need to lose a little bit of weight to improve his conditioning?
15:58
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's huge as all get out.
16:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Massive dude, long arms, powerful, nasty, moves really well for his size.
16:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that the technique is hit or miss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The spatial awareness against different looks of past rushers is hit or miss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the highs are really high, the lows are pretty low, but I think someone's gonna bet on that upside with him.
16:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mentioned those right tackles earlier, I mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not as dead set on, oh, he played right tackle in college.
16:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You absolutely can't have them at left tackle in the pros.
16:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's part of the reason that I was, that I liked Armon Mimbo, if he was available for the bears in the draft this past year.
16:46
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just pure value, regardless of whether he plays the left of the right side.
16:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do understand a lot of people prefer to have that natural left tackle.
16:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, we saw it here with, like you mentioned with Ozzy, where that's, you know, a guy, he's, he seems a little bit more natural at right tackle.
17:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He's played left tackle, but, you know, he's better at right.
17:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think people, especially now, might have a little bit of, you know, concern, I guess, of wanting to convert a right tackle into left tackle.
17:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, a couple other guys, I mean, Trevor Goose be out of Texas is someone that I'm pretty high on.
17:25
[SPEAKER_03]: He's somebody who's another freak athlete at tackle.
17:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's only one year starter because he was, uh, he was Kelvin Banks back up last year at Texas.
17:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, you know, this year was his first extensive look in the starting lineup, but, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: These look pretty dang good so far this year, you know, the mobility, the coordination and pass protection, the size, the length I'm impressed with I say a world is another tackle that I'm a fan of too.
17:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So he again, he's another one of those guys where.
18:00
[SPEAKER_03]: He was really, he had really good flashes at really good flashes at Nevada.
18:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he transferred to Oregon this past year and, you know, he's shown he's still a little bit of inconsistency, but again, like freakish tools in saying length and athleticism.
18:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And as far as like a higher floor type of guy, I do like Caleb Tiernan out of Northwestern a good amount.
18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to use the Nemos going to ask you about we have to talk with her with the Western guy.
18:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, yeah, no, I figure anytime I mentioned a tackle and it's not Northwestern or Indiana or like one of the Illinois, just any of the big schools that are like Midwest around here, somebody's going to shout at me and be like, hey, why don't you have so and so.
18:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but yeah, I think specifically with Tiernan, uh, he's not the greatest athlete, like he's not the most mobile, he's almost flexible linemen, but he's got a really good understanding of how to time and places strikes, especially initially.
18:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, you know, he can compete and he can, you know, with hand fighting, he can regain that leverage.
19:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he does a really good job of getting that initial inside placement.
19:09
[SPEAKER_03]: He's strong.
19:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He's smart.
19:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, as you would, you know, as you would expect for a Northwestern guy, but, you know, he's smart, powerful, big dude, like six, you know, six, seven and a half I believe.
19:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
19:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
19:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Give her take.
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so I mean, he's a big dude too.
19:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's someone that I'm really like, I will say because I've gotten a couple comments.
19:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't gotten around watching to fully watching Carter Smith out of Indiana.
19:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone I saw Dane Brugler was pretty high on recently.
19:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He's on my watch list and that Indiana offense has been fantastic.
19:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have, I should have something out on him, either like literally later tonight or tomorrow.
19:54
[SPEAKER_03]: But
19:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Those five guys I mentioned earlier, those were the natural left tackles in this class, obviously there are a couple really good right tackles too, but if you're if you're really fixated on all right, this guy plays left, we want him to stay left, then those are my top guys in this class.
20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and going back to cheering for us like, and I do think it's funny that I believe he's got 32 and a half inch arms.
20:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's all going to be a topic for discussion right that benchmark of 33 of not 34.
20:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He has been just can't put out a tackle with long arms going back to security just around ski, but I mean, he's played both left and right.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So I keep just an interesting name and I don't I'm probably just going try at this point because of what what when I left your pillow, but.
20:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would kind of like a guy that you saw play left tackle and you know plays left tackle so that you don't end up having to my biggest, I'm worried about the bear is having to move Darnl right to left tackle next year if you can't figure out whether it's through draft, whether it's Aussie, whatever the situation might be.
20:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, technically, chronographies still exist if you want to throw his name out there.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're seeing, you know, Diana right become moving towards that conversation of a probal, all pro-right tackle.
21:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I just would hate that to have to do the pile-long thing and take a good, a potential rape player and make him only good.
21:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I think that another thing to keep in mind with that, too, is with
21:19
[SPEAKER_03]: He's coming up on, you're going to have to decide on the 50 option on him.
21:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have to decide on an extension form.
21:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's going to get a lot of money.
21:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And the bears, I'd assume, are going to pay him a lot of money.
21:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Are going to be the team that pays him a lot of money.
21:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So do you want to pay a guy top to your money?
21:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And then afterwards, switch him to left tackle, where he's more or less of a commodity?
21:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,
21:46
[SPEAKER_03]: like I mean for it worked out for Tampa Bay I mean Tristan worse has been fact it just as good at left tackle if not even better but that's you know that's not always the case like I know Orlando Brown or Linda Brown Jr.
22:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really get it right tackle for the Ravens he really wanted to play left tackle and you know and stints around the league he's played left tackle I mean he's been fine but nowhere near as good as he was when he was you know originally
22:15
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of a tough line that you have to figure out.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm grateful that I don't have to be the one to make that decision.
22:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I can just say, oh, he's a tackle, he's a guard, he's a center, and then call it a day from there, which, you know, EA me, but I do think that it's something to consider too, where you have, you know, you have to pay to Arnold, right?
22:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And exactly like you said,
22:41
[SPEAKER_03]: what you you have a great right tackle as it is right now.
22:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And would you really be willing to risk maybe him being an okay left tackle?
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
22:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
22:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That's something they'll have to figure out because that's that's definitely a tough decision.
23:01
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23:04
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24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, training, room, round up,
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to discuss what's going on with the bears and biking's injuries here.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately, a lot of this has cleaned up for the bears, considering what it looks like.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, for a lot of people, at this point if you haven't realized it, don't freak out at a lot of the BMPs are in the week.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be a thing all year, certain guys are just going to get rest because it's a managing injuries and I actually really like how.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: the bears are handling this compared to past years but the ones who really discussed TJ Edwards handed hamstring he could play right now with the hand he had surgery on it throwing you know essentially a club brace on there but the hamstring is still a problem and he I doubt he he's not playing so you're gonna get more stool at this point
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the only other one to really discuss in the DMPs that is of interest at the Japan Briscar back, uh, he is not practiced the last couple days.
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect him to play, uh, I wouldn't be too worried about that one.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see on Friday what happens there ultimately.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, then you go into the limiteds and all that DJ more Roma do is a that's management.
25:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The other wants a highlight specifically.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: is Dominic Robinson.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He was back from that angle full participant today so that anemic house rush does get a little bit of a bump up here and you know Jacob curious in your perspective.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Dom Rob has been kind of the joke like why you still hear kind of thing, but I mean this year he actually was playing okay.
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean not that you're not necessarily productive, but at least in terms of pressures he's been solid
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think here as I'm trying to battle against my cat is trying to knock my laptop down.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the more depth that you have at Ed rush or the better and like you said, down Rob was.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, at this stage, I'm not going to anticipate he's going to be, oh, a full-time starter, getting to NSX season, but if he's a decent rotational piece, that's helpful for this bears defense, because quite frankly, they've struggled to generate pressure consistently off the edge.
26:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think having him back will be huge.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Another guy I know you mentioned, too, is TJ Edwards being out.
26:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a bummer in particular.
26:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, most of this defense is, well, I don't want to say most of the defense is healthy, but a lot of the guys who are on the injured lists are slated to play, which seems encouraging, but I think one thing, I really like to see TJ Edwards get back there because Sue will, I don't think, has been all that great.
26:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I was curious how things were going to play out with him in like a bigger role, but he's just been specifically a liability in coverage, like he's a good tackle or he's physical, but he just doesn't have the fluidity and he's not very comfortable across the middle of the field yet.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think that's going to be as one thing I'm a little bit worried about, but
27:22
[SPEAKER_03]: As it, you know, as it pertains to Robinson, I think she's my cat just hit me in the face.
27:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he got that.
27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: He is, oh, my Lord.
27:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He's being a little goofball today.
27:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where I was going from there.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll end it at that.
27:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Ed Rushard depth is good.
27:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to tell my cat to stop hitting me in the face in the middle of these podcasts.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, talking just about the importance of TJ Edwards there, I think for one, it puts tremendous Edmunds in the right position, because the mic first, the will, you see a distinct difference from Edmunds there.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I mean, this matchups, I think it's going to suck one of the things that the bear struggled with at the end of the last matchup in week one was
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: covering air and Jones out of the backfield as a past catcher.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And Suele is just not good in coverage, like in any way, shape or form.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just really no one else that you can throw there at this point.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a part if they're the bare secondary was more healthy and you could have had like more fun dime looks with, you know, CJ Gardner Johnson out there, maybe you could have done something with that, but at this point, that is an area of concern for me without Edwards out there.
28:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's fair for sure.
28:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know, people have been talking about, especially when you say you're great, I don't know, there's an article that like, okay, when Kyler Gordon comes back, how are they going to use CJ Gardner Johnson?
28:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's a really good example of one way that they could use them.
28:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just they don't have the luxury of doing that right now.
28:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's one area, I think that the Vikings could exploit, like you mentioned Aaron Jones being a reliable checkdown option, stuff like that.
29:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'll be curious to see how that all plays out.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: See, if flipping over to the Viking side of things, the ones really to look at here, John Clinton, Grinard, interestingly enough, he went from limit to not participating with that shoulder injury.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a question whether he would play or not.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens on Friday.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't expect it to be a long injury injury, like he should play for sure next week, but I mean, if there's going to avoid having him out there, that would be fantastic for them.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of limiteds and things like that.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Wolf Fry is being back for them.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the important Ryan Kelly.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a limited last couple of days.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been out and he was actually on IR with a concussion.
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But as far as you can tell from some clips that were out there, he was actually taking snaps with the backup quarterback, not with Jason McCarthy today, but that doesn't really necessarily say anything.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I would expect Ryan has to be a full participant on Friday or two play.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I've done the shabby on concussions a bunch of times.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: JJ was a full participant today, but I mean, keep an eye on that even though it was a full participant today.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That grip strength can still potentially be affected and ultimately what's going up what what that'll look like on Sunday will be very interesting even if he is playing there.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part of the Vikings are going to be more or less full strength.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, Christian Derosaw didn't participate.
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been even when he's played.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He can kind of pop in and other line up.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He's managing that knee all year long.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm obviously bearish fans know that with how the only sack title of the rainbow came against the back up in that week one game.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So their line is definitely a question mark.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to, I think, be quote unquote full-ish, but it's not just stuffy not full strength.
30:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think, I mean, obviously, I think the biggest one there is JJ McCarthy's right hand being injured.
30:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like you said from a group strength perspective that could be, you know, could provide some issues.
31:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know it's, you know, at Minnesota, so it's, you know, it's indoors.
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So the weather isn't playing a factor, but I mean, still, you know, your grip and on to a football, you're throwing a football for a living, having an injured hand on your throwing arm isn't
31:15
[SPEAKER_03]: ideal.
31:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'd be curious to see how that all plays out.
31:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Jonathan Brenard, I think is going to be interesting to go and, you know, you don't see that a ton where like your their participate, their limited participating and then just, you know, they don't participate later in the week, usually it's the opposite.
31:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think if he were out, that would be a massive boost for
31:38
[SPEAKER_03]: the bears' offensive line, which has been pretty good this year, but I know like we mentioned a little bit earlier, left tackles, been a little bit hit or miss, depending on the matchup.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So having only one of him in Van Gingle instead of two of them would be extremely beneficial.
31:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know they still have Dallas Turner in Minnesota.
32:00
[SPEAKER_03]: My understanding is they've tried to use them
32:05
[SPEAKER_03]: where they drop them back in coverage and have them out in space sometimes.
32:08
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think those two in particular are the ones that I'm looking at.
32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one because obviously it's the quarterback and two.
32:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Vikings have one of the better edge rusher duo is in the NFL.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So to be able to get that group, maybe not at full strength.
32:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I know Van Ginkl was on there too.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like he's going to play.
32:30
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
32:32
[SPEAKER_03]: regardless, I think that, you know, any advantage you can get is a big one, especially in a divisional game like this.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely.
32:40
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, that was our training room round up next up.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those, some of this game.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Neger reaction.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of how to take that we have going into this week.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine is, what are the Vikings really do well?
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They're one in three since they're by week.
32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a low league average in rushing offense, passing offense, run defense, take ways and giveaways, and it only slightly above average in past defense.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So, some specific numbers on that, they ring 21st and points per game, 18th and average scoring margin, 22nd in passing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per game, 12th in opponent yards per game, 22nd in opponent rushing yards per game, and 30th in turn over margin per game.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot of great stuff there.
33:19
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a Vikings fan, you're going to point to the fact, like, oh, it was Carson Wentz for a lot of the season.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have JJ McCarthy, but later, I also have some stats in here, but JJ hasn't been fantastic either.
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had, even if you want to talk about the week one game, he had a good second half of the fourth quarter, Vikings won, you know, bless you, good fruit, good fruit, good for y'all.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, it's just a lot of, it's a lot of, okay.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, can that flip potentially,
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really sure what to circle here as like, uh, all right, cool Vikings you.
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your bread and butter.
33:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good point too, because it's not like last year where you have samed on hold a quarter back and, you know, the past to get tax been really strong.
34:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Justin Jefferson by by his standards is having a down year.
34:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, granity still been fantastic.
34:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still one of the best receivers in the league, but his numbers aren't like best in the league worthy.
34:16
[SPEAKER_03]: You also mentioned, you know, the the run game has you were without Aaron Jones for a little bit.
34:20
[SPEAKER_03]: You have him back now.
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know what their identity is on offense.
34:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Granted part of that is because they've only played like what maybe like four or five games with JJ McCarthy this year, but I think that's something they're still trying to figure out.
34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, JJ has definitely had his struggles early on, that's something I feel like was to be expected to an extent just for a college quarterback who wasn't asked to do a ton and then someone who's coming off of an injury is entirely rookie year.
34:55
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, he had a lot of cards against him going into this year.
34:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a talented team for sure.
35:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And I still believe Brian Flores is one of the top defensive play collars in, you know, in the league.
35:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And that should give the bears, at least make it a little bit tougher to game plan as opposed to
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, some of the defenses like the bangles or the cowboys that they've been playing in recent weeks are the giants.
35:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it'll be definitely tougher from that perspective, but I think you're right, they don't have a one thing that they can rely on and be like, oh, this is our identity.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: This is who the this year's Minnesota Vikings are.
35:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a beatable team, you know, obviously I think we saw that in week one where the bears were, you know, pretty convincingly beating them and then they blew the lead.
35:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that happen again in similar circumstances later in the year?
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so, but I mean, I guess we'll just have to wait and find out.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And is there something a hot take you guys going into this?
35:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my hot take for this is, at least my hot, I'm, it's a specific is a prediction.
36:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think Colston Lovelin's going to score two touchdowns in this game.
36:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay and so I'll go with that.
36:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the last two weeks in particular he's really come into his own as the the more heavily targeted tight end in the bears offense and I think that's a good thing personally because I mean Colcomed is still a solid football player.
36:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I've loved what they've done with him, you know, lining up as a full back having him as an inline blocker.
36:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's done a good job like he plays his role very well.
36:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that, you know, especially early in the year, he had some of the drop issues.
36:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, Loveland at this juncture is the more valuable receiving tight end.
36:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that now we're starting to see him, you know.
36:48
[SPEAKER_03]: live up to those expectations of being a top 10 picks.
36:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So the last two games have been really good for him.
36:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that slowly but surely as I get hit in the face again, Caleb Williams is building Jesus Christ dude.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't like your take.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a cool comichead.
37:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a cool comeback hat all the way.
37:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's going nuts on me right now.
37:07
[SPEAKER_03]: He's looking at me.
37:08
[SPEAKER_03]: You little jerk.
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, yeah, I'm going close to the level with two touchdowns.
37:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to continue that momentum.
37:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and just it's been really interesting to see him utilize and I
37:26
[SPEAKER_03]: utilized properly too.
37:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I think is another thing where we kind of see him in like that Sam Laporta sort of role.
37:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes he's even in the slot.
37:34
[SPEAKER_03]: The occasionally outwide, I mean, he's not like your big body, it's super good, traditional inline blocking tight end by any means, but I mean, he has that versatility.
37:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He has that athleticism to be you across the middle of the field.
37:47
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen that on, you know, seams and crossers all year.
37:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to go with colson lovelin.
37:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to have two touchdowns and Oh, all right.
38:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that one that was a dig.
38:03
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a deep dig.
38:04
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
38:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going down.
38:06
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
38:07
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... cheese throws you off your game when you have a feeling i haven't trimmed his nails in a little bit too so it's scratching uh... my hand looks like a mess right now but that's a discussion for another time
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I hit nail in the head.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and watch the old 22 from last game, I mean, there's even a couple of opportunities for Lovelin that weren't taking full of damage.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think our people, you could say, we're misses by Caleb or, you know, whether depending on where that was the read and the progression, obviously that all matters.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would even venture to say, I think, I mean, this is still early, but I think love and I have some of the best hands on the team.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, we've kind of asked for more from Rome and from DJ in terms of somebody's contested catches and these tougher catches.
38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, one of the first hard catches we saw from Lovelin, the one play where Kale is rolling to the left and Kale of Lovelin has to extend between three defenders.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And he makes that as a hand sketch, right?
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just a lot of body catchers on this team.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think you hit them down the high with that one.
39:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think that's a good point too, and I think it's interesting you bring up.
39:19
[SPEAKER_03]: like missed opportunities with loveland or you know like where he was open or could have potentially been thrown to because there's one play in particular that sticks my mind from watching that all 22.
39:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched it last night so it's still like relatively fresh in my head.
39:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what the I think it was like a high-low concept.
39:39
[SPEAKER_03]: They had loveland like on a
39:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Caleb, I mean, he has the arm strength.
39:46
[SPEAKER_03]: He could have hit it.
39:48
[SPEAKER_03]: He opted for the, you know, the underneath toss that I remember who it was to.
39:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And it got a reception.
39:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It got yardage, obviously, but you know, in theory, you could have had lovelin deep there.
39:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's not just the statue too that he's making an impact, you know, it shows on film that he's getting open.
40:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think
40:09
[SPEAKER_03]: who can create separation, whether it's in line or in the slot or whatever the assignment is against a safety a lineback or what have you.
40:19
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a very valuable piece to have.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that we're starting to see that we're starting to see the vision for coast and level and really coming in.
40:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's pretty exciting to think about.
40:30
[SPEAKER_01]: zipping over to our to be a perfectly honest, something brutally honest.
40:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm in love.
40:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't believe he's been trailing this season.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: 72.3% adjusted completion rate, 136 total yards, 11 total touchdowns to only two interceptions.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He had now has a 12.1% pressure sack rate, which is third best in the NFL.
40:52
[SPEAKER_01]: According to Hayne Wings at Hayne Wings, the bears had drops on 4th and 4th and 3rd and 5th in that last game, plus a few others that were key to list there, but Kale lives still had a 56% success rate, which would lead the NFL over the course of the season, even with those drops, and Kale of has a 12 currently in EPA for drop-back at 0.09.
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is just cool.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and again, you can point to the schedule and the defenses you're playing and things of that nature,
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So to be able to say that you have a quarterback that is 12th in EPA per play, that 56% success rate all of those other stats I listed and that I feel confident at the end of the game go down and get the score you need or at least put your position to score.
41:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just something you haven't been able to do for a while and that's awesome.
41:44
[SPEAKER_03]: No, 100%, I think that's, you know, that's, the numbers really put into perspective, just how impressive Caleb has been this year, a spent-in late game situations.
41:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the exciting thing is with him, is I still think there's a lot of room to grow.
42:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's grown over the course of this year, he's gotten better over the course of this year.
42:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not at a ceiling, which I think is potentially scary for the rest of the NFC.
42:11
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very exciting for the bears.
42:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, when I went back to watch the film, uh, it was one of the most impressive, sub 60% completion games that I've seen, uh, I think it is expected, or his adjusted completion percentage was something like 73.5 so that's like a good 20% of his passes that were either dropped
42:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to see, you know, I'd like to see him get a little bit more comfortable with his footwork on those short dump offs like screens and flats since the swing passes.
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's still a little erratic, but the intermediate game is looking strong with this bears offense right now.
42:58
[SPEAKER_03]: The deep balls getting a lot better.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and that's a very exciting thing to think about.
43:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, you factor in the drops and, uh, you know, that's bringing up the completion percentage of people who don't watch the games, uh, like certain, uh, self-professed former NFL scouts, uh, will say, Hill is completion percentage was, uh, was bad.
43:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that, that, that hardly tells the rest of the story, uh, and there's a lot there when you turn on the tape or even watch the game live, I mean, you can tell,
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: he's hitting his targets.
43:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, you know, sometimes this guy's weren't coming down with the ball.
43:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the one thing that's been really intriguing to me is I think that Caleb this year, especially, I mean, these last two games, I mean, we'll see how he does against better defenses.
43:47
[SPEAKER_03]: The last two games, though, he's looked like a like a great NFL starting quarterback.
43:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't say that that's
43:55
[SPEAKER_03]: like, oh, for sure, that's what he is over the entirety of the season is a great NFL starting quarterback.
44:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel comfortable saying he's good.
44:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I do feel comfortable saying he's good though.
44:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's that's improvement.
44:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That's development.
44:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That's an upgrade.
44:10
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all you can really ask for in year two.
44:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Technically, you're one of the new offense.
44:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's it's encouraging the arrows trending up.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And what about your to be a perfectly honest, what
44:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the one that I'd go with is I think that Dennis Allen gets a little too much hate.
44:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the one that I'm going to go with and look, do I think he's been perfect.
44:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely not.
44:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, I mean, any time that your defense allows over 40 points in a game against 40 roll Joe Flacco.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, you know,
44:51
[SPEAKER_03]: not a great look on you, that's not a great look on Dennis Allen, but I do respect that he's trying to get creative working with what he has, and I think that really showed in the in the blitz creativity that we saw, especially in the last game, you know, we saw against the bangles, but really against the giants too, that ability to drum up pressure, that
45:15
[SPEAKER_03]: have guys like Jacqueline Brisker have guys like CJ Gardner Johnson have Kotler Gordon when he's healthy guys defensive backs who can rush the passer at a much higher level than most defensive backs.
45:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Dennis Allen's done a good job of realizing, okay, hey, maybe we can't consistently get to the quarterback with a four-man rush.
