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Elisabeth de France and the Holy Guillotine: Part II · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to season five, episode 13, part two.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hello.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: Long time no chat.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: What's up?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: This is part duh.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: We've been at it all day.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: We have.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_03: Don't be tired.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Take a drink.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Have a drink if you're tired.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: Not that that's gonna be a good thing.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: We started the yawning game and that's not good.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's fine.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's only 9 45.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's not we've done way later.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_03: We used to do this so much later.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Remember when we used to do Friday nights like after work?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: And we would start recording, yeah, like at 10.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so we're fine.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're not old.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: We can do this.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're fine.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: We um full disclosure, you were listening to this episode two weeks after.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: But we did record back to back, hence the clothing on our YouTube channel.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um how's your last hour?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's been great.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: We had sushi.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we ordered some DoorDash.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: We did.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_03: No, we actually we we did want to watch the uh Renaissance, I don't know what's it called?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: Renfare documentary, like docuseries on HBO Max.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: And it was funny because I feel like it just came out this week, and I immediately texted Megan, obviously, and I was like, Do you know about this?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, no one has told me about this, no one has informed me.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: No one has talked about this.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_03: Megan has to know.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: And she's like, I literally just found this out 10 minutes ago.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not even, it was the weirdest timing, and for some reason, actually, what you texted me was like, Oh, I have to tell you about this new show.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Is it Renfair?
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because I just finished watching the trailer and being like, I mean, and literally in my mind, I was like, I need to tell Elizabeth about this.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, don't be obnoxious.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: You've been texting her all morning, like, give it a break.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then you texted me, like, oh wait, we have to talk about this.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we were on the same brain wavelength there, but my god, this show.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I originally was gonna propose that like you, me, and Jake and Robbie all watch it together.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, let's do a night together where we like get together because we all are interested in this content.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: But then I was like, I know Megan and I, and we're just gonna watch it as soon as we see each other.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's not we're not gonna wait that long.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: So uh we watched it tonight.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what's funny is the day that I found out about it and it was out, um I was like out walking the dog.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: They came back, and Jake was just on the couch laughing.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, What are no, don't yawn.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Stop.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's on the couch laughing, like, what are you watching?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh my god, this show.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, No, don't watch it.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, we're all gonna watch it together.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: But of course, like, you know, we don't.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we just Jake did join us.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: So Elizabeth, myself, and Jake just watched the first episode.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Rob, about uh not including you.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: You weren't here.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, sorry.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: You snooze, you lose.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts first first initial thoughts.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, initial thoughts.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't really talked about it.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't debriefed.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: We you and I have not discussed, we just watched it and we're just like, what the fuck?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Looked at each other, came up here, started recording.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so I wish the style that it was recorded was more like Tiger King, where it's like very obvious that these people are a little nuts and like filming it from that perspective of like, yeah, we recognize these people are a little nuts, but isn't this funny?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of expected that tone and it was kind of weird.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, I can't describe, I'm not a cinematography major, like, but I just feel like there was something weird about the way it was shot that like made it way more dramatic and over the top than it really should have been.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: I think they might they should have played more on like, isn't this funny and crazy versus like this is serious?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well in the trailer they have that like doom, doom doom, doom, doom, like the funny music music.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: The funny music, yeah.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: That instantly you're like, oh, okay, this is gonna be quirky.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we're kind of making fun of the situation.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's let's take a step back of what for those who don't know what Renfair is, obviously, you know what a Renfair is.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: We know what a Renfair is because you listen to Beheaded, and you know that we all love the Renfair and we go.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's the King George, who owns the Texas Renaissance Festival, which is like the biggest fair in the United States.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's old and decrepit and retiring and very wealthy, evidently.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're trying to figure out like the next heir of who's gonna take over the Texas Ren Fair.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: And this guy's just like off his rocker, King George.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's like mad King George.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's got eyes going in different directions.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, he, and I told Megan this because I'm a weirdo with like the way I keep like, I don't know, record of things and archives and like the way I file things.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, if I were older and a little crazy, I think I'd be like him, where he has like every like his main goals in life are like all filed in different little manila folders and they're all arranged by like like festival companion because he's searching for his like soulmate.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's on every sugar daddy website, yeah.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Which just like I mean, he's he's pretty rich.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: I told Megan, go for it, man.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I kept saying, I'm the one who's married.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: You are legally single.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: So?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like opportunity is in your area because you could marry you are available to marry him.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: I am not available to marry him.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're more available than I am.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm already married.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: I get it.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: Legally.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: But Jake was really behind that.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Jake was like very supportive.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you need to find this guy who's like sugar daddy.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: Go, go find him.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: We were joking.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: There was we were carrying it.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um anywho, the show itself, I get what you're saying.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the trailer made it sound like very much kind of like a satire.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like making fun of it a bit.