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Expedition Rove on Overlanding South Africa and Namibia · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Ashley Jordano and I'm your host for this episode,
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  Speaker 1: and today I'm in Johannesburg, South Africa with hiyall.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mary Hannah and we are we make up Expedition Road.
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  Speaker 2: We are right now traveling from the original plan was
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  Speaker 2: Cape Town de Cairo, but we have been in Southern
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  Speaker 2: Africa now for four months and fates and stars just
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  Speaker 2: a line and we got to meet up with Ashley here.
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  Speaker 2: So pretty excited to sit down with everyone and just
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  Speaker 2: kind of chat through the last couple of years of
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  Speaker 2: travels and.
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  Speaker 1: Yay, thank you so much for joining me. I've been
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  Speaker 1: eager to have you guys on the podcast for quite
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  Speaker 1: some time. I've been following your travels for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about this opportunity to sit down
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  Speaker 4: You guys are traveling in a twenty ten Vender one
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  Speaker 4: one ten, Yes you knew it nice and name is Tango.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: They actually got named Tango before we eventually bought it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so at the time we were in Bolivia on the
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  Speaker 5: u Yanni Salt Flats, we did the typical landrover thing.
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  Speaker 5: We were like, f landrovers, We're going to go buy
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  Speaker 5: the Toyota and then I started looking online and we
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  Speaker 5: ended up getting a Nova Landrover. But while we were
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  Speaker 5: looking at it, we were like, this is Tango and
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  Speaker 5: then it just stayed throughout and then we said, if
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  Speaker 5: we win this auction, we'll go to Africa.
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  Speaker 2: We won the auction, and now I was twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: So the original plan with this vehicle, we bought it
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  Speaker 2: on the auction site. Like Andy said, we were in
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  Speaker 2: Bolivia and he was just looking as he always does
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  Speaker 2: at the market for vehicles and stuff, came across this
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  Speaker 2: one and it was a great deal and we were like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's just go for it. We were considering Africa at
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  Speaker 2: this point in time, and we basically decided if we
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  Speaker 2: did buy, if we won the auction, then we would
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  Speaker 2: go to Africa. Won the auction. Fast forward four months,
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  Speaker 2: we flew back over to the UK, built it out,
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  Speaker 2: and then we shipped it to South Africa. So this
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  Speaker 2: was now March of twenty twenty. Everyone knows how March
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  Speaker 2: or twenty twenty went. So COVID kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: lockdowns began about three days after we actually shipped it.
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  Speaker 2: We got the word. We called the company, We're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: can we get it off the ship? They're like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for pretty much the same thing that you're paying to
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  Speaker 2: ship it all the way to South Africa. So we're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we might as well, just risk it for the biscuit
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  Speaker 2: at this point, and we went ahead and shipped to
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  Speaker 2: South Africa. Five months later after it being in storage,
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  Speaker 2: we shipped it back to the UK, did a couple
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  Speaker 2: of other trips like UK to Turkey, up to the.
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  Speaker 5: Arctic Circle, UK to Sweden, then not Turkey, Yeah, but we.
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  Speaker 2: Did UK to Turkey, and then we also did Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then after all of that, and after kind of
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  Speaker 2: the world opened back up, you never really gave up
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  Speaker 2: on the Africa dream. And so in February of this
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  Speaker 2: year now, twenty twenty three, we shipped Tango back down
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  Speaker 2: to Durban for round two. And yeah, now we're about
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  Speaker 2: five months into what should be about a year long trip.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all goes.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. So a little bit of perseverance pay off.
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  Speaker 1: So when you were in Bolivia at the Cellar the Union,
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  Speaker 1: you saw this for sale, you were on another trip
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  Speaker 1: at that point, Yeah, I love what not happened on
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  Speaker 1: a trip figure on another trip.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like that's usually the way it goes. But
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  Speaker 2: that trip, we originally thought we're just going to do
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  Speaker 2: the California to Argentina trip and then that'll be it.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was in Bolivia that the conversations really started.
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  Speaker 5: And that trip for us were like we'd never well,
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  Speaker 5: would never even know. All the landing were a thing.
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  Speaker 5: We thought, Oh, we're just going to drive and probably
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  Speaker 5: not see anyone like.
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  Speaker 2: Us, and you know, no one else is doing this
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  Speaker 2: type of thing. You know.
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  Speaker 5: We looked at them and we thought, oh, we'll drive
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  Speaker 5: from here to here, and like, you know, I'll probably
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  Speaker 5: take like two and a half months.
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  Speaker 1: Naive, So naive it was your idea.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it took us like nine and that we're pushing it.
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  Speaker 2: That time period. Just to give a little bit of context,
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  Speaker 2: Andy was on a two year visa in the US.
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  Speaker 2: His visa was coming to a close, and we were
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  Speaker 2: both living in California and it was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: we had the vehicles. We had never done a long trip.
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  Speaker 2: We had done like four day weekend trips you know,
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  Speaker 2: and Joshua Tree and up to Yosemite and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: and he was like, Hey, I really think I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do this trip from California to Argentina. We've got
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  Speaker 2: the vehicle, I've now got the time that my visa's
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  Speaker 2: running out, and I was just kind of like kill
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  Speaker 2: see when I see you, you know type of thing, and.
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  Speaker 1: How long have you been together at that point? Four years? Oh, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've been a little wild then yeaheah.
