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Is The Media Lying To Us Right Now? · Harder Than Life

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• 1:13
  What's the biggest lie being pushed in mainstream media right now? I was there in Phoenix for the memorial service for Charlie Kirk. And the biggest lie being pushed is that this is a both sides issue. It's not. And now we've got all this AI stuff. Is this even real? How much is made up? How much is just complete garbage? If something is free, you are the product. I'm not the product. My information is the product.
• 1:36
  Every vehicle, 2026 model year going forward, the government can now have a remote kill switch from space. I think it's awful. Awful. The police in places like London arrest people for posts that they made on Facebook. There's something terribly wrong.
• 1:52
  terribly wrong for people that say well that could never happen in america you're a fool of course it could happen in america and i think freedom of speech in the future has to be defended right down the line they don't have it in canada they don't have it in mexico we have it and it is worth defending it is worth fighting for every step of the way
• 2:12
  Welcome back to another episode of the Heart of the Life podcast. I'm your host, Kelly Siegel, and today, man, we've got a straight-up fire breather in the house. I am Jack to welcome Steve Gruber, award-winning journalist, nationally syndicated radio host, and the unapologetic voice behind The Steve Gruber Show, the number one radio program in Michigan. This man built one of America's top production companies, and now he's broadcasting truth into millions of homes through real America's voice.
• 2:42
  But this episode isn't just about radio waves and media buzz. We're going deep into the collapse of corporate journalism, the war on free speech, and how to build something real when the world wants to cancel you. We're talking grit, censorship, truth bombs, and what it takes to hold the line when everyone else is selling out.
• 3:02
  So if you're tired of being lied to by the media, if you feel like the truth is under attack and you're ready to fight for something that actually matters, you better lock in because Steve Gruber will. Welcome to the show, my friend. Good to have the chance to be here. Really appreciate it, Kelly. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. I'm going to start with something real fun. What's the biggest lie being pushed in mainstream media right now? The both sides lie when it comes to violence. In the wake, look, I was in the...
• 3:32
  I was there in Phoenix along with Ivy, my wife, for the memorial service for Charlie Kirk. And the biggest lie being pushed is that this is a both sides issue. It's not. You know, you look back to the baseball game where Steve Scalise was shot, almost killed. Many others would have been gunned down except for Steve Scalise's security team. You look at the attempts to kill President Trump, I mean, let's be honest, a half an inch.
• 3:58
  And either way, he'd have been dead in Butler, Pennsylvania. A second attempt on his life. Charlie Kirk gunned down debating college kids by what appears to be a far left radical, transgender motivated killer. This idea that it's both sides. No, we look. How did the left react when a career criminal died in police custody in Minneapolis in 2020? They burned down Minneapolis and a whole host of other cities around the country. Forty people died.
• 4:25
  Billions of dollars in damage. What did the right do? They gathered 100,000 people in one room and had another 100,000 outside to celebrate the word of Christ. We're not the same. The biggest lie being perpetual is to both sides issue. No, it's not. Stop it. When you paint people, I'm not a Nazi. I'm a neighbor.
• 4:44
  I'm not a fascist. I'm a father. Right. And I'm sick of these labels and I won't have it anymore. I won't stop calling us names. Stop smearing us with grotesque monikers that are flat out faults. We're Americans. We're not Antifa members. We're Americans. And that's the way that is. I say all the time, united we stand, divided we fall, together we rise. Doesn't it seem like
• 5:08
  Whatever is going on in this, they just I call like the Walmart approach. Walmart goes to these rural towns and works its way out. It feels like whoever this deep state is or whatever is doing this just wants to keep us at each other's throats. What's your take on that, Steve? Well, I think there's a lot of truth to that. And in fact, if you go to social media.
• 5:31
  You'll see all sorts of things, you know, being said and smear jobs and drive by insults. But a lot of it's not from real accounts. It's from bots. And make no mistake, those bots are driven by the CCP, bought and paid for some by the Russians. But the vast majority of the money comes from China. There's no question about that.
• 5:49
  You can trace that back. And so they're not even real people that are attacking me or insulting me some of the time. And I get, look, I'll fire back sometimes. I'll fire back when I know who the person is or I have a pretty good idea that it's real. But there's this intentional...
• 6:04
  division being created in America. Look, it starts with teaching, you know, kids in school, in college, that America is a terrible place. So you teach these people over and over and over, America is a terrible place, as if America is the stain on the world. If we're so bad, why does everybody want to come here? People vote with their feet. I mean, let's just be honest. People come here because they want to be here.
• 6:25
  because we have better opportunities here. And God bless them. I want them here. I want people, I want them to go through the process properly so that they get background checks or whatever, whatnot. But I want them here. I have nothing bad to say about somebody who wants a job, wants to work hard, wants to raise their family, wants to go to church on Sunday. I support all of those things, right? I do. I just want to make sure that we do a little background check before they get bounced to the front of the line or just kind of running across the border. I don't want that.
• 6:53
  I want accountability at the border. I think most people do. Look, when you look at the Republican lead on crime in America today, 22 points according to Chicken Noodle News. Yeah, CNN, Chicken Noodle News, 22-point lead according to Harry Enten yesterday, right?
• 7:07
  On crime, we have a, so that's on crime. On the immigration question, we have a 13-point lead due to the people on the red team, and two or three points when it comes to the economy. Actually, it was seven points when it comes to the economy, going from memory here. But the fact of the matter is, if those guys are telling you that you're ahead by 22, 13, and seven, you're probably ahead by more when it comes to those critical questions. And so the Democrats can sit there and hate Trump, and they do.
• 7:31
  or disagree with Trump, which I understand. I disagree with Trump on some things, I get it. But if you think just hating on Trump is gonna win you an election, no. You actually have to weigh in and have a plan and a path forward, which they've done none of that, frankly. I like to highlight a problem and then give possible solutions. I grew up very, very poor. I grew up off of 8 Mile and didn't have any advantages and bite, scratch, clawed, and fought my way through adversity, through
• 8:00
  Drinking drugs and and made myself somewhat of a success success on paper But now I'm I've turned it around with this harder than life and be success in my heart I believe where you were gonna go and I was like yes was that We need to teach our children emotional intelligence and understand that
• 8:21
  There are always two sides to every story. So on election night, I did this weird thing where I flipped between CNN, chicken noodle noodle. That's great. By the way, it's the first time I've ever heard that. CNN and Fox and at the time, OAN. I just wanted to hear everybody's. I've read Gretchen Whitmer's book. I just get both sides because I want to know how everybody thinks. What is your Steve Gruber answer to how do we fix this thing?
• 8:46
  Look, first of all, well, the way you fix it is through discussion. Yes. But that's the problem here today, because when somebody starts to have discussions and is persuasive and wins the argument, apparently shooting him down in public is an appropriate way to go. I mean, look, what is Charlie Kirk guilty of?
• 9:05
  I mean, they call him racist. They call him misogynist. They call him a lot of things that are simply not true. And if you actually listen to what he had to say about different things, no, he wasn't against black airline pilots. No, he wasn't against women. And it's just it's garbage. Listen to what he actually said. He had logically based arguments and he was winning the discussion. He wanted more conversations. And he would take anybody as he should. And so will I, by the way.
• 9:30
  I'll take anybody here that wants to discuss things. I don't have the encyclopedic mind that Charlie did on some topics, but I'm pretty good and can hold my own. I have no issue sitting here and going through the Constitution and going through the Bible. I can't do chapter and verse and tell you who wrote every book like Charlie could, which was a remarkable thing.
• 9:47
  But I can tell you my experiences. And the fact is that he was winning the argument on college campuses. He went right to the battlefield of ideas, which is what colleges are supposed to be, by the way. Colleges are supposed to be battlefields of ideas. That's what's supposed to happen on the university campus. People, you know, vigorously go back and forth. I agree. I disagree. You're an idiot. No, you're an idiot. Here's why. Lay it out. Boom. And they would attack him for this and smear him for this and ultimately lit the fuse on an execution. Yeah.
• 10:17
  I mean, how could you not think that knowing what you know now about the shooter? And yes, I believe he was the shooter now. Having said that, I see all these conspiracy theory type things. Look, I don't know who may have helped him. But I certainly believe he was able to pull the shot. Look, people are on the Internet. I don't know how much you know about ballistics, Kelly, but they're on the Internet. Oh, what an average person couldn't make that shot. He had to be highly well trained in this. Stop it.
• 10:46
  It's a hunting rifle, a bolt-action hunting rifle, granted from World War I, but it's still a bolt-action .30-06, which means it has a muzzle velocity about 2,700 feet per second. It has a scope. I actually believe that he missed his shot. I actually believe his intention was to shoot Charlie...
• 11:02
  here in the face that's what i think but if the if the rifle's sighted in for 100 yards which would be a natural thing to do and it was his grandfather's rifle from what i understand the natural thing to do would be sight that rifle in at 100 yards here's the problem with the most common round for that uh rifle is 150 grain bullet at 200 yards that bullet drops eight inches get out of measuring tape it also probably has a lousy trigger pull which means you pulled it to the right
• 11:28
  So you're down eight inches, and to the right where you hit, you hit right where he hit. And unfortunately, he missed the shot that he wanted, but he chopped the carotid artery in half. And Charlie, look, Charlie Kirk did not suffer. And no, the bullet didn't actually be like, oh, that's impossible, is it? No, it's not impossible. I hunted professionally, and look, I hate to compare these two things, but it's my field of knowledge.
• 11:53
  I hunted all over the world for 25 years and for many years privately before that. I've seen a thousand different things happen. And the angle is never the same. If you're a deer hunter, the angle is never the same. The math is never the same. Sometimes the bullet comes out. Sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes it doesn't seem to make sense. But I can tell you this. The shooter was elevated.
• 12:09
  60 feet, whatever he was up on that rooftop from where Charlie was shooting downhill. Right. So he pulls his shot. The bullet falls and he pulls his shot to the right because an old World War I rifle with a lousy trigger pull. But if it's coming down this way and it hits roughly here, well, you're going to hit the clavicle. You're going to hit bone. You're going to hit the spine. To me, it looks like he hit Charlie's spine when I saw the video, which I can never unsee. Yeah.
• 12:32
  And I don't mean to be so graphic about it, but the fact that matters, the math matters, the science matters. And in order for there to be some sort of conspiracy, what, Erica Kirk was involved? The doctors were involved? Come on. The bullet's still in there. Sometimes bullets, they say, well, it's right under the skin. How is that possible? You know, I found a number of bullets right under the skin of deer.
• 12:53
  Over the years, sometimes they lose energy because they've hit this and that. And that's the way it is. Charlie Kirk did not suffer. But some people don't know what they're talking about. I just want to set the record straight. I believe the shot came from that rifle from that shooter. Now, do I think that he acted alone? I'm not sure about that. Too many questionable things online looking like they were, you know, leading up to it, saying, oh, something big is coming. You'll know when it happens. And then right after the fact saying we did it.
• 13:18
  From some other social media accounts. I mean, that tends to lead me down a road of, wait a second, was this kid acting alone? This this this killer? I don't think so. And there's some fairly credible reporting saying I can't tell you the whole truth because they will go after my family. Who is they? Yeah. And it's not. Are you speaking of Candace Owens? Are you speaking of Candace? No, no, no.
• 13:41
  No, no, no. I don't pay much attention to her. Chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox, onabotulinum toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. It prevents, on average, 8 to 9 headache days a month versus 6 to 7 for placebo.
• 14:01
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• 14:26
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• 14:37
  Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. All right, I got two questions. Guys, audience, we're not gonna talk all about this. I wanna highlight Steve. He's an actual gem and a brilliant man. Two more questions about this. I have a comment. My comment is this, is how we facilitate discussions is we, this is a seagullism by the way. What I suggest is we find out where we do agree.
• 15:06
  And what we agree is a 31-year-old man was shot, and this is the third time in a year that somebody has, there's been an attempted assassination or an assassination. Why? So my question is, let's talk about this. Do we condone violence in this world? Do we think that people need to be shot when we don't agree with them? Whether it's Martin Luther King or Charlie Kirk.
• 15:33
  Neither deserve to die. I think we can all agree on that. I also would tell you that there is a loud minority on social media and all over. And there's a lot of people that have been irrelevant in their life. And if they just say something controversial to a Steve Gruber, they can matter for five minutes.
• 15:54
  We have to, as emotionally intelligent humans that are highly educated, be able to decipher this garbage. So I say to everybody listening, find where we agree and work our way out there. I think we can all agree. Nobody needs to die over their opinions or even facts. I'm just anti-
• 16:18
  Death. I'm anti-violence. I'm going to let the law enforcement do its job. I'm going to let Cash Patel and his team do their job. Yeah, and you mentioned Candace. I don't pay much attention to her, but I see that she's basically now accusing Cash Patel and Dan Bongino of a cover-up or some conspiracy. Stop it. I think it's possible there were some people in Tyler Robinson's circle that were involved there. Now, if I'm wrong, I'll come back and say...
• 16:45
  Here are the three hardest things for people to say. Yes. I was wrong. I don't mind saying if I'm wrong, I'll tell you I'm wrong. I don't believe that. I don't buy into that theory yet. I have no evidence of that. There's nothing to back that up. All I see is a statement that has not been officially corroborated.
• 17:01
  where Tyler Robinson says, I can't tell you the whole story. They'll come after my family. I'm paraphrasing a bit of what comes off the Internet. Now, having said that, who are they? Don't know. Maybe they're his friends. Maybe they're his roommate and lover, the transgender fella. I don't know. But let the investigation pour forward. We know that there were like 10,000 or more tips that came in.
• 17:23
  during that 33-hour period, and probably more since then, obviously, as to where he was, who he was, where it's going. So I'll wait to see. Well, I wanted a new FBI director. Would I trust Christopher Wray? No.
• 17:37
  Would I trust James Comey? No. They've proven to be untrustworthy for a variety of reasons and for things that they pulled, stunts that they pulled. So we'll wait. We all wanted to believe, we being people on this side, that Kash Patel was the right pick, so let him do his job. Yeah. That's where I'm with that. Let Kash Patel do his job, and then we can decide. But having bits of information here or speculation here, look, when you don't have enough information in the void, people fill it.
• 18:07
  Yes. And sometimes, or maybe most times, it's not accurate. And they always fill it with negativity. Having said that, let's switch to you, buddy. All right. What's the story or moment that made you realize, I can't stay silent anymore? You know, it probably happened about fifth grade, if you don't know the truth.
• 18:25
  You tell little Steve in fifth grade. Well, you know, look, my dad worked for Dow Chemicals, a pharmaceutical rep. My mother was a school teacher, taught English. So he taught me science. She taught me words. And those things kind of came together. But I was so I graduated high school when I was 17. I'm sitting at the local community college here later that year. I'm studying with some guy who I don't remember because it's been so long.
• 18:46
  And I'm listening to the college radio station, and I hear some guy who can't, not only can you not put a sentence together, he can't put two words together. I make some comment to the guy across from me, he goes, yeah, like you could do any better. And I thought to myself, you know...
• 18:57
  I believe I could. Anyway, I went and got a job in the college radio station. Then I got a job here at the local FM station for a while. Then I moved out west of Montana to go to college. I ended up going to a radio station there that I drove by every day, pulled in, got a job the next day, started doing news every day, every day, every day, and really became immersed in it. Yellowstone National Park caught fire while I was in Bozeman. So I was covering this massive national story every day. We had other national stories happen.
• 19:27
  Canada that I had met running for president. It became one thing led to the other, and I just became fueled by it. And then at some point about the year 2000, I left. I was done. I had checked out of the news business. I went fishing for the next 25 years all over the world, making hunting and fishing programs. But a few years ago, I got a call from Cumulus to say, hey, we'd like you to do this radio program. And I said, you guys are out of your minds.
• 19:50
  Anyhow, I took the job. Glad I did. I left the hunting and fishing programs behind and moved into this area. Now I have a hard pass to the White House. I've had the opportunity to be in the Oval Office interviewing the president. I've had the opportunity to be on Air Force One. I've had some great opportunities to talk to powerful people
• 20:06
  In a very impactful time. I mean, it is a it's exhausting because the news headlines move so fast, so fast, so fast. You know, it used to be you get one big story and it would last for two or three days. Now you get a big story might last for 10 minutes because the next big story is coming down the line. I mean, the news cycle is so intense. And I think that's part of it.
• 20:27
  I think part of that's by design, Kelly, I do. Keep us exhausted, keep us off balance, keep us, you know, distraction, distraction, distraction. It's like the magician, look at this hand, don't look at this hand. I mean, I think there's some things, something to that, actually. Oh, definitely, and it is the dopamine hit that we require.
• 20:47
  Every minute. I mean, I saw something about how many times somebody picks up their iPhone. And you can actually look and see what that is. And it's scary. I think one day I looked at it, I picked mine up 115 times. I'm like. Well, you said something here earlier. I want to circle back to this. And we were talking about bots earlier and how they get involved. And I think that they distort.
• 21:09
  The impression through the algorithm that's designed just for me. We've all got our own personal algorithm because it's been designed to feed whatever it is that we're into. And now we've got all this AI stuff. So now you're looking at stuff going, is this even real? You know, I see stories pass away and I go, wait a second. And I'll go, I do use Grok. It's my favorite little quick AI check because it's right there. Hey, is there anything that is this real? Is this not real? For example.
• 21:31
  Today on the program, I'm talking about Tylenol because of the new warnings about Tylenol coming from the White House. And I said somewhere that Tylenol is the leading number one cause of acute liver failure of adults in America. And I'm like, that's not true. It is true, actually.
• 21:47
  It is the number one cause of acute liver failure in America is Tylenol. I didn't know that. I thought it was wrong. But other times I'll see something that looks like, well, that makes sense, but I better check. And there's no proof of that. So what I'm driving at is this AI thing. How much of it is real? How much of what you're seeing in your algorithm is real? How much is made up? How much is just complete garbage? Who's flooding the zone with...
• 22:10
  distractions. I mean, we live in a distracted society. It's the football game. It's the video. It's look for some of you, it's the online porn. It's the gambling that's everywhere. Now it's everything all the time. And I don't think that's healthy. So
• 22:27
  we've tried and we're getting more successful at Ivy and I, my wife, Ivy and I, and that is to get away from it. Yes. Set the phone down. Set a Sunday dinner for the kids. We have a rule when we have dinner together, phones are not allowed. And even if that's for 30 or 40 minutes, God bless it. We'll take it, right? Take your shoes off. Walk on the grass. Go fishing. You know, you can do a lot of things with AI. Either I catch the fish or don't. That's real to me.
• 22:53
  I mean, that's real. And so making sure that we're still connected to the natural world, to me, is really, really important. So many nuggets in there, Steve. I don't even know where to start. I would tell you a couple of things. I do the grounding where I walk around with my shoes. Absolutely. It's just absolutely necessary. I did something new this year is between Christmas and New Year's. Actually, I landed in Florida, my Florida house.
• 23:17
  the Friday before Christmas. I put my phone, I shut my phone off, I put it in my end table, and I didn't pick it up till New Year's Day. It was 11 days without a phone. Took three days for me to get rid of the separation anxiety.
• 23:34
  After three days, I never wanted the phone back. And I had to figure out, like, how do you get your streaming services? How do I get in the gym? Because everything is connected on this. But I said, I loved it so much that now it's a new thing. But I'm only going to do seven days. I'm going to do Christmas to New Year's every single year, a phone vacation. Guys, you heard it here first. A freaking phone vacation. You will thank me later. And then go outside and talk to your freaking family. We do the same thing, Steve, at our house. Talk to the neighbor. Talk to the neighbor.
• 24:02
  At dinner. Talk to the guy across the street. You know, Ivy says, she says, I need to be socialized because we're in the studio so much. Right. And she's not wrong about that. So she has to take me out sometimes on a leash just to make sure I don't make sure I behave. I've heard some of the guests that you're showed or some of the people listen. Holy cow. I was like, but let's talk a little bit about AI just for a second, because that's my specialty. And I will tell you, if something is free, you are the product.
• 24:32
  Because social media is free because they're trying to sell something to you. They're watching your habits so they can market to you. So their whole point is to keep you on that platform. Let me tell you something frightening. We just had this conversation with these folks that have this new product called the UpPhone, right?
• 24:51
  This phone, I don't know who you have. It doesn't matter if it's Apple or whoever. It doesn't matter. They did a study of this where they looked at it for a short period of time. And how many bundles of information about me were sold every day? Tens of thousands of times. A day. A day. Most of it coming out at midnight, 1, 2 in the morning when I'm asleep. My information is being bought and sold, bought and sold, bought and sold. I'm not the product. I'm not the product.
• 25:18
  My information is the product. Yeah. Everything I do is the product. Remember Minority Report when Tom Cruise goes running into the Gap or whatever store it was, and they're like, welcome back. How did you like those pants you bought? I'm like, whoa. At the time, I'm thinking, that's freaky. Well, that's real. That's real now. You walk into a store. Hey, how did you like those pants? Some computer's talking to you. So if your phone is telling you all that information, boy, is that frightening, right? Every day. Is it really frightening, though, Steve? Do you care? Are you doing anything wrong? Do you really care?
• 25:48
  Well, it's not a matter of doing anything wrong. It's a matter of, it's my computer here on my desk. It's my phone. It's my Chevy truck. Credit cards. It's your car. Well, it's the Samsung TV that has a camera in it. This has a camera in it. This has a camera. This has a microphone in it. You know, coming in 2026, the hand of God now controls your vehicle. A lot of people miss this. Joe Biden signed a law, or the Autopend did, during the previous administration. The Autopend signed a law.
• 26:18
  that every vehicle, 2026 model year going forward, the government can now have a remote kill switch from space. They can stop your car from space, and it's required that it's there. The hand of God for every model year after 2026, there it is. So the government, if you're driving on the road, they don't like what you're doing, boom, they'll stop you.
• 26:36
  whatever, you know, and there are also things in the car. So if you swerve once or twice, the car will pull over and shut you down. So if you're a single mom on the way to school and you swerved amidst a squirrel,
• 26:48
  And then your kids scream and you look back and you move the wheel a little bit. It might stop your car in the middle of a bad neighborhood. I mean, government overreach is real. And so when they start, you know, monitoring everything we do. Yeah, I don't have anything to hide, but do I think it's good? No, I think it's very unhealthy. I think it's awful. Awful. Well, I don't want to get you started on the Patriot Act then. Let's talk about.
• 27:07
  I don't like that at all. That was a horrible thing that they ran down our throats. Anyhow, go ahead. Yeah. Let me throw a radical idea that I came up with. And I actually kind of like it, but it's so – it would never be passed. So in that same vein that the government can – and by the way, your dry humor is hilarious.
• 27:26
  Click some little one-liners in that I catch after the fact and start laughing like the auto-ped. Thank you. You have a new fan in me, and I enjoy it. I hope my listeners enjoy you as much as I do. We're going to have to have dinner and –
• 27:41
  We would talk for hours. Having said that, and I'm not saying this is good, but I'd like to play with this idea. I believe that with AI, that we can put a chip, just a little magnetic chip in every single gun, and we can triangulate it with your cell phone, with your car, and whenever it goes near a school, we can just do a quick AI algorithm and say, is this Kelly Siegel's normal route?
• 28:07
  And is he supposed to be here near this school? Now, it's not very hard to do an algorithm where you see if there's three guns in one area and triangulate to their phone and say, Hmm, we never see Kelly Siegel have all of his guns in his car and go to the local high school. We should probably stop his car or pull him over. And my only goal here with this,
• 28:33
  pontificating this is to save children's lives. It's not gun control. It's just to save. You're in Michigan. I don't want to ever wake up to another Oxford shooting. It's horrific. I get that. What is your thought process on that? I think that that's a violation of the Second Amendment, clear and simple. But...
• 28:51
  I do think there are ways that AI can stop the shootings. Yes. AI now has scan. There are AI programs now that if you just walk by it, it can scan you. It can identify people that are carrying weapons. So why would you not have that available to every school? Every school, private, public, doesn't matter in America. 23,000 public high schools in America, everyone should have it. Why wouldn't you? Secondly, you've got special resource officers. Why does every school in America not have one?
• 29:19
  If you paid them all, you know, the rate of 60 to 100,000, maybe you hire retired law enforcement or retired military that pass background checks and so forth. Every school in America should have it. You know where you've never seen mass shootings? Detroit public schools. You know why? They've got their own police department. Nobody is going to pull a public shooting at a Detroit school. You bring that to mind or Cleveland or Miami or anywhere else for that matter. Secondly, according to John Lotter, good friend,
• 29:44
  There are a number of schools in America now that allow faculty and staff to carry concealed. Right. There's never been a single shooting at any of those schools. Not not one, not a mass shooting, not a single shooting. And let's be very clear about that, because at Columbine back in 1989, there was a special resource officer or two that day. But they knew who they were because they were uniformed officers. So once you neutralize that or know where they are, then you can pull out this this heinous attack. If you don't know who's carrying, you don't know if it's the janitor.
• 30:13
  or the math teacher, or the home ec teacher, well, that creates a whole bunch of problems for a would-be killer, or killers, as it were. So I think there are solutions. I think AI is part of the solution. I think that you have monitoring systems that can identify people that are carrying, because these scans, I mean, you look at what's happening in the airports now. It's highly sophisticated. It's highly sophisticated.
• 30:33
  it's easy to identify when you have something that's not supposed to be there. And you can do it without being intrusive. Yep. So you just, kids go on about their day. As far as the other thing goes, people would say that's, you can't do that because the gun shops, you know, down past the school, and I had me, you know, going to the gun shop. I had three guns. I needed some stuff done. Boom, you get pulled over. People never go for it, ever.
• 30:55
  There are specific steps I believe you can take to make schools safer every day. And the Democrats, by the way, oppose it. Well, you don't want armed guards in schools. Sure I do. I don't know. Does it bother me to see armed guards at the airport? No. Does it bother me when I went to Paris to see armed guards in groups of three, you know, black booted, you know, AR-15 three-man teams walking around the Eiffel Tower? Didn't bother me at all. Made me feel good about things.
• 31:18
  I was just in D.C. again. Does it bother me to see the National Guard there? Not at all. In fact, there's only been eight murders since the 11th of August. Think about that. Eight murders since the 11th of August in Washington, D.C. Unheard of. More law enforcement. It goes both ways. Yes. You know, because there's people on the right that do the same thing. Oh, if it comes from them, I'm not going to look at it.
• 31:39
  You know, let me give you a real easy example from going the other way. When Trump made the vaccines available, I've never taken Trump's vaccine. As soon as Biden came in, oh, I'll take my vaccine. It's the same vaccine. It's just silly. I mean, so you have this mentality and that is a both sides issue to me.
• 31:58
  Well, because I've got people that on the right that, well, if the left says, look, I don't think there's as many valid ideas on that side as there are on this side. However, there are some valid ideas. And let's go back to what we talked about. Charlie Crick, have conversations. You don't have to agree. Fight a little, like you said, a little sliver of agreement. Let's see if we can build on that. There's got to be some consensus in here somewhere, right? Well, I can give you the easiest answer. We talk about AI and we'll pick on.
• 32:27
  Oxford again, the kid said something on social media that he was going to do it the next day. So, I mean, if we say something about Joe Biden or President Trump, then the FBI is knocking on your door. But the kid says, I'm going to school tomorrow and shoot it. And then we do nothing. So there's some.
• 32:42
  I think I would play a critical role there. And the same thing for the shooter here, Charlie Kirk, potentially. Maybe there were maybe there were, you know, breadcrumbs out there that would have led to them saying, wait, stop, because I've just seen a couple of things past the wire here in the last few days where mass shootings were stopped by the FBI. They say, of course, you never see that story for more than five minutes because the mass shooting never actually happened. So that's all. Yeah. Like, that's great. And they move right on.
• 33:08
  Now, the mass shooting or the killing of Charlie Kirkman, they stop right there and they spend all this time here or these school shootings, as they should spend time there trying to figure out how it happened. But I think you're right.
• 33:18
  I think that AI can diagnose and find things quickly and to a point of enough certainty that you shouldn't go knock on somebody's door. You know, you're not going to have 100 percent certainty. But if you get to 90 percent certainty that, hey, this kid that's going to Oxford, this monster is going to kill children at the school. Well, then you go stop that from happening or you investigate it completely. Right. Same thing. I think that can be done.
• 33:40
  I think that's a great place for AI. It makes complete sense to me. And why we wouldn't use it that way, I don't know. We should. Because for every great technology, we've come farther in the last five years. We haven't 500, I think, in many ways. But for every great technology, there's a light and there's a dark. The light side, of course, is...
• 34:02
  trying to stop violence in schools, the dark side, bots coming out and trying to divide us. I mean, those are two pretty easy examples of how the technology can be used. Bruce Catton,
• 34:13
  was a Pulitzer Prize winning writer who wrote about the Civil War. He grew up in part in Boynton City, Michigan. And I've read about him. And he said every invention of man will be taken to its ultimate finality, to the point that it's completely exhausted and you can't go any farther. Like take the car, for example, from where it started in 1900-ish to where we are today.
• 34:34
  To the fact that you have self-driving cars, you just get in a table. You'll take technology to the nth degree. And I think that'll continue with AI, which could be good. Maybe it identifies, you know, who's going to be a school shooter. Maybe it identifies disease, illness, cancer, and can stop those things in people, right? That'd be a great thing. And the problem is it'll also be used for war. Yeah, that's the law of polarity. The light and the dark.
• 34:59
  Correct. The law of polarity. Listen, the number one tool used in to better this world is the mirror.
• 35:06
  Look into the mirror, people. I'm sorry. I don't disagree with you on that. If I could do what I did and change my life, anybody can. I was the prototypical idiot. And I just got educated and just sucked in information. And I was a sponge. And I continue to be a sponge. I try to read a book a week. I try to listen to different podcasts. I wrote a couple books. I do yoga. I'm just trying to do my part here to be a good human being.
• 35:35
  It does remind me of, and I didn't know this until after he died, but Charlie Kirk wore a red wristband. His red wristband said, work harder, be better. Work for it every day. He gave it away, by the way, to a kid.
• 35:49
  at one of these college campuses a few months ago. Why do you wear that red wristband? What does it say? He says, work harder, be better. And he gave that to that kid. He had worn it for a very long time. And I like that. I think that makes sense to what you're telling me. It makes sense in my life. Work harder, be better every day. Work harder, be better every day. Because the world needs a lot of work right now. I think we agree on that. It doesn't matter where you come from. Doesn't matter what your political persuasion might be. The world needs a lot of work in a variety of areas right now. We've covered some of them here today.
• 36:16
  Have you ever had a moment where telling the truth came at a personal cost? I agree, man. Sure. I think we all have. I mean, I told a boss once that he was incompetent, and we agreed at that point that I didn't need to work there anymore. That surprises me. So where's your stance on Jimmy Fallon? Isn't that your First Amendment rights? Come on now, Steve. Jimmy Kimmel, you mean? That's all right. Kimmel. I love Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:45
  So here's what I think about that. It's a corporate decision, you know, and I had my right of free speech for the boss. I think it wasn't. And I was in I was a news anchor, 611 News Anchor, an NBC affiliate. I said, look, dude, you're incompetent. And he was incompetent.
• 37:00
  Uh, he didn't know the first thing about running a news department or what news he wouldn't have known news if I bit him in the tail. And I basically told him that. And we came to an agreement there at that point that I didn't need to work there anymore. Had I exercised my free speech? Yeah, but free speech has consequences. And Jimmy Kimmel, look, he said things that were very offensive to a lot of people. And so he got sidelined. I'm surprised he's back, to be honest with you, because I know looking at the at the ratings.
• 37:22
  He doesn't even beat the people over on cable news. He has become a very polarizing figure, right? Can you imagine Johnny Carson doing any of these things? No. No, of course not. But so, look, Bill Maher got canceled back, what was it called, politically incorrect or whatever. That was by ABC 20-plus years ago. Tucker got canceled. Roseanne got canceled. When is The View going to get canceled? I'm sorry. You know, again, there's a show that's got how many hosts?
• 37:49
  12 whatever they've got they've got you know 12 people out babbling that's got to cost a fortune there's no way they're making that money back there's no way i literally turn it on just to see like it's like a car crash you gotta look because what's gonna come out of their mouth next that's offensive to everybody including them right including people on their own team well that and i think that that's one of the big takeaways here
• 38:16
  uh in the aftermath and and so i think there is a world um by which a lot of things will be measured by the assassination of charlie kirk because look the first time in my life anything anything like this is well first time that i remember i mean the the assassinations the late 60s i was alive but i was just a little you know little whipper and so when your free speech is punished by that there's something wrong
• 38:41
  I want people to understand something when you're thinking about left versus right, right versus wrong, up versus down. Everybody says we only live once. No, no, no. We only die once.
• 38:53
  We live every day. A shoebox with pictures. There you go. It's under somebody's bed. And we're worried about who's right, who's wrong. Just be a good person. Be good to people. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Where did that all go wrong? But having said that, I love some of your humor. I want to talk about what's the most controversial segment, since we were just talking about The View, what's the most controversial segment that you've ever had, and how did you handle the fallout?
• 39:20
  You know, I don't know if I've ever really had one that is on par with that. I mean, I have guests on that speak their mind. I've had, I did a piece with a teacher who, right after Trump's first election, posted on Facebook that he was not going to allow his fifth grade students to watch the inauguration because Donald Trump was a horrible person. This is back in 2016. Wow. So, so I called the guy.
• 39:45
  He answered. I recorded it. Of course. I'm in a single consent state. I can do that in Michigan, by the way.
• 39:53
  Uh, anyhow, and I spoke to him and I interviewed him. Uh, and finally he's like, wait a second, who are you? Why? I can't talk to you anymore. That's fine. Um, yeah, whoops. Uh, anyhow, I put it out on Facebook. I don't think I put the recording out, but I had recorded it so that I could take good notes and report on it. It went to, it got millions of views. I ended up on Fox news and other places. I mean, I'm on Fox news from time to time anyway, but it was one of those things that just, you know, it was a grass fire with a lot of wind.
• 40:20
  I will admit when I'm wrong. Happens sometimes. I think that's a good trait. I think it's important to admit when you're wrong and not just stick to your talking points, which unfortunately people on both sides of the aisle do every single day. They won't admit when they're wrong or when there's a mistake made or when the other side might have a valid idea.
• 40:37
  It does happen, believe it or not. The other side can't have a valid idea, and it's an important thing to consider. I've never had to do a retraction, per se. In the 15 years I did local news in places like Columbus, Ohio, and elsewhere, I've never had to do a retraction. I made sure my facts were right. I think that's incredibly important.
• 40:55
  I'm a talk host, right? I do commentary. But what I do is based on the facts of the day, and I'm really pretty tight on the facts. It's important to me. Some of these people, good Lord, I think they make stuff up factually as they go every day. And I'm like, how do you live with that?
• 41:11
  I mean, I get it. They're getting clicks. They're bomb throwers. They say incendiary things. That's not my deal. I'm opinionated. I'm strongly opinionated. I didn't notice. Yeah, you picked up on that. But I don't consider myself a bomb thrower. Look, I grew up on a back road in Michigan across from a dairy farm.
• 41:30
  You know, the first time my mother lost me, I'd wander down wearing only a diaper in the snow to see the cows because they needed to be seen. Everything that I have here came to me honestly. I don't have, it's not some shtick, it's not some put on. And I don't think that I've changed particularly. I think the world has changed. I mean, I love this country. I think it's the greatest country in the history of countries by far. And that's why people come here. That's why they came across the border by the millions when the door was left open and nobody cared. That's why they flooded in because they wanted to be here.
• 41:58
  Because America, despite our flaws, yes, we have some flaws. There's no question about that. But we're on the path every day to being better. That's what America is supposed to be. That's what the Constitution allowed us to do, was to create some improvements. Which, by the way, I read something here recently where they said we haven't had an amendment to the Constitution in a number of decades. That's not good. The Constitution was made to be amended, and we should update some things. And maybe that's true.
• 42:23
  Maybe there should be a constitutional convention. Maybe we should get rid of some of the, you know, wild spending and crazy things we do with the taxpayers money. Maybe we should do some things about, you know, privacy, like we talked about here with people looking at you all the time. I don't know whatever might be important to you. I'm learning about you and I'm loving it. But what are tell the audience, what are some of your non-negotiables when it comes to your integrity in journalism? We've talked all about it, but let's be specific.
• 42:46
  I mean, look, it's got to be based in fact. And again, if it comes up that there's a non-factual basis, I try. Look, we all look down the road. We make predictions and so forth. Like I said, and I said it here on social media, I said, Jimmy Kimmel's not coming back. This whole they're taking a timeout or whatever I said, I said, that's code word for the lawyers are working out the exit plan.
• 43:12
  Now, we'll see if he's on tonight. Sinclair and next star. Sinclair for sure is not going to air him tonight on, was it, 43 ABC stations or something, including some big ones. But I think truth is non-negotiable. Freedom of speech is non-negotiable. And look, anybody can come on my show. Anybody. I've had, you know, Gretchen Whitmer's been on my program. Not in a while. Alyssa Slotkin, not in a while. But they're welcome any time. And I will be respectful. I will be respectful.
• 43:36
  They know that, but I'm going to ask them real questions. Yeah. And they know that too. I'm going to ask them real questions about what's going on, but non-negotiable points are truth. That's a fact that we, the truth matters. And there's too many people that are just reckless with the facts every day. And like I said, some of these folks, or maybe they're bots or a combination there, just make stuff up. They just make stuff up and they don't care. And they're, they're oblivious to it. And then, and I think honestly, honestly,
• 44:06
  When Jimmy Kimmel tried to paint the killer one way and it was clear that that was not the situation, that that's where he got jammed up for a few days. I don't know how I don't know where the fallout goes from there. We'll see. People are thinking that he's going to have a massive audience. I don't think so. I don't think his audience changes. I mean, he might have some extra support for a day or two.
• 44:24
  But then I think that fades. I mean, the show has been there for how long has he been there? 15 years? Long time, right? It's a long time. I saw something on social media. It's a funny meme. And you'll get a kick out of it. It said something like the people that are celebrating him back on air are celebrating with an extra vax boost. Yeah.
• 44:41
  So bad. I'm sorry. Lord, I apologize for that. So let's talk. The shot 27. Let's keep paying this forward. What advice do you have for young journalists who want to tell the truth? Do that. Tell the truth. Don't be swayed. Don't be manipulated. Don't be pushed to narrate. So I had a conversation with a guy and I won't name the station in Detroit. Radio station in Detroit a couple of years ago, Kelly.
• 45:10
  And he had quit a job and he was getting paid pretty well, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year. And I thought to being a radio announcer for a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, this might have been five years ago. I'm pretty good gig for something. Well, that's all you do. Right. And I said, well, why would you quit? He said, well, they were telling us to say things that I knew weren't true. Mm hmm.
• 45:28
  I said, really? He goes, they were giving, they were handing us stuff. You have to say this. He's like, that's not true. I'm not going. And some of it had to do with the pandemic and some of it had to do with politics. And so I think integrity matters. I mean, look, in the new media world, the consumers are looking for people they can trust.
• 45:49
  And maybe it's a polarity thing, like you mentioned, but maybe it's not. But they're looking for people that they can trust. So integrity matters because really at the end of the day, you talk about when you die, what do you have? What do people look back at? Do they remember your car?
• 46:01
  No. Do they remember your house? Probably not. But they remember your integrity. Does that person have integrity? Did they tell the truth? Did they follow through? Did they work hard? The qualities that make you memorable will stick out. And, of course, your kids are a testament to, in large part, not always.
• 46:19
  But a large part of who you were and what you did and how you presented yourself to the world, they're usually somewhat of a reflection of that. So I think that integrity matters. It does. And telling the truth matters. It does. So even when I get into commentary, I mean, I'll dig and I'll look and I'll.
• 46:36
  I mean, I mean, you know, as I go into research, I go read things today, I read it differently because I've got AI and I can find answers quicker and more efficiently. So I can cover a lot more ground. Maybe that's good. Maybe my synapsic relays are, you know, you know, I think if this journalist thing doesn't work out, you should be a comic.
• 46:57
  Keep in mind, too, I'm a big mindset guy. So keep in mind that the truth is different from your truth. The thoughts are magical lies. What we were taught as children and ingrained into us and we read on social media and it's constantly being reaffirmed.
• 47:16
  not necessarily is the truth. So please look and check this out, people, just because it's on social media. We talked about this on your show, just because on social media does not mean it's true. It means that someone is trying to propagate. That's the definition of propaganda. So I want to, I want to get a little bit more about you because I'm fascinated by you. What's the most powerful interview you've ever done and why was it? Why did it feel powerful to you?
• 47:41
  That's interesting. I've had some interesting interviews in my life. One of them, one of them that strikes me when you say that to me, I have to go all the way back to the 1980s, maybe 89. There was this cult leader.
• 47:56
  She's dead now. Her name was Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Of course it was. Elizabeth Clare Prophet. She ran this thing that I think still exists out in Western Montana called the Church Universal and Triumphant. And it sticks in my mind because she was the only person that ever really threw me. I mean, totally threw me in an interview.
• 48:13
  Because she had a cold, dead stare. And she was unnerving. And I was young at the time. I was in my 20s. And I couldn't tell you the sum of the interview. But we did these interviews because they were a controversial organization. Church Universal and Triumph, but they called them Cut. I think they're still there. And they're in the Paradise Valley between Livingston and Yellowstone National Park.
• 48:36
  I did this interview with her, and at the time, they're building these communities that every house had a bomb shelter. So not long after that, I get a call because I'm at home. I get a call, hey, they're all going in the ground. I'm like, who's going in the ground?
• 48:54
  the cult are all going in. And we thought, well, this is going to be a Jim Jones thing, right? Because she was so spooky and a lot of different adjectives, but spooky and cold were, were words that just, you know, set me in. Anyhow, they all went to the ground. They disappeared for three days and the sheriff's brother trying to figure out what to do. It was a big crisis. Like it was, uh, uh, George W. Bush was in office and it was a big crisis. I was being covered on the national news pretty extensively for three, four, then they all came out.
• 49:21
  They went back to whatever their jobs were, but she was an interviewer. And it's always struck me as she's the only person ever just totally had me, you know, not focused, just had me, I was just off because she was so,
• 49:36
  unusual that that's spooky you said it all i could tell it uh it was like that throws me off too when i and i feel an inauthenticity or it felt evil yeah evil that's the word if somebody has malicious intent
• 49:52
  I because I don't I always assume positive intent and always lead with positive intent. So we're talking about a lot of mental and emotional stuff. I want to understand how do you you talk a little bit about it. Fishing grounding. How do you personally say mentally and emotionally grounded in all this chaos? I have a fabulous wife.
• 50:13
  Oh, you've talked about her many times. Why don't you spend a minute and tell me about her? Ivy. You know, she did something here on the show the other day. She took a moment and told me how she's on the program with me just about every day and took a moment to say how wonderful she thought I was. It really struck me. I thought it was spectacular. Did you receive it all?
• 50:30
  I did. I received it all. It was spectacular. And I told her later, I thanked her for it later a couple of times because I thought it was remarkable. I met her 12 or 13 years ago. She seamlessly came into my life at a time that my life really seemed to be off track, dead end, if you will. The career was fine, but everything else was chaos. And she came in and became seamless with my two younger children, still is.
• 50:58
  She became my best friend, my work partner, my wife. We're together every day. And, you know, marriage is hard. We have a little sticky moments here and there. But generally, it's pretty smooth. Most people are like, how do you do that? And so I went from a point of being basically adrift to having focus. And she's so grounded in faith. She has the strongest faith.
• 51:21
  The many person I've ever met when it comes to being a Christian, she just has, it's impenetrable. Her faith is solid. It's just 24 hours a day. I wouldn't be here talking to you if not for her, right? Because building blocks came in after that that made it possible to build the company, to bring in the people that are behind the scenes like Sarah and Anthony and all the people that build this thing every day and the news team that I have behind that. But for Ivy, those things wouldn't have happened. Same thing with my family.
• 51:50
  But for Ivy, I wouldn't have a home in Northern Michigan that's spectacular, by the way. And we wouldn't have this business. We wouldn't have this life together. We wouldn't have this. I mean, we still think it's cool to hold hands walking every place we go. You know, it's just what we do. It's a magical relationship to me. It is. And people look and say, I want what you guys have. I mean, people say that to us fairly often. And I get that.
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• 53:35
  Here's here it is. Everything, the good, the bad, everything in between. Here it is. All of it. No secrets. Right. Let me tell you this. If you don't have your wife, your husband's password to their cell phone, you don't have a real relationship. We just, if you don't have the password to your spouse's phone,
• 53:57
  You don't really, she can look at my phone anytime she wants. First of all, about the only one that can operate it for me, which is kind of important. You know, because I, I mean, I tell me she's younger than you. She's just like, geez, anyhow. But we, there were never a secret about anything ever, ever. That's the key. Full honesty, full honesty from the bottom of your heart, right to everything. I don't care what it is. If you're not willing to tell your spouse,
• 54:26
  Everything, the deepest, darkest things that you love and the things that scare you and the things that maybe wander around in the attic of your brain. If you don't have the courage to share that with them, you're not in a real relationship. That's me. I mean, in order to get there, everything.
• 54:43
  It has to be. You want to open your heart up? Open your heart up. Put it all out there. That's beautiful. I have John Gray coming on later this afternoon. Men are for Mars, winter for Venus. I can't wait to share that with him. Two more questions. I got to get you out of here, my friend. All right. If you weren't in journalism, what would you be doing today? Easy question. I'd be a storm chaser.
• 55:03
  Swear to God, I'd be chasing tornadoes across Oklahoma. I would. I swear to God, I'd have one of those giant cars with all the steel and the push rods and the giant metal and ACDC playing at loud volumes as I cruised after tornadoes. That would be who I am. Look, Ivy and I got caught in a tornado coming out of India back to the days of doing the hunting show when I was still doing this radio and podcasting and television for the news, but I still had the hunting show. They overlapped by two or three years there. Yeah.
• 55:32
  I'm sitting in a tree in Indiana and the storm's bad, but we hadn't gotten a deer in a while and we're kind of behind on, you know, it's just getting rough in there. And my uncle who lives in South Carolina sends me a text. Where are you right now? Cause he knew I was going to India. I'm in Indiana. You need to leave. I'm like, why do I need to leave? I look at, pull up the radar. Oh yeah, that doesn't look very good. And about that time that I'm looking at that text message,
• 55:54
  I hear a tree going down, and it's about 60 yards in front of me. It's big. And it makes just a hell of a sound going down in this wood lather. We're sitting in Indiana. It's like, okay, we're going now. So we get in the car, and we're just south of Fort Wayne. We're headed for the Michigan line. And all of a sudden, it just gets wild.
• 56:10
  I mean, there's a stream of debris and dirt and stuff that's about, I don't know, two, three feet deep going across the highway. And it's loud. And we're listening to the radio now and then. And every time that we pass a town, they say, tornado warning. And the town, we're just passing. I said, turn that off. Turn on the ACDC. Let's get through this. And we rocked for about the next 15 minutes, just as loud as it could be. Because I didn't want to hear the tornado. And I wasn't stopping because I couldn't see enough around me. I didn't need to get re-earned by an 18-wheeler.
• 56:38
  And it was a crazy day. Her and I will never forget it. And we went back and looked. Sure enough, we were right. We were in the feeder. You know, tornadoes create their own weather. We were right in there. We were feeding the tornado, all that wind going across the highway and the debris and the stuff hitting the truck as we were going through there was all feeding that tornadoes that went through. It was wild.
• 56:57
  So I'd be a storm chaser. I love it. I'm an adrenaline freak. It must have been Ivy's faith that got you guys through it. And guys, for you to know that aren't from the Midwest is the weather here is so crazy. If you don't like it, wait a minute. It's going to change. And that is wild. So last question. What does the future of free press look like if people don't fight for it?
• 57:17
  Yeah, that's the thing. You know, that's the best question. And it's the most important question. That's what we're going to end with. Yeah, that's when they, the police in places like London, are pounding on the door at three in the morning to arrest people for posts that they made on Facebook. There's something terribly wrong, terribly wrong. And let me just say this.
• 57:41
  For people to say, well, that could never happen in America. And I don't care what you fill in that blank. That could never happen in America. You're a fool. Of course it could happen in America. You had the last administration going in the back door of social media and deleting things because they were given the key. You got this administration asking the FCC to shut down...
• 58:00
  programs. I don't like either one of those things. I don't like either one of those things. I don't want the government going in the back door of social media. I don't want the government shutting down Jimmy Kimball. Jimmy Kimball, let the free market decide who gets to survive, period. Look, if I don't make our money here, we're not here, right? If you don't make your money in your pocket, it's not there. Let the market, the free market's really good at weeding out who's going to be good at anything. And so freedom of speech is the ultimate, I mean, look,
• 58:28
  The first moment of the United States Constitution is the envy of the world. It's right here on my desk every single day. The Constitution, right here on my desk. And it's worn out because people say, well, you know, the Constitution says this now. No, it doesn't. People are so ignorant of the Constitution. It just drives me bonkers. But what's not up for debate is that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble.
• 58:58
  that didn't come from government, by the way, came from God. And that's the most important thing. And I think freedom of speech in the future has to be defended right down the line. And I hope that the people in the UK and France and Germany get freedom of speech at some point. Nobody really has it. They don't have it in Canada. They don't have it in Mexico. We have it. And it is worth defending. It is worth fighting for every step of the way. Free speech, period. That's who I am.
• 59:26
  Wow, I don't know about you, but I couldn't go on another few rounds with Steve because that man came in swinging with the truth, the guts, and the fire today. If you were paying attention, and I hope you were, you just got a master class on how to stand your ground in a world that wants to shut you up. Steve's not just reporting the news. He's exposing the lies, challenging the systems, and doing it all without flinching. That's the kind of courage we need more of in this world.
• 59:56
  This episode wasn't just about media. It was about integrity, grit, and choosing to live by principle no matter what it costs. That's what Steve Gruber embodies, and it's exactly what we stand for here on The 100 in Life Show. If you got value out of this conversation, I know you did. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who's tired of being spoon-fed the bullshit. Okay.
• 1:00:21
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