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You're listening to the Bring the Thunder Podcast, a podcast
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by fans, for fans. Yes, You are welcome, ladies and
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gentlemen, to the Bring the Thunder Podcast.
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We have another episode back for you guys today.
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We have just a few pretty good topics here that we're going to
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cover, not just talking about only some deep Thunder stuff,
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but talking about some news around the entire league, trying
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to talk about what people can do to stop OKC, and talking about
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how dominant this season has been for us so far.
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So without further ado, Joe, why don't you kick us off with our
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first little topic here? First topic of episode 29 is OK
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C, the best team ever regular season wise?
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Let's dive into it a little bit. Obviously, the 1516 Warriors
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broke the NBA regular season wins record with 73 wins
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previously held by the 9596 Bulls.
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Obviously we're very early into the season, but there's a lot of
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optimism surrounding OKC right now breaking in order to break
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that record. OK, C has it started off 23 and
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one. Obviously the Warriors started
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off 24 and O 24 and one. They lost to Milwaukee and the
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Bulls started off like 20 and two.
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But with that being said, I kind of want to like have a
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discussion with you guys about it because, yeah, we all know
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it's a long season. So many things could go South,
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so many things could get better. One thing I really wanted to
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focus on was OK, C has the best net rating out of all 2, all
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three of these teams we're talking about.
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Another thing I wanted to talk about was the obviously the
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points per game are higher because it's, you know, we're in
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a different type of NBA. Even though the 1516 Warriors
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kind of kick started this NBA, this generation that we're in
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now, but they have also the biggest point differential at
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15.3. The Warriors had a point
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differential of 11.6. The Bulls had a point
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differential of 12.3. I do think the Bulls it was a
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little bit more impressive because obviously their points
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per game was lower than the Warriors and OKC.
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They were at 1:05. The team that held the record
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for that long is at 105 points per game.
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That's just crazy to see how far the NBA has come, but they held
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their opponents to 9392.9 points per game.
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But with that being said, I'm going to kick it to you guys
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because I want to know what your thoughts on one, can we do it 2,
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will we do it? And I kind of just want to say
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like really quick, I think we're going to do it because our
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starting five that played in the finals last year hasn't even
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played a single minute together so far this year.
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But I'll kick it to Gabe first. Yeah, I'm glad you made that
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point. That was kind of where I was
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going to immediately go towards is the big difference between
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this team and those other two teams.
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Let's talk about the Warriors first.
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The Warriors created what was considered arguably one of the
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most toxic super teams of all time.
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People were not a fan of the way this team was built.
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They didn't like how it was set up.
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Obviously we can respect parts of it, having the the team
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chemistry, the IQ, Draymond and Curry alone, those two already
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and Clay as well. That three right there was, you
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know, that was enough right there.
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But it it's it's the way the team was built that people
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didn't like. But let's look back as one of
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the bowls, another big three, another big team as well.
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But what's the difference between that and our team?
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It's the depth. Our team is ridiculously deep.
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We have so many different variations of a lineup that can
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be played, so many different types of players, different
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different schemes we can run. And all of that is insane
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because I mean, as we just saw against the Jazz, I feel like
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we've always said, if you put four players on the court with
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Shea, they will win a game. Well, what happens when Shea is
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the player that's not on the court?
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Well, we still win by 25 points because we have so many players
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who can come in and make a difference.
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I don't know if you can say that about those other two super
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teams. If, if, if Jordan's out or if
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Curry is out, do those teams still win as easily?
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Warriors probably, you know, I mean, they had such a good team,
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but like it it, it's the fact that we have so many guys who
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can all come in and make such a big difference.
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And I think makes this team unique and makes it different
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from those other teams. We have so, so much deep talent.
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But do I think we can do it? Yes, I absolutely think we can
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do it. The only thing that's going to
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keep us from doing is ourselves at this point.
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Do I think we will do it? I'm going to say yes right now.
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We talked about this before the season even started.
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And I do remember predicting that we would win in the mid 60s
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for games. I was trying to be incredibly
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optimistic but incredibly careful with that prediction.
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Well, we're now 23 and 1. So at this point it's like I, I
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kind of have to momentarily throw that, that cautious, that
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cautious, like, I don't know, I got to kind of throw that out of
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the window for a little bit because we are 23 and one, the
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one game we lost, we, we just straight up shouldn't have lost,
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but we did. We, we, we beat ourselves, lost
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by two, but we're to that point where I have to be like, why
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couldn't we do it and why won't we?
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So ignoring any potential injuries and, and that really
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that's it. Injury is the only thing that
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will keep us from doing it. Yeah, we will beat ourselves,
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but I don't think we'll beat ourselves enough games to not
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beat the record because right now we've made it through 2324
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games this season. We only beat ourselves badly
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enough to lose 1 game. So I mean, if you keep that
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going at that same rate, we will easily clear that record.
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So the only thing that's going to stop us is injuries.
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God forbid that happens, that that would be the the downfall
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to the season would be injuries. But the other side of that is
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like, would it be the downfall to the season?
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I mean, like we're that good. That only player that would
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really, really, really, really tank us is Shay.
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If Shay got hurt, yeah, we'd be screwed.
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But like we've we've we went. I don't we were what, 19 and one
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before J Dub came back, 18 and one before J dub came back.
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We haven't played a single minute, which we'll talk later,
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but we haven't played a single minute with our our official 5
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on the field on the court at the same time, like Hardenstein
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hasn't played in in a in a week and 1/2 chat.
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We know he can randomly miss game.
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I mean, I'll let savor get in on this, but my point is, can we do
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it? Absolutely at this moment, I'm
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inclined to say we definitely will do it, but hopefully no
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injuries happen. And until then, I mean it.
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Once the starting five comes together, I think it's going to
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be a lot scarier than it is now, which is crazy to say.
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Answer for me is yes, this OK Z squad clearly belongs in this
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conversation as the greatest team ever.
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I think between their league net rating, their elite two way
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players, young core being locked up, probably having one of the
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top five coaches in the league, number one GM in the league, and
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then all the on the court hustle metrics from each and every
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single player, probably one through 10 and even past that.
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Like that's unforeseen for most other teams you've already
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mentioned, like the main point of, you know, us missing J Dub,
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us missing Hartenstein, even us missing Shay in the recent game.
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It doesn't feel like it matters who we're missing.
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And the scene is just gelled to the point where it feels like
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they're unstoppable, unbeatable. Even with the like warriors
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teams. I'm sure there was, you know, a
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feeling of like, oh, we can't really beat this team because of
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the level of Steph and Klay and Draymond and all those guys.
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But we knew those guys were, you know, historic level talents at
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that point already with these guys.
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We don't even know what half of these guys trajectory even is.
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And I feel like that's what, you know, for this season.
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We can still say like, OK, we could get there.
