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Jury convicts 'America's Dad' Bill Cosby on sex attack: WHY ISN'T HE IN JAIL? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Serious Exim Triumph Channel one thirty two. Guilty. That
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Speaker 1: is what a jury says about quote America's funny man,
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Speaker 1: not so funny anymore, Old Cosby. But the outrage right
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Speaker 1: now is not only is this guy convicted essentially of rape,
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Speaker 1: he's still walking free. Hello. I have tried I don't
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Speaker 1: even know how many cases. I've tried over a hundred
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Speaker 1: and investigated and prosecuted literally close to ten thousand cases.
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Speaker 1: I have never once ever seen a defendant convicted of
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Speaker 1: a rape or aggravated sexual assault or battery. And when
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Speaker 1: it's not done, they don't get fingerprint, handcuffed and let
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Speaker 1: out in the back door to j A, I L jail.
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Speaker 1: Why is he at home on his comfy sofa with
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Speaker 1: his wife having a personal schief make him up a
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Speaker 1: low fat omelet this morning? What's happening? I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: and I want justice. I don't want to rebber stamp
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Speaker 1: on the jury verdict. I want this guy in jail
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Speaker 1: like every other rapist is straight out to Alexis res Chuck,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Radar Online dot Com. First of all,
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Speaker 1: let's start at the very beginning. Let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend and colleague. You know what, she's an
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Speaker 1: acquired taste. I'll give you that much, Gloria already. First
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Speaker 1: of all, I want to thank the jury. Justice has
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Speaker 1: been done and we're very, very happy and proud of
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Speaker 1: this result. Beginning in late two thousand and fourteen, we
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Speaker 1: beg the accusers of Mr Cosby, whom I represented, began
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Speaker 1: to speak out. It took a great deal of courage.
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Speaker 1: In the beginning, many were not believed we are so
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Speaker 1: happy that finally we can say women are believed, and
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Speaker 1: not only on hashtag me too, but in a court
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Speaker 1: of law where they were under oath, where they testify truthfully,
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Speaker 1: where they were attacked, where they were smeared, where they
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Speaker 1: were denigraded, where they there were attempts to discredit them.
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Speaker 1: And after all is said and done, women were finally believed.
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Speaker 1: And we thanked the jury so much for that. And
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Speaker 1: they were believed after the prosecution met their high standard
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Speaker 1: of having to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and
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Speaker 1: the jury in this second criminal trial found that they
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Speaker 1: believed women. And I'm the happiest I have been about
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Speaker 1: any court decision in forty two years. Guys. That, guys,
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Speaker 1: that's saying a lot for Gloria already to actually say
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Speaker 1: she's happy, because you know, I know Gloria. I love Gloria,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see her happy that much. She's always
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Speaker 1: on a mission. And to hear her say I'm happy,
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Speaker 1: that takes a lot. What I still don't get is
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Speaker 1: why this guy, Bill Cosby, multi multi millionaire, is at
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Speaker 1: his luxury town home right now, kicked back instead of
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Speaker 1: in jail. Let's start at the beginning Alexis to rest Chuck,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Radar online dot com. What's happening Alexis so
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby was found guilty by a jury, guilty on
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Speaker 1: three ounts of sexual assault, assaulting Andrea Conston with intent
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Speaker 1: to harm by drugging her. This was not something that
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Speaker 1: was a spur of the moment violent attack. This is
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Speaker 1: something that he had plotted and planned. He had to
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Speaker 1: get the drugs and slip them to her and attack her.
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Speaker 1: So this jury, second jury, first one was a mistrial
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Speaker 1: because they could not agree on it was a injury.
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Speaker 1: This jury came back with a guilty verdict in one day.
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Speaker 1: They deliberated for one day. They told the judge this
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Speaker 1: guy is guilty. There was no hemming and hawing. We
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Speaker 1: wasn't fifteen days back and forth. And they had one
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Speaker 1: question for the judge. They wanted to know the definition
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Speaker 1: of consent and that is what they found him guilty of,
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Speaker 1: that she could not consent to the assault. Joining me
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Speaker 1: also with Alexis tos Chuck with Writer online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, Atlanta juvenal judge, lawyer, advocate and founder of
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Speaker 1: child Crime Watch dot com. Renowned psychoanalysts out of l A. Dr.
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall and high profile lawyer out of Seattle and Bremner.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, the defense is still on the attack,
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Speaker 1: and I get what they're doing. They're still attacking these women.
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Speaker 1: They're going on all sorts of talk shows and media
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Speaker 1: outlets that can't dad to Cosby, So the next best
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Speaker 1: thing are as lawyers, and they're still attacking the victims. Now,
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Speaker 1: his conviction on aggravated indecent assault is after a very
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Speaker 1: unique set of facts, Okay, a sealed civil deposition that
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Speaker 1: came open. In that deposition, he admits to using kludes.
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Speaker 1: As I understand it, he had a mistrial to his
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Speaker 1: benefit in the first case. Now let me understand at
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Speaker 1: this juncture, actually, why is he still his lawyers going
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Speaker 1: on TV and trashing the victims. I think there are
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Speaker 1: two reasons. I think number one, Nancy, is because they're
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Speaker 1: going to set this up for an appeal, and of
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Speaker 1: course trashing the victims doesn't do anything for appeal. Appeal
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Speaker 1: is about what happened at court. But I think they're
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Speaker 1: absolutely going to appeal these verdicts. The second thing is,
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Speaker 1: this is a man whose reputation is the most important
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Speaker 1: thing to him. I think he would lie, cheat and
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Speaker 1: steal to protect his reputation. And so he's six his
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Speaker 1: lawyers on continue to go after the victims because they're wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'm right, because it's his reputation. We'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: they're gonna go for, and Bremner, along with Ashley, will
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Speaker 1: cut both lawyers and where they're going to go after
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Speaker 1: is the fact that similar transactions, as we call them
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Speaker 1: in the law were brought in. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: That means that, while Cosby was not being tried, was
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Speaker 1: not on trial for other alleged rapes, some of those
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Speaker 1: cases came in at this trial where Andrew Constant was
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Speaker 1: the victim. Why because their fingerprint crimes. He says, I
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Speaker 1: want to help you on your career. Come out to
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Speaker 1: my hotel room. We'll be fine. Let me call my wife. Here,
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Speaker 1: have this pill, will relax you. You You feel bad, you
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Speaker 1: feel anxious, you got a minstrel cramp. Here, have this. Bam.
