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Scott Peterson Murders Pregnant Laci: "I'm an A-hole" in Bid For New Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Scott Peterson, convicted of murdering
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  Speaker 1: his pregnant wife, Lacey and their unborn child, Connor now
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  Speaker 1: speaks out from behind bars. What happened to testifying at trial?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't get cross examined now. And his
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  Speaker 1: big reveal quote, I'm in a hole. That's going to
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  Speaker 1: help him get a new trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Cop
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  Speaker 1: search the home of Scott and Lacy Peterson twice after
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  Speaker 1: Lacy's disappearance. The second search left them in shock. The
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  Speaker 1: second search leaves him in shot in the last days.
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  Speaker 1: A release, A release of Scott Peterson speaking out. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I've got this best actwords, but to you Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: Director the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert, host of
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  Speaker 1: a brand new hit series Zone seven podcasts, just now
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  Speaker 1: speaking out? Really Shanny have done that when Lacy went missing?
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  Speaker 1: Remember all the vigils, Or he wouldn't speak because he
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  Speaker 1: didn't want his mistress to see him on TV. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: that have been a great time to speak out? Or
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  Speaker 1: how about when he was at trial, wouldn't that have
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  Speaker 1: been a wonderful time to tell what really happened to Lacy.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy while his wife was missing. Would have been a
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  Speaker 2: great time to make an outcry during the trial. He
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  Speaker 2: had all of that time to come forward. He's had
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  Speaker 2: the last twenty years, twenty years to come out and
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  Speaker 2: tell us what happened, who he thinks did it, where
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  Speaker 2: the police aren't looking. He has failed at every turn
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  Speaker 2: to lead law enforcement on the right track.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let me throw a technical legal term at
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  Speaker 1: you share the column. There have been a crap ton
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  Speaker 1: of theories floated out there by the defense, including Mark
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  Speaker 1: Gerrigosligh profile lawyer that represented Peterson at trial, and others
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  Speaker 1: including his family. Do you remember there was the Hawaiian
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  Speaker 1: gang that they said got Lacey. There was the gang
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  Speaker 1: that wanted to get Lacey and cut the baby out
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  Speaker 1: of her stomach. There was that one. Now they're really
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  Speaker 1: honing in on the burglars across the street, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: referring to the burglars that police found behind bars and
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  Speaker 1: questioned and polygraphed those burglars. So he's honing in on
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  Speaker 1: one specific defense now twenty plus years later, but at
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  Speaker 1: the time, all sorts of defenses were floated as a
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  Speaker 1: possibility and then retracted. So it's like they're fishing. They're fishing.
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  Speaker 1: They're always looking for the BBD, the bigger, better deal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were going to let the idea that somebody
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  Speaker 2: cut the baby out, they murder her because they wanted
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  Speaker 2: the baby until the baby washed up with her. Well,
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  Speaker 2: then they had to abandon that. Well, now it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be this orange van. And the van was found
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  Speaker 2: a mile from her home. But keep in mind that
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  Speaker 2: means they would have had to have kidnapped Lacy, driven
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  Speaker 2: her to the Bay of San Francisco, dumped her in
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  Speaker 2: the baby, then drove back to the scene of the crime. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's going to believe that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, you left out something. All that's correct. Cheryl
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  Speaker 1: McCollum to Troy Slayton, high profile defense attorney joining us
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  Speaker 1: from the California jurisdiction, Troyce Slayton, they would have to
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  Speaker 1: the real killer. Ooh, I feel like I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: OJ Simpson again. Ah, Troyce Slayton, the real killer that
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  Speaker 1: Schoyel was referring to, would have had to have done
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  Speaker 1: all that with Lacey's body at the San Francisco Bay.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, Scott Peterson is there fishing. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: what a going.
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  Speaker 3: You think, Well, wouldn't it be nice, Nancy if the
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  Speaker 3: police did a full and complete and accurate investigation in
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  Speaker 3: this case and didn't withhold any evidence from the court
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  Speaker 3: or the defense team. What we know and you've discussed
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  Speaker 3: many times a Brady violation in this case, there was
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  Speaker 3: an eyewitness who saw a pregnant woman being put into
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  Speaker 3: a van, and that wasn't introduced at trial.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you think that's.