45:37
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how we're going to generate pressure.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to generate it with scheme more of the
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that he deserves a lot of credit for that.
45:47
[SPEAKER_03]: The run defense.
45:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I think has looked better this year.
45:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't quote me on that.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd have to check and see like what the numbers say about it because I don't know for sure.
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But just looking on tape.
45:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's a little bit better than it was last year.
46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And then once you get Tyler Gordon back once, you know, you get Jalen Johnson back near the end of the year, I think that's going to be interesting and we can really see his vision come to light.
46:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Dennis Allen hasn't been perfect, but I think when you consider how decimated his second areas with injuries right now, I think he's, you know.
46:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Inferior defensive coordinators would be doing a lot worse job than what Dennis Allen's been doing.
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean.
46:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Modern NFL defenses are built from the front back.
46:33
[SPEAKER_01]: The Paris have opted to do the opposite and try to build it from the back board.
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Montez, what has actually been pretty solid in the last, you know, called five or weeks or so.
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but at the end of the day, that's he's still kind of that tier two pass rusher.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the Miles Garrett and all that.
46:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw, I mean, Tio Dengbo was good in the run game, but non-pass rush, rushing, you know, we just went talk to a dummy for Robinson.
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have awesome booker, great Jarrett was injured.
46:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you just have not had a pass rush really of any kind.
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go to the injuries.
47:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned the secondary ones, but then we already talked about TJ Edwards, how rough that's been.
47:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's barely played.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, your strength is now weakness, essentially, and you, where weakness remained.
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to cook when those are your ingredients.
47:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think what Dennis Allen's been able to do at a minimum when it comes to, I don't have the exact set in front of me, but they're one of the best teams on third down, you know, that's now that doesn't, you would like to be better on first and second down, of course, but the fact that at least that's true, and the fact that you are still generating turnover, I think is still impressive.
47:41
[SPEAKER_03]: no one hundred percent and i mean and you look at the uh i mean they haven't had as many turnovers like the last week or two but you still see near the top of the uh interception leaderboard Kevin Byer, Tramaine Edbins, uh nation right has three picks and even as inconsistent as he's been it's still good to see him uh you know creating you know forcing these turnovers so
48:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that once you get guys healthy again, like you mentioned, the bears have opted to go from the back to build from the back and then go forward with a secondary heavy approach and so naturally when a lot of your secondary gets injured that's going to make it a lot tougher for your defense to play well.
48:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to sit here and say the bears have had a great defense this year because they haven't, but I think you also have to consider the context and the circumstances and all things considered I think it could be a lot worse.
48:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll give Alan as flowers for that.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, well, in this humor, it's something quirky or funny and we keep mine simple, uh, if you look at pass rating when targeted, Luther burdened leads the bears of 136.6, close in lovelins next with 126.9, then it's John Rysworth, then DJ Moore, then Robo Dunes, and then Cole Comet, then Common Unguy, the Common Unguy, once a while.
48:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to catch the ballman dude.
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then last his ult, uh,
49:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw it for Lutheran Saps go up last week.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I would expect them on say to go up again this week.
49:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be surprised to be out, Saps is a keyous, but I just think it's kind of funny that the two rookies who bears fans have been clamoring to please get on the field more are, hey, look what good things happen when you get to the on the field more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: no definitely.
49:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's interesting too because I made it a point to watch Luther last night in particular.
49:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And I came out of that watch.
49:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, all right, he still got some room to develop as a route runner, right?
49:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's still some times where it can be pretty clear like what general route concept he's executing.
49:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a little bit easier for the defensive
49:50
[SPEAKER_03]: disguises like the one late game reception he had I think it was like a like a deep a deep curl or something like that where he sold his you sold the vertical stem and then he stopped and changed direction on a dime turned and made the grab away from his frame.
50:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure that was in the fourth quarter where it's like all right that's a
50:11
[SPEAKER_03]: legit really good NFL caliber receiver play.
50:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, I mean, they've been really efficient targeting loveland, really efficient targeting burden.
50:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm with you for sure.
50:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that burden has deserved a bigger role in the offense.
50:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sitting here, say, make him wider, see one by any means.
50:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that, you know, if you have him as the primary slot receiver,
50:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, still plays a key is I think that he's not a bad football player.
50:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a really good value from a contract perspective.
50:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still he's outperforming what the bears are paying him in my opinion, but still I think when you have a guy with the upside like burden and the key is just coming off a game where he had all those drops.
50:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the move is pretty clear.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm with you there 100%.
51:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
51:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been a Zacchaeus stand for years and I've always been like, oh, the bear should sign in that kind of a thing.
51:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, I think it's just being targeted a little too often in some critical bounds.
51:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And just sometimes there's personal decisions.
51:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why there was a moment where it was like, I think there was a couple plays where it was just Zacchaeus and burdened out there as the two receivers, it was like, why?
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that decision, but, you know, that's, I'm not being paying to be a coach or a scout.
51:30
[SPEAKER_01]: What was your angle like this, Emerson?
51:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I'll go in a different direction with mine as my cat runs across my screen.
51:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He's playing with my water bottle now, so he's, he's bored of just sitting and listening to me.
51:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, he's decided to find blades to try and interrupt the show.
51:51
[SPEAKER_03]: One direction I'll go with for this humorous is I had a tweet go out a little bit a couple days ago about Kyle Manongai
52:04
[SPEAKER_03]: regarding a so I put together like a fake interview thing like oh he had an interview with GQ magazine and they asked him what his favorite meme was and Kyle Manongai said his favorite meme was Big Chungus the uh so that went uh that went pretty that got pretty big uh the one
52:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, essentially copy and paste to the tweet and then tag to GQ magazine as up via GQ.
52:39
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no article that Kyle Menonga is spoke with GQ.
52:43
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no quote that Kyle Menonga likes big chungus.
52:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he does.
52:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that his uh, his his opinions of big chungus are, uh,
52:54
[SPEAKER_03]: unknown as of this time.
52:56
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was, it's bears related enough, but I think the fact that you have these other accounts that are just running through, they're just running with whatever's viral, they're not going through the process of, uh,
53:14
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, journalistic integrity, whatever, I mean, and like I don't have any, but like at the same time, I mean, if that's your profession, I assume that that's what dove climb and whoever runs that account now, I'm assuming that's the main source of income.
53:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, come on, you could have just looked it up.
53:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, look on GQ, find the whole article and say something.
53:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, take 10 seconds to find it.
53:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was a little humorous because, I mean, anybody who's been on Twitter X, the last two years or so will tell you that aggregate accounts, especially on football are running rampant right now.
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And
53:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think a lot of them really do their homework so that's my that's my little bit it's not related to the bears specifically, but that's just my little bit of rant where it's like come on you know like I don't know.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I, you know, and I would implore anyone who's listening, you know, the best you can try not to interact with those accounts, whether it's a repost, whether it's a, you know, even if it's a comet calling them out and doing some BS on it or a like or at this rate of that, like the less me interacts with it, the whole thing that they start to go away because and I, and I, and I just understand sometimes it's easy because
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: right, taking a bunch of content and trying to put it into all one location.
54:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice as the consumer, but at the same time, it's just stealing content and not giving appropriate credit.
54:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, let's, let's give a, our, our likes in our interactions to the people who are actually putting in the hard work if we can.
54:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
54:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
54:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think that's the perfectly said.
54:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And like I get why people follow those accounts, solely because like you said, Oh, well, it's everything in one account.
55:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll just go there.
55:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But those aren't where the creative ideas are coming from.
55:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Those aren't that's not where the hard work is coming from.
55:12
[SPEAKER_03]: it's an easy way to get clicks.
