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Your body is a PORTAL, not a PROJECT | Tamara Josephine · Soul Salon with Ayandastood

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  comparison only if you're this good only if your body looks this way there's all of these
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  boxes and I think completely tear down those boxes it's our responsibility it's just magical how
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  you are channeling your purpose that really just touched me the secondary school was a bit of a
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  challenge for me there were moments where I was bullied if you notice any resistance maybe just
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  why did your soul come to earth do you think dance became a prayer for me I really truly feel
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  that my journey here and purpose is to help people reconnect to their bodies I am divine I'm
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  loved and I'm lovable and I think many of us walk around with the shame that we're not those things
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  remove these layers of limiting beliefs when you are happy when you are connected that is when
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  you're most creative we don't have to be one thing your body is a portal what does the soul
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  mean to you the soul to me is
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  there is so much wisdom and poetry and magic in our bodies and the queen by my side is here to
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  guide us and support us in tapping deeper into dance and movement and spirit and all the wisdom
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  that she can frame far more wisely than I ever could so I am so grateful and blessed and honored
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  to invite tomorrow welcome to the soul salon was so happy to have you thank you so much for having me
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  and thank you so much I'm so grateful to have you your wisdom the way that you speak about
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  dance movement all of the wisdom you bring I'm just so grateful that we get to learn from you
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  and through you have a look the first question I would love to ask you since this is the soul
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  salon is what does the soul mean to you what a beautiful question to start with it's a big one
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  as well the soul to me is the expression of consciousness that is here and existing in this human
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  plane the soul is infinite the soul is it can't be contained really by words or even this vessel and
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  it's an expression of consciousness that informs how we shape and live in this world and also
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  many other worlds to me and other dimensions and so right now in this human expression that's
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  what I would say the soul is this beautiful chaotic messy perfectly imperfect all knowing expression
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  of energy that is us and I feel like when we return back to our soul and we really sit in the
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  seat of who we are in our solvers this there's this home come in and there's this knowing you know
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  because often we're all up here and we're all in here but the soul knows and the soul knows
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  whoo wow there was so much richness and resonance and every word you said an expression of
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  consciousness this vessel this home coming the infinite the ability to not actually capture it in
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  words I just have chills listening to you expressed that because that was actually a poem that
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  was so beautiful and stunning and I love that was them so so much and so for you and your soul
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  what do you feel like you came here to express or embody why did your soul come to earth do you
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  think sometimes I'm like what I don't want to I'm not coming back in the best way like I'm like
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  because you know you know what it's so interesting because this year I feel for many of us
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  it has been that energy of like like why there's been this really deep unearthing and deep wanting
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  for me wanting to really understand like what is the exact mission and not from a place of perfection
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  but from a place of like looking at my gifts looking at my abilities looking at these natural things
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  that I have that I've always possessed that we all possess we all have our own divine beautiful gifts
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  being able to look at them and be like how can I be a service while I'm here how can I be of love
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  and a join abundance soul for me it's interesting because I although I you know advocate and
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  promote dance so much and I've always loved dance there was a resistance to teaching it
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  and there's always resistance in in the path right so for me I really truly feel that my
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  reason for being and my journey here and purpose is to help people reconnect to their bodies reconnect
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  to the truth of whatever that is for them and allow themselves to express not only in their minds and
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  through their voice but also in their body and remove these layers of limiting beliefs or
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  of confinement or of structure that they've given themselves because I've been on that journey
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  myself so allowing people to lead from their bodies with love and acceptance I feel is my purpose
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  reconnecting people back to their vitality because when you are happy when you are connected
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  that is when you're most creative you're you're in your best point of receiving experience in the
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  world you know and we we're missing that in I mean we're missing we've been missing that for a while
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  I think as a collective like that joy and knowing also that joy can exist alongside there can be
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  multiple truths that exist at once joy can exist amongst confusion and sadness you know as we know
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  like we don't have to be one thing so helping people to realise that you don't have to be one thing
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  and you can express and meet different parts of yourself and explore and be messy with it and be
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  expressive and it hasn't got a look a certain way so in in the long shot and about why I feel
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  that is my purpose to help people with that with that joy I feel like you know when there's a
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  table and there's just a feast and you don't know where to start like you are like this is more food
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  than I could ever actually eat that was scrumptious I'm jealous of everyone watching because I'm
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  like I want to take notes you said reconnecting people you're just dropping gems so casually reconnecting
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  people to their vitality who the collective reading of this why that we're all returning to
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  and this joy and holding that duality and holding the the paradox that we can be witnessing
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  and experiencing deep trauma as a collective and also we can make room for joy we can make room for
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  dance and I love what you said that the resistance is always in the part that we are here to
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  follow and embody that just like like there's so much I honestly I'm like I want to write down
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  everyone you just said this is such a gift wow there was just so much magic and juiciness there
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  thank you so much for your generosity I'd love to go deeper into that you know this
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  part that you have been on as a dance teacher a celebrant who are you in your own words if you could
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  give us more of an insight into your world into your work how you bring this wisdom into the
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  collective and we are so grateful to be learning from you so my you know what's so interesting
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  with dance it's always been there and it's like you know that thing of hidden in plain sight
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  and with dance from I think like I genuinely think I came dancing out the room like I
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  say my my like my mom's like you were always dancing from when you're little and even now like
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  I don't live with my mom so when I go and visit her I'm always prancing around like her home and
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  she's like you haven't changed like you were doing that when you were like this big and she's
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  always like oh yeah what what a joy is to see that and my mom's a big influence in my work as
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  well so to backtrack and always dancing when I was in secondary school I really enjoyed primary
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  school secondary school was a bit of a challenge for me and like many of us you know we all have
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  our baggage we all have our traumas and things that we've experienced but I didn't really
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  settle that well into secondary school when I look back on it and there were moments where I was
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  bullied and so blessed in a child me like little me but that was my resilience that was my healing
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  so I remember I'd like have a bit of an uncomfortable time at school and then I'd come home and I'd
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  dance and I'd wake up before school and I'd dance in the morning so I'd like have the this this
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  ritual that I didn't even know I was doing at such a young age at like 1314 where I just put on
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  as a bachelorette girl I'll school dance hall hip-hop and I just put it on and I just dance my
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  little heart away and it gave me the energy that I needed to sustain myself while I was at school
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  and then from there I just was like let me continue so I studied from secondary to six formal