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  Speaker 1: An important itsy bitsy.
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  Speaker 3: Fat a pregnant woman being put into a van.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of let me put you through a lightning round.
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  Speaker 1: That's a quick Q and a where you say yes
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  Speaker 1: or no. Troy Slayton, isn't it true that the defense
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  Speaker 1: under our jurisprudence, has the right to call witnesses, question them,
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  Speaker 1: examined the state's witness and more specifically, bring on their
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  Speaker 1: own scientific evidence if they've got any. Isn't that true
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  Speaker 1: under the sixth Amendment? Yes, nay, that is true.
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  Speaker 3: But wouldn't it be nice And it's the government's responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to test all the evidence?
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  Speaker 1: And there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Big issue now, Nancy, as you know that there's some
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  Speaker 3: DNA evidence that wasn't even tested in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what I saw yesterday. I saw a van on
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  Speaker 1: the side of I eighty five. It was abandoned. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, you can go get that van to test
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  Speaker 1: hit too. There's all sorts of vehicles out there that
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  Speaker 1: could be connected to Lacy Peterson's death, but they're not.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you're pinning false hopes on a van
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  Speaker 1: that was concocted in the area around the time Lacey
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  Speaker 1: went missing. You know what, go ahead, do the DNA testing.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be mad if you didn't, because, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: it's not going to have Lacy Peterson or Scott Peterson's
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  Speaker 1: DNA on it. Why because it's not related Back to
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  Speaker 1: the special that is special that has just dropped. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen, guys to our friends at Peacock. Why did
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  Speaker 1: you keep talking to Amber Frye after Lacy disappeared. I
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  Speaker 1: was searching for my family.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to search tea continue stay in contact with
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  Speaker 5: Amber fiden and she would get into the picture of
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  Speaker 5: complicated really to search.
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  Speaker 1: For Joining me is investigative reporter and journalist Susan Hendrix,
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  Speaker 1: who covered Scott Peterson's trial every single day, author of
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  Speaker 1: a brand new book, Down the Hill, My descend into
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  Speaker 1: the double murder in Delphi regarding the murder of the
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  Speaker 1: two little girls, Abby and Libby and Delphi were waiting
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  Speaker 1: for that trial to start. Susan, hen, did you hear
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  Speaker 1: what Scott Peterson said in the special for those of
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  Speaker 1: you that can't see him? Definitely using air quotes on Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: He says, question, why did you keep talking to Amber
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  Speaker 1: five after Lacey disappeared? Answer? I was searching for my family. No,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't. I don't recall him ever searching, going out
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  Speaker 1: on any search for Lacey. Next, I wanted the search
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  Speaker 1: to continue, stay in contact with Amber, I thought, and
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  Speaker 1: she wouldn't get into the picture, complicate it and ruin
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  Speaker 1: the search for Lacy and Connor. So by telling the truth,
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  Speaker 1: what did he think that Lacey's family would stop searching
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  Speaker 1: for her? This doesn't even make any sense. Even now,
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  Speaker 1: under no threat of cross examination, Peterson is still lying.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Just tell the truth. I was having
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  Speaker 1: a sex affair. I didn't want anybody to know because
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  Speaker 1: then they think I did it. That's the answer.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't stop lying it would stood out to me
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  Speaker 6: because I believe that Amberfry really was the key to
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  Speaker 6: this case, and those phone calls that the jurors were able.
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  Speaker 7: To hear, he's still lying.
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  Speaker 6: Throughout the documentary, I found that he had an answer
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  Speaker 6: for everything with a smile on his face. By the way,
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  Speaker 6: and that first slide that we just showed Nancy with
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  Speaker 6: Lacey in the chair with the red outfit on.
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  Speaker 7: I watched both documentaries.
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  Speaker 6: There's also another one out that really focuses on Lacey.
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  Speaker 7: This picture here.
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  Speaker 6: What we realize is that she was at a Christmas
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  Speaker 6: party with her friends this same night that Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 6: took that infamous photo, now with Amber Fry, and a
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  Speaker 6: jerk came out and said, look, as soon as I
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  Speaker 6: saw Scott, I.
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  Speaker 7: Thought, there's no way this guy's guilty. There's no way
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  Speaker 7: he's capable of this.