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But by the end of the season, I think it'll be a resounding yes
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with the amount of games they'll end up winning, probably
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shattering the Winds record. And all of this feels a little
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accidental. I don't know how it feels to you
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guys, but it feels a little like they're kind of just rolling
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into these wins and coming in. And I I saw the joke of just us
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starting like a fourth quarter podcast because we're not even
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playing half the, you know, fourth quarters in most games.
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And that just shows how dominant we are there.
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There's just so much more that can be revealed when we push to
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the full limit. And I think even in the last
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finals and even in the last playoffs, we saw like, I feel
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like there was another level we could take.
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And then going into this season, we all felt like there's another
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level. And it feels like we're always
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kind of holding back to where I don't think the other fans or
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organizations are realizing exactly how good we are because
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Shay is not playing his full minutes that he could be.
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And, and I just, it's just mind blowing to me, like the stuff
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we're shattering in terms of records and analytics and stuff.
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And we don't have to deep dive that right now.
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But just from that perspective, just looking at that, it's it's
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crazy to me. What do you think, Joe?
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Yeah, I agree. And we're talking about regular
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season win record here. So I'm, you know, we have the
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potential to be the greatest team of all time, regular season
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and post season together. But right now I just want to
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focus on the wins record. And I mean, I love what both of
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you guys said, especially Gabe. The only time OKC loses so far
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in the last two regular seasons is if they beat themselves,
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which is 90% of the time when they lose or if a team just goes
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absolutely berserk one night or OKC just doesn't have it right.
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Like there was a game last year against the Lakers, OKC just
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didn't have it. The Lakers shot the ball like I
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think it was their best 3 point percentage of the whole season
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in one game that that one really sticks out.
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But the similarities to the this war, this Thunder team, the
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Warriors team and the Bulls team is they they all had head
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honcho. We have SGA, the Warriors had
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Steph Curry who was unanimous MVP like unbelievable seasons
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anyone back-to-back and obviously Michael Jordan for the
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Bulls. But they also had their
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sidekicks J Dub, Scottie Pippen, Klay Thompson, and then they
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had. Kevin Durant, I'm not letting
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you slide by that. No, no, no, no, no.
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Klay Thompson was not the sidekick it was.
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Yeah, like KD even after the year after he came the he came
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the year after Golden State won the 73.
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But I'm talking about like specifically in those seasons,
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even like if you look at our team now, we have like a
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Hartenstein, Golden State had a Draymond, the Bulls, you know,
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Dennis Rodman and it goes. And even like you go like Tony
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KU coach. And you see, like the Warriors
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had an outstanding bench. They had guys like Maurice
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Spates and Leandro Barbosa and Shawn Livingston, who were all
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excellent role players, knew their role and honestly won them
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titles. Like when they came in in the
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finals, they looked outstanding. OKC has that too.
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Alex Crusoe, Chet Holmgren, Isaiah Hartenstein, Isaiah Joe,
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they add AJ Mitchell. Like it's very similar.
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All three of these teams are very similar.
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They're just in different eras of, you know, or generations of
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the what is the NBA? But for me, I'm I'm locking it
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in. They're going to break it.
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They want to break it as long as they stay healthy, right?
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That's the big if. Knock on wood, but if they are,
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there's nobody better in the NBA than SGA right now.
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You could cry for Jokic, don't talk to me about Luka and
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Giannis is playing for the Bucs or whatever.
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And and there's just not a better team or a deeper team or
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a team that clicks all together as a as a whole unit.
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So why, why shouldn't they win it?
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Why? Why shouldn't they break the
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record? Yeah.
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One of the things that particularly stands out to me as
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well about our team is while these other guys had run these
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dynasties and had these great years and great teams, none of
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them had the the future foundation that we have.
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That that's what's insane is the amount of draft picks, the
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amount of like Saturday was talking about.
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We have all these young guys who we still don't even know what
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their ceiling could possibly be. And the fact that each year
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we're just getting getting more mature, getting more experience
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and whatnot. Like that's crazy.
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Like with the Warriors, they were not young like they, they
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were in the prime of their careers.
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They were in the middle, but they were not young like this.
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I mean, I guess like you can argue that Shay isn't
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necessarily young, but he he's sure as hell he's an old he's in
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the he's in about the early stages of the peak years and
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that's insane to think about. J Dubs young Shay is young.
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We have 4000 draft picks that are just waiting to to take over
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at some point. And and as of right now,
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obviously this can change, but we keep talking about it.
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Clippers pick is third right now.
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We are currently projected a top three pick at this very moment.
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They're weird. 23 and one. Our current conversation topic
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is, is this one of the greatest teams of all time and we're in
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arguments to get the top three pick right now.
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Yeah, none of those other dynasties had that.
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That's kind of scaring me because the Warriors ended up
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blowing the Finals lead when they broke the the regular
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season wins record. Obviously the Bulls won, but
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really good points by both of you there as well.
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So after you started and Gabe, you just sent it home.
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Like Bulls were in their prime, Warriors seemed they were all in
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their prime. We have one guy like maybe
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Hartenstein too, I guess, but like 1 real guy in his prime and
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that's SGA and he's just entered it these past two seasons.
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And we don't know the trajectory of Jalen Williams.
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He could end up being Scottie Pippen, which Savier and I
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talked about a lot last season. We truly believe that.
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Or even better. Or even better and.
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I always say he plays like, why man?
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And then we add, you know, Chet Holmgren, who's looking better
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and better each season, each game, honestly this year.
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And then you get like AJ Mitchell, a guy who we thought
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was decent, but he's an absolute Hooper.
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Like he's outstanding off the bench.
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The potential's there. They just have to seal the deal.
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And I, I think to close this segment out that they're going
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to break the record. Yeah, I think that's fair.
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OK, well with that, let's move over to the next segment after
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that. We're talking about how this OKC
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team is so, so dominant, but let's take a look and have some
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conversations about some of these line UPS.
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Obviously one of the things that we talked about it was the
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official starting 5 has not played a single minute together
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this season just because of injuries and whatnot.
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That's insane to think about the official starting line and being
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Shay Dort, Dub, Chad Hart, none of them have played it like a
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complete 5 minute Ross or five man roster together.
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Not single minute is just insane to think about, but we've had a
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lot of really dominant rosters. Just just to drop this in real
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quick, if you guys go check out some of our premium memberships
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and whatnot in our episodes, we've been talking about those
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rosters. We've been breaking down some of
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that stuff. So like there are a lot of
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interesting rosters that OKC has run this year and and, and
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lineups and in different schemes and whatnot that have worked
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really well. Obviously, pretty much
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everything we've done this year has worked really well, but
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there have been some that have stood out for sure.
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So I figured let's just kind of get into that and talk about
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some players who we think that should be either getting more
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minutes, maybe some players that we think should be getting less
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minutes. Obviously the elephant in the
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room being that main starting five should be getting, you
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know, at some point here soon. Everyone should be healthy.
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We should see how that goes. But let's talk about some some
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players would like to sneak in. So if you guys don't mind, I
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kind of want to start this one off with a player that I would
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love to see getting more minutes.
