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Mega Edition: Alex Cox And His Role In The Murder Of Tylee And JJ (9/16/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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Speaker 1: this episode we're going to talk about the relationship between
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and her brother Alex Cox and how that
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Speaker 1: relationship was batshit insane. It was filled with all kinds
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Speaker 1: of inappropriate touching, all kinds of inappropriate commentary. And it
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Speaker 1: seems like, at least from the outside looking in, and
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Speaker 1: from the information we're getting from people that were close
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Speaker 1: to them, that Alex Cox had some kind of weird
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Speaker 1: fixation with his sister. I mean, take it easy, Jamie Lannister.
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Speaker 1: And frankly, not for nothing, but the whole entire Cox family,
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Speaker 1: Lori's whole family, seems a bit strange to me. You
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Speaker 1: had her mom out there in that documentary, Sins of
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Speaker 1: Our Mother, you know, defending Lori Vallow. This lady killed
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Speaker 1: your grandkids. What are you talking about defending her? I
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Speaker 1: don't care if she's your child or not. You can
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Speaker 1: still love her, but to defend her? It is just bizarre.
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Speaker 1: And the more we learn about the family dynamic, the
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Speaker 1: more bizarre it all becomes. So today we have an
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Speaker 1: article from the U.S. Sun and the headline, Twisted Siblings.
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Speaker 1: Inside cult mom Lori Vallow's disturbing relationship, with her brother,
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Speaker 1: as book claims, he tried to have sex with her. Well,
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Speaker 1: that certainly brings a whole new meaning to Family Affair, huh?
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Luke Kenton, and it was
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Speaker 1: originally published on January 22nd of 2022. Lori Vallow's alleged
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Speaker 1: hitman brother once tried to have sex with her when
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Speaker 1: she was in seventh grade and was fixated on her,
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Speaker 1: according to a new book. Lori, 48, reportedly said, had
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Speaker 1: a significant hold over her older brother, Alex Cox, true
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Speaker 1: crime author John Glatt says in his new book, The
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Speaker 1: Doomsday Mother. I actually just picked this book up on Audible,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to get started listening to it probably
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Speaker 1: later on today at some point, hopefully. Friends of the
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Speaker 1: so-called cult mom reportedly told Glatt that when she would
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Speaker 1: say jump, her sibling would ask how high. Others told
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Speaker 1: Glatt that Alex Cox had a strange preoccupation with Lori
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Speaker 1: and would do anything for her, including allegedly killing her
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Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Vallow, and two of her children, JJ
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Speaker 1: and Tylee, at her direction.
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Speaker 2: And this is what I think happened.
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Speaker 1: I think that Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell gave the
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Speaker 1: commands to Alex Cox to do this, and because of
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Speaker 1: his fixation with his sister, because of his fascination with
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Speaker 1: his sister, he was more than willing to do it.
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Speaker 1: And I also believe that Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow
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Speaker 1: Daybell were both witness and present when those children were murdered.
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Speaker 1: But I think that it was Alex Cox who actually
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Speaker 1: carried out the murders themselves. And we already know from
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Speaker 1: Lori's own words that Alex was her quote-unquote hitman. Alex,
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Speaker 1: who died suddenly in December of 2019, just two months
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Speaker 1: after JJ and Tylee were last seen alive, had reportedly
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Speaker 1: developed an obsession for Lori from an early age, possibly
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Speaker 1: to an incestual degree. Well, there's no doubt when you
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Speaker 1: hear all of the stories from all of the people
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Speaker 1: that knew them, and you look at the way this
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Speaker 1: dude behaved, that it was certainly a very, very bizarre relationship.
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Speaker 1: A childhood best friend of Lori's, identified under the pseudonym
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Speaker 1: Rose Vaughn in Glatt's book, told the author how Alex
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Speaker 1: gave her the creeps growing up, and how he seemed
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Speaker 1: fixated on his younger sister. When Lori and I were
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Speaker 1: in the pool, he was always watching us, and I
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Speaker 1: didn't like that. Rose remembered of Alex, who was five
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Speaker 1: years Lori's senior. So right off the bat, imagine being
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Speaker 1: the parents of some dude who was infatuated with his sister.
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Speaker 1: Just bizarre behavior all around, and you can't tell me
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Speaker 1: that the other family members didn't recognize it if all
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Speaker 1: of these other people did, her friend did. You mean
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Speaker 1: to tell me you don't know that your son is
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Speaker 1: a little pervert? I don't buy it. Sexual Advances One
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Speaker 1: night when they were in seventh grade, Rose recalled how
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Speaker 1: she had been sitting in Vallow's bedroom when she suddenly
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Speaker 1: burst into tears and blurted out that Alex had been
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Speaker 1: making sexual advances on her. We grew up together, so
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Speaker 1: we talked about everything, Rose said. Suddenly, Lori was crying
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Speaker 1: and emotional, and she just said, Alex is trying to
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Speaker 1: have sex with me.
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Speaker 2: What can I do?
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Speaker 1: Rose said she comforted Lori, who never spoke of the
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Speaker 1: apparent advances to her, again. My guess is, and look,
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Speaker 1: I have zero evidence to back this up, but my
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Speaker 1: guess is it went further than advances.
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Speaker 2: How far, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But somebody like Alex Cox, who has these kinds of thoughts,
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Speaker 1: and who is harboring these kinds of disgusting fantasies, to
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Speaker 1: the point where he's soliciting his own sister for sex,
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Speaker 1: I would have to think that he's willing to take
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Speaker 1: it a step further. While it's unclear if Alex continued
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Speaker 1: to pursue Lori sexually as a child, his obsession with
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Speaker 1: her would continue for several more decades. With other friends
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Speaker 1: of the family voicing concerns over the pair's strange bond
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Speaker 1: and behavior, years later. So look, again, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what happened in those bedrooms with Lori Vallow and Alex Cox,
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Speaker 1: but it all looks very suspect to me. And the
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Speaker 1: relationship that they had, according to all of their friends
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Speaker 1: and family that have come out and talked to this
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Speaker 1: author and other people, it all looks real Lannister-esque to me.