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  Speaker 6: But then he said, a story was built and it
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  Speaker 6: was circumstantial, but wow, he said that Amberfry and those
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  Speaker 6: phone calls really showed what a liar he was and
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  Speaker 6: continues to be.
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  Speaker 1: What did you observe in the Epeacock special? What did
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  Speaker 1: you serve about his demeanor? Susan Hendrix, It.
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  Speaker 7: Was the same tone to me. I always remember his
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  Speaker 7: voice with Diane Sawyer.
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  Speaker 6: Of oh yeah, just low tone, like he's sad, but
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  Speaker 6: he's not really sad.
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  Speaker 7: There are no tears now.
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  Speaker 6: It was like a joker smirk and had an answer
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  Speaker 6: for everything and pinning it on the cops as they do.
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  Speaker 6: And the investigators seemed formulated to me, just with a
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  Speaker 6: joker smile, this time with the backdrop of prison.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Cheryl McCollum joining me, and I want Karen starting
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  Speaker 1: to jump in on this. Don't worry about Rason. I'm
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  Speaker 1: circling back to you, Cheryl. Just yesterday, you and I
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  Speaker 1: and others were with the mother of Melissa Wolfenbarker. Melissa
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  Speaker 1: Wolfen Barker was murdered many many years ago. It's a
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  Speaker 1: cold case, just got cracked. Her mother and I were
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  Speaker 1: sitting there and we both broke into tears. I gathered
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  Speaker 1: myself because I don't want to cry in front of her,
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  Speaker 1: but I was crying because she was crying. I felt
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  Speaker 1: so bad for her. And Melissa's sister was there, just stonefaced.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen even a tangential victim of murder joke
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  Speaker 1: about it or smirk about it. Now that's anecdotal. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, I don't have statistics on this, but I
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  Speaker 1: know what I've seen. After prosecuting literally thousands of violent felonies,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone joke or smirk about it. Ever.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I go back to the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: I ever heard him kind of list out for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what he did the day she was missing.
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  Speaker 2: He gets home from fishing, or car is there, the
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  Speaker 2: dog is out in the yard on the leash. He
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  Speaker 2: goes in the house, or purse is there, her phone
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  Speaker 2: is there, her car keys are there. And what does
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  Speaker 2: he do, Nancy, Does he panic immediately? Does he start
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  Speaker 2: calling friends and family? No, He takes a shower, He
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  Speaker 2: makes pizza and eats it. He walks around and starts
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  Speaker 2: a load of laundry, only his clothes, incidentally, And then
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  Speaker 2: he calls her mom and almost casually says Lacey's missing,
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  Speaker 2: not is Lacy there?
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  Speaker 7: But he doesn't call the police. He's not in a panic.
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  Speaker 2: He's not out in the street calling her name, running
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  Speaker 2: up and down the street with neighbors. He's letting other
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  Speaker 2: people go look for her. From the minute this happened,
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  Speaker 2: he never freaked out, never showed concern.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here's the thing to you, Troy Slayton.
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  Speaker 1: Does he think we're all idiots? Maybe he does, because
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  Speaker 1: I've only got so far. I've played what three sentences
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  Speaker 1: that he said, and already I can cut him shreds
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  Speaker 1: with a butter knife. It's not even hard. You know,
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  Speaker 1: in kindergarten they give the children the glue and a
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  Speaker 1: pair of those little bitty scissors and they're rounded on
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  Speaker 1: the edge. I can shred them to pieces with a
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  Speaker 1: set of those already, after three sentences, he's lying. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't go search for her. He's lying about why he
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  Speaker 1: didn't reveal about amber Fry. He made a big lie
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  Speaker 1: about why he stayed in contact with Amberfry after Lacey
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  Speaker 1: went missing. He's already told three lies in three sentences.
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  Speaker 3: So he's admittedly an a hole, Nancy, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: he wouldn't want a prosecutor with your skills.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if he's a red rashy ahle. I
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  Speaker 1: care if he's lying, but if if he's lying, he's
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  Speaker 1: covering something up.
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  Speaker 3: If he testifies and you bring these things out, then
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  Speaker 3: it's all about what a horrible man he is, because
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  Speaker 3: he's an adulterer.
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  Speaker 4: It ceases to.