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And we actually just did our premium episode about him and
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that's Alice Caruso. I know obviously he doesn't come
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into games unless we really need him.
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We need him in closing time, we need him in close games or
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whatnot. But I think he's the kind of
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player who he is injury prone, but I still don't see the harm
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in giving him minutes just to get his shot going.
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He's about a 38% career 3 point shooter.
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However, I will say it's been a little bit spiky with us.
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He's had some games where he's really streaky, other games
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where he's missing. I feel like he's the kind of guy
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who, if we just give him some minutes, like I'm not saying he
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needs to be playing 20 minutes a game against the Jazz, but I, I,
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I just think he's the kind of guy who obviously we broke down
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all the advanced metrics and whatnot.
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He's the kind of guy who he touches the court and all of a
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sudden the, the game switches and, and things start to take
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over. So Caruso is one guy who every
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lineup he's a part of, it feels like our, our point differential
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is just ridiculous. So what what are you guys
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thoughts on some line UPS that we we should be seeing more
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often men? This honestly gets really tough
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with the minutes distribution. But I think Cason's been
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honestly just more and more deserving into his starting
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level minutes that he's getting. I think he's getting 20 minutes
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and something that I like about Mark's wave, I guess
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distributing the minutes this season.
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He knows who is 10 people are. And I don't think there's a
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doubt this season with kind of how the roster pinned out, with
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just just how it formulated. And I feel like J Wills getting
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like 18, Alex Crusoe is getting about 19 and then Joe's getting
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his 23. Aaron Wiggins is getting his 25,
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AJ is getting 27 roughly. Hartenstein is getting 27, Cason
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getting 28, Chet's getting 29 minutes, Dort's getting 29 and
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then J Dub's in there with 33. And the guy I haven't mentioned
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in terms of he's he hasn't played enough games to really
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have a good idea of how many minutes he'll get when he's
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fully healthy as J Dub. So having said that, I feel like
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it's case in Wallace, man. Like the guy, I'm going to say
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he can come into the starting lineup and you know, just I
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guess muck it up, especially with Hartenstein being injured.
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And if we do go to just having one center on the court, which I
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personally like at times I I know me and Joe have spoken
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about this, where should we play double bigs or should we not?
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And is it is game to game like, you know, bigger line UPS.
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We can play the double big. But me personally, I like the
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pace and space type of modern basketball.
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And Hartenstein does doesn't his place out doesn't provide for
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that. And Cason is another guy that's
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essentially Alex Caruso at a younger age that's able to guard
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up on bigger players and he's able to put on those minutes
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versus Crusoe just can't. So I like to keep him on the
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bench the way he's aging, especially the fact that he's
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picked up two injuries this season as well.
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So it's hard for me to advocate for him to start picking up more
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minutes. I'm just over here like, survive
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until the playoffs and play them, you know, when we need
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them in the fourth quarters. But outside of that, like for
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the 1st 3/4 and who I want getting the most minutes is
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Casein Wallace. It's very interesting, this
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team, it's so hard. It's so hard and I'm just
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thankful that I'm not Mark Bagnall that has to make these
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decisions, which I do want to give him a lot of credit for.
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He's been doing a wonderful job. We got on him a little bit last
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season, but this year, no complaints so far.
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I agree with both of those. I'm always going to be with
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Aaron Wiggins. I I think he's so good.
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I think he's such a prolific scorer.
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You just don't get to see it enough, especially on this OK C
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team. It's tough.
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It it is like Savage said, it's a game to game basis, especially
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in the play offs. It's a match up thing.
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Like Casey Wallace started in the finals and he didn't start
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all play offs long. Alex Caruso would come in and
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start second halves and and Hartenstein would sit and come
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off the bench. It's a tough thing.
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But for me, can we just give him a little more opportunity?
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Aaron Wiggins, he's shooting the ball lights out this season.
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He's getting to the rim. He looks super comfortable,
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super confident and and whatever he whatever he's doing on the
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floor, he's not a bad defender. I I just think he's I think he's
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excellent. Like when we have a guy like
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Kayson Wallace, I'm not talking about benching Kayson Wallace.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about benching
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Alex Caruso, But in these regular season games, right, and
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the important ones like tonight's game we're talking
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about, and by the way, this is pre recorded for you guys.
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Don't worry about tonight's game.
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We're talking about playing the Phoenix Suns without Devin
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Booker. Like let's get Aaron Wiggins in
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there and see what he could he what he could do against a very
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good defense so far this season and see if we could just end the
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game early with him. Because if he hits 3 threes and
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a quarter, it's probably over because then everyone else is
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open. Shay's driving lanes are wide
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open and another three for Wiggins and then Chet gets a
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dunk. Another like the games could be
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quickly over. Now the other side of that
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conversation would be OK, but Caruso and and Wallace will get
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a steal leading to a dunk and then the deflection leading to a
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turnover leading to a dunk. And which is?
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Absolutely true, which is a blessing.
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I mean, we get all these different ways to score with
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that even like absolutely. Like I showing one-on-one, which
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is obviously Shay's role, but I don't know.
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I just I love Aaron Wiggins and I'd love to see more of them,
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but it's just it's just tough. It's tough, yeah.
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Yeah, can I let's I was gonna Oh, go ahead, go ahead, Gabe,
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just just a quick thing. I I've said this so many times
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and I and I feel like a broken record repeating with OK C, but
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there is just never been a stronger sense of the of the
20:40
definition of just suffering from success like that.
20:44
I say it all the time and that's what it is It it's you just
20:47
named like 4 different possible lineups that all result in 23
20:51
and 1 record right now. So yeah, you go on sat there
20:53
though. I was going to say the only
20:55
thing I can nitpick about Wiggins game this season is his
20:59
lack of free throw production. I was just looking through his
21:01
stats like everything else seems fine.
21:03
His point Soto is a little below AJ, which is kind of shocking
21:06
with his tenure with the team and AJ's rise with the team.
21:10
But I'm just looking at, I don't know, the aggressiveness may
21:14
just not be there because his free throws attempted is only at
21:16
one versus a JS getting to the rack a lot more.
21:20
And obviously Aaron Wiggins role around the team has become like
21:24
becoming a three-point specialist alongside Isaiah Joe.
21:28
But I feel like he's way more capable than that.
21:30
Like he hits crazy moves when he's on the court like he can do
21:33
behind the backs into dunks and you know all that type of stuff.
21:37
So. Put back dunks this year, he's
21:38
gonna put back dunks in. No, that's what I'm saying.
21:41
But his free throw numbers are showing me or indicating to me
21:45
he's not being aggressive enough for the offensive end.
21:48
So that could be even some points that he's leading off the
21:51
table, at least if I'm making an argument against him versus a
21:55
guy like Cason Wallace, who is, you know, providing an all
21:59
around game and then on top of it, the defense, I'm trying to
22:03
look at his free throw numbers real quick.