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  college as some would call it and then I went on to do a degree in dance so dance was this like
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  centre of gravity like it was like a point of gravity for me that really grounded me and I was
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  like you know what why not do what I love why not continue that so when I finished university I
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  explored different paths you know different jobs were in education and all of these things and
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  I was training on the side but I just kept returning to dance and then I'd like to take it to
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  the park and I started to dance outside and I started to dance in the earth and then in 2017 I
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  26 under 2016 17 I embarked on my wellness journey and let's find my spiritual awakening you know
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  and I was I was noticing the link of how dance became a prayer for me yeah like I would meditate but
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  then I would also be in this meditative meditative state while I was dancing and I was like there's
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  something here that is more than just fun there's something here that is fueling the spirit there's
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  something here that is connecting and grounding the spirit and then I started to think about how I
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  could fuse well being and movement together and although that obviously it's like a byproducts
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  right movement helps your well being but I hadn't really seen it being done in the sense of
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  let's intentionally use this you know back it back in back in the day and so yeah then I started
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  to create spaces alongside being a well being lead for an educational institute and I started
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  doing my retreats with women and vitamin retreats on the side and infusing I remember that it's so
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  interesting because I remember the day I was like I want to do this and I sat down at the
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  under the edge of my bed and it was literally like the stream like this download I didn't I didn't
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  even have to oh well shut up it just came and it was like do this I like to use blindfolds a
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  light in like my work when I work with people with movement it was like use blindfolds it was like
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  the instruction was so clear so and this was before I you know so there was no
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  there was no like kind of like let me try and get a stimuli it was just like it came through and I was
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  like when it comes to you so clearly it's that obedience as well and then eventually I moved on
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  from my work within education and then I decided to just go all in and continue to help people and
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  now I'm looking at helping more especially coming from a lot of different corporate spaces helping
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  people in corporate as well because we need that vitality when we're working you know we need
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  that connection when we're working and so now I do my own my own workshops my own retreats along
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  with helping corporate people corporate companies forward thinking organizations that want to
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  create more for their well-being initiatives that want to keep people engaged and enjoying themselves
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  and yeah like that's where I am now and then the celebrancy the celebrancy was such a
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  such a kind of segue I was at I was at a friend's wedding and I was like something just was like I
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  can do this and I would love to do this because I love not only like it's cliche I love love
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  but really being able to embody love being in walking embodiment of love as you move through
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  the world and extend it to everything not just human beings not just animals like even the plant
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  that is in her own she is shining behind you like being able to see that and and feel that and
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  then bring it into a space where it's so important so that's a new journey that I'm embarking on
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  and seeing how I can get creative with that and bring more vitality to people's
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  special beautiful one of the most beautiful days of their life you know it's supposed to be memorable
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  yeah oh my word I am just in awe of oh like it's oozing there's so much that you have to that you
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  are sharing with us and right from trace thank you for tracing that line from childhood and how
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  dance was your sanctuary your safe place amidst the trauma of childhood like of bullying and childhood
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  wounding and little you just I'm sending so much love to her and to all our inner children
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  I just want to hold so much love for that part of you
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  and the love you created in your body to hold her and to refuse to dim her magic and her movement
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  and the way that you started off by saying that your mom said that you think or you think you came
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  out of the wood dancing that you just have these incredible lines that really stick with me that's
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  such a magic and I know a lot of dancers listening to this will resonate with that and that fact
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  that you've kept that because I know a lot of the dance community can be so exclusive especially
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  for black women so anti black I have one of my dearest soul sisters friends she has experienced
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  that reclamation of coming home to dance and returning to that space but the the trauma of all of
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  that as well of exclusion and anti blackness and colonialism and all these things and with that I
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  feel like you're what you said about dance being meditative and we were always you know we had we
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  lived spirituality we had spirituality and there has been such there was in that colonial process
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  like such a robbing of that understanding of the body as there's home for spirit to move through
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  and in so that really just touched me and then what you said about sitting on the edge of your bed
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  and just channeling in the guidance of like the clarity you said of this is what you're going to do
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  the blindfolds and I'm sure that unlocks so much for your students and also just the multifaceted
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  way that you're sharing your light like the different aspects of your work and then being a
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  celebrant and being such a love devotee it's just magical how you are channeling your purpose and
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  answering that question of why you know why why is my soul here and leading with so much creativity
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  I'm so curious there's so many places that we could we could go but with this journey of
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  expressing the consciousness through your soul what do you think you've tapped into as like one
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  of the biggest you mentioned limiting beliefs that we are we are holding in our bodies that when
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  you work with people how what do you see as one of the biggest sort of myths or limiting beliefs
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  holding them back beautiful question a huge one comparison comparison and
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  they're exactly what you said like with your friend the touch points dance is such a gift
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  but from an industry perspective and also I think the expectation that society has undounced
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  it's like only if you're this good only if your body looks this way only if you move this way
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  there's all of these boxes and I think within every industry there are boxes right and
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  it's our responsibility in duty to completely tear down those boxes
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  absolutely because for me it was the same growing up I didn't really see anyone that looked like
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  me that was really successful in the dance industry and that did have an effect on my own like again
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  comparison and my own self-esteem when I work with people it is the comparison I can't do that it's
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  always looking at what you can't do over what you can do like it's like yeah but I'm committed to
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  this because I can't do this and it's like but I'm not asking you to do what I'm doing I'm asking
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  you to find the expression within yourself and understand what that looks like for you because I
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  really do believe that we all have different energetic signatures that come out in our movement
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  and so the more that you explore you know it's kind of like that saying of like you have to fail
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  first the more that you explore you're like okay that that's not quite me that's not me like my
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  thing and it's it's quite ironic because I'm also prices but I my movement is very fluid it's
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  a very watery I get that a lot of people are like your your movement is so fluid and that that's
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  my energetic signature but I try to get people to really hone in like what's yours what does that
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  feel like is it is it more strong is it more firm is it is it very clean is it lines like what does
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  your expression look like and how does it feel do you like to move between every facet and form of
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  movement like how do you like to express yourself and then using the move like the music as the
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  stimuli so that you have this kind of like the bodies like the base and like the altar you know