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  Speaker 5: I left the British Army and then got a visa
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  Speaker 5: for California and that were like twenty month visa. So
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  Speaker 5: just working at a little independent Landrover garage, which were
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  Speaker 5: good because it got my confidence up as well. For
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  Speaker 5: the trip. LA three or Discovery Free to the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the world. Came into the shop and a guy,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to get rid of its. It needed a
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  Speaker 5: new transmission and I think I paid like three thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars for it, and my boss said, oh, you can
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  Speaker 5: take this whole went out of a range of a
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  Speaker 5: spat transmission, out of range of sport. Put that in
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  Speaker 5: and that's the vehicle that basically took us to the
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  Speaker 5: bottom of South America. So like a three thousand dollar
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  Speaker 5: vehicle and like everyone gives you a landro of a
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  Speaker 5: bad name, it was still on original as suspension and
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  Speaker 5: it's got two hundred and twenty thousand miles on the clock.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, But this is kind of a cool full
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  Speaker 2: circle moment for Andy and I because Andy was trying
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  Speaker 2: to convince me in twenty eighteen to quit my corporate
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  Speaker 2: nine to five job and go on this trip from
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  Speaker 2: California to Argentina.
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  Speaker 5: That were a really big thing.
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  Speaker 2: For That was a really big thing because I was
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  Speaker 2: very comfortable in my career. I had a great job,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew kind of the direction I was going
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  Speaker 2: in all of that. So I really struggled with the
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  Speaker 2: idea of leaving that and not being able to come
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  Speaker 2: back to it. So when the first the idea first
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  Speaker 2: came up, I was like, yeah, I had to nogo
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  Speaker 2: for me like a non start or not, like not
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  Speaker 2: even having a conversation about it. And then after a
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  Speaker 2: couple of months of and this is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the full circle moment, Andy was showing me like Richard
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  Speaker 2: and Ashley's Instagram profile. It was like, these guys are
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  Speaker 2: doing it, we could do it too, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: then yeah, and then I would come home from work
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  Speaker 2: and he would casually have ex Overland on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: At the time, this is when they were on like Amazon,
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  Speaker 2: and so we I was just starting to like open
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  Speaker 2: my eyes to the fact that, oh, there is other
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  Speaker 2: people doing this. I didn't even know that like you said,
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  Speaker 2: overlanding was in our vocabulary. This was not on our
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  Speaker 2: radar at all. And so that was the point that
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, we could we could maybe do this,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And so yeah, about a month before we
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  Speaker 2: actually went.
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  Speaker 5: Well we only decided to do this trip three months
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  Speaker 5: before we set off as well. Yeah, so like you
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  Speaker 5: had two months where you were like, I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to do it, and then I showed them your profile,
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  Speaker 5: like these can do it, because I think the problem
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  Speaker 5: is with international overlanding and you've never done it before,
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  Speaker 5: is you get an advice off people that I've never
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  Speaker 5: done it, only see things on the news or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: And then we start saying, let's only take advice of
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  Speaker 5: people that have actually done it from that day forward,
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  Speaker 5: and then that's sort of change your mind a bit,
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  Speaker 5: and like getting out of that American bubble and saying,
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  Speaker 5: now let's just leave the obs. She we was so
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  Speaker 5: scared of leaving work and like all work would have
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  Speaker 5: sepassed her and should never be able to catch up again.
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  Speaker 5: Where realistic, that's not a thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's really important to bring up, because there is a
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  Speaker 1: sense of security and safety and predictability and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have asked me about that, and I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other travelers have had the same question.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what are you going to do when you
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  Speaker 1: get back? What are you going to do about your
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  Speaker 1: job when you get back? Are you going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to go back to that job or get another
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  Speaker 1: one and will be able to find work afterwards? And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a really good point to bring up about it's
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  Speaker 1: important to feel that safety and that security and that stability.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was one of those of like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the fear of of missing out on
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  Speaker 2: such a big life experience, as probably FOMO in the
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  Speaker 2: simplest of terms, was what convinced me to end up
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  Speaker 2: actually going. But then from there, I think the moment
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  Speaker 2: that we just did, moment I decided to go, was
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  Speaker 2: the moment that I started channeling all of my energy
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  Speaker 2: into the trip. And then other opportunities ended up coming
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  Speaker 2: up and we made a plan around for me, it
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  Speaker 2: was really important to continue my career on the road.
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't want to take this year long gap
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  Speaker 2: where at the time it was supposed to be a year,
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  Speaker 2: we're now like four or five years in, and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to have that gap in my resume or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is to then come back and say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we just decided to drive around the world. I really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to continue networking. I really wanted to continue all
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  Speaker 2: those relationships that we had, and now four or five
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  Speaker 2: years in, I wouldn't want it any other way. And
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  Speaker 2: I do feel comfort in the fact, like Andy knew
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  Speaker 2: this prior to me knowing it, of like, there's always
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  Speaker 2: going to be another job, and there's always going to
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  Speaker 2: be another opportunity, and why ever you're doing in life
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  Speaker 2: is probably preparing you for the next thing anyways. So
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  Speaker 2: right now I feel very confident in the fact of, like,
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  Speaker 2: if we decided to stop traveling tomorrow, I could probably
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  Speaker 2: find a job very easily, just simply because of our
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  Speaker 2: experience and the other stuff that we've done outside of
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  Speaker 2: what a typical nine to five job is. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's something that anyone that's considering a long term trip,
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  Speaker 2: there's probably some type of fear or obstacle that they're encountering.
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  Speaker 2: It may not be a job thing. Figuring out whatever
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  Speaker 2: that is and then recognizing is it a true fear?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a true like is it actually true in
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  Speaker 2: your life that you're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: find another job, or is it you just giving pushback
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  Speaker 2: to the opportunity because you're a little bit scared now.