22:05
They're down as well. But I still prefer the defense
22:10
that Cason gives over any production anywhere else.
22:15
So like, here's my thing, Gabe and SAP here, SAP here really
22:18
quick to answer you is like, yeah, I mean, his point total
22:22
might be lower than what AJ is doing, but AJ is getting like
22:29
more touches, more minutes. Like Aaron Wiggins is at 20 a
22:33
game 2019 maybe sometimes because at the end of the games,
22:37
Aaron Wiggins is respected enough on this team to not be in
22:40
with the the third string, you know, at when we're beating team
22:43
by 40. But he's also not getting those
22:46
starting minutes. So he's like kind of in a Gray
22:48
area is what like it's weird, but point for Kayson is top five
22:53
in defensive impact this year is when Benyama, obviously you got
22:58
Hartenstein, Chet and Kayson right there.
23:01
They're 2-3 and four on the on the in the top five.
23:03
So I mean, that's how we won a championship last year.
23:06
And obviously I don't see us going away with from it, but
23:09
there is possibilities like if there was an injury or two,
23:13
we've seen it. There's a lot.
23:15
There's like 10 different line UPS that is OK C&T, OK, C team
23:18
could make and I still think that they would win the
23:21
championship with yeah, as long as Two's there.
23:24
Yep, I agree. OK, well with that let's go
23:27
ahead and get into the next topic Savier.
23:29
I think you had some information on this one regarding a a
23:32
certain commentator who who made a a statement about OK, CI know
23:38
that they had talked about it's with Celtics, Celtics were
23:42
mentioned. So what do we got there?
23:44
Yeah, I'll go ahead and talk a little bit about it on the no
23:47
fouls given podcast with Danny Green, Paul Pierce said the
23:52
Boston Celtics are the only team in the NBA that stands in front
23:56
of the OKC dynasty. And he's not just talking about
23:58
just this year where they've had a pretty solid start to the
24:01
start to the season, even with missing Tatum for the year, But
24:05
he's saying generally for the next 5 years that they're going
24:07
to be the team that's competing back and forth with us.
24:10
And I want to give it to you guys early and then I'll, you
24:12
know, take the reins. Back on the commentary.
24:15
Joe, what are your thoughts bro? Yeah, dude, for me, I, I love
24:19
it. I love it honestly, because
24:22
after they won the championship against Dallas, myself included,
24:25
a whole lot of people are saying, well, this is I don't
24:28
think anyone's going to beat Boston.
24:30
I was one of the teams that's I don't think anyone's beating
24:32
Boston. I thought they were going to
24:33
repeat. Obviously they picked up the
24:35
injury in the Knicks series and it looks like they were probably
24:37
going to lose the Knicks series anyway.
24:38
But Boston looks really good and if Jason Tatum could get back to
24:43
full health, it's OK C and it's Boston, which is super fun
24:46
because I wanted it to be OK C and Boston in the finals last
24:49
year. I thought that was going to be
24:50
an amazing final. We ended up getting an amazing
24:52
final anyway and it's probably better off that OK C got Indiana
24:55
because we still we're super young and and still relatively,
25:00
I don't want to say inexperienced, but didn't have
25:02
as much experience as the Boston Celtics have had coming off
25:05
their championship win. And they've been in deep runs
25:08
with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum for years now.
25:11
My one thing is, yes, those two alone are very good.
25:15
They're going to have to build around them again because they
25:17
got rid of obviously Porzingis, Drew Holiday, that that core, Al
25:21
Horford from the championship team.
25:24
But we've seen teams, as long as they keep their two stars, that
25:27
we've seen teams be able to build around them consistently.
25:30
And the Boston Celtics have a fantastic front office.
25:33
They always have and always will.
25:35
So yeah, I mean, I don't think that they're better than OK C at
25:38
all. I saw SGA go into Boston last
25:40
year and beat them without Jalen Williams in the regular season
25:44
in Boston. But again, I think it would be
25:48
fun as hell. I think it would be fun as hell
25:49
for these two teams to kind of be like like the Lakers, Boston
25:53
of the early 20 tens, the Spurs, Miami of like the mid twenty
25:56
10s, you know, like stuff like that.
25:58
The the Cavs Warriors, because the NBA kind of needs that
26:01
again. Everybody was so happy for that
26:03
to go away until it went away. And now they're like, oh, well,
26:06
a new team's going to win a championship every year.
26:07
Like every everybody who hasn't won the rings, just get there
26:10
giving out free. Like no NBA needs that.
26:12
And I think they're going to get it as long as Tatum gets back to
26:15
full health, which he looks like he is.
26:16
Yeah, for sure I don't. I want to start by saying I
26:19
don't blame Pierce for saying this.
26:20
I mean, he's going to represent for his team.
26:22
He's going to, he's not going to.
26:24
He's always been a little bit of a doubter of OKC.
26:27
He's definitely had his phrases about us and things to say about
26:30
us. And I, I believe he even issued
26:32
some sort of apology after he won the finals.
26:34
But he's definitely been someone who has always had a lot of
26:37
commentary towards Boston on that side of it.
26:39
Though I will say I think in an East that is definitely weaker
26:43
right now and granted, the Knicks are definitely good.
26:46
I think the Pistons, I don't know.
26:47
I'm I'm waiting to see how the Pistons continue to go.
26:49
It feels like their record's a little boosted right now.
26:52
I don't. I don't know if they're as good
26:53
as as. Good as they look.
26:55
But in an East that definitely is struggling right now where
26:59
Giannis, one of the best president in the NBA, his team
27:01
is like an 11 seed. Yeah, a healthy Boston team.
27:05
There's no reason they couldn't be the kings of the East.
27:07
I mean, it feels like they absolutely could be on top of
27:09
that. And and having that rivalry that
27:11
you talk about, Joe, or for the next three years, Boston comes
27:14
out on top every single year. And I think some people get sick
27:17
of that being Boston particularly.
27:19
I think a lot of people are ready for Boston's time in the
27:21
sun to be done. But it's not.
27:22
It's never going to. Be no Jalen Brown is a pretty.
27:25
Player. But there's a reason that in a
27:27
poll that came out today, there was a release poll that OKC was
27:31
voted as the best front office in the NBA.
27:34
Right behind us was Boston. Boston was the second voted
27:37
because they built an incredible.
27:38
I mean, everything about what they built is insane.
27:41
Stevens is an insane man. I mean, the fact that he went
27:44
from being coached to running the team is crazy.
27:47
It's really it's, it's a tip of the hat to the intelligence.
27:50
I mean, he, he's a he's a presti.
27:52
He he's AGM, who it thinks so much deeper about the game than
27:56
most of the other owners in the entire and GMs in the entire NBA
27:59
do. And because of that, they're
28:01
they're good. You know, he he set them up to
28:03
be good. I just think everything that
28:05
they do is is at least pointing them in the right direction to
28:08
remain relevant. I mean, like you mentioned, Joe,
28:11
they will always be relevant to the Boston Celtics, but the
28:13
talent is absolutely there. Something I think is interesting
28:17
that will help them. Picking up Anthony Simons is
28:20
really something that's that's stood out to me.