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  and then you've got the music conducting it and it like comes together as this like beautiful
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  prayer so it's like comparison um what else do I notice um a lack a lack of trust trust in the body
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  trust in what it can do um and also this like wanting to shrink and especially when it's around
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  different movements and I collaborate with um amazing beautiful small business owners
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  big business owners but um I collaborate with an amazing friend on an event called net twerkin
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  so clever love an incredible name you know love it she's an absolute gem and we do network
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  in business events but or should I say and we make it fun and we dance so I lead a twerke workshop
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  within the business networking event and also just pointing to the the wisdom our body has
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  because everyone's up here but no one's here and then what happens when we're not here is that
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  this is shouting we're not listening and then by the time we are listening it's too late
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  because we're sick or run down or we're burnt out and I've been a product of that myself so
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  it's a lived experience for me too and this is this is the thing so how can we learn to trust our
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  body more instead of trying to control it and also know that in certain movements they are it's
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  going to support us in different ways you know so I always say to people my forces curiosity
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  be curious about your movement be curious about yourself like get curious or what would happen if I
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  sometimes I I mean I love masses that I live with and we're so on the same wavelength I'm walking
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  and I'll just do a little and she's like oh where did where did I come from I'm like I don't know
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  and she's like I love that do you know what I mean like allowing yourself to just express so be
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  curious be compassionate you know like have that compassion for yourself and others and really
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  have patience and grace with yourself be creative do you know what I mean like get creative with
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  how you move and then also do it in community you know coming into unity RSI communities
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  community unity and yeah I just because we are we're like we're all aligned when we're in community
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  we have the shared vision and goal so it doesn't matter where it is it could be in a business
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  network in space if you're all doing the same movement you're you're actually having a lived
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  experience in that moment it's a sign with any any any kind of space if your goal is to be
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  connected to your body or to figure out something using your body it's like the shared goal and
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  vision that you have and you're going towards the same place so use that creativity or get into
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  communities where you're like I really like this type of music oh what style of dance or I might go
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  to an event where I can see people dance and move that might encourage me to move more you know
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  or it can start in your room it can start in your room like starting your room starting your kitchen
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  start where feel safe and then start to expand you are a choreographer of language oh I love
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  language of movement like your form of expression it just really does something to me I'm obsessed
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  wow the coming into unity was that what it was wow community that's incredible so curiosity I
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  love that I love what you said what would happen if I yeah let me try let me try and then there
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  was compassion I love that because we can be so hard in ourselves that takes us to the comparison
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  so we can optimize comparison into self-compassion into honoring our own what I love what you said
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  being present to what is here what can I do what what do I want to express and then
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  instead of what can I not do what she can do I'll never be able to do that and the the comparison
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  that can live in the body I think that in this culture that we have and I think that's so
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  incredible the creativity we love that in the salsa line I love that so much there is so much even
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  like what does it mean to dance what does it mean to there's so much to the moments we get to dance
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  being more creative about that and then the community and kinship that we are here to come together
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  move together I think that's so juicy and magical and what you said earlier about how we all express
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  a unique energetic signature I said incredible it's amazing I'm learning so much I love your wisdom
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  I'm I'm like wow this is I can I just you know some people I feel like consciousness is like a
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  home and when you walk into some places you're like oh yeah I love it yeah I love the books on
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  the wall I love the paint I like I love it this I'm I feel so like nourished and enriched by everything
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  you're sharing and how you're sharing it so thank you so so much I'm like you pinging thank you
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  this is magical I love that so much okay beautiful so there was those those oh and then you
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  talked about shrinking let's go there because that is so real and you can see it on an embodied
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  level yeah can you like tell us more about how we can take up more space literally and not you
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  know feel this this shrinking even the way we use our phones we're always trying to like it's
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  yeah it's very yeah what's it called I think it's called phone neck or something oh yeah I think
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  that's yeah like what it is it's the shrinking and okay I'll give you a few really beautiful
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  exercises but I I like to I see my interaction with the world as like play when you see things more
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  as play it takes the pressure off and it takes the expectation of the outcome off because you're
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  just playing yes so it's fine like it's right unless you're very very um what's the word I'm
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  looking for competitive but um one thing that I really love to do and it sounds so it sounds so
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  small but yet it's so powerful the art of allowing like allowing yourself so for me I'm a music
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  babe obviously but like if I hear a song and I'm out in public and I'm listening to my music I
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  allow myself to move instead of keeping it like okay like this is the most I can do because I'm
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  in public and it's not acceptable for me to be expressive in public when I see people and they're
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  singing to the top of their I'm like freedom yes freedom because you are using your free will
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  to the max right now and you're just expressing yourself and being at peace with people maybe
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  perceiving you in a certain way so that is the first thing when you're listening to a song if you
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  feel like you want to get a foot involved and tap your foot if you feel like you want to kind of
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  I'm a bit of a hand girl sometimes I'm like I'm like you know the little music County I'm like you
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  know I'm giving a little showdown people and I'm like you know or sometimes I'll like sing and I'm
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  like like a little mind yes so that's like a great one for allowing yourself to be seen and
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  taking up more space yes and another one and now this is a big controversial take us there
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  but I noticed I don't know with in British culture I'm gonna say British culture because I feel
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  like it is or etiquette let's say we apologize a lot I don't know whether you like South African
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  two but yeah and so especially as as a black woman I found I apologize a lot when it's not me
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  so even if you're in public and you're in and you're walking and maybe like you slightly
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  getting in someone's path or there in your path I was noticing that I was like oh sorry sorry
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  and I was like but why am I saying sorry there's no need for me to say sorry there's no need
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  so not from a place of I'm gonna stand in you but just from a place of okay we're just two
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  humans walking and we've just you know ended up in each other's path instead of if someone
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  bumps into me me being like oh I'm so sorry I just I just hold the line and like you know give
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  someone a smile but I don't need to be so apologetic for something that I'm not doing you know
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  so that's a really beautiful one for just allowing yourself to be like I don't need to apologize
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  for being in this space I'm just here and I have a right to be here like everyone else you know
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  and one more I would say with your movement and now I always say start at home because it feels like
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  the safest place but if you start at home and there's a move that you like to do that you notice
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  that you keep returning back to kind of call that like your motif taking it from your home
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  into like a public space whether that's at a party or something like that and and actually