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  Speaker 2: I was definitely scared of walking away from my job
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't it's the unknown. But ultimately, anything in
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  Speaker 2: the overland space, at least to us, is like you
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  Speaker 2: can sit at home and be very comfortable, but over landing,
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  Speaker 2: to us is all about getting outside of that comfort zone,
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  Speaker 2: pushing past that and trying to find new experiences, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's in your home country and it's close to home,
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  Speaker 2: or if it's around the world somewhere. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think that was the first kind of like break in
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  Speaker 2: the mold for me to open my eyes to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there might be something else out there and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: all have to be scary. We'll probably figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: It's also a muscle yeah, I feel like yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: I have been in those situations as well where we've
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  Speaker 1: taken a break and we're getting back on the road
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  Speaker 1: and like, are we can we do this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I am so comfortable and everything's predictable and having a
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  Speaker 1: little mental crisis about it, and then you leave and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, it's Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was this past month. We've been home
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  Speaker 2: in the US for a month. We went to just
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  Speaker 2: visit family and stuff and just being surrounded by that
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  Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, I was like, we
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  Speaker 2: still have like half a trip in Africa. It's like
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  Speaker 2: a totally different mind and it's so easy to go
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  Speaker 2: back into that. So that just shows you just a
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  Speaker 2: month at home, we were like, Okay, we live here now,
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  Speaker 2: and you can do that at any point. So it's
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  Speaker 2: like almost forcing yourself on a daily basis, like just
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  Speaker 2: little things of I.
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  Speaker 5: Think basically you need to remind yourself that, like, what
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  Speaker 5: is a year out of your life in the grand
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  Speaker 5: scheme of things. Yeah, it's nothing if you would just
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  Speaker 5: keep going as you are, But should you take the risk,
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  Speaker 5: it's probably a year that you'll never forget, in a
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  Speaker 5: year that you'll probably talk about you're seventy year old
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  Speaker 5: or whatever that would be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I can't agree with that more.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's and if you hate it, you probably
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  Speaker 1: have the resources to go back home, and yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's always going to be there, and it's probably you'll
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  Speaker 5: you'll go back after say, for instance, I've been in
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  Speaker 5: California for a couple of years. Then we've done Central
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  Speaker 5: South America. Then I've not been on for three years
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  Speaker 5: at that point, and I think, oh, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: what's going to And then you get back, people are
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  Speaker 5: still in the same seats, talking about the same things,
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  Speaker 5: doing the same thing. So you're not going to miss out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, generally, Yeah, I think life is going to continue on,
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  Speaker 2: but you can pop back into it at any point,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of the beauty of it. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't think anyone should ever be scared
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  Speaker 2: to just go for.
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  Speaker 5: It, like what happened. And just like you said about
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  Speaker 5: going back home, a lot of people have a worry that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, something might happen with family or whatever and
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  Speaker 5: you're on a different continent. Well, for us, Mary Hamner's
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  Speaker 5: grandma got sick and we were in the top of Botswana.
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  Speaker 5: We just went on Google when we found some signal. Right,
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  Speaker 5: Whereas the next flights it happened to be in Johannesburg,
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  Speaker 5: which were you know, like an eight hundred mile drive,
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  Speaker 5: will drive there, eight hundred mile, get on the plane.
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  Speaker 5: Before you know it, you're back in America.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're never that far away from the comfort
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  Speaker 2: z of home anyways. So even if you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you're in the middle of nowhere, well, if something did
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  Speaker 2: come up, then it's quite easy to get out of
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  Speaker 2: wherever you are, you know. So I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: think people see, oh, that's so far away, that's so scary,
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  Speaker 2: that's so out there, or whatever it may be. But
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  Speaker 2: you're really not, like it's twenty twenty three. You're never
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  Speaker 2: really that far away from technology or airporter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once you're on the ground, you adapt and
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  Speaker 1: learn and every day you take one at a time.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me about shipping from the UK to South Africa.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, where did you ship into? What was the process? Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any advice? How did it go?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a much easier process than most people think.
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  Speaker 2: We decided to ship to Durban rather than Capetown because
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  Speaker 2: Durban has great storage options. So rather than being on
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  Speaker 2: the ground when the vehicle actually arrives to actually unload
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  Speaker 2: the container, there's an agent there that unloads the vehicles,
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  Speaker 2: brings it to the warehouse, does all of the customs paperwork,
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  Speaker 2: and then you basically fly down whenever you're ready to
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  Speaker 2: fly down, which is.
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  Speaker 5: One thing as well, like say you Durbanova, Cape Town,
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  Speaker 5: it's generally cheaper to keep it in the storage facility
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  Speaker 5: in Durban, and therefore you should always allow yourself a
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  Speaker 5: couple of weeks, like have the vehicle sat there for
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  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. If, like the shipping company say
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  Speaker 5: to you, oh it's going to be here on this day,
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  Speaker 5: at least give yourself a couple of weeks, because it
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  Speaker 5: probably won't be.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't do on this trip, so they told us,
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  Speaker 2: let's just say it was the fifteenth. We said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well we'll book our flights for the thirtieth, and then
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  Speaker 2: we actually ended up having a two week delay in Germany.
