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Issue 373: James Earl Jones: A Legacy · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Not Palty.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: Well, hello, an, welcome to Aggressive Negotiation to Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: you love hearing about, because we're just fans just like you,
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  Speaker 3: and I am Jedi Master Matthew Rushing and with me
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  Speaker 3: as he is every single week, the one, the only
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  Speaker 3: Jedi Master of John Mills. John, how are you doing tonight?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm I think that we're all in
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  Speaker 1: the Star Wars community still in a state of mourning,
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  Speaker 1: if you will. Every time somebody journeys on from this
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  Speaker 1: mortal coil, there's always a little bit of a sting
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  Speaker 1: to that. And those of us who are old enough
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  Speaker 1: to have grown up with certain actors and actresses and voices,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's something that I think is very much on
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  Speaker 1: our mind.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm right there with you. I think I think everybody,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, is in that place. So we are
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  Speaker 3: going to discuss the man, the myth, and I do
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  Speaker 3: actually mean the legend that is James Earl Jones before
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  Speaker 3: we do that. Thank you so much for joining us
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  Speaker 3: and listening to us. We do really appreciate it. Follow
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  Speaker 3: us all over social media of course, you know, reviews, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 3: I had a question for you, you know, just as we
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  Speaker 3: think about James and his impact and his legacy. Was
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars the first movie where you ran into this,
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  Speaker 3: Oh just incredible. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I was three the first time I saw Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: so I promise you it's the first time I ever
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  Speaker 1: heard James Earl Jones's voice. And it's what's weird about it.
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  Speaker 1: And this is this is a hard thing to convey,
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  Speaker 1: is because yeah, somebody who's younger than me can say
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. I can't imagine a time where I
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear James Earl Jones's voice. Yeah, yeah, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's his voice in his delivery, hit everything, and
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  Speaker 1: not just in Star Wars, but his other roles is
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  Speaker 1: as familiar to me as my own family's voices. It's
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  Speaker 1: really bizarre, right because yeah, but especially being Darth Vader's voice.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the thing I always struggled with
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  Speaker 1: throughout his very illustrious career is did it always take
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  Speaker 1: you a second to move past hearing Darth Vader when
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  Speaker 1: he spoke. Let's put it this way, the first time
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  Speaker 1: you encountered James Earl Jones in a non Darth Vader role,
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  Speaker 1: did you take it extra second to realize it was him?
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  Speaker 1: Or was there something about the voice that nab you immediately?
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  Speaker 3: Man, that is a good question, because, like you, uh,
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  Speaker 3: my first time to run into him was of course
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  Speaker 3: in Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, seeing you know, if you've listened
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  Speaker 3: to the show long enough, you know that that I
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  Speaker 3: watched all three. I was a VHS kid, and so
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  Speaker 3: became very familiar with his his voice in the realm
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  Speaker 3: of Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And yet I think honestly that the next time that
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  Speaker 3: I saw him in something was actually The Hunt for October,
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  Speaker 3: when he played an admiral career And immediately I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's Darth Vader. That's so at you know, And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's he's just such a different type of person obviously
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  Speaker 3: in that role. And you know, and then I would
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  Speaker 3: go back and see things like Field of Dreams and
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  Speaker 3: and and and and I think the beauty about him
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  Speaker 3: and think that I really loved about James Earl Jones,
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  Speaker 3: is that I remember learning that this man who was
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  Speaker 3: known for his voice had a stutter as a child.
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  Speaker 3: It was just an incredibly interesting and neat story to
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  Speaker 3: hear that somebody had overcome something and legitimately became known
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  Speaker 3: for the thing that gave him the most problems as
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  Speaker 3: a young child, which you know, it's just an inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, it is. And when you think about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you cannot remove from the conversation that James Earl Jones,
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  Speaker 1: as a black man, had racial things that he had
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  Speaker 1: to deal with in his life as well, and so
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  Speaker 1: to be a black man in America who also had
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  Speaker 1: a speech difficulty to overcome to then still become one
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  Speaker 1: of the the most respected voices in performance, that is
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a thing. Man Like it's it is
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  Speaker 1: hard to overstate exactly what an indelible cultural mark he
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  Speaker 1: made while at the same time overcoming obstacles going along there.
