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Steve Price | 10 October · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Price. We're going a Friday nights Steve
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Speaker 2: Price with you after a couple of weeks away. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much to Caroline Marcus and James McPherson first
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Speaker 2: sitting in while I was away most of that time,
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Speaker 2: by the way, spent in Italy. And guess what. Most
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Speaker 2: of their energy comes from natural gas and imported diesel
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Speaker 2: to power generators. And we're tearing ourselves apart and trashing
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Speaker 2: our economy amazingly ignorant. We have become coming up on
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Speaker 2: that very issue climate change Minister Chris Bowen being very
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Speaker 2: tricky yesterday with his language in Parliament when he was
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Speaker 2: asked by the Opposition how much farming land and pristine
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Speaker 2: bush is actually going to be trashed by renewables? Victorian
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Speaker 2: Farmers Federation. Brett Hosking with the real story up shortly
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Speaker 2: also tonight the latest out of the Middle East and
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Speaker 2: the ambitious Trump inspired twenty point piece plan. Can it
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Speaker 2: work and will it hold? And what next? Peter Jennings
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Speaker 2: will run his eye over things and I'll play for
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Speaker 2: you comment from the Palestinian side that should worry us
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Speaker 2: all sadly and what next for ex Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 2: Now he's got a new book out, he's got a
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Speaker 2: three part documentary that a lair on Sky on Monday
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Speaker 2: Night at seven point thirty. But what about a political comeback?
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Speaker 2: A return? Could it actually happen? I'll discuss that with
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Speaker 2: our panel later, plus a bizarre idea from rebel politician
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Speaker 2: Bob Catter that you simply will not believe. But first,
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Speaker 2: in Queensland this afternoon, the LNP government announced that coal
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Speaker 2: fired power would be in that state's energy mix for
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Speaker 2: at least wait for it, until the twenty forties, potentially
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Speaker 2: another twenty years. Chris Bowen, I hope you're listening. You're
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Speaker 2: probably not. Queensland's energy Minister, David Jenetski also announced that
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Speaker 2: his state will double with contributions from private interests over
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Speaker 2: ten years. It's gas generation, cole and gas, Chris, to
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Speaker 2: keep the lights on and industry running in Queensland. Now
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Speaker 2: what does that tell? And if anyone thinks other energy
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Speaker 2: rich states, and I mean coal and gas rich, everyone
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Speaker 2: but Victoria who wants to ban even domestic gas being
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Speaker 2: connected and Tazzy that's got a lot of hydro, won't
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Speaker 2: go down the same road. You're kidding yourselves. So we
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Speaker 2: have realistic states, some of them even labor states that
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Speaker 2: realize renewables alone cannot fill the whole of coal and gas.
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Speaker 2: And you know the federal government is delusionally rushing down
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Speaker 2: the wind and solar road, not believing they need those two.
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Speaker 2: But surely even Chris Bowen must be getting worried now.
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Speaker 2: Offshore wind project after wind project has collapsed before even
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Speaker 2: one pylon was planted on the ocean bed. Rural and
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Speaker 2: regional Australians, as we know, are in open revolt against
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Speaker 2: massive solar farms and wind factories in their private properties,
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Speaker 2: and the rest of the world is plunging into new
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Speaker 2: nuclear plants. But here we had Chris Bowen in question
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Speaker 2: time yesterday standing up in Parliament and trying to argue
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Speaker 2: the renewal footprint will not be that large. This is
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Speaker 2: what he had to say when his liberal opposite number
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Speaker 2: nin t and asked if he would be able to
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Speaker 2: actually table a map of those areas of biodiversity and
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Speaker 2: prime agricultural land that would be at risk.
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Speaker 3: So we have a very strict environmental approval regime in place,
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Speaker 3: and if an environment if an application is in the
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Speaker 3: wrong place, it won't be approved, whether it's for renewable
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Speaker 3: energy or anything else, Missus speaker. That's as it should be.
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Speaker 3: We will only approve the minister relevant. Minister will only
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Speaker 3: approve those projects, whether they be renewable or not, that
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Speaker 3: are environmentally sustainable.
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Speaker 2: So bottom line, no map, no map. We won't see
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Speaker 2: a map. Now we'll talk to the Victorian Farmers Federation.
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Speaker 2: As I said, but Chris Bowen has a very short
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Speaker 2: memory if he thinks there is no serious opposition to
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Speaker 2: valuable farmland, food producing land being turned over to massive
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Speaker 2: renewable projects. I mean Anthony Albaneze. He was run out
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Speaker 2: of Ballarat by angry farmers on a tractor a few back.