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  Speaker 2: That two week window sounded really great when we first
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  Speaker 2: booked our flights, but with that two week delay, we
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  Speaker 2: were going to get there before the vehicle and then
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  Speaker 2: we'd be paying for hotels and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So we ended up I think we just paid the
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  Speaker 2: change fee, which just like two hundred and fifty dollars
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  Speaker 2: or something, and we moved our flights back. But in hindsight,
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  Speaker 2: we should have just there was no rush. We were
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  Speaker 2: putting the timelines on ourselves. We should have just booked
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  Speaker 2: the flight for you know, a month out from when
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: our vehicle was actually supposed to arrive.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: It can be unpredictable, that's the thing about shipping. Or
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: it could show up on time, yeah and be ready
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: in two days, or it could take a couple of weeks.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: Well that's the dew way of using Durban because even
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: if it is sat there for a month, it's not
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: going to cost you a lot. Yeah, and it's safe.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Like we've done this shipping route twice because of COVID,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: so Tango sat in Durban for like just over five
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: months before we had to shipping back to the UK.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: But the main reason so we were actually in Turkey
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: when we decided to come back to Africa for this
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: time around. We were originally going to ship from Turkey
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: to Egypt and then drive down. Other people may find
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: it is different in their case, but for us, it
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: was so difficult to get any quote for that route
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: and everything was more expensive than actually for us to
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: drive back from Turkey all the way to the UK
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and then ship down to South Africa. So we decided,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I've already done that route before, we know the process.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's really simple, let's just do that. So of course
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense for everyone, but for us, it
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: was way easier to just go from the UK to
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Durban than to go from Turkey to Egypt. And we
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: know the process on the actual like South Africa side,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: so we knew that it wasn't gonna be painful where
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: we've heard Egypt can be quite difficult as far as
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: like paperwork, vehicle paperwork, all of that stuff. So we
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: were like, we'll deal with that when we're actually on
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the ground in Egypt rather than having to do that
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: from Afar.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: And we used a company that we already know un trust,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: so we use I think we use those in South
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: America too. We're a company called IVSs. They you saw
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: it all out for you, so it's as easy it
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: can get, really, So how.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Did you decide on who are you going to use?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Like in the in the initial planning stage when you're like, oh,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: we need to get this vehicle ship, what do I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: do next?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: So we I think in our original shipping was we
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: went from Buenos Aires back to Texas. So we had
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: our LR three Discovery see three for the rest of
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the world in Buenos Airea's with us and we needed
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: to ship it back to the US, and we got
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: quotes from all these different companies in IVS. US just
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: seemed really on the ball, really good at communicating, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: we decided to ship with them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: I think we didn't even know what to google at
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: the time, Like you start googling vehicle or shipping or
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: container shipping, and then like all these house movers come open. Yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: We're like, wow, this is difficult. And then we finally
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know how we find IVSs. It must have
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: been on Google. And then we called him and you're
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: just like, yeah, so everything to him. Then you were like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: why would we go anywhere else?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And they just know us there now, So I mean,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: they keep a file of everyone, and it's really easy
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to say, like, hey, I shipped with you guys last year,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: we're looking to ship again, and they're usually pretty good.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You can either even go on their website and put
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: in your destinations and get an instinct quote and then
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: they will give you from there, like a more detail
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: quote once you're further down the line, which is great
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because sometimes like right now, we're debating because the Sudan
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: situation is not looking so great. We're debating what our
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: options are for our turns Africa trip. It's easy to like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: we did it two nights ago, three nights ago. We
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just went onto the website and said, okay, point A
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to point B, what are these three different options and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: what those route prices look like so we can start
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to compare. So to us, that's just been the easiest
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: customer service side of things, website side of things too.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Nice to do. It's awesome too that anybody who's looking
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to ship to Durban probably you know, could reach out
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to you guys, or if you're on Instagram or any
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of the Facebook groups like the Overlanding Facebook groups, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: people are really willing to take the time to respond
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: about what their experience was like shipping, especially if it
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: was recent then you know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Ever changing, like the prices during COVID skyrocketed and then
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: we just hit it at the perfect time to ship
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: back down to Durban. The prices went from sixteen great
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: some of them were crazy during COVID, and then they
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: came back down to around the three grand marks. So
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that's another thing is a lot of people who may
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: have not shipped a vehicle before because that's not like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a common thing, you know, unless you're doing international travel.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think it's way pricier. See,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: oh my god, you're shipping your vehicle around the world.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: That's insane, You guys must be so Well, it's around
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: three thousand dollars, which if you're going to be anywhere
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: for an extended period of time for us for this route,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: for example, if you're going to be anywhere for an
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: extended period of time, that's cheaper than what you could
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: rent a vehicle for in South Africa for a week
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and a half. It just makes sense for this particular
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: style travel for us to ship wherever we can.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if you're going to come down here,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: because a lot of people, if you're going to rent
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: an overland vehicle, South Africa is probably one of the
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: best places in the world because you can get even
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: if you want just something simple like a high looks
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: with a roof, tent up to like a truck bed
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: camper or even I've been seeing unimogs for rent. But
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: if you're planning to do say like a two or
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: a three month trip, you probably want to price that
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: up again shipping your own vehicle from wherever you are,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and you might find that it's actually cheaper to just
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: choose your own vehicle.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: How many days did it take for your vehicle.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: To I want to say the first time we shift
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it was thirty two days, and this time it was
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: close to like forty four days from door to door.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Basically did you shrip out of is it Portsmouth or
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: with Folkstone?