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Speaker 1: They're out because it was um like a roofie. The
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Speaker 1: next thing you know, they wake up. They have been molested.
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Speaker 1: Same m O over and over, right down to the housecoat,
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Speaker 1: the robe, the plush robe. He wear with a hat
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Speaker 1: every time. It's gross. So the point is and that
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Speaker 1: those cases similar tend to prove the case in chief.
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Speaker 1: That's the only way that kind of evidence can come
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Speaker 1: in and and that's what the defense is going to
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Speaker 1: attack exactly, Nancy. And it's it's called same tan, similar
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Speaker 1: transaction or common schemer plan. Sometimes with respect to identity,
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Speaker 1: they call it like the mark of Zoro, but you
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Speaker 1: almost have here is so similar identical in terms of
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Speaker 1: the way he acted in every one of these cases.
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Speaker 1: And it also goes to lack of ur intentant, lack
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Speaker 1: of mistake, motive, etcetera. That's exactly what they're gonna go after.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna say, you know, he was basically tried in
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Speaker 1: other cases that weren't proved beyond a reasonable doubt, and
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Speaker 1: that was unfair in this instance because it should have
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Speaker 1: been a trial only relating to this victim. But I
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Speaker 1: don't know how far they'll get with that, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: just think that you know, this has been litigated at
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Speaker 1: length in the first trial, and also here he has
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Speaker 1: one of the best lawyers out there, Tom Mazzarro, and
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Speaker 1: I think you and i've both seen him in court
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Speaker 1: and Michael Jacksons, and also in the Blake case, and
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Speaker 1: and he's very able. So but the other interesting thing
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Speaker 1: is with the judge let him out on bail. You
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Speaker 1: have to wonder does the judge think he has a
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Speaker 1: good appeal. I don't know. Well, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to Tom Meserro, defense attorney for
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, who showed up in court in his pajamas.
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Speaker 1: Meserro still wanted the case. Uh represented Robert Blake who
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Speaker 1: totally murdered his wife. Got it not guilty on him too.
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Speaker 1: Didn't work with Cosby. Listened to Mesero. We are we
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Speaker 1: are very disappointed by the verdict. We don't think Mr
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Speaker 1: Cosby is guilty of anything. And the fight is not over.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, yes, yes, very strongly. Be prepared to
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Speaker 1: go to prison, wor prepared to prison. That was tom
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Speaker 1: Meserro thinking he could work his usual charm and magic
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Speaker 1: on this Jory. Well, it didn't work. To Dr Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of l A. Dr Bethany Now the
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Speaker 1: morning after in the sour grapes the defense are chewing
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Speaker 1: on right now, they're whining that it was an unfair trial.
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Speaker 1: And then it's because of the Me Too movement all
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Speaker 1: the women coming forward right now claiming that they have
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Speaker 1: been assaulted or rape. Frankly, I'm pretty sure most of
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Speaker 1: them had, Okay, because the reality is that about one
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Speaker 1: in four women around you have been assaulted. They may
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Speaker 1: not talk about it, they may not mention it, but
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Speaker 1: trust me, it's happened. Okay. I hope that doesn't happen
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Speaker 1: with my daughter Lucy. But long story short, I mean
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Speaker 1: they're pointing the finger everywhere except too at the person
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Speaker 1: that deserves to have the finger pointed, and that's Cosby,
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Speaker 1: that piece of craft, exactly, except towards Bill Cosby with
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Speaker 1: his plush robe. And as hat you know, I was
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Speaker 1: reading research last night and I thought this is interesting.
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Speaker 1: All when you take all rape victims who come forward,
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Speaker 1: only two to four percent are more lingering or making
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Speaker 1: up the story. So the vast majority of women who
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Speaker 1: are brave enough to come forward are not making up
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Speaker 1: the details of their assault. They are telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: And it's true. Me Too may have a bit of
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Speaker 1: an overcorrective measure on society, but we need an overcorrection.
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Speaker 1: The jury is voting the conscience of how we feel
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Speaker 1: in the United States. Now the jury feels how we feel.
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Speaker 1: These women were not only victimized by Cosby when he
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Speaker 1: uh when he gave them medication, gave them clay ludes, roofies,
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Speaker 1: and then rape them. They are continuing to be violated
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Speaker 1: by him, through his attorney, through his publicists. It's like
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Speaker 1: the abuse never stops something that has just happened. Gloria
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Speaker 1: Alread was at an event. Alread, who has represented a
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Speaker 1: lot of these women civilly against Cosby. She was at
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Speaker 1: the Daytime Emmy Awards and she called out Bill Cosby. Guilty, guilty, guilty,
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Speaker 1: and everybody started booing her. Why are they booing her?
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Speaker 1: This guy is rapist. You know what. Let it happen
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Speaker 1: to your daughter, then fix yourself to get up there
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Speaker 1: and start booing her. I don't get it now this
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Speaker 1: as we are getting reports that Cosby is quote mentally
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Speaker 1: preparing himself for jail. What he should have been preparing
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Speaker 1: himself for jail the first time he raped somebody. Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, what about that? It speaks to the fact
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Speaker 1: that he does not think he did anything wrong. He's
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Speaker 1: never mentally prepared himself for jail. Those are just words
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Speaker 1: from his handlers. You know, he actually snickered in court.
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Speaker 1: That's what I find so surprising. He laughed as if
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Speaker 1: he thought the proceedings were funny. He's never really been
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Speaker 1: called to task for any of his bad acts. I
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Speaker 1: even think going through the first um trial for him
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Speaker 1: felt like he was on stage getting the attention again.
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Speaker 1: And that's so typical of people who have a criminal
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Speaker 1: mindset that they confuse the court proceedings with being back
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Speaker 1: in the center of attention again. So I think for
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Speaker 1: someone like this, there's no way to prepare for jail.