55:13
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're into clicks, if that's what you want to do, then being in aggregate, you know, I'm sure is a lot of fun, but it's also in my opinion, kind of slimy when that's, you know, the whole purpose of your account is just to not even repost other people's stuff, but to share clips,
55:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And not provide any additional commentary and just, you know, share the exact same thing that somebody else already said and say the exact same comment that somebody else already said I don't know I could go on about that, but yeah, I think that's I think you said it very well.
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56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Kibai, all right, so we're going to get into right into our love it, hate it, rehabilitate it.
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: This is something that we love for this matchup, a direct that we hate, and something that we would fix if we were one of the coaches.
57:03
[SPEAKER_01]: the Ben Johnson revenge part of this.
57:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't gotten to see necessarily what Ben Johnson does at a rematch, right?
57:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That hasn't happened yet.
57:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw what happened when Ben had a week with a buy and how he such he fixed the run game and what that looks like.
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can only imagine what
57:20
[SPEAKER_01]: when he's, you know, going and cooking, trying to, trying to get, you know, fix what it will yield them and we won't let that look like.
57:27
[SPEAKER_01]: There was something on the Hogan Johns that they put out on Wednesday, I believe it was.
57:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were talking with Cole Comet and he had mentioned how Ben that past play that Cole had.
57:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he cooked that up on a Thursday and put it into the game on Sunday.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's just mad science of stuff.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in week one, the Bears had a 317 net total yard, but only 119 rushing yards.
57:47
[SPEAKER_01]: There were three for 12 and third down
57:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a 42.9% passing success rate and a rushing success rate of 34.6%.
57:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you compare those numbers so weeks two through 10,
57:58
[SPEAKER_01]: you went up to a 44.6% in the passing success rate, and the rushing success rate increased all the way to 47.70%.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you can also dive into the other positive bearers staffs.
58:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of them, you know, explosive play raping one, they lead the league in big place for game with 8.67, per game, EPA, all this really good stuff.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I just think, you know, also there's a little bit of I think a thing between Hammond and Floor Prime Flores as well.
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm really excited to see what that looks like, and I think, you know, the lead bed cook, kind of thing.
58:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's, you know, that's a good choice.
58:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the aspect of like that Ben Johnson revenge game where it's like that was his first game as a head coach and then that, you know, they blew that lead.
58:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure that, you know, someone like that he doesn't forget about that, like, you know, that.
58:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hopeful that they'll be able to get their revenge back.
58:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
58:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited for that, too.
58:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the love that I want to bring up, too, is the possibility of the run game.
58:58
[SPEAKER_03]: See how that looks.
58:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that we've seen some really encouraging bits and pieces from DeAndre Swift and Kalman.
59:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad the last few weeks.
59:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, with Swift coming back from injury last week, he settled back into that running back one sort of role, which I mean,
59:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But Monungai, at least now, has a pretty solid role in the offense, and he's run in the ball, and he was great against the bangles against the Giants who saw some encouraging flashes as well.
59:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a good kind of, usually you think of a change of pace back as like you're, you know, you're receiving back your scape back your speed guide.
59:39
[SPEAKER_03]: But Monungai is a different change of pace because he's more of a like a downhill thumbwork compared to Swift who's a little bit better out in space or outside of the tackles.
59:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the run game is something that I've been impressed with the last couple weeks.
59:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I'll admit, maybe it's not against the elite defenses in league, but I think that it shows
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_03]: that Ben Johnson can adjust.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It shows this offense can adjust because earlier in the season, they weren't doing a very good job of running the ball, at least consistently.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they've really turned a corner, you know, like after the buy week in particular.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's my that's my choice for love it.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It's near the bears run game right now.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they have a chance to, you know,
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, negatively, the hate that I have for this game is really anyone versus the open it in past pro right now.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about maybe, you know, is Andrew van Ginklugon go is trying to figure an hour going to go, but if you look.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of team offense and allowed pressure dropbacks, where the player was considered to be at least partially responsible, 34% of pressures are on the open of it right now.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you compare that at left guard, it's only 7% center, it's 13 right guard, you have,
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: 17 and 12% for right tackle and then actually 16% on Caleb.
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So like double the next position position position at 34%.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And also for this defense for the Vikings in terms of defenses that generate quick pressures less than 2.5 seconds, the highest percent of opposing dropbacks.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Vikings rank first at 27.6% per fancy points data just as a little side.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are last at one point two percent and when you've seen the bears often kind of go off the rails It's when you have that that fast pressure.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So you
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the, whether it's, the, the outlets, there's been a couple of times where in the, on the offense, I'm like, where is the quick outlet?
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a little odd.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also to, I mean, we saw, deandres had a drop or two when it comes out of the back.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, but none guy I talked about is past rating when targeted.
1:01:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's dropped some balls.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so he, I'm not super pumped about what that part's going to look like.
1:02:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's valid, and I think especially with Benedict, I mean, we've seen some of the growing pains.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I talk about the
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, the lack of length that can show up on time with him on tape and that can hurt him at the point of attack.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, we'll we'll see how that all plays out.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the Vikings, it's an interesting defense because they're front defensive like their defensive line.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I think is really encouraging and really well built.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_03]: They're secondary.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not particularly afraid of.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_03]: So
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's going to be something that I'm curious to watch.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious, uh, my choice for hate, though, is the matchup of Justin Jefferson against anybody in the Chicago Bears secondary, uh, at least as it stands right now.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's worth pointing out to that Justin Jefferson, like his numbers are, you know, down when JJ McCarthy's the starting quarterback.
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think one, they're not throwing the ball as much, but two, I like, I pull it
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_03]: He's had four games with McCarthy as the starter.
1:03:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He's had Easter past 50 receiving yards in only one of those games.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And he has, in a sit with Wens, it was 75 yards, 126, 123, 79, 74, and then when JJ came back,
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_03]: throw that into the mix too, but I think that even with the down production with MacArthur is the quarterback, I think Jefferson's still one of the league's elite wider severs.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he has years and years of production and tape to prove it at this point.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_03]: He's one of the best at his position and we've been talking about it all year now.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Just how banged up the bear's second area is Tyreek Stevenson has been
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_03]: inconsistent.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Some games he looks like the second coming of Derelle Revis and the next week he looks like a, you know, a backup level performer.
1:04:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and then you have like, you know, nation on right.
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, pretty hit or miss.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Little bit more miss than Stevenson.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can say a lot of miss, but that's just my personal thing.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have the, you have the three picks, but I mean, he's getting pretty, he's getting picked on pretty consistently and coverage.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh,
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And then CJ Gardner Johnson out at the slot, you know, whenever the case that might be, I'm a little bit concerned about what Jefferson could potentially do.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not too worried about what the Vikings passing attack will do, but it's Jefferson specifically that I think has the potential to, you know, make some moves and, you know, keep this team competitive against kind of a porous Chicago secondary right now.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the bears actually did a decent job keeping him in check in that first game.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the lot of receptions, but not necessarily, you know, a lot of yardage or put a kid to touchdown out of it, but that was also in that in the fourth quarter.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in things started getting a little hake wire, but yeah, the he's a scary guy.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_01]: At any point, he could have a 12 reception to touchdown day.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, rehabilitate, um, mine is early down to success.
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are a bottom 10 offense in terms of average distance needed for a first down on third down, right?
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, right, that's saying for a second down, you're, you're pretty, you're not getting a lot of yards.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they are a top team in top 10 team in terms of third down conversion rate though, which is fantastic.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited about that.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those things where it doesn't always have to be so hard, right?
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it have to be converting on a third and eight or a third and six.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you get more third and ones.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that being said, the guys are also pretty terrible at third and short.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're not the QB sneak and some of those are pretty rough.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that that has to be fixed.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, can we keep the ball moving and can we get those first downs on first on second down?
