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Sharri | 18 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. I'm Caroline Mark has filling
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Speaker 2: in for Shari. First mother's heartbreaking story of love loss
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Speaker 2: and the son Hamma stole from her. Rachel Goldberg polland
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Speaker 2: joins us in an Australian exclusive. The single mum who
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Speaker 2: beat the e Safety Commissioner in court now facing a
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Speaker 2: far tougher battle after her baby girl's devastating diagnosis. Selene
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Speaker 2: Bomgarden joins the show later tonight and he filmed get
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Speaker 2: up pathetic stunt at Pauline Hanson's speech. Now, David Sharraz
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Speaker 2: has been barred from the National Press Club. My panel
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Speaker 2: Cameron Milner and Stephanie Bastian will join me to discuss
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Speaker 2: but first explosive claims about the Australian professor who is
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Speaker 2: the United Nations Rapperteur on counter terror now accused of
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Speaker 2: ideological bias and conflicts of interest. Let me introduce you
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Speaker 2: to Ben Saul, an international law professor at the University
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Speaker 2: of Sydney who also serves as the UN's Special Rappertoire
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Speaker 2: on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental
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Speaker 2: freedoms while countering terrorism.
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Speaker 1: Try fitting that on a business card.
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Speaker 2: Professor Saul is a regular in left wing media outlets,
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Speaker 2: most recently demanding Australia bring home the ISIS brides, arguing
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Speaker 2: in this line newspaper piece, the Islamic state wives' return
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Speaker 2: is no threat, but our cruelty to their kids is shameful.
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Speaker 2: And here he is being quoted by our public.
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Speaker 1: Broadcaster, Australian.
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Speaker 3: Professor Ben Saul says the government could and should do more,
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Speaker 3: accusing it of shying away from helping Australians simply because
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Speaker 3: it doesn't want the domestic political fight, particularly after the
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Speaker 3: Bondai terror attack in December.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe Australians simply don't want more ISIS
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Speaker 2: supporters here after the worst terror attack our country has
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Speaker 2: ever seen was allegedly carried out by ISIS supporters. Professor
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Speaker 2: Saul has also admonished the Australian government for supporting the
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Speaker 2: quote illegal aggression of the US and Israel in its
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Speaker 2: war against the barbaric Iranian regime.
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Speaker 1: He writes, when.
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Speaker 2: Countries like Australia roll over and support this kind of
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Speaker 2: illegal aggression, that's the worst thing in terms of contributing
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Speaker 2: to the erosion of international law.
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Speaker 1: So that gives you a sense of where this so.
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Speaker 2: Called rappertoire on counter terrorism actually sits on terrorism. But
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Speaker 2: now Professor Saul has been singled out by Geneva based
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Speaker 2: group UN Watch in a damning new report called from
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Speaker 2: Watchdogs to ideologues, how politicized YUN rappertoires are subverting human rights.
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Speaker 2: The one hundred and four page document investigates thirteen of
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Speaker 2: the UN's fifty nine Special rapertoires and how some of
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Speaker 2: them had accepted funding from China, Russia and Qatar. An
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Speaker 2: entire section of the report is dedicated to Professor Saul,
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Speaker 2: which details his teaching history at Oxford, Harvard and the
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Speaker 2: Young Men Academy in China, and claims the Chinese government
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Speaker 2: is his largest funder, giving one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: He also accepted the same amount from Switzerland and almost
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Speaker 2: as much from Spain, but then again, those countries aren't
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Speaker 2: known to be committing serious human rights abuses, all considered
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Speaker 2: a national security threat to then the report goes on
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Speaker 2: to accuse Professor Saul and repeatedly demonstrating a deep seated
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Speaker 2: anti Western and anti Israel bias and cited tweets he
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Speaker 2: published in twenty twenty describing America as a dystopia condition
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Speaker 2: to dehumanization and telling the Western world, your civilization is killing.
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Speaker 1: Life on Earth. It isn't so hard to see.
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Speaker 2: Why he's so adored by outlets like the ABC and
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Speaker 2: The Guardian.
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Speaker 1: Is it even more disturbingly?
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Speaker 2: Professor Saul has condemned the killing of the then most
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Speaker 2: senior leader of terror group Archayeta in Afghanistan, I'man al Zawahiri,
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Speaker 2: who was one of the FBI's most wanted terrorists, calling
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Speaker 2: his assassination in a US drone missile strike unlawful. He's
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Speaker 2: also called the killing of Iranian General Cassemsoli illegal and
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Speaker 2: criticized Trump's designation of the Hooties as a terrorist organization as.
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Speaker 1: One that could disrupt peace efforts.
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Speaker 2: Again, this guy is meant to be the UN's rappertoire
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Speaker 2: on counter terrorism, Professor Saul has called for the arrest
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Speaker 2: of Trump and his Secretary of War Pete Hegseeth over
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Speaker 2: their targeting of drug traffickers, and he's described the US
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Speaker 2: military actions in Venezuela and Iran as imperialism.
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Speaker 4: Countering terrorism has excused naked aggression and renewed imperialism against
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Speaker 4: Iran and Venezuela, reigning death and making us all less safe.
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Speaker 2: He's also condemned Israel's rescue of four of its own
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Speaker 2: hostages and defended Palestine Action, which since then has become
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Speaker 2: a prescribed terror group in the UK. He urged the
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Speaker 2: Australian government not to adopt the widely used International Holocaust
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Alliance definition of anti Semitism, and defended quote lawful
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Speaker 2: chance like from the River to the Sea. So those
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Speaker 2: are some of his blindingly obvious biases. Now to the
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Speaker 2: very serious claims of financial conflict. While this UN Watch
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Speaker 2: reports fails out in great detail how Professor Saul has
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Speaker 2: repeatedly singled out certain countries for criticism during his time
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Speaker 2: in the UN, most notably the US and Israel, it
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Speaker 2: accuses him of taking a very different approach to China,
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Speaker 2: despite China's well documented human rights abuses. The report alleges
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Speaker 2: that Saul's one sided pattern is underscored by the one
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars he received from China in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, an authoritarian government with which he maintains
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Speaker 2: warm relations and almost never criticizes. Joseph Epstein from the
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Speaker 2: Turun Research Center rites for The New York Post that
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Speaker 2: Professor Sau's office took one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: from China and has yet to produce a single statement
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Speaker 2: on the imprisonment of more than a million wigas in
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Speaker 2: Beijing's re education camps. Yet Epstein points out that between
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Speaker 2: the October seven attacks and twenty twenty three in Israel
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Speaker 2: and March this year, the UN Special Rappertoires issued one
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight statements targeting Israel, more than twice
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Speaker 2: the number on Russia's war against Ukraine or on Memma,
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Speaker 2: and six times the number on Sudan's civil war. He writes,
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Speaker 2: the UN Human Rights Council has no procedure to remove
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Speaker 2: these rappertoires, although it's doubtful they'd even have the will,
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Speaker 2: and these rappertoires are not subjected to any independent didn't
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Speaker 2: audit of their funding.