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Speaker 2: But now finally, thanks to some brave environmentalists like Stephen Nolakowski,
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Speaker 2: who we've seen here on sky with his revealing drone
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Speaker 2: footage of destructive turbine projects in Queensland native forests, plus
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Speaker 2: farmers right around Australia, everyone's waking up the Queensland coal
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Speaker 2: announcement today. It won't be the last desperate change of
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Speaker 2: direction back to reliable sources of baseload power like coal
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Speaker 2: and gas. At some point, maybe at a tipping point really,
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Speaker 2: this stuff hits the road with major industry they've already
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Speaker 2: worn Cambra. The heavy industry will start deserting Australia with
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Speaker 2: power prices for everyday consumers once again with subsiies off
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Speaker 2: going through the roof, and the wider public now realize
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Speaker 2: the potential destruction of untouched native bush. Remember that no
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Speaker 2: one was ever allowed to log camber. Might have to
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Speaker 2: hit paws on all this for a rethink now, of course,
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Speaker 2: there is a place for solar and wind and rooftop
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Speaker 2: suburban solar is a perfect case in point. Stick it
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Speaker 2: up on your roof if you can afford it, bits
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Speaker 2: and panels and a taxpayer funded battery, if you qualify
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Speaker 2: and go your hardest, even if you again can afford
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Speaker 2: to drive an ev remembering that the cheapest are all
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Speaker 2: made in China and the risks that come with that.
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Speaker 2: But jamming millions of on ground solar factories and twenty
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Speaker 2: story high wind turbines across the nation as far as
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Speaker 2: the horizon can see simply won't cut it. The problem
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Speaker 2: is this bloke, Chris Bowen, has staked his political future
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Speaker 2: on net zero emission reductions and even trying to get
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Speaker 2: a Global climate change conference costing Australia millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: to be held in Adelaide. Now does this to you,
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Speaker 2: this sort of language sound like someone who's going to
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Speaker 2: take any criticism. Do you think those who say we
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Speaker 2: should abandon powers, drop a net zero target cranks and
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Speaker 2: crack pops. I think there's both.
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Speaker 3: I think there's there's people of bad faith in Australian
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Speaker 3: politics explorting this issue.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. Thank God's says like Queensland have
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Speaker 2: some legal jurisdiction over those their own energy futures. Now,
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Speaker 2: just before we get into the developments in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East in the last twenty four hours, I want to
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Speaker 2: read to you a report from the Herald Sun this
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Speaker 2: afternoon on a case from the Victorian Children's Court for
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Speaker 2: some insight into law and order issues in the state
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Speaker 2: of Victoria. It's reported that two teenagers who cannot be
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Speaker 2: named for legal reasons because of their age, have refused
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Speaker 2: to attend the children's court after learning that they would
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Speaker 2: have to provide DNA samples to police. The two boys
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Speaker 2: were due to appear in the children's court today, three
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Speaker 2: weeks after they were charged over the stabbing murders of
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Speaker 2: two other boys, fifteen dow Aquen and Chroi Afcrek, who
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Speaker 2: was twelve years old. Only now the paper reports the
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Speaker 2: boys had quote continually refused to attend court, leading to
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Speaker 2: an impasse between the youth justice system, who say they
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Speaker 2: don't have the power to force the boys to attend,
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Speaker 2: and the court itself. Children's Court President Judge Jack van
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Speaker 2: Dersteen said, quote the perspective of the court is an
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Speaker 2: order is made and there's the expectation it would be
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Speaker 2: complied with. Now, he said, it was not the responsibility
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Speaker 2: of the child to comply with his court order, but
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Speaker 2: use justice to give it effect. The matter has been adjourned,
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Speaker 2: then presumably the whole farce will continue in court next week.
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Speaker 2: You have to ask what is happening with our legal system.
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Speaker 2: Victorians deserve better. Let's go to the major international story now.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, the Israeli government has approved the first
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Speaker 2: phase of Donald Trump's PA plan with Hamas. As we know,
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Speaker 2: he was Israeli Prime Minister benjaminett Yah who discussing the
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Speaker 2: role that the US has played in negotiating the ceasefire
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Speaker 2: and the hostage release deal.
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Speaker 1: We've part doing these two years. Today Cuba warriams in
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Speaker 1: the Central. One of these warreams is to return the osagen,
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Speaker 1: all of the osygen at the living and the deal.