28:22
He is averaging like I believe 13 points this year rather than
28:26
20, but he's also averaging about 10 minutes less.
28:29
He's shooting really efficiently.
28:30
I believe he's shooting about 41% from three, maybe 40.
28:33
But he's been an efficient player and he's a young guy that
28:35
can just help to continue to reinforce this team.
28:37
I mean, there's a lot of things around this team that will
28:39
continue to help. Obviously this year we're
28:41
probably not going to see much from them given the whole Tatum
28:43
situation, but Tatum is Tatum is just there was this motive that
28:48
was getting pushed that he was not an elite player.
28:50
For a little while, people were trying to act like he was
28:52
overrated, which I I do not enjoy that motive at all.
28:56
I think Jason Tatum is easily one of the better players in the
28:58
NBA when he's fully healthy. If you're going to argue
29:01
anyone's overrated, I think it's easier to argue Jalen Brown.
29:03
But I still think Jalen Brown's an incredible player.
29:05
There's no shade towards him at all.
29:08
Yeah, no, he's he's doing what he can.
29:10
But my point here is Boston's built an incredible roster.
29:14
They're absolutely one of the teams that went healthy.
29:16
Yeah. I am gonna be concerned about
29:17
them. And it it, it almost reminds me
29:19
of where the Warriors are at now.
29:21
I'm concerned about them because of not necessarily because of
29:24
how talented they are and more so because of what they've done
29:27
and what their IQ is. They're an incredibly smart
29:29
team. The kind of team that you you
29:31
saw these teams were Jimmy Beller on the Heat.
29:33
They were like pulling off these crazy wins, making big wins in
29:36
the playoffs. And you're like, how are they
29:37
doing this? That's kind of how I feel about
29:38
this Boston team where their roster will be better than that
29:41
heat roster. But at the same time, they could
29:43
be a huge underdog and I would still likely have them winning
29:46
series because they have the experience, they have the IQ,
29:49
they have the players who play well together.
29:51
And that's I mean, those are some of the best recipes to
29:54
success right there. So I I don't dislike this at
29:57
all. I I get what Pierce is saying.
29:59
I do do I think we're better? Absolutely.
30:01
Do I think we beat them in A7 game series?
30:03
Absolutely, even if they're fully healthy, but it's worth,
30:07
it's worth talking about. Absolutely.
30:08
I, I definitely think Boston's a fun team.
30:11
I want to talk about their roster 'cause I feel like we're,
30:15
I, I feel like you guys are downplaying them a little bit.
30:17
I'm looking at their depth chart with Peyton Pritchard starting
30:21
Derek White right there, Jalen Brown having an MVP level
30:25
season, or you know, MIP level leap here with 29 points per
30:29
game. Kind of if we were to.
30:32
Match up against. Him it would be like Tatum
30:34
versus SGA, which is a pretty efficient, you know, getting to
30:38
the line both of the players, both at least MVP caliber
30:43
players. So it's at least worth having a
30:44
discussion around. And then Dylan Brown, you could
30:47
make an argument is right there with J dub, if not better this
30:50
season, especially with the injury that he's had.
30:53
And then Derek White plus Prayton Pritchard, that they
30:56
have to be equal to us having a guy like chats.
31:01
If you could just for argument's sake, I feel like there's just
31:04
only one or two starting pieces away from making some moves.
31:08
And I was looking at their draft capital that's upcoming.
31:12
They're making some moves here. They punted out of this upcoming
31:16
draft to be in the future 1. So they're looking to make moves
31:20
in that 2026 for the summer. So it looks like they're
31:23
definitely, you know, gearing up for something.
31:27
I don't know what that is. Obviously waiting for Tatum to
31:29
get healthy as well. But just from a lineup
31:32
standpoint, like they have good pieces.
31:35
Nemias Cada, this season has been a bright spot for them.
31:40
Jordan Walsh, who I loved in the summer league, he's a baller.
31:44
Sam Hauser can absolutely shoot it.
31:46
So they have a good bench that they could, you know, some of
31:49
the starting guys, they could push back to the bench with
31:51
Tatum coming in. And then honestly, they're just
31:53
one center away, similar to having like a guy like Al
31:57
Horford where they could compete right there with us when Tatum
32:00
is back. And even if they don't get Al
32:02
Horford level talent because he's a really special guy where
32:05
he can play defense and offense and stretch the floor and he's
32:08
just really smart. So it's a hard to find those
32:10
guys. But if they get anything even
32:12
compatible to that level of talent out in the open market,
32:16
or even if they end up, you know, drafting a guy like that,
32:19
then certainly I feel like the argument's right there that
32:23
outside of the in the East, I really am not scared of the East
32:26
at all. And I think he has a point.
32:29
So I'm going to agree with Paul Pierce, probably for the first
32:32
time ever. Yeah.
32:33
Well, I guess that makes all three.
32:34
Of us agreeing with them. But with that being said, like
32:39
Simon's is on a one year deal, so we'll see what they do with
32:42
him, but they absolutely have a plan.
32:44
Like they, like I said, they've always consistently been able to
32:47
build around the two guys, Tatum and Brown, and they're going to
32:50
continue to do that. They built the championship
32:52
roster. I'm sure they'll build build
32:54
another one. But it kind of sounded like
32:56
before we end this topic that Savier was kind of saying like,
32:59
oh, they need a compatible, compatible center to play with
33:03
them like Al Horford type guy. Isaiah Hartenstein would be.
33:07
That guy, but he's not going there.
33:08
So other than that I don't know who it would be anyway.
33:11
I hate. That you even said that because
33:13
he's on a contract a year man, and he's the exact guy they're
33:16
looking at and I'm like, why would that even?
33:19
It's, I mean, it's something to talk about later this season at
33:22
least. Oh my goodness.
33:24
And I knew where you were going with it and I hate that you even
33:28
mentioned it. We can move on.
33:29
That killed the topic for me. All right, well with our.
33:34
Last little topic. It kind of ties into exactly
33:36
what we were just talking about, and that is there's been a lot
33:39
of trade rumors. There's been a lot of talks
33:41
about teams making moves and whatnot.
33:43
There have also been talks about GMs being, and the word is
33:46
actually this being afraid of OK C and being afraid of what's
33:50
happening. So we're just going to talk
33:52
about what are some moves that some teams need to make and what
33:55
are some decisions that that some other teams need to make to
33:58
to at least be on our level and try to contend with us and
34:01
really make a difference. I mean, you have got like the
34:03
Nuggets, who we kind of talked about this before.
34:06
They're they're probably our biggest threat.
34:08
They're not exactly needing to make any changes.
34:10
They just need to let it play out, let it roll out.