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  intentionally leaning into the movement that made that that you were using at home that made
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  you feel comfortable but taking it into a space where it's completely new and different
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  that just allows you to take up space a little bit more because even when I see I can not I know
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  it's I can normally tell by the way that someone holds their body and themselves potentially how
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  they move before I even start working with them because a lot of the time people and I love obviously
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  I love I love my dancers you know but you you like got it unlocked like you like you like you know
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  a cool you're open to expressing and exploring but I really love working with people that are
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  building this new and juicy relationship with themselves and so a lot of people that I work with
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  it's like you're rigid but not as in oh you're just as in you're rigid in different areas of
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  your life and it's translating to your movement do you know what I mean so it's like oh or again
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  you're shrinking where are you shrinking in other areas of your life because dance is like a mirror
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  that's why I love it so much because it shows us you know and often because people think it has
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  to be so performative they they're getting the again intentionality why are you dancing
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  why are you dancing if you're dancing because you want to be professional dancer and you need to
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  train that's completely different but there are there are all traumas within the dancing
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  industry as well because again how you look you're not good enough thisworthiness but if you're
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  simply dancing for recreation recreationally and for self-connection and community you don't need
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  to be carrying all these expectations of like oh it has to look like it doesn't have to look like
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  anything it gets to look the way you want it to and that's where people get confused because they're
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  like oh you know or if I'm teaching a piece of choreography oh I couldn't get it it's not divided
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  and conquer it's okay it's okay if you didn't get it because the the aim of the session is joy
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  if the aim of the session was slay the movement and get unstage and give me a five six seven eight it
• 30:32
  would be a different story yeah but it's not and so I think with anyone introducing themselves to
• 30:39
  movement there's not the worst but I don't think it's very supportive to look at people who
• 30:44
  have been dancing for years and just find a nice piece of music put it on start to explore and start
• 30:52
  there instead of being like I want to learn this move and that move and that move because again
• 30:56
  within the dancing industry what happens is when also when you're training you are obviously
• 31:01
  taught specific movements and choreography but then a lot of dancers can't freestyle they really
• 31:08
  struggle I'm not going to say can't they challenge they struggle because I can but again it's a
• 31:13
  mental and so it's like I remember one woman that I worked with blindfold she had to take it off
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  because the element of control she was like I need to see I need to see and it's like there's
• 31:27
  you need to trust not see you know yeah it's so interesting wow there was so much magic there
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  I think this idea of releasing control and the dancer's a mirror let's start there that was such
• 31:45
  an incredible insight and window into like how we can all deepen our understanding of what dance
• 31:52
  is I think that really resonates where if you feel like you're an embarrassing person yeah that's
• 31:58
  going to manifest in oh and I'm but I'm an embarrassing dancer or if you're like it's not safe
• 32:03
  to be embarrassing or to cringe at myself that's going to manifest is I have I'm going to shrink
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  myself because I'm afraid of showing up in that way that makes me feel ashamed because of
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  conditioning shame oh big way yeah conditioning trauma childhood and expectations and all of
• 32:21
  these all of these things so I love that everything that you're sharing so so much because I feel
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  like also earlier you said that dance is a prayer and I think that possibility none not all of us
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  experience as like accessible to us and that it is accessible because we all have bodies yes yes
• 32:40
  and so what you're inviting us into with more playfulness more allowing you said oh that's
• 32:45
  such an incredible word you know if I am judged can I allow that if I want to be more playful can
• 32:52
  I allow that can I be a space of allowance for myself and I think in dance many of us come up with
• 32:57
  the fact that we're not spaces of allowance yeah I think also something I'll say is I feel like
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  such an incredible aspect of various black cultures across the world is dance yeah and then and I
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  think that's amazing and it's such a ancestral practice tradition gift which is so beautiful and
• 33:18
  needs to be continued to be celebrated and more spaces I think you know all across the world are
• 33:24
  so important for movements and for black communities to move and we've always done that
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  but then I also want to say for the for the awkward black girls that if you struggle with feeling
• 33:34
  confident in your movement they can also be that additional shame of like oh I should be able to
• 33:40
  dance exactly I feel that way often where I'm like I'm coming home to the joy of dance rather than
• 33:47
  the excellence or the being able to embody certain things you know what I mean and
• 33:53
  trying to become a space of allowing myself to to play and to try and like I'm South African
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  South Africans are incredible that I'm a piano is incredible kiss me like oh my god like amazing
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  and also like I have a lot of shame that I cannot move the same in that way yes let's say or
• 34:12
  and then I'm like oh I don't get to dance to the song because I don't know exactly how to
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  embody that in I mean it's truly divine expression it's spiritual it's it's cosmic it's
• 34:24
  beautiful and bold and brilliant and also an energetic signature of a culture because it also
• 34:29
  happens both at an individual and a cultural level and of just wow I'm I'm in awe but then
• 34:35
  sometimes I think we we let feeling on the outside of something looking into it stop us from
• 34:41
  even stepping a toe because we're like if I can't dive in gracefully and be it yeah become one
• 34:47
  with it I'm just don't get to do it at all so you're really speaking to me to to many of us and so
• 34:52
  I'm just wow and then oh I'm so grateful I want to give you something it is inherent to you
• 34:59
  when you are speaking makes it a bit of national actually because it is inherent to you
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  you're already embodied because it's you're of the people like it's your blood doesn't have to look
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  and that's the thing like the looking exactly what you said the looking you can do the movement
• 35:20
  cool you can do our movement but embody any it's not even about the movement you know like
• 35:27
  sometimes and I'll give an example you can have two dancers that are both amazing in their own
• 35:34
  right one is giving you backflips tricks this and they're amazing one is not doing any tricks but you
• 35:42
  can feel it here and when you feel it here that's what the souls resonate with that's the resonance
• 35:51
  that's the relating and you'll automatically be drawn to that but because you can feel their heart
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  and so to you and any other person that doesn't feel like they're good enough it if it is in
• 36:02
  your heart that's all that matters like as long as you feel it in your heart and in your body
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  that is all that matters you are more than enough and worthy and inherent to being every space
• 36:17
  especially that embodies and is the movement of your people in your culture you don't have to
• 36:24
  you know in a child older child of us received that that was so juicy and generous thank you I
• 36:34
  really received that and that resonates that's so stunning and I've I have felt that you know
• 36:40
  you and what you said where it's about them you also are one with the music and you feel it you
• 36:44
  feel that resonance you feel that connection and I really do feel that with Amapiano and with
• 36:50
  other you know my own cultures and countries music and so it's beautiful I love that you say
• 36:57
  it's inherent there's something that you shared earlier which I think was so magical that I want
• 37:01
  to go tap into as you spoke about joy and public and like dancing and taking up space and as Black
• 37:07
  women in British culture you mentioned I've also experienced the sorry the apologizing aspect and
• 37:13
  then when you're in white spaces shrinking even more and being told you know that you need to be
• 37:21
  10 times better whatever it is you know the the and that's another form of shrinking because you're
• 37:25
  shrinking your human worthiness to make mistakes you deserve to make mistakes as a human but as a
• 37:31
  Black woman in these spaces you often don't feel like you do have that same grace how have you found
• 37:38
  within yourself and the freedom you know to a freedom is such a powerful word to not care about
• 37:45
  you know if someone sees you popping a shoulder you're just you're you're you allow it yeah how have
• 37:50
  you found that it has been such a journey and but such a beautiful gift as well because
• 37:56
  as I said it's like the resistance and it's also often the work that we do as humans having
• 38:03
  souls having these humans experience is the work that we have needed or the medicine that we
• 38:09
  hoped would be there when we when we needed that guidance and support so again I have been through
• 38:15
  the shrinking the feelings of unworthiness and it's not to say that those feelings still don't arise
• 38:21
  but now I have tools that ground me back in and especially with joy people always say to me
• 38:28
  and it's beautiful they're like oh you are such a light like your energy your energy energy
• 38:35
  also comes with when you have a very big like an energetic aura and like presence it comes with
• 38:41
  a lot of responsibility because people unconsciously have an expectation of what you must do for them
• 38:47
  sometimes sometimes people sometimes are gravitating towards you for what they can get instead of
• 38:52
  being able to just witness something as it is enjoy it and move forward and so when it comes
• 38:59
  to my joy and really allow myself to embody that that's been hard like around maybe four weeks ago
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  I was I went full throttle I can't lie I was walking I was singing I was doing a back step
• 39:13
  it wasn't I was doing a lot but this this gentleman walks like we were kind of walking towards
• 39:19
  each other and he was like it was like he was confused but borderline disgusted and didn't know
• 39:25
