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Lewis Garnham: Lewis and Clark, Dish Pig and Other Jobs, Adelaide to London & World Tour | Ep. 27 · Rich Fulcher's TalkBox

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  Hi, welcome to Rich Vulture Stock box, the most popular
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  And listen, our guest today is Lewis Garnham.
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  He's AUI. Was going to say UK.
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  He's Australian and he's come over here to live in the UK and
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  destroy the whole area with comedy.
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  So let's check it out, shall we? Right here.
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  I'm Louie Licky. Hi.
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  Ho. Oh, my balls hurt.
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  Oh, hey. Hello, Louis.
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  How are you? Do you go by Lou or Louis?
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  Whatever you prefer. I'm Louie.
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  No, a lot of people call me. Louie.
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  Really. In high school, all my friends
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  called me Louie. That's cool.
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  Were you in sports in high school?
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  I played. I played basketball nice for a
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  long time. You're you're tall enough.
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  I'm tall enough but I I was in an awkward thing where like I
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  got taught. Cheers.
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  Cheers, have a little whiskey there.
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  This is a talk box shot glass. Oh nice, and this is check up as
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  well. That's beautiful, man.
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  No, I didn't mean to interrupt your high school story.
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  I don't. Think that the high school
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  basketball story was that interesting.
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  It was a touching. Am I close enough to the mic?
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  Sounds good. Yeah.
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  Good. Wow.
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  Cool. You sound me.
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  No, you sound good. You've you must get complimented
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  on your voice quite a lot really.
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  Do you reckon? Sometimes some people say I
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  should do voice overs, but I don't see the results of that.
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  Yeah, yeah. So wait, so you're in high
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  school and somebody must have called you Louie.
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  Yeah, a lot of people called me Louie.
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  I think it. Was how did he get started?
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  Once you became familiar with me, so I will always, I think
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  it's you can't introduce yourself by an abbreviation or a
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  nickname, right? If you meet someone for the
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  first time, I'm always going to say Lewis.
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  You can't force. Be like, hey, Louis, Gigi or
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  whatever. You know, even if you have a
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  nickname that. Everyone might be.
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  It's like there's a real arrogance in that.
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  Yeah. So I'd always say I'm Louis, and
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  but then within a few weeks of people knowing me, it'd be
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  Louis. Never my decision.
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  I never pushed it, but so I'm happy for you to call me Louis.
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  That's I was Richard for the longest time.
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  And then all of a sudden, I don't know why or how it came
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  about. I just started calling myself
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  Rich. Rich, that's interesting.
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  Not like, not like a conscious like I want to change.
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  It was no dramatic moment. How?
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  How old were you when that? When?
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  32 No, No, I think I was in my like 10 or so.
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  Yeah, I just started calling myself Rich.
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  Did you know in, in school when I was about sort of six or
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  seven, I decided I, I really hated the name Lewis.
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  And I, I sort of did like this protest where I went into school
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  and I said to all the teachers, I went around to all the
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  teachers and I said, no, I'm James from now on.
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  And I, and I was like, I'll, I'll be really annoyed if you
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  call me Lewis. And for a week they called me
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  James, and I wrote James on all my like worksheets at school.
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  And then I think I just got sick of it and went back to Lewis.
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  That's a great made for TV movie.
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  For a week they called me James, but maybe it was because of
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  Lewis and Clark. Maybe you didn't like them or
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  something. Yeah.
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  Do you know who they were? No, not really.
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  Oh, OK. But like, that's one of those
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  ones where like, I should know who they are.
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  Who are they? Are the only explorers in the.
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  But I bet they were good at comedy when they were exploring.
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  Yes, but this is funny you should say this, because Lewis
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  and Clark were the explorers that Thomas Jefferson hired
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  because they bought all this stuff from France, like all the
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  way out to the Pacific, but nobody had ever been there.
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  So they hired Lewis and Clark to go out, and that's where they
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  met Sakajiwe. You know, all that stuff.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm not too good on my American.
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  History to be. Honest, I don't really know.
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  So did then did they move across America?
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  Yeah, but in this Neil Simon play, was it Neil Simon?
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  It was called the Sunshine Boys, these two old vaudeville guys
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  named Lewis and Clark, I think. Yeah, they were like a comedy
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  team, Right, Right, right. So it is a comedy thing as.
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  Well, in a way, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So my instincts were right. Yeah.
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  I think I liked Louis because one of my friend's dad's, he
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  would always call me. You know that song that goes
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  out? Nobody knows the words.
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  Yeah, it just sort of like grumbles.
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  Yeah. And he would sort of, he'd
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  always say that to me when I saw him and I like that, sort of had
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  a Jingle with it. Yeah.
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  What was your sort of status like in high school?
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  Were you? Did you have a gang?
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  I mean, not like a gang like I think, but you know, like you
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  hung out with some dudes. Hung out big big group, big
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  school. Really like huge school when?
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  You say huge like 1000. 2000 yeah, that's big, right?
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  That's big, yeah. Like a fucking jungle.
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  I think a lot of school I don't. Know where in Australia was
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  this? Was in Adelaide do.
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  You know what I mean City, right?
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  I know Adelaide. I did the first there a couple
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  years, yeah. Right.
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  I mean, it's, it's great during that time of year.
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  Oh yeah, you're saying it gets dark?
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  I think everyone has a negative perception of where they're
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  from, or not everyone but a lot of people.
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  But Adelaide is quite. Sea is for Adelaide.
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  Sea is from Adelaide. Oh, you've got a lot of good
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  Adelaide knowledge, I don't think.
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  Many. I met CEO when she's out there.
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  Did is Sia? Does Sia always wear a mask?
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  No. No, I met her when she was doing
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  her band out there. Oh, true.
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  She was kind of very bluesy, jazzy type.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I wrote on the back of her
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  moped once and fell off. And then I have an article
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  somewhere I can't find it anymore.
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  It says local comedian falls off of moped or something.
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  So did she? Was she like Rich?
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  Do you want to come on my moped? Yeah.
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  And then when you say you fell off.
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  I don't know, I think it was more like can I get on your
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  moped? No, no, this is all going to go
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  wrong. And was she on there with you or
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  were you just? She was driving.
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  She was driving, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And then the two of you just so. So was it her fault or was it
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  were you that sort? Of oh, that's a good question.
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  Yeah, I. Should really give it to her.
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  You should, yeah. Yeah.
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  I, I, I don't think so. I just think maybe my
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  distribution, the weight distribution I've got all wrong.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I mean, there's some,
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  there's some windy roads in Adelaide.
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  I was in a car crash in Adelaide once.
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  There's some, you know, There's some.
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  Lots, lots. Of you know what's cool about
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  Adelaide is. I just I when I did that and
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  said windy, this is so this is this is lame.
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  I don't want to be like starstruck in this podcast, but
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  as I said, windy the. Windy mover the.
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  The windy from the Bush, right? Yeah, The windy, man.
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  What is it? The long windy.
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  Mover, long, windy mover, is the snake, yeah.
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  Did you? Can we?
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  Sorry, I wonder actually before I ask this question, do you?
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  And we can always cut this. Yeah, Let's cut the whole
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  episode, Kenny. Is is the Mighty Boosh one of
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  those things? Where do you get sick of talking
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  about it because it was such a long time?
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  I don't people still bring it up.
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  Is it one of? Those no, to be honest, a lot of
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  people don't bring it up. Right.
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  Well, I'm bringing it. Up.
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  So you're bringing it up during an interview about you though?
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  So, yeah, but, well, it was a big part of my life, really.
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  Genuinely see I've I've noticed that about Australians in
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  particular, they had a big period where the Bush was a big
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  part of their. Yeah.
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  And it was just such a, I mean, yeah, it was just such a, like,
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  cult, like people, including myself, like, we were obsessed
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  with it, you know, It wasn't like a show that you like.
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  I quite like that show. It was like.
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  You were either on or the bus or you were off.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Did you have friends? Where?
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  Because I was just talking to someone else.
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  Like, you try to tell somebody about it and they're just like
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  the wall. Are you talking about?
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  Totally. Yeah, 100%.
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  And then and then like it was always if you were hanging out
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  with a few people and two or three, you know, loved it and
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  two or three didn't, the two or three that loved it would just
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  bore the others to it. Like recounting the whole like
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  the whole fucking episode and the others would do it would
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  just sound so nonsensical. I mean, I guess it was
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  nonsensical in a lot of ways. In some ways.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, absurd, right?
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  Yeah, God yeah, yeah, I, yeah. Anyway.
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  So you that's my. Little I won't.
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  I won't be a fanboy in this. Podcast.
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  That's OK. That's OK.
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  Love the Bush, you can tell some.
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  Stuff, Yeah. So you were pretty thick with a
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  crowd that liked the bouche? Yeah.
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  This was in high school. I think the Bouche ones were.
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  That's so interesting. So I feel like the big high
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  school crowd. Was there a bouche club like
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  there was extracurricular? There, there should have been.
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  I'm mine in stamp club boost club.
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  I think that when I retire from comedy I'll move back to
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  Australia and work in schools and start a boost club.
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  Really I would. I think that would be a cool
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  thing to do. 'Cause you're a, you're a
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  teacher by. Trade, is that right?
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  Yeah, yeah, You've done your research.
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  I'm actually, I'm actually like I, I'm like a support worker in
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  schools. So I'm not a teacher on the
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  hierarchy in education. So you go like, go get them,
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  teacher. Come on.
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  Come on, teacher you. Can do it.
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  Yeah, I support. I support the teacher.
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  No, I I support kids who need extra help in class.
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  Yeah, but I don't do it now. I haven't been doing it in
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  London, but I I do love that job.
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  I really loved it. So let's go back to the highs.
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  I'm trying to get chronological on ya, on your yeah.
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  Yeah. High school was the formative
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  years. You had a couple of sports.
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  I had a couple of sports, but you're pretty.
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  Good at sports? No, I.
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  Possibly wanted to. Do you know what it is?
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  Sports. Do you know what it is the Bush
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  side of me, those sort of more alternative creative, like I
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  used to just write all the time and just, I just just obsessed
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  with like music and art stuff, right?
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  That I feel like that was more the authentic who I was, the
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  sport. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But the sport side of me, I did like sport, but I think that was
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  like an attempt to fit in in a sort of jockey environment.
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  And there was four or five of us in this big group who loved the
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  Bush and who were having more weird inter like, I don't know,
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  just less like jockey or less sporty.
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  And that I think looking back on high school, I realised that a
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  lot of my time was spent just trying to fit in with the
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  sportiness. I know, so I don't know if I
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  ever. Would have played sport if it
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  wasn't for that, you know? I I try I could do a little bit
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  of that, like I could appear part of the normal.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I was definitely in
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  the other camp. So did you play any sport?
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  I played tennis. Oh, cool.
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  Yeah, great sport. I played a little bit of
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  basketball. I was on the junior varsity and
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  I played a little golf. Where did you grow up?
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  All over, I was in the my dad was in the Air Force.
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  Oh, wow. So all over the states or all
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  over the world? All over the states?
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  States. Yeah, not the world.
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  I didn't luck out with that. What's your favourite part of
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  America? I like, oh, God, I do like
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  California, but I liked, well, my formative years were in
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  Nebraska. I really liked that.
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  Yeah. Cool.
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  So it's always when you're in high school, you're fitting in
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  and you know, yeah, that's where you like.
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  But back to you. Sorry, I just, damn it, I'm
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  sorry. Take control of the interview,
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  Rich. Come on.
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  What would Parky do? So when you were growing up
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  though, you had all these thoughts and ideas and you'd
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  listen to music, smoke a little weed.
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  Oh yeah, that was a big part of my.
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  But when you were thinking of what to do, what did you you
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  thought I've got to do a legitimate kind of job?
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  No, no, no. Kind of the opposite I I think.
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  I think so I I didn't start working in schools till I was
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  about 26 or something, but fresh out of high school, 1718 years
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  old. I the idea of working a normal
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  job was what sort of frightened me most.
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  Or like. What did your parents think
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  about that? They.
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  Were pretty cool. Really.
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  Yeah. Pretty cool.
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  Adelaide generally parents, right?
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  Yeah, totally. Ross.
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  Adelaide is famous for is that, are you aware of that?
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  Famous for good weed, yes. Yeah, really.
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  Here's my experiences because you're close to the wilderness.
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  Yes, yes. People would come in out of the
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  wilderness and all of a sudden you'd be surrounded by fire.
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  Jugglers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, trusted variants, we call them.
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  Yeah, and there's there's the Adelaide Hills that the magic
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  mushrooms grow in abundance there.
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  So that has a, you know, an element.
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  There's a lot of weird elements in Adelaide, yeah.
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  Like we had to do gigs. We were at this festival, not
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  Adelaide, right? It was an off year, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we were booked in gigs
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  in towns outside of Adelaide. Wow.
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  Sometimes they'd be like all Germans like this.
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  Weird. Exactly where you're talking.
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  I think I did gig once with Adam Hills or something and it was
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  just like the weirdest. People there's like a German
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  town right near Adelaide called Hahndorf.
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  That must have been and. It's all German architecture
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  and, and they sell the German like Frankfurts and everything.
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  It's just like feels like you're in Munich or something.
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  It's really weird. I don't I don't know the history
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  of that. I think like there was just a
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  big great wave of German migration and they just all set
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  up in that one town well, because.
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  There was also these comedy nights that were booked like but
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  they were all ethnic wise, like an Irish night, a Geordie night
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  and they'd get loads of people that would go 'cause I found out
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  the Geordies they would. They paid them to come over in
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  the 60s to mine. Did they?
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  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I.
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  Think after a while they said you could stay here if you stay
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  long enough. Yeah, you've gotten enough stuff
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  out of the ground. If you fill two big buckets, you
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  get to stay. Yeah, that.
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  Yeah. Wow, that's really easy.
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  Some people would try to fake it.
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  Yeah, yeah. And then they'd get shot.
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  That's just charcoal. They'd burn fires and get the
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  charcoal and put it in there. This is chocolate mate.
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  That's a good accent. Really.
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  That's. Not bad I.
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  Just tried it was. Pretty good.
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  I can't do an American. So you you were averse to
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  anything normal. I think, yeah, yeah, I think, I
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  think I had this like passionate belief that to work 9:00 to
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  5:00. Was the worst.
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  Yeah, I mean, if you cared about it, if you were in an
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  organisation that you cared about, whatever, that's
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  different. But like, you know, a lot of
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  jobs, probably the majority of jobs, it's just like you don't
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  give a fuck what whether the company succeeds or not or
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  whatever, you know, and just the idea of like just being and and
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  then also I was watching a lot of stand up and who did you?
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  Watch. I went and saw a guy when I was
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  maybe like 14 or or 15. I saw a guy called Carl Barron
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  live. Do you know him?
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  No, you. Should check.
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  Him I should know. Him you should.
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  Watch him, I think outside of Australia, like he's so famous
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  in Australia, but I think outside of Australia, maybe not
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  at all, right. I think, I don't think he's
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  ever, I don't even think he's ever really attempted to go
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  global. I think he's maybe done just
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  just for laughs Montreal a couple of times.
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  But he's so good. Pure observational comedy.
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  Like, just pure, Yeah, just, you know, so efficient.
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  Jim Owens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. Similar cut from the same clock.
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  Right, right, right. Now there was a guy, this was
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  one time during the festival, he was famous for doing this song
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  about the ABC's or something, and he started to do comedy.
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  He's very strange. We would watch him sometimes
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  because it was kind of funny. Was he big?
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  Like was. He a guy?
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  Yeah, slightly scary long hair. Yeah, never mind.
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  Sorry. I'll.
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  I'll figure it out later. So would you listen?
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  Who else would you watch? Well, the Bush was around that
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  time as well when I was about 15.
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  Greg Fleet. Yeah, yeah, I watched probably
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  later. I probably watched more clips of
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  Greg Fleet when I started doing comedy like a few years later,
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  right? But yeah, he was.
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  He was a master. Yeah, he's amazing.
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  Amazing. And then who else was?
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  And then like, you know, I just, I, I started getting on YouTube
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  and just looking at all the sort of all the people, the classics,
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  you know, watching Richard Pryor or whatever, just like Googling
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  like who's the best comedian? Got a bit obsessed with it like
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  and just started watching lots of comedy.
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  So after high school, you weren't working, you were just
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  sort of like. I I worked at AI, got a job
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  after high school. I was working at a restaurant
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  washing dishes right from when I was about 16 till maybe 19.
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  Just the dish pig at this restaurant.
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  Would we know the restaurant? I don't think so.
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  Small restaurant in Adelaide. It was a good restaurant and it
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  was. It was.
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  I eventually got promoted to being a waiter and I was so bad
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  at it, like I was you. Couldn't handle the pressure I.
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  Couldn't handle the pressure. I dropped a tray of cocktails on
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  someone. I one time that we had like a
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  front bar and I, I was pouring someone a beer and the keg ran
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  out and I went downstairs into the cellar to change the keg.
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  And I'd done it a few times before.
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  I sort of knew what I was doing sort of and I changed the keg,
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  but it made a weird noise when I did it.
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  So I stayed down there for quite a while.
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  I was sort of fiddling around with it.
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  I was like something that felt different that and I was down
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  there for coming as I'm coming back up the stairs up the
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  cellar, there's just all these liquid like coming down the
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  stairs and I get up and I've when I did the beer, I never put
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  it back like that. So once I reconnected that keg,
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  it had just been and there it was.
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  I just like flooded the whole did.
• 21:27
  You get fired. I I think that was like maybe
• 21:31
  the second to last chance I got sort of thing like that was it
• 21:37
  was I was on my way out by then one time I oh God.
• 21:42
  You have nightmares, Water coming down.
• 21:45
  The stairs I was really incompetent at that job, but
• 21:49
  then I started working at a bottle shop around that time,
• 21:52
  which was a lot less pressure and I actually loved that Just
• 21:55
  sort of one of those big I don't know if you have them in the UK,
• 22:00
  but in. America bottles.
• 22:02
  Yeah. Just huge.
• 22:03
  Sure. Oh yeah.
• 22:06
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 22:08
  Sam Campbell, Sam Campbell, when I had him on, he was telling me
• 22:13
  about how when you're young in Australia you always get these
• 22:16
  weird jobs. Yeah, that's true.
• 22:19
  Like. People work very young.
• 22:21
  Yeah, I started when I was sort of 13, Yeah.
• 22:23
  And I worked on these paddle boats.
• 22:27
  There's a river in Adelaide. With that, you stand on.
• 22:30
  They're like you. Push them with your legs like
• 22:32
  you get in them and push. And I was like the paddleboat
• 22:34
  guy. Honey.
• 22:38
  And and that was one of my teenage just sort of helping and
• 22:42
  all the paddleboats were fucked. They all had holes in them and
• 22:45
  like I'd have to rescue people all the time.
• 22:47
  They never repaired. It was like a, you know, AI
• 22:51
  don't know anyway. Any drownings?
• 22:53
  Well one time one of the one of my customers found a dead body
• 22:58
  shit and so that was quite full on, but they didn't.
• 23:03
  It wasn't someone that had drowned in my paddleboats.
• 23:06
  That's why he never returned the boat.
• 23:10
  Oh shit, yeah. That's who was yelling
• 23:13
  yesterday, man. So that, yeah, that was a weird
• 23:17
  job. I worked as a pizza.
• 23:19
  I worked in a pizza shop, washing the dishes in the pizza
• 23:22
  shop. And one of my friends, he
• 23:24
  delivered the pizzas and we just, he just, we just, we were
• 23:28
  about 16 and he had his driver's licence already.
• 23:30
  And we just put cheese on pizzas, then go out the back,
• 23:34
  smoke weed, then he'd deliver a pizza.
• 23:36
  I'd be like, I need to go with him because like it's a bit of a
• 23:38
  complicated drive. I'll do the the directions and
• 23:41
  then we just go smoke bongs in his car.
• 23:43
  But you would and then come back and keep.
• 23:45
  Working. Well, the dishes just sort of
• 23:47
  stacked up. You'd accidentally washed the
• 23:49
  pizza. Yeah, and ate the, ate the soap.
• 23:56
  So all this time, though, you were thinking about comedy and
• 23:59
  you're thinking, maybe I should try this?
• 24:02
  Yeah. Was there a was there a open
• 24:05
  mic? Yeah, so basically at the end of
• 24:09
  high school, everyone started talking about what they were
• 24:12
  going to do and all this shit, and none of it appealed to me.
• 24:14
  And I just decided, OK, The day after high school finishes that
• 24:19
  week, I I did some research. I found an open mic in Adelaide
• 24:23
  at the Rhino. So good because we all build up
• 24:26
  to this moment. Right.
• 24:27
  This is where I'm going to be. Totally.
• 24:29
  Yeah. And so then there was, yeah, a
• 24:31
  period of weeks where I was waiting.
• 24:33
  I was like, as soon as high school finishes, I'm going there
• 24:35
  and I'm doing 5 minutes at that place.
• 24:37
  And I did it and I loved it. Laughs.
• 24:41
  I got laughs. And I think this is a common
• 24:44
  story, right? You you might know that first
• 24:47
  one was great. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:55
  Did you the first time you did like comedy?
• 24:59
  My first one was really good and then my second one was really.
• 25:01
  Good. Yes, that's a lot of people.
• 25:04
  That's a common thing, right? Yeah.
• 25:05
  First one's so good. You've got so much adrenaline
• 25:08
  and then you go, this is easy. That's what I did anyway.
• 25:11
  I was like, this is fucking what the fuck the big deal?
• 25:13
  Like, yeah, this. Yeah, I'll be famous in a year.
• 25:17
  I'll do. The Tonight Show in.
• 25:18
  A couple of years, yeah. And then the second one is like,
• 25:22
  my second one was so bad. I did.
• 25:24
  Do you want to know one of the jokes I tried?
• 25:27
  Yeah, My second, I was, I was 1817.
• 25:29
  I think I was 17 years old, tried to do a joke that Siri,
• 25:34
  the voice thing on my phone which was in its very in its
• 25:37
  infancy was racist. Right, it's.
• 25:42
  The the premise was like if there was a big song that had
• 25:48
  just come out by Kanye West and Jay-Z right N words in Paris.
• 25:53
  And I would say to Siri, I only did this bit once one and done.
• 25:58
  I would say, like if I say play people in Paris, Siri then
• 26:03
  responds by saying playing and then says the name of the song.
• 26:07
  And fuck, it doesn't. It makes no sense.
• 26:09
  This bit. I think that what I was trying
• 26:11
  to say was like, I didn't tell you to say that word and you
• 26:14
  just took it upon yourself to say it, therefore you're racist.
• 26:17
  Yeah. And it it was just like.
• 26:19
  It's a good silence. Thank you.
• 26:22
  That's nice. It didn't feel like it when I
• 26:25
  did it. It was like, you know, when they
• 26:26
  look at you like, And I was just like, oh, yeah.
• 26:31
  And this is my second time ever on stage.
• 26:33
  What the difference now is you just sort of go, okay, that
• 26:38
  didn't work where now then it was like.
• 26:41
  It was shitting totally. Put so much time and it's.
• 26:45
  So true. Now you just go, oh, that's
• 26:46
  shit. Or maybe even you'd go.
• 26:49
  I think if I rework the wording of that, maybe there's something
• 26:53
  there. It's like if each joke were a
• 26:55
  bad breakup or something. Yeah, Yeah.
• 26:57
  Like we know how to deal with it, yeah.
• 27:00
  Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a death.
• 27:02
  Exactly, you get used to it. I can't go to work Kanye joke.
• 27:12
  So what happened after the 2nd? After the second one I still.
• 27:17
  Because you brought your friends, right?
• 27:19
  And they go, don't worry. And that's that's.
• 27:23
  There's always the pizza place. Well, the pizza, yeah, actually,
• 27:29
  no, I won't get into that, that's probably.
• 27:31
  But there was some. I'm trying to say.
• 27:33
  Controversy with the pizza place.
• 27:35
  So I couldn't go back there. Not my controversy, just anyway,
• 27:40
  I think it might have been a front.
• 27:41
  I think it was a front. Oh.
• 27:43
  And the three foot bong you left behind, it was like oh shit.
• 27:49
  I think there was a reason we never got in trouble for doing
• 27:52
  drugs while we were working. I think there was bigger things
• 27:55
  going on at the pizza place. You know, there weren't that
• 27:57
  many pizza orders. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:01
  But what was I talking about? Oh, and then no after the. 3rd
• 28:04
  gig. 3rd gig, I think what happened in that second one?
• 28:09
  So the first one was so fun, second one was terrible.
• 28:12
  No one laughed for the whole 5 minutes.
• 28:14
  But I still enjoyed it in a weird kind of fucked up way,
• 28:18
  right? And so that's kind of the one
• 28:19
  that made me go. I think I love this because it
• 28:22
  just went as badly as I assume it can go, but I still feel
• 28:26
  alive. Because sometimes at this point,
• 28:29
  the difference is having a mentor who can say to you, this
• 28:35
  is the normal process. Did you have anybody like?
• 28:38
  Ashley a few weeks later. So the the way it worked in
• 28:43
  Adelaide with this, there wasn't many places to do comedy.
• 28:46
  This was the Rhino room in Adelaide open mic.
• 28:49
  That's pretty much it was your only option and it was like it
• 28:55
  was a bringer, like you bring three friends or whatever.
• 28:59
  And the more you brought, the later on in the show you'd go
• 29:03
  or. Oh, no, maybe.
• 29:05
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. They didn't say that, but yes.
• 29:08
  You don't have anybody. You're going up now?
• 29:10
  Yep. Yep, totally.
• 29:11
  Because they want the crowd to stay and to be excited.
• 29:13
  Yep. And so I would just go every now
• 29:17
  and then. And I remember one time my
• 29:18
  sister came, I'd probably been doing it for about 6 months,
• 29:21
  just a little bit. And they were all the comics
• 29:24
  were at the back of the room and and she watched my set and she
• 29:27
  was like you know, it's OK, bye bye.
• 29:28
  And she said to me, I really appreciated this.
• 29:31
  She said, do you want to do this?
• 29:32
  And I said, yeah. And she's like, you have to come
• 29:35
  here every week. And I was like, no, but I can't
• 29:37
  get on every week. Like you e-mail them, you tell
• 29:39
  them you're bringing people and then you can get on.
• 29:42
  And she was like, no, it doesn't matter if you're on or not.
• 29:44
  You come here and you hang out and and talk to those people up
• 29:48
  the back of the. Room.
• 29:49
  How does she know? All that.
• 29:50
  No, she's pretty wise. She's older than me.
• 29:52
  She just fucking knew. And so then I started doing that
• 29:56
  even when I wasn't on exactly every week and just showed
• 30:00
  people that I was interested in this.
• 30:01
  And then it it, it did. It progressed a lot quicker
• 30:04
  after that. So she was so right.
• 30:06
  How did she know that I. Needed somebody like that, yeah.
• 30:10
  And then once I was in that click, there were a lot of good
• 30:13
  comics in that clique, and then I was learning a lot more from
• 30:16
  them. Yes, that was great.
• 30:17
  It's just about getting into a different yeah.
• 30:21
  Group. Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 30:23
  Wow, yeah. So, OK, so then you started
• 30:26
  gigging more and more and then when did you, what was, would
• 30:31
  you say, the next step in this? I wrote an hour.
• 30:35
  Oh, sorry. You wrote an hour.
• 30:37
  For I did about when I'd been going about three years, I wrote
• 30:41
  an hour and did it at the Adelaide Fringe Festival.
• 30:44
  Because your comedy is a lot of it's story based about your
• 30:48
  life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:50
  So you're probably had a lot of material.
• 30:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did.
• 30:55
  Somebody say to you, you should write an hour and go up it.
• 30:58
  Was kind of just a thing that everyone did yeah, like maybe
• 31:02
  not that early, some people waited a few more years, but it
• 31:05
  was just kind of like we're in Adelaide, there's this festival
• 31:07
  that happens there every year it's just silly not to it's like
• 31:11
  you just just do it just do an hour, see what happens and.
• 31:15
  And I think. You know, if you live in
• 31:17
  Adelaide, do you go to the festival when you're really.
• 31:20
  Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's quite like happening.
• 31:23
  Yeah, it's quite happening. And Adelaide's so fucking boring
• 31:26
  the rest of the year, right? You got to get everything in.
• 31:29
  Because I always thought of it as an exciting city.
• 31:32
  Because. Really.
• 31:33
  Not. Yeah, Yeah, that's, yeah.
• 31:35
  It's nice that you think of it like that.
• 31:37
  I don't want to change your perception.
• 31:38
  I'm always maybe. Just think of it.
• 31:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, this was 2019.
• 31:46
  You had a show. No, this was 2000 and 15.
• 31:53
  OK, 14. Do you have an hour and you're
• 31:56
  like. I did an hour ready to go.
• 31:58
  Yeah, did it. I mean, how, how wait, how, how
• 32:03
  detailed are we going with this? Because I.
• 32:05
  I want to know what was in your first 5 minutes of this.
• 32:08
  No, no, just. So that hour I did around, I did
• 32:16
  it in Adelaide and then I did that a couple more years and
• 32:19
  then in about 20, I don't know, 2016 or 2017, I took an hour to
• 32:23
  the Melbourne Comedy Festival, which is, that's like a step up.
• 32:28
  That's more important. Yeah.
• 32:30
  Yeah. And that, yeah, that was.
• 32:33
  That was really funny. In this period, were there any
• 32:36
  doubts like, oh, maybe I'll go to OK, you were in it.
• 32:41
  I was in IT and I was still working at the bottle like work,
• 32:44
  selling liquor to people and at the bottle shop.
• 32:49
  What do you call it in the in the UK or in America?
• 32:52
  An offline store? Yeah.
• 32:54
  Liquor store. Liquor store.
• 32:55
  Yeah. So I was doing that and I sort
• 32:58
  of had a had a go at uni. I went to university a few
• 33:02
  times, actually, just sort of fucking.
• 33:05
  But was that sort of like as of it?
• 33:07
  Was just yeah, yeah. And then I just like, I just
• 33:11
  never fucking went to class and I just kept, I wasted a lot of
• 33:15
  money like dipping. In Yeah, I know what you mean,
• 33:18
  though. You kind of want to with me.
• 33:21
  I kind of do it to appease the parents, but you sort of feel
• 33:26
  like if I do that, I can, yeah. Yeah, and it was like this
• 33:30
  comedy thing, you know, I was realising this comedy thing is
• 33:34
  way less of a sure thing than I thought it was after that first
• 33:39
  gig, right. So maybe I should get my
• 33:43
  teaching qualification. I ended up getting like a a
• 33:45
  smaller qualification to do like support work in schools.
• 33:49
  But by the time you were doing Melbourne, you were like, this
• 33:52
  is this is what I'm? Doing yeah, yeah.
• 33:54
  Yeah. And So what happened after that?
• 33:56
  You. That around that time, I, I, I
• 33:59
  won, I got, I made it to like the national final of some
• 34:04
  competition. Really.
• 34:06
  Yeah. Wow.
• 34:08
  Which is. The Berry.
• 34:10
  It was no, no, that's what's it called.
• 34:16
  It's called raw comedy and it's like Rod, it's raw dog comedy.
• 34:22
  I don't know why it's called. Comedy.
• 34:24
  Oh, sorry, but it's a big open mic competition, but it's run by
• 34:28
  the Melbourne Comedy Fest and it's just like it's for
• 34:32
  beginners and it's a way for industry to see you and stuff.
• 34:35
  And then I did that and then the next year I did an hour at the
• 34:39
  Melbourne Comedy Festival, got nominated for an award, not the
• 34:44
  Barry, like the best newcomer award or whatever.
• 34:47
  And then I was. Kind of I got the piece of Wood
• 34:49
  award there. Oh did you?
• 34:50
  Oh nice that's I reckon that's the best 1 to get.
• 34:54
  It was in a way, I said in my mind it.
• 34:58
  Appears right. Yeah, I think like bite into the
• 35:01
  words. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 35:03
  Yeah. When was that?
• 35:05
  When were you in Melbourne? Do you think I was?
• 35:07
  I was there a bunch of times but I think I won it 2001 or
• 35:12
  something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:15
  Oh, wow. So, so yeah.
• 35:20
  So we're not interviewing. You no can.
• 35:22
  We could ask one question, I'll ask 5.
• 35:25
  Can you describe like in those early, earlier years, like in
• 35:29
  the late 90s, what your style was then?
• 35:32
  Like what was it, sort of? I did, one person shows.
• 35:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, in a way I was kind of
• 35:39
  like, I wish I had someone had told me like just do sort of
• 35:44
  what you want to do more. I felt I because I did personal
• 35:49
  thing. I did one about how I, you know,
• 35:51
  I lied to my parents about being a lawyer for a while, which is
• 35:55
  good. That's what I won the award
• 35:57
  from. Yeah.
• 35:59
  Did you really lie? You said you were a lawyer when
• 36:01
  you. Were.
• 36:01
  Yeah. And I did it for several years
• 36:04
  and it's silly. That's very good, Yeah.
• 36:09
  And then I did a show where I played a character on the Bush,
• 36:14
  Eleanor the tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:18
  So I was like, I was in and out of these characters when I kind
• 36:23
  of want, I sort of should have been more doing a silly show
• 36:27
  that I wanted to do. Yeah.
• 36:30
  But sometimes it's a process. Definitely, yeah.
• 36:33
  And like, yeah, it's like you don't know what you want or
• 36:36
  maybe, you know, somewhere deep down, but to find that, it's
• 36:39
  like, you gotta. I process.
• 36:41
  Yeah. The first, I've been doing
• 36:43
  comedy for, like, not that long, but like maybe 12 years.
• 36:46
  And I only think in the last four years I've been doing stuff
• 36:50
  that I really want to do. Yeah.
• 36:52
  So that first eight, I was just fucking, you know, figuring it
• 36:55
  out, I guess. A lot of it has to do too.
• 36:58
  Like people take a, you know, they almost not necessarily
• 37:03
  mimic, but they take a style and sort of do it that way and then
• 37:08
  develop their own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:10
  Would you say you had a certain style?
• 37:12
  Or I think like I did early on, it was, yeah, it was like I, I
• 37:19
  realised at some stage. Because you would go, hi, how
• 37:25
  are you? No, I'm just kidding.
• 37:30
  That was terrible. Adelaide's famous for serial
• 37:34
  killers, not. Serial, you know, they come out
• 37:37
  and then do it and then run away.
• 37:39
  Yeah. Yeah, into the woods.
• 37:41
  Because I I hung out at the casino sometimes, there's a lot
• 37:47
  of strangeness trying went on there.
• 37:49
  People there, yeah, probably, you know, not dissimilar to some
• 37:53
  small towns in America. Oh, yeah.
• 37:55
  Strange folks. I think there'd be a lot of
• 37:57
  people in Adelaide who would really get along with some of
• 37:59
  the weird people in American. Oh yeah, like Twin Peaks.
• 38:03
  Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 38:04
  Twin Peaks. Yeah.
• 38:08
  Want a pizza? I'll wash it for you so.
• 38:16
  Callback. It's all about callbacks.
• 38:19
  You're so. You're so good at controlling
• 38:23
  this interview and calling back. What did you know I?
• 38:26
  Used to, I hardly ask any questions.
• 38:28
  It's very, it's very slick. I used to do an interview
• 38:31
  podcast only for a few months and I'm I'm really not.
• 38:35
  I'm bad at interviewing. No, you're good at.
• 38:37
  It No, I'm not. I'm not.
• 38:38
  I'm telling you I'm not. You're pretty good at it.
• 38:41
  I'm. Not I'm not.
• 38:42
  I don't know what the what The thing is that I'm don't have,
• 38:45
  but you've got it. Thank you I.
• 38:48
  Don't know it, anyway I found it hard.
• 38:51
  So when see, see, so you're doing Melbourne and obviously
• 38:57
  you're like most Australians. I don't know why, because
• 39:01
  there's a great comedy scene. They go, I've got to go.
• 39:05
  Somewhere. Yeah, Yeah.
• 39:07
  What was your Did you have a plan or did you I somebody came
• 39:12
  from Edinburgh and saw you right I.
• 39:16
  Yeah, that happened, but I also just knew that I had to do
• 39:20
  Edinburgh, Australia. Yeah, we do have a good comedy
• 39:24
  scene, but there is a feeling, I think in a lot of industries in
• 39:27
  Australia where it's like at some point I'm going to have.
• 39:30
  To It's the king of the festivals, right?
• 39:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 39:35
  You got to see Adam, you got to do it.
• 39:37
  And so I did that and yeah, that was great.
• 39:41
  And I and then I guess in. The last, well, you just glossed
• 39:45
  that over. You just did it.
• 39:48
  I mean, it was sort of AI mean. Yeah, it was incredible, but it
• 39:52
  but it but it wasn't like my show didn't like, you know, have
• 39:55
  some at Edinburgh shows pop and it's like, whoa, this is the
• 39:58
  show. It wasn't that I I I had some
• 40:01
  sell outs. I had good, good numbers like
• 40:03
  yeah, generally, but it never I got a couple good reviews, but
• 40:06
  it wasn't like whoa, those kind of it wasn't.
• 40:09
  Like did you have high expectations that?
• 40:12
  I think in the first few days I was there, I had that mindset of
• 40:16
  like, I need to, I need to like make a stand.
• 40:19
  And then I was like, this is fucking stupid.
• 40:22
  I'm doing a month of shows. I can only get out of this what
• 40:27
  I want to get out of it. And the only thing I can control
• 40:30
  is whether I get better at stand up.
• 40:32
  So I actually changed my show and started doing a lot more new
• 40:35
  material. And I was like.
• 40:37
  I'm going to treat this month just working on stuff because I
• 40:40
  can't control whether critics are going to see the show or
• 40:43
  whether this or that. What I can control is using this
• 40:46
  month to get better. After the first week bakes or
• 40:50
  break people because either they're they are like having the
• 40:55
  greatest time and great reviews or it's not so good they could
• 41:00
  either sync. Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 41:02
  Or they can make something made out of play.
• 41:05
  Exactly. That was it.
• 41:07
  I was like, OK, this is going to be what it is and I came all
• 41:10
  this way. I want to.
• 41:12
  And then do you know what, as soon as I took that pressure off
• 41:15
  myself and and started framing it not as a work in progress,
• 41:20
  but as a bit of like AI want to get better at comedy, I just had
• 41:23
  the best time like. And that's when you went into
• 41:26
  the hills and killed. People and Yeah.
• 41:28
  And I, I murdered 7 backpackers in the Scottish Highlands, which
• 41:34
  I don't talk about often, just because some people get, I
• 41:37
  guess, funny about it. I know, but that's.
• 41:40
  Yeah, I haven't. Light murders just really 7 at
• 41:44
  once. Seven at once.
• 41:46
  And I hadn't done a lot of that before.
• 41:47
  You know, I'd done a couple as a kid, but I'd taken a lot of time
• 41:51
  off it. And I guess I found I recaptured
• 41:55
  a love for it. Yeah.
• 41:57
  For killing. For killing groups of people.
• 42:00
  So did you just do the one Edinburgh or did you murder the
• 42:04
  17777? I did spree.
• 42:08
  I did an Edinburgh, I did an Edinburgh where I didn't do a
• 42:12
  solo show. And then that year, that was the
• 42:15
  next year, the one I was talking about, where I did the solo show
• 42:17
  for the whole month. And then and then I did
• 42:21
  Melbourne again and did all the Australian festivals again
• 42:26
  earlier this year and then I moved here.
• 42:29
  That's almost brought us up to speed.
• 42:31
  Where where were you during COVID?
• 42:34
  During COVID I was in Melbourne for the whole time.
• 42:37
  Nice. And I yeah, that.
• 42:40
  Yeah. What a great place to have
• 42:42
  COVID. Yeah, it suits.
• 42:47
  It suits. It really.
• 42:48
  Does suit the body. Yeah, Yeah.
• 42:51
  It's like coffee COVID, yeah. Laneways, COVID.
• 42:59
  COVID. White COVID pizza.
• 43:03
  Yeah, smoking weed. Pizza.
• 43:06
  So we we had you had plans to go to England before.
• 43:11
  Were they thwarted by during? During no, during COVID was when
• 43:15
  I really, I think COVID gave me this sense of like I need to get
• 43:19
  the fuck out of here, which I probably did for a lot of
• 43:21
  people, but but I always wanted to go somewhere for comedy, but
• 43:26
  I thought it might be New York earlier on or LA.
• 43:31
  But then during COVID I kind of land I was like, Nah, London
• 43:35
  makes the most sense. Do.
• 43:36
  You find Australian comics have that either they go to the US or
• 43:41
  London. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:42
  And much more common London. I think London's easier to break
• 43:45
  into than the US Seems fucking brutal.
• 43:49
  Like, tough to get in. Really.
• 43:51
  I think so, Like, oh, well, I've got a few friends in New York
• 43:53
  and just the way they talk about it, it seems.
• 43:57
  I don't know why that is. Do you know where that is?
• 44:00
  I. Don't know.
• 44:01
  I mean, I am so competitive. Right.
• 44:03
  Yeah, I, I did Chicago and Lai never spent loads of time in New
• 44:09
  York. Yeah, but I do know it does have
• 44:12
  a thriving comedy thing, but it's very clicky.
• 44:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think like if you don't
• 44:18
  have the connections it, it might be hard.
• 44:23
  Whereas London, London, Australia, that's like such a
• 44:26
  well tracked path. Yeah.
• 44:28
  And it's, yeah, there's, there's so many Australian comedians
• 44:31
  here and yeah, I don't know, it's just an easier transition.
• 44:35
  But I like American audiences more.
• 44:38
  You do I'm. Not a big fan of these British
• 44:40
  audiences. What tell us about the British
• 44:43
  audience? They're fine.
• 44:44
  No, I do like them. That's I.
• 44:46
  Should go to your next show. Boom.
• 44:51
  I'm really giving this podcast credit that they would, you
• 44:55
  know? Actually, American audience
• 44:58
  audiences are just more generous and more excited to be there and
• 45:02
  and less standoffish. And I just think there's like
• 45:04
  sort of a deep seated colonial arrogance in this country that
• 45:10
  no one talks about. But it is in there.
• 45:12
  Really. There's no British people in
• 45:14
  this room right now. So I feel very comfortable
• 45:16
  saying that. No.
• 45:17
  And actually, you were born here.
• 45:19
  Yeah. Sorry, I don't, I don't know.
• 45:23
  You more Aussie, Yeah. You're in.
• 45:25
  You're a London anchor, baby. You came here and then you left
• 45:29
  after. A week, yeah.
• 45:31
  I don't know. There's just like, I think like
• 45:35
  just something. There's a little bit of like.
• 45:37
  Old school. Old school, old school, way
• 45:41
  better than everyone you know. They're they're stupid.
• 45:45
  They're these Aussies are stupid, though.
• 45:47
  These Americans are stupid. Or someone was telling me in
• 45:50
  Edinburgh he's he watched this really good American comedian
• 45:55
  and the American comedian was being really ironic on stage and
• 45:58
  I can't remember who it was. He's massive in Australia.
• 46:01
  Yeah. Is he?
• 46:03
  Yeah. Anyway, was it Todd Berry?
• 46:05
  I. Can't remember who it was, but
• 46:07
  the audience was. This is what how my friend
• 46:11
  relayed it to me and it kind of made sense in my head.
• 46:13
  It was like this American comic was being deeply ironic, but my
• 46:19
  friend felt like the audience was.
• 46:21
  So they presumed that Americans are like incapable of irony.
• 46:27
  So they didn't even think they thought he was being genuine.
• 46:29
  And they were sort of sitting there like this guy is.
• 46:31
  It Neil Hamburger. No, no, I know that there.
• 46:37
  Is. Do you know what I mean?
• 46:38
  Yeah, there's a definite bias that Americans aren't into
• 46:42
  irony. Yeah, but the ones that are
• 46:45
  gravitating towards comedy, yeah, they usually know.
• 46:48
  Irony 100% And I just think there's this British thing of
• 46:51
  like thinking people are more stupid than they.
• 46:54
  Are I just think that's parochial just anywhere if
• 46:57
  people think that, you know, like, yeah, yeah, but.
• 47:03
  I do wonder if we should cut that part of the podcast.
• 47:05
  We really need. Trying to build an audience in
• 47:08
  this country. Really trying to get a fan it.
• 47:10
  Was meant to be more sort of jovial than it came out.
• 47:13
  It was meant to be like a bit of fun.
• 47:15
  It it got way more. It was just way more sincere.
• 47:19
  Well, I think it's. Really bad.
• 47:24
  I think it's the way I worded it.
• 47:25
  It was meant to be a bit silly. I I do like the.
• 47:29
  Brits, well, I find sometimes with Brits there, this is the
• 47:34
  difference between the US and Britain is people here will go
• 47:39
  out to see comedy. They won't know exactly who
• 47:43
  they're going to see. Yeah, yeah, to their credit or
• 47:46
  not, they go. Let's go see comedy.
• 47:48
  I love that. I love.
• 47:49
  That it's great. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:51
  Whereas in the US, it's like, who are we going to see?
• 47:55
  Who is this person? Yeah, yeah.
• 47:57
  Totally. I want to know their IMDb.
• 48:03
  They're in the car on the. Way Australians don't.
• 48:07
  Even if they don't, it's like Australia is even worse.
• 48:11
  It's like, no, we're not going regardless.
• 48:13
  What do you mean? There's a footy match on.
• 48:15
  Oh, oh, right, right. And we're going to the beach,
• 48:19
  we're getting up at 5:00 AM to go surfing.
• 48:21
  So fuck the comedy. We don't, you know, they're just
• 48:24
  Australian audiences are so fucking fuck how I'm gonna
• 48:28
  destroy my whole. World.
• 48:29
  No, no, no, no. But the beauty.
• 48:32
  Of it is hard to There's so much to do during the day and the
• 48:35
  weather's so great and so. That's why festivals are so
• 48:39
  good, because they're concentrated.
• 48:41
  These are people that want to see yeah, yeah.
• 48:44
  And Mel, the Comedy Festival at Melbourne is the best, the best
• 48:48
  because they're all there. There's no theatre.
• 48:51
  No, no. It's.
• 48:52
  Just there's no talking horses or no, sometimes there is some,
• 48:57
  yeah, but you know what I mean. It's a good.
• 49:00
  Festival. I love it, yeah.
• 49:02
  Oh, it's so much great. But I do love that about British
• 49:06
  culture. It feels like comedy is like,
• 49:09
  it's almost like live music where it's just like, yeah,
• 49:12
  let's just go watch some comedy. It's a genre, it's a thing you
• 49:15
  go to and you participate in it some.
• 49:20
  Some people more than others, unwelcomely.
• 49:24
  But do you? Do you enjoy people heckling?
• 49:27
  Do you hate it? Sometimes, well, I like it when
• 49:32
  people come to see me so they their hackles are more like, hey
• 49:37
  dude. Friendly.
• 49:38
  Yeah. Friendly.
• 49:39
  Yeah, Totally. Yeah, Yeah.
• 49:40
  So I'd love to be at a point where that's all it is.
• 49:44
  But, you know, that's the goal of anybody, right?
• 49:47
  Yeah. So what is it that you're hoping
• 49:50
  to do next? What's your big?
• 49:54
  I want to deal, I want to write more, I want to write TV and so
• 50:02
  I'm working on some scripts that's.
• 50:04
  My. Biggest thing I'm doing at the
• 50:05
  moment. Nice.
• 50:06
  Yeah, but keep gigging. Keep, keep.
• 50:08
  I'm still gigging. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:10
  Why do you say that? Just because that muscle.
• 50:12
  You got to keep that going because it's ripples in a pond
• 50:16
  and if you keep that going, who knows, a stand up thing could
• 50:19
  come out. Totally.
• 50:20
  I think you should tour. I think I will tour.
• 50:23
  I think I'm I'm going, I'm I'm taking a work in progress show
• 50:28
  to Australia next year. I'm going to build it up in
• 50:31
  Australia for a few weeks, then I'm going to bring it to
• 50:33
  Edinburgh. Tour do it as a back in
• 50:35
  progress. And then 2027, I'm going to
• 50:37
  fucking yeah. Australia, the UK, Europe,
• 50:41
  America, Canada. Fucking wow.
• 50:43
  That's my plan. That's a great.
• 50:45
  Plan, Yeah, Do you like? That you heard it here first,
• 50:48
  everybody. 2027 world tour, Yeah.
• 50:53
  And what's the name of it? We can name it right here.
• 50:55
  Fuck, I had a fuck. I don't know.
• 50:58
  Oh my God. You know what I wanted to call
• 51:02
  my show. I wanted one time.
• 51:04
  I just wanted to call it. Fuck this.
• 51:06
  Fuck you. Yeah.
• 51:07
  I think that's quite a good title.
• 51:09
  Lewis Gunn, fuck this. Fuck you.
• 51:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or full stop.
• 51:13
  Potentially. Nice, fuck you.
• 51:15
  But what if they go? You're going to have to put
• 51:17
  asterisks. Yeah, that's why it's lame.
• 51:21
  Yeah, yeah. They fuck you.
• 51:25
  That's not gonna work. That's lame.
• 51:27
  I don't like, Yeah. I think that's a great goal.
• 51:31
  Yeah, that's, yeah. So then, so that's the comedy.
• 51:34
  And then, and then try to write some TV stuff, try to act, you
• 51:40
  know. I say go for.
• 51:42
  Oliver in all these great shows and and films and stuff, I would
• 51:46
  love to do more acting. So just all those things.
• 51:50
  Put yourself out there because, you know, I, I always feel like
• 51:54
  it's sort of like the improviser in me in that, you know, you do
• 51:59
  something in a scene and it heightens and it moves to
• 52:03
  something else naturally. But it only does that if you do
• 52:08
  it totally. If you commit to it.
• 52:10
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:11
  Like if you just dip in and out of the stand up, it doesn't
• 52:14
  always come to fruition as fast as it normally should.
• 52:18
  Yeah. Yeah, you got to really go for
• 52:21
  it. Yeah.
• 52:21
  And I think, yeah. You got to get those 3 foot
• 52:25
  bongs. Yeah.
• 52:27
  Not a foot and 1/2. No 3 foot, 3 foot, Big
• 52:31
  mouthpiece. Oh yeah, yeah, with a skull,
• 52:34
  yeah. Did you have a skull?
• 52:38
  No, I didn't have a skull, but man I wish I did.
• 52:41
  I really. Wish I did no.
• 52:43
  That's why I murdered those seven people.
• 52:45
  Because they didn't have a skull.
• 52:47
  I wanted to collect skulls. Oh, to.
• 52:50
  Fit them onto my 3 foot bomb. No, that's a screenplay.
• 52:55
  Now listen, there's a segment in the show called Fill in the
• 52:58
  Blank. Have you heard of it?
• 53:01
  Well, I, I think I have Yeah. And I love, I love filling
• 53:06
  blanks in Yes, I've always I've. Always right up your elf.
• 53:09
  I've always enjoyed filling blanks in.
• 53:11
  And it doesn't have to be funny, just whatever comes into your
• 53:14
  mind. The healthiest thing I did today
• 53:17
  was blank. Rode my bike to this here.
• 53:20
  Oh my God that's great. Not a Lime bike.
• 53:24
  A genuine push bike, A genuine do it yourself, No electricity,
• 53:29
  no fucking. Do you have a lock?
• 53:32
  Yeah. OK, no, I mean I, I just wonder.
• 53:36
  I've got 2 locks. OK, I've heard a lot about
• 53:39
  things getting stolen in this city.
• 53:40
  Yeah, so I've got 2 locks on the back and so far good.
• 53:45
  So you're adept at writing in the city?
• 53:47
  Yeah, I'm get. I'm getting better.
• 53:50
  Yeah. Do you want to know a theory
• 53:51
  that I have? Do you have time?
• 53:52
  No. Yeah, I just came up with this
• 53:55
  theory. Is it longer than 12 minutes?
• 53:57
  It's. Pretty short.
• 53:58
  It's pretty short. I do it quickly.
• 54:00
  I, I call it bike push Theory. OK.
• 54:03
  And it's when I first got to London, I bought this bike and I
• 54:07
  was scared because it's London and there's cars everywhere in
• 54:10
  buses of course. So sometimes I was scared off
• 54:12
  the bike and I'd stop riding and I'd push it and go onto the
• 54:16
  footpath and push it. And I always felt really
• 54:17
  self-conscious and I felt like everyone was looking at me like
• 54:20
  look at that fucking loser. He's not confident enough to
• 54:23
  ride his. Bike.
• 54:24
  Yeah, they are. But then the other day I walked
• 54:29
  past a woman and she was pushing her bike and I, I just didn't
• 54:31
  think about it at all. And then later I thought, no one
• 54:35
  is someone says you're pushing your bike.
• 54:37
  Everyone's busy with their own. Shit, they're.
• 54:39
  Like I gotta go do that podcast with rich.
• 54:41
  I'm doing this. I'm whatever.
• 54:44
  No one gives a fuck that you're no one's like looking at it and
• 54:46
  being like, I wonder why they're pushing their bike and then
• 54:48
  coming up with reasons like they must be a loser.
• 54:50
  They must not know how to ride properly that that's it's so
• 54:54
  egotistical to think that someone and that's by push
• 54:57
  theory. That's great.
• 54:59
  Yesterday. So like when I bomb on stage, I
• 55:01
  realised everyone in the audience is thinking about other
• 55:04
  things. Totally that yeah, they weren't
• 55:06
  watching they. Weren't my drink order.
• 55:08
  We all had a break up in the last few hours.
• 55:11
  They're very preoccupied. That's a good theory of all the
• 55:16
  pets comma. I would bring Blank with me on
• 55:19
  tour if I were allowed scooby-doo.
• 55:23
  It's a weird Scooby-doo. Yeah, I think scooby-doo would
• 55:27
  be a good tour companion. And if something happens,
• 55:30
  mysterious or whatever, Scooby can solve it.
• 55:33
  Because I think you might be a pet person, are you?
• 55:36
  Love pets. Yeah, yeah, I've got a dog back
• 55:39
  in Australia who's with my parents.
• 55:41
  Yeah, that big. She's pretty big shit.
• 55:44
  She's a she's a big dog. Oh my God.
• 55:47
  And I miss her so much and I have to just compartmentalise in
• 55:50
  my brain and just pretend that she doesn't exist because if I
• 55:53
  think about her too much I get really.
• 55:56
  Sad no dog. Here, though, you wouldn't.
• 55:58
  No dog here. Not yet.
• 56:00
  Maybe one day. Blank is the thing I
• 56:02
  consistently do wrong when it comes to my career.
• 56:12
  Answering questions on podcasts. Just in general.
• 56:19
  OK. All right.
• 56:20
  Because I go off on tangents about how I hate the audience in
• 56:24
  whatever country I'm trying to build a following in.
• 56:27
  And then they go, well, when are we going to?
• 56:29
  We're going to have to talk about whether you want to cut
• 56:31
  that. The best way to psych yourself
• 56:35
  up before the show is doing blank.
• 56:40
  Bit of stretching, do you do that?
• 56:42
  Really, I think that's a good idea.
• 56:45
  Just a bit of just stretching, maybe a bit of hip hop music on
• 56:52
  the head. Yeah, that's good.
• 56:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:55
  I like to talk to people. I think that's a great.
• 56:58
  Point yeah, if I'm with a friend and we're having a beer and and
• 57:01
  laughing, yes. Do you know actually this is the
• 57:04
  best piece of advice anyone's ever given me in stand up OK
• 57:08
  Felicity Ward, Australian comedian, she lives here now.
• 57:10
  She said to me, you're about to go on, they're about to say your
• 57:14
  name. Welcome to this day.
• 57:15
  And just in that moment, that few seconds, visualise the last
• 57:19
  time that one of you and one of your good friends were laughing.
• 57:23
  Something was really fucking silly and funny and whatever.
• 57:26
  OK, And get in that. Remember what you were saying?
• 57:29
  And what did they? Say to me and what?
• 57:30
  And then get to the stage where you're, you're literally like
• 57:33
  laughing. Then you go.
• 57:35
  I forgot what it was. Then you walk.
• 57:37
  Out shit then you're all. Freaked out and then yeah, yeah.
• 57:40
  And then you're tense. You want to be tense.
• 57:42
  You. Need to have that moment in your
• 57:44
  mind because. Then you're you're playful
• 57:46
  energy, right? Yeah.
• 57:47
  You come on in a playful mood. You know when you go on stage
• 57:51
  and you're not in that playful mood, that's.
• 57:53
  Oh, that's the worst. Especially if like, that's why I
• 57:56
  like to be early because if I'm late I'm freaked out about.
• 58:00
  Yes, yeah. Who's here?
• 58:01
  What's going on? We're my green M&M's.
• 58:04
  Yeah, I have heard that you're really.
• 58:07
  Funny not to have them. Yeah, yeah, I don't care you.
• 58:10
  Don't need them, do you? No, I just want them to obey.
• 58:14
  Yeah, yeah, fuckers. If I start worrying about blank
• 58:20
  I can never get to sleep. Like what sets you off on about?
• 58:28
  How long do you have? Oh.
• 58:31
  Nah. There's more than one.
• 58:32
  I mean, there's lots of stuff at the moment.
• 58:36
  If I start thinking about how much I vape, I won't be able to
• 58:41
  get to sleep. I'm worried that I'm getting I'm
• 58:43
  vaping. Too much vaping too much.
• 58:45
  Yeah, yeah, I've got a vape. Yeah, where's my vape?
• 58:50
  Or do you vape a lot? I vape too much.
• 58:52
  Yeah. I find it so addictive.
• 58:55
  In some of the gigs I saw they put as a preface Sir vape a lot.
• 59:00
  It's no, it's just a bad joke. They call you Sir Vape a lot.
• 59:13
  No, onto the stage. And then you're trying to think
• 59:17
  of that funny moment. Instead you start thinking about
• 59:20
  vaping. Shit, I got to stop vaping.
• 59:23
  Hi, everybody. I've been vaping too much.
• 59:27
  Lately. Oh well, that's all I got
• 59:29
  that's. Great.
• 59:30
  Yeah, I love the blanks. But this is the point where you
• 59:35
  can promo anything. Or Thanks Rich.
• 59:39
  Yeah, well, I do a podcast called Stream of Contentedness.
• 59:43
  We don't do that podcast. I I thought gigs, but you're
• 59:48
  doing a podcast. I'm really sorry.
• 59:52
  What's it called really? Sorry, stream of contentedness
• 59:56
  with Lewis Garnham. Oh, nice.
• 59:58
  It's just me on my own and I just ramble about things that
• 1:00:02
  are on my mind. I like that, it's fun.
• 1:00:05
  I enjoy it and I recorded these bird sounds like I went out into
• 1:00:09
  the wild in Australia with a microphone and now I superimpose
• 1:00:13
  that onto the back of the audio so it's like my voice and then
• 1:00:17
  birds. That's great.
• 1:00:18
  And it's relaxing. I hope that's the.
• 1:00:20
  You're gonna have to get some British birds too.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah, I know, I know. I've been meaning to do.
• 1:00:24
  That I don't mean women. Jesus again, all these letters.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous, the letters.
• 1:00:35
  And the emails. The emails and the.
• 1:00:37
  Letters. Telegraphs.
• 1:00:38
  Yeah, yeah. So anything else?
• 1:00:41
  Any gigs coming up? Yeah, I've got AI, don't know
• 1:00:44
  when this comes out, but I'm doing a work in progress show in
• 1:00:47
  London on the 20th of November and then I've got all these
• 1:00:50
  Australia dates on sale for 2026, which is all on
• 1:00:56
  lewisgarnham.com, which is my Lewis.
• 1:00:58
  Garnham.com Wow. That's all and it's all there.
• 1:01:02
  And there'll be more shows added to that, you know, for eternity,
• 1:01:06
  always, there'll be more stuff added.
• 1:01:08
  So if you ever want to see me live, lewiscanum.com is where
• 1:01:12
  you'll. And he's in it to win it.
• 1:01:14
  I'm in it. He's not doing anything else.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
• 1:01:18
  Comedy all the way. Comedy all the way.
• 1:01:20
  And look for his new show in 2027.
• 1:01:23
  Fuck, fuck, fuck you, fuck you. Fuck this fuck.
• 1:01:29
  This. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be
• 1:01:30
  big. Thanks for coming on.
• 1:01:32
  Thanks so much, Rich. Yeah, I really loved.
• 1:01:34
  It I'm perfectly happy with what I just saw.
• 1:01:40
  So listen, if you want to see Lewis, check out his website.
• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:52
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• 1:02:05
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