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Speaker 1: We made repeated attempts to contact.
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Speaker 2: Professor Saul today, but as we go to air, he
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Speaker 2: has not yet responded. But in an apparent response to
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Speaker 2: this report, Professor Saul re shared a post by You
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Speaker 2: and Human Rights chief Fonko Turk, who said efforts to intimidate, discredit,
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Speaker 2: or even sanction its experts are unacceptable. Now that was
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Speaker 2: in relation to the un Watch report. But no, Professor,
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Speaker 2: it is not intimidation, its scrutiny and this is a scandal.
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Speaker 2: Now to an update on that stupid stunt during Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen's National Press Club speech.
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Speaker 1: Now, a screen came.
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Speaker 2: Down while the One Nation leader was delivering her inaugural
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Speaker 2: speech in the National Press Club, but left wing advocacy
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Speaker 2: group get Up later claimed responsibility. An activist David Scheraz,
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Speaker 2: the man who are court blamed for cooking up the
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Speaker 2: Brittany Higgins political cover up conspiracy, was seen filming the
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Speaker 2: stunt and then leaving abruptly afterwards. Now The Nightly reports
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Speaker 2: Shiraz's membership application has been rejected by the Press Club
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Speaker 2: as police continue their investigations. Joining me now, GXO Strategies
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Speaker 2: director Cameron Milner and Women's Forum Australia Stephanie Bastian.
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Speaker 1: Welcome both of you. Cameron, I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: I think this is clearly the right move from the
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Speaker 2: Press Club, the only one they could take. But now
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Speaker 2: don't they need to start better vetting who can get
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Speaker 2: tickets to these events in the first place.
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Speaker 5: Oh, look, I think they do, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 5: David Scheraz is just a headline seekert. Unfortunately, as you
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Speaker 5: made your opening comments. But I mean, look, you know,
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Speaker 5: get up a clickbait organization for lefties who want to
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Speaker 5: double tap a donation to left wing causes, and unfortunately
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Speaker 5: this coverage will help some of that donation base. But
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Speaker 5: the National Press Club should be a place where people
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Speaker 5: can give is freely, and the alternaive prime ministers like
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Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson shouldn't have to be disturbed by stunts like this,
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Speaker 5: So you're right.
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Speaker 4: I mean they had increased the security.
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Speaker 5: But to Barnaby Joyce's comments earlier this morning, I think
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Speaker 5: the whole security around Pauline Hanson needs to be improved.
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Speaker 5: Voters think she's the alternaive prime minister, and the security
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Speaker 5: services the AFP need to treat you like that as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably requires maybe not Trump level security, but
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Speaker 2: somewhere close to that because she will be a major target.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie gat Up has quite the history of targeting, especially
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Speaker 2: women on the.
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Speaker 1: Right of politics. The activists were accused of aggressively.
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Speaker 2: Targeting Nicole Flint back when she was a Liberal MP two.
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Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, we all remember her in this campaign that
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Speaker 6: they ran against her, and she said on the campaign.
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Speaker 7: Trail she felt harassed.
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Speaker 6: Dog watching the bird dog watching is how she described it.
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Speaker 6: She felt unsafe, she was vandalized, and get Up took
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Speaker 6: no responsibility whatsoever. An inquiry later on found that they
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Speaker 6: actually had released document to their volunteers on how to
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Speaker 6: do this exact thing, which they'd brought in from the US.
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Speaker 6: And here they are again targeting Pauline Hanson, another strong
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Speaker 6: female leader, and I think what happened is a disgrace.
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Speaker 6: So I'm glad the AFPR investigating. But I hope it's
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Speaker 6: not just get Up. I hope it's whoever was working
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Speaker 6: with get Up inside the Press Club, because you can't
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Speaker 6: walk in with an electronic device like that planted in
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Speaker 6: the room and say that you know nothing about it.
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Speaker 6: It's absolutely ridiculous. And I hope whoever was responsible we
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Speaker 6: find out who they are and that they are held
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Speaker 6: fully accountable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they should be held accountable. I mean
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Speaker 2: the Press Club in its defense that it had no part,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't involved to people had come in the day before,
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Speaker 2: but we need to get to the bottom of how
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Speaker 2: this whole plan was carried out.
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Speaker 1: You're right now.
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Speaker 2: New details have come out today about the US's peace
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Speaker 2: steel with Iran. The fourteen point agreement would allow Tayran
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Speaker 2: to sell oil under temporary sanctions waivers managed the Strait
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Speaker 2: of Hormus, are lock frozen assets, and eventually access a
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Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty four billion dollar reconstruction fund.
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Speaker 1: Or While Trump.
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Speaker 2: Says Iran can still have ballistic missiles if.
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Speaker 7: Other countries have them, it's a little bit unfair for
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Speaker 7: them not to have some.
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Speaker 1: A ballistic missile is not the same thing as what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about, what we're talking over, But.
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Speaker 8: If Saudi Arabian guitar and they all have some, I
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Speaker 8: would say, in relative proportion, I think it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Cameron. I think this is lunacy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Iran has used its ballistic missiles to attack Israel.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't behave responsibly with them.
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Speaker 2: How can you let them keep a weapon of mass
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Speaker 2: destruction like this? Let alone, they don't have to make
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Speaker 2: any a commitment about their enriched uranium stock poly I mean,
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Speaker 2: does this deal leave you with much confidence.
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Speaker 4: And it's a terrible, terrible.
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Speaker 5: It's not when the I Toller is running around terrm
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Speaker 5: going will be I've won. I mean, not only has
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Speaker 5: he not handed the nuclear weapons across, he's got hundreds
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Speaker 5: of billions of dollars of US dollars and let's go
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Speaker 5: into funding terrorism and he gets to continue to fire
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Speaker 5: ballistic missiles of his neighbors, including Israel. It's a shocking deal,
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Speaker 5: a shocking deal, and a complete capitulation by the US.
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Speaker 5: And it goes to JD. Vance's isolationism, and it goes
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Speaker 5: to Trump having the weakest possible deal, a deal worse
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Speaker 5: than Obama's twenty fifteen deal that had the Iranians still
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Speaker 5: continue in rich uranium to try.
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Speaker 4: To make a nuclear bomb.
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Speaker 5: So the worst possible deal we could have had announced
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Speaker 5: by the US president.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, big call, worse than Obama's, but it is it's
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Speaker 2: looking like it might be that way, agree Cameron, or
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Speaker 2: at least as bad Stephanie. This deal also paves the
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Speaker 2: way for a three hundred billion US dollar reconstruction fund
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Speaker 2: for a run.
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Speaker 1: Are their concerns that.
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Speaker 2: The regime will use this to build itself back up militarily.