  what to do like that the expression I could see him move through these different expressions and I
• 39:30
  was like oh this is interesting and remembering and expressing your joy is about being able to
• 39:37
  witness someone where they are and meet them where they are and not internalise what's coming up
• 39:43
  for them and allowing your expression to continue to move through and even if it might feel a bit
• 39:48
  uncomfortable it's like okay but I know that has nothing to actually do with me it's when
• 39:52
  you internalise other people's expectations or projections that's when you get in a very sticky
• 39:57
  place and especially with me I have alchemised and worked through shame especially when it comes to
• 40:06
  whining and twerking you know cultural dances for a long time because even when I was young as
• 40:12
  I said like being bullied and dancing at home I was from very young like I didn't know what I was
• 40:19
  listening to I just knew that it felt good on a cellular level you know and I think when it comes
• 40:25
  to expressing my my joy and my wellness does not look like my joy joy and wellness looks
• 40:37
  loud it looks like a bellowing laugh it looks like a little twerking my satin skirt like that's
• 40:42
  what it looks like for me and really thinking about what does joy actually look like and feel like
• 40:48
  on me you know and then when you can establish what that is then you can embody that more because
• 40:55
  you're like actually I feel I feel really good when I am maybe you know you're more introvert I
• 41:04
  actually feel really good when I'm like drawing and I that's then then that is your joy how can
• 41:10
  I express that a bit more you know it doesn't have to look like someone else but you just have to
• 41:14
  know like what does my joy look like is it very outfacing is it actually more internal but as long
• 41:20
  as it is true to your being that's what matters you know that is a stunning invitation for all of
• 41:27
  us to journal on what is my highest expression of joy yeah what does that look like and then
• 41:34
  where you took us earlier if you don't yet feel comfortable bringing that to the world can you
• 41:38
  start that expression in your room in your safe space and then can you create more
• 41:43
  invitations to embody that in public and then what you said about recognizing and meeting
• 41:50
  people where they are but not internalizing their reactions knowing that is just how they treat
• 41:54
  themselves how they have been treated and how infectious your joy is like you're it's such a gift
• 42:00
  it's like an energetic gift to the collective like as you're moving it's giving us all delight and
• 42:05
  like it's making it's giving us the invitation to move and to think about oh yes like we have these
• 42:11
  rigid lines of this is for movement this is for being quite still and rigid and I think that's
• 42:16
  so wonderful and there's something you said in your last response that I also something is
• 42:21
  thinking for me that I wanted to share when you spoke about the two dancers and the one who
• 42:25
  you know has all the technique but not the soul of it and the essence and the other who has it in
• 42:30
  their heart I think that is so beautiful and such a like anti-colonial look framing of it because
• 42:36
  I do think in the more like colonial understanding it's about like studying and structure and lines
• 42:42
  and doing something that like from this from the mind yeah and then coming home to like the heart
• 42:48
  of it the essence of it the body of like the body of it as in like the soul of something the essence
• 42:54
  of it is what I mean and I think that like is even the idea of being intelligent you know like
• 43:01
  there's people who just have a deep wisdom they know the earth they know whatever it is they know
• 43:07
  love but then someone who studied love has a PhD in in psychology you know it's like it's quite a
• 43:14
  we're really inheriting this this as we all know these like deeply traumatic ways of viewing
• 43:19
  ourselves in reality so so that came up for me I'm just in awe of this wisdom I keep saying that
• 43:25
  because it's so beautiful and you're inviting us to very specific ways we can begin to find
• 43:31
  creativity compassion curiosity community what do you think for the person listening to this
• 43:38
  especially someone who relates to your experience of bullying and childhood and especially maybe
• 43:43
  around their their movement their body the expression what would you say to them and what would you
• 43:48
  say to their in a child you are love you know our highest and most purest form of expression
• 44:03
  we are love and the world you know creeps in and it can sometimes get to us
• 44:15
  well actually remembering like that you are that you already are and I think that when you realize
• 44:23
  that you always have been there's something very powerful about that because it takes away all the
• 44:30
  external and physical restraints you know you can do all the outer work you can change your body
• 44:42
  you can change your house you can move country but if you don't go in and like realize
• 44:51
  that it's actually us like we're the ones like you're the one that's actually
• 44:56
  creating a more hostile environment for your own your own soul to live in you know what I mean
• 45:04
  you already are love we always have been and that's what I've had to and I still tell myself
• 45:12
  because it's like if I'm if if you're measuring yourself by conditions you will always have a
• 45:17
  standard to uphold why not the standard be love you know like why not the standard be love and
• 45:25
  this falls into every crevice of my life and how I lead my life because it's like I used to think
• 45:32
  that professionalism again that lends that that programming was like you're optically like your
• 45:39
  title your status within a company you know how yes these are extensions of expression like
• 45:46
  how specifically how you dress and all of these was professionalism but for me now even when I
• 45:52
  look at professionalism that is love because your professionalism is your capacity to meet someone
• 45:58
  where they are and give them the support that they need from a place of compassion and integrity
• 46:04
  period and serve them in the best way that is professionalism and being honest and heart-led
• 46:12
  that is love that is also expression of who we are so to anyone who is feeling like they're not
• 46:19
  enough or like they're still really hooked on what happened to them in childhood or they can't
• 46:24
  quite work through it or move past it remember that you are love and even if you received conditional
• 46:33
  love in other places you now get to choose to give yourself unconditional love
• 46:40
  you now get to choose and sometimes it is I think as humans we might think so
• 46:46
  complicated you know it's like we need to do xyz bcefg and it's like sometimes actually
• 46:53
  now strip it all away and return to that return to that and I have sometimes I have to tell myself
• 47:02
  this as well like you're getting in your head again look how many thoughts we have today thousands
• 47:08
  so if we measured our self worth by the thoughts a lot of them that are not ours a lot of them are
• 47:16
  you know what we're doing every day scrolling we see advertisements on buses on what like billboards
• 47:25
  again constantly being programmed so tend to your soil know that you are love and now nourish
• 47:33
  your soil with that love you know the little things every day and if you are if you if you
• 47:41
  okay it's one thing to want to be in it how can I explain this it's one thing to want to be in a different
• 47:49
  place and actually starting to just embody that from now and I know that it sounds like a big gap
• 47:57
  but often when we're trying to reach for something we're we're looking at the gap I listen to this
• 48:03
  book called the gap in the game yes yes so it's like how can we look at all the beautiful things how
• 48:13
  can we like just even if it's just the smallest thing how can we slightly just turn our focus a little
• 48:18
  bit you know and return to the love that you've always been return to the love you've always been
• 48:28
  I love how you put love at the center of everything and your work as a celebrant like all that you
• 48:35
  that you bring that was so generous to the listener and to each of us to return to that knowing that
• 48:41
  we have the homecoming you mentioned at the beginning around the soul that the soul already knows
• 48:47
  and then we have all these systems and layers and conditioning that make that knowing
• 48:52
  at times feel as accessible but we've all tasted moments where it really does feel like wow
• 48:58
  you know I am divine I'm love I'm loved and I'm lovable and I think many of us walk around with
• 49:04
  the shame that we're not those things and it's deeply painful and it's deeply by by design
• 49:10
  there's something that I wanted to ask you about which is a lot of the people who listen to the
• 49:15
  soul salon are deeply they deeply care about creativity and creating with soul and love and
• 49:22
  liberation and all these topics you're talking about anti-colonialism and I'm really fascinated by
• 49:26
  the idea that we have this practice you know that many people do from the artist's way called
• 49:30
  morning pages I'm not sure if you like morning journaling and I started to think as I was thinking
• 49:35
  about interviewing you like is there an invitation to have that in the body like to have a morning
• 49:41
  pages but of the body so how would you invite us to connect with our bodies daily to dance daily
• 49:47
  like should we not should should is coming from conditioning but is there an invitation to have
• 49:52
  a morning ritual with dance and what would that what could that look like I I I I coined this
• 50:01
  I coined this my saying when I when I wake up I'm like there's innocence to your innocence oh yeah
• 50:07
  there is innocence to your innocence and so as you said that the the should implies like what if
• 50:14
  we're not doing it call it kind of like body mapping so when I first wake up if I'm not welcome
• 50:23
  up by my screeching cat who I love so much lovey vibes um but when I first wake up I normally
• 50:32
  take a big inhale and an exhale and say thank you because the thoughts start flooding in but
• 50:38
  I always start in my bed like you can start in your bed you don't have to stand up and I just feel
• 50:44
  into the sensations just my chest feel tight as I'm breathing no okay cool what about my lower back
• 50:51
  like how am I feeling then I roll onto my stomach give myself like a little stretch and intuitively
• 50:59
  because often when it's like step by step by step different people need different things
• 51:04
  so moving the ways that your body can support and serve you so I'd say just start in your bed even if
• 51:09
  it's just even if it's just a head tilt you know I mean even if I I I love a good rotation kind
• 51:16
  of like a cat cow and then I rotate in the bed I love that in the morning and then in terms of
• 51:22
  journaling with the body beautiful I love I tend to start with just simply rolling starting from
• 51:30
  my head and rolling down and touching the floor or letting my hands dangle and kind of just like
• 51:37
  swaying and seeing how I'm feeling and then rolling back up and then rolling back down and flowing
• 51:45
  with a song that I want to inform my energy for the day so music is medicine and so we've
• 51:53
  is movement but what if we used it more intentionally so I always say like pick a theme tune for your
• 51:58
  life so that when you're feeling a bit find the theme theme tune when you're feeling like you're
• 52:05
  going off track what but what's my theme tune how do I connect back to that so you can start with
• 52:10
  your theme tune or a song that you just love in and just again meet yourself where you're at if
• 52:15
  you feel more comfortable depending as well on ability like starting in a chair maybe a sway side
• 52:21
  to side tapping in I was touching with my heart and with my room space you know and just really
• 52:28
  breathing deeply and then repetition really helps and a lot of the time people like to do things
• 52:34
  once but it's in the repetition that then it kind of becomes like a mantra so whatever the movement
• 52:40
  is staying in that movement for an extended period of time so like it could be like a chest like
• 52:48
  isolation but staying in that and then trying to explore where that goes but for five minutes for
• 52:54
  10 minutes and then you're you're kind of like learning about your body you're like oh I didn't