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: So like the south the south of England?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and then went you're on the ground. I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: assuming you've done some research, and let's talk about South
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Africa and logistics and planning and what maybe what were
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the most useful resources for you when you're planning your
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: trip where you're on the road.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: While you're here, I think a lot of people probably
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: plan a lot more than we do, so Andy and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I are kind of like we like to get a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: general plan of you know, point A to point B
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and the musty spots.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I'll normally do the point A to point B. So
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I'll say, right, I think we can get from you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Cape Town to Cairo or whatever, and then I'll look
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: in between that, like, right, which countries do we need
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: to avoid costs? The unstable right now or civil wars
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: or whatever what's going on?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Like a safety point.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: So I'll think of like generally the safety thing, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: then from then on she'll make the nice things.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Happen. We don't overwhelm ourselves with planning an entire trip
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in one sitting, so that is wise. It's a lot,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: so rather than do that, just take it in little
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: bite sized chunks. So we'll plan the general route. Like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Andy said, he'll look at it from a safety political
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: landscape perspective. We'll say, okay, we're going to do this
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to this, and then we look at, okay, where are
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the must see places that we've always dreamed of going,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and we kind of map those out. A lot of
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the time we already have them mapped out because we
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: just kind of are in a constant state of planning.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Is that kind of like from Instagram or blogs or everything,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I think everything.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: We just always had points to our Google maps and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: so it's just like want to go, want to go,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: one to go, one to go.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: If you see something come up, then you go into
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: your map, drop up in a route.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Starts to form of like, oh this is okay. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: can kind of see all the dots starting to connect.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And then from there, once we're actually in the area,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that's when it's like a week to two weeks out
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is when we get down to the more nitty gritty.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: We really start talking to like locals, and.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: People come in the opposite direction. So for instance, like
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: you know, you say, else you drove the Pan American
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: north to south right, But then there's always people come
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: in the opposite way and then they'll say, oh, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: need to see this, this and this, So there's things
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: there's no point planning too much because you'll get a
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: lot of advice, like a couple of weeks out in.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: South Africa or in Southern Africa, we've been using tracks
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: for Africa so much on this trip. That's great for
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: any of like the back road stuff.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We're using their paper map or app or freezing up.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you bought the premium version, which is great because
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: it gives you all these points of interest along.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: The way as well, and you can zoom in close.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Zoom in really close. So we've been using that a lot.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And then you know, trust ci over Lander for just
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: is just a good resource for anybody that's on the road.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So that like our two primary things that we've been
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: using here. But we always try and leave flexibility in
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the route no matter how dial in we think our
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: plan is for any mishabs, mechanical breakdowns, or simply just
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: someone saying I really think you should head here because
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you may have the perfect plane in your mind, but
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: someone who actually lives there probably knows a little bit
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: more on the best places to see or the spots
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that are has just discussed as much. So we will
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: usually try and pull everyone where we can to say like, Okay,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: if you were on this trip, what would you do,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and then kind of tailor the route to that as well.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: What have been some big highlights for you too on
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this part of the trip in South Africa.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: For me, we came from Durban and then we're headed
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: north and there's a little country within South Africa called Lesuto,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: and I think it's the highest country in Africa pound
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: for pound however you want to ward it. But that
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: was such a cool like welcome to Africa feeling, you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: like how you imagine Africa after watching it on the TV.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: It's like rich red dirt roads and like green, lush
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: moundscapes everywhere, and just like all the villages that you
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: go through and stuff. It was just such a cool
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: alm ends.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Up aching because you're waving at them.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, everyone's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: just so friendly.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: The kids are chasing you down the street. They love
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: your vehicle and they think it's cool and everyone's nice
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: to you. So that were a really big highlight from them.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: And then the other thing is in northern Namibia seeing
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the Himba tribe there and trying to communicate even though
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: we can't speak each of us language, and like sharing
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: things like we give a gift and then they give
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: us a gift, and then we show them inside our
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: house and they showed us inside their house and yeah, yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: that was cool.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's those moments of like almost humanity
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: where you're like, this is so may Like we couldn't
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: speak their language at all and they couldn't speak English,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: maybe like a yes or no or something like that,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: breaking down all the barriers and feeling like this is
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: why you're here, you know, to have those moments of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: interaction and human connection and.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Getting that real for the expedience of like you can
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: see on TV and it's nice. Don't get me wrong,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: I love watching David Adartenborough or whatever, but like when
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: you get there for yourself and you can actually like
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: smell the place, and feel the place, and that's that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: why you do it, and.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: They're genuinely interest in you. And we visited the Hymna
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: tribe in northern Namibia as well, and it was such
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: an incredible experience. But I was also kind of like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't want to find Yeah, yeah, that's.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Quite a difficult thing anywhere you go because I read it. Yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you're reading the room. And also we like to document
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of our stuff, and so you never want
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you want to always be respectful anywhere you're going that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you are admiring and appreciating a place and it's not
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: coming off as like someone's just coming in and being
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a tourist and snapping a photo and then walking away. Yeah,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: so we are very mindful of that everywhere that we go,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and sometimes we won't pull the camera out at all,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: only if it really feels like we're on a friendly
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: enough level that they'd be comfortable with that. And yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it's always trying to find that balance. For me, Africa
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: as a whole, before you even came, was all about the wildlife.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I was just so excited to experience that side of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the world because you can go so many places in
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the world, but you can't be at the wildlife in Africa.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And my granddad used to go. He's been on three
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: or four trips and so even I think I was
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like ten years old the first time he came home.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And he makes photo books from all of his trips.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So he came to we were living in Texas at
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the time, and showed us his photo book from Africa,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I must go, you know, like
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: ever since then. So this is going on fifteen years
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: or longer. How old am I now? Twenty years of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: me daydreaming about this and to finally be here, like
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: my first experience, it was so simple. It was zebra
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that we saw, and I like broke down in tears
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: because I was like, oh my gosh, I'm photographic a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: zebra in Africa.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That's more than just a zebra.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I told the farmer plus his heart. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: told the farmer, oh my gosh, you just saw a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: deebra and he's like, zebra's are so common here. He