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Speaker 6: Look, I think there are great concerns around that. I mean,
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Speaker 6: obviously people want a deal to be done, they want
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Speaker 6: the lives not to be lost anymore, and they want
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Speaker 6: the oil crisis to end. But having said that, if
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Speaker 6: this situation around the three hundred billion isn't clarified, and
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump seems to be saying one thing, his vice
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Speaker 6: president Jerni Van seems to be saying another. But if
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Speaker 6: there's not clarity, and if these funds are being put
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Speaker 6: back into Iran's regime to rebuild, then the whole thing's
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Speaker 6: been for nothing. We've just put a pause on the wall.
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Speaker 6: The threat still remains while they have time to build
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Speaker 6: this war chest to grow again.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the World Cup because an Israeli fan
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Speaker 2: at the Iran New Zealand World Cup game in Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles has had his Israeli flag confiscated by security, even
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Speaker 2: though Palestinian flags were left untouched just rows behind him.
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Speaker 6: Take a look, which is that where he's asking to
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Speaker 6: remove this flag?
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Speaker 9: Say, players.
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Speaker 6: Removing this flag, but you guys are removing my flag.
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Speaker 3: It seems like a little anti semitism.
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Speaker 7: Not.
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Speaker 1: Cameron.
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Speaker 2: FIFA has some pretty tight rules. I've reported on this before.
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Speaker 2: They do banned flags from all sorts of places and
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Speaker 2: from non playing teams sometimes. But why was it only
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Speaker 2: the Israeli flag being targeted and the Palestinian one allowed
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Speaker 2: to stay?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 5: Isn't this the sort of awful, shocking anti Semitism that
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Speaker 5: Jewish people across the world have to face. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you know, had the Palestinian flags been taken down, they
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Speaker 5: would have been a Guardian journalist decrying Islamophobia at the
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Speaker 5: World Cup, no doubt.
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Speaker 4: I mean, but it is an awful double standard.
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Speaker 5: The Israeli flag should have been a lad to be flown,
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Speaker 5: and the security guys should have had a lot more
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Speaker 5: sense than to be caught on camera taking that flag down.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to sell what he calls a c plan
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Speaker 2: on tax, energy, housing and putting Australian's first but four
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Speaker 2: months into the job, he's being drowned out by one
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Speaker 2: nation and is struggling to land a punch on alban Easy. Stephanie,
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Speaker 2: why do you think Angus Taylor struggles to cut through?
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Speaker 6: I think there's a number of issues at play here,
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Speaker 6: But first of all, the biggest issue that I think
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Speaker 6: Angus Taylor's got is that he doesn't have a united party.
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Speaker 6: He came out with an immigration policy, he had a
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Speaker 6: Senator Andrew McLachlin come out and oppose it. The problem
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Speaker 6: is he has a group of moderates in his team
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Speaker 6: that don't share the broader consensus of the party values
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Speaker 6: and they are allowed minority. They brief in the press,
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Speaker 6: and so when he is trying to build a party
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Speaker 6: a policy platform that will perhaps be competitive with one nation,
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Speaker 6: or at least have some clarity about the things that
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Speaker 6: voters are really stressed about at the moment, the things
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Speaker 6: that are driving up cost of living and housing and
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Speaker 6: so forth, it dampens his credible that he will be
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Speaker 6: able to deliver on these things because his party room
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Speaker 6: is not united. And if he gets in, will they
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Speaker 6: hold him back on putting in, you know, reasonable immigration measures.
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Speaker 6: So I think the Liberal Party have a lot of
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Speaker 6: soul searching to do. But until they can get some
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Speaker 6: internal discipline, I think Angus is really going to struggle
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Speaker 6: to make the case to the voters.
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Speaker 1: Cameron.
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Speaker 2: I mean, poll after poll shows Labour's votes down, but
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Speaker 2: so is the coalition. Seriously, and we saw Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: her remarkable Trump speech style speech yesterday. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: not looking good for the coalition unless Angus Taylor can
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Speaker 2: really step it up.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 5: I mean you've got strong Pauline, you've got lying Albert,
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Speaker 5: and you've got weak angers.
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Speaker 4: I mean that's the problem.
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Speaker 5: That's the choice for voters out there, and that's the reality.
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Speaker 4: Angus Taylor couldn't cut for a cream puff. I mean,
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Speaker 4: the guy can't run a line.
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Speaker 5: I mean he was a shocking shadow treasure who gifted
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Speaker 5: Jim Chalmers the best election campaign last time anyway, So
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Speaker 5: he's actually not that good at politics, So why would
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Speaker 5: we expecting to be a good leader? And Sophie to
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Speaker 5: your point, yes, I think division is death. But Angus
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Speaker 5: Taylor hasn't cut through. And again, someone like Pauline, who's
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Speaker 5: a conviction politician, he's got no standing.
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Speaker 2: You know, I had such high hopes when he took
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Speaker 2: over the leadership. I really hope that he can really just,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, turn a corner somehow. But let's return
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Speaker 2: to Pauline Hanson's National Press Club speech, which has sparked
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Speaker 2: a meltdown from advocacy groups after she took aim at
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Speaker 2: transgender ideology.
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Speaker 1: In schools, accusing schools.
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Speaker 2: Of trying to redefine biological reality.
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Speaker 10: I am not opposed to transgender people. I am simply
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Speaker 10: saying that a transgender woman should not be allowed into
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Speaker 10: women's sport or into women's changing room, and likewise a
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Speaker 10: transgender man.
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Speaker 2: And since then we've heard from a Quality Australia it's
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Speaker 2: calling Hanson's comments shameful and an example of the extreme
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Speaker 2: rhetoric being directed at trans Australia in Human Rights Commission
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Speaker 2: president also took a stab, steph What did you make
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Speaker 2: of the hysteria that followed these comments?
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Speaker 1: Just very quickly?
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Speaker 6: Oh well, I think these groups are activist groups, not advocates,
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Speaker 6: and I think they're really I mean, this article in
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Speaker 6: The Guardian really just makes the point that Pauline said yesterday.
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Speaker 6: They are out of touch. Anna Cody should go. The
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Speaker 6: austrain Human Rights Commission should be wound back. She's just
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Speaker 6: saying what people think and their crappy journalism isn't going
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Speaker 6: to change that fact.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie Cameron, thank you both so much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to go to a single mom who
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Speaker 2: took on the EA Safety Commissioner in a fight over
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Speaker 2: free speech and won her.
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Speaker 1: Case earlier this year.
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Speaker 2: Selene Baumgarden is now facing her toughest battle yet, after
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Speaker 2: her baby girl was diagnosed with an extremely rare neurological disorder.
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Speaker 2: In February, the young mother was on top of the
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Speaker 2: world after winning a two year legal battle against Julie
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Speaker 2: inman Gra after Selene had posted a video criticizing a
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Speaker 2: Melbourne primary school's queer club.