• 52:59
  I didn't know a lot of a lot of people a lot of dancers they'll be like oh I liked that where did
• 53:05
  right I'm keeping that you know and this is the exploration so like the journaling can be
• 53:10
  this like repetitive of like one movement and then you might move to another movement but start
• 53:15
  off slow and then build the energy so that you can take more momentum into other types of movement
• 53:22
  because if you go straight into something it's like the body's not warm tapping first you know
• 53:27
  so yeah I would say just yeah give yourself a little and maybe even write it down
• 53:32
  add it to the jet add it to the journaling so have your page yes yes have your page yes
• 53:41
  yes have the page and just let it flow right how you're feeling maybe certain points because also
• 53:48
  again like shoulders oh what have you been carrying lately what do you need to let go of you know
• 53:54
  so again still being playful with it and I've been like oh I'm going to diagnose my do you
• 53:59
  not mean getting into that for yeah yes oh I love this oh my gosh I'm gonna I'm excited to do this
• 54:05
  I also I love morning pages so that I love the harmony of of both I think this is so
• 54:11
  juicy because it starts slow and I love the checking in the checking in the body mapping
• 54:17
  the journaling with the body the head rolls and like the sensuality I would love to
• 54:23
  tap into your wisdom on that because it's like living centrally this living you know in this
• 54:29
  alive vital also like sensual way um what does that mean to you like what is the word sensuality
• 54:35
  mean to you presence like deep presence and when I say that automatically people think
• 54:44
  sensuality although that's very sexual and no that the deep presence even when you're in the shower
• 54:53
  like for me I'm like instead of you know let me just slow down like let me actually feel my skin
• 55:02
  you know let me actually feel the presence of the water trickling down my back like let me when
• 55:10
  I'm actually breathing when I'm taking that deep inhale let me actually feel it like no like
• 55:22
  it's the presence that is what to me it is to live from this
• 55:30
  sensual point of how I move through the world even the way that you walk like let me extend
• 55:35
  just straighten my back a little bit more then my energy a bit more let me add a little balance in
• 55:42
  my step like you know these tiny tiny like the micro like the tiny details that make all the
• 55:48
  difference to how we thrive you know um that is sensuality deep presence and deep patience
• 55:57
  you know patience everything is so quick and so instant and then you know quickly touch
• 56:07
  you know that that sensual sexual side but when you think it's patience it's present yeah it
• 56:14
  just in a different way with a different intention you know um even when you're connecting with
• 56:20
  the stranger like really looking at them like really seem them that's something that we don't do
• 56:26
  often really totally a voting eye yeah onto the next yes that is gorgeous the water on your skin
• 56:36
  the trickling you know sometimes the wind is like kissing you it's so alive and it's almost the
• 56:44
  image that comes in my mind is like if someone gives you a compliment hopefully you know
• 56:49
  many of us will be like oh I will minimize it and receiving it and the the universe is giving
• 56:55
  you compliments here's this water is this wind on your skin here's this delicious avocado you know
• 57:01
  that you love so much it reminds you of your childhood or your mother or whatever it is like
• 57:06
  it's giving to you giving giving and that receptivity of like wow thank you I see you I'm present
• 57:13
  with this I can really open myself up to the magic of this experience of life yeah it's so
• 57:20
  wonderful and I think that one of the responses that maybe a listener may have is either like I don't
• 57:27
  have time to do that or you know that these systems are designed in a way that makes that so such
• 57:34
  a privilege to be able to do so I'm curious like how you might respond to that and it is a
• 57:38
  privilege it really is you know but also we get to be the priority and also we get to be the
• 57:47
  priority yeah you know so I think we I feel with everything can now people again it's like
• 58:00
  this perfection around it I need to have my two hour morning routine like no you can literally
• 58:10
  just take three deep breaths before you get out the bed and you're good you can just look at
• 58:16
  yourself in the mirror for a extra 10 seconds and say I love you you've got this today and that's
• 58:22
  it you know again like small so if you know it can feel so far away for a lot of people so I'd say
• 58:32
  start with the smallest thing and then also notice as well because some things may not feel
• 58:37
  comfortable I've worked with the clients where the the eye gaze in the mirror scene one seeing the
• 58:42
  self is too much don't start there start with a deep breath start with oh okay I'm I'm just going
• 58:48
  to play around with the music for one minute just one minute you have one minute totally
• 58:54
  or create that time you know we can't add on time we have the same 24 hours but create a space even
• 59:03
  is it it just flooded back memory there'll be times when I used to work and I will go to the
• 59:09
  toilet and I'd have a little dance in the toilet you know when you see the space that you have
• 59:20
  and you're like there's a moment here there's a moment here instead of doom scrolling on my phone
• 59:25
  while I'm getting from A to B I could listen presently to a piece of music and kind of just
• 59:30
  getting my body a bit I could like real off in my mind all the things that I'm grateful for
• 59:37
  just nice things that have happened small things oh I really I really like the cardigan I've
• 59:41
  got on today you know I really like how this feels against my skin yeah I really like that person's
• 59:45
  hair like you know shifting your point of attention to to to make it something that makes you a
• 59:51
  day a little bit lighter you know yes completely those are such such beautiful invitations and what
• 59:59
  you said about the doom scrolling because a lot of you know they're like I don't know yeah it's
• 1:00:03
  such a real aspect of life and I feel like that is you know where there's so much aliveness that's
• 1:00:10
  trying to interact with us and our phones are sort of like to me they're like kind of dead like
• 1:00:15
  there's a lot of aliveness in them there's laughter there's community in this kitchen but I think
• 1:00:19
  it's also creating new standards for how you want your life to feel of like I want I want to feel
• 1:00:25
  good after I do this I want to feel like you know this presence with life so I think that's gorgeous
• 1:00:30
  and stunning another question I wanted to ask you was you mentioned that dawns can feel like
• 1:00:35
  meditative and I think that was so magical you mentioned that repetition can create that do you
• 1:00:40
  have any other advice for those of us who do want to tap into the more meditative aspects of dawns
• 1:00:47
  how would you set that ritual up or that space up for us to to to adventure into beautiful question now
• 1:00:56
  this is why I also love movements so much because it's so subjective and so maybe start with the
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  details of what is important to you like for example I'm the I call myself like I'm very I'm
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  going to say like environment is very important to me so like I will always first find a space where
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  I feel it feels comfortable it feels open it feels it it feels like I don't always have that
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  but like when I have the choice to I flow there it might sound a little controversial I would say
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  try firstly music that doesn't have words I say that because sometimes we can get caught up in the
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  lyrics and the lyrics are beautiful they're a gift as well but when we are sinking to that beat
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  and that momentum and it helps us if we don't have that extra I'm going to say beauty because it is
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  beauty you know and but sometimes it can distract us because we're like whoa exactly and it's like
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  but listen to the melody you know and especially we all hear music differently so especially
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  I hear music in so many different layers and ways some people really focus on the lyrics you know
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  some people focus on like the Mac like the Macro beat like the dupe depends so find a song
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  or maybe instrumental that will help you with like really sitting into the rhythm because
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  again with music it helps us to listen dance and music helps us to listen it helps us with our
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  listening skills understanding what's happening between the layers what are you really saying what
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  is the music really saying you know I've done a lot of people hear music they don't listen to it
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  they don't really listen to it it's like yeah okay cool what's being said you know and so I would say
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  a beautiful way of expanding that is finding a song just listening to the melody and the beat
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  and and get creative maybe use the wall you know maybe use your hand maybe use two hands maybe
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  you know I mean or maybe link it to a movement that you know well but in a different place so
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  let's say if you're things yoga or you're things stretch you know you're like all your things
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  basketball or my mum used to be some professional netball player or if it's netball like
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  things that movement that you know day to day movement that you use day to day that's still familiar
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  but then you make it mean something else because it's always what are you making it mean you know
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  for example this table it is beautiful but equally it could be used to inflict harm upon someone
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  but at the moment it's holding these beautiful records you know so what are you making it mean
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  what is the intention so I would say yeah instrumental maybe get creative get a prop involved if you
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  want to or if you completely don't know where to start with your movement in terms of this
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  meditative meditative aspect a movement that you do every day and then exploit it could be
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  something like this save it just this but then maybe if you take the same thing into a different
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  part of your body and then you take it into your hips you know and but just using the same
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  thing instead of thinking I've got to think of another movement and another movement and oh I
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  don't know what to do now it could just be a circle you start with a circle and then how does the
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  circle go into the hips how does the circle go into the chest using different shapes to explore
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  your movement that is something that I really like to do and I have a more time and space I'm
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  like okay I've done this practice for a while I'm going to switch it up a little bit but again
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  always flow because you're going to need different things every day and that's why I say you know