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Speaker 1: Mary Tracy, a former friend of Alex Cox, said she
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Speaker 1: witnessed something odd in the summer of 2008 when she
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Speaker 1: accompanied Cox to Lori's home for a family gathering. The
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Speaker 1: gathering was held shortly after Cox was released from prison,
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Speaker 1: having served 90 days in prison for attacking Lori's third husband,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, with a stun gun and threatening to murder him.
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Speaker 1: So again, we see the pattern, right? Doing Lori's dirty work.
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Speaker 1: And how does Lori manipulate him? Well, probably by leading
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Speaker 1: him on. Cox had reportedly become obsessed with the idea
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Speaker 1: that Ryan was sexually abusing Tylee, a lie that had
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Speaker 1: repeatedly been fed to him by Lori. Mary said that
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Speaker 1: prior to the gathering, she had been intrigued to meet
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Speaker 1: Lori as Alex often spoke about her and she was
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Speaker 1: puzzled by their unusual relationship. Brothers fixation. Remembering it to
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Speaker 1: be a hot Sunday afternoon, Mary said she walked into
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Speaker 1: the home to find Lori parading around the house in
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Speaker 1: a skimpy bikini in front of a fascinated Alex, as
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Speaker 1: Tylee and JJ followed closely behind her. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess that's normal behavior for some people, but you have
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Speaker 1: a little boy as a kid, your son or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if parading around the house in front
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Speaker 1: of your brother and your son in a bikini.
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Speaker 2: Is the right way to go about it. I just
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Speaker 2: thought it was odd, Mary said.
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Speaker 1: She looked great, but I've never actually been around someone
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Speaker 1: who walked around the house in a bikini. I remember
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Speaker 1: feeling that Lori was high maintenance. Years later, in early 2015,
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Speaker 1: Alex had flown out to visit his sister in Kauai,
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Speaker 1: and Lori brought him into her church to meet the congregation. Earlier,
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Speaker 1: Lori had told her friend, April Raymond, how Alex had
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Speaker 1: tried to kill her ex-husband on her behalf and had
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Speaker 1: gone to jail for his efforts. She was like proud
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Speaker 1: of that, right? She always crowed about it. She was
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Speaker 1: always talking about how, you know, her brother was her
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Speaker 1: quote-unquote hitman. So this relationship was bizarro to the max.
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Speaker 1: Alex admitted to trying to kill Joseph Ryan. April told Glatt,
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Speaker 1: that's when I started feeling like this is something very wrong.
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Speaker 1: He was very loyal to Lori and would do anything
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Speaker 1: she asked him to. April said she spent the remainder
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Speaker 1: of Alex's visit trying to avoid him. remembering Cox as
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Speaker 1: socially awkward and a little off. She said he appeared
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Speaker 1: to be fascinated by the fact that she, like Lori,
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Speaker 1: had blonde hair and would often ask intimate questions to
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Speaker 1: see how she measured up to his younger sister. Alex
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Speaker 1: seemed to have a very strange preoccupation with Lori, April said.
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Speaker 1: He would want to know things like how much I
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Speaker 1: weighed or what my ring size was or what my
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Speaker 1: shoe size was and then compare it to Lori. And
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Speaker 1: that just made me feel very uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think? Holy cow. Could this dude be any
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Speaker 2: more of a weirdo?
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Speaker 1: Ex-wife recalls sexual touching.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice.
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Speaker 1: Another juicy headline for us, huh? Another person to voice
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Speaker 1: discomfort over Alex and Lori's strange relationship was an ex-wife
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Speaker 1: of Cox who, in an interview with police in September
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Speaker 1: of 2020, claimed the two siblings would touch one another sexually.
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Speaker 1: How fucking gross. I mean, I know I keep saying that,
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Speaker 1: but ew. The woman identified only as Debbie in police
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Speaker 1: reports told a detective with the Chandler Police Department in
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Speaker 1: Arizona that Alex and Lori would simulate sex acts in
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Speaker 1: front of her and the rest of the family. So
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Speaker 1: the rest of the family can't act like they had
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Speaker 1: no idea. And I'm telling you, when I watched that
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Speaker 1: documentary and I saw the way that Lori Vallow's mom
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Speaker 1: was acting, I knew that we were dealing with a
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Speaker 1: pretty odd family from the very jump. For example, Debbie said,
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Speaker 1: according to transcripts of the call, he would pick her
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Speaker 1: up and she would wrap her legs around his waist
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Speaker 1: and he would kind of bounce her up and down
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Speaker 1: on himself in front of me and they would moan
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Speaker 1: and simulate sex acts. Absolutely normal behavior, folks. Nothing weird
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Speaker 1: going on here. I mean, it's just the way it goes.
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Speaker 1: You see your sister, you pick her up, and then
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Speaker 1: you guys simulate some sex acts in front of a
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Speaker 1: bunch of people. He also talked about how she was
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Speaker 1: hot and he sexualized her quite a bit. bit. He
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Speaker 1: did touch her breast and things. Debbie also told the
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Speaker 1: officer that Cox and Lori's parents would constantly talk about
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Speaker 1: their sex life in front of the family, saying it
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Speaker 1: seemed kind of like a game for them. She said
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Speaker 1: the family had no shame and acted this way whenever
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Speaker 1: they were together. The strange dynamic is what led Debbie
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Speaker 1: to leave Alex just months after their marriage, she said.
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Speaker 1: Alex and I only lived together for about four or
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Speaker 1: five months, and then I just knew that that family
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Speaker 1: was too weird and that I had made a big mistake,
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Speaker 1: so I got out of there, Debbie said. She then
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Speaker 1: described Alex as a really, really protective big brother who
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Speaker 1: often sexualized her. Debbie claimed that she once confronted Alex
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Speaker 1: over his apparent affinity for Lori, asking if they were
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Speaker 1: having sex. In response, Alex reportedly accused her of being
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Speaker 1: weird for thinking it was weird. Imagine being mad at somebody,
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Speaker 1: your wife, for saying to you, hey, are you taking
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Speaker 1: your sister to pound town? And all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: you're the asshole for asking the question? You want to
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Speaker 1: talk about a master class in gaslighting, folks?
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Speaker 2: There it is. Thick as thieves.
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Speaker 1: While the true extent of the siblings' bond may never
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Speaker 1: be known, whatever obsession Cox had for Lori saw him
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Speaker 1: shoot her fourth husband, Charles Vallow, dead in July of 2019.