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Speaker 9: It's a win for free speech, it's a win for
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Speaker 9: parental rights, and it's win for Australia.
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Speaker 2: But that struggle pales in comparison to what the thirty
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Speaker 2: year old is up against now. Last week, Selene found
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Speaker 2: out her sixteen month old daughter, Sierra has Rehet syndrome,
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Speaker 2: an extremely rare and spontaneous neurological disorder for which there.
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Speaker 1: Is no cure or treatment.
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Speaker 2: Siah will have lifelong serious health challenges and will never
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Speaker 2: be able to live independently.
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Speaker 1: Selene will need to be her care.
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Speaker 2: A go Fundme page was set up only a day
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Speaker 2: ago to help Selene pay for expenses like specialist appointments
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Speaker 2: and therapies, and as you can see on your screen already,
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Speaker 2: it's almost reached its goal of thirty five thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: such as the support that's out there for her. But
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Speaker 2: Selene also wants to raise awareness about this little known
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Speaker 2: and incredibly cruel disorder. And I'm pleased to say Selene
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Speaker 2: bom God and joins me. Now, Selene, thank you, and
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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to hear about little Sarah's diagnosis. I
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Speaker 2: can see she's there with you. I was lucky enough
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Speaker 2: to meet her when I interviewed you about the safety
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Speaker 2: win that you had in court. She's a simply adorable girl.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us how you found out that she
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Speaker 2: had this disorder?
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Speaker 1: What were the signs?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Sure, I will apologize to your listeners. We're teething as well,
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Speaker 9: so never apologize. So the long story short is, you
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Speaker 9: know mother's instinct, when she was around seven or eight months,
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Speaker 9: something just told me in my gut, you know, that
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Speaker 9: something was a bit off, something wasn't quite right. So
21:49
Speaker 9: at the beginning of the year after she turned one,
21:53
Speaker 9: I just pretty much left no stone unturned in trying
21:56
Speaker 9: to figure out what was going on. And through the
21:59
Speaker 9: help of her pediatrician and the staff at Westmea Children's Hospital,
22:04
Speaker 9: we did all these tests and the genetic blood testing
22:08
Speaker 9: came back and said that she has red syndrome. So
22:12
Speaker 9: red syndrome is a spontaneous mutation present from conception. There's
22:18
Speaker 9: nothing I could have done, which, in an odd way
22:23
Speaker 9: was a bit of a relief because I was beating
22:25
Speaker 9: myself up for months thinking I've done something wrong. So
22:28
Speaker 9: it's a bit of a double edged sword to find
22:31
Speaker 9: to find that out. But yeah, so spontaneous mutation, and
22:35
Speaker 9: it effects every part of your life. She will never
22:39
Speaker 9: be able to live independently. If she does learn to walk,
22:42
Speaker 9: it'll be heavily assisted, saying with talking. It's just it's
22:47
Speaker 9: a life sentence and it's changed my life forever.
22:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so heartbreaking for both of you, and you
22:53
Speaker 2: should never for a second blame yourself.
22:57
Speaker 1: It tell us how rare this.
22:58
Speaker 2: Is, and I understand it is thing that mainly affects girls.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so I've been told and I'm obviously still quite
23:06
Speaker 9: new to researching this, as families that have danced this dance.
23:10
Speaker 1: For much longer than I have.
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Speaker 9: But based on what I've been told and researched, it's
23:14
Speaker 9: one in ten thousand girls. Males can be form with it,
23:18
Speaker 9: but they usually unfortunately passed away in infancy due to
23:22
Speaker 9: the fact that it's a mutation on the X chromosome.
23:25
Speaker 9: So because males only have one, there's a mutation there.
23:29
Speaker 9: It's not can be fatal. That's why the condition primarily affects.
23:34
Speaker 2: Women and girl And what are you hoping to achieve
23:37
Speaker 2: by sharing Serrah's story? Obviously you were wanting to raise
23:41
Speaker 2: some money on the go fundme page, and we'll talk
23:44
Speaker 2: about that again in a bit, but you have a
23:47
Speaker 2: broader purpose too, You want to create some awareness.
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Speaker 1: Why was it important for you to do that?
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Speaker 9: Well, firstly because I personally hadn't heard of it, and
23:56
Speaker 9: the more I learned about this condition, I just it
24:01
Speaker 9: just seems so cruel. And these girls, these beautiful, precious
24:05
Speaker 9: angels that are out there that living with this, I
24:09
Speaker 9: want to shine a light on them because them and
24:12
Speaker 9: their families, you know, deserve recognition for having to live
24:17
Speaker 9: with with this condition. I spent the last couple of
24:19
Speaker 9: years building up a bit of a social media following,
24:23
Speaker 9: a lot of it based around advocacy for women and girls.
24:26
Speaker 9: So it's kind of fitting that, you know, this disorder
24:30
Speaker 9: would find me in a in an odd, strange way.
24:35
Speaker 9: I just want to help. I just I have a
24:37
Speaker 9: fire and a passion in me and I just want
24:39
Speaker 9: to do as much as I can for Sierra and
24:42
Speaker 9: for these girls.
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Speaker 2: Well, you are the right person to advocate for her
24:47
Speaker 2: and other people with this disease, with the skills that
24:49
Speaker 2: you have in advocacy and that you've cultivated. So if
24:54
Speaker 2: people want to donate to help you to be able
24:57
Speaker 2: to stay home and care for Zierra, because that's what
24:59
Speaker 2: you're going to need to do now, and also to
25:02
Speaker 2: help pay for what will be extensive medical and therapy costs,
25:06
Speaker 2: tell us how they can contribute.
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Speaker 9: So my name on social media is Selene against the Machine.
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Speaker 9: I should be changing it to Selene against Red Syndrome.
25:17
Speaker 9: But if they were to find me on Facebook or
25:20
Speaker 9: x or Instagram, I've got a video that I uploaded
25:23
Speaker 9: yesterday explaining how I got the diagnosis and a link
25:28
Speaker 9: to the GoFundMe. Even if you can't donate to share
25:32
Speaker 9: it within your circles. Just get this story out there
25:35
Speaker 9: and let's shine a light on red syndrome. And if
25:39
Speaker 9: anyone else, sorry my apologies, who's interested wants to learn more?
25:42
Speaker 9: The Red Syndrome Association of Australia has a brilliant website
25:46
Speaker 9: just sort I put that out there.
25:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to let people know about that too, and
25:50
Speaker 2: we'll get that go fund me page or the link
25:51
Speaker 2: back up on screen two for people to have a
25:54
Speaker 2: quick look at again if we can get that back
25:57
Speaker 2: up and just hopefully can help if they need to.
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Speaker 1: There it is on your screen, snow.