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, obviously, it's entertaining.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then you watch it, you're like, oh.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: It just had a weird vibe of like, this is so serious.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, it's not that serious.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, make it more fun and exciting, like make it about the stuff we love about the Renfare.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: It just kind of made these people look over the top odd.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how to describe it.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: I thought there'd be more like Renfare culture in it, I guess, of like watching the clips of the throughout the day and like the fun parts of why we do love the Renfair and not just, I feel like it's kind of putting it in a bad light a little bit.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you watch this and you didn't have much interest in the Renfair, this would not make you like it.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or you've never been to one, you're being like, stay away from these people.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're actually dangerous.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go because they're nuts.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not what it is.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'll keep watching it.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: We only saw the I mean, there's only one episode out right now, but I think there's supposed to be three.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be short.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm I mean, we'll see.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think it I hopefully it does get a bit more funny and more like obviously intricate in who's gonna take over the Renfair.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: But right now, like it's just I wanna like it because I like the I really like the people involved.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: I think each person's very crooky and funny, and like I'm not really rooting for any particular person to take over yet.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: But I just like something about the way it's filmed just gives me a weird feeling, and I I wish I could pinpoint why.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they just keep bringing up King George's like sex life.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's like his Viagra and talks a lot about Seattle.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Talks a lot about his goals of finding a companion.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he wants to be screwed to death by a woman.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: This is weird.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just like comfortable.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's just his sheer like yeah, desperation, and he's trying to do all the right things in terms of manifesting a mate and all this, but it just feels like ah, cringy.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, something weird's going on.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'll keep with it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna watch it.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just don't want this to be like if you've never been to a Renfair and you see this show, just don't take that for what it is completely.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, but now it's gonna make me think like, what are the inner workings of the Ren Fair we go to in Arizona?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right, you know, who's King George of Arizona?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Please tell us.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: We have some listeners actually who work the Ren Fair.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like, tell us, tell us about that.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Give us the inside scoop.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: See, I couldn't work at the Ren Fair because like you can't really have fun when you're working.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can't drink, can't drink, you can't.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure they have fun in other ways, but the way we like to have fun, it's like we don't we don't want responsibility attached to it.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: We want to just like wander around and not have time limits or anything.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: So we're just gonna start where we left off.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so last episode we talked a lot about Elizabeth of France and her early life, her upbringing.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: So just to recap a little bit about it, we're not gonna go into depth because you can see our first episode.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but Elizabeth of France is King Louis XVI's sister.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we know King Louis XVI, you think Versailles, you think crazy grandeur, and like over the top living, you think of his wife, Marie Antoinette, and you know, if you know your history, that they were both guillotine, they were both executed by leaders of the French Revolution.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: So a lesser-known story is Elizabeth of France, who's the sister who just kind of gets swept up in all of this as well.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: And she was orphaned very young.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: She was uh raised mostly by a governess and tutors, um, had a deep relationship with one of her sisters.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: And even though she was kind of a like bratty stubborn kid growing up, she eventually became very pious, very much a monarchist, so believes in like divine right to rule, believes in like the hierarchy of the monarchy, all of that.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um fiercely loyal to her brother, like had several marriage offers, but turns them down to ultimately like stay by her brother's side at court.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Very loyal.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, very loyal.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: So at this point in the story, I mean, she's only in her 20s, like she's very young still.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and again, deciding that she wants to very much stay by her brother's side.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: So that's where we kind of left off.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think again, the last episode we touched on the very beginning of the revolution.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about the storming of the steel, um, we talked about the women's march.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I like the women's march.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: The bread is too damn expensive.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those women don't love the prices of things.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: So their response is to um attack the rich and they see them as a source of kind of reckless spending.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so at this point in our story, it's very clear like a revolution is taking place.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Much of the family and like courtiers are starting to flee.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: They're starting to leave and figure out what they're gonna do to like avoid any responsibility.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think they should be scared.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: You should be scared.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of riots happening.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the aunties, we talked about the the group of aunties in the first uh part.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: The gossiping aunties.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: They they all have left to Rome.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so unlike the queen, however, unlike Marie Antoinette, Elizabeth does actually have a good reputation amongst the public.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: So she thinks she's thinking maybe that could save her at some point.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, even though she's a fierce monarchist and very loyal, I think in the back of her head, she's like, Well, I don't live this lavish lifestyle.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm rarely at court, so like I'm gonna stay my by my brother's side, but I'm not necessarily a bad person.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: And she's very virtuous.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: She has stayed unmarried.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: She's very religious.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: So like she thinks she's like, I think that I think they like me, which they do.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: To your point, they do.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: They do like the public does like her from what they know of her.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so at this point in our story, it's June 1791.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so there's this unsuccessful attempt for the royal family to actually leave the palace.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: They're trying to just like like take themselves away from the situation altogether.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: And Elizabeth is with them because again, she won't leave her brother's side.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wherever Louis goes, she goes.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: But they're stopped at Varaine, if I'm saying that correctly.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: And at Varaine, they're essentially stopped by people leading the revolt and they're like forced to go back.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, nope, nice try.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: We know it's you, we know you're escaping, like, turn around and you're not going anywhere.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: Once they're caught, um, she's even urged by like Louis himself and the family to join the aunts in in Rome.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, Okay, we get it, you're loyal, understood, but like save yourself, go to Rome, you don't have to be here.