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  instead of a routine a practice is something that you return to yes and that you can
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  change and evolve with what's going on in your life at the time like with the chapter of your life
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  that you're in with the energy that you're in whereas when you it becomes routine that's been
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  again it kind of gets style you know because it's like okay I'm doing the same thing again
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  whereas you're not actually having a dialogue with your body my word a dialogue with your body
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  that's so resonates with me so deeply what you're sharing about the circle and also the wall like
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  I never even thought of there's all these objects that are trying to support you or maybe
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  interacting with the landscape with the landscape I love that and we've done that for centuries
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  you know exactly the earth with like embodying the trees like all these different things with each
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  other with the fire like the elements the elements exactly taking that into your movement yes yes
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  oh my word that's just powerful tomorrow I'm going to be working with the circle
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  based on listen to no lyrics and when I have done that it is very powerful so you're inviting me
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  I've never created a practice around it where it turned to it and I think it could be very very
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  nourishing to me and my experience and I'm so just excited and delighted I think before we go
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  to our closing ritual something that is staying with me from earlier there's so much you said
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  that I just I know when I re-listen to somebody back I didn't ask her about this and this
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  you just dropped so many of your own gems and seeds yes we accept allow this to be more than enough
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  this to be generous focusing you really talking that as well like focus on what's present
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  you mentioned that you went through a spiritual awakening and I think many of our listeners also
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  very either have gone through that or going through that and are very interested in matters of the
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  soul and spirit and also love liberation so I'd love to hear just what that looked like for you I
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  know that could be a whole episode but hey I know but your spiritual awakening what does that
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  meant for you in the best way despair you know how it is right you know the dark nights of the soul
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  confusion and the reason why I say this is such a gift as well is because you know we're always
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  taught that it's like we're building we're building sometimes you are building when everything
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  is torn down and you can't see it and that's how the awakening felt it was like well this doesn't
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  make sense to me anymore this doesn't feel right and then it was questioning again like questioning
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  the narratives questioning society questioning like systems questioning my beliefs and so
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  it was as much as it was like disarray and you know I love crying and a lot of like why what is
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  happening and confusion there's so much clarity came from that and that also helped me to I mean
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  it's informed the work that I do now but like when I was really young you can have a conversation
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  with my mom I remember we had this huge back garden and I was like mom can you put pavement I
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  mean I don't want any grass I was so disconnected you know and you see everything so much
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  differently once you begin to awaken to yourself the truth of who you are and you know
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  it's not just like oh everything's hunky-dory but like you know everything's fine now because I'm
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  awake no you know this is where the work begins you know it's like the point of a beginning
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  but for me it looked like a lot of time in solitude it looked like healing myself through the
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  connection to nature like this call that I wasn't sure but I knew I needed to answer but I was
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  like this is different to what I've known before but I'm gonna lean into it but having the ability
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  to lean into it and nourishing myself in ways that I never would have normally because I never
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  knew how to quiet my mind I never knew how to objectively step outside of myself and look at
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  you know my behaviors and my patterns or how to you know yeah you can have compassion for someone
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  but when you have that self awareness and you can see yourself in other people and in other
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  interactions you have more clarity as to why the things maybe happening in your life and how
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  you can also reclaim your sovereignty and your self-governance and your power and you know
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  we live in a world that wants us to feel powerless and we are not we are not you know
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  and I think it speaks to everything that has been and that it is currently gone it speaks to the
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  power and that which we hold as human beings and it doesn't have to look external your
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  power is in how you treat the person that you don't know your power is in your ability to hold
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  so much compassion and love and all these other different emotions at the same time you know
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  you're it in those small things so yeah the soul awakening for me was conflicting confusing
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  but such a gift and such a reawakening to like more of who I am and allowing more of me to come
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  online and there's always so much that we can continuously do as human beings to evolve
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  to progress to become better and so it's never this journey of I'm done now oh I'm a
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  weight now so that no but also it's the balance of not feeling like I can't certainly need to heal
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  I can't like you get to be human too and just enjoy your humanity because you can go one end of
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  this like either end of the spectrum where it's like the scale I should say where it's like oh I
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  have to continue and I have and I have these all these responsibilities and I have to
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  alchemise all of these traumas and generationally and it's all on my show and where does that get you
• 1:11:30
  take a moment to breathe because going back to the vitality when you have your happiness when
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  you have your vitality when you have your self-connection when you have community when you have
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  creativity you also find ways to navigate things better as well so like making sure that you have
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  that balance of like allowing your humanity to really like this is your human experience honey
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  you better have that you better have that enjoy that you know be kind to yourself give yourself
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  grace as my friend with a grace and compassion yes yes yes well I think on behalf of myself and
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  everyone listening or watching to this we are so grateful that you held the soul awakening and
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  that you allowed it into your experience because it has allowed you to embody and express and
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  share this wisdom from such an embodied place such a grounded place and what you said about
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  the dark nights of the soul and the despair that you've held we just thank you for your for doing
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  this work because you shine so bright like you have so much to share it's just like this
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  magical garden of so many flowers I just want to like stay with each of them I know I just
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  want to be present to all of all of it and you clearly have just channeled your wisdom into
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  magical experiences and offerings for people who get to work with you and I think it's just so
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  magical to witness so I've said that word multiple times but so brilliant and beautiful and grounded
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  and inspiring to to experience you and your gift like your gift of expressing your gift clearly
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  of teaching and holding space for people of dancing and just how fluid and alive your and and
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  embodied you are is just it gives me absolute chills and this was always I'm just having such an
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  incredible moment within myself and holding the human experience of it all because like to be
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  learning from like black woman teachers you know thinkers healers who are speaking about the metaphysical
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  the body that it really makes it that was my always my vision or part a huge part of my vision and
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  so it's just like thank you for for making my dream come true in this session and I often say
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  this thing that you know we're all manifesting each other we're manifesting you know like
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  you dreaming of teaching is equally your student's dreaming of being taught by you and I feel like
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  all the wisdom you've experienced and gathered and alchemized has turned you into this just
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  oh I don't even know Oracle yes and Oracle wisdom and Oracle of expression and I'm just so
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  grateful is there anything that you I always want to I care a lot that people feel heard and so
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  is there anything you shared that you're like oh I really wanted to you know go deeper into this