34:12
But then you got other teams. I mean, one of the biggest
34:15
rumors is where is Giannis going if Giannis does end up leaving
34:17
and goes to a team that actually could use him?
34:19
I mean, does that team become a contender?
34:21
It depends where he goes. So let's just start, let's
34:23
discuss some of this. Yeah, But I, I.
34:26
Want. To go first, this is a comment
34:29
about Kyle Kuzma just about 30 minutes ago, 20 minutes ago
34:32
actually on the report that Giannis met with his teammates.
34:36
This is kind of a weird statement by him.
34:39
I don't really remember a time he met us.
34:42
He didn't sit us down like The Apprentice.
34:44
It didn't go down like that. That was his exact statement on
34:48
the alleged meeting with Giannis and his teammates.
34:52
I really, that's a interesting thing to say for his exact
34:57
teammate and pretty much saying like since the trade rumors, he
35:01
hasn't even met with us. I feel like that has something
35:05
that's a little bit different of a tone out of Giannis because he
35:08
usually says like very quickly to his teammates and everyone
35:12
that's willing to hear him. Like I want to be a buck, I want
35:14
to be a buck. But it seems like I mean the
35:19
tone's changing that kind of just.
35:20
Tells me over there really quick like he probably told them we're
35:24
going to run this out and he probably told him to pick it up
35:28
in the nicest way yeah and and we'll see how it goes like if it
35:32
if it goes S like if we all think it probably will he's out
35:36
of there but I think it'll I think he'll finish the season I
35:39
don't think trading. For a.
35:40
Superstar midway through the season ever works I agree with.
35:43
That statement, but I don't think he honest waits till the
35:46
end of the season. I think if he's ready to go,
35:48
it's happening within the next couple months, I think.
35:51
I think we see I, I can see early January is was when he
35:55
kind of forces his way out. At some point there was that
35:57
rumor that he was going to give them the 1st 25 ish games of the
36:01
season to see if they contend. They're not contending.
36:03
I, I don't know if that's true exactly, but there's not been a
36:06
lot of comments against that proving that it's not true.
36:09
And if now Kuzma's coming out and saying that it's not been
36:11
addressed, which leave it to Kyle Kuzma to be the one who
36:14
comes out and leaks something, he probably, but that's that's
36:19
definitely trouble in paradise. I mean, there's a lot of
36:21
concerns there and there's a lot of places he could go.
36:23
But with that, I wanted to mention the Rockets as a team
36:26
because I know a lot of people talk about him going to the
36:28
Rockets. I don't want to talk about that
36:29
because I think that's ridiculous.
36:31
I don't think. But I want to talk about the
36:34
Rockets. Being a team that could contend,
36:36
the one thing they need is desperately is a playmaker.
36:39
They need a point guard like nothing else.
36:41
I mean, they're they're rolling out players that should not be
36:44
playing point guard right now trying to roll out that guard.
36:47
I mean, at one point they were trying to have Thompson play the
36:49
guard role who cannot shoot, frankly, but thinks.
36:52
But he there's an interview where they asked him why he
36:55
shoots so much if he can't shoot.
36:57
And he was like, I don't know, I figured I might as well put up
36:59
shots and try to get confident. And the problem is that's not a
37:02
bad mentality to have. If you can shoot, he cannot
37:05
shoot. I mean, there have been a lot of
37:07
shots from him this year that have been rough.
37:08
So what do you guys think about the Rockets?
37:11
What's the move that they can make if if they're really
37:13
seriously wanting to be taken a little more seriously?
37:16
I find one very. Obvious.
37:18
Very funny. I think Chris Paul, and I know
37:22
that Katie and him were beefing last year, like on court, but
37:25
that probably doesn't mean much. I mean, if they're grown men
37:28
anyway, I think Chris Paul, they lost Van Fleet.
37:32
They don't necessarily have a point guard.
37:34
That was the problem with K DS sons.
37:36
They never had a real point guard.
37:37
They had book, but you got to give him credit for he like took
37:40
over the role, but that's not his, that's not Devin Booker.
37:44
I think Chris Paul. I don't think the Rockets need a
37:47
lot more like Dorian Finney Smith is coming back.
37:50
I think that's a pretty underrated acquisition for them.
37:52
He's a solid player 3 ND type guy.
37:56
Get a veteran point guard. And if it's not Chris Paul, dare
38:00
I say Russell Westbrook A. Move the Rockets can make if I
38:07
was them, since they've already botched the fact that they had a
38:10
great young core, they might as well botch it some more and go
38:14
after Giannis. At this point have a Giannis,
38:18
the Nasus combo and send like Amin, Thompson, Reed, Shepherd
38:24
and just say this isn't working out for us.
38:26
We have KD right now. We're going to pair him up with,
38:30
you know, Giannis and straightaway Steven Adams,
38:34
Terry, Terry Eason, who they're not utilizing to the way they
38:38
need to and maybe put two first rounders like a 2027 in there, a
38:44
2031 that they have available. What do you guys think about
38:47
that trade where they just say, you know what, we're just going
38:51
to go for it this year because we don't have much of Kevin
38:54
Durant left. I think you got you.
38:58
OK. The idea of Durant, Giannis and
39:00
Sangoon on a team makes me want to throw up.
39:02
Like, I hate that. I hate the the thought of that.
39:05
I just feel like that would be incredibly problematic.
39:09
I don't know if I think those three could play on a team
39:11
successfully together. I do think anyone that gets
39:13
Giannis, Giannis will succeed. I mean, Giannis isn't the
39:16
problem, but I don't know if I can see the three of those guys
39:18
working together without any sort of facilitator.
39:21
Because right now another player they've been rolling out is Reed
39:23
Shepard as their as their point guard, which that's also just
39:26
not not good for them. So I mean Sangoon is basically
39:32
facilitating to the best of his ability.
39:33
They call him little Yokich. I mean he and ways he plays like
39:36
him. But if those three get on that
39:38
team together, I really think they have a serious, serious
39:41
problem with. I mean, I think they'd be a
39:42
bottom five team in in assists per game.
39:44
I I think their points off of assists would go straight down
39:48
the drain. And I mean for if I'm the Bucks,
39:51
I'm Oh my goodness, yeah, I'm absolutely taking a package like
39:54
that. I mean, getting someone like
39:55
Amen, who's this young athletic talent with first round picks as
39:59
well, getting some other players and they're like, yeah, I'm, I'm
40:01
I'm comfortable taking that. But the Rockets, I think that
40:04
would just be moving on from one problem and and opening up
40:08
another a new one savvier. And I did an.
40:10
Episode I think multiple multiple episodes over the
40:13
offseason about the the Rockets worst.
40:16
Trade. Ever.
40:17
Yes, they're a good team. This year, if they kept Dylan
40:20
Brooks and Jaylen Green, they'd be We covered that we were
40:24
probably the. Only ones early I remember
40:26
myself. You guys probably stopped at it
40:29
when I said Dylan Brooks is I'd rather have him.
40:32
And I was not joking. I'd rather have Brooks.
40:34
And Jaylen Green right now than an aging Durant I would with
40:38
the. Way they.
40:38
Play. I mean, they'd be killing it.
40:40
Obviously. They're very good.
40:41
They're still contender this year, which I don't necessarily
40:45
think that's right, but just so dumb.
40:49
They already screwed it up once. Don't screw it up again.
40:51
Just leave it. Try to win.
40:53
I don't know, Joe, Joe. Joe and Gabe, before we move off
40:56
the Rockets and go to a new team, I have one more, one more
41:00
to entice you guys. I think this one's a lot better.
41:03
Houston Rockets receive a disgruntled James Harden and the
41:07
Clippers receive Fred Van Vleet, who's on a, you know, his deal
41:12
with his injury and Dorian Finney Smith, Aaron Holiday, a
41:16
2027 first, 28 first, 29 first, 2031 first.
41:22
I feel like for James Harden with the level of production
41:24
he's having this year and you need a point guard.
41:26
You know, it'll work with Kevin Durant because it has in the
41:28
past. And you have a guy like Shingoon
41:31
that's high level offensive player, at least offensively.
41:34
the Rockets would be able to at least say they could contend in
41:37
a way, right? Like maybe not from a defensive
41:40
standpoint, but you still have a men Thompson out there helping
41:42
out. So I feel like this is a decent
41:46
look. That's the whole trade, yeah.
41:48
If that. Trade happens.
41:49
I think Houston becomes extremely dangerous.
41:52
Like, I think Harden would work very, very well with that team.
41:55
The only way that move like that does happen is if the Clippers
41:57
do decide it's time to completely blow up, because I
41:59
don't think that return is like the greatest thing in the world.
42:02
I mean, it's definitely at least you get something.
42:05
Yeah, at least you get something out of Harden.
42:07
But like, that's if the Clippers decide that we're done, which
42:10
they I'm not just saying that because we have their pick.
42:12
They probably should be deciding that anyways.
42:14
That team is an absolute mess. But if the Rockets make that
42:17
trade, yeah, that's that's what they need is, is someone like
42:20
Harden who's accepted this new role of I can facilitate.
42:24
I can, I can I can swing the ball, I can run the offense and
42:27
I can still get 20. You know, that's that's
42:29
dangerous. Selling it this year.
42:30
He's better. Than he even was last year.
42:32
I thought last year we had a thought last year had a pretty
42:34
good season. So he's been playing very good.
42:36
That's absolutely the move, SAP. I'd like to applaud you on that
42:39
one because that. That that's.
42:43
That's the contending move right there and if they rockets think
42:45
they're going to do it, do it do it don't fuck up anymore because
42:48
it pissed me off. But I'm I hate the Rockets, but
42:52
another team for me to kind of wrap this up here is.
42:56
Denver doesn't need to do anything.
42:58
Like Denver has everything, and for me.
43:02
That's it. Like I don't.
43:04
Think any of these teams could do anything this season to
43:08
contend outside of Houston? That trade right there and you
43:11
know, Denver's there anyway. But right now, this season,
43:15
they're not competing this year. Down the line.
43:19
Yeah, they can make moves and and re readjust their rosters
43:22
and open space up like Boston's going to.
43:24
We covered that already. But it's for me it's just
43:28
Denver, Houston and OK C and I really just think of Denver and
43:31
Houston. I can.
43:33
I can in time shoot with one more team out east.
43:36
This is this is a rare one. But what do you think about the
43:40
Detroit Pistons, whose I said one move away from contention?
43:44
Detroit receives Anthony Davis, Naji Marshall Dallas receives
43:49
Tobias Harris, Karis LeVert, Jayden Ivey, a 2026 and a 28
43:55
first rounder. I feel like that's worth
43:56
considering Joe, for Anthony Davis to contend.
43:59
I mean for. Detroit it's, it's worth
44:01
considering. I don't like it at all.
44:04
Anthony Davis, we saw him the other night.
44:06
He scored. Dade's playing out of his.
44:07
Mind, I have things I don't like that for Detroit.
44:10
I I don't honestly, I don't like AD and Duran and the paint
44:14
together. I, I think both of you guys, I
44:15
don't think, I think Duran's numbers are going to, you're
44:17
going to see his numbers drop pretty heavily, but AD does like
44:20
playing. The four, he's only I'm not.
44:22
I'm not doubting that he can. But I think Duran's usage is
44:24
going to go down drastically in that situation.
44:27
But my problem with that trade is trading away Ivy.
44:29
I do not think Jaden Ivy is someone you should be trading
44:31
away. I think Jaden Ivy has his insane
44:34
potential. I, I absolutely love his play
44:36
style. I, I really, I really think he's
44:38
a great player. But my issue with the Pistons
44:41
team, I just don't think that they're they're ready for the
44:44
playoffs like I think they're have, they're going to be this
44:46
great regular season team and I think they're going to hit a
44:48
tough team in the playoffs and they're going to get, I think
44:50
they're going to get rolled. I really do the difference from
44:53
last year. Was they had it, they had a
44:55
really good core. They had Malik Beasley who
44:58
fucked up and screwed them over terribly and they had Dennis
45:01
Schroeder off the bench was always good and they had to move
45:03
on from him and they didn't really add anything.
45:05
So with that trade, maybe it makes them a little bit better.
45:09
Maybe it, you know, put some top tier in the East.
45:12
I'd still have New York. I still would have New York.
45:16
But like I'm talking as. In contending I'm talking.
45:21
You could get there in the weak ass East, but you're going to
45:24
get smacked by any of those teams and that's fact.
45:27
And I'm not trying to rhyme. I promise I didn't do that on
45:29
purpose. So kind of cringed me out a
45:31
little bit, but I I don't think that moves.
45:34
I don't think that moves the needle enough for them.
45:36
It might for the East, but well, and I mean you.
45:39
Know we all know the risk of trading for Anthony Davis.
45:41
It's either going to pay off beautifully or it's going to
45:44
look real bad because they could only be 1.
45:46
Injury away from retirement right now and it's not like he's
45:49
in the. Peak of his prime either.
45:50
I mean, he's he's he's trying to hold on to the prime and when
45:53
he's fully healthy playing, he is incredible.
45:56
But even this year, while he's been healthy, he hasn't been
45:59
like one of the top five players in the league, which we've seen
46:02
him reach those heights before. So it's like, yes, that trade
46:05
could be worth making if you just want to make a move to do
46:08
something. But if something goes wrong,
46:11
that that's that's you don't want to stunt the.
46:14
Growth of the Detroit Pistons and they're on such a great
46:17
trajectory and I don't think that would work, but it would be
46:20
really funny because it would end up just being what, like
46:23
Luka Doncic for Jaden Ivy and Tobias Harris at the end of the
46:26
day for the show there. So all right, Savi, you got one
46:30
more. Yes, I've got this.