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Speaker 1: Cox claimed at the time that he had acted in
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Speaker 1: self-defense after Charles came at him with a baseball bat.
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Speaker 1: Police initially ruled that Cox had acted in self-defense, but
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Speaker 1: the case was reopened when JJ and Tylee were reported
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Speaker 1: missing in Idaho in November of 2019. Now, prosecutors say
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Speaker 1: Cox killed Charles Vallow at the direction of Lori. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened, as we all know. We know that
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Speaker 1: Cox flew out there at the behest of Lori and
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Speaker 1: killed Charles Vallow so that Lori can go and live
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Speaker 1: with Shrek Daybell. It's relatively transparent to anyone who's paying attention.
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Speaker 1: For months, Laurie's fifth husband, Doomsday author Chad Daybell, had
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Speaker 1: been pining over him, telling him he'd been a special
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Speaker 1: protector to important figures in his past life. Chad also
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Speaker 1: told Cox that he had been put on this earth
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Speaker 1: to protect Laurie from zombies, which he deemed to be
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Speaker 1: people that had apparently lost their souls and been overtaken
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Speaker 1: by evil spirits. After Charles Vallow's death, Glatt claims that
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Speaker 1: Cox was enlisted to serve as Laurie and Chad's personal
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Speaker 1: hitman to help rid the world of such so-called evil spirits,
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Speaker 1: including Laurie's children, 7-year-old JJ and 17-year-old Tylee. Alex was
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Speaker 1: only too willing to kill for Laurie and Chad's divine
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Speaker 1: mission and started going to a local gun range to
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Speaker 1: improve his shooting. Glatt writes in his new book, Just
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Speaker 1: two months later, Tylee and JJ would be seen alive
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Speaker 1: for the last time. And I know that Alex Cox's
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Speaker 1: death was ruled due to natural causes, but the fact
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Speaker 1: that he had that Narcan in his system, I just
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Speaker 1: can't kick the thought that something more sinister went on here.
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Speaker 2: Butchered and burned.
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Speaker 1: The last known sighting of Tylee came during a trip
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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone National Park on September 8th, 2019, while JJ
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Speaker 1: was last seen on September 23rd. being carried by Alex
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Speaker 1: Cox as he slept in his arms. Think about how
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Speaker 1: disgustingly devious that is. This man, his uncle, carrying him
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Speaker 1: as he's sleeping, smiling in pictures with him, only to
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Speaker 1: turn around and kill him because he's some kind of
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Speaker 1: zombie because Chad Daybell says so? Their bodies were found
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Speaker 1: nine months later, buried in a pet cemetery on Chad
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Speaker 1: Daybell's property in Salem, Idaho. Investigators allege that the two
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Speaker 1: children were killed by Alex Cox, at the direction of
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Speaker 1: Lori and Chad. The FBI discovered Cox had been at
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Speaker 1: the Daybell property on both September 9th and 23rd. JJ's
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Speaker 1: body was discovered first. The young boy was autistic and
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Speaker 1: found wrapped from head to toe in duct tape and stuffed.
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Speaker 2: In garbage bags.
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Speaker 1: The hatred I have for these people, the Daybells and
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox, burns hotter than a thousand suns. Tylee, meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: had been dismembered and burned in Daybell's fire pit before
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Speaker 1: her charred bones were disposed of in a shallow grave.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors allege that Daybell, who for years had worked on
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Speaker 1: and off as a grave digger, had put his skills
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Speaker 1: to use to help Cox dispose of the children's bodies.
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Speaker 1: Daybell's wife Tammy also suddenly passed away in October of 2019,
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Speaker 1: in her sleep, two weeks before Vallow and Daybell tied
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Speaker 1: the knot in Hawaii. Her death was initially deemed to
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Speaker 1: be the result of natural causes, but is now considered suspicious.
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Speaker 1: No cause of death has ever been made public, but
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Speaker 1: Glatt notes that first responders observed a pink foam pouring
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Speaker 1: from her mouth.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really?
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Speaker 1: Natural causes, but pink foam coming from her mouth?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess.
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox then died on December 12th, 2019, the day
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Speaker 1: after Tammy Daybell's body was exhumed for further investigation. He
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Speaker 1: was found unconscious at home, like Tammy, had pink foam
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Speaker 1: coming out of his mouth. Yep, natural causes, folks. Nothing
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Speaker 1: to see here. There was nothing to see here. So
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Speaker 1: why did he have the Narcan in his system in
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Speaker 1: the first place? Someone's going to need to explain that
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Speaker 1: to me in dumb people terms, because I cannot come
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Speaker 1: up with an explanation for why somebody would have Narcan
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Speaker 1: in their system unless they're trying to reverse an opioid overdose.
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Speaker 2: Trial awaits.
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Speaker 1: Both Daybell and Vallow have been charged with conspiracy to
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Speaker 1: commit murder in the September 2019 deaths of Lori's children.
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Speaker 1: The couple faces the same charge in the death of
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Speaker 1: Daybell's previous wife, Tammy Daybell, 49. Lori is also charged
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Speaker 1: in Arizona with conspiring to kill her former estranged husband,
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Speaker 1: Charles Vallow, with the help of her now-deceased brother, Alex Cox.
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Speaker 1: According to GLAT, Vallow continues to write to Daybell and
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Speaker 1: reads his scripture every day. Chillingly, sources told the author
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Speaker 1: that at night she is often seen on surveillance camera
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Speaker 1: dancing in her cell at night to the music deep
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Speaker 1: inside of her head. Well, I hope she enjoys the
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Speaker 1: jail cell dancing because she's going to be there for
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Speaker 1: the rest of her life. And as far as the
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Speaker 1: relationship between Lori Vallow and her brother, Alex Cox, you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about vomit-inducing grossness? Well, folks, there it
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Speaker 1: is in spades. All right, folks, that's going to do
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Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
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Speaker 1: with the episode can be found in the description box.
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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to talk a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about Lori Valdo's brother, Alex Cox, and his death. Now,
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Speaker 1: when he was found dead, and they did the autopsy,
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Speaker 1: and they did the toxicology report, they found Narcan in
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Speaker 1: his system. Now, you're not going to get high from Narcan.
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Speaker 1: That's not how this works. It doesn't get you stoned.