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  Speaker 1: When you think of actors and actresses who are sort
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  Speaker 1: of born into it, like royalty, and they inherit their
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  Speaker 1: careers and everything, I would argue that I wind up
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  Speaker 1: respecting somebody like James Earl Jones a great deal because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have that leg up in any sense, and
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  Speaker 1: even if he were never Darth Vader, he still had
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  Speaker 1: an amazing career. But because he was Darth Vader, he
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  Speaker 1: became literally the voice of the Boogeyman for a generation.
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  Speaker 1: The Boogeyman might have been Michael Myers in the Halloween series,
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  Speaker 1: but he never spoke right. Darth Vader was the Boogeyman
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  Speaker 1: for those first three films, and his voice really helped
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  Speaker 1: create an absolutely indelible impression on the culture. That's just
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about it until we started.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But my goodness, who doesn't know who Darth Vader? Even
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  Speaker 1: people who've never seen Star Wars know who Darth Vader
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  Speaker 1: is and they know his voice.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a combination of factors. But let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this to turn it back around, right, because I
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  Speaker 1: know I'm rambling a little bit here, But do you
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  Speaker 1: think Vader becomes as indelible a character without James Earl Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Anderson's in the suit, There's a random ILM guy
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  Speaker 1: that was in the suit at one point for pickup shots.
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  Speaker 1: In Return of the Jedi, there's Dave Prowse obviously was
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  Speaker 1: in the suit and he got James Earl Jones. Does
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  Speaker 1: any of that work without James Earl Jones.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it is a question, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that fans have thought about for a long time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: especially with you know, the complaints that we'd heard from
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  Speaker 3: somebody like Dave Prowse and him feeling as though he
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  Speaker 3: was pushed aside.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think that in some ways it's interesting because the
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  Speaker 3: whole characterization of Darth Vader is very akin to what
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  Speaker 3: we have now with the Mandalorian, where they're very open
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that it is portrayed by different people,
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  Speaker 3: and Pedro Pascal is the voice, and then of course
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  Speaker 3: there are scenes when he is there, other times he's
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  Speaker 3: not right. He's just the voice. And I do think
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  Speaker 3: that it's incredible because I don't think Darth Vader would
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  Speaker 3: be the same without that iconic, booming, lustrous ac voice
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  Speaker 3: that you get with James Earl Jones it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that voice acting itself in many ways
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  Speaker 3: kind of goes to show just how important a voice
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  Speaker 3: is to a character. I mean, I think we've all
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  Speaker 3: experienced that as we've transitioned from Ashley Eckstein being Ahsoka
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  Speaker 3: and bringing that character life and her feeling alive in
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  Speaker 3: our minds for all those years to now having Rosari
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  Speaker 3: Dawson play the character in live action. You know, and
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  Speaker 3: voice makes characters. And I think of that too, because,
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  Speaker 3: as you were talking about the fact that he's the
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  Speaker 3: Boogeyman for one generation, he's the father figure for a
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  Speaker 3: whole other generation with the Lion King, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: a completely different role, which it just goes to show
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  Speaker 3: the incredible range that his voice had that he could
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  Speaker 3: do both.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned Mfa because that, I think
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  Speaker 1: is one of those things that gets overlooked because of
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  Speaker 1: the Vader thing. For those of us who are older,
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  Speaker 1: I forget about Mufasa until somebody mentions Mufasa and then
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  Speaker 1: I go, oh, yeah, of course, And I think you're
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  Speaker 1: absolutely right, because it's that same voice, but with just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different inflection. It goes from menacing to
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  Speaker 1: wanting to hug. When I hear James Earl Jones's Mufasa,
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  Speaker 1: I feel safe, I feel loved, I feel warm. And
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  Speaker 1: it's the same voice of the guy who cuts off
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  Speaker 1: his own son's hand and is trying to turn him
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  Speaker 1: into evil. Additionally, there's a whole other facet because even
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  Speaker 1: as indelible as his voice is, when he appeared on
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  Speaker 1: screen as just in every Man character you mentioned Field
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  Speaker 1: of Dreams, I'd argue even Admiral Greer, a career military guy,
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  Speaker 1: when he would appe here as a person that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: some larger than life mythological figure. His voice had a
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  Speaker 1: different quality about it, but all three methods of delivery
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  Speaker 1: were equally valid and equally memorable. You mentioned your first
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  Speaker 1: run across with him outside of Vader would have been
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  Speaker 1: Hunt for Red October. My first run across with him
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  Speaker 1: outside of the Vader persona was Conan the Barbarian as
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  Speaker 1: also Doom.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's another villain and that's a hard When I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid and I finally saw Conan the Barbarian, that
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  Speaker 1: was a tough one for me to get my head
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  Speaker 1: around because I was sitting there looking at it saying,
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  Speaker 1: that's Darth Vader, what yeh? Like? It was really it
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  Speaker 1: was challenging and weird to see him as that cult leader,
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  Speaker 1: totally different type of villainy, but he totally inhabited that
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  Speaker 1: character as well. Yeah, it's stunning because of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that It's easy to be dismissive of a voice actor,
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  Speaker 1: but I would say that Darth Vader is the one
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  Speaker 1: that you point to and you say, and you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I want to throw this out there at you too.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges that was faced in
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  Speaker 1: the prequel trilogy, even though they did not realize it
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  Speaker 1: at the time, was that dialogue spoken by James Earl Jones,
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  Speaker 1: And keeping in mind that we're both prequel loving fans,
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  Speaker 1: the delivery is a little bit less corny when it
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  Speaker 1: comes from James Earl Jones. I've always argued that if
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  Speaker 1: you listen to the dialogue and the prequels, it matches Vader.