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, look at the ostriches.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: You know, like yeah strech an pigeon or.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Like a sheeper whatever, you know in England, where was
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the zebra?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: The zebra was in we had.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Just coming out of Luzu too. We crossed the border
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: back into South Africa and we went to this little
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: farm we found on iovera lander in a fantastic place.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: There was no one and so casual. We pull in
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and he said, oh, if you guys want to go
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: for a drive, you're welcome to go for a drive
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: on the property. We sortn't fully realize that this is
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: like a proper game reserve and or like a private
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: game reserve.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Private game is a basically it's a game drive, a
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: self game drive, but we didn't know. I thought we
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: would just camp sighted and they're like, oh, just drive
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: up the hill there and go and have a look.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: And then we came over the hill and all of
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: a sudden they were wield obese and zebras and.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, this is that for me?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Throughout the trip has been such a neat thing. Plus,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I think some of the landscape that you get here,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like Sandwich Harbor, where else in the world do the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: dunes and ocean meat or that's on.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: The coast of Namibia.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we almost lost our vehicle there, so tell us
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a bit of that classic We thought, oh yeah, we
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: basically yes. We quickly got humbled by Namibia. We thought, oh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: we don't need a guide. Plenty of people who have
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: done this.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Because a lot of it's hard to like find out
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: what is just a tourist trap and what isn't that
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: people are always knowing when you go abroad. They're like, oh, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: you have to have a guide, you have to have
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: the most of the time you do it. After that, we're.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: God, it's not such a bad idea for this route. Basically,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the tide there's a very short window that you can drive.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's a very simple route. It's one way in, one
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: way out. But the tide is what you really are
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: playing with there. So there's maybe an hour window that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: you have to go in and out, depending on the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: time of year and the tides that day and all
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of that moon cycle.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like we're not even surfers and stuff, so we
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: don't really know much about time.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I just looked at the tide chart and I just
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: talked to a couple of locals, and I talked to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: a couple of tour guide companies just on like a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: personal level, to say, Hey, do you think we can
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: do this? And they're like, yeah, the tide looks great
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: for that day. We went exactly at the right time.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: We went in, we turned around exactly at low tide,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and we start coming out and we get stuck.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: And the funny thing is going down there although you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: you got your heart racing and what have you.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're so top heavy that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're a top heavy vehicle. It got your heart
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: going and we're like, oh wow, we've made it. And
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: it didn't feel like such a big deal because when
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: everything goes right, everything's going right.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: And then so as option at that point is to
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: go back over the big dunes and work your way
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: back out or just turn around.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And you don't really know what the dunes are like
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in there, do you.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: That was part of the problem is we are such
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a top heavy vehicle. We had just come down this
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: route and we are bouncing back and forth, and there's
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a few times okay, we are going into the ocean.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So we get down to this point and the options
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: are going up this incredibly steep sand dune that we
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: don't know and then okay, say you get up there
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and you can't make it out of that situation, Well,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: now you're stuck for full twenty four or twelve hours
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: until the tides come back down for us to make
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: our way out. So we decided, okay, let's just turn
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: around and go back out. It was fine coming in,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: we can make it out. We're exactly at low tide, like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: we've got probably thirty to forty five minutes before the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: tide's going to come back into where the tracks are
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: going to be covered. But unfortunately we turned around in
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: maybe five minutes down the sand, we ended up getting stuck.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: We had a video of this and we I happen
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: to have the drone up in the air.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Unluckily we with our friends and Chloe as well.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they jumped out of the car. They're running
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: down with Max tracks. We get the Max tracks off
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the top, I throw the drone into the car, like
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the controller please be there when I come back, little drone,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, we ended up getting unstuck, thankfully. A
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: tour guide actually ran out and was like, hey, you
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: need to reverse back down to the water, which is
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: kind of intuitive when you're in that situation you're trying
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: to get away from the water, and he was like, no,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you've just got to go back down and get close
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to the water. So you can get on the harder
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: stuff to get out. And we got out it was
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: maybe five to ten minutes max, but even five minutes,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: but like you know, every minute and yeah, and then
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: we race the tide basically to get back out.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like literally the tide will come in and
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: you'll stop, let you go out, and then keep going,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: you know, because it's on that time of the year
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: as well. There's a lot of free q wives, which
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: we found out only a week. A week after we
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: did it, I think it would have High Looks got
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: a wave hit it, it went up into the air box,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: sookd it into the engine, installed the engine, couldn't get
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: it going again. Then the wave came in, turned the
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: high locks onto its roof from the dost everything.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's one thing is like with that route,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of people said, oh, you guys were silly
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for even trying it without a tour guide. But the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: irony is that the following week that vehicle that Andy's
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: talking about was a tour guide. So he drives that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: route every single days. Of times he went out, there
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: was a freak wave that came and it's just a
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: very gnarly route that's all there is to it. So
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we did it and checked it off the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: old look at list, but I don't think I would
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: do it again in my own vehicle. I think I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: would just happily go sit in a tour guide's vehicle
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and go on a very way. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Any other experiences in either South Africa and Namibia that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: really resonated or you recommend to other people.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I think a poop of falls, which is where we
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: met the people, that was incredible, and especially after the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Orange River in South Africa which is right on the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: border into Namibia.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Orange that Orange River as well, that Adrian, so the
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: yesters to.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Us, Oh, the Norma Clap four by four trail.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: That what are really really cool?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So we did the Nama Club four by four trail,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: which is fantastic. I think you guys did it as well.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: We did so cool.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And then we crossed into Namibia from the Orange River
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: which is the Nama Club four by four trail. All
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the way to the top of Namibia, you don't see
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: another ounce of water, or at least we did it
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: during that time of year. And so when we finally
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: met up with made it to a Poopa follows. We
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: were like, oh my gosh, there's no oasis. You know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it's just so lush and green and different than everywhere
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: else in Namibia.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So it's a really great campground in that area.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Fantastic.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Just a simple thing for me, like coming from England,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: everything's tarmac, you know, and it's a small country. So