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Speaker 1: The only reason to administer Narcan is to try and
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Speaker 1: reverse the effects of an opioid overdose. So why did
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox have Narcan in his system? That's a question
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Speaker 1: that has not been answered. And in fact, I don't
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Speaker 1: think too many people are even asking it. But in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, that's something that should be looked at because
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Speaker 1: there's no reason to have Narcan as far as a
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Speaker 1: drug in your body. The only reason for that to
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Speaker 1: be in your blood system is because you or somebody
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Speaker 1: else is trying to reverse the effects of an opioid overdose.
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Speaker 2: So that still has to be explained.
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Speaker 1: But today, we're going to go back in time to
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Speaker 1: May 8th, 2020, to right after Alex Cox died. And
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Speaker 1: we have an article from the Gephardt Daily. Headline, Coroner's
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Speaker 1: Report Released on Alex Cox, Lori Vallow Daybell's Brother, Family Reacts.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by the Gephardt Daily staff. Alex Cox,
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Speaker 1: the brother of Lori Vallow Daybell, and the confessed killer
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Speaker 1: of her then-husband, Charles Vallow, had blood clots in his lungs,
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Speaker 1: high blood pressure, and died of natural causes. That's according
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Speaker 1: to a report released Friday from the Maricopa County Medical Examiner. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so what about the Narcan? If he died of natural causes...
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Speaker 1: And I'm not disputing that he had these medical issues,
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Speaker 1: but that still does not explain the Narcan. And until
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Speaker 1: somebody can explain why that was in his system, then
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have some questions about his manner of death.
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Speaker 1: And it sure is convenient for Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? Somebody to pin this all on who's dead,
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Speaker 1: nobody that can defend themselves. That's called the perfect fall guy.
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Speaker 1: Cox told officers he fatally shot Vallow in self-defense on
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Speaker 1: July 11th of 2019. Then, Cox himself died months later
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Speaker 1: on December 12th. The cause of Cox's death sparked speculation
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Speaker 1: due to the investigation of Lori Vallow Daybell's missing children, J.J. Vallow, 7,
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Speaker 1: and Tylee Ryan, age 17. Now remember, this article is
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Speaker 1: from 2020, so this is before the dam really broke.
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Speaker 1: Then there's the suspicious death of Tammy Daybell, who died
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Speaker 1: on October 19th, 2019, exactly 14 days before her widower,
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Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, married the newly widowed Lori Vallow. Tammy Daybell's
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Speaker 1: cause of death is under investigation and classified as suspicious. Now,
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Speaker 1: we know that they've ruled that a murder, and we
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Speaker 1: also know that Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell are on
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Speaker 1: the hook for Tammy's murder. The biggest question what happened
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Speaker 1: to JJ and Tylee, remains unanswered. And Vallow Daybell sits
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Speaker 1: in an Idaho jail, unable to raise the $ 1 million
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Speaker 1: bail the judge set and has declined to reduce. But
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Speaker 1: Cox's autopsy report answers at least one of the dozen
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Speaker 1: questions surrounding the case.
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Speaker 2: Not for me, it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I have a problem with a lot
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Speaker 1: of these medical examiners in general. It seems like every
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Speaker 1: time we cover one of these cases, the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: is stepping on their own dick and has no idea
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Speaker 1: what they're even talking about. go back to Epstein, go
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Speaker 1: to Kathy Mabit in Idaho as well. And it seems
20:28
Speaker 1: like one out of three of these medical examiners we
20:31
Speaker 1: talk about doesn't know their ass from their elbow, never
20:34
Speaker 1: mind being in the position of being the medical examiner.
20:39
Speaker 1: Cox 51 was found unresponsive on his bathroom floor and
20:43
Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the hospital December 12th, 2019. An article
20:48
Speaker 1: by East Idaho News says the medical examiner has been
20:51
Speaker 1: working on the case for months and on Friday released
20:54
Speaker 1: a seven-page report along with a four-page toxicology summary in
20:59
Speaker 1: relation to the investigation. Maricopa County Medical Examiner Leslie Walls
21:05
Speaker 1: said Cox died of bilateral pulmonary thrombombole, meaning blood clots
21:11
Speaker 1: got wedged into arteries of his lungs. Wallace determined atherosclerotic
21:17
Speaker 1: and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, meaning plaque buildup in the arteries
21:23
Speaker 1: leading to high blood pressure, also contributed to his death. Contributed, huh?
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm sure it had nothing to do with Alex Cox
21:31
Speaker 1: using opiates. What the report says. The medical examiner's report
21:36
Speaker 1: shows detectives wrote that Cox complained of shortness of breath
21:39
Speaker 1: and chest pain for about a week before being found unresponsive.
21:43
Speaker 1: The article says, On December 12th, he was found unconscious
21:47
Speaker 1: in his bathroom, according to a 911 call obtained by
21:51
Speaker 1: East Idaho News. First responders were called and rushed Cox
21:55
Speaker 1: to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Cox's wife
21:59
Speaker 1: of two weeks, Zaluma Pastanis, told investigators he had no
22:03
Speaker 1: prior medical history and did not take any regular medications,
22:08
Speaker 1: according to the report. But he had all these medical issues,
22:11
Speaker 1: he had all of these blood clots. I guess it
22:13
Speaker 1: could have been undiagnosed, there's no doubt, but come on.
22:17
Speaker 1: I think that there are way too many coincidences here
22:20
Speaker 1: and way too many things that line up in the
22:22
Speaker 1: favor of Lori Vallow Daybell and Chad Daybell for us
22:26
Speaker 1: to just think that this was a death by natural cause.
22:31
Speaker 1: The medical examiner performed extensive tests, including a toxicology report,
22:36
Speaker 1: which showed caffeine and a drug called Narcan in his system.
22:40
Speaker 1: First responders give Narcan to non-responsive people to reverse the
22:44
Speaker 1: effects of an opioid overdose. So what's the deal here?
22:50
Speaker 1: And unless somebody explains this Narcan to me, I'm going
22:53
Speaker 1: to go under the impression that something else was going on.
22:56
Speaker 1: Because again, you're not going to get high from Narcan.