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  Speaker 1: Vader's dialogue matches the era that his character comes from. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: when James Earl Jones says something, it hits differently. And
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  Speaker 1: I just want to I want to ask you, do
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  Speaker 1: you think that that was an un intentional hurdle that
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  Speaker 1: the prequels face was that there was nobody delivering the
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  Speaker 1: dialogue like Vader to make us take to make the
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  Speaker 1: general audience take it more seriously or give it as
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  Speaker 1: much gravitas.
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  Speaker 3: That is an interesting question, and part of that is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Star Wars itself being, and especially the prequels
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  Speaker 3: really kind of based around the Artherian type of legends,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the courtly nature, especially at that time period
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  Speaker 3: and everything. And I could totally see how that is
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  Speaker 3: the case. And I think what's interesting is you say that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the people who were best at delivering that
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  Speaker 3: were I mean, you and McGregor found a way to
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  Speaker 3: be able to do it even though he was a
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  Speaker 3: younger actor at that point. And of course you had
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  Speaker 3: Nisan who was this phenomenal at it, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: lem just does whatever you give him. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've talked about, you know, there there was
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  Speaker 3: a different generation of actor for the prequels for the
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  Speaker 3: most part than there was for the original trilogy, and
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  Speaker 3: those that really were able to sink their teeth into that,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them came from the previous generation of
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  Speaker 3: actor and really made it work. I mean, yeah, McDermott
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  Speaker 3: is an excellent example of being able to do that
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  Speaker 3: is the Emperor Emperor Palpatine. So I think you do
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  Speaker 3: have a point in that, because there is a way
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  Speaker 3: to deliver that dialogue even as a younger actor. And again,
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  Speaker 3: you and McGregor found the way to be able to
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  Speaker 3: do it because he was almost able to just tap
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  Speaker 3: into the serial mindset of how to deliver that dialogue,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And so no, I think there is something
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  Speaker 3: that can be missing without somebody like a James Earl
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  Speaker 3: Jones to do that. And the beauty of him too
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  Speaker 3: as a person and a care for is is an
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  Speaker 3: actor voice actor was just the way in which you know,
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  Speaker 3: he did all sorts of things from television to movies
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  Speaker 3: to voice acting. I mean, the guy was incredibly versatile
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  Speaker 3: and yet at the same time, I think one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that I came across with him is those
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  Speaker 3: places where he was able to play I think the
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  Speaker 3: type of character that was more in line, it seemed
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  Speaker 3: with his personality, you know, when it came to like
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  Speaker 3: a Field of Dreams type of fasa. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: incredibly kind, warm, loving person. I mean, I even think
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  Speaker 3: of like the sound Lot where it's like he's the
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  Speaker 3: villain at the beginning, but by the end he's the
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  Speaker 3: lovable neighbor, you know, like all of these things, right,
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  Speaker 3: and so I mean, and like even said even Admiral, Right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the guy who's behind Jack Ryan the whole
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  Speaker 3: time and and loves him believes in him was there,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's just the feeling you get about
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  Speaker 3: who he was as a human being. And I almost
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  Speaker 3: wonder if a big part of that had to do
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  Speaker 3: with his own struggles early in life and realizing that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, every moment is a gift and everybody is
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  Speaker 3: at a place in their life no matter and who
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  Speaker 3: knows what they're struggling with. And he he just seemed
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  Speaker 3: to be an incredibly genuine, kind, wonderful person. And the
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  Speaker 3: beauty was is he could channel all of that and
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  Speaker 3: play absolute evil and Darth Vader and the original trilogy
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  Speaker 3: and absolute you know, the type of father figure you
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  Speaker 3: wish you had in the Lion King. I mean that
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  Speaker 3: that's just the kind of person that that we had
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  Speaker 3: uh here in Star Wars and and and I think
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  Speaker 3: I'm incredibly grateful to him for allowing them to then
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  Speaker 3: be able to continue as they used Darth Vader uh
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  Speaker 3: and and voice that he's allowed for technology for that
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  Speaker 3: character to continue with his voice, not somebody trying to