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Speaker 2: Selen Bomegarden and Little Sierra, thank you both so much
26:08
Speaker 2: for your time and we wish you both all the
26:11
Speaker 2: very best with it, and I hopefully we'll speak again
26:14
Speaker 2: soon Selena and you can update us on how she's doing.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so very much.
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Speaker 9: Caroline, thank you, thank you, thank you.
26:21
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure.
26:22
Speaker 2: Now coming up, Jacinta Allen may have avoided a backroom spill,
26:26
Speaker 2: but now faces a no confidence motion. Victorian Deputy Liberal
26:31
Speaker 2: leader David Southwick joins me later, and an American mother's
26:36
Speaker 2: unimaginable grief after Hamas murdered her son Hirsh in a
26:41
Speaker 2: Gaza tunnel. Rachel Goldberg Polland speaks exclusively with me after
26:46
Speaker 2: the break. Now to the exclusive interview we told you
26:54
Speaker 2: about on last night's show. Rachel Goldberg Polland's son Hirsh
26:58
Speaker 2: had his arm blown off by a grenade and was
27:01
Speaker 2: kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival by her mass terrorists
27:06
Speaker 2: on October seven, twenty twenty three. They kept the Americans starving, filthy,
27:12
Speaker 2: and without proper medical care in a cramped tunnel sixty
27:17
Speaker 2: six feet underground in Gaza before executing him at close
27:22
Speaker 2: range three hundred and twenty eight days later. When his
27:25
Speaker 2: family finally got his body back, Hirsh had six bullet wounds,
27:30
Speaker 2: his hair was covered in gunpowder. His parents, Rachel and
27:34
Speaker 2: John Pollen, had worked tirelessly for the release of Hirsh
27:39
Speaker 2: and the other hostages, including traveling around the world to
27:43
Speaker 2: meet with leaders and speaking at the United Nations. And
27:48
Speaker 2: now Rachel has written a book called When We See
27:51
Speaker 2: You Again, about that time, about what she calls the
27:55
Speaker 2: before and how she goes on after burying her only son.
28:00
Speaker 2: It's raw, it's beyond heartbreaking, and it reveals devastating new
28:05
Speaker 2: details about Hersh's time in captivity. I spoke to Rachel
28:10
Speaker 2: Goldberg Polland for her first Australian interview about the book,
28:15
Speaker 2: and began by asking her about why she felt called
28:18
Speaker 2: to write it.
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Speaker 7: It's such a reasonable question and it doesn't have a
28:24
Speaker 7: really tidy compact answer. The truth is I think that
28:31
Speaker 7: I was really my soul was buckling from the pain
28:37
Speaker 7: of so much love that was waiting for hersh to
28:42
Speaker 7: come home alive. That I had been sort of compartmentalizing
28:47
Speaker 7: for the three hundred and thirty days struggle of us
28:50
Speaker 7: trying to get him and these other hostages home, and
28:54
Speaker 7: then to have this absolutely unimaginable heartbreak that he was
29:03
Speaker 7: coming home actually in a bag after being executed. It
29:10
Speaker 7: was choking me. The grief in the morning, and the
29:13
Speaker 7: pain and the loss and the suffering which anyone goes through.
29:16
Speaker 7: You know, there's nothing unique about what happened to us
29:20
Speaker 7: in terms of having to bury a child. Millions of
29:23
Speaker 7: people around the world have buried children. People watching this
29:26
Speaker 7: have buried children. I think that I was suffering from
29:31
Speaker 7: having pushed aside for three hundred and thirty days so
29:35
Speaker 7: many emotions in order to try to save him, and
29:38
Speaker 7: that was actually drowning me. And so when I started
29:41
Speaker 7: to write, it was purely like doing the Heimlich maneuver
29:44
Speaker 7: on myself. It was just getting out these packages of pain,
29:50
Speaker 7: and that turned into that turned into what became the book.
29:57
Speaker 2: There's so much in this book about Hersh's time and
29:59
Speaker 2: keptvity we didn't know before. For example, you reveal he
30:03
Speaker 2: wasn't taken into immedia care despite having.
30:06
Speaker 1: His arm blown off below the elbow.
30:08
Speaker 2: And it was only on day three, when he was
30:11
Speaker 2: unconscious and bleeding to death, that his captors finally came with.
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Speaker 1: A burker, dressed Hirsh as a.
30:17
Speaker 2: Woman and snuck him into Alshi for a hospital in
30:21
Speaker 2: Gaza City. Yet later Hamas forced Hersh to record a
30:25
Speaker 2: video in which he claimed his captors had been good
30:27
Speaker 2: to him and had taken him to hospital on day one.
30:31
Speaker 2: What do you think this reveals about the propaganda that's
30:35
Speaker 2: come out from many anti Israel activists about how well
30:40
Speaker 2: the hostages were treated.
30:43
Speaker 7: I think that we all know that anyone who is
30:46
Speaker 7: saying things under duress when they're being held captive cannot
30:52
Speaker 7: be considered an accurate portrait of what they're experiencing. You know,
30:57
Speaker 7: John and I Hirsh's dad and I, from the beginning,
31:00
Speaker 7: we're saying we are deeply concerned and worried about the
31:03
Speaker 7: innocent civilians in Gaza who are being affected by this.
31:07
Speaker 7: And we are worried and concerned about the innocent civilians
31:11
Speaker 7: in Gaza. Who are people who were dragged there on
31:16
Speaker 7: October seventh. You know, you can worry about all innocent people.
31:21
Speaker 7: You don't have to choose it aside.
31:24
Speaker 2: You also write in your book how you learned from
31:27
Speaker 2: another hostage who did survive that Hirsh had heard you
31:31
Speaker 2: do an interview presumably on TV while in captivity, and
31:34
Speaker 2: how that was a fleeting moment of consolation for you.
31:39
Speaker 2: How important was it for you to find out that
31:41
Speaker 2: he would have known how hard you and his father
31:45
Speaker 2: fought for him.
31:47
Speaker 7: Well, from the moment that Hirsch was stolen on the
31:49
Speaker 7: morning of October seventh until that one propaganda video six
31:56
Speaker 7: months in, we knew nothing. And even that video didn't
32:00
Speaker 7: tell us anything because it was you could see his
32:02
Speaker 7: eyes moving, you know, he was reading a script. And
32:06
Speaker 7: then he was murdered on day three, twenty eight, and
32:10
Speaker 7: we were still in the blackest of holes. Except then
32:13
Speaker 7: we went even deeper, because we went to another dimension
32:16
Speaker 7: which anyone who's buried someone intrinsic to their core and
32:20
Speaker 7: identity in this world knows that you bury part of
32:25
Speaker 7: yourself when you bury that person who's so beholden and
32:30
Speaker 7: beloved by you. And then only on day four ninety six,
32:35
Speaker 7: so almost five hundred days after hersh had been stolen.