46:32
Is the last one for the trade rumors and I feel like I'm
46:35
trying to give you guys realistic options like I'm not
46:37
just trying to, you know, put something out there that isn't
46:40
going to happen. But I think the warriors are
46:43
finally moving on from Jonathan Kamingo, whether it's this trade
46:47
that I'm proposing or anything else that's going to end up
46:50
happening. But the Warriors receive Daniel
46:53
Gafford, IO Desumu and a 29 second round pick from Chicago.
46:58
Chicago receives Jonathan Kaminga to pair alongside their
47:03
boy Josh giddy, Trace Jackson Davis, a 2030 second rounder and
47:07
a couple a Dallas 2032 second rounder.
47:10
Dallas receives Toby White, which they need a point guard
47:14
and a 2027 Golden State first rounder.
47:17
I feel like that's a win win, win as best as you can put it.
47:21
Come on guys, tell me I took 1 W out of this video.
47:24
Please. No, that's AW for sure.
47:26
The idea of Gideon Kuminga on the same team is incredible.
47:30
I think those two could absolutely work together.
47:33
I love everything about that. The first one, it was who, what
47:36
was the first part of that was a warrior.
47:39
Daniel Gafford and I are the Sumu, which I think is
47:42
beautiful. I like that.
47:43
I think, I think Golden State getting a really good center is
47:46
absolutely something that they can benefit off of.
47:48
I mean, they've been running quit and post minutes this year,
47:51
which he's not bad, but not Daniel Gafford.
47:53
And then the last one was Dallas getting Kobe White, which gives
47:58
him a point guard who can run, who can score.
48:00
He's a point guard shooting guard who can score alongside
48:02
Kyrie when Kyrie's back. I like that one.
48:04
I do. I'll give you that.
48:05
Stop here. Joe looks a little a little more
48:08
a little more off, but I think that's a great 33 team trade.
48:11
Savvier's going to hate me. But again, it's like I, I do
48:14
enjoy that trade. It's really fun.
48:17
I. Don't think any of I don't
48:18
think. That makes any of them a
48:19
contender. Like I not worried about the.
48:22
Warriors I. Don't know if it makes a
48:23
contender. But it definitely makes them all
48:25
stronger. And and in the NBA, like anyone
48:28
who's even a strong team, I think, especially in the East,
48:31
can sneak away and contend. I mean, the Bulls would, that
48:33
would make the Bulls, to me a top five team in the East.
48:36
And they can, yeah. But you guys are higher on?
48:38
Giddy than I am. I mean, he's having an.
48:40
Insanely Goodyear right now. I know yeah, Josh giddy right
48:43
now. And if you give him a lob
48:45
threat, oh shit. We've we've not seen him with a
48:48
seriously athletic freak of a lob threat.
48:51
I mean J Dub's athletic, but not Jonathan Kuminga athletic.
48:54
Jonathan Gaminga jumps out of the gym and he's having a good
48:57
year too with his minutes. I think he compared those two
48:59
together. They still have Vuch, who is an
49:01
absolutely great senator. Vuch gets Vuch.
49:03
Don't even give me a start on Vuch.
49:05
Vuch is so underrated, bro. Vuch is an awesome center, but
49:08
that Bulls team I really think could be pretty decent.
49:10
But the problem with that trade savier is the fact that AKA
49:13
makes a trade. The Bulls would rather just burn
49:15
in hell and do nothing ever than make a trade.
49:17
So that's the problem with that trade is all of it's realistic
49:21
except for the Bulls. Actually, I was just thinking
49:23
the Bulls fall into the trade, right?
49:25
I would hope so. That's the only chance they get
49:27
It is if they Yeah, I I think that's an amazing.
49:30
Trade, I really do. I I just for?
49:34
I'm not in on. Kaminga as much as Gabe is, I
49:36
think Kaminga had the potential. I think the clip of him, you
49:40
know, talking about picking up girls on the bench the other day
49:43
kind of bothered me. He was talking to Gary Payton
49:45
like he's completely checked out of basketball, it seems.
49:48
And I think there's a reason why they don't play them all day.
49:51
But I don't know, I just trust the Warriors organization.
49:55
I think there's a reason they don't play them over there
49:58
overrating them. I I'm absolutely.
49:59
Overrating them. Or maybe and we don't.
50:01
Know we haven't seen them outside of golden but the last
50:04
thing I'll say before we wrap up our episode here is Dallas.
50:07
I'm actually a huge fan of their young guards that they have
50:10
right now and I don't think that they should change anything
50:12
right now besides get AD off the team, get Kyrie off the team,
50:17
start building up and and build around flag Nemhard and Williams
50:21
because they look right. I'm being dead serious like they
50:26
they look good and it's a little scary.
50:29
Don't credit. Nico for that, though he doesn't
50:31
get credit for it. He.
50:32
Didn't he was Shan Cooper flag? He didn't.
50:33
Yeah, he accidentally. Did this, Yeah.
50:35
He fell right into it. Yeah, what about the Warriors
50:38
with? Daniel Gafford though, like I
50:40
think they I think they can contend.
50:42
I think they could get the Curry Jimmy and Gafford is I think
50:45
that could be and and driving the minor dream on.
50:47
Here's here's the way I look. At it like they got Gafford
50:50
right. Do they contend?
50:52
Can they? Don't forget Pat Spencer either.
50:54
Yeah, right, right. We'll see when.
50:55
That ends Can they beat OKC if they get Gafford?
50:58
Well, no one can be OKC, Joe. That's the funny part.
51:01
Can they beat Denver if they get Gafford?
51:03
They couldn't. Contend against them.
51:05
I think they can give them a series, but I don't think they
51:07
would beat them, I think. They could take them to to.
51:11
I don't think they're beating Denver and I don't.
51:13
Think they're they could, I think.
51:14
They, I think they could beat Denver.
51:16
Even if they can't beat them, it's still just.
51:18
But you're just, you're pretty much just.
51:19
Throwing. Sorry, Gabe, you're pretty much
51:21
just throwing Daniel Gafford onto the team that from last
51:24
year that beat the Houston Rockets in seven games without
51:29
KD. So if they're not beating Denver
51:33
and they're not beating OK, I preferred the Rockets without.
51:35
Katie Anyways, yeah, I know. Me too.
51:36
Well, here's all. I don't think that's called a.
51:39
Contender if you're not competing with they they had two
51:41
injuries, though they. Had Jimmy hurt Steph hurt?
51:44
So I feel like healthy. They can they they can be there,
51:47
man. That's what I was going to say
51:49
too. Is like to me, a contender isn't
51:50
necessarily are you the number one team?
51:52
It's just can you can you put up a fight?
51:54
And I think they could put up a fight with Golden with with the
51:57
Nuggets. So to me that's contender
51:59
worthy. Do I think they would win?
52:01
No. So I guess we'll just leave it
52:04
at that. But definitely I think it's it's
52:07
a fun trade. It's a well set up trade for
52:08
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