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  Speaker 3: mimic him, but with his voice and technology to make
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  Speaker 3: that work, you know. And I think we saw the
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  Speaker 3: way that works, and you know, the Obi Wan Kenobi
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  Speaker 3: Show uh, and in Rogue one, and honestly, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the technology was even better by Obi Wan Kenobi. I
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  Speaker 3: almost wish they had gone back and re edited Rogue
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  Speaker 3: one for at least the digital release because it felt
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  Speaker 3: like him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, uh, well with with Kenobe, because he
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  Speaker 1: recorded for Rogue one, I believe. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he recorded recorded for for Kenobi. But the processing is
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  Speaker 1: the key, because the processing of his voice in the
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  Speaker 1: original Star Wars was different than the processing any time after.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you actually listen closely in Star Wars, Empire
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  Speaker 1: and Jedi, the way they process his voice changed and evolved,
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  Speaker 1: just the same way that Vader's costume would changed. It
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  Speaker 1: evolved through each production, and it's actually one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that drives me nuts about the line that they
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  Speaker 1: stole from an outtake in Star Wars and put into
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  Speaker 1: Empire strikes Back, because I'm like, that doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 1: the right prix. Break my shuttle, Yeah, well, changing bring
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  Speaker 1: my shuttle to inform my start a story to prepare
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  Speaker 1: for my arrival. I'm like, that doesn't sound right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a weird thing. I know, what a hill to
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  Speaker 1: die on, But yeah, anyway, that's the thing that's tough
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  Speaker 1: for me is with a lot of the digital technology,
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  Speaker 1: I stand on the side of saying, you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: recast stuff before, We've allowed for different actors a step
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  Speaker 1: Alden aren Reich becomes Han solo. When somebody did that
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  Speaker 1: thing where they mapped Harrison Ford over him as you know,
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  Speaker 1: oh look it's it looks like young Harrison Ford. I
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  Speaker 1: considered that so disrespectful. Give different actors the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: play the roles. We didn't do that with Donald Glover.
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  Speaker 1: We're fine with that. Maggie Gillenhall slides into the dark Knight,
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  Speaker 1: no problem. It still feels like it would be a
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  Speaker 1: sacrilege to if they had Vader come in at any point,
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  Speaker 1: to have anybody but Jones's voice there. Yeah, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest thing that Like, that's the one where even
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  Speaker 1: I would be like, hmm, no, let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: use the digital technology to do it well.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting too, because you know, we've all I
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  Speaker 3: think had instances. I think in the video games that
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  Speaker 3: he's not you know, James Earl Jones, and there's a
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  Speaker 3: difference there. I think of even the way in which
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  Speaker 3: the Clone Wars, of course used Ian Abercrombie as Palpatine
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  Speaker 3: instead of using McDermott. I think part of that was
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  Speaker 3: probably cost at that point. And of course they have
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  Speaker 3: utilized him and you know, the bad Batch. I think
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  Speaker 3: they even in Rebels they used him at the very end.
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  Speaker 3: They're part of that too, is Abercrombie had passed away.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I think that this is this
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  Speaker 3: is one of those places where I am with you
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  Speaker 3: in the sense that you know, technology and and the
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  Speaker 3: and the fact that Jones himself was in favor of
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  Speaker 3: allowing them to be able to do this makes me
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  Speaker 3: completely okay with it. Anytime Darth Vader wants to show
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  Speaker 3: up on screen that there is a piece of him
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  Speaker 3: that still exists, because everything that they create is based
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  Speaker 3: on his voice, and it is a it is based
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  Speaker 3: on him, and that's the only way they can do
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  Speaker 3: this process is because of the vast library they have
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  Speaker 3: of his voice. And yeah, I in some ways it's
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  Speaker 3: almost like, you know, even though he's gone, he'll never
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  Speaker 3: truly be gone from us, and that's there is something
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  Speaker 3: a little bit special about that. And mainly part of
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  Speaker 3: that is what we kind of talked about the very
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  Speaker 3: beginning the fact of James Earl Jones being such a
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  Speaker 3: big part of the presence of Darth Vader, but simply
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  Speaker 3: through his voice, and that's fun that that will live
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  Speaker 3: on for us.