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  Speaker 3: Be about the dead woman and the dead baby. So
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  Speaker 3: this is why he didn't use his constitutional right to.
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  Speaker 1: Testify a trial.
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  Speaker 3: But he says he regrets it. He gives him his interview.
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  Speaker 3: He says he wishes, he wishes that he could, and
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  Speaker 3: if he gets a new trial, I bet you will
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  Speaker 3: see him testify.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I bet he. No, he will never testify because
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  Speaker 1: in three sentences, I've got him in three lies. And
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  Speaker 1: again you're hiding the truth. Why because you don't want
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  Speaker 1: the truth. Truth is, who cares if he is cheating?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ahole, I can't name him. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: a holes on the top of my head right now.
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  Speaker 4: Is that he is person ing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, it's just Karen Stark lying. You
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  Speaker 1: can do a poll right now and I would just yes,
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  Speaker 1: thirty five forty percent of husbands have cheated. Do I
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  Speaker 1: like it?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: Are they killers?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 1: But when your wife is missing and now all these
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  Speaker 1: years later, you're still lying, why because you're covering something up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what.
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  Speaker 1: Because he makes that logical liar, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: That's who he is.
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  Speaker 1: He's a narcissist.
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  Speaker 9: A pathological liar, and do we really want to believe
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  Speaker 9: when he keeps talking about his family, my family, I
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  Speaker 9: wanted to be with my family.
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  Speaker 1: What family?
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  Speaker 9: He was telling am Befry as he kept lying to
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  Speaker 9: her that they were going to have a relationship forever.
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  Speaker 9: And then in this when we're listening to him, he says,
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  Speaker 9: I don't know why she thought we were having a relationship.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I was just sleeping with her. He was
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  Speaker 9: lying over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: That is just who he is.
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  Speaker 9: It's his nature. He can't help himself.
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  Speaker 10: Investigators were alarmed by the state of the Peterson home.
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  Speaker 10: They noted the disorder did not reflect a husband or
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  Speaker 10: father who was ready for his family to return home.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the home was completely shambolic, and I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you I have looked inside the home at the time
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  Speaker 1: and it looked like a little dollhouse, not big, but
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  Speaker 1: it was perfectly appointed. On the inside. I could tell
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  Speaker 1: Lacey had gone to great ooh, great links to make
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  Speaker 1: it beautiful, beautifully decorated. Everything was in place. But when
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  Speaker 1: cops get their all hills broken loose. Now in the
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  Speaker 1: last days, Peacock, in their wisdom, has released a so
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  Speaker 1: called special and Scott Peterson speaks out. You know, at first,
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  Speaker 1: I was totally irritated by this. Why speak now when
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  Speaker 1: you could have spoken at the time she went missing.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't didn't want Amber Fry, his mistress and maybe others
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  Speaker 1: to see he was married on local TV. But now
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad he did, because if there ever
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  Speaker 1: is God forbid a new trial, everything he says can
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  Speaker 1: be used in evidence. Now we just heard him in
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  Speaker 1: three sentences. I got him in three lines, and he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to explain on the Peacock Special why he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to keep Amber Fry a secret. Well, okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is what happened at trial. Sit down, listen.
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  Speaker 11: Ever ever.
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  Speaker 4: Ever?
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  Speaker 11: Mary here? Ever? Hey, happy here?
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  Speaker 1: I want to call you.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Ay?
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  Speaker 11: Right there? Yeah, I wish you could gain I'm on
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  Speaker 11: the eye and that you're there. I'm my year. The
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  Speaker 11: book hour new Dolls, unreal, God, it's you, that's Amber.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.
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  Speaker 11: Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call
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  Speaker 11: you on your knee ever ever?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I hope.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand something. Cheryl McCollum constantly calling Amber Fry.
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  Speaker 1: But by the way, that phone call was during the
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  Speaker 1: vigil for his wife and unborn son. They were holding
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  Speaker 1: a candlelight vigil for Lacey, and he's, I guess backstage,
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  Speaker 1: and he said her name like fifty times. Why, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But wait a minute, he's saying here that
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  Speaker 1: he is in Paris, the Eiffel Tower, Paris. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was in Brussels, Belgium and Maine. So what was
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  Speaker 1: he taking a whirl wind world tour? Is that what
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  Speaker 1: he told? Amber Fry?
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  Speaker 7: You know, it sticks out for me, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Of all the things he could have done, he picked
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  Speaker 2: a New Year's celebration that is a celebration of new beginnings.
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  Speaker 2: And he didn't mention I'm sad that I'm here by myself.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't say I'm missing my family, I'm missing my
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  Speaker 2: home country. He says, Amber, I'm missing you. But yet
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  Speaker 2: he's celebrating. He's out near the Eiffel Tower, just having
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  Speaker 2: a good old time ringing in the new year, and
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  Speaker 2: then says, I'll call you when you lost your mind?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a vigil for his wife? Listen to more?
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  Speaker 1: For me this elaborate light about her missing and that
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  Speaker 1: and that that this will be the first holidays without her.
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  Speaker 3: Amber God, I don't want to play with you, but
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  Speaker 3: you know that tragedy.
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  Speaker 7: Or oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously without me staying much, but we.
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  Speaker 1: Were yes you did, I did, and that it would
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  Speaker 1: be the first Christmas without her, and then suddenly that
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  Speaker 1: came true. Who is Amber Fry? I will tell you
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  Speaker 1: I've spent time with Amber. She's a perfectly nice person,
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  Speaker 1: very nice, who had no idea what she was getting
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  Speaker 1: involved with. And remember she recorded these calls she was
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  Speaker 1: working with police while Scott Peterson was walking free. Remember
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  Speaker 1: he wanted her to meet him at a remote cabin.
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  Speaker 1: Why why did he want to get her away from home,
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  Speaker 1: away from her child during this time? Did he want
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  Speaker 1: to silence her? Also? Listen.
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  Speaker 12: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 12: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.
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  Speaker 12: Scott told me he was not married. We did have
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  Speaker 12: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in
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  Speaker 12: the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto
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  Speaker 12: Police department. Although I could have sold or sold the
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  Speaker 12: photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this
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  Speaker 12: was not the right thing to do, for fear of
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  Speaker 12: jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: comment further.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Set out of three lines, straight out of the chute.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: He's caught in multiple lies. Actually, am glad Peacock created
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this special because Scott Peterson now talking, he was afraid
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to do that at the time of his trial. Wouldn't
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: do it, would not put one toe on the stand.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Listen to this here my trial,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I was dignant.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: So I was so angry at the media because.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: The reports just weren't factual.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I strived not to showed emotion the core because I
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: didn't want to see them break vitia.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and author who covered the trial from the beginning, what
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: do you make of him stating that he was angry
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: at the media. I mean, I've never ever heard him
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: say I'm angry at the person that took my wife.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I'm angry at the person that killed my wife and son.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: All I wanted was to hold Connor in my arms
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and be a family. Never once now he's angry at
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the media.
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: Obviously using that as his excuse to not feel any emotion,
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: and what stood out to me and I thought Peacock
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: did a great job of laying out the timeline and
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: talking about what he did after throwing his pregnant wife away,
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: and what was going on inside of that house and
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: how he was able to once he was arrested with.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: The goatee, the orange coatee and the orange hair.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: They went in and out and he ordered a double hamburger,
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: a vanilla Shaik French fries. It took me back to
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Jurin Vanderslope with Stephanie Flores and the Danish, and you
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: just spoke about what was he capable of doing?
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Was Amber Fry at risk? I think so when you
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: mentioned that, and also in the.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: Other documentary I watched what was so shocking Connor's room
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: when they did that second search filled used as storage.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: He was not waiting for his pregnant wife to come home,
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: his wife and son. Clearly he wanted to erase that
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: part of his life.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: To doctor Eric Ason, joining us startified forensic pethol just
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and consultant, doctor Ason, thank you so much for being
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: with us. Many many weeks had passed before Lacey's body
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: washed ashore about twenty four hours between the two bodies,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the baby's body, baby Connor washed ashore. Lacey's body was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: largely decomposed, not so for Connor.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Why that's because the body was protected.