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: And she refused and said, There are certain positions in which one cannot dispose oneself, and such is mine.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and and such is mine, she said.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: The line I should follow is traced so clearly by Providence that I must remain faithful to it.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: So she's basically saying, like, at this point, there's no escape.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm with you till the end, and whatever that brings, I'm here.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's deep.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: She played a pretty important part in this whole flight to Varange as well.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: So on the way back, so they get stopped by this the revoltists, the emissionies, and three of them join in the carriage with the royal family, saying, No, no, no, no, no, like not so fast.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go back to Paris, we're gonna escort you, and they join inside of their carriage.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole way home, because they have a few hours to talk, like over the span of several hours, uh, our our girl Elizabeth has time to talk to the emissaries.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what I said?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Emissaries.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Emissaries?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: What are you trying to say?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see the word.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Emissaries.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like a missionaries.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're on a mission.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you can call them whatever you want.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Missionar missionaries.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: The first time you said it, I was like, yeah, I guess that's a word.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because I've corrected you and I've been wrong, so I just let you roll.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the confidence.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, emissionaries, go ahead.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, she had time to actually like justify why they were trying to leave.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's pretty well documented in one of their uh memoirs about this conversation that she had on the way home with them.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Very spoken.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Very, yeah, she was very convincing to the point where he was like, Yeah, I like her, like I get it, but we're still like we we still have a job to do.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're still gonna escort them back and put them under surveillance surveillance, and they're not free people to just leave the city whenever they want.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I thought that was kind of funny.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I do feel like that comes back to her inflexibility and her kind of like her strong will, this mindset of being pretty determined.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: So and again, she's very well educated, she's very logical, and I think she can just put together very convincing arguments, and she's got obviously religion in her corner.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I think people feel a very good sense of like calmness around her.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: They they sense that she's being rational, she's not being like overly emotional or like crazy or talking about something that people can't relate to.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: She's very much like she lays things out very clearly and very logically, and she's like, hey, here's what I think.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: And everyone's like, Yeah, yeah, that's good, like that's right.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: But and that comes back again later in this story that that that skill that she has.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um so then we're looking at about a year later, which this is like dragging on for a while.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like it when you when you read about the events, it sounds like it's like boom, boom, boom, then this happened, this happened.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: They are pretty spanned out.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is over the course of years.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: So fast forward one year from that event, June 20th, 1792.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I'm gonna say this wrong even with my Duolingo French.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I believe in you.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but this is at Tulier's Palace.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is where there's another kind of I guess storming of the palace where people are wanting to come in, they're demanding an audience with the king, and this is kind of the last act that happens, I guess, without bloodshed.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of the last real demonstration that's I don't want to say peaceful, because it's not peaceful, they're still storming it, but there's no bloodshed quite yet.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: And at this point, I think Louie just kind of lets in the demonstrators, right?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty much.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's the demonstration of the 20th of June.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they have hatchets and they're trying to break into the doors.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Bloodless, don't worry.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Bloodless.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: They have hatchets and they have weapons.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was intended to be but bloodless.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think Elizabeth attributed to that, and I'll and we'll get into why.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: But Louis goes, yeah, just let him in, like, come on.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they're probably like, whoa, like they're they're actually opening the doors for us.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, like we're coming in and they get all the way into his personal apartments.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: And there's these large tall windows, right?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: And these little like cubbies and benches inside.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: And Louis gets inside of one of these to kind of like be the center of attention to stand up and to have everyone look at him, and they're trying to convince him to change the policies.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he kind of like listens to it's like, oh, I don't know.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, but but no, and he's pretty calm.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's pretty calm, which is impressive.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and it what's funny is the this like mob we'll call them.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: They uh Marie Antoinette was not there, right?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: But Elizabeth was, and they thought that Elizabeth was Marie Antoinette.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess from like some portraits we saw, they look pretty similar.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: They look very similar.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, especially because with the with the yeah, the wigs and the style, like the fashion, like it they they look pretty damn similar.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of the portraits don't look like each other, even.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: So we saw a bunch of portraits of Elizabeth and all of them look different from each other.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like those compared to the Elizabet or the Marie Antoinette ones, you're like, Yeah, I could see the confusion.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Elizabeth was calm, even though they were being like, You're the queen and we want to kill you.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, do not enlighten them.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: They save do not enlighten them.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Save them from greater crime.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that interesting?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, don't tell them because save them from greater crime.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Of murdering.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: The queen?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: But how are you saving them?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I guess because if they if they kill her, it's not redicide.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're not killing the queen.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: And don't enlighten don't tell them who I actually am, just like let them kill me and save them from pretty damn bold.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Dang.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pretty pretty fearless.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and she she she even was like so calm to the point where there was like a male royalist who was attempting to protect the king who just like passed out.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: And she took the time to like revive him with like smelling salt.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, oh no, you're fine.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: And like she was just this calm.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this like calm presence, like going to the aid of the soldiers who are there to protect the king.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's just a mob and they have some weapons.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: One one guy is pointing a bayonet at her and she just like moves it, like, pushes it away.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, please don't point that at me.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, like, let's be cool here.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're kind of like, whoa, like this woman.