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Speaker 1: He's not going to realize he's going to jail until
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Speaker 1: he's actually behind bars. That's when it's going to hit him.
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Speaker 1: You know what, for those of you that don't believe
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Speaker 1: this guy is guilty, I can't even imagine who that is.
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Speaker 1: You must have been living under a rock ran a cave.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to supermodel Janice Dickinson describe what happened
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Speaker 1: to her. This is her talking with me only I
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Speaker 1: can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, you know, with everything
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Speaker 1: that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe. Like
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Speaker 1: the whole nation is doing right now protesting. I am
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Speaker 1: protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape from
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale and and i
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Speaker 1: will say this, you know, I I sabbed all weekend,
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Speaker 1: not just for me, for what's going on with these
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Speaker 1: other women. I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: woman out there to please hear my words. We've got
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Speaker 1: to stop this man. People can't doing it. Bill Cosby
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Speaker 1: quote America's dad, It's not my daddy. Mm hmmm. I
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Speaker 1: don't even like him putting in that phrase. Convicted on
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Speaker 1: three accounts of agassault, and what I want to know
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Speaker 1: this morning is why the defense is still on a
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Speaker 1: vendetta against the victims, trashing them on every news media
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Speaker 1: outlet possible. And he is sitting at home on a
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Speaker 1: pillow right now, wearing his beloved Vlure House Road, probably
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Speaker 1: having a cigarette with his personal chef, making him an omelet.
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Speaker 1: Why is that happening? And now to Am Brymner, high
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Speaker 1: profile Seattle lawyer, why am I hearing that he will
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Speaker 1: likely stay under house arrest while his case goes up
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Speaker 1: on appeal. That's called an appeal bond. Why isn't he
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Speaker 1: going to jail? Well, he should be treated like everybody else,
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Speaker 1: I mean the criminal justice system. We're all supposedly created equal,
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Speaker 1: especially in court, like we learned and to Kill a
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Speaker 1: Mockingbird in the Final Arguments and that excellent book. But
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Speaker 1: the fact is, remember what the judge said, Nancy, when
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor said, I want to have the bill revoked,
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Speaker 1: right when the convictions came in, and then judge said,
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Speaker 1: you knew were asked for this before Cosby shown up
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Speaker 1: for every single hearing, and the judge basically said, look
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Speaker 1: at his age and look at his health. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to continue him on the existing bond. And that tells
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Speaker 1: you everything on an appeal, it's going to be the same.
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Speaker 1: Should he be in jail yes, Should he have walked
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Speaker 1: out the back door in handcuffs, yes, that would have
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Speaker 1: happened in my jurisdiction, almost every jurisdiction. And I think,
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Speaker 1: is he different because of his celebrity, his celebrity justice
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Speaker 1: and oxy moron. I mean, it's very upsetting to watch this.
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Speaker 1: I'm really upset. And I have represented so many rape
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Speaker 1: and molestation victims. It's been long, long overdue, and this
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Speaker 1: catch this to Dr Bethany, Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, when he was being interviewed, he actually says,
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Speaker 1: I think back to the time when Camille and I
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Speaker 1: went to visit Nelson Mandela. He was a free man.
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Speaker 1: But when we met him at Rhode Island, where he
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Speaker 1: had been in prison for all those years, I sat
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Speaker 1: in that cell where he lived, I saw he's comparing
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Speaker 1: himself to Nelson Mandela. He was a freedom fighter. What
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Speaker 1: as he lost his mind? That's what we call grandiosity, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you know what that phrase does for me.
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Speaker 1: It just underscores Bill Cosby. Cosby's criminal mindset, because that
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Speaker 1: is such a core piece of criminality. They all think
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Speaker 1: they're God, they all think that they're martyrs in prison,
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Speaker 1: and that they have been misunderstood. And just as he
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Speaker 1: tried to seduce his victims, he's trying to seduce the
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Speaker 1: public into believing things about him. This is how vast
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Speaker 1: his his offending pattern is. And I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to his team, who's trash talking the victims in
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Speaker 1: ways he's turned them into perpetrators too. He's a perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: The people on his team are now perpetrators, continuing to
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Speaker 1: put down women who have been vindicated. No, this is
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Speaker 1: absolutely no Nelson Mandela, I'm just sick about it. Alexis
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Speaker 1: Terrez Chuck, Now, I'm furious with the judge, as Montgomery
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Speaker 1: County Judge Stephen T. One Hill, who did not remand
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Speaker 1: Cosby to jail and refuse to revoke his million dollar
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Speaker 1: bail despite the prosecution begging for that revocation. Quote, I'm
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Speaker 1: not simply going to lock him up right now, O'Neill says,
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Speaker 1: why why not? He's been convicted, and not only was
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Speaker 1: he convicted, the prosecution asked when they were saying to
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Speaker 1: the judge, he has a flight risk. This man has
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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars, he has access to a
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Speaker 1: private They said he has a private plane. Cosby yells
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Speaker 1: out in the courtroom, using the third person. He says,
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Speaker 1: he does not have a private plane. Asshole to a
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Speaker 1: judge after you've been convicted of a crime, And what
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Speaker 1: does the judge do? Nothing? He lets him say that
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Speaker 1: if any other person had screamed out and called the
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Speaker 1: judge a word, they would have been hauled off to
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Speaker 1: jail on that moment. But not Bill Cosby. He got out.
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Speaker 1: There was such an outcry about how cushy it was.
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Speaker 1: You know, he'd been carrying this cane and looking so
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Speaker 1: feeble every day that he walked into court pretending he
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Speaker 1: was blind. He walked out of court holding that cane
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Speaker 1: in the air like a victory symbol, proving that he
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Speaker 1: was lying the entire time. I know it. Did you
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Speaker 1: notice that Ashley Willcott Ashley Willcot with me, Atlanta genital
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com.
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Speaker 1: Ashley not only that, I've watched him walking up and
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Speaker 1: down the steps to his private plane, the one he
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Speaker 1: said he didn't have, uh and he doesn't have anybody
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Speaker 1: helping him yeah, liar, liar, pants on fire, right, So
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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. I think the ego is
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Speaker 1: definitely an aspect of Bill Cosby that's causing him to
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Speaker 1: say these things. But keep this in mind too, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This is what bothers me, all right. He has means
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Speaker 1: that many defendants don't have, and that's what concerns me
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Speaker 1: if he's out on bond and others in similar circumstances
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Speaker 1: in this particular jurisdiction wrongly let these defendants out on bond.
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Speaker 1: The issue is, even if he doesn't own a private plane,
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Speaker 1: guess what, he sure can access one, he can rent one,
22:03
Speaker 1: he can lease one. He has got the financial resources
22:06
Speaker 1: to disappear. I'm just sick right now of Steve and
22:09
Speaker 1: t O'Neill, the so called judge who seems to me
22:13
Speaker 1: to be complicit with Bill Cosby. These women, over sixty
22:19
Speaker 1: six zero of them claimed to have been raped and
22:23
Speaker 1: or molested by Bill Cosby, and now they're getting raped
22:29
Speaker 1: in the court system because O'Neill, this judge will not,
22:34
Speaker 1: even after a jury finds Cosby guilty, will not send
22:39
Speaker 1: him to jail. Listen to lease lot Lubin describing to
22:48
Speaker 1: Dr Field how after luring her to his hotel, Cosby
22:53
Speaker 1: drugged her with a drink. The year was the owner
22:57
Speaker 1: of the modeling agency I worked for Old Me and
23:00
Speaker 1: said that Bill Cosby would like to meet with me.
23:03
Speaker 1: I was very excited to go and see him. I
23:05
Speaker 1: was starstruck. I felt invincible. I couldn't believe that he
23:10
Speaker 1: wanted to see me. I got to the hotel. He
23:13
Speaker 1: was a gentleman, and he was respectful and kind, and
23:18
Speaker 1: he seemed very interested in me, and that made me
23:21
Speaker 1: feel very secure in seeing him again. He was the
23:26
Speaker 1: jellow pudding man. He was everyone's dad. The next time
23:30
Speaker 1: that we met, I had asked if my mother and
23:34
Speaker 1: sister could join us, and he said yes, So we
23:39
Speaker 1: all went up to the Elvis suite. We had a
23:41
Speaker 1: great time, we took pictures. My mother trusted Bill completely,
23:49
Speaker 1: but Lisa claims he ended up betraying that trust. During
23:53
Speaker 1: a mentoring session in his hotel suite, Bill Cosby called
23:59
Speaker 1: me out of the blue and he said, can you
24:02
Speaker 1: come by and see me? And I was like, of course,
24:05
Speaker 1: And I went up to his hotel and I was alone,
24:08
Speaker 1: and he talked about let me see what type of
24:10
Speaker 1: acting skills you have. I want you to improv, and
24:14
Speaker 1: as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink
24:17
Speaker 1: and then he brought it to me. It was a
24:18
Speaker 1: brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told
24:21
Speaker 1: him I didn't drink. He said that this was going
24:23
Speaker 1: to relax me so that the lines would flow out
24:26
Speaker 1: a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made
24:29
Speaker 1: a second drink and add me drink the second drink
24:32
Speaker 1: as well. I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill
24:37
Speaker 1: had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said,
24:40
Speaker 1: come over here and have a seat. He had his
24:42
Speaker 1: legs open, and when I sat down, I was sitting
24:45
Speaker 1: down in between his legs with my back to his crotch.
24:49
Speaker 1: He started to stroke my hair back in a petting
24:53
Speaker 1: motion like this. The last things I remember is just
24:57
Speaker 1: feeling the strokes on my head. After of that, I
25:00
Speaker 1: don't remember anything else. We Lisa has not spoken publicly
25:05
Speaker 1: about her allegations and is coming forward for the first
25:08
Speaker 1: time right now, this minute today. How do you feel
25:12
Speaker 1: about coming out and talking about this right now, right here.
25:18
Speaker 1: I was not interested in talking about it out loud.
25:22
Speaker 1: One of my close friends, who is a detective in
25:25
Speaker 1: Raleigh Catherine, she told me to file a report. I
25:30
Speaker 1: wanted the police to be able to just confront him
25:34
Speaker 1: and let him know that I know he did something wrong.
25:37
Speaker 1: You know, if you we're on the witness stand, and
25:42
Speaker 1: this is part of your point about not filing the report,
25:47
Speaker 1: not filing charges, you don't really know what happened. Do
25:53
Speaker 1: you know if he raped you? Do you know if
25:57
Speaker 1: if he molested you in some way? Do you know?
26:00
Speaker 1: You don't really know what did happen? You know what
26:04
Speaker 1: to alexis Arrest, Chuck Right or online dot com. There
26:08
Speaker 1: are so many women over sixty of them climbing they've
26:12
Speaker 1: been raped. What's the hold up with this judge? This
26:14
Speaker 1: judge has been under fire this entire second trial. You know,
26:18
Speaker 1: the defense called him out saying that his wife was
26:22
Speaker 1: an advocate for sexual assault victims and that he should
26:25
Speaker 1: refuse himself, and he said, oh no, I can be
26:27
Speaker 1: completely independent. So I think that gave people hope that
26:31
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to back down, that he was on
26:33
Speaker 1: the side of the victims. But then he turns around
26:36
Speaker 1: and doesn't give him any jail time. So people are
26:39
Speaker 1: wondering if perhaps he really was hiding the way that
26:42
Speaker 1: he felt, and he showed his true colors by not
26:44
Speaker 1: putting Bill Cosby in jail. So what he did is
26:47
Speaker 1: the verdict was Thursday. Then the very next day he
26:50
Speaker 1: had to issue another order saying, oh, maybe I didn't
26:53
Speaker 1: make it clear in court that Bill Cosby has to
26:56
Speaker 1: stay in his house. Arrest can sometimes mean you can
26:59
Speaker 1: go out he get prior permission, but he says that
27:01
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby has to stay in the house. The meetings
27:04
Speaker 1: have to come to him unless it's an emergency. He
27:06
Speaker 1: has to live. So he's maybe trying to wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
27:09
Speaker 1: how how is that correcting anything? High profile lawyer and
27:13
Speaker 1: brimmer out of Seattle house arrested. He lives in a
27:17
Speaker 1: mansion with a personal chef. Everybody always comes to him.
27:21
Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is that a punishment? Well exactly,
27:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to live like But the fact is,
27:28
Speaker 1: you know, this judge maybe he's trying to like lean
27:30
Speaker 1: the other way, you know, to show that he's not biased.
27:33
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think everyone's scratching their heads,
27:35
Speaker 1: especially lawyers and especially advocates like you, Nancy Um that
27:39
Speaker 1: that handle cases with great victims. I represent a victim
27:43
Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby right here in Seattle. She's number sixty one.
27:46
Speaker 1: She's not even part of this case. The statute is
27:48
Speaker 1: run out here long ago in Washington on criminal and civil.
27:52
Speaker 1: And you know she was a model um. He groomed
27:55
Speaker 1: her parents from a small town. He offered to pay
27:58
Speaker 1: for part of her schooling, He offered to speak of
27:59
Speaker 1: her situation. This story goes on and on and on,
28:03
Speaker 1: and it's just appalling that this judge can't look around
28:06
Speaker 1: the horizon of the Bill Cosby devastations and say enough already,
28:10
Speaker 1: he's going to jail. What do we know about the
28:13
Speaker 1: judge out to Alexa to rust Chuck, What can you
28:17
Speaker 1: tell me about this guy? I mean, I know a
28:19
Speaker 1: little bit. I know. His name is Judge Stephen T. O'Neill.
28:24
Speaker 1: He was presiding judge at Cosby's first trial where there
28:30
Speaker 1: was a mistrial. And by the way, there's a hung
28:33
Speaker 1: jury is a mistrial. That means the first trial is
28:37
Speaker 1: a boarded. It can happen for a number of reasons.
28:39
Speaker 1: Hung jury means they can't reach a verdict. There could
28:42
Speaker 1: be an error in court. I remember I was trying
28:44
Speaker 1: a guy one time for um child rape and he
28:49
Speaker 1: was running a child prostitution ring and I called him
28:52
Speaker 1: a pimp an opening statements, I got a mistrial in
28:54
Speaker 1: my opening statement, Well don't worry, don't worry, don't worry.
28:58
Speaker 1: We let that jury go. I took I grabbed the
29:01
Speaker 1: lead detective by the ear and dragged him down to
29:04
Speaker 1: the grand jury and I said, don't move. The grand
29:08
Speaker 1: jury was in process. I took him in there and
29:10
Speaker 1: I had another I re indiced at him and had
29:13
Speaker 1: a pimp charge added. We struck the jury again that
29:16
Speaker 1: Thursday and he got convicted. So, long story short, hung
29:21
Speaker 1: jury can happen for a number of reasons. This is
29:25
Speaker 1: the same judge that sat on that jury as well.
29:28
Speaker 1: He was appointed in two thousand two by a Republican
29:32
Speaker 1: governor in Montgomery County. He was elected to a ten
29:36
Speaker 1: year term in two thousand four. Why alexis Tourez, Chuck Ashley, Willcott,
29:42
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall and Bremner? Why is he not throwing
29:46
Speaker 1: Cosby in jail? Alexis? What do you know? One of
29:50
Speaker 1: the things that we know when we cover these celebrity
29:52
Speaker 1: trials is these judges are really savvy. It's not the
29:55
Speaker 1: same crime in any way, shape or for him. But
29:57
Speaker 1: when Teresa Judaics from the Real Housewives of New Jersey
29:59
Speaker 1: was and on trial, the judge said, you know, I
30:03
Speaker 1: know about your life. I have read this, I've watched
30:06
Speaker 1: you on television. I know that things are not adding
30:09
Speaker 1: up here. Same with Abby Lee Milor from Dance Moms.
30:12
Speaker 1: That judge said, I was watching TV last night and
30:14
Speaker 1: I saw you on a commercial. There's no way you're bankrupt.
30:18
Speaker 1: So how is this judge not knowing? The cover of
30:21
Speaker 1: New Yorker magazine had forty three women on it. There
30:25
Speaker 1: is no way that this judge doesn't know about Bill
30:29
Speaker 1: Cosby's criminal past, and that he should have been much
30:32
Speaker 1: more aware of the tricks had been pulled and they tried.
30:35
Speaker 1: During this entire trial, there was a report that one
30:38
Speaker 1: of the jurors had said told a group, oh, I
30:41
Speaker 1: believe he's guilty. Don't we all believe he's guilty. The
30:43
Speaker 1: judge brought people in, questioned him, let him go. That
30:47
Speaker 1: juror was still on this jury. So people really felt
30:50
Speaker 1: like all along that this judge at the time, they
30:54
Speaker 1: thought that he was very pro prosecution. Now people are
30:56
Speaker 1: thinking that he was handing Cosby's team an appeal right
31:00
Speaker 1: now everyone asking why this judge refuses to send Bill
31:05
Speaker 1: Cosby America's dad. I said that it tasted like a
31:09
Speaker 1: dirt sandwich. America's funny man also tasted like a dirt
31:13
Speaker 1: sandwich to jail. When the guilty art it was announced
31:18
Speaker 1: in court for quote America's funny Man Bill Cosby, the
31:23
Speaker 1: victims ran out of the courtroom, bending over in half
31:28
Speaker 1: in tears. Why listen to Janice Baker Kenny. I began
31:34
Speaker 1: living in Reno and working at Harris sometime around the
31:38
Speaker 1: summer of nine eighty. I worked my way up from
31:41
Speaker 1: Keno runner to cocktail waitress to bar back, and then
31:44
Speaker 1: I began bartending at Harris in October. I worked predominantly
31:50
Speaker 1: in one of the showrooms and was often acquainted with
31:53
Speaker 1: many of the performers. Many of the bands performing and
31:57
Speaker 1: the smaller show room were booked for two weeks at
32:00
Speaker 1: a time, and the headlining acts were there for approximately
32:03
Speaker 1: one week. It was not unusual to get to know
32:07
Speaker 1: the performers and for them to get to know the
32:10
Speaker 1: regular staff that worked the shows, since these acts were
32:13
Speaker 1: sometimes booked more than once a year. When the headliners
32:17
Speaker 1: were booked at Harris, I recall that they had the
32:20
Speaker 1: option of staying at the hotel, in a penthouse suite,
32:23
Speaker 1: or a home owned by Harris. I know Mr Cosby
32:28
Speaker 1: chose to stay at the house because that is where
32:31
Speaker 1: I was sexually assaulted by him in May of n
32:39
Speaker 1: I had been at that house a couple of times
32:41
Speaker 1: previous to that night, invited there for after show parties.
32:45
Speaker 1: I remember going to one party hosted by Wayne Newton
32:48
Speaker 1: and it wasn't out of the ordinary. So when a
32:51
Speaker 1: friend said that Bill Cosby invited her to the house
32:54
Speaker 1: for a pizza party, I didn't think it was strange
32:57
Speaker 1: and I agreed to meet her there. I did, however,
33:01
Speaker 1: think it was strange when I arrived and my friend
33:04
Speaker 1: Judy was ringing the front door belt holding the pizza.
33:09
Speaker 1: When I joined her at the front door and Bill
33:11
Speaker 1: Cosby opened the door, it took me a few moments
33:13
Speaker 1: to realize that this was a pizza party for just
33:16
Speaker 1: three I thought I would have a beer and maybe
33:20
Speaker 1: a slice of pizza and hang out for a little
33:22
Speaker 1: bit and then be on my way. These are the
33:26
Speaker 1: moments that I can remember. Bill Cosby offered me a
33:31
Speaker 1: pill and I took one from him. He then told
33:35
Speaker 1: me to take two that it would be fine, and
33:38
Speaker 1: I guess I thought it must be okay. Bill Cosby
33:41
Speaker 1: said it was, so I began to play a game
33:44
Speaker 1: of backgammon with Mr Cosby. We were in the kitchen
33:47
Speaker 1: or dining room area at that time, and I remember
33:49
Speaker 1: telling him this game isn't fair and he asked me why,
33:54
Speaker 1: and I said, because I can't see the board anymore.
33:58
Speaker 1: And then I passed out. Yeah. I woke up sometime
34:02
Speaker 1: later hearing voices and it was my friend Judy leading.
34:07
Speaker 1: I was now in the living area on the couch
34:09
Speaker 1: with my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open. Bill
34:14
Speaker 1: Cosby came and sat down with me on the couch
34:16
Speaker 1: and asked me if I was feeling okay. He had
34:19
Speaker 1: me leaning against him on the couch while his arm
34:21
Speaker 1: was around me, and it was then he put his
34:24
Speaker 1: hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then helping
34:29
Speaker 1: me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was in
34:31
Speaker 1: no condition to leave to drive to say anything. I
34:36
Speaker 1: was so humiliated that I had passed out and I
34:38
Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened. He had assured me that
34:42
Speaker 1: it was okay to take the pills, but obviously it
34:45
Speaker 1: was not. I woke up the next morning naked in
34:56
Speaker 1: bed with a naked Bill Cosby. He was touching my
35:00
Speaker 1: belly and on my genital area. The phone rang and
35:03
Speaker 1: it seemed to be a business call, so I got
35:06
Speaker 1: dressed and went downstairs to leave. I was mortified at
35:10
Speaker 1: what had happened. He came down and met me at
35:13
Speaker 1: the front door, and as he opened the door for me,
35:16
Speaker 1: he stopped it part of the way before I could
35:18
Speaker 1: get out, and he said these exact words, this is
35:22
Speaker 1: between you and me, and he put his finger to
35:26
Speaker 1: his mouth like a sign. I told him I was
35:30
Speaker 1: not planning on alerting the media, and I left. That
35:33
Speaker 1: was Janice Baker Kenny speaking at a press conference. I
35:40
Speaker 1: don't get it. The women are bent over double outside
35:44
Speaker 1: the courthouse and am Bremnor Seattle lawyer. What the judge
35:50
Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's not He doesn't watch TV, he
35:52
Speaker 1: doesn't read the internet. I don't. I don't get it.
35:55
Speaker 1: He doesn't know the pain Cosby has caused. He doesn't
35:58
Speaker 1: somehow know about the sixty Wi men that he molested allegedly,
36:03
Speaker 1: and he lets his guy go home to his brown
36:05
Speaker 1: stone well exactly, And now I was even thinking about
36:08
Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson trial with you and I covered Nancy
36:10
Speaker 1: at length. Jay Leno one night on TV said he
36:13
Speaker 1: had the judge's gavel, and the next morning the judge,
36:16
Speaker 1: Judge Meppel said, has anyone seen my gavel? He had
36:18
Speaker 1: watched it. It It was about Michael Jackson the night before.
36:21
Speaker 1: You know, they see all of this. You know they
36:23
Speaker 1: watch all of this. We all know all of this.
36:26
Speaker 1: It's in the zeitgeist. It's out there everywhere. I mean,
36:29
Speaker 1: anyone that smiths me too, like you said, it's either
36:31
Speaker 1: living in a cave or under a rock. He knows
36:34
Speaker 1: all of this, and despite all of that, he's basically
36:37
Speaker 1: said he can go home. I'm not worried about you.
36:40
Speaker 1: You know, you're not a flight risk, etcetera, etcetera. Now
36:43
Speaker 1: he talks about his age and he talks about his health.
36:46
Speaker 1: Does that mean he's basically say you're gonna be gonna
36:49
Speaker 1: continue on your bond on appeal, which could take years.
36:52
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, is he's saying
36:54
Speaker 1: he's going to get probation. We have to look ahead.
36:56
Speaker 1: Just what he's telegraphed by his words of the other day,
37:00
Speaker 1: as the fun smuggers, Old Black man public for salad
37:05
Speaker 1: that I hate, canceled t put your parts on black people.
37:09
Speaker 1: I was on TV and haighties. I can talk down
37:13
Speaker 1: to you without a successful sitcom. Yeah it was great
37:17
Speaker 1: women Bill Cosby so kind of raise your downcoming naxious.
37:22
Speaker 1: I don't curse on stage, but yeah you're rakings So
37:26
Speaker 1: take you, say Bill Cosby himself if you want the rapist.
37:34
Speaker 1: I don't know why what I'm doing by telling you,
37:37
Speaker 1: I guess one of the at least make it weird
37:41
Speaker 1: fu cosmy shore dudes image for the most breaks public
37:54
Speaker 1: teugh line image I've done. It's been on stage and
37:58
Speaker 1: people don't believe people that I'm making it up. I'm
38:00
Speaker 1: like Bill a lot of rebilda. No you'll do They
38:10
Speaker 1: called me captain kick him out is upset. If you
38:18
Speaker 1: didn't know about it, trust you need goog Bill Cosby
38:26
Speaker 1: more results than Hannibal Alexis tos Chuck investigative reporter, Radar
38:31
Speaker 1: Online dot Com. How many years ago was that? That
38:35
Speaker 1: was Hannibal Burrus stand up comedian out right calling Bill
38:40
Speaker 1: Cosby a rapist during a stand up And luckily you know,
38:45
Speaker 1: somebody cell phone video and it's been out there forever
38:49
Speaker 1: it was in. But also, you know, Tina Fay made
38:53
Speaker 1: a joke about Bill Cosby being a rapist on thirty Rock.
38:56
Speaker 1: Judd Apatow, the comedian, I mean, but also a producer
39:01
Speaker 1: of Knocked Up. This is forty. He has been talking
39:04
Speaker 1: about this four decades because he said he knew women
39:07
Speaker 1: that were personal victims. And I don't even think these
39:10
Speaker 1: are women that have come forward. So there are more
39:13
Speaker 1: than the sixty women that have come forward. And so
39:15
Speaker 1: these very powerful people in Hollywood have known this for
39:18
Speaker 1: a long time, and they have all subtly put it
39:21
Speaker 1: into different things over the years. And it finally took
39:24
Speaker 1: this one video of Hannibal Burnus where people just were
39:28
Speaker 1: sick of it, and they were just sick of the lies,
39:30
Speaker 1: and they finally came forward and it was a watershed.
39:34
Speaker 1: One woman to ten you think ten women, no sixty women,
39:39
Speaker 1: and it's all over the country and you find out
39:41
Speaker 1: it's in you know, so many people knew about it.
39:43
Speaker 1: It's in the same fancy vacation home over and over
39:47
Speaker 1: and over again. It's the same Sweden, Vegas over and
39:50
Speaker 1: over again. It's the same hotel near the university over
39:53
Speaker 1: and over again. He had an m O that he
39:56
Speaker 1: followed very closely, and women after women fell victims. He
40:00
Speaker 1: manipulated their families. Everybody was involved to daughter Bethany Marshall
40:05
Speaker 1: l a psychoanalyst. So how can the judge not know?
40:09
Speaker 1: How can he look at himself, this judge O'Neill, how
40:13
Speaker 1: can he look at himself in the mirror and not
40:16
Speaker 1: san Cosby to jail? Not only that Nancy, but when
40:20
Speaker 1: as Alexis put it so beautifully, same hotel room, same
40:24
Speaker 1: offending pattern, same manner of grooming the victims, families, same
40:29
Speaker 1: types of victims. It goes on and on. How is
40:33
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby going to stop himself? If he's not in jail,
40:37
Speaker 1: he's going to be unable. He will be just as
40:41
Speaker 1: easily able to offend from his brown Stone, as you
40:45
Speaker 1: put it, as he would if he's walking out on
40:48
Speaker 1: the streets. It does, A compulsion doesn't stop just because
40:53
Speaker 1: the sentence has been handed to well, I mean, but
40:55
Speaker 1: think about it. Think about what Alexis was just saying
41:00
Speaker 1: to you. Astley Wilcott has Brownstone, That's where some of
41:04
Speaker 1: the alleged rapes occurred. And you know, the horrific thing
41:07
Speaker 1: and all of this is that I think the judge
41:10
Speaker 1: has an um an approach, right because I'm on the
41:14
Speaker 1: bench of it's not a big deal. I mean, it's
41:17
Speaker 1: horrific that a judge is acting in a way that,
41:20
Speaker 1: to me sends the message to all victims all over
41:24
Speaker 1: the world. Hey, so somebody can be convicted of this
41:28
Speaker 1: and it's okay. They can still go home. They have
41:31
Speaker 1: you know, he's older, he has health issues. It's fine,
41:34
Speaker 1: he can go home. It's not a big deal. I mean,
41:37
Speaker 1: that's what's really frightening in this case. The other thing
41:40
Speaker 1: is he put them on ankle monitor. So what I
41:43
Speaker 1: have that as a sentencing option. Ankle monitor doesn't mean
41:46
Speaker 1: a person cannot leave their home. It only means they
41:48
Speaker 1: get tracked if they leave their home. Can listen to
41:51
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby talking to Larry King on CNN about how
41:58
Speaker 1: Spanish fly could help guys seduce women. I mean, really,
42:05
Speaker 1: Spanish fly was the thing that all boys at from
42:10
Speaker 1: age eleven on up to death. We will still be
42:15
Speaker 1: searching for Spanish flower. And and what was the old
42:19
Speaker 1: The old story was if you took a little drop
42:22
Speaker 1: it was on the head of the it doesn't make
42:28
Speaker 1: it and the girl would drink it, and she's hello American.
42:33
Speaker 1: And and you hear laughter in the background, laughter, Dr
42:39
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. And not only laughter. He references boys age
42:44
Speaker 1: eleven to the end of their lives using Spanish fly
42:49
Speaker 1: eleven year olds. That gives us insight into the first
42:54
Speaker 1: nature of Bill Cosby's mind. Can you imagine an eleven
42:58
Speaker 1: year old drugging a girl. It's not just the laughter.
43:02
Speaker 1: Every aspect of that sound bite or that piece is off.
43:07
Speaker 1: It would be interesting to know when Bill Cosby began
43:11
Speaker 1: to offend, and it will be interesting to know how
43:14
Speaker 1: he continues to offend now that he's remanded to his
43:18
Speaker 1: home rather than to a jail. He will offend. He'll
43:22
Speaker 1: pick up the phone, he'll bring in an assistant. He'll
43:25
Speaker 1: start I'm sure there's somebody on his radar, some young
43:28
Speaker 1: woman whose family he's grooming. He's he has a phone,
43:32
Speaker 1: he has a cell phone, he has a computer. He
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Speaker 1: will continue to stalk them. It is not going to
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Speaker 1: stop just because the verdict has been handed down. Judge
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Speaker 1: Steven O'Neil allowing Bill Cosby to remain free on a
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Speaker 1: million dollar bond until his sentencing. A sentencing date has
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Speaker 1: not been announced as of right now. Now, under the
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Speaker 1: law it's supposed to happen within ninety days of conviction. Now,
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Speaker 1: if all the parties agree, it can happen after that.
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Speaker 1: But why are we waiting three more months? The next
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Speaker 1: legal battle will be at the sentencing. Now, if Cosby
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Speaker 1: is sentenced to prison, he should go directly behind bars,
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Speaker 1: but many people believe his lawyers will argue he should
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Speaker 1: be out on bond during the appeal. An appeal bond
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Speaker 1: is hardly ever granted. Would you agree with that, Ambremner? Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: And I mean the fact of the matter is in
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Speaker 1: this case, when we look at sentencing, we can use
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Speaker 1: concepts like retribution and deterrence and restitution, you know, these
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Speaker 1: kinds of things. So why is a judge giving him
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Speaker 1: basically a free ride and telegraphing and he's not going
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Speaker 1: to look at any of those things at sentencing other
44:54
Speaker 1: than the defendant himself and his ill health you know,
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Speaker 1: quote unquote, and his age and eight what that the stop?
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Speaker 1: The guys in perfect health. He's got access to the
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Speaker 1: best doctors in the world, the best, the best medicine,
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Speaker 1: the best uh workouts, private massages, private trainers, personal chefs,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and the blind thing he can see when
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Speaker 1: he wants to, and well, absolutely, and the fact of
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Speaker 1: the matter is eighty isn't that old anymore. I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna say it's the new sixty or whatever. He's well
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Speaker 1: enough to unzip his aunts, Ashley Willcott exactly to shaneyency
45:36
Speaker 1: as always, I was expecting a little more of an
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Speaker 1: answer than ye. But hold on, sorry about that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's unfathomable, the number of victims. And I just
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Speaker 1: go back to I don't think whatever court sentences to
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Speaker 1: sentences him too and imposes he's never going to believe
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Speaker 1: he did any thing wrong. He is going to reoffend.
46:02
Speaker 1: We just heard that from another one of your guests.
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Speaker 1: So it's in comment on the court to protect everybody
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Speaker 1: out there in the world, and the courts failed to
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Speaker 1: do that by letting him out. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Carla Frigno. Now this is the incredible Halt Louffrigno's wife
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Speaker 1: speaking to me here on crime stories. And so he
46:23
Speaker 1: played first with my date and then guess who won
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Speaker 1: bill And he said, okay, well, now I play with Carla.
46:31
Speaker 1: Now it's getting on to be around midnight. It's getting late,
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Speaker 1: and I picked up the pools que and I'm I'm playing,
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Speaker 1: and I suddenly I looked up and I said, where
46:42
Speaker 1: where did your wife go? And he goes, oh, I
46:45
Speaker 1: she probably went to bed. I said, oh, okay, and
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Speaker 1: then I then I play. I shot another thing and
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Speaker 1: I'm doing good at this game. And then I looked
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Speaker 1: up and I go, well, where's my date? And he goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. He probably went to the bathroom or something.
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Speaker 1: And so he played the game. We did it. He
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Speaker 1: beat me and I took my my my, my pool
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Speaker 1: queue and it was in my back was to him,
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Speaker 1: and I turned around and I put it on the
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Speaker 1: table and when I turned back around, he lunched me.
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Speaker 1: He just lunched right, I mean just on me. He
47:21
Speaker 1: jumped me, and I was in shock, and I I
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Speaker 1: pushed him, like with all the strength I had. I tried,
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Speaker 1: and then he grabbed me and he kissed me right
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Speaker 1: in the mouth, and I just I kicked. I pushed
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Speaker 1: away from him and I got away from and I
47:39
Speaker 1: was like, oh, and I mean it was it was
47:42
Speaker 1: so awful. And then I looked up and those eyes
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Speaker 1: that he looked, he looked like the devil. He didn't
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Speaker 1: look like the fun, happy guy anymore. He looked like
47:52
Speaker 1: the devil. And I said, I I for a second,
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Speaker 1: I go I just I sat there for a second
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Speaker 1: and I looked at him, and I was I was
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Speaker 1: a tough girl. I grew up, but in those days,
48:04
Speaker 1: I was a tough street girl. I knew how to
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Speaker 1: take care of myself. And men were always trying to
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Speaker 1: molest me my whole life, ever since I was like
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Speaker 1: five years old. Said I always got away. So I
48:17
Speaker 1: I took I. I started running down the hallway. He
48:20
Speaker 1: lived in a very large house on the flats of
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. And I went running down the hallway. And
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Speaker 1: just as I'm running down the hallway, who comes out
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Speaker 1: of a door My date. So I looked at my
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Speaker 1: date and I said, I'm leaving. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take me home now, right now. And he did and
48:38
Speaker 1: I I never even talked to him about it. I
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Speaker 1: just went completely silent, got in the car. He took
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Speaker 1: me and dropped me off and that was that. So
48:46
Speaker 1: that was my experience. And I got away and out
48:49
Speaker 1: of the supposedly sixty five women that have come forward
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Speaker 1: or or I don't know how many. I think it
48:56
Speaker 1: was that, but they they I I just I just
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Speaker 1: got away. There was no way. And the reason I
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Speaker 1: got away was because I didn't I didn't drink anything.
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Speaker 1: You know. I think our friend Gloria already says it
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Speaker 1: all on the courthouse steps. Listen, Tom Masro, you tried,
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Speaker 1: you failed. The personal attacks did not work. Bill Cosby,
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Speaker 1: three words for you. Guilty, guilty, guilty, and Bremner, Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, Alexis tors Chuck Ladies, thank you, Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend ye