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  or this didn't feel heard or I would love to have this be more seen you know what there's only one
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  thing and I would say when you're connecting to your body and your movement if you notice any
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  resistance maybe just journal about it maybe what are you making it mean and because that's
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  something that I experienced a lot and especially as women we again like we compartmentalize our
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  expression and we don't allow ourselves to you can be everything you can be the nurture you can
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  be sexy you can be sassy you can be angry and so I just want to leave people with not just with
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  your movement as in your dance your movement of life like you are the movement you know like life is
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  the dance and you are the movement really allow yourself any desire that is on your heart that is
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  placed there it's your duty and responsibility to explore it and if there's resistance you're
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  probably in the right direction and if it's something to do with your vessel remember that your
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  body is a portal it's not a project and it's something that I you know again like I've
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  experienced and worked through and again like it's the humanity of we're doing this together
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  but you're worthy and I love you I love you you know um so yeah explore and find out what that
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  means don't just shy away from it if you if you come up against resistance because you you have
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  the tools and you have the power and if you don't you will find them because as you start to
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  desire more things will start to come into your reality that will meet you there where you need to
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  be even listen to this podcast you are here for a reason you know so trust trust trust trust yourself
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  trust your body trust your wisdom trust your portal oh trust your portal your body is a portal
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  not a project that reclamation from toxic beauty standards from capitalism from you know
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  viewing your body as a vessel for productivity and pushing your body and sexism patriarchy
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  anti-blackness like anti-fatness just ableism just all of them that there is this we I mean
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  need huge systemic change and reimagining and also that reclamation is also possible at some
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  scale within each of us and so thank you for that that's so juicy like trust grace you really
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  invited us into these deeply rich nourishing values of like trusting playing curiosity creativity
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  compassion and grace and love so much love oozing from this conversation so thank you so much
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  for for your wisdom so we like to close the soul salon or I'm still actually establishing the
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  closing rituals but I would love to start with some prompts some sentences a few sentences for
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  you to close and then we'd love to just get your social so that we can make sure that we can tap
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  in and stay in touch with your divine teaching and hopefully attend your events and such things
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  okay wonderful so I feel so your invitation is to complete these sentences so I feel most
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  alive when you know I'm gonna say when I'm dancing I feel most connected to the most high to
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  the universal energies and yeah I feel most alive when I'm dancing the medicine the world needs is
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  love love simple love to see that we all are embodiments of love you know okay I'm
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  going to all just to be real because you know we have to acknowledge you all but like
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  closely love I believe my soul came here to reconnect people to their joy of vitality into
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  their bodies and find their rhythm in life we can heal the planet by
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  big question listening listening to Gaia listening to you know listening to each other
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  really listening and allowing and not trying to control a little segue because I think
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  is so important yesterday I watched Frankie's phone and there was a sentence that says I think
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  it was God does not control only monsters control something like that you know and so when we're
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  listening don't quote me verbatim but it was something like that and it will come up if anyone
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  just watch it read thoroughly enjoyed but that listening like listen and allow because when we
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  try to control this is where the friction is coming in there's this control for power you know
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  so listen like we can heal the world by listening to one another and see one another you know
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  I deeply agree deeply I love that response well and then finally if my inner child walk through
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  that door I would say to her I love you girl and I'm so proud and you're doing it and you've been
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  doing it and you've always been enough and continue to trust you know oh love me
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  we've got it like how can we not and then you know and also I just want to take a moment to
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  thank you and your inner child because the thing is if it wasn't for her you wouldn't be here now
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  and you wouldn't be creating this beautiful platform and all of your love and all of your wisdom
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  from all of your life experiences pouring out and and and beautifully wrapping around
• 1:20:27
  other people like this podcast is a cell for the soul as well so I just want to yeah take a moment
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  like we have to give each other our flowers and receive them but also like thank you and you get
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  something I feel so warm and I feel so seen in my inner child she loves praise so she's like
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  yes oh thank you so much tomorrow that has that is so loving and and I feel that I feel I'm
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  letting it seep into my the soil of my being so it can take root thank you for seeing me and
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  for celebrating me I really feel so grateful to be sitting here with you um I know many people
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  are feeling like they're like I want some more so how can they stay in touch with you tap into
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  your frequency or wisdom your energy yes oh beautiful so you can find me on all social outside all
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  socials the ones that I have um but Instagram tomorrow Josephine um and tomorrow Josephine.com
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  for my website and yeah I think that's like by the most part tiktok um same thing tomorrow Josephine
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  across all platforms you know keep it simple keep it simple tomorrow Joseph tomorrow that
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  Josephine underscore amazing and we will have the socials linked in the show notes so you can go
• 1:21:46
  tap into tomorrow's website and her socials and then yes events are offerings yes events and offerings
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  I'm now manifesting that that sounds incredible thank you so much everyone for being with us
• 1:21:59
  in the soul salon it has been such a magical journey and I feel so grateful and so delighted
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  that we all get to re-listen to this again and again because there were so many insights that I
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  feel are deeply sitting with me dance as a prayer dance as a mirror reconnecting people with their
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  vitality you know expressing ourselves in public and being curious with our bodies is just so much
• 1:22:23
  here and as a student as someone who loves learning the fact that I don't have a notebook here is
• 1:22:28
  costing me everything I'm like maybe I need to change the show or maybe I need to be a host who
• 1:22:33
  takes notes no you listen oh there's a thing he has been doing I actually don't know I'm just
• 1:22:41
  gonna give this I know this one I don't know this one thank you so much keep tapping into the
• 1:22:48
  soul salon I'm sending we are both sending you so much love so much grace compassion and kindness
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  and may we all be moving let's take maybe five minutes after this episode to really embody
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  this wisdom play a song put it on shovel yeah and just play yeah smooth like you mean it yes thank
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  you so much everyone will see you on the next all session I love you bye my darling my love my soul
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  sibling thank you for stepping into the soul salon if you are still hearing or watching this
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  we are soul siblings we are resonating on the same frequency and so something you may struggle
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  with that I struggle with is the fear of being seen you know that visibility is involved in you
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  living your creative purpose and being in your power serving the collective through your gifts
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  through your magic through your medicine in order to do that you know you need to be more seen
• 1:23:50
  than you are allowing yourself to be right now I have a gift just for you hard made for us on this
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  frequency and it is a free ebook called the soulful visibility guide that is soulful visibility like
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  we don't just want to be seen we want to be felt we want to be heard we want to move and be moved
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  so I do have a free gift for you and all you need to do is go to my website iunderstood.com and
• 1:24:16
  there you will be able to input your email address and receive this directly to your inbox this
• 1:24:22
  is such a juicy and delicious guide and I change the free offering every few months so you know
• 1:24:28
  get it while you can all the links are in the show notes so thank you so much I love you and I will
• 1:24:33
  see you on the next sole session okay I love you bye