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like she she like puts this calmness throughout the entire room.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: She changes the entire mood.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it almost becomes funny.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of like the famous time when Louie is they're trying to humble Louie and they give him this like red cap that we've taught we talked about in the Louis XVI episode, right?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's the hat, it's this like iconic red hat that was symbolic of the reformists.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: There's a name for it, wasn't there?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: There probably was.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't tell you the name.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like, it almost looks like a little Santa hat.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's kind of silly looking, right?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he lets them say their piece, and then he he he is very again like pretty mild, and he just goes, This is neither the method nor the moment to obtain it of me in regards to him trying to change all these policies.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like this isn't the time, the place, or the way to do it of how if I'm ever gonna change the policy, it's not gonna be this situation with my red cap.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with bayonets paid pointed at me.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then this like half-drunken workman workman hands him a glass of wine.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he drinks the glass of wine, puts this cap on, and the crowd just like applauds.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like they get a kick out of it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Clap, clap.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, they get a kick out of it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think they kind of see a glimpse of his personality and his humor a little bit, where he's like, guys, this isn't the way to do it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let me give me the cap, I'll put the cap on, I'll drink this glass of wine, and we all go, hey yeah, that was fun.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh lord, people just need entertainment, I think.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: But they did give credit to Elizabeth on why there was no bloodshed.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: After the situation was done, one of the revolutionists who was a woman who was there, she said, There was nothing to be done today.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Their good Saint Genevieve was there.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they referred to Elizabeth of France as Saint Genevieve.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: This virginal, calming, saintly, exactly.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, even if we wanted to, we couldn't because she was controlling the Situation in that room at the time.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why haven't we not heard about this woman before?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I'm like surprised that this is one of the first times our prior listeners are hearing about her.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like researching this is the first time we really just used maybe everyone knows about her but us.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: No, because she's not in any like films or movies that I've seen.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and I know she was much younger than Louie and Marie Antoinette, which is maybe why they didn't highlight her as a character.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: I guess she was the first one.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: At this point, at this point, she is in her 20s.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like she is making a name for herself.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: She's well known amongst the public.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: She's obviously a very calming, logical presence anywhere she goes.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just like, why is this such a secret?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: What a cool character, right?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: She's 25 at this time.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And just completely controlled a room of mob, uh, like an entire mob riot.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Angry mob.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to point guns at them.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, come on, guys, really.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Let's not do this right now.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and even though she was very calm, like in the moment in these situations, again, I think with each like storming, with each confrontation, with each, you know, stopping of the escape, like she realizes that hope is unlikely.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she realizes that her fate is probably not a good one.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: And so she does spend most of her days when she's not being attacked, like in prayer.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: She's like deep in prayer all the time, just kind of hoping that her and her family are going to be safe or at least have swift endings if it comes to that.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that's like where her head's at is like a miracle is unlikely at this point.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: She's just a realist.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so August 10th of the same year, 1792, uh, they do attempt to seek refuge elsewhere.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: They go to the National Assembly.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: But again, with our other episodes, we've discussed this, they're essentially taken again.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're they it's not a successful, I don't want to call it an escape, but their refuge is just like shut down again.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's just becoming bleak.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: She witnesses the dethronement of her brother.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a little meh.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like things aren't looking so great.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she continues to follow the family while they're putting them under surveillance.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember surveillance um in these different palaces.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: At one point at one of the palaces, they can hear women shouting outside of the windows, um, saying that they want the heads of Marie, Louis, and Elizabeth.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: They pull her into this, like she's such a significant person at this point.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Where I always thought, like, yeah, down with the king, down with the queen, down with the king's sister.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because she was just kind of in the picture this whole time by their side.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And Louis responds to these women.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: He says, What have they done to them?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: As in referring to what has Marie, my wife, and Elizabeth, my sister, done to these women.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: They move the family to Temple Tower.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't good.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is the end.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is the end of the end.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: The end of the end of the end.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: So January 1793 rolls around.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: And King Louis is executed.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: He's already dethroned, obviously, before that, but now it's the end of his life.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: And so at this point, like all the rest of the monarchs know that that's pretty much gonna be their fate, unless, again, something just like but the revolution stops, or someone is saved, or something, but every day that is looking less likely for everyone.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was definitely once the king is beheaded.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just realize like it's a matter of time.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: At their point, like at that point, the focus is like maybe save the children, you know, or like figure out uh how you're gonna settle your affairs and anything after this is all done.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're separated from Marie Antoinette's son, Elizabeth's nephew, at this point.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, once the king is gone, they get separated, but they're still left.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: So right now, then it is Elizabeth, Marie Antoinette, and their daughter, Marie, her daughter, their marie.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Marie Theresa.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Marie Therese, um, until Marie Antoinette gets removed.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: So at this point, same year, 1793, in October, October 16th, Marie Antoinette isn't executed.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Again, we've done these stories separate.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: See our previous work.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you're interested, go give it a listen.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I don't know how true this is, but we read that the last letter Marie Antoinette wrote was addressed to Elizabeth.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: And it just never made it to her, like it was never delivered.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to know what that letter said.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thinking it was probably more of a goodbye letter.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, take care of my daughter.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right, maybe a little instruction on like what to do next.