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: The baby was protected within the uterus are in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: womb while Lacey was decomposing. And so what happened was,
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: while the body was being protected, Lacey started to decompose,
• 23:45
  Speaker 14: the skin of the abdomen started to disintegrate, and then
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: the baby was then later expelled from her torso into
• 23:55
  Speaker 14: the water.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: But she had to decompose first for that to happen,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: you know, Cheryl McCollum.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Day after day after day, Scott Peterson was traced going
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and looking out over the San Francisco Bay. Little did
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he know that at some point Lacey and Carr's bodies respectively,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: would wash ashore. I guess that's what he was looking for.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely he was waiting to see if law
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: enforcement had discovered anything. And it's just crazy to me that,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: you know, first he tells everybody he's going to go
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: golfing when he's looking for Lacey. That first day, he
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: tells a neighbor he went golfing, but he put himself there.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: He's the one that gave law enforcement that ticket that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: showed he put his boat in the water. So the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: very place where he put himself is where they washed up.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And I believe December ninth shows his premeditation. December night
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: is when he bought the boat. December ninth is when
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he told Amber Fry his wife is missing. That's when
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he says, you know, by Christmas, wee can maybe be together.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever he says to her December ninth, to me, I don't.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Think he told her his wife was missing. At first,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: he said he lost his wife and this would be
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: her the first Christmas without her. And then it was
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: only after the vigil around New Year's Eve that he
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: actually came clean. Of course, she already knew Lacey was missing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But I've got another question based on what we just
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: heard to not only Cheryl McCollum, but Susan Hendrix, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: then I want to go to Karen Stark about his
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: demeanor in the Peacock Special Special. Susan Hendricks recall the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: hair of Lacey's absolutely Lacey's hair that was proven. It
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't just a transfer on to those needle nose pliers.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: The hair wasn't just on the needle nose pliers. It
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: was intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. And then there
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: was the issue of the homemade cement blocks. Do you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: recall that testimony, Susan.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, and I remember.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: The hair, of course, could be explained away with a
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: defense attorney if it's just sitting in the boat, right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: it's intertwined in that plier.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: So the theory is.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: From the prosecution that he was adhering those anchors, putting
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: them onto pregnant Lacy eight months pregnant his wife, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: throwing her into the San Francisco Bay. And they were
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: able to show based on that storage facility, they believed
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: that there were five anchors that were made. They only
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: found one in the boat, and that boat didn't have
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: a rope.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: So you have an anchor with no rope.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Where are the other anchors which he said weren't made,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: and where's the rope? Nothing made sense, but they couldn't
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But again you said,
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: and that is very important with the hair being intertwined
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: in the pliers, not just on the boat.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Somewhere.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Chroice Layton, high profile defense attorney joining us out of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson Jurisdics in California. Troy Slayton, what would
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: be your response to a question relating to Lacy's hair? Absolutely,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: her hair, not just a transfer of her hair onto
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: needlenosed pliers on his boat that she did not know about,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. What did he
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: give her a trim?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I would say, Oh, my goodness, a wife's hair is
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: on her husband's tool.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, her hair is probably all over his shirt.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Her hair is all over him. I mean, isn't that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: ignoring my question? Isn't that question?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Was not her hair, the hair on clothing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Just cut his might. I'm gonna try again their response.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It's a subtle but important distinction, Troy Slayton. Her hair
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: was not on the needle nose pliers. Her hair. It's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: her hair. This is a nucleus attached. Her hair was
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: tangled up in the needle nose pliers twined into it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It was not a transfer. That is my question. I'm
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: not asking about a transferral of hair.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: I would say that in and of itself doesn't prove anything.
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: Where's the rest of the crime scene, where's her blood?
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: Where's the evidence of a struggle. Were's all the other
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: things that would be necessary for a murder and.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Disposal of a body to take place. But a single
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: hair caught up in applier's That hair could have gotten
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: there by any number of reasons. There are infinite possibilities.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Nancy, Can I jump in place?
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Nancy?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Those plowers were also found in the boat. The reason
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: there wasn't other evidence is because those anchors weighed down
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: her all and her legs. That is the reason her
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: arms and legs were no longer attached to the torso.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Because she was being held down, there wouldn't be a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: chance for any other evidence to come about.