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Speaker 1: Now we're about to achieve that good.
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Speaker 4: We couldn't have achieved without the extraordinary health the President
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Speaker 4: Trump and the team Steve Whitcom to Jared Kushner.
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Speaker 1: They worked tirelessly with Ron and his team.
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Speaker 5: Our team.
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Speaker 2: Now, that was earlier today, and it's quite the contrast
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Speaker 2: to these comments made on Sky today with Peter Stefanovic
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Speaker 2: from the Palestinian National Initiative General Secretary. This was on
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Speaker 2: Sky earlier today. Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 6: This is not that peace plan. It's only a plan
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Speaker 6: about establish Shinks's fire in Gaza. The real peace plan
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Speaker 6: will be the one that allows Palestinians to be free
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Speaker 6: from occupation and to have a state of their own,
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Speaker 6: the state that Australia and Canada and one hundred and
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Speaker 6: sixty other countries of the world have recognized.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings, Peter,
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Speaker 2: that last piece of audio I played for you there,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it does show that there's a hell a
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Speaker 2: long way to go, and all of this week can
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Speaker 2: celebrate what Donald Trump's been able to pull off so far.
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Speaker 2: But in that comment on Sky Today, that Palestinian spokesman said,
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Speaker 2: when asked, would you have peacekeepers in Palestine, he said
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Speaker 2: on the border, not in Palestine itself. So you know
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Speaker 2: this is not over.
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Speaker 7: Is it not by a long shot, Steve. But I
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Speaker 7: think the best we can say is one step at
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Speaker 7: a time. If it turns out that we'll see the
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Speaker 7: Israeli hostages released in the next seventy four hours or so,
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Speaker 7: that is a remarkable achievement, and frankly one which I
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Speaker 7: don't think could have been achieved without Donald Trump. I
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Speaker 7: don't think any of Trump's three predecessors could have delivered
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Speaker 7: such an outcome. And so, you know, let's at least
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Speaker 7: celebrate that. But you're quite right to say that, you know,
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Speaker 7: achieving steps two through twenty of the peace Plan is
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Speaker 7: going to be incredibly difficult. I think the key to
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Speaker 7: this will be the extent to which the Americans can
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Speaker 7: force Arab countries to support it. And ultimately that means
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Speaker 7: that some of the rhetoric we've heard from Hamas and
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Speaker 7: from other Palestinian entities is going to have to change. Overall,
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Speaker 7: though I think Trump's approach was the right one piece first.
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Speaker 7: We can talk about recognition later. In other words, it's
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Speaker 7: the absolute opposite of what the Australian government has been
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Speaker 7: trying to promote for the last two years.
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Speaker 2: How important was it for the Amreria Cans to get
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Speaker 2: the Kataris on side? I mean, the Kataris have bankrolled
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Speaker 2: much of what's gone on in the Middle East for
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Speaker 2: recent history. And if they turned the money tap off
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Speaker 2: to Palestine, obviously that is going to prompt Palestine to say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's give up the hostages. We're going to have to
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Speaker 2: do something different here.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I think that American effort has been very significant,
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Speaker 7: And you know, Jared Kushner and Steve Woodkoff deserve a
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Speaker 7: lot of praise for their diplomatic efforts, having largely been
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Speaker 7: written off by much of the media and the American
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Speaker 7: political opposition over the last few years. So that's important.
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Speaker 7: Saudi support behind the scenes is important. Egypt's perspective is important,
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Speaker 7: and Trump has done an unusually good job in working
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Speaker 7: with Middle East in governments to build that level of
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Speaker 7: support over his first term and now for the second term.
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Speaker 7: And again I think this is a remarkable achievement which
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Speaker 7: few people thought he was capable of delivery.
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Speaker 2: Amazingly. Even Foreign Minister Penny Wong has come out today
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Speaker 2: and noted the significant role that Donald Trump has played
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Speaker 2: in this. He was Penny Wong on Sky this morning.
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Speaker 8: Is President Trump the only leader who could have got
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Speaker 8: benjaminett Yah to agree to this?
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably true.
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Speaker 5: We always knew over this last year and all of
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Speaker 5: the discussions internationally, that we needed us engagement. That this
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Speaker 5: has been the biggest contribution to piece that we have
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Speaker 5: seen in a very long time. He plays by a
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Speaker 5: different playbook and it's working.
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Speaker 2: She didn't even have her fingers crossed, Peter, she said
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Speaker 2: it straight out.
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Speaker