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but Elizabeth was kept completely ignorant of Marie Antoinette's death.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: She had no idea.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't get the letter, she didn't know she died, like nobody told her anything.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, at this point, too, like her servants are kind of removed from her service, so she's not even like able to get letters out or letters in.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: She's not able to communicate with the outside world.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: So all she's hearing is what whoever's holding her hostage essentially is like telling her.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, they're trying to communicate through the servants, right?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: But servants are gone.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: The servants leave, and yeah, and and again, like we we focus so much on Marie Antoinette that we did look into like the outcome of her children, but I didn't realize Marie Therse was staying with Elizabeth in Temple Tower during all of this.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: So after her mother is executed, she's with her aunt.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Auntie Elizabeth.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Auntie Elizabeth.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: So now we fast forward to May of the following year, 1794, where the trial for Elizabeth of France like officially begins.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and originally I think everyone who had put her on trial was just hoping that she would be exiled, right?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like her two brothers were already exiled, she has no contact with them.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, aunties are already gone to Rome.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but she never really got the chance to like meet with her defender.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is so wild to me.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: So she's on her way to her trial, and first she hugs Marie Therese and she says, I will return.
• 28:23
  unknown: She doesn't return.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have the list of everything that she was accused of.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Secret councils with Marie Antoinette, meeting with enemies, aka her exiled brothers, conspiring against the French people, just like in general, financing the war against France by selling her diamonds, um, knowing of and assisting of the family's flight out of Paris, sure, encouraging the resistance of the troops to arrange a massacre of the people, like so once the people were storming the palace, okay, encouraging the troops to just kill them all to defend the king and the queen.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, all of these are her quote-unquote crimes.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: She denied everything.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: She was also on trial with 24 other people, like co-conspirators, essentially.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just other elitists, elite.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even they never were specific.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's what's funny.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: No one told, like, no, nowhere is it written that at least that we found, I'm sure.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm sure there was a book someplace we just have to find, but but they didn't list out who these people were.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: There was like 24 others.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, who?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like men and women.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like aristocrats, like who are these people?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I think.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just people that they that the revolutionists don't like.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Which is rich, wealthy people who work in the palace and whatnot, aristocrats and dukes and whatever.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but Elizabeth like stood her ground, she denied all charges, and her defender didn't do much because they didn't meet beforehand.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this was just like the first day of it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so there was no sentencing yet.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: She gets put into a set a single-person cell afterwards.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when she was, they're like, Oh, you're gonna have time to meet with your defender, like aka your lawyer.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't worry, you guys will get time to chat, figure it out.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: The trial was the next morning.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: The first time she saw her defender was in front of everybody in court.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: So they like she didn't even have time to like discuss and like get on the same page.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, so she's like, which one's my guy?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like, oh, this guy, this guy.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: So do you know who I am?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I'm like trying to defend myself for?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: Stupid.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so the uh 24 along with Elizabeth are declared guilty.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: And not only that, but they're sentenced to death the following day.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's quite a bit.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's literally, yeah, it's just like, hey, okay, you 24, like, you know, guilty, death next day.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: One of the uh co-accusers was um excused because she was pregnant.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's so at least one person kind of escaped.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: I would have like, I would have imagined every other woman be like, I'm I might be pregnant too.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Could be pregnant.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, who knows?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, right?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's not modern day where you have uh the test to show you right away.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: So you're just like, I could be pregnant.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: That was like the most likely, I'm not sure.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: That was like the Bonnie Reed, the pirate girl.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like one of them was pregnant, so they like held off.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: You would think more women would all of a sudden just, yeah, like you said, raise their hands.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'd figure out how to get pregnant on that day.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I'm getting pregnant tonight, so better not kill me tomorrow.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we're bad.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um, so finally, after all this, they go to a place called the Hall of the Condemned and essentially await their execution.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it's only then when she's like asking people about Marie Antoinette, like, hey, like, how's Marie?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Does anyone know how Marie Antoinette's doing?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: And someone's like, oh yeah, she died.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: They obviously said it in a better way.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: They said it in a better way, but she was she was calling upon Marie, like, I want her here with me.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she should be here.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Can like someone grab my sister-in-law to help me?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was one of the other people, yeah, who was accused.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that this story had so many quotes.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there was a lot of very direct, a lot of recording was happening here.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it says, like, she asked for Marie Antoinette, in which upon one of her fellow female prisoners said, Madame, your sister has suffered the same fate that we ourselves are about to undergo.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Which do you actually say that to someone?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I don't think that's the actual quote.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: Bitch, she's dead.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't hear.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Where have you been?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Where have you been?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like the entire world knows that Marie's when it was beheaded.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm about to be like git in the like to the guillotine tomorrow, I'm not gonna have this like patience and calmness to be.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, but um we're we're surviv are suffering the same fate tomorrow as your dear sister.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm not saying that, chick.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yeah, dead.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: So are we tomorrow?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's dead.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's dead is dead, they will be dead.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Dishonour on you, dishonor on your cow.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, yeah, sad.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: I know, very sad.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so again, at this point, they all know tomorrow's it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um so when they finally actually get to the what do you call it?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: Was it the plastic grave?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: It was the plastic grave.