22:59
Speaker 1: So you're not just going to take it just to
23:01
Speaker 1: take it. It's not like Suboxone where you take that
23:04
Speaker 1: and you actually get high or methadone where you can
23:07
Speaker 1: actually get a buzz. That's not how Narcan works. Narcan
23:11
Speaker 1: reverses the effects of opioids. So they need to explain
23:14
Speaker 1: why that Narcan was in his system. Why such a
23:18
Speaker 1: deep look at Alex? Months after Cox shot Charles Vallow,
23:22
Speaker 1: he said in self-defense, Cox moved into a rented townhouse
23:26
Speaker 1: near that of Lori, JJ, and Tylee. The children disappeared
23:30
Speaker 1: in September and Cox was seen in the last known
23:33
Speaker 1: photos of Tylee at Yellowstone National Park. And look, I've
23:37
Speaker 1: said it once and I'll say it again. I think
23:40
Speaker 1: that Alex Cox played a role in what happened to
23:43
Speaker 1: these kids. It's the nature of that role that still
23:46
Speaker 1: has to be determined. But it certainly would be in
23:48
Speaker 1: character for Alex to be the one to murder the
23:51
Speaker 1: children at the request of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow,
23:56
Speaker 1: because that seems to be the way things worked. Lori
23:59
Speaker 1: and Chad were, you know, the brain structure, if you will,
24:02
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. And Alex was
24:05
Speaker 1: the enforcer. That's what Lori called him. She called him
24:09
Speaker 1: her enforcer, her hitman, whatever it was she called him.
24:12
Speaker 1: But either way, you get the point. And when we're
24:15
Speaker 1: talking about a guy like Alex, he was a true
24:18
Speaker 1: believer in all of this too. So do we really
24:21
Speaker 1: think that it's too far of a bridge for us
24:23
Speaker 1: to travel to think that he was involved in the
24:26
Speaker 1: killing of these children and then he killed himself in
24:30
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that? I don't think that's that big
24:32
Speaker 1: of a reach, honestly. And until somebody can explain the Narcan,
24:37
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's what happens. Surveillance video obtained by East
24:42
Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com shows him visiting a Rexburg storage
24:45
Speaker 1: facility in October with his sister and by himself several times.
24:50
Speaker 1: Video in November shows him opening a storage unit with
24:53
Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, Lori's new husband.
24:56
Speaker 2: So they were very close, right? We know that.
25:00
Speaker 1: Alex Cox played a huge role in everything that was
25:03
Speaker 1: going on with this doomsday cult that they were putting together.
25:07
Speaker 1: And his new wife, Zaluma, she was down with the
25:10
Speaker 1: nonsense as well. So everybody around them was buying into
25:13
Speaker 1: this cult nonsense that Chad Daybell came up with. I mean,
25:17
Speaker 1: if they wanted to roleplay, they should have just played
25:19
Speaker 1: Dungeons & Dragons. Saved everybody a lot of trouble and
25:22
Speaker 1: those kids would have still been alive because that's basically
25:25
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They're just LARPing like they're these
25:28
Speaker 1: religious figures. It's so bizarre to me that anyone could
25:31
Speaker 1: actually believe for one second that they're going to show
25:34
Speaker 1: up and be the leader of 144,000 Christians who weren't
25:39
Speaker 1: taken in the rapture.
25:40
Speaker 2: I mean, really? You really believe that?
25:42
Speaker 1: And when talking about Daybell, Chad and Lori and all
25:45
Speaker 1: of the people around them, they did believe it. Cox
25:49
Speaker 1: was never charged with any crimes, but a private investigator
25:52
Speaker 1: believes he fired a shot at Brandon Boudreau, the ex-husband
25:56
Speaker 1: of Lori Daybell's niece, Melanie Boudreau. Gilbert police are still investigating,
26:01
Speaker 1: according to Gilbert police spokeswoman, Danny Covey. Family reacts. Alex's
26:07
Speaker 1: family issued a statement to EastIdahoNews.com through their attorney, Robert Jarvis,
26:12
Speaker 1: and Garrett L. Smith. Alex's widow, Zaluma Pastines, along with
26:17
Speaker 1: his mother, Janice Cox, sister, Summer Shifflett, and his niece,
26:21
Speaker 1: Melanie Palowowski, are pleased to see the report confirms what
26:26
Speaker 1: they knew and maintained since Alec's death on December 12th, 2019.
26:31
Speaker 1: They're like doing a victory lap because this dude died
26:34
Speaker 1: like this? Oh, we told you he died of natural causes. Well,
26:38
Speaker 1: I still don't buy it.
26:39
Speaker 2: How about that?
26:40
Speaker 1: In interviews with many news agencies, the family stated numerous
26:44
Speaker 1: times what they know to be true. Alec's death had
26:47
Speaker 1: no sinister aspect. With a degree of vindication, the family
26:51
Speaker 1: hopes that confirmation of this truth will help all step back,
26:55
Speaker 1: take a breath, and allow the truth to unfold through
26:58
Speaker 1: the process. Rampant rumors of evil plots and conspiracy rob
27:03
Speaker 1: the family of their time to grieve the loss of
27:05
Speaker 1: their husband, son, brother, and uncle. Even so, the family
27:09
Speaker 1: finds comfort in the medical examiner's findings that Alex Cox
27:13
Speaker 1: died of natural causes. Imagine putting out that statement The
27:19
Speaker 1: media is running rampant about evil conspiracies. Well, where are
27:22
Speaker 1: the kids, you stupid fucks? You want people to stop
27:25
Speaker 1: asking questions? Real simple, produce those children. But they couldn't
27:28
Speaker 1: do that, right? Because they killed them. And as far
27:31
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, I'm not convinced about Alex Cox. And
27:36
Speaker 1: until somebody explains that Narcan, that's going to be the
27:38
Speaker 1: hill your boy's sitting on. All right, folks, that's going
27:42
Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
27:44
Speaker 1: that goes with the episode can be found in the
27:47
Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to the program.
27:52
Speaker 1: When we're talking about Lori Vallow, the one thing that
27:55
Speaker 1: I really wish would have happened would have been Alex
27:58
Speaker 1: Cox still alive to face justice. This is a man
28:02
Speaker 1: that played a very crucial role in what happened to
28:05
Speaker 1: those children. And it's my opinion that he's the one
28:08
Speaker 1: that actually did the dirty work, if you will, and
28:12
Speaker 1: killed those children. But he died of a heart attack
28:16
Speaker 1: or a blood clot, they say. a day after all
28:19
Speaker 1: of this was about to really crack off. Now, I
28:22
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that, that his death was
28:25
Speaker 1: due to natural causes, but that's what the official report says,
28:29
Speaker 1: so who am I to challenge that? I certainly wasn't there.