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: just being on gravel roads, like I think we entered
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Namibia wherever we entered on the south, we didn't see
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: another gravel road, another tarmac road for until we got
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: to wind Tuck and We've done hundreds of miles by
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: that point. So just to be on actually using your
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: vehicle for what it's made for, Like basically that that
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: defender we've got his overkill for the UK, you'd probably
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: better off having a camp of van, but out here
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: actually using that vehicle what it was built for and
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: putting it through its paces. And yeah, and looking back
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: and the African sunset like how you've seen it on
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: TV and there's dust coming off and like it's getting
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: glown up and all the dust going orange. And I
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: look back in the mirror probably every day and I'm like.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, look at the indust rail, Like look at that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Dust feel like I'm in a fighter jet, you know
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Yeah, Wow, this is this is cool,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: So a cool moment of his life that we're in
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I do feel like Africa, for the overlanding side of things,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: is like a completely different beast than anywhere else that
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: we've been, Like, it's really tough on your vehicle. That's
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: something that I would if anyone's considering doing a trip
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: out here, like, really do all the maintenance, do all
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the things that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I'd actually also consider. Obviously I'm a landrove guy. We're
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: driving a Defender. Think about rather than if you're not
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: a mechanic yourself and you're going to pay for a
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: mechanic in the UK to do your main and pre
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: maintenance before you do this trip, I'd actually think about
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: shipping it to here, getting one of the local mechanics here,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Like there's a good company in a Cape Town area
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: called Gateway four by four or that guy that we
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: use near Lasutu because they see things that are mechanics
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: in the UK. We'll see because you're going to be
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: driving on hundreds and hundreds of miles of corrugated roads.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Our mechanics in the UK will take something apart and
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: be like, oh, that wiring loan don't need to go
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: back there, or that ball don't need to go back in.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Every single ball needs to be perfect, and your wiring
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: loom needs to be pushed back, or do extra things
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: like things that we'd never think of. So for instance,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: this engine and we've got it's the Ford Ranger or
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: the Ford Transit engine in the Devender, and it's just
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: got an engine cover where that engine cover sits on
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: top of the plastic rocket cover and that moves, so
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: if you let it, it'll just wear a hole in
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: the tip of your engine. Basically, Yeah, you know other
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: things like I just noticed yesterday, just because I always
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: just do main and it's all the time. Just keep
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: an eye on things you have to. I didn't, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: didn't put a tie wrap back on. And I've just
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: noticed the rattling the cable that goes to my massive
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: flow center. I can see the copper on it, so
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: it's just about to wear through. And that's just because
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: the vibrations out here on these corrugated roads. If there's
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: anything wrong with your vehicle or partly wrong or about
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: to be wrong, these African roads will find them.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeaht it to the test. Everything is just rattle. Somebody
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: referenced the the collor and as a local was talking
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: about the African massage, it's like, how do you feel?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all, but there's been a few times that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: will be driving in the car and just both like
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: we're looking at each other like is this real life
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: right now? Because it's just like I said, it's just
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a completely different beast than anywhere else.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I say.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And your accessories, all your aftermarket accessories, you kind of
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: have to start worrying about those because yeah, things will
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: start unscrewing themselves. So every single extra thing you put on, Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to be watching all.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: The time on your pre inspection and all that. One
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: thing that I would suggest doing is going around every
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: ball with like a yellow pen marker and then mark
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: everything and then you'll see straight away. Like just do
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: a visual inspection every morning before you set off, you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: like end of the day, like you're driving your home. It's
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: all right for weekend warriors or whatever to go smash
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: a bit of rock clalling or whatever they want to do,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: but that ain't gonna get you from Cape Town back
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: to England. If you drive like that. Yeah, you'll have
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: fun in that short time.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What has camping been like here? There's such a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: camp culture that I haven't experienced before, So I'm not
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: answering the question, but it's just a different I've never
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: experienced camping like this before.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: The culture here is like you think, you know, we think, oh,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: overlanding in the US, and everyone meets up at a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: show and it's like people are just now getting into
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the industry or whatever. Overlanding is becoming a thing here.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It is like a cultural phenomenon. It has been going
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: for ages and people are just raised on it, so
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: they don't go on family vacations overseas. They go camping.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: And they're generalizing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well but you know what I mean, like like.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Not your average family is your holiday is We're gonna
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: and they are not scared as well they might they
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: might live in Cape Town. They're like, right, we're going
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: to be in the top of the Mibia by tomorrow.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, we can up at three AARs.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: So they will smash out a thousand miles in a
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: day and then get to where they want to go
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: and they will go past you on those gravel roads
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: like ninety miles an hour with a trailer on. Yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: that's a big part of their culture is spending time
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: camping as a family.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So neat to see there's so many families out there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: There's so many older people out there as well. Like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: in the US or the UK, you generally get the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: younger populations, say like up to forty forty five or whatever.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Here it's like it's very common to be the youngest
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: person on a trail or the youngest person at a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: camp site. And that's just because people are so ingray
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: that's but it's also great because it means for international
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: overlanders you get to come here and there's fantastic facilities.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: So there's great camp sites everywhere you want to go.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Donkey boilers for your yeah, boilers and shower.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so good. So there's and briest every
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: single camp site.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I was just about to say that, like Bryanto the
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: South African to us, cooking on wood is something you'll
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: only do when you camp in. When you We've been
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: invited to quite a few locals homes and they've got
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: basically a campfire inside the house and they'll make food
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: and doors like that.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's a religion. Yes, bries. Also for anybody who's listening
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and doesn't know what a donkey boiler is, we got
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: really excited about.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: A donkey boiler, but or a bride for instance.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: To find So, a donkey boiler is basically like a
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: usually like a metal tin that you put a fire
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: in and then the water is pulled around. Correct.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Basically you heat you know, like a metal tank
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: with firewood, and then that will be how your showers.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the water is getting pumped through, but it's
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the water is heating up as it passes over the fire,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and then it's going to the shower. So you're getting
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a hot shower, which in the middle of nowhere where
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: otherwise this rugged, rustic campsite wouldn't have you can still
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: have a hot yeah, and then a brie. A bride