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's where they did all the gosh, that's where the guillotine was set up.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: The Parisians love plastic grave.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: They execute everyone there.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: The spot.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: The spot.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now there's uh Egyptian like pillars that stand there.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's it was like a gift from Egypt.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is that true?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are you just saying that?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm saying.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's the ones that like stood outside of the pyramids and they were gifted to Paris, and now there's like Egyptian.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Why did they put them in a plastic grave?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: To make it more special.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's I'll check, I'll see if I could check it out.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: I saw it myself.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I looked at it and I was like, why the fuck are there these Egyptian hieroglyphics everywhere?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: And you read about it like on a plaque?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: You were like, oh, the Egyptians gave this?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: You think I make this shit up?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not saying you made it up.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: I just I'm surprised it hasn't come up between you and I before.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, here we go, go Googling in the middle of our Egyptian palace Paris.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Costa grave.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Luxor obelisk.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Are you sure that's it?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's from the Lux it's from the Luxor.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're over 3,000 years old, and that's what they look like.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: And gifts.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Read about gifts.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: In November 1830, the ruler of of Ottoman Egypt officially gave the Luxor Obelisks.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: How do you say that?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Obelisks?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: To France.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: In doing so, he reversed a previous gift of the two to a to the birds.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, because on about g re-gifting and giving and exchanges.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they put it at Place de Grave.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's like, what so like what here, that's it.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like what was This is good radio.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at a picture at Luxer Temple, and there's one tall pillar.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: With a cone shape on top, sort of a pyramid shape on top.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it looks like Washington Monument.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it looks like Washington Monument with all the hieroglyphics on it, but there's only it's in front of an entryway, and there's only one.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: The other one is the one in Paris.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's awesome.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: You can go check that out.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that's it in Paris.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: Very odd and to just say that in the past.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I was also confused.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I went thinking I was gonna see some plaque of like this is where like thousands of people were murdered and killed.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, it was like, look at our gift from the Egyptians.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: They just erase that whole part of history.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're like Egypt's super cool.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I truly think it was a cover-up to like, don't look that way.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Look at this shiny big thing.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: Can you imagine in the future at like Tower of London on ambulance?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's just an Egyptian.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's just like the Statue of Liberty is right there.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Gave us this really cool statue.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Look at this.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's nice.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Lady Liberty.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Look at Lady Liberty.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Weird, right?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing to see here.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, okay.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: That was a good tangent.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, back to the execution day.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so Elizabeth of France was, as we can expect from her at this point.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, can I guess?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Calm.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: Calm.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: So calm and collected.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: And again, not just calm herself, but she's comforting everyone.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: Good for her.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: She's telling everyone it's okay.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: She's strengthening morale.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: And she knows because of her nobility and because of her status that she's gonna be the last one to die.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: She's a witness 23 other executions before her.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: And she's just like, you got it, guys.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she's the cheerleader.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's like, you're fine.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, this is great.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna be in heaven.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: You're joining Christ.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, this is great, great day for you.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, don't be afraid.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: All of us are doing this together.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're all in this together.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm making things up, right?
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if she said that, but she did just have her 30th birthday.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: She just had her 30th birthday.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: She's 30, flirty, and thriving.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Dying.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: The scaffold.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: But um, what was I gonna say?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: 30, flirty, and dying.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that's that's not what we're name this episode.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's not that's not right.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: She was looking at me like, hey, pretty good.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and uh we I think we you mentioned this.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: So when we talk about like tutor executions or, you know, British executions, usually the most noble go first because it's like a clean scaffold at this point.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: There's no blood or heads or anything.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: No heads are rolling, yeah.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: So they kind of give them that like luxury of like, hey, you're the first one, you don't have to witness everyone dying.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas it's kind of odd in France that they think that's a good thing to be the last one.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: The last, like, yeah, it's like you're gonna you know you're gonna die.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just get over with.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: I have so many thoughts on this.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, well, we know the guillotine was very efficient, new modern.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: But how long do you think it took to execute 23 people?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean uh n Sophie Shoal that we did was very fast because she was highly efficient, but that was in like the 40s.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: This I would imagine if we're like really talking numbers, I mean, takes them a minute to get strapped down.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe like by the time they get up and they're kind of dragging through.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Three minutes each person?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Three three to four minutes.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: So what's four times twenty-three?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Three times twenty-three.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's still over an hour.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's 70 minutes.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's too much to witness in an hour.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I so like we were kind of comparing this to George Boleyn and the uh the all all five men who were executed surrounding Anne Boleyn's trial.