28:32
Speaker 1: I'm not a medical examiner, so I'm only going on
28:35
Speaker 1: a hunch. And when I think about somebody dying of
28:40
Speaker 1: a heart condition or a blood clot, Very rarely do
28:43
Speaker 1: you hear about them having Narcan in their system as well. Unless,
28:47
Speaker 1: of course, they were taking opiates and they were suffering
28:50
Speaker 1: from an overdose and somebody administered that Narcan to try
28:54
Speaker 1: and reverse the overdose. And using Occam's razor, who was
28:59
Speaker 1: the person that administered that Narcan? Well, who was his
29:02
Speaker 1: wife at the time? Zulima Pastanis, right? So did she
29:06
Speaker 1: give him that Narcan? I guess we'll never know. because
29:10
Speaker 1: people like Zulema and the rest of the cohorts who
29:13
Speaker 1: are all hanging out here, they're not going to get
29:15
Speaker 1: in trouble for this. They're not going to have to
29:17
Speaker 1: answer any more questions, maybe during the Chad Daybell portion
29:21
Speaker 1: of the trial, but none of them are in jeopardy
29:23
Speaker 1: of getting in trouble. But as far as Alex Cox
29:27
Speaker 1: goes and his death, I think that there's a lot
29:29
Speaker 1: more there than we've been told. Today we have an
29:33
Speaker 1: article from The Independent and the headline Lori Vallow had
29:37
Speaker 1: two alleged accomplices in her children's murders. One will never
29:41
Speaker 1: face justice. This article was authored by Rachel Sharp. More
29:47
Speaker 1: than three years after her children, JJ Vallow, 7, and
29:50
Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan, 16, were brutally murdered and dumped in shallow
29:55
Speaker 1: graves on her new lover's property, Lori Vallow has finally
29:59
Speaker 1: been held to account. It seemed like it took forever.
30:02
Speaker 1: But the wheels of justice, we all know, they grind slowly.
30:06
Speaker 1: But when they finally get around the grind in your ass, well,
30:09
Speaker 1: it's no fun. And Lori Vallow just found that out.
30:13
Speaker 1: After the train of justice just obliterated her ass and
30:16
Speaker 1: sent her to prison for the rest of her miserable life.
30:20
Speaker 1: The 49-year-old mother of three was found guilty on Friday,
30:24
Speaker 1: May 12th, of the murders of her two children. as
30:27
Speaker 1: well as conspiracy to murder them and Chad Daybell's first wife,
30:31
Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. Now that she is facing life in prison
30:35
Speaker 1: for her crimes, attention turns to Mr. Daybell, who has
30:38
Speaker 1: been behind bars awaiting trial since June of 2020. The
30:43
Speaker 1: Doomsday Book author is also charged with conspiracy to murder,
30:47
Speaker 1: as well as first-degree murder of all three victims. After
30:51
Speaker 1: his case was severed from Valos just weeks before the
30:54
Speaker 1: trial was due to start in April, Mr. Daybell is
30:58
Speaker 1: now expected to have his day in court in June
31:01
Speaker 1: of 2024. And as much as I'm looking forward to
31:05
Speaker 1: Chad Daybell getting the death penalty here, I'm certainly not
31:09
Speaker 1: looking forward to reliving all of that evidence that we
31:12
Speaker 1: just had to go through. The way that those kids
31:14
Speaker 1: were treated, the way that their bodies were found, absolutely gruesome.
31:20
Speaker 1: But what about the one that got away? The doomsday
31:23
Speaker 1: cult couple had a third, lesser known, alleged accomplice, who
31:27
Speaker 1: also conspired with them to kill as part of their
31:30
Speaker 1: bizarre cult beliefs and for monetary greed. That's really what
31:35
Speaker 1: it came down to. The religious stuff was convenient, and
31:38
Speaker 1: it was used as a vehicle to mask their real intentions,
31:42
Speaker 1: which were money, power, and sex, the same way the
31:46
Speaker 1: prosecutors laid it out in their opening statement. That third
31:49
Speaker 1: co-conspirator was Vallow's brother, Alex Cox. A man who can
31:54
Speaker 1: never be brought to justice as he mysteriously dropped dead
31:57
Speaker 1: as the net closed in. It sure is convenient that
32:01
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, old boy has a heart attack,
32:03
Speaker 1: blood clot, whatever, and drops dead. As soon as the
32:06
Speaker 1: net is closing in, as soon as the authorities are
32:09
Speaker 1: coming to get his ass, he happens to drop dead
32:11
Speaker 1: of a heart attack. I'm sorry, I just do not
32:14
Speaker 1: buy it. And if it wasn't for the Narcan found
32:16
Speaker 1: in his system, I'd be a lot more inclined to
32:19
Speaker 1: believe this part of the story. But with that Narcan
32:22
Speaker 1: in his system, I'm going to need a full-on explanation
32:26
Speaker 1: about all of that before I get on board with
32:28
Speaker 1: the fact that he died of natural causes, because that
32:32
Speaker 1: doesn't add up. It never has, and it never will.
32:36
Speaker 1: Cox mysteriously died in December 2019 at the age of 51.
32:41
Speaker 1: His death has been ruled natural causes, with indications of
32:44
Speaker 1: a blood clot wedged in the arteries of his lungs. However,
32:49
Speaker 1: the overdose drug, Narcan, was also found in his system.
32:53
Speaker 1: The timing of his death was especially curious, and that's
32:56
Speaker 1: really where it's at for me, the timing of it
32:58
Speaker 1: and the Narcan. If those two can be explained, great,
33:01
Speaker 1: I'm all ears. But so far, I haven't seen any
33:04
Speaker 1: kind of explanation that makes any of this make sense.