32:39
Speaker 7: Did we have the conversation that you're referring to with
32:43
Speaker 7: the release Tostage or Levy who spent some time in
32:46
Speaker 7: captivity with hersh, and he is the one who said,
32:50
Speaker 7: he pointed right at me. We were sitting knee to knee,
32:54
Speaker 7: and he said he heard you. And I said, what
32:56
Speaker 7: are you talking about? You mean he heard that I was,
33:00
Speaker 7: you know, interviewed, And he said, no, he heard your voice.
33:04
Speaker 7: He heard your voice. The captors were listening to either
33:08
Speaker 7: a radio or a TV in the next room, and
33:10
Speaker 7: Hirsh suddenly heard your voice, and he heard that you
33:13
Speaker 7: were talking to this person and that person, and that
33:17
Speaker 7: you and John were running all over the world. He
33:19
Speaker 7: heard you describing what you were doing, and that, you know,
33:23
Speaker 7: we were in this this whole of the unknown. And
33:28
Speaker 7: my assumption was that Hirsh didn't know anything. So while
33:32
Speaker 7: we were trying so desperately to save him and these
33:35
Speaker 7: other two hundred and fifty precious souls, we had no
33:40
Speaker 7: idea if they had any concept that we cared about them,
33:44
Speaker 7: that we were even still alive. We didn't know what
33:47
Speaker 7: they had been told by their captors. Maybe they had
33:49
Speaker 7: been told on on October seventh or eighth, we destroyed
33:52
Speaker 7: all of your family, all of your country. There's nothing left.
33:56
Speaker 7: You are the only people left, and no one's coming
33:58
Speaker 7: for you. So you know you're line starts to play
34:01
Speaker 7: these like very dark scary tropes, and suddenly or Levee
34:08
Speaker 7: gave me permission to know Hirsh knew, he knew we
34:12
Speaker 7: were trying, and he knew us so well. He knew
34:15
Speaker 7: us so well, and he knew that we would not
34:18
Speaker 7: stop until we got him home. And he was surviving.
34:22
Speaker 7: That was giving him strength that we know from or Levy,
34:25
Speaker 7: that was giving Hirsh's strength. And Hirsh really was a survivor.
34:29
Speaker 7: He was a survivor until he was executed. To survive
34:33
Speaker 7: for three hundred and twenty eight days, being tortured, being tormented,
34:38
Speaker 7: being starved, not bathing, having one arm, and he survived
34:43
Speaker 7: all of that until a gun was put on his
34:45
Speaker 7: skin and killed him.
34:49
Speaker 2: You write about how frustrating these efforts were at times
34:54
Speaker 2: to help bring Hirsh and the other hostages home. You
34:57
Speaker 2: met with a Red Cross in Geneva and demand did
35:00
Speaker 2: that they go in to see.
35:01
Speaker 1: The hostages in Gaza.
35:03
Speaker 2: You said they talked forever about why they could not
35:07
Speaker 2: and would never make such a demand. And you also
35:10
Speaker 2: mention other what you call important people who promised your
35:14
Speaker 2: family help but didn't come through. How let down do
35:17
Speaker 2: you feel by the Red Cross and those important people?
35:20
Speaker 1: What more could they have done?
35:22
Speaker 7: I think what our tragic, challenging ardyssey taught us is
35:30
Speaker 7: that when people in power have interests that don't align
35:38
Speaker 7: with things that maybe the masses think are values human values,
35:45
Speaker 7: then things are not going to get done. And certainly
35:49
Speaker 7: when there is a will from people in power, things happen.
35:55
Speaker 7: And we saw that happen numerous times. We also learned
36:01
Speaker 7: it's not leverage if you don't use it. But again,
36:05
Speaker 7: all of those things to me are very small in
36:09
Speaker 7: my digestion of what I'm going through and what happened
36:15
Speaker 7: and my grief trail.
36:21
Speaker 2: Since you were last in Sydney, we've had the Bondi
36:24
Speaker 2: terror attack, our own version of October seven where Jewish
36:28
Speaker 2: Australians were gone down simply for being Jewish at a
36:32
Speaker 2: Hunneker event. What would your message be to the people
36:36
Speaker 2: here who are still reeling from that event?
36:39
Speaker 1: Six months on.
36:40
Speaker 7: I think the pain is so deep and profound. What's
36:47
Speaker 7: so incredible to me is that we only grieve for
36:50
Speaker 7: people we love, and you can love people you've never met,
36:54
Speaker 7: which is why so many people started to love hostages,
36:57
Speaker 7: Hersh included. And that's why when hostages were killed or
37:01
Speaker 7: people at Bandai who people now know about and they've
37:04
Speaker 7: grown to love them, even though those people are no
37:07
Speaker 7: longer alive, they love them and so they grieve for them.
37:10
Speaker 7: And what that proves is that love is stronger than death,
37:15
Speaker 7: and that is very powerful. And so when I'm feeling
37:21
Speaker 7: this daily, hourly, minutely, secondly pain, which I'm feeling right
37:27
Speaker 7: now as I speak to you, it feels like there's
37:29
Speaker 7: a branding iron on my back. And on the other hand,
37:32
Speaker 7: I realize that that brand of pain, that grief, is
37:38
Speaker 7: also an indicator of how deep, profound and textured my
37:43
Speaker 7: love for Hersh still is. That love is still growing,
37:48
Speaker 7: and it's that love that continues to grow after the
37:50
Speaker 7: person we adored is no longer in this world. That
37:54
Speaker 7: is grief, and that should be worn as a badge
37:57
Speaker 7: of love.
37:58
Speaker 2: I love that love is longer than death. Rachel Goldberg,
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Speaker 2: Poland thank you for your time. In the Jewish tradition,
38:05
Speaker 2: we'd usually say may someone's memory be a blessing, but
38:08
Speaker 2: as you said at Hirsh's funeral, may Hirsh's memory be
38:12
Speaker 2: a revolution.
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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me, Caroline.
38:16
Speaker 1: Isn't she just incredible?
38:18
Speaker 2: And our deep thanks to the United Israeli Peal Australia
38:21
Speaker 2: for connecting us with Rachel, who is their special guest
38:24
Speaker 2: in a webinar tonight coming up after the break, all
38:28
Speaker 2: the new details in the Kumunjaii little baby story. Leam
38:32
Speaker 2: Mendez joins me later with the heartbreaking new information and
38:37
Speaker 2: just Into Alan survives the labor backroom, but can she
38:40
Speaker 2: survive and no confidence vote?
38:42
Speaker 1: David Southwick joins me after the break.
38:49
Speaker 2: Victorian premierges Into Alan has survived a labor backroom push
38:53
Speaker 2: against her leadership, but with dire polling and a minus
38:57
Speaker 2: thirty nine approval rating, Opposition leader Jas Wilson is now
39:01
Speaker 2: moving a no confidence motion to try to force an
39:04
Speaker 2: early election. Joining me now as Victorian Deputy Liberal Leader
39:08
Speaker 2: David Southwok David, it's great to see you. Is this
39:11
Speaker 2: no confidence motion which will be moved after Parliament comes
39:15
Speaker 2: back after the winter break next month. But since the
39:18
Speaker 2: government has a ten seat majority, is there much confidence
39:22
Speaker 2: that it would be successful or is this just to
39:26
Speaker 2: bring more attention to just into Allen's unpopularity.
39:31
Speaker 11: Well, great to be with you, Caroline, and I've got
39:33
Speaker 11: to say right from the outset, Victorians have had a
39:35
Speaker 11: gut full of de Cinda Ellen. They desperately want to
39:38
Speaker 11: see a change. We've got one hundred and sixty three
39:41
Speaker 11: days until an election. If you take the debt in
39:44
Speaker 11: that time, Victorians will rack up, just in the interest
39:48
Speaker 11: payments alone over four billion dollars to pay down that debt.
39:52
Speaker 11: That equates to the whole cost to run our police force.
39:55
Speaker 11: We've got a crime crisis. As you know, Victorians have
39:58
Speaker 11: had enough. So what we want to do in the
40:00
Speaker 11: five weeks between now and the time we come back
40:02
Speaker 11: to Parliament send a message to vote us into Ellen out.
40:07
Speaker 11: We need people to get behind a petition that we're running,
40:09
Speaker 11: which is voterusing too ellenout dot com dotu, but also
40:12
Speaker 11: contact their local labor MPs to put pressure on them
40:16
Speaker 11: to cross the floor to get rid of this government.
40:19
Speaker 11: We've all had enough, But each and every day is
40:22
Speaker 11: another day that Victoria won't be back to where it
40:24
Speaker 11: needs to be. We've got to get confidence, we've got
40:27
Speaker 11: to get certainty, we've got to deal with corruption, with crime,
40:31
Speaker 11: with all of the issues that Victorians are facing each
40:33
Speaker 11: and every day.
40:35
Speaker 2: Why do you think it was that Deputy Premier Ben
40:38
Speaker 2: Carroll didn't mount a leadership challenge against the Premier earlier
40:41
Speaker 2: in the week because it was widely expected that he would,
40:45
Speaker 2: until he, of course came out and said that he
40:48
Speaker 2: would back her.
40:50
Speaker 11: Well, I can give you the hot goss because I
40:52
Speaker 11: was sitting across the table from him and we asked
40:54
Speaker 11: that very question today and the Deputy Premier's response was
40:59
Speaker 11: he was from the wrong faction, which meant that he
41:01
Speaker 11: didn't quite have the numbers. He's from the right, just
41:04
Speaker 11: Cinda Ellen is from the left, and as long as
41:07
Speaker 11: he sat in the right, he didn't feel that he
41:09
Speaker 11: quite had the numbers. But that's how divided this government is.
41:12
Speaker 11: They're so focused on themselves and victorians are missing out
41:15
Speaker 11: and cost of living, everyone's struggling to put food on
41:17
Speaker 11: the table. At the moment, we know as we see
41:20
Speaker 11: each and every day with the crime issues, housing, which
41:23
Speaker 11: is one of the responsibilities I have. You can't build
41:25
Speaker 11: a home in Victoria because of the costs and because
41:27
Speaker 11: of taxes. But there's a government that's so inward facing
41:30
Speaker 11: they've stopped listening and Victorians are all paying the price.
41:34
Speaker 11: It's time we get on with it. So we want
41:36
Speaker 11: to build momentum in the next five weeks. Get people
41:39
Speaker 11: behind this. We need to ensure that we see a
41:42
Speaker 11: change of government and we send that clear message that
41:45
Speaker 11: Victorians have had a gut full and just send Allen
41:48
Speaker 11: must go.
41:49
Speaker 2: You know what you need a one nation fire the
41:51
Speaker 2: liar style campaign. Maybe you can go and tax someone
41:55
Speaker 2: thatw to help you with the slogan h ask Peter
41:57
Speaker 2: Kreline because she came.
41:58
Speaker 1: Up with that one. Now I want to talk to
42:00
Speaker 1: you about.
42:01
Speaker 2: These two women who are accused of spray painting f
42:04
Speaker 2: the ANZACs, kill the Troops and Death to Australia on
42:08
Speaker 2: Melbourne RSLs.
42:09
Speaker 1: They've now won a court fight.
42:11
Speaker 2: To keep their faces secret because they claimed they were
42:15
Speaker 2: at harm from vigilantes.
42:16
Speaker 1: Here they are arriving at court.
42:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, the diggers want to say thanks a lot, thanks
42:24
Speaker 7: very much.
42:25
Speaker 4: You are Australian. You are killing the Australian. You are
42:29
Speaker 4: not Australian. You are an Australian. You are cowards. You
42:33
Speaker 4: are a joke. You're an absolute joke.
42:37
Speaker 2: I mean, these are the types of vigilantes they want
42:40
Speaker 2: protection from.
42:40
Speaker 7: David.
42:41
Speaker 2: I know your state is the suppression capital of Australia,
42:44
Speaker 2: but this is an outrageous decision by the magistrate to
42:47
Speaker 2: grant these suppression orders. What happened to open justice in
42:50
Speaker 2: this country?
42:52
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is an Australian. These people are gutless cowards.
42:57
Speaker 11: They're very happy to go out there and desecrate war
43:00
Speaker 11: memorial grave sites, but they want to hide their faces
43:04
Speaker 11: and not actually own up and be proud of what
43:07
Speaker 11: they're doing. Well, if they're not proud of what they're doing,
43:09
Speaker 11: then don't do it. Simple and we see people hiding
43:12
Speaker 11: behind master protests when the government refuses to do anything here.
43:17
Speaker 11: The laws have to change. We are the suppression capital
43:20
Speaker 11: of the nation. Unfortunately Victoria. It's everything bad that we
43:23
Speaker 11: happen to be the capital of. Let's fix it, let's
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Speaker 11: change it. And if these individuals want to go around
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Speaker 11: doing this kind of stuff, well face up front up
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Speaker 11: and show who you are.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of everything bad going on in Victoria, just
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Speaker 2: very quickly, but the Victorian crime rate has fallen for
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Speaker 2: the first time in almost four years following tougher bail laws,
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Speaker 2: but it's still not grey news. Children are very overrepresented
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Speaker 2: in the figures. Teenagers behind sixty percent of all robberies,
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Speaker 2: fifty five percent of carjackings, almost half of home invasions.
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Speaker 2: Quick answer from you, David, But youth crime remains such
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Speaker 2: a persistent issue.
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Speaker 11: There consequences. If you do the crime, you do the time.
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Speaker 11: These people need to be locked up. We need early
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Speaker 11: intervention at the other end to stop people not hanging
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Speaker 11: around with gangs and other issues as well. And I've
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Speaker 11: got to say people have stopped reporting crime in Victoria
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Speaker 11: because we don't have enough police resources. We need more
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Speaker 11: police on the beat. Three thousand more police under Jess
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Speaker 11: Wilson will take care of crime. We'll make sure Victorians are,
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Speaker 11: once in a game, feel safe in their state.
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Speaker 2: David Southwiick, thanks so much for your time tonight, appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Coming up heartbreaking new details about the final days of
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Speaker 2: Kumanjay Little Baby the Australians. Liam Mendes, who's broken a
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Speaker 2: lot of those stories, joins me after the break now
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Speaker 2: to more shocking details about the final weeks of Kumanjay
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Speaker 2: little baby before she was taken from her mattress in
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Speaker 2: a town camp and allegedly murdered. The Australian reveals the
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Speaker 2: five year old's mother fled to an Alice Springs domestic
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Speaker 2: violence shelter twice in the last two months of her life.
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Speaker 2: The paper also reveals Northern Territory child protection workers were
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Speaker 2: warned soon after the little girl's birth that she was
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Speaker 2: living in a dangerous environment. She was failed so many
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Speaker 2: times in such a short life, and it's so important
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Speaker 2: we don't let her story be forgotten, which is why
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get the reporter who's been breaking a
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Speaker 2: lot of these stories onto the show, The Australians, Liam,
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Speaker 2: and he joins me now on the desk.
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Speaker 1: Liam, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I know you've had a very long day reporting on
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Speaker 2: another story and we appreciate your time. So this young
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Speaker 2: girl was known to child protection from birth. How was
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Speaker 2: it that she was allowed to remain living in such squalor,
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Speaker 2: such poverty and in such danger up until the time
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Speaker 2: of her death.
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Speaker 12: Well, thanks for having me on, Carolina. And obviously it's
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Speaker 12: really important that we keep talking about this story because
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Speaker 12: otherwise nothing's ever going to change. And so the things
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Speaker 12: that have been happening with giant little baby that we've
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Speaker 12: been learning about since she first went missing and then
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Speaker 12: was allegedly murdered, I have been quite extraordinary. As you said,
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Speaker 12: We've had on the on the in a couple of
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Speaker 12: days before she was allegedly abducted, she was taken sorry,
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Speaker 12: the police were called to the town camp because her
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Speaker 12: parents were having a verbal argument. And then after that
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Speaker 12: on the on the two nights before she was allegedly abducted,
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Speaker 12: the police were called again because she was her father
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Speaker 12: had allegedly bashed her mother. He was arrested and he's
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Speaker 12: still in custody. He was we saw him in court
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Speaker 12: a couple of it was about a month ago. I
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Speaker 12: was there in court. He actually when he heard about
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Speaker 12: the allegations when they were being read in court, he
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Speaker 12: bashed on the window and of the cell that he
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Speaker 12: was appearing via a VL and essentially, you know, force
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Speaker 12: a guard to take him out. He didn't want to
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Speaker 12: hear about the allegations.
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Speaker 1: Allegations about what happened to Kim and Joe.
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Speaker 12: Nor about him that were made about him. So I mean,
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Speaker 12: they're sort of trying to paint a picture of what
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Speaker 12: it's like in these town camps. These are not very
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Speaker 12: nice places. It's it's it's heartbreaking to see these young
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Speaker 12: children growing up there. You know, it's really hard to
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Speaker 12: see any perspective of them having a good upbringing and
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Speaker 12: being able to live an enjoyable life that so many
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Speaker 12: other children right across Australia are entitled to have them.
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Speaker 12: These children should be entitled to these upbrings, but instead
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Speaker 12: they're surrounded by alcoholism, domestic violence. I've seen I've sat
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Speaker 12: in these camps in the mornings, watched the school bus
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Speaker 12: go in and watch the school bus go out. There's
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Speaker 12: no children quite often inside them.
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Speaker 4: These are the.
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Speaker 12: Living cans of children in Australia.
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Speaker 4: It's horrific.
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Speaker 1: It should not be happening.
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Speaker 2: You also revealed earlier this week that police feared that
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Speaker 2: Kumunjai little baby's mother was an imminent risk of being
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Speaker 2: killed or seriously harmed by the father of the little girl.
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Speaker 2: You spoke a little bit about how she was in court.
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Speaker 2: There were more than thirty police.
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Speaker 1: Call outs in five years. At thirty.
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Speaker 2: How does it get to this point where the police
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Speaker 2: are called out that many times and a little girl
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Speaker 2: is still left in the same situation.
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Speaker 12: Well, I've spent a lot of time talking to police
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Speaker 12: on the ground in the Northern Territory who tell me
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Speaker 12: that this is actually quite something common that happens in
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Speaker 12: these town camps, and the family and the family and
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Speaker 12: children's the department. Family and children in the territory are
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Speaker 12: so overburned, overburdened by the level of work that they
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Speaker 12: have to do to investigate every time a referral is made.
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Speaker 12: They you know, there's there's tens of thousands of referrals
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Speaker 12: a year, so many of those actually hardly get looked
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Speaker 12: at at all. The cops say that it's just, you know,
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Speaker 12: day in day out, it becomes so normal for them.
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Speaker 12: They really get to know these children as well, and
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Speaker 12: they see them get stuck in their cycles.
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Speaker 1: It is horrific.
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Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Angus Taylor was and Alice Springs, we just
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Speaker 2: sent a namputenproprice. Earlier this week, she met with the
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Speaker 2: grandmother of Kumen Joe Little Baby, and Angus Taylor calls
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Speaker 2: for greate scrutiny of spending towards these two indigenous communities.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what he has to say.
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Speaker 8: Every single dollar of federal government money needs to be
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Speaker 8: working hard for Indigenous Australians. We need to make sure
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Speaker 8: that the money is getting to where it needs to be.
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Speaker 8: We need to raise the standards of education, of health,
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Speaker 8: of opportunity.
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Speaker 2: You know, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent
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Speaker 2: in the Central Australia in the last three years.
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Speaker 1: But where is it all going? He's right, isn't it Well.
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Speaker 12: We spent a lot of time in the last most
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Speaker 12: recent trip last month looking at these town camps and
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Speaker 12: comparing some of the town camps. You know, one of
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Speaker 12: the town camps, which is where the CEO of one
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Speaker 12: of the major Aboriginal corporations, is spotless. You look at
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Speaker 12: some of the other town camps on the other side
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Speaker 12: of town. They're in absolute disrepair. There's people that have
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Speaker 12: to live in tin sheds and in toilets that are
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Speaker 12: separate from the house.
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Speaker 1: It's a huge contrast.
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Speaker 2: I remember that report and it was a really good
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Speaker 2: example of how the money's being spent. Liam Mendez, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your important work and your time tonight on this
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Speaker 2: and that is all the time we have for tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you back here Monday at eight. And how
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Speaker 2: it's over to Paul Murray.