1:05:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to get first down, but, you know, just more, some more consistent through three four yard games to make those third downs a little easier.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I'm with you too.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that, I mean, obviously the more successful you weren't there downs, the easier it is for your offense to string those successful drives together.
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've seen, you know, sometimes the bears, I mean, they're,
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_03]: they can have those occasions where they're not in favorable third-down situations depending on how they perform in first and second down.
1:06:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that'll be interesting to watch too.
1:06:35
[SPEAKER_03]: The one that I'm going to go with for rehabilitate it is the the wide receivers and their drops.
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's something that'll be interesting to see how that's cleaned up against Minnesota.
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, you know, the fact that they played the Bears Giants game was in the snow.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It was outside at Soldier Field and makes it a little bit tougher to catch the football, but still it was they.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_03]: They were on, you know, they were on record for six drops.
1:07:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Kevin Fishbain pointed it out that according to PFF, that's the most drops by one team in a game this season.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And they still managed to win the game.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I expect that I expect it to be not as a grieges of an issue against the Vikings.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that they'll,
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that they'll clean it up a little bit better.
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, having the most amount of drops in a single game means in theory.
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you can only go up.
1:07:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You can only get better from here, but
1:07:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's going to be key to against the Vikings, where the second area maybe isn't the best, but you're playing against those guys and then you're playing indoors and like drive favorable conditions, don't have to worry about whether being a factor.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the excuses are a lot fewer, not to say that six drops in a single game is acceptable, but I think that it's more excusable than it would be potentially now.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I am totally willing to accept that there's a chance that it is an offensive explosion on Sunday.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, you said a fast track, the ball's not gonna be an ice block you're trying to catch.
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And a variety and a list of other things that you just roll through.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there's one other thing I've off that I've been to ask this early and I didn't really like get to it, but how important is this game specifically as a divisional game?
1:08:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, like, can the bear still make the playhouse if they lose on Sunday?
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 100%, but just in terms of, really, at this point, the way the Sannings are beating, who is the worst team in your division and getting that split of that match-up?
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, too.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's close to a must win.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like you said, I mean, sure you can still make the playoffs if you lose this game.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you know, you'd be six and four, like that's still a good record.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You're also, like you mentioned, Minnesota from a record perspective is the worst team in the NFC North right now.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_03]: This is as good of a chance as you're going to get to pick up a divisional win for the first time after losing the first two.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and, you know, you bring up you have to face the, you have to bring the face the Packers twice.
1:09:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to face the Lions again.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Those aren't going to be easy games.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You have 49ers.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 49ers and Eagles.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Those aren't going to be easy games either.
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_03]: the three games that are most important to win, at least to stay in that like in that playoff contention is.
1:09:43
[SPEAKER_03]: this game, the Vikings game, the Steelers game, and then the Browns, because that will get that would get you to nine wins.
1:09:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think nine wins is going to be enough to make it to the playoffs in the NFC this year.
1:09:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're going to have to get 10 wins.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_03]: So you'd have to win every single one of those games and then hope that you win one of the Packers games, one of the Lions games, and it may be the 49ers or something like that or the Eagles.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_03]: If you win the three games that I mentioned then you essentially have, if you win one of those remaining four games, then you're probably in the playoffs.
1:10:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is a game where I,
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I almost kind of want to call every game from here on out of must win just because the NFC is so competitive, especially with, you know, such a loaded NFC North and then you have the NFC West where it's going to be the Rams or C Hawks whoever doesn't win out of that those two they're going to make the playoffs the 49ers are in the mix.
1:10:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't fully count out the Vikings yet.
1:10:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Carolina's mathematically still in it.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I take them too seriously right now, but there are a lot of teams that are winning games right now in the NFC.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that 10 and 7 record is what you're going to need to have to win.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you're easiest path to do that definitely includes a win here against Minnesota.
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, very interesting that you know what's LSU, but interesting you wear your purple hoodie to preview the Vikings, you know, old choice sir.
1:11:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I didn't realize that like literally I think until like 10 minutes ago and I'm like how crap I'm wearing a purple booty right now to preview the Vikings game and it's got yellow on it, so I think right around the time I mentioned Justin Jefferson, I was like, oh, we're an LSU and it's like, oh crap.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe not my best choice from wardrobe perspective, but it's comfortable.
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I'll suck it up and put up with it for the time being.
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of those biking, X-factor for the Vikings alluded to this earlier, but for me, if they can abuse the bear's linebackers, yes, Tremaine Edmonds is tied for leading the league in interceptions, which was not on my bingo card for this season, but I mean, he's still not the most of a very instinctual player.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He can still get got.
1:12:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the difference with him playing the mic first of the will.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Noah's School is a massive liability and coverage.
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw, we won, Aaron Jones had a deep pass up the sideline for a reception.
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about, you know, Mason having a good second half of the game.
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that for the Vikings, and that's not even talking about potentially receivers out of the slot and what that might look like too.
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if they're going to have success,
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good choice to and I know that we've talked a little bit about Noah's who will like he's I don't know.
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we had hopes for him going into the year that oh, maybe he could be the
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_03]: the the third linebacker in a base for three it hasn't been as much of that as it's been you know just TJ Edwards has been hurt you need another guy in those nickel and you know in those nickel formations to have two linebackers out so he hasn't quite lived out to the hype so I think that's that's a good choice for X factor for the Vikings exploiting that kind of advantage that the Vikings have.
1:13:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say that if they can get
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_03]: like maybe like two or three deep ball passes to complete and to move the ball considerably down the field, I think that would go a long way for them.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Specifically, bringing up that JJ McCarthy, I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but I know his average depth of target.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I think last week was a little bit deeper.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't quote me on that specifically, but I know that part of the reason that Vikings fans are saying that, oh, the reason that JJ's completion percentage just low is because he's throwing deeper passes and just a lot of them haven't been completing to this point.
1:14:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if the Vikings can even nail, like I said, like two or three of those deep balls, to flip field position to get into scoring range right out of the gate,
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would be huge against a bare secondary that isn't really all that strong.
1:14:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you can get the, at least, you know, with all the injuries they have, if you can get the deep ball going, whether it's Jefferson, Jordan Anderson, Jalen Naylor, that's Jalen Naylor, right?
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's there.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the third.
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess Theland's also there, it depends.
1:14:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how, I've been looking at his neck count.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I,
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I think Nailor would be the better deep threat regardless.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how they've been playing fail on either, but I think yeah, that's a Nailor was there more than you got.
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So if they can get that going, then I think that'd be huge for the Vikings.
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you're going to absolutely torture this bears defense because they're going to find ways to get creative and put pressure on JJ McCarthy and give him to panic a little bit.
1:15:00
[SPEAKER_03]: but I think if they can figure out the vertical pass in game, even a little bit, I think that'll be huge.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we go move on to the Bears X factor.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_01]: What's yours?
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_03]: big defensive plays.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I think impact plays.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I think sacks force fumbles and intersections.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's going to be huge for the bears because their offense has been good.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel pretty confident that they'll be at least solid against Minnesota.
1:15:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, that's a good Minnesota defensive front, the secondary.
1:15:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not too concerned with at least in how it stands against this bears passing attack.
1:15:44
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense, like I said, you know, the secondary, there's marked, there's, you know, possibility for error there.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you can dial up the blitz, if you can get the pressure on JJ going, whether it's a foreman rush or whether you have again, you know, CJ Gardner, Johnson, or you have brisker, you know, blitzing off the edge of the middle, whatever, excuse me.
1:16:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that could be enough to get an inexperienced quarterback depanic.
1:16:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that, you know, heightens the opportunity for erratic throws, heightens the opportunity for, oh, when he gets hit, the ball gets jarred loose.