33:09
Speaker 1: It was five months after Cox shot dead Vallow's fourth husband,
33:13
Speaker 1: Charles Vallow. It was two months after the children's murders,
33:17
Speaker 1: one month after Tammy's murder, and it was just hours
33:20
Speaker 1: after Tammy's body was exhumed by investigators who had become
33:24
Speaker 1: increasingly suspicious about her death. So look at all of
33:28
Speaker 1: those facts, all of that stuff, and then you tell
33:30
Speaker 1: me that his death was just natural and it just
33:34
Speaker 1: happened to occur right when Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
33:38
Speaker 1: needed him to die the most. Cox has taken his
33:41
Speaker 1: story about what happened to the grave, but What part
33:45
Speaker 1: did he play in this shocking, tragic saga of murder, death,
33:49
Speaker 1: and doomsday beliefs? Was he an equal co-conspirator along with Mr.
33:54
Speaker 1: Vallow and Mr. Daybell? Or was he, in fact, as
33:58
Speaker 1: he feared, the fall guy used by the doomsday couple
34:02
Speaker 1: to keep their own hands clean? I think there was
34:04
Speaker 1: something to that. I think that If all would have
34:08
Speaker 1: stayed equal and Alex Cox didn't die and all of
34:11
Speaker 1: this would have went down, I think Chad Daybell and
34:14
Speaker 1: Lori Vallow would have teamed up and pointed the finger
34:18
Speaker 1: at Alex Cox. He was nothing more than a tool,
34:21
Speaker 1: an implement, right? Something to be used by Chad Daybell
34:25
Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow to further their bullshit. Unlike Vallow and Mr. Daybell,
34:31
Speaker 1: where the evidence is largely circumstantial, Cox can be directly
34:35
Speaker 1: placed at most, if not all, of the murders. First,
34:39
Speaker 1: there was the fatal shooting of his sister's fourth husband
34:41
Speaker 1: and JJ's adoptive father, Charles Vallow, whom Cox shot and
34:45
Speaker 1: killed at Vallow's home in Chandler, Arizona, in July of 2019.
34:51
Speaker 1: Cox never denied that it was he who pulled the trigger.
34:54
Speaker 1: He called 911 that day and claimed that he shot
34:57
Speaker 1: Charles when he attacked him with a baseball bat. At
35:00
Speaker 1: the time, the case was closed as self-defense, but after
35:04
Speaker 1: it was reopened, investigators found that the siblings allegedly conspired
35:09
Speaker 1: to kill her husband to get him out of the way,
35:11
Speaker 1: with Vallow now facing charges in Arizona of conspiring with
35:16
Speaker 1: Cox to murder Charles, and she's going to be extradited
35:19
Speaker 1: to Arizona to face these charges after she gets sentenced
35:24
Speaker 1: in Idaho. Then, In the September 2019 murders of JJ
35:29
Speaker 1: and Tylee, Cox's cell phone placed him and him alone
35:33
Speaker 1: at the scene of the crimes. Tylee was last seen
35:36
Speaker 1: alive on September 8th of 2019 when she, JJ Vallow,
35:42
Speaker 1: and Cox visited Yellowstone National Park before the teenager returned
35:46
Speaker 1: to her mother's apartment. Cell phone data presented at Vallow's
35:50
Speaker 1: trial showed Cox at Vallow's apartment for six hours from
35:54
Speaker 1: around 2.45 a.m. on September 9th, behavior that did not
35:59
Speaker 1: match his normal habits. And when they recreate your digital footprint,
36:04
Speaker 1: your digital memory, if you will, all of that stuff
36:07
Speaker 1: plays a part. What are you doing now that's out
36:10
Speaker 1: of character that you weren't doing before all of this happened?
36:14
Speaker 1: And then they use that to help them continue to
36:17
Speaker 1: build the blocks of the foundation that they're going to
36:19
Speaker 1: build the house that eventually gets dropped on your ass.
36:22
Speaker 1: And that's what all of these digital records are. They're
36:25
Speaker 1: just building blocks to sew everything together in a nice,
36:29
Speaker 1: tight little pattern for the prosecution. At 9 a.m., he
36:33
Speaker 1: then left the home and traveled to Mr. Daybell's property,
36:36
Speaker 1: where he stayed until around 11.45 a.m. Minutes later, Mr.
36:40
Speaker 1: Daybell texted his wife, Tammy. that he had shot a
36:44
Speaker 1: raccoon and buried it on their pet cemetery. Imagine this
36:48
Speaker 1: poor little girl is getting buried in your backyard. This
36:51
Speaker 1: poor little boy is being buried in your backyard. And
36:53
Speaker 1: you have the audacity to send your wife a text
36:56
Speaker 1: message talking about you just shot a gigantic raccoon. I mean,
37:01
Speaker 1: for real, I cannot wait for this dude to get
37:04
Speaker 1: convicted and for him to get the death penalty. Nine
37:07
Speaker 1: months later, in June of 2020, Tylee's burned and partly
37:11
Speaker 1: dismembered remains were found buried in that same location on
37:15
Speaker 1: the Pet Cemetery. Days after Tylee's murder, JJ was last
37:19
Speaker 1: seen alive on September 22, 2019, with a photo capturing
37:24
Speaker 1: the little boy in his pajamas at his mom's house.
37:28
Speaker 1: That night, cell phone data showed Cox moving back and
37:31
Speaker 1: forth between his apartment and and Vallow's before once again
37:36
Speaker 1: traveling to Mr. Daybell's property just before 10 a.m. on
37:40
Speaker 1: September 23rd. He stayed just 17 minutes, with the data
37:44
Speaker 1: showing him close to a pond. That same location was
37:47
Speaker 1: where JJ's remains were found buried in a shallow grave
37:51
Speaker 1: months later. And I've said it once, I'll say it again.
37:54
Speaker 1: I think that Chad Daybell prepared the grave sites, and
37:57
Speaker 1: I think that Alex... Cox was the one who carried
38:00
Speaker 1: out the murders, with Lori Vallow being part of the
38:03
Speaker 1: conspiracy in a leadership role. He stayed just 17 minutes,
38:08
Speaker 1: with the data showing him close to a pond. That
38:11
Speaker 1: same location was where JJ's remains were found, buried in
38:14
Speaker 1: a shallow grave months later. Prints on the plastic bag
38:18
Speaker 1: and tape used to smother the boy belonged to his uncle.