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: So George Boleyn, because he was of the highest rank, he got to go first, and it wasn't just for like the anxiety of it, not having to watch all of them.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Also, the blade wouldn't be as dull.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: And the executioner wouldn't have been as tired.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it helped avoid a botched execution.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: The guillotine you didn't have that issue.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe the dullness, but probably not really.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, 23 heads, that's a lot.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's a lot.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, but I think I do think that's at least good that it's uh highly unlikely it's gonna be a botched execution.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was seamless.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: They they were sitting on this cart, like they were carried in on a cart, and they had this like processing system to get it done.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: So there was the cart, and then at the foot of what they called the holy guillotine.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: At the foot of the holy guillotine, yeah, there was a bench.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when you were like up next on deck, on yeah, they like put you on deck.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: So someone is being beheaded, they pull the next person off and they sit on the bench.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's someone on the bench ready to go next onto the scaffold.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: But Elizabeth sat on the bench, got out, sat on the bench first.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and she was there the whole time sitting on the bench at the foot of the Holy Guillotine, watching all 23 executions.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's intense at the holy grail.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: Holy not holy grail.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: As each person came by, so first was a woman.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess this woman was really upset because her son was with her too, and she was giving her this like, aren't you excited?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you get to enter heaven together with your son.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, really miss positivity over here.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where was this bratty little kid from when she was younger, right?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'd just be like, shut up, little toxic positivity, little miss sunshine over here.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and so the the woman like curtsied to her, right?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then she's giving prayers to each person as they're going by, and then as each person passes her, like they bow or they curtsy and she says a prayer.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's acting like the priest, yeah.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's wild.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and she did have a little like kerchief that was on her on her head, but that blew off.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I think people were able to recognize her a bit, which I don't know how a tiny kerchief could really like hide your identity.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: But I think once like that happened, she was able able to track in the crowd because all of them are wearing these little like kerchiefs on their head, so they're able to see her more easily and kind of follow her as she's going through the process.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but once she finally gets up to the guillotine and like they put her on a board, they lay her down, like part of her kind of shawl falls off of her shoulders.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: And in like very devout Catholic places, you're not allowed to like show your shoulders.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Especially at the moment of death.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: So she literally says, I mean, I don't know, you you might know the exact quote, but she's like, she's like, cover me up.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she's like, I can't be indecent.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: I do, I do have it.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she says, In the name of your mother, sir, cover me.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: In the name of your mother, sir.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: In the name of your mother.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing, you lazy executioner?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's always these little moments like when Marie Antoinette was on the scaffold and she was nervous and she tripped and she's like, I did not mean to do it on purpose.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like she stepped on the executioner's foot and tripped or whatever.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't do it on purpose.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, I did not do it on purpose.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, she's just like, cover me up.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, give me some decency in this last moment that I have.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the whole crowd's about to see my head get cut off, but cover up my shoulders.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the issue.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if they see my tendons and whatnot.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, that was crude.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: That was a bad joke.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's fine.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: But so she then is officially executed.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: And the crowd is pretty quiet when it's her.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: At these types of, you know, executions of um like again, higher society people, aristoc aristocrats, monarchs, like it's very common for people in the crowd to be like, Viva, viva la revolution, like you know, like they're excited.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they're like, Okay, good, another one bites the dust type of thing.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: And her crowd wasn't.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: They were completely quiet, and I think there was this sense of like to be Really need to do that.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like they like they still liked her.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: They still liked her as a person.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it I don't know.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then Robespierre, who was leading this whole thing, but him himself is doesn't end up in the best of situations.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Robespierre even admits, like, I don't really think she was the one we needed to go after.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he seems like he was even regretful that they took her head off.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because at the end of the day, I mean, what was her real crime?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like staying loyal to her brother, refusing to flee, you know?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't agree with the lavish spending, and she was very vocal about that.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't agree with like this huge imbalance between the regular citizens, yeah, the rich and the poor, and those who were in the palace.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: She did a lot to like try to really like in her, you know, how you were explaining in the last episode, yeah, her charities and everything.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was all because she honestly was murdered because she was just the sister of the king.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so, of course, once she was actually executed, which was common at this time, they just throw her body into like this mass grave.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: They did this mass common grave in Paris.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then it was later, I think I don't know if it was her brother.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: Did you say it was Louis XVIII?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Louis the Eighteenth is what I guess he'd be 17th.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, because 17th was Marie Antoinette's son.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're right.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the eight.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: But he didn't last very long.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then it went to Louis XVI's brother, which was Louis XVIII.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, they were both named Louis?