1:16:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if they can,
1:16:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, even if they say if they do allow like a couple big, you know, a couple deep passes here and there, I mean, because Kevin O'Connell's a very good offensive play collar is a very good head coach, I think there'll be times where guys get schemeed open.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, if they can still, you know, lean into that turn, if the bear's can still lean into that turn over aspect of.
1:16:47
[SPEAKER_03]: what we saw, what we have seen the last couple weeks, specifically with the interceptions, but also with the sacks and if you can get a strip sack or a force thumble on a big hit, that would be fantastic too, throw a peanut punch in there who knows.
1:17:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would be huge is with the defense that's as, I guess, unpredictable as the bears, it's been very up and down.
1:17:12
[SPEAKER_03]: given the fact that how injured they are, I think that if you can really maximize those ups, then that can kind of help it level out a little bit, even if they do get beat down the field a little bit.
1:17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, essentially it's a must.
1:17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at it.
1:17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears haven't won a game that they would aid.
1:17:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we didn't get a turnover or we're winning the turnover margin.
1:17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my executive affairs, and this is the same as last week.
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm cheating a little bit, but it rains true with this team is don't treat yourself in the foot.
1:17:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:17:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all the students.
1:17:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the little things.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the drops.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the penalties.
1:17:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, um, there's conversations just with how.
1:17:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Dense and complex and how this offense is in terms of the pre-samp stuff.
1:17:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you're getting some of the The flinching and that's why you're getting some of that pre-snap operational kind of stuff, but you know You've seen that when you can keep the penalties and check the bears can move the ball Specifically on offense the bears can move the ball It's only when they end up in first and 20 and they have to try to get all that back that you're really Consistently slowing down this this team.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, just
1:18:18
[SPEAKER_03]: No 100% and I think, you know, like shooting yourself in the foot, that's, you know, the big, I think that's the best way to put it is, you know, like, especially, you know, and like you added all the pre-snap motions and, you know, you get fall starts from guys like Benedict, even Darnell Wright who's been a really good starting right tackle this year, still has issues with, you know, fall starts from time to time.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And then every once in a while, you'll see Colson, love one, get call for something, or receiver, you know, lines up in the wrong alignment, whatever.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that you're just preventing like the little mistakes.
1:18:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's gotten a little bit better over time, but it's still sometimes can be an issue where like you said, it can sit them into a first and 20 and it's like, all right, well, now we got to gain all that back.
1:19:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And it puts your back against the wall.
1:19:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes it a lot tougher to successfully call place in that sort of situation.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's a good choice as well.
1:19:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Just I won't put it against you for repeating it two weeks in a row because I think that's just in general.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a good thing is just don't shoot yourself in the foot.
1:19:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if they beat you in a pure and honest football game, you can live with that more than if it's a close game and you get called for 10 penalties in a game.
1:19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, our last category here, Bear Gut Check.
1:19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Use your gut feelings, your violets by Camouche, of course.
1:19:40
[SPEAKER_01]: To give game predictions against the line, starting with this game, I grabbed these yesterday, so if they changed, deal with it.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Bear has had Vikings.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_01]: The Vikings are favored by three, so really we think about the home field of energy, essentially a push.
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's about fair.
1:19:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It's what they're thinking.
1:20:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Without with adding in the home field of energy with it being a push,
1:20:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd I'd take he said three and a half.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just straight three just straight three.
1:20:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd take I'd take the bears plus three because I think I mean obviously there's the chance that, you know, maybe that the bears win the game, but even then, you know, you're talking about a potential like a one point loss or two point loss.
1:20:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't think that's out of the realm of possibility either because I had expect this game to be close.
1:20:31
[SPEAKER_03]: part of it, factoring in the Vikings, their defensive line, they have some good weapons and then the home field advantage as well, but I think that this is, I mean, the bears are a hotter team right now.
1:20:43
[SPEAKER_03]: They're on, you know, they've won a lot more this year, especially recently in the last couple weeks.
1:20:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that can't be, you know,
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Understated I'm not going to go out here and say, Oh, the bears are going to go win by 30 or something like that.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely don't think that's going to be the case.
1:21:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a fight to the very end.
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the last couple games have, but I feel confident that at least I think going bears plus three.
1:21:13
[SPEAKER_03]: give some margin for error of oh it's just a close game and the Vikings came away with it and then the bears winning.
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's just what I'd lean personally if I had to you know look at the line but either way.
1:21:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean I'm sure it's it's going to be another game that's going to have us on the edge of our seats waiting it out till the very last minute.
1:21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bears had
1:21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: One more player on defense.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_01]: If they had TJ Edwards, if they had a jail in Johnson, because one of those got, and if they had a Kyler Gordon, I think I would be more confident saying I think this can be a Cowboys S game, just because I believe that little in JJ McCarthy at this point.
1:21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that much what Caleb in Johnson and this offense and the running game has been doing.
1:21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: that I think you could have a like a two score win, but I just don't believe in the team that's being able to stop the Vikings and consistently enough to say that.
1:22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I would pick the bears to not just cover but win, because like you said, I mean, in their losses, you have to go blown out by the Lions, but Vikings game was a three point loss, and then the Raven's game got away from you.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was a close game for a wall for a while, then all of a sudden, you know, the
1:22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: floodgates open.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would expect this again to be pretty close, like you were saying.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a nice game.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a night football, jets at Patriots Patriots favored by 12 and half.
1:22:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's obviously, you know, a pretty big discrepancy, but I, I'd take the Patriots minus 12 and a half.
1:22:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're playing a really good football right now.
1:22:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Drake may is playing at a, dare I say MVP level?
1:22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're not a give it to the guy at this
1:22:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean like I if it were up to me choosing like I look at it as all right it's Drake may it's sand Arnold.
1:22:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd have Daniel Jones in the mix, but I mean the last two games haven't been all that great and then I keep Jonathan Taylor in the mix.
1:23:06
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think as of right now, yeah, probably Drake may.
1:23:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that probably be my choice.
1:23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think heavy hitters like the Mahomes is the Lamar's, sorry, they're having either been hurt or rough years.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason I give it to May over darled.
1:23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: is, Darnall has, and it kind of feed off each other, but I mean, JSN is having by all metrics, both traditional and advanced and sane or wider secret year.
1:23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And you also look at the defense of side with the sea Hofstra able to do is, is very impressive.
1:23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And versus you look at what Drake may has.
1:23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
1:23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd finally had Tragan Henderson wake up recently.
1:23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Your other running back just fumbles way too much.
1:23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Your best receiver is arguably the corpse of Stefan Diggs.
1:23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you got your Mac Holland's booties her.
1:23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you have a good office coordinator at the home there with Josh McDaniels.
1:23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, Drake is just doing a lot with less.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I got to get him to not probably.
1:24:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm with you.
1:24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's my exact same train of thought.
1:24:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the sea hawks as a pure roster are way more talented than the Patriots right now.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that the Patriots are winning as much as they are, I think that says a lot about Drake May.
1:24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting, you bring up Josh McDaniels too, how he settled back into an offensive coordinator role.
1:24:28
[SPEAKER_03]: He's fantastic.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a fantastic offensive coordinator and a terrible head coach.
1:24:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Patriots, they've stumbled onto something.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going about it the right way because they have a good coach and they have a good offensive coordinator in Josh McDaniels, but most importantly, they have an offensive coordinator who probably isn't going to get rehired as a head coach somewhere else any time soon.
1:24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: because I don't think anybody's doing that for a third time after how things turned out with the Raiders, with the Broncos, all those years ago, and then, you know, spurning the cults, whatever, but giving credit.
1:25:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he said, but you know, all that crazy stuff aside, all the power to him, he's a hell of an offensive coordinator, and Drake made a hell of a quarterback.
1:25:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's my choice.
1:25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: 12 and a half, I think it's, I think it's going to be, uh,
1:25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: full throttle just blow out.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Jets, sorry, Justin Fields, but it's a team that is actively rebuilding and borderline tanking by trading their best players to the trade deadline versus probably the hottest quarterback in football right now.
1:25:35
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, you know, I know we're sad I'm leaning on.
1:25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a handful of balls weird, but yeah, Patriots for me as well for all things.
1:25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We got four more games to go through here.
1:25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Packers at
1:25:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, so if that's at the Giants.
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The fighting jamuses.
1:25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Jamie is going to throw for 400 yards and three touchdowns, but he's also going to have three picks.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost are a curious laden, because I was in my one of my fancy leads, because I'm like, he's just going to go bomb the way, right?
1:26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's the way he goes.
1:26:09
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, full caught, it's, you know, caution to the wind, just go nuts with it.
1:26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the, that's the, that's the Jamie's way, and it makes for fun football when you're watching and not cheering for his team, you know.
1:26:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have Mike Kafka who, it's a weird situation where he's actually a interim head coach that, and you get the dead cap out and stuff that might happen here.
1:26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But the interim head coach that actually got head coach interviews last two years.
1:26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not just some random guy that, you know, Freddy Kitchens who ends up getting elevated head coach for no day and reason.
1:26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Kafka could have things that got better in New York because of the soft, like potentially been a head coach up candidate.
1:26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is interesting.
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'd take, I'd probably take the Giants plus seven, especially given the fact that it's at home.
1:26:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a scrappy team.
1:26:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that more, I mean, more often than not, you have a team whose head coach gets fired.
1:27:05
[SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's a little bit more energy, usually a little more, we've got something to prove now.
1:27:13
[SPEAKER_03]: to where, you know, yeah, I think there could be a little bit more energy.
1:27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd still take the Packers to win at MetLife, but I mean, Bear's fans, we saw how the giant's looked, I mean, Jackson Dart is having a really good rookie year.
1:27:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if you can stay healthy, like after this week for the rest of the year, I think he's offensive rookie of the year.
1:27:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It's tough with a Booga playing really well, a Tyler Warren playing really well.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_03]: outside chance of lovelin making a late season push to keep playing the way he has.
1:27:47
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think the packers will win, but I think the giants with the scrappiness they've been playing with this year as well as the fact that it's at home.
1:27:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I keep it I think they'll keep it relatively close and the packers of you know they I mean they lost the panthers on that field goal and you know they kept it close with the browns this year like there's been a lot of you know Ups and downs with green Bay so I go giants plus seven.
1:28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
1:28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Drines plus seven Packers so I'm Bagel with that sealers sewers bear by five and a half bears have the sewers next week.
1:28:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you said that's five and a half.
1:28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Five and a half.
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
1:28:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'll go Steelers minus five and a half on that one and I don't feel great about it at all because I see that, you know, the, you know, the, the bangles have done with Joe Flacco at on offense.
1:28:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely gotten a lot better.
1:28:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But I still think their defense is a major concern.
1:28:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if there's any bounce back game for Aaron Rogers and for this stealer's offense, it's this one again, Cincinnati.
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_03]: The last game, you know, is at Cincinnati.
1:29:03
[SPEAKER_03]: The bangles ended up winning by two.
1:29:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the, you know, if you keep that the same, all things considered.
1:29:10
[SPEAKER_03]: If you play that game in Pittsburgh, I think the stealers do win that game.
1:29:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't feel good at all about going stealers minus five and a half.
1:29:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm going with.
1:29:24
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm going with.
1:29:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I've already said it, so it's too late, and I can't go back on my word.
1:29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
1:29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm closing up on this, I'm just for fun, these I'm just a bangles.
1:29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I just let's give them fun, finally.
1:29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And Rod has been playing rough the last couple of weeks.
1:29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That zealage defense is not what it has been last couple of years.
1:29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the bangles may be a little bit energy.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Jadro Burro is not back, but I mean, he's going to be back sooner.
1:29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe there's a little bump there for the rest of the team.
1:29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Last game we got Sunday night big game lines at Eagles Eagles are fair by two and a half if the bears can win and the Eagles win There's our holding first place in the in the division That would be something I'd I'd be pretty happy with that not gonna lie.
1:30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh
1:30:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, I'm not going to go with the Eagles to win this game.
1:30:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go with the Lions plus two.
1:30:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
1:30:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I know my face.
1:30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to.
1:30:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You got me there.
1:30:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you had that on standby.
1:30:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I respect that.
1:30:41
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah.
1:30:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I think the Eagles, it's tough to get a gauge on because they, again, they, that's another team that's been hit or miss where, I mean, they're clear the winning a lot of games, but they're not, you're number one, right or silver on Twitch, like actively complaining about his role and just being like, don't start me in fantasy because like, I'm just going to be useless.
1:31:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:31:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, that can't be good for the locker room by any means.
1:31:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I mean,
1:31:09
[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm AJ Brown like part of me gets it because it's like all right you know want to get your numbers up you want to get your money up, but like you just want to super bowl with this team you're waiting a lot of games like.
1:31:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Just trust the process you know, but you know to borrow from another Philly team, but I don't know I think the lions are going to take this one Jared golf's been playing some really good football.
1:31:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's a lot of the.
1:31:34
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of energy around that Lions team right now.
1:31:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I'm going with.
1:31:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm taking Lions go into Philly pick up the narrow upset.
1:31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The Fives are a little weird with the Lions.
1:31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Not like weird bad.
1:31:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Just weird weird with Dan Campbell taking over play calling duties.
1:31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's also just fun because I think it shows he had probably more in print on the lion even with Ben Johnson there in the beginning, right?
1:32:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the open Johnson just kind of taking over a little bit as as Timon on.
1:32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean that's interesting, but the lions are just a very explosive team that the Eagles like you said, it's been these weird close winds, their losses, they lost to the Broncos, they lost to the giants, it's
1:32:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Eagles fans are actively, like I have a patient as an Eagles fan, and he is actively trying to get their OC fired and hire Mike McDaniel, a little hoping he could get.
1:32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: The golfing is like, I think this Eagles team is similar to the team two years ago, where Brian Johnson was the offensive coordinator.
1:32:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The Eagles were still winning for the most part.
1:32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They got to the playoffs, but it just was this clunky, weird fashion, and then they ended up having to fire him and in hiring, killing more.
1:32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of feel like this might be the same thing this year.
1:32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They make the playoffs, they lose in the first round of a team.
1:32:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They maybe you think they shouldn't have done them.
1:32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to find the Kellon Law or the following year.
1:32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I think picking the lines here makes sense.
1:32:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really good point to bring out the two parallels because it's a lot of the same.
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And that Eagles team with Brandon Johnson.
1:33:10
[SPEAKER_03]: That was his name, right?
1:33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: The offense coordinator.
1:33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon, I don't remember.
1:33:14
[SPEAKER_03]: No, Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson, okay, is Brian Brandon's the mayor of Chicago.
1:33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
1:33:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to requires cross with famous Johnson's, but
1:33:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, uh, yeah, I think that, you know, that team went on a losing streak.
1:33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: There were some concerns about, oh, how's this team doing in the locker room?
1:33:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You're seeing a little bit of that this year.
1:33:37
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't, the Eagles haven't hit that losing streak.
1:33:40
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that against a team like the Lions who, you know, that's a well-coached team, even with the little bit of oddity of, okay, Dan Campbell's taking over play calling now.
1:33:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I still think that the Lions are going to be able to come in and take advantage of all that chaos.
1:33:56
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1:36:11
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