38:22
Speaker 1: Cox can also be tied to Tammy's murder with cell
38:25
Speaker 1: phone data placing him near the scene at the time
38:28
Speaker 1: she was killed. Jurors heard how his phone pinged out
38:32
Speaker 1: a church about two miles from Mr. Daybell's property on
38:35
Speaker 1: the night of October 19th, 2019, a location where Cox
38:41
Speaker 1: knew no one else. So when you look at all
38:44
Speaker 1: of the evidence against Cox, I think it's very, very
38:47
Speaker 1: hard to deny his role here and what he was
38:50
Speaker 1: doing with Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. The next morning, Mr.
38:54
Speaker 1: Daybell and one of the couple's sons called 911, reporting
38:58
Speaker 1: that Tammy was dead. While the evidence all points to
39:01
Speaker 1: Cox being directly involved in each of the victim's murders,
39:05
Speaker 1: prosecutors say he was groomed and manipulated to do his
39:09
Speaker 1: sister's bidding. And that certainly all tracks. That all fits.
39:12
Speaker 1: We know that he had some kind of weird fixation
39:16
Speaker 1: with Lori when they were young, and according to sources,
39:19
Speaker 1: was trying to have sexual relations with his own sister.
39:22
Speaker 1: So I could easily see Lori using that later on
39:25
Speaker 1: and manipulating him using whatever charms she thinks are appropriate.
39:20
Speaker 1: They used religion as a tool to manipulate others.
39:22
Speaker 2: Lori manipulated Alex Cox through religion.
39:24
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Rob Woods said, in closing arguments for the state, Mr.
39:41
Speaker 1: Wood pointed to text messages showing how Vallow was grooming
39:44
Speaker 1: her brother, Cox, including one message where she praised his
39:48
Speaker 1: silence with the phrase, Good boy. Imagine your sister hitting
39:52
Speaker 1: you up and talking about, Your niece and nephew, well,
39:55
Speaker 1: they're on this new scale, and I consider them zombies now.
40:00
Speaker 1: The phone would get hung up immediately, I'd hop in
40:02
Speaker 1: the car, and I'd drive directly to my sister's house
40:05
Speaker 1: for a nice chat. Lori Vallow is telling Alex Cox
40:09
Speaker 1: what to do. You never see Alex tell her what
40:12
Speaker 1: to do. She is always telling him what to do,
40:15
Speaker 1: he told jurors, and that's why I say she had
40:17
Speaker 1: a leadership role inside of this conspiracy. It's no different
40:20
Speaker 1: than a mob boss who's telling other people what to do. Hey,
40:23
Speaker 1: John Joe, I want you to go and clip so-and-so. Well,
40:27
Speaker 1: if that guy gets busted, there's a RICO case or whatever,
40:30
Speaker 1: you think the guy who gave the order isn't going
40:32
Speaker 1: to prison? Oh, he's going to prison, believe me. The
40:35
Speaker 1: story went that Vallow and Mr. Daybell were driven by money, power,
40:40
Speaker 1: and sex. and Cox was just brought along for the ride.
40:44
Speaker 1: Beginning in October of 2018, Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
40:48
Speaker 1: set in motion events, Mr.
40:49
Speaker 2: Wood said.
40:50
Speaker 1: Along the way, they included her brother, Alex Cox, to
40:54
Speaker 1: participate in a conspiracy unencumbered and free of obstacles. This
41:00
Speaker 1: plan was driven by Lori Vallow's desire for and use
41:04
Speaker 1: of money, power, and sex. Just before he died, Cox
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Speaker 1: appeared to hint that he felt he had been used
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Speaker 1: by his sister and her new lover. As Tammy's body
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Speaker 1: was being exhumed from the ground, Cox's wife, Zulema Pastanis,
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Speaker 1: testified that he said, I think I'm going to be
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Speaker 1: their fall guy. When she asked him what he would
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Speaker 1: be the fall guy for, he wouldn't say. The next day,
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Speaker 1: he was dead. So again, with this Zulema lady, I
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Speaker 1: really don't know how much I believe her. Now, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying she was involved in murdering these kids, but
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Speaker 1: I have a hard time taking anything this lady says seriously.
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Speaker 1: While both Vallow and Mr. Daybell allegedly collaborated in the
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Speaker 1: heinous plot, the prosecutor said Lori Vallow is the one
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Speaker 1: that ties this all together.
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Speaker 2: She is a killer.
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Speaker 1: Lori is the connection to the deaths, he said. Vallow's attorney, meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: argued that it was Mr. Daybell who was the ringleader
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Speaker 1: of the plot and that everything changed when he came
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Speaker 1: into the mother of three's life. From then on, Ms.
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Speaker 1: Vallow was under the control of the doomsday author, under
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Speaker 1: the spell of the craziness of his cult beliefs. Is
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Speaker 1: Lori a leader or a follower of Chad? She so
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Speaker 1: wants to be a leader, but she's not leading anyone,
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Speaker 1: said defense attorney Jim Archibald, which is not true. She
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Speaker 1: was leading that whole little clique, that whole little crew.
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Speaker 1: She's following Chad. She thinks Chad is following Jesus, but
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Speaker 1: he's not. He's unfortunately being led by the storm. not
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Speaker 1: the first guy to be led by the storm. Curiously,
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Speaker 1: perhaps tellingly, neither side chose to point the finger at
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Speaker 1: the easy target. That is the third alleged accomplice, Alex Cox,
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Speaker 1: at the one co-conspirator who cannot defend himself, who cannot
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Speaker 1: tell his side of the story. Well, I think the
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Speaker 1: evidence has told his side of the story and it's
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Speaker 1: not looking good for Alex Cox. And if he would
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Speaker 1: have lived and he didn't die here, he would have
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Speaker 1: been pointed at by both of them as the man
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Speaker 1: responsible for all of this.
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Speaker 2: But guess what? It wouldn't have worked.
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Speaker 1: They still would have gotten nailed for conspiracy and they
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Speaker 1: all would have went down together as opposed to just
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Speaker 1: Chad Dumbbell and Lori Vallow. So now that Alex Cox
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Speaker 1: is off the table, now that Lori Vallow is in
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Speaker 1: prison for the rest of her life, the focus is
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Speaker 1: directly and squarely on he who should be hit in
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Speaker 1: the face with a shovel and the fact that his
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Speaker 1: conviction is on its way. All right, folks, that's going
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Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
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Speaker 1: that goes with the episode can be found in the
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