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: There was two Louis.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: There were two Louis.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, wait, hold on.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was Louis, Louis, Charles, and then Louis Louis.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then Clauditas or whatever her name is.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Chloe, we call it Claudus.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Don't say that.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's fine.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: No, not canceled, just people are disgusted with you.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's fine.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, but but he ordered her body be exhumed and given.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: I would actually, I think they wanted to give her a proper burial, but obviously in this day and age, like there's no DNA that they can run on all these like bones and things dug up.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: So they don't know who she is.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, well, here's all these bodies.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they ended up just putting all of the um bones and skulls into the catacombs in Paris.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Which you've seen, you've been there.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Coolest thing ever in Paris.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen it yet.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're going to.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then I want you to find her.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: I if if her own brother couldn't find her skull, I don't know if I'd be so many portraits of her too.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all the portraits look identical.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Figure it out.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: They also are very, very, very um careful that nobody takes any bones out of the catacombs.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'd hope so.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when you leave the catacombs, so the catacombs is like miles of underground just bones.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Bones.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Very well organized.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty patterns and like it got very artsy on it.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's very I like it.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: When you leave, they like hat you down and they search in your bags.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: You have to like take off your coat, like show like I didn't take a skull, I promise.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: What if you tried?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: What would you do?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: They'd probably arrest you.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a crime.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're like disturbing the dead.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I won't do that.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure there's some weirdos who try to get skulls and stuff.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: There's, I mean, after I've seen this documentary tonight, I just there's all kinds of people everywhere.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, but uh fast forward to modern day-ish 1953.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Pope Pius XII officially grants Elizabeth of France like the status of a martyr.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's she's officially canonized, uh, deemed as a martyr.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: So at least she finally got some acknowledgement of like again her fierce Catholic beliefs, like her like loyalty to her family and her country and all of that.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it I think it's pretty clear now in hindsight that like again she didn't deserve the fate that she got.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: And Marie Antoinette didn't get that.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: Just Elizabeth.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because, you know, I mean, we've talked at length about Marie Antoinette and everything, and people have obviously very different opinions on her.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I don't think at any point was she seen as like a devout Catholic martyr.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it was more like, how's my hair look?
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, obviously she had her own kind of silliness about her.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but she was also, again, very innocent and victim of circumstance in terms of like wrong place, wrong time, like sorry, I grew up rich type of thing.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it comes down to, though.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like they don't know another lifestyle.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: They were handed raised, yeah.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: They were handed this way to live in the palace with all their servants, and just the way that she was as a child, Elizabeth, yeah, you can tell it's like, oh, you're really that oblivious to what life is like.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the closest they get to society is like again, their little chateaux that they have where they pretend to be on farms.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's like they're very disconnected from reality.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Marie Antoinette and Louie did reach out to the homeless a lot.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: And they would even like try to disguise themselves and go to hospitals and different types of charitable places.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think they tried their best, but it was never enough.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: No, and it's almost to them like uh again, like not entertainment, but it's like an excursion.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: And to them, that's not real life.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: They're just like, well, we'll go and we'll say hi to the homeless people.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, it's like go to the zoo.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's also like kind of this joke of someone who goes to church and they pray and they have this great service, and then like they get lunch after church, and then they're rude to like their server.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's kind of that same thing of we did our part, yeah.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to really live it and keep with it.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just turn it off, like, okay, I did that.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now let me go home and have like my big fancy meal and everything.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, forget that happened.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: People always joke like the most hostile place in the city is like the church parking lot.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: People try to get in and out of the parking lot to go or to leave church.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: And literally we were just in church about pretty hypocritical.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we're human.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's the end.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's the end of season five.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: How do you feel, Megan?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Tired.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like sitting here sorry if I'm like sounding drowsy.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just, it's a it was a good day of studying and learning, and we watched Marie Antoinette, we watched Lyd Mays.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had a very French day.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: We did, including the sushi.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have any macaroons.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we we had oh my god, we've had pizza, guacamoleon chips with bean dips, and sushi.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Quite French.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Normally it's like macaroons and croissants, and like we really try to do it all, but that's okay.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: And boxed wine.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: End of season, man.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: You bring it, you bust out your boxed wine, and you just put the best.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when uh parents at like the start of the school year their lunches are like perfectly balanced and all packaged nice in the lunchbox, and then at the end of the school year it's like a plastic bag with like, yeah, like a whole package of something, just throw it in there.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Pack of Twinkies.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they like don't care.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um well, here's your pack of Twinkies, listeners.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: I hope you liked it.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm kidding.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I really like this episode on Elizabeth of France.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: And again, unkind of an old untold story, so I hope we gave her a little bit of a chance.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think she deserves two parts.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was a good finale.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we'll be around, you know, through the summer.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've got some things up our sleeves.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: A few things going on.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Stay uh in touch.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: Stay engaged, not you.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I will.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_03: Stay in touch, Megan C in October.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: I I hope you have a nice summer.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_03: Tags.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Stay cool.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Stay cool.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh how did you sign everyone's yearbook?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I always signed it very, you know.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: Stay cool.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: I always said something cool, like see at Waterworld.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: Waterworld was our our water park we went to every summer.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_03: You wanted to be like remind them, like, I'll be at Waterworld, you should be too.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_03: See ya, Waterworld.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a little terrible way to end it.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: LC is is kind of embarrassing.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you have any final words?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Not about Waterworld.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, not today.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: See ya.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: Tags.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: Tags.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great summer.