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: Peterson leaves Lacy a gushy voicemail on the day she disappeared,
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: saying he would see her soon on his way home
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: from the marina. Scott insists that was normal for them,
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: but detectives think it was staged to make things seem normal.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Efci, I thought I was playing golf. Okay, let's hear
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen to Scott
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Peterson quote speaking out as if he didn't have that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: chance a trial, or that chance when Lacey was missing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and all the vigils and all the press requests for
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: him to make a statement to help aid the search
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: for Lacy and Connor. That didn't happen. But now twenty
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: plus years later, he is quote speaking out of course,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: not subject to cross examination. Take a listen to Peacock's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: face to face with Scott Peterson.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a virguts people home, a lot of people,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: and I believe that Lacy whenever there's.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: To see what was going on.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That's many viewers have been, according to reports, appalled there
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: where it's not mine. Appalled at Scott Peterson's demeanor throughout
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the state, throughout the Peacock Special, because he was constantly smiling.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I guess that's rule number one, Troy Slayton. You tell
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: your client charge with murdering his wife, don't smile and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: giggle in front of anybody else. Okay, So okay, if
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you do it with me alone in my office, my
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: luxurious office built on the money of dope dealers, child molesters, killers, okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other can of worms. But don't giggle
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and smile in front of the jury. I guess because
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: nobody apparently told him that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: At Peacock, every single thing that you say, every single
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: thing that you do can be used against you. I mean,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: that's why everyone is given the famous Miranda warning you
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: have the right to remain silent. But oftentimes I've had
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: many clients who get diarrhea of the mouth and suddenly
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: say all sorts of things that might be helpful or
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: might be harmful. But in this case, he's asking for
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a new trial, and the famed Los Angeles Innocence Project,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: based in Los Angeles, they do cases nationwide, has taken
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: him as a client and are trying to get him
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: a new trial.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Many viewers also stated that there's no emotion in his
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: face or body language. In fact, one viewer states, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: think his brain should be scientifically looked into. He's a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: strong case of psychopathy. I think he's pretended his whole
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: life like he's a normal human being. And Troy Slayne,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you tell your clients no smiling
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: or giggling when you're charged with murder. Let's address the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: heart of what Peterson was saying. He says, well, he's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: asked if you didn't do it, who did That? Burden
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is not on a defendant. They don't have to prove
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: who did it? But he goes so far as to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: say there was a burglary across the street from our house. Okay,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix and Cheryl McCollum, both of you have carefully
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: researched that evidence and how it was brought forward at trial.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Susan Hendrix about the burglary?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Is he talking about those three guys that were tracked
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: down behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those guys exactly?
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: There is some discrepancy in the investigation where I see
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: where the defense would of course pick up on that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: But side note, it was never It was not in trial,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: so Garaghos decided to leave it out for some reason.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: But the day that this occurred on there was some
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: sort of discrepancy there. And I think what you were
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: just speaking of was Scott Peterson. The reason why he's
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: smiling and acting weird. He doesn't know how to connect
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: the right feelings, I believe, because he has none, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: he is able to pull the wool over people's eyes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: including his sister in law, who has dedicated her life
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: to setting him free, even got her.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Law degree to Troy's Layton high profile defense attorney in
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, Troy, I'm sure that you, like I am
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: familiar with Mark Garghos. Would you state that he's an
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: excellent lawyer?
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Absolutely?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, what a lot of cases? Right? Absolutely, yes he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: has And don't you believe, since you believe Mark Garrigos
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: is an excellent trial lawyer, that if he had evidence
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that Scott Peterson was innocent, he would have put it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: up in front of the jury. Specifically, he knew about
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the burglars, he knew their names. We know that, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he Mark Gergos chose not to bring it into evidence.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: Why.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: There are many reasons why you wouldn't want a person
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to testify, or you wouldn't want to bring up something
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: that the jury might think is a distraction. Here, there
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: was an admitted burglary across the street, and it may
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: have appeared to the jury if Mark Gerghos is bringing
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: that in, if the defense team is bringing that in,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: that it wouldn't seem as credible as if the government
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: brought in that evidence. So there's a lot of reasons.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I think you've got another career. I think
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you've got a secret career. As a taped answer, because
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you actually came up with an answer about how if
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Gargoes had a witness that could show that this burglary
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was related to Lycey's disappearance. You're saying he would not
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: have put that up because he didn't want to distract
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the jury. Okay, noted.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that he doesn't have enough evidence to know
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: that that was exactly what happened. But it's Scott Peterson's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: theory that his wife went over there not to interrupt
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: a burglary, but saw a disturbance across the street, checked
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to see what was going on, and was suddenly kidnapped.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: wife's murder during the trial.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: In the last weeks, a judge has allowed more DNA
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: testing for Scott Peterson. In the meantime, our friends at
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Peacock have released face to face with Scott Peterson. But
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: here's what Scott Peterson said to our friend back at
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the time when Lacy was missing. This is Gloria Gomez
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: speaking to him kov RCBS thirteen in the morning.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Twin down there alone, I feel closer to her, maybe
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: that's attempt.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: To communicate or something. You know, it can make you
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: feel really close to your wife, not cheating, that can help,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you know. Here's more of Scott Paterson speaking with Gloria
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Gomez ko v R.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: To keep the media here, to keep them hungry for
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: you know, an interview with me or a picture, so
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: that they would keep coming.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Back, so this story won't fall through the crack.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And isn't that exactly what he's doing right now, Susan
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Hendricks right now, keeping his words to keep the media hungry,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to keep them coming back.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Why his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me, Nancy,
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: it's hard for me to listen to that sound. You
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: would think after twenty plus years, right, he's trying. He
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: has a new strategy. He even said about the robbery
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: across the street that maybe they should have brought it in.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: He's second guessing certain things. But I will say he seems.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Almost chip or joking for a moment in the Peacock's
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: special with the journalists like Ooh, I don't want to
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: cry here because you know I'm in prison. I don't
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: know what's going to happen, alluding to the fact that
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to be seen.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: It's tough by crying.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: There's an excuse for all of his lack of emotion,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: but the bottom line, he doesn't have it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: It doesn't exist. He's not sorry.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Doctor eric Ason is joining me renown forensic pathologist. Doctor Ason,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you have performed autopsies on many pregnant women, and when
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you see a guy is being convicted of the murder
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of a mom and her baby, does that have any
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: effect on you at all? Or do you just try
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to put that out of your mind while you perform
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the autoposy.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to put it out of my mind.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: You have to separate the emotion from what you're seeing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: You know, my job is to determine the cause of death,
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: and I entirely focus on that whenever I handle an
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: autopsy case.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I got to keep the emotions out of it. Somebody's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: got to do it, and it's me. So that's just
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: kind of how I approach it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't have to see on McCallum, and neither
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: do you, not at all.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, Nancy, there's been many times we haven't
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: been able to separate, and you know, this is one
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: of those things where when you watch him and you
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: remind yourself that in the last twenty years, all these
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: appeals have failed. No new witnesses come forward, no new
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: substantial evidence has come about. He is sitting there for
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: twenty years and the best he can come up with
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: is my petite, pregnant wife who Caine hardly walked, went
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: across the street to confront three criminals. Asinine, not even close.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean everybody on the panel, if you know differently,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: tell me. I've never once heard him say you know what,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: forget about me. I'll stay right here behind Mars. Just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: help me find who murdered Lacey? Who did this? Never once,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: even in this so called special by our friends at Peacock,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: does he say I want the guy that murdered my wife.
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: Never.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: He's never looking for the quote real killer Susan Hendricks.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Has he ever asked about Lacey?
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: Never?
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: It's all about me, me, me and me and what
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: stood out to me the second search warrant of the house.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: They knew what they had.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: They were looking around to see what was going on
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: in the house, how he was living, Not one indication
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: that he even missed them. He sold her car, he
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: wanted to sell the house right away. He wanted that
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: chunk of his life to go away, and so we
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: killed his pregnant wife through her in the San Francisco
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: Bay and thought that everyone would just move on with
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: their lives, and they didn't. Sociopath and a psychopath, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: I feel like he has zero feeling. The reason why
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: he didn't mention them, and the reason why Lacy's family
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: finally decided Okay, they didn't originally think it was him,
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: thought okay, the way he's acting now we know it's him.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Devastatingly so they loved him, but he has no emotion
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: because it doesn't exist.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: You go on, Peterson, keep giving those interviews, keep showing
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: up on streaming agents like Peacock, because if you ever
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: do get a new trial, which I doubt, everything you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: say is going to turn into States evidence because you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: are a liar and you murdered Lacy. Fancy Grace signing off,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,