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: is basically like a barbecue or using you're using firewood,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: so so.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: You'll make your own call so it takes longer.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Salt part of it, yeah, which is a huge thing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Everyone gets to their campsite, they put the fire on,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: they have a crack, a couple of beers, and then
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: they like over a two to three hour period will
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: brye their food and enjoy it and stuff as a group.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I thought I thought the English could drink until became
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: South Africa running coke.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And a lot of meat, brandy.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of meat.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: We went to a few brides and you know, what
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: do you bring to a brie? They have so much
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: stuff already, so I'd always bring like a salad or something,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and they're like, we don't eat salad here. That's not
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: that's not a thing chicken is. It's been fun to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: see the cultural differences.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Funny, like traveling as a couple, I wouldn't spend the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: time to make a fire just for the two of
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: us very often, but here it's really yeah, I love it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And doing it almost every single night. I think they
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: we've just fully embraced the South African ways and we've
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just been brying as often as we can because it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: also nice to you know, we have induction or we
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: have the option to bry basically, and so it's been
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: nice to just get out and enjoy and really soak
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: up whatever camp site or camp spot that we're at here.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: It does seem to be an easy thing to do
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that's really lovely here. Yeah, like I would definitely just
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: keep doing it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doing it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: It's one of those things like whatever you go in
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: the world, you'll take something back home with you, like bride.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Andy and I are like, Okay, when we have
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: our house in the US or wherever we end up,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: we will have a bride inside of our house, like
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: we are taking that little piece of South Africa. We're
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: going to bring it back then.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: The communal like hang out any favorite meat cuts, I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: feel like.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: They're really We've been eating a lot of lamb here,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: which I don't usually eat much lamb at home. But
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just a bit of everything.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: If somebody was interested in coming to let's say South
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Africa and maybe yeah, because you guys have spent most
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of your time in those two countries, what advice or
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: practical tips would you give them.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: I'd say the first thing is, don't listen to all
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: the feamongering about so in Africa, because that alone could
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: probably put you off. This is one of the safest
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: places I've felt it just I feels just as safe
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: here as I do in England.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Well, there is even some places in Europe that I
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: felt less. Yeah here, but before we came, we were told,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: even from a lot of South Africans and obviously living
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: here maybe a different experience. And I'm not discrediting anything
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that's happened to anyone, but there was a lot of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: fear put into us of like you do not stop
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: at the stop, like, you do not do this, you
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: do not you are going to get robbed, just get
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: ready for the gunpoint like all this, especially in Johannesburg. Yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and so we came down mentally prepared for that and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: we're almost like, oh my gosh, any second, anything could happen,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and it has been the exact opposite, and everyone's been
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: so welcoming and we've had a fantastic experience. So I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: would definitely recommend anyone that's coming down here, like, yes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: talk to locals. Always great to talk to locals, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: here we're not to go and what not to do.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: But I would definitely recommend speaking to people that have
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: traveled it recently and make sure that what's the actual
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: boots on the ground story, And that could be true
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: for anywhere that you travel. If you look at the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: media side of things, you're going to get a completely
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: different story than what you're going to get actually there
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: so I.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Think if you just do the basics, like don't drive
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: at night, stick to the speed limits. Yeah, yeah, you'll
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: be fine. Yeah, I would say, like a recommendation for
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: a show. This is what we've just done, Like Mary
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Hannah just brought on mom out and we've so we've
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: flown into Johannesburg. Then we've drove from Johannesburg south to
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: the bottom of Kruger and then worked his way up
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: through Kruger and then come is it the pana.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The panorama route is coming back down. So we basically
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: went like southern Kruger all the way up to I
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: think it's tensday Rustic Camp Mopawnee area, and then we
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: came out of the park and took the panorama route
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: back down and then came back over and it was
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I think ten or eleven days in total, and it
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: was just a fantastic yeah trip and the best wildlife
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: we've seen anywhere.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: And I know, like a lot of people as well
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: will say like, oh, Kruger is a bit touristic and
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: all this, but we went when Kruger was fully booked up.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Kruger's that big that there's there's plenty to see still
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: and not going to be like overwhelmed by. But we
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: saw within the first thirty minutes of being in Kruger,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: we saw more animals there than we've seen in the
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: last four and a half months in the rest of
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Southern Halfa.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing that was compared Prale was
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: like the private game reserve we went to. There was
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: one just outside of Port Elizabeth that we went to,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but it's Scotia, But it's such a small reserve that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it's it's completely different experience than seeing animals that are
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: free to roam in this massive space. So I think
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: going into it, we had heard from a lot of
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: locals and a lot of people had been there like, oh,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I don't really know if you're gonna like it, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: we absolutely loved it. So I think if anyone wanted
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to do like a short trip two week trip in
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and out of Johannesburg, if you're from the US at
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Lanta to Johannesburg direct flight and do that route, it's phenomenal.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And once you get on the ground, like the initial
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: cost of the flights can be expensive, but I think
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty good place for the budget minded traveler.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we just paid eight hundred dollars direct flight toil
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: on that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was eight hundred dollars for the direct flight
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: per person. And then my mom came out for two weeks.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I was telling you earlier, and I tallied up everything
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: because I just put it all on my card and
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: then we've just you know, it worked it out later
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and I think she paid six hundred and fifty dollars
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in total for the entire twelve days that she was here,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: which is phenomenal for everything that we got to see
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: in that period of time. So yeah, I would definitely
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: recommend looking into that if anyone's wanting to come in
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: for a short little jount.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's amazing. So it is getting dark. We
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: need to go do our bride and.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Africa is colder than you think. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Two months ago here cold. Yeah, thank you guys so
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: much for taking the time. And where can we find
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you on the internet.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: We are handle is Expedition Rode for our website or whatever,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, website, Instagram, Instagram, YouTube kind of sometimes not
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: really if you.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Were interested in that build. We do have one good
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: video for YouTube, which is our build walk around for
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: all guys who are really stiff. That's a detailed overview.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: But if you've not seen as before and you flick
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: you through Instagram expedition room, it's a bright orange defender.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I can't miss it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Thank you again so much for taking the time
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to sit down with me, share your stories and your
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: experience and tips with the Overland Journal podcast listeners. Yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: thank you again. And let's go hit some bride. That's bride.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay,