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Credlin | 16 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kremlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on kred lad Well. Earlier he was an
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Speaker 2: never Trumper. Today Jodie Vance has been officially announced as
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's running mate. I said last night I thought
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Speaker 2: he'd be the pick.
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Speaker 3: Well he is.
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Speaker 2: So what we know about Vance? Well, I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott, who knows him personally for his insights into
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Speaker 2: the type of VP Advance called. Make another big boost
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Speaker 2: in the polls for the coalitions cost of living, bites, groceries.
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Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you this. They're up fourteen
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Speaker 2: percent and more proof that Labour's only bright idea is
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Speaker 2: more taxation. As economist fear label will break through the
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Speaker 2: former coalition government's cap on tax calls for Justinterallen to
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Speaker 2: stand aside today is concern grows. She knew about allegations
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Speaker 2: of criminal and corrupt behavior by the CFMU as a
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Speaker 2: scar and or threatens to engulf the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: Labor Party finances. And for a party that's been marred
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Speaker 2: by division in the past, there was no sign of
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Speaker 2: that today in Milwaukee. As a Republican National Convention kicked
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Speaker 2: off with President Trump receiving a hero's welcome in his
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Speaker 2: first public appearance since the attempted assassination. We can see
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Speaker 2: there he was triumphant, albeit subdued. Donald Trump arrived late
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Speaker 2: in the evening on Day one of the Republican National Convention,
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Speaker 2: and while he appeared fairly knocked around by the events
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Speaker 2: of the weekend, he still held the room in the
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Speaker 2: palm of his hand.
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Speaker 4: Thank my lucky stars today because the flag still stand.
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Speaker 4: Freedom to be an Americans done.
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Speaker 3: The Why God bless.
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Speaker 2: I went to school in the stays. I whant to
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Speaker 2: hear songs like that. I find them really moving, and
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Speaker 2: you could see they're from the family of the former president.
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Speaker 2: The man himself as well, they too were moved, hardly
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Speaker 2: surprising given that near death experience. And let's hope he's
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Speaker 2: made a permanently better man. No, that's a champion for America,
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Speaker 2: but less needlessly abrasive to those who disagrees with because
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Speaker 2: this new statesman like Trump would be the Democrats worst nightmare.
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Speaker 3: We'll see, but.
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Speaker 2: Already there are signs this is not business as usual
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Speaker 2: for the Trump campaign or the Republican Party. Life appearance
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Speaker 2: for the first time in the one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: one year history of the powerful Teamsters Union of their
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Speaker 2: president Seann O'Brien on the stage at the convention today,
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Speaker 2: the Teamsters are here to say we are not beholden
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Speaker 2: to anyone or any party.
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Speaker 3: The left called me a trader. It's an honor to
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Speaker 3: be the first Teamster in our one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 3: one year history to address the Republican National Convention.
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Speaker 2: But the big news today, the somewhat surprising news, was
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Speaker 2: the vice presidential peak. First term Ohio Senator JD. Vance
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Speaker 2: now aanswy's generational change. He's just thirty nine years of age.
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Speaker 2: He's whipped, smart and highly articulate.
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Speaker 5: He just said, look, I think I'm going to go
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Speaker 5: see this country. I think you're the guy who can
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Speaker 5: help me in the best way. You can help me govern,
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Speaker 5: you can help me win, you can help me in
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Speaker 5: some of these Midwestern states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and so forth.
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Speaker 5: And he said rightfully that we have been very, very
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Speaker 5: close for a long time, but especially since I endorsed
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Speaker 5: you in twenty twenty two, and I would not have
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Speaker 5: won that race without Donald Trump's endorsement and the President's trust,
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Speaker 5: then in his partnership since that has been something I
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Speaker 5: value a great deal.
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Speaker 2: Vans grew up taf mostly raised by his grandmother in
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Speaker 2: russ Belt flyover America. He joined the Marines and he's
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Speaker 2: fought in the uniform. He's also written a brilliant moving
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Speaker 2: best seller, Hillbilly Elogy on the strengths and weaknesses of
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Speaker 2: modern America. He's made money in business, and if he
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Speaker 2: makes it to the White House, he will be the
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Speaker 2: organizational heft and discipline in the second Trump administration that
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Speaker 2: I have to say was missing last time. Now, predictably,
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Speaker 2: there's been some criticism. Does he have the experience to
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Speaker 2: be just a heartbeat away from the presidency, the world's
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Speaker 2: biggest job. He's not experienced guvnor as some say Mike
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Speaker 2: Pence wa was. He won't bring over a state or
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Speaker 2: a demographic as some say Nickie Hayley might. Still is
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Speaker 2: one of Washington's rising stars and will augment Trump's credibility
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Speaker 2: with America's blue collar workers. They're working poor and veterans
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Speaker 2: on almost every level. Vance is so different from Biden's
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Speaker 2: VP pick, chosen not for her talent but for her
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Speaker 2: race and gender. And proven to be incompetent and the
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Speaker 2: only job she's ever had, namely managing the chaos on
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Speaker 2: the border.
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Speaker 3: As well.
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Speaker 2: As a former Trump critic, Vance can say to people
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Speaker 2: who are undecided, look, I changed my mind on Trump,
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Speaker 2: so can you.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: The Democrats will try and throw Vance's words in the
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Speaker 2: past about Trump, bangad him in campaign ads, the Trump
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Speaker 2: in a sanctum, or their del lighted with their pick.
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Speaker 7: I think the exact opposite. I don't think there's anybody
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Speaker 7: that doesn't brace my father's platform more over the last
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Speaker 7: couple of years than GD. He's gone one to think
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Speaker 7: it hard and he's been fantastic. Those guys are going
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Speaker 7: to work the other great and I see behind the
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Speaker 7: scenes how much respect to each other for one another,
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Speaker 7: and it's probably something that the media traditionally doesn't see.
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Speaker 7: But they're going to make a hell of a team.
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Speaker 2: All focus now shifts to what surprises are in store
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Speaker 2: at the Republican Convention tomorrow. Ahead of Trump's being acceptance
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Speaker 2: speech on Thursday, we're told he's torn up his old
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Speaker 2: speech after the weekend's assassination attempts. So hold on to
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Speaker 2: your hats because Trump is anything but predictable. Look these
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Speaker 2: allegations of kickbacks, corruption and criminality inside the CFMAU and
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Speaker 2: not just a disaster for the Union but a crisis
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Speaker 2: for state and federal labor. The CFMU is the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party's biggest donor and the biggest block of votes inside
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Speaker 2: labor conferences. It was the power base for former Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier Daniel Andrews, and now too for his handpicked successor
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Speaker 2: just Into Allen. It's the mainstay of the National Left,
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Speaker 2: which is Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi's powerbase as well. The
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Speaker 2: idea that these savvy political operators were completely ignorant of
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Speaker 2: claims of corrupt conduct by the CFMU defies common sense.
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Speaker 2: But almost the first act of the rud Gillard government
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Speaker 2: was to abolish the ABCC, the tough building industry cop
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Speaker 2: on the beat that had helped to keep the crooked
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Speaker 2: Union in check. And almost the first act of the
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Speaker 2: incoming Albanesi government was to abolish the ABCC for a
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Speaker 2: second time, even though it had prosecuted dozens of CFMU
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Speaker 2: officials and imposed literally millions and millions in fines. And
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Speaker 2: let's not forget that almost the first act of the
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Speaker 2: incoming Dan Andrews government was to abolish the Victorian version
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Speaker 2: of the ABCC as well, because that's how things work.
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Speaker 2: The Libs cracked down on union thuggery, while labor tolerates it,
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Speaker 2: even makes money from it. Yet, if senior labor politicians
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Speaker 2: had somehow missed the two thousand and three Coal Royal Commission,
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Speaker 2: which highlighted countless instances of thuggery, how could they have
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Speaker 2: missed the twenty fifteen hated Royal Commission, which had two
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Speaker 2: whole volumes on the misdeeds of the c OFMU. Now
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Speaker 2: Setka's rap sheet has been ignored by labor for years
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Speaker 2: as they wilfully pocketed his donations. As the Australian Financial
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Speaker 2: Review said in its editorial today, and I quote, are
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Speaker 2: we really meant to accept that federal and state labor politicians,
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Speaker 2: who profess horror at what's been uncovered had no inkling
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Speaker 2: of the network of political corruption fostered by the power
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Speaker 2: of union money and influence inside the ALP. Now, regardless
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Speaker 2: of the OMATA, which is a mafia code for silence
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Speaker 2: inside labor, the AFR continued, the lawlessness has been repeatedly
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Speaker 2: spelled out by Federal court judges. These latest delegations too,
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Speaker 2: are a huge problem. Victorian Premier just Into Allan, the
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Speaker 2: infrastructure minister for years and years, who's presided over the
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Speaker 2: state's one hundred billion dollar big build, and that's turned
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Speaker 2: out to be such a honeypot, hasn't it for the
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Speaker 2: crooked Union. Today the finn Review, which is highly part
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Speaker 2: of any giant right wing conspiracy, said and I quote
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Speaker 2: miss Allen is hopelessly compromised and she should resign. Today
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Speaker 2: the Premier said she'd quote paused the CFMU used donation
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Speaker 2: to labor, not ban them, not return them, just pause them. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is the same premier who claimed to have zero
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Speaker 2: tolerance for law breaking, but it took a year to
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Speaker 2: respond to a letter detailing illegal intimidation and then just
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Speaker 2: referred it anyway to the federal government.
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Speaker 8: And I do want to also acknowledge today the processes
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Speaker 8: in place did not support It's clear they did not
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Speaker 8: support particular correspondence being acted on or resolved quickly.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just federal state labor. Sorry, that's in
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Speaker 2: the gun here. Federal labour too is every bit as
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Speaker 2: complicit as its state counterparts and running this protection racket
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Speaker 2: for a crooked union. It takes the millions from the
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Speaker 2: CFMU and in return abolishes the only body, the ABCC,
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Speaker 2: capable of bringing them to heal. So let's see what
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Speaker 2: the federal government does from here. Will it move to
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Speaker 2: register the CFMU, as the whole government did with the
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Speaker 2: equally crooked Builders Laborers Federations of BLF. Will it's seek
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Speaker 2: to put the whole union into administration as the Gillard
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Speaker 2: government did with the hardly less crooked Health Services Union.
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Speaker 2: Or will it take the act u's advice and let
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Speaker 2: this crooked union sort itself out. This is a huge
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Speaker 2: test for Anthony Albaneasi, Prime Minister. Just whose side are
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Speaker 2: you on? All right, we'll go to Camberra now for
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Speaker 2: the headlines. Sky News political reporter Olivia Caisley Good.
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Speaker 9: Evening, Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi and Victoria's Premier de Cinta
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Speaker 9: Allen were sent detailed evidence of allegations of bullying and
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Speaker 9: extreme violence at the hands of CFMU officials nearly two
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Speaker 9: years ago.
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Speaker 10: The claims made by an Indigenous labor higher firm also
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Speaker 10: detail incidents of officials manning non union affiliated firms from
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Speaker 10: major state and federal construction projects.
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Speaker 8: What we have seen and I acknowledge this. What we
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Speaker 8: have seen shows that there are gaps in current reporting
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Speaker 8: and complainant systems.
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Speaker 10: Nine newspapers revealed mister Alberesi's office did not respond to
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Speaker 10: the letter. Miss Allen took a year to respond and
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Speaker 10: deferred the allegations to the federal government. Labour's now facing
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Speaker 10: increasing pressure to end political donations from the CFMEU.
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Speaker 8: Mister Albanesi needs to front the Australian payble and bomb
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Speaker 8: once in his life, takes some responsibility and apply to
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Speaker 8: de register the CEMEU.
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Speaker 9: Meanwhile, former Department of Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pizzolo is
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Speaker 9: calling for a sweeping review into protective services for Australian politicians.
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Speaker 10: He says the last major review was Justice Robert Hope's
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Speaker 10: analysis after the Hilton bombing of nineteen seventy eight, and
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Speaker 10: an update is needed.
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Speaker 11: Horrendous assassination of prim Straba or former PRIMU Strabo only
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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty two, as you can imagine, that would
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Speaker 11: have energized a lot of Western and indeed are the
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Speaker 11: governments to look at those those issue and our agencies
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Speaker 11: are on this from an operational and tactical point of view.
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Speaker 11: My concern is, are we future casting, Are we looking
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Speaker 11: at methodologies down the track in the way that we
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Speaker 11: do in defense and intelligence?
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Speaker 10: The cool fellows he attempted assassination of Donald Trump over
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Speaker 10: the weekend and an uptick in threats against Australian politicians.
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Speaker 2: All right, lots to get across as in there, here
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Speaker 2: and overseas to do that. I'm now joined by the
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Speaker 2: Herald Sign Columbus and author Patrick Carline and senior fellow
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Speaker 2: at the Mensies Research Center, Nick cat Well, gentlemen, welcome.
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Speaker 2: Will start, of course with the first appearance of Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump since the attempted assassination over the weekend, the former
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Speaker 2: president's triumphant. When he strode into the RMC room in Milwaukee,
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Speaker 2: there was a standing ovation. He didn't speak, but he
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Speaker 2: was officially confirmed unanimously as a Republican presidential nominee. He
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Speaker 2: also announced via social media the author JD. Vans would
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Speaker 2: be his running mate. Nick, I'll start with you what
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Speaker 2: your reaction on his appearance today. I thought he looked strong,
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Speaker 2: but clearly, and Joe Hockey was there. He sent me
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Speaker 2: a text of the same effect. He said, he looks
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Speaker 2: really knocked around by events on the weekend. Well, we
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Speaker 2: all can understand that. What's your reaction to the vision
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Speaker 2: and also the pick of jd Vance to join his ticket.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think you're right. Donald Trump is looking very strong.
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Speaker 12: You know, one's tempted to say unbeatable, but of course
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Speaker 12: you wouldn't there say that in politics at the moment,
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Speaker 12: and the events of the last forty eight hours have
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Speaker 12: just been incredible, Peter. I mean, if you'd have workshopped
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Speaker 12: that as a plot for a novel, you couldn't have
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Speaker 12: come up with what actually happened two centimeters one way.
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Speaker 12: The man was dead two centimeters the other way, and
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Speaker 12: it was a shot fired at the valley, but obviously
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Speaker 12: it hit him, and that his reaction to that was
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Speaker 12: just I can't find any other words to extri but
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Speaker 12: except extraordinary. So he's going in the fewer words he
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Speaker 12: says in general, I think the more popular is he
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Speaker 12: doesn't actually have to say too much now we know
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Speaker 12: what he represents. As for jd. Vance, I'm very, very
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Speaker 12: excited by this appointment. You know, the Republicans have been
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Speaker 12: moving for more than twenty years towards picking up those
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Speaker 12: working class, blue collar working class people. The Democrats don't
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Speaker 12: still struggle to understand why working class people would not
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Speaker 12: vote for them. But that's definitely the case to have JD.
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Speaker 12: Evans in that chair. And also JD. Vance's intellectual credentials
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Speaker 12: are second to none. In that book he wrote, po
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Speaker 12: Will of the Energy sets out clearly what the Trump
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Speaker 12: agenda is in a very clear and coherent manner. It's
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Speaker 12: a very important addition to the team. And I think
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Speaker 12: the reaction to the Democrats of his appointment show what
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Speaker 12: a great appointment that was.
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Speaker 2: I also think Ala made this point at the top
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Speaker 2: of show Nick that if they do get into the
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Speaker 2: White House, he'll put some steel into the running of
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Speaker 2: the administration. It was you seem to be a bit
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Speaker 2: chaotic in the first era of Trump. I think it'd
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Speaker 2: be very different if he comes back in with Vance
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Speaker 2: Patrick Clearly, I mean Nix made the point there's a
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Speaker 2: real push by Republicans into that blue collar territory, not
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Speaker 2: only in the choice of Vance, but I mean lots
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Speaker 2: of speakers took to the stage. There was retirees, small
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Speaker 2: business owners, there was a Latino woman who didn't vote
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Speaker 2: with Trump last time. She said she's changed her mind.
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Speaker 2: Really key a demographic. Obviously they're Latinos. But the appearance
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Speaker 2: of this Teamsters union president, the first such Teamster in
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty one years to turn up to
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Speaker 2: an R and C convention, I mean, he's clearly signaling
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Speaker 2: that the Democrat base is up for grabs. Here's a
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Speaker 2: grab actually from what he had to say. This is
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Speaker 2: Sew O'Brien, president of the Teamsters, and.
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Speaker 7: I think we all can agree whether people like him or.
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Speaker 4: They don't like him, and later what happened to him
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Speaker 4: on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: He has proven to be one tough s ob.
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Speaker 6: Patrick.
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Speaker 2: This will further discombobulate the Dems, won't it.
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, Look, I think it says more about the Democratic
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Speaker 13: campaign than necessarily the Trump campaign.
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Speaker 6: At the moment.
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Speaker 13: It is so far off the rails it's untenable to
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Speaker 13: a group like the Teamsters, who historically have have endorsed
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Speaker 13: the Democrats going back a very long way. Seawan and
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Speaker 13: O'Brien and what he said talked about JD.
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Speaker 6: Vance.
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Speaker 13: Obviously he's a massive win in terms of picking up
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Speaker 13: that working class sort of votes in those swings states
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Speaker 13: like Ohio and Pennsylvania. But he talked about him as
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Speaker 13: somebody who truly cares about working class people, and that
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Speaker 13: sort of bridges a divide, doesn't it, between the Republicans
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Speaker 13: and some of those blue collar workers who weren't necessarily convinced.
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Speaker 13: Trump doesn't have to do much at the moment. He's
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Speaker 13: got JD. Vance and he's got people like Sean O'Brien.
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Speaker 13: You basically, if not, it doesn't even have to endorse Trump.
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Speaker 13: It's just the fact that he is disindorsed in effect
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Speaker 13: the Democrats, that he's so critical at this moment.
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Speaker 2: And Nick just quickly, I mean, Joe Biden's struggling. We
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Speaker 2: know that there's a war inside the Democrats. Some want
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Speaker 2: to replace him, but to make it easy, he basically
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Speaker 2: has to resign. He was apologizing today for his comments.
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Speaker 2: I referenced them last night where he talked about a
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Speaker 2: bullseye on Trump. They're in a world of pain, aren't they.
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Speaker 12: Well, they are, and this is the time when you
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Speaker 12: need a leader. The Democrats need a leader who is
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Speaker 12: strong on his feet, quick thinking, and can be relied
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Speaker 12: not to say the wrong thing. We don't have that,
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Speaker 12: of course in Joe Biden. So you know his verbal problems,
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Speaker 12: the issues with his cognitive ability, They're only going to
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Speaker 12: be amplified by this, unfortunately for the Democrats. And Jade
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Speaker 12: Vance once again, I gather he's a mal annual Ashley Peter.
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Speaker 12: I can't believe we've actually put a millennial in the
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Speaker 12: vice potentially in the vice presidency, but I gather that's
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Speaker 12: what he is. So he will only serve to exaggerate
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Speaker 12: and show up that difference in age with Biden.
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Speaker 2: And I think intellectual certainly with the other vice president
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Speaker 2: we've got there in the race. Let's leave Milwaukee there.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to Joe Hockey in a moment.
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Speaker 2: He's got a ringside seat. We'll get his analysis.
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Speaker 10: Let's move to this.
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Speaker 2: Continuing fallout from that expose around alleged criminal activity and
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Speaker 2: corruption in the now notorious cfmau just sent to Alan
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Speaker 2: today and Anthony alban Easy. They're both tied together here,
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Speaker 2: all these allegations that they had some understanding of what
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Speaker 2: was going on inside the union for some eighteen months. Patrick,
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Speaker 2: we've seen reports of extraordinary pay and perks by this union.
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Speaker 2: We know in Victoria, you know, the lollipop traffic controllers
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Speaker 2: on these major projects getting something like two hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a year. Victorians have angry, They've been angry for
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Speaker 2: a long time. It's fueling and and of course just
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Speaker 2: sent to Alan. She might have only been Premier for
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Speaker 2: a few months now, but she's been in that cabinet
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Speaker 2: for twenty years. She was the infrastructure head. She's from
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Speaker 2: the left of the union where the CFBU runs the show.
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Speaker 2: Surely we need a royal commission, and surely she's got
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Speaker 2: to stand aside.
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Speaker 13: Look what she came out and the horror that she
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Speaker 13: projected yesterday just doesn't pass the pub test, does it.
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Speaker 13: As you said, she's been there for ten years. Her
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Speaker 13: fingerprints are all over this sort of culture of wholesale
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Speaker 13: roughting and gouging. Whether it's incompetence, whether it's complicity, I
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Speaker 13: don't know. But she cannot now stand out and say
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Speaker 13: I'm horrified by this. Now the problem with royal commissions,
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Speaker 13: that would be the natural place to go. I have
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Speaker 13: had some experience in reporting on these over the years.
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Speaker 13: Quite often they were revealed terrible travesties of justice and
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Speaker 13: a lack of transparency and all the rest. But they
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Speaker 13: don't necessarily lead to any meaningful changes down the track.
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Speaker 13: And that's what worries me about this. This has been
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Speaker 13: going on for a long time. Victorians feel very angry
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Speaker 13: and they feel very ripped off. We are paying for
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Speaker 13: these lollipop people, if you want to call them that.
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Speaker 13: Who ere two and a half times more than a
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Speaker 13: nervous or a police officer. It's outrageous and it's been
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Speaker 13: going on for a very long time.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I share your skepticism about the Royal commissions in a
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Speaker 2: sense that we had the two thousand and three to
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Speaker 2: one John Howard brings in the abc C labor scrapperd
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Speaker 2: We have a twenty fifteen Royal Commission and ABC is
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Speaker 2: recommended again, it's brought back and then Anthony Albanezi scraps it.
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Speaker 2: But we can't keep going on like this. A new
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Speaker 2: poll today nick a new poland it's not good reading
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Speaker 2: for the government. Peter Dutton is leading, Albanese is preferred
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Speaker 2: prime minister. This is the Resolve Political Monitor. Thirty six
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Speaker 2: of respondent say they prefer to see mister Dutton in
22:02
Speaker 2: the job. There's thirty one percent say they prefer the
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Speaker 2: prime minister. He's dropped one point. But I think more
22:08
Speaker 2: telling is the movement on priory vote the coalition's picked
22:11
Speaker 2: up two points, they said on thirty eight. Now, if
22:14
Speaker 2: you know your numbers, you know that the Coalition likes
22:16
Speaker 2: to be the high thirties into the forties to win
22:19
Speaker 2: an election given preference flows. But Labor they are steady
22:23
Speaker 2: at twenty eight percent, and that's the party's lowest level
22:26
Speaker 2: of support. So that Anthony Albanesi took power. So any
22:32
Speaker 2: time you cut these numbers, now, Nick, were absolutely in trend.
22:36
Speaker 2: At best, it says Labor will lose the next election.
22:42
Speaker 2: They're on track to lose, sorry, but at best they
22:43
Speaker 2: might end up in a minority government. House is feeding
22:48
Speaker 2: in to talk of an early election.
22:49
Speaker 12: Do you think I think you sta all over again, Snitty.
22:53
Speaker 12: I mean we saw this in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
22:58
Speaker 12: You were closely involved in that. Of course that when
23:01
Speaker 12: you know, the popularity of the Labor government fell, it
23:03
Speaker 12: fell very quickly. I think people really would like I
23:07
Speaker 12: generally would like to give people a second go. They
23:09
Speaker 12: don't want to, you know, they put their faith in
23:11
Speaker 12: a government. They don't want to turn back on the
23:13
Speaker 12: decision they made three years ago. But Atney alb and
23:16
Speaker 12: Easy has made that very very hard for them. And
23:19
Speaker 12: I think I don't personally don't think it actually accelerates
23:23
Speaker 12: the chances of an early election. And I think you'll
23:25
Speaker 12: be hanging on hoping things improved, particularly on the economy
23:28
Speaker 12: and interest rates, but even that doesn't look too promising.
23:31
Speaker 12: But I think it all goes down to alben Easy.
23:34
Speaker 12: In the end, it was his election to lose. If
23:38
Speaker 12: they lose it, and I'm not certain about that yet Peter,
23:41
Speaker 12: but if they do, it's his. It's all down to him.
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Speaker 12: Having said that, of course, Peter Dutton has put in
23:47
Speaker 12: an extraordinary performance for the last three years, but in
23:50
Speaker 12: the end, you know, Albanesi has just proved himself to
23:52
Speaker 12: be a extraordinarily embarrassingly poor prime minister.
23:58
Speaker 2: I do think you're right, Nick. I think he is
24:00
Speaker 2: the albatross around Labour's neck and I think they're stuck
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Speaker 2: with him, just like the Democrats, look got they're stuck
24:04
Speaker 2: with Biden. Gentlemen, thank you or keep moving. It's a
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Speaker 2: pretty hectic show tonight, all right, after break, Joe Hockey
24:10
Speaker 2: will join me from the floor of the Republican National Convention.
24:13
Speaker 2: That big day.
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Speaker 3: We'll go through it.
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Speaker 2: Trump perceiving that superstar reception and jd Vance. We'll get
24:20
Speaker 2: into all of that and what's happening next. What does
24:23
Speaker 2: Joe Hockey think's happening next for the Democrats? Welcome back
24:30
Speaker 2: still to come, having got to know him personally, Tony
24:33
Speaker 2: Abbott will join me for his take on jd Vance
24:37
Speaker 2: class as a former industrial relations minister in Howard is
24:41
Speaker 2: what does Abbot think must be done to stamp out
24:44
Speaker 2: union lawlessness? But first, it was clear from day one
24:48
Speaker 2: of the Republican National Convention that the GOP is energized.
24:53
Speaker 2: How much of this we can put down to Trump's
24:55
Speaker 2: brush with death. Well, it's hard to tell just now,
24:58
Speaker 2: but for a party it's been fractious in the past,
25:02
Speaker 2: there were no signs of that today in Milwaukee, Australia's
25:06
Speaker 2: former ambassador to the United States, former Liberal treasurer and
25:09
Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, has spent the day at the conference and
25:12
Speaker 2: I was able to catch up with him a little earlier.
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Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, Welcome to the program. Let's start with the
25:18
Speaker 2: big news of Trump's running mate, jd Vance. What do
25:22
Speaker 2: you make of Trump's pick of a first term senator
25:25
Speaker 2: as his running mate.
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Speaker 3: Well, there is an element of risks to a Peter
25:29
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. JD. Vance's a first term senator.
25:33
Speaker 3: He's only thirty nine years of age, has the same
25:36
Speaker 3: birthday as me, but nineteen years later was eborn, and frankly,
25:42
Speaker 3: from a Trump perspective, he's a safe bet. He's from
25:47
Speaker 3: a policy perspective, on the same page as Donald Trump.
25:51
Speaker 3: Having said all of that, there's no doubt that the
25:55
Speaker 3: next four years are going to be the equivalent of
25:58
Speaker 3: a long episode of The Apprentice. So JD. Vance is
26:01
Speaker 3: going to have to earn his stripes. It's not going
26:04
Speaker 3: to be an easy path for him to succeed Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Vance has got a real connection with what we in
26:11
Speaker 2: Australia would call the forgotten Australians the forgotten Americans in
26:15
Speaker 2: your case, particularly in the Southern States, the rustbelt areas
26:19
Speaker 2: where people feel that globalization has perhaps passed them by.
26:24
Speaker 2: Vance also has a military background and as a veteran
26:27
Speaker 2: that will obviously aid Trump.
26:30
Speaker 6: At one time.
26:30
Speaker 2: Of course, he was a never Trumper. Do you think,
26:33
Speaker 2: Joe that the room's now forgiven him.
26:36
Speaker 3: He is a blue collar candidate, There's no doubt about that.
26:39
Speaker 3: And even as we're speaking, you know, the speaker on
26:43
Speaker 3: the stage is talking about how he favors union based
26:48
Speaker 3: workers and Donald Trump favors based you'd work was union
26:51
Speaker 3: based workers. So there is a real targeting of the
26:55
Speaker 3: blue collar base that has been abandoned by the Democrats. Yes,
27:00
Speaker 3: and you know, JD. Vance has an incredible story. You know,
27:05
Speaker 3: he was abandoned by his father, His mother was a
27:08
Speaker 3: drug addict, who was raised by his grandparents in a
27:12
Speaker 3: very very poor household, and he pulled himself up. He
27:17
Speaker 3: went to Yale and studied law. He was a marine
27:20
Speaker 3: that served, he was a very successful businessman in a
27:25
Speaker 3: short period of time. All of that cascades into an
27:28
Speaker 3: incredible story that the Republicans traditionally used to have but
27:35
Speaker 3: lost for a while there. And it's completely counter narrative
27:38
Speaker 3: to what the Democrats are claiming about the Republican Party.
27:44
Speaker 2: All right, let's forecast into what we can expect will
27:47
Speaker 2: be a very different speech from Trump on Thursday. All
27:52
Speaker 2: the headlines here and in the US is saying, this
27:55
Speaker 2: is it born again Trump, This is Donald Trump two
27:58
Speaker 2: point zero case. What does it mean for the man
28:02
Speaker 2: and the campaign?
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Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump's policies two point zero will be the
28:07
Speaker 3: same as the first term he'll want lower taxes, less regulation,
28:11
Speaker 3: He'll want to control the borders. He'll want to empower
28:14
Speaker 3: the military with greater resources. He'll stand up to America's enemies,
28:20
Speaker 3: which people tend to overlook. He really did stand up
28:24
Speaker 3: to North Korea, to Russia, to China, and forget the rhetoric,
28:29
Speaker 3: he stood up to them. And of course, you know,
28:32
Speaker 3: he rails against a vast amount of money being spent
28:36
Speaker 3: on climate change. He wants America to be energy independent,
28:40
Speaker 3: which already is all those things. There is a policy divide.
28:44
Speaker 3: You'll understand this, Peter. There is a deep policy divide
28:48
Speaker 3: between the Republicans and the Democrats. That is what defines
28:52
Speaker 3: American politics, and it's all of those things. The Republicans
28:56
Speaker 3: believe in, lower tax less regulation, greater focus on controlling
29:01
Speaker 3: the borders, better immigration, et cetera, et cetera, whereas the
29:04
Speaker 3: Democrats are the opposite. And that is what is hardening
29:08
Speaker 3: up the base of both parties. The personalities of the
29:11
Speaker 3: candidates are just on top. So Donald Trump is in
29:15
Speaker 3: a very strong position, not just because of all the
29:19
Speaker 3: events that have occurred and because of Biden's weaknesses. Donald
29:23
Speaker 3: Trump is in a strong position because of policy and
29:26
Speaker 3: policy principles.
29:27
Speaker 2: Joe, I reckon you as an Australian, No Trump better
29:30
Speaker 2: than anyone else. So what do you think of the
29:33
Speaker 2: events of the weekend and how they would be weighing
29:36
Speaker 2: on him personally?
29:39
Speaker 3: Look, Peter, he you know I have been there when
29:41
Speaker 3: he's discussed security and he knows that he's been a target.
29:48
Speaker 3: I think what it will affect Donald Trump. There's no
29:52
Speaker 3: doubt about that it will affect him. But you know,
29:59
Speaker 3: I don't like to say it, but it's going to
30:00
Speaker 3: make him a better person, a more tolerant person, a
30:05
Speaker 3: more sensitive person. It's a division, and I think it's
30:08
Speaker 3: going to make him a better president to have survived
30:12
Speaker 3: such a shocking and horrible event because he is now
30:18
Speaker 3: very much aware of the risk of the job. He's
30:23
Speaker 3: also very aware of his own potential frailty, and I
30:26
Speaker 3: think that's one of the reasons why he went with
30:28
Speaker 3: JdE Evans, and I think that's why he'll temporary speech
30:31
Speaker 3: on Thursday. He is a pugilist. He loves a fight,
30:36
Speaker 3: but at the same time he will focus on the
30:40
Speaker 3: fact that he needs to have a succession plan that
30:43
Speaker 3: works for America and not just Donald Trump.
30:47
Speaker 2: I want to ask you now about Joe Biden. Has
30:50
Speaker 2: what happened brought him time? I mean, ultimately, will he
30:55
Speaker 2: end up on the ballot in November or do you
30:57
Speaker 2: think he will be replaced? As hard that is to orchestrate,
31:03
Speaker 2: I just.
31:04
Speaker 3: Don't think he's going to give up now and be
31:08
Speaker 3: the Democrats have the stomach to replace him. I just
31:13
Speaker 3: think they're running out of time. Bear in mind, the
31:16
Speaker 3: voting starts mid September. The Democrat convention is going to
31:21
Speaker 3: be hugely important and I'll be covering it with you
31:25
Speaker 3: for Sky News. But it's going to be a hugely
31:28
Speaker 3: important convention because the mood will be quite obvious amongst
31:34
Speaker 3: the rank and file members of the Democrats. At this stage,
31:37
Speaker 3: I have to tell you they are in utter despair
31:41
Speaker 3: after the events a Saturday Night. But even before that,
31:44
Speaker 3: they knew that it was not sustainable to argue that
31:48
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's going to be around for another four years.
31:52
Speaker 3: What occurred on Saturday Night has done two things. Firstly,
31:57
Speaker 3: it has guaranteed, in my view, Biden will not step down.
32:02
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is not going to run away from a fight,
32:04
Speaker 3: never has in his life, and certainly after the threat
32:07
Speaker 3: of an assassin's bullet to his opponent. He is not
32:11
Speaker 3: going to cower and give up. So I think that's
32:14
Speaker 3: really important. The second point about Saturday is that it
32:19
Speaker 3: says to him he now has a legitimate reason to
32:23
Speaker 3: keep fighting, and if he loses to Donald Trump, it
32:26
Speaker 3: was circumstances that worked against him rather than his own age.
32:30
Speaker 3: It was the advantage Donald Trump got out of national sympathy.
32:34
Speaker 3: That's the way he'll justify it. But frankly, I don't
32:38
Speaker 3: see him going and I can say to you that
32:41
Speaker 3: senior Democrats are very upset and in deep despair about it.
32:46
Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, I know you love your politics. You wouldn't
32:48
Speaker 2: want to be anywhere else in the world right now.
32:51
Speaker 2: What's the mood of the convention? Like I mean, it's
32:54
Speaker 2: been a fractious Republican party certainly before we got into
32:57
Speaker 2: the primary season, but particularly after the weekend, it feels united.
33:03
Speaker 2: What's the mood on the floor amongst the delegates.
33:07
Speaker 3: It's a really good question, Peter, because I was at
33:10
Speaker 3: the last genuine convention in twenty sixteen, and at that
33:15
Speaker 3: time it seemed like Donald Trump was at a legitimate candidate.
33:19
Speaker 3: He was an outsider that had taken the Republican Party.
33:22
Speaker 3: Inside the convention, people were supporting him. He had the
33:25
Speaker 3: delegates outside the convention. Everyone said he's never going to
33:29
Speaker 3: beat Hillary this convention. I was expecting to have a
33:33
Speaker 3: somber murder about it. But it's not joyful elation, but
33:37
Speaker 3: it's positivity. People are energized, they're to fine and their focus.
33:44
Speaker 3: It's quite interesting. I was speaking to a war veteran
33:47
Speaker 3: from New Hampshire. He's a delegate from New Hampshire, and
33:52
Speaker 3: he said he was one of the first Republicans to
33:54
Speaker 3: meet Donald Trump when he was a candidate for the
33:58
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen election. And he said to me, you know,
34:01
Speaker 3: I'm just a war veteran fort in Vietnam with you ozzies.
34:05
Speaker 3: And he said, there were just ten of us in
34:07
Speaker 3: the room and we were one of the first times
34:10
Speaker 3: Donald Trump came to ask Republicans for a vote. And
34:14
Speaker 3: I said to him, you're a billionaire, I'm a war
34:17
Speaker 3: veteran on a pension. What do we have in common?
34:20
Speaker 3: And Donald Trump said, any question, anything you ask. What
34:25
Speaker 3: we have in common is that I'm going to fight
34:27
Speaker 3: for you for what you believe in. And this guy,
34:31
Speaker 3: his name's Joe as well. He said to me. From
34:34
Speaker 3: that day onwards, he's not been an uncritical Trump fan,
34:39
Speaker 3: but he has been a Trump supporter. And I think
34:42
Speaker 3: there are a lot of people in here that are
34:44
Speaker 3: Trump supporters because Donald Trump is fighting for what they
34:48
Speaker 3: want and believe it. They are no longer embarrassed to
34:52
Speaker 3: believe in God, to go to church to you know,
34:56
Speaker 3: from my perspective, I'm not happy about it, but to
34:59
Speaker 3: bear their arms. They're not embarrassed to believe in lower taxes,
35:03
Speaker 3: less regulation. They're fighting for their families and their communities,
35:07
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump speaks for them. And you know that's
35:10
Speaker 3: that's the mood. That's a positive mood. It's an energetic mood,
35:15
Speaker 3: but it's not an outrageous mood, and it's not an
35:17
Speaker 3: extreme mood.
35:19
Speaker 2: Great to have your company, Joe, Thanks for joining us.
35:23
Speaker 3: Thanks Petter, take care of yourself.
35:27
Speaker 2: Nothing beats talking to people on the ground. Stay here
35:29
Speaker 2: on Credline every night this week. Then a cross into
35:32
Speaker 2: the convention and gets you the word from delegates with
35:35
Speaker 2: people who know exactly what they're talking about, like Joel
35:37
Speaker 2: Hockey all right after the break Tony Abbott. He knows
35:40
Speaker 2: what he's talking about when it comes to union lawlessters,
35:43
Speaker 2: he'll way into the CFMAU hangtight, welcome back. Still to come.
35:52
Speaker 2: France faces backlash over plans to ban the hard jib
35:56
Speaker 2: for athletes at the upcoming Olympic Games. One panel way
35:59
Speaker 2: than that shortly, But at first, I want to stick
36:01
Speaker 2: to the US election and Trump's running. Made jd Vance
36:04
Speaker 2: because my next guest actually knows him personally. Let's bring
36:08
Speaker 2: inform Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Well, welcome, Tony. You made
36:14
Speaker 2: the bitch and I made there that you know jd Vance.
36:16
Speaker 2: You've met him on a number of occasions. Surprise pick today.
36:20
Speaker 2: Given is very young and he's a first term senator.
36:24
Speaker 2: What do you make of the man that you know,
36:26
Speaker 2: but also the man that we'll see now in this
36:28
Speaker 2: really important role.
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Speaker 14: He's a very very smart guy. He's a genuine representative
36:36
Speaker 14: of the working class. Sure he's done very well since
36:40
Speaker 14: his difficult youth, but he hasn't forgotten the communities that
36:44
Speaker 14: shaped him. So I think he's generational change. I think
36:49
Speaker 14: he's going to further energize the Republican Party, and I
36:53
Speaker 14: think he is going to really continue that shift that
36:58
Speaker 14: we've seen over the year is of rich people voting
37:02
Speaker 14: more left, poor people voting more right, and that's not
37:07
Speaker 14: something that should worry conservatives because in the end, there
37:11
Speaker 14: are far more less.
37:12
Speaker 6: Well off people than there are very well off people.
37:15
Speaker 14: So I think it's been a very strong choice by President.
37:20
Speaker 2: Trump, and have to say magnanimous given that, given that.
37:24
Speaker 6: He hasn't always been a Trump fan.
37:27
Speaker 14: I think Trump has shown a degree of magnanimity and
37:30
Speaker 14: a degree of far sightedness in picking someone who is
37:32
Speaker 14: a couple of generations below him. And I think this
37:35
Speaker 14: is a welcome sign of renewal on the part of
37:40
Speaker 14: the Republicans and hopefully for the American system more generally.
37:44
Speaker 2: I just spoke a moment ago to Joe Hockey and
37:46
Speaker 2: he made some comments and I wanted to pull that
37:48
Speaker 2: and discuss with you because it sort of mirrors comments
37:52
Speaker 2: you've made about politics here, particularly on the center right
37:55
Speaker 2: in Australia. Let's have a listen.
37:58
Speaker 3: There is a deep policy device between the Republicans and
38:02
Speaker 3: the Democrats. That is what defines American politics, and it's
38:06
Speaker 3: all of those things the Republicans believe in lower tacks,
38:09
Speaker 3: less regulation, greater focus on controlling the borders, better immigration,
38:14
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, whereas the Democrats are the opposite,
38:18
Speaker 3: and that is what is hardening up the base of
38:21
Speaker 3: both parties. The personalities of the candidates are just on top.
38:27
Speaker 2: Now, I say, hallelujah.
38:29
Speaker 14: I respectfully disagree a little with Jael. I don't think
38:33
Speaker 14: that the Democrats base is hardening. I think that their
38:37
Speaker 14: base is narrowing because the Democrats in the United States
38:41
Speaker 14: like labor here and in Britain, notwithstanding the recent election,
38:45
Speaker 14: which I think was a bit of an aberrationion, More
38:48
Speaker 14: and more the Anglo sphere left has identity and climate obsessions,
38:55
Speaker 14: which I think are ultimately anathema to decent working class people.
39:00
Speaker 14: On the other hand, I think that the base of
39:02
Speaker 14: the center right is broadening, and I think it's including
39:06
Speaker 14: more and more people who once upon a time would
39:09
Speaker 14: have been, if you like, tribally of the left, tribally
39:12
Speaker 14: labor here.
39:13
Speaker 3: So I think.
39:16
Speaker 6: Joe is only partly right.
39:18
Speaker 3: If I could also.
39:19
Speaker 6: Take issue with another point too.
39:22
Speaker 14: I mean, I just think there is something wrong with
39:27
Speaker 14: a system which is hostage to an old man stubbornness,
39:32
Speaker 14: and I can't believe a credible political party would persist
39:37
Speaker 14: with someone who, regardless of his meritorious service over the
39:41
Speaker 14: years and regardless of the current difficulty of change, is
39:50
Speaker 14: plainly past his prime.
39:53
Speaker 6: Let's face that this guy is the leader of the
39:55
Speaker 6: free world.
39:55
Speaker 14: In effect, he's our president as well as America's president.
40:00
Speaker 14: I just think it's incumbent on a political party that
40:02
Speaker 14: wants to be taken seriously to give the public a
40:06
Speaker 14: viable choice.
40:08
Speaker 2: Because right now Biden looks bigger than the Democrats.
40:11
Speaker 14: That's right, and no political party can be owned by
40:16
Speaker 14: any individual. In the end, the country and the party
40:20
Speaker 14: have got to be more important than the individual. The
40:22
Speaker 14: individual has got to understand that it's the party and
40:26
Speaker 14: the country ultimately that come first, not your own ego,
40:30
Speaker 14: not your own ambition, not your own place in history.
40:34
Speaker 2: What I liked about Joe's point, though it talks about
40:36
Speaker 2: there's a big policy difference now in American politics, and
40:39
Speaker 2: this isn't that is a good thing, because you've often
40:42
Speaker 2: said the problem here with a liberal party, particularly at
40:45
Speaker 2: state level, and certainly under Malcolm and to be fair
40:48
Speaker 2: Scott Morrissey when he went Kumbayar on zero is there
40:51
Speaker 2: was no contest. We had learned so far to the
40:54
Speaker 2: left that it was basically, you know, two versions of
40:57
Speaker 2: the left putting themselves forward for office. Over there, there
41:00
Speaker 2: is a big bloody difference between the Republicans and the Democra.
41:03
Speaker 6: Correct, it was the left versus the very left. Now
41:06
Speaker 6: you're right.
41:07
Speaker 14: While the Dems will go off with their climate and
41:09
Speaker 14: identity obsessions under Trump and vance economy and security, that'll
41:17
Speaker 14: be the big concerns of the Republicans. It means over time,
41:23
Speaker 14: lower taxes, less regulation. It means over time much stronger
41:27
Speaker 14: armed forces. It means proper border control. They won't just
41:31
Speaker 14: talk about it, I'll get it done. So look, I
41:34
Speaker 14: think there is going to be a clear contest in
41:36
Speaker 14: the United States, as I'm pleased to say under Peter Dutton,
41:40
Speaker 14: we have a very clear contest developing here in Australia.
41:44
Speaker 2: All right, go back a few hats to when you
41:47
Speaker 2: were the Industrial Relations Minister for John Howard. You took
41:51
Speaker 2: on the CFMU. I even recall John Setka suing you
41:56
Speaker 2: for defamation over comments you made about bad union behavior.
42:00
Speaker 2: This has been an open secret for anyone in politics.
42:04
Speaker 2: The travails of this expos we've seen in recent days
42:08
Speaker 2: through the nine newspapers we've had two Royal commissions, we're
42:11
Speaker 2: bought in two rounds of the ABCC. There's been some
42:15
Speaker 2: level of cleanup and then it gets thrown out by
42:19
Speaker 2: Labor and we revert back to this. Why we care
42:22
Speaker 2: about it as taxpayers is they are ripping off the
42:26
Speaker 2: system and hard working Victorians in particular. But Australians are
42:30
Speaker 2: paying for this, and the Prime Minister and the Victorian
42:34
Speaker 2: Premier say, well, Jesus is all surprised, we didn't.
42:36
Speaker 6: Know about it exactly right.
42:37
Speaker 14: Look, our house prices are higher, our rents are higher
42:41
Speaker 14: because of the roughts, rackets and ripoffs that this union
42:45
Speaker 14: has perpetuated for decades. But yes, liberal governments consistently try
42:54
Speaker 14: to restrain the lawlessness. Labor governments consistently turn a blind eye.
43:00
Speaker 6: Of the lawlessness, but take the money. Happy to take
43:02
Speaker 6: the money.
43:03
Speaker 14: Every year a million dollars in affiliation fees from the CFMU.
43:06
Speaker 14: The CFMU is the biggest block vote inside the Labor Party.
43:10
Speaker 14: I regret to say it, Peter, but effectively the Labor
43:15
Speaker 14: Party has been running a long term protection racket for
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Speaker 14: the most crooked union in the country. And that's why
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Speaker 14: we've what we've seen recently, which is if you like
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Speaker 14: through sixty minutes, if you're like our Royal Commission with pictures.
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Speaker 6: Very powerful, very powerful.
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Speaker 14: I think that this is not just a disaster for
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Speaker 14: the Union, a well deserved disaster for the Union, but
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Speaker 14: it's an absolute crisis for the Labor Party. It's now
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Speaker 14: the Premier and the Prime Minister who are on trial.
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Speaker 14: Do they have the guts to reign in this union
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Speaker 14: which is behaved in an UnAustralian way for decades.
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Speaker 2: Good to have you, comp You're on fire tonight. We're
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Speaker 2: going to stay there all night.
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Speaker 6: Can we all right?
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Speaker 2: After the break? Serious questions have been raised about how
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Speaker 2: the Secret Service got it so wrong over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Reports today the shooter was on the roof for as
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Speaker 2: long as twenty six minutes. Plus what will it actually
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Speaker 2: take if the Democrats do what Tony Abbott says and
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Speaker 2: remove Joe Biden, because it's not as simple as you
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Speaker 2: might think. Plus a big win today in the courts
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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump as well.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my pad on our Michael Danby, former
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Speaker 2: Labor MP, skuy News contributor of course, and Kosher Garter
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Speaker 2: who's an international expert that joins us every Tuesday. Let's
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Speaker 2: start with a secret service. They're facing an independent review
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Speaker 2: Kasher and Michael following the massive security failures that led
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Speaker 2: to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. As even claims today,
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Speaker 2: the shter was on a roof for twenty six minutes
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Speaker 2: before we open fire. The head of the service says
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Speaker 2: she will not resign Todave. It's vowed to cooperate with investigation. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the Department Homeland Security Secretary may Orcus has finally approved
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Speaker 2: a Secret Service protection for rf J. Kennedy Junior, after
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Speaker 2: previously denying him this protection. I mean, give the family name.
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Speaker 2: I think it'd be a given. But this comes after
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Speaker 2: Trump publicly advocated for urfk Jr. To get protection. I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what, Michael. She cannot stay in her job.
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Speaker 2: I think the whole service has got a real cloud
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Speaker 2: over it, doesn't it If she.
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Speaker 1: Had any pride, she'd resign. Every Security Service person I've
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Speaker 1: seen interviewed on every international networks that they cannot understand
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Speaker 1: how a shoot had got in one hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: feet one hundred and forty yards of the main party
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Speaker 1: where gald Donald Trump was serve addressing. And if you
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Speaker 1: look at the angles of his head. If he hadn't
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Speaker 1: turned to look at that map at the last minute,
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Speaker 1: we'd be talking about a dead a dead candidate. She must,
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Speaker 1: she must resign. The detailed the Secret Services. I was
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Speaker 1: very brave. But the other perimeter of policemen who are
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Speaker 1: working for them were all in the wrong place. It's
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Speaker 1: unbelievable that Trump supporting barbecuers could see this bo climbing
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Speaker 1: up the reverse slope of a now aminim roof, but
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Speaker 1: no one from the Secret Service could see them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like they haven't had rooftop shooters, you know,
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Speaker 2: hit presidents in the past. Good news, good news for Trump,
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Speaker 2: though kosher US federal judges thrown out the classified documents
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Speaker 2: case against him, arguing the Special Council had been unlawfully appointed. Biden,
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Speaker 2: though refusing to drop out of the race, He's been
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Speaker 2: pushed again and again and again. He's done a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of media in recent days trying to silence his critics.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that's working that well. Here he is
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Speaker 2: speaking to the NBC News program during his most recent interview, Who.
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Speaker 3: Do you listen to?
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Speaker 12: I'm deeply personal issue, like the decisions whether to stay
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Speaker 12: in the race or not me.
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Speaker 15: I've been doing this a long time, the idea that
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Speaker 15: I'm the old guy.
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Speaker 3: I am.
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Speaker 15: I'm old, but I'm only three years older than Trump
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Speaker 15: number one and number two. My mental acuity has been
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Speaker 15: pretty damn good.
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Speaker 2: So no one believes he's running the show kosher. So
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Speaker 2: is that the people who are actually exercising the power
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Speaker 2: day to day why he's there is the front man?
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Speaker 2: Are they the ones who don't want to let go?
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Speaker 2: Do you think?
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Speaker 16: Now? I've long been saying, Peter, that there are two
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Speaker 16: factions overhear it at play. There's a power play going
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Speaker 16: on between those whose own political futures are inextricably linked
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Speaker 16: to Biden's. This could be the delegates, this could be
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Speaker 16: various people in his staff, cabinet, ministers, others for whom
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Speaker 16: the current setup you know, is working quite well for them,
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Speaker 16: and they like the idea of that front man, as
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Speaker 16: you put it, continuing on and they're actually the people
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Speaker 16: wielding the power behind the scenes. And then there's the
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Speaker 16: other faction of congressional leaders, senatorial leaders, who are all
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Speaker 16: up for election either in the cycle or the next cycle,
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Speaker 16: and they believe that the tails you know, that the
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Speaker 16: downward drag that he would bring on the ticket is
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Speaker 16: going to be existential for them. There could be an
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Speaker 16: existential level wipeout of Democrat leaders, so those folks and
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Speaker 16: others as well, which is for a president of Obama
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Speaker 16: in that camp. Has just been this power play between
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Speaker 16: the two. The advantage Biden has, which is why I've
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Speaker 16: maintained that I still think it is less than fifty
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Speaker 16: percent likely that he will be shipped out of here,
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Speaker 16: is that he has the advantage of running out the clock.
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Speaker 16: There are lots of procedural, barer barriers that have to
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Speaker 16: be overcome, and every day that passes by he advantages
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Speaker 16: in that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even things like you know, printing ballot papers, organizing booths,
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Speaker 2: the financials, all of that's quick question to you both.
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Speaker 2: On France, I'm watching closely the aftermath of that snap election, Michael,
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Speaker 2: the left to coaliest to sort of push back the
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Speaker 2: National Front Party. They are not able to form a government.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're scrapping amongst themselves. I mean this is huge,
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Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Macron made a terribleness say this is like back to
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Speaker 1: France of the Third Republic that leads to its downfall.
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Speaker 1: In the Second World War. But the far left led
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Speaker 1: by Melachon, are as unpleasant and as splinted, and then
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Speaker 1: Missus la Pena and the far right. I suspect that
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Speaker 1: Macron's party, the moderate Conservative Republicans and the right faction
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Speaker 1: of that Popular Front will eventually coll this, but without Melachon,
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Speaker 1: who was an appalling hardline Trotskya.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly coach the Harji ban. I mean that's causing
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Speaker 2: on of angst amongst the human rights lobby in Paris.
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Speaker 16: Yes, it's a contradictory collision of a few different things.
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Speaker 16: The rate of the national team team France to decide
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Speaker 16: what their uniform is and say that his job is
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Speaker 16: not part of that. There's obviously a political undercurrent where
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Speaker 16: it's become emblematic of assimilation, which is something that they're
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Speaker 16: all struggling with. And then it's cioc flexing on the
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Speaker 16: other side as well. So this has become a firestorm.
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Speaker 2: I gotta leave it there. Thank you both for your time,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your company. Angel bolts up next