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  Speaker 1: As painful as it might be to say, Bob Anderson,
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  Speaker 1: Dave else, the people that forgive me for not knowing
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  Speaker 1: the actor's name off the top of my head, but
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  Speaker 1: the actor in the suit for Rogue One, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the scene where he goes down the Murder Express Hallway,
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  Speaker 1: looked and moved just like Darth Vader without saying a word.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's Darth Vader. I accepted it.
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  Speaker 1: But the voice, it's just it's gotta be him. So
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to wrap up, as you know, as we're coming to
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  Speaker 1: the end here, what I want to do is I
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: want to issue a special challenge for you. I know
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that we didn't prepare for this question in specific, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: if you were to pick a James Earld Jones performance
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that's not Darth Vader, first one that pops in your
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: mind is.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It's Admiral Greer for me. And part of that is,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you know, having seen Hunt for October many many times,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: and then of course the other two films that he
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: also did Games and clear in Prison Danger where he
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: played the same character, but really, uh, it came down
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to that. And then of course second really is for
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: me is is the Lion King, So what about you?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it would be Conan and the Barbarian, not because
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it's my favorite, but because it was the first time
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: where it was a It was a formative moment in
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: my youth where I suddenly started to understand artifice in
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a different way, sort of the way that when I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: saw Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones kiss Marion and my
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: little kid brain is like, wait, no, he should be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: kissing Princess Leah, and then having that moment to go,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: oh right, it's all pretend, right. I think that his
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: performances Falsa Doom was very therapeutically and developmentally important for
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: me because I was able to say, oh right, acting
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and like, as weird as that is, it seems like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it's less special, but I think that's actually a very
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: important thing. It's like finding out when certain things aren't
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: necessarily truth as you grow up, like who your father
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: really is, right, luke, nudge nudge. But then of course
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Mufasa after that, so you know, I love reminiscing. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: wish we didn't have to reminisce about somebody. It's always
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it always hurts a little bit. And when as you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: get older and the stars that you adored growing up
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: start going, you can't help but feel the march of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: time yourself. But at the same time, I'm you know what,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the old man here. I'm grateful that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: we had somebody as awesome as James Earld Jones to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: grow up with, because, quite frankly, he made more of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a positive impression on me then a lot of the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: stars of today will make on the youth of today.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's it. Fine. I know I'm old man yelling at
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Cloud with that one. But Matt, if people want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: see you yelling at Cloud's online, where can they find you?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Like you, John, I'm definitely getting to that point in
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: my life, and you can see that on social media
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: under the name Matt Rushing zero two. You can also
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: find me here on the network on a completed show
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: called owl Post with Dray Kaufman as we talked about
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: every single chapter of the Harry Potter series, and then
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: over on the TFM network you can find me doing
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a bunch of shows like the six o two Club
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and so many others talking about Star Trek. Six o
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: two Club though, is where we talk about everything outside
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of Star Trek that we love, and John's a frequent
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: guest over there, so please check that out. But John,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: if people want to catch up with you, maybe heck
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: they want to share their favorite memories of James Earl Jones,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: where could they find you?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Well, you can contribute to my twenty twenty four presidential
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: campaign by finding me out there on social media as
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Kessel Junkie K s s E l j u n
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: ki E. I can tell you that I'm the most
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: honest candidate that you will encounter.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I heard you were the clear winner at the debate, so.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I'm the clear winner everywhere every day, and I'm the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: only one that you should be voting for. Trust me
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because I'll always I'll always deal straight with everybody. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you can also find me here on a show on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the Nerd Party network called house Lights that I co
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: host with Darren Moser and Tristan Riddell where we talk
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: about the works of directors. We have a great time there.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But Jenni Master Rushing, I think it's time to light
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the beacon so that we can appreciate again. James Earl Jones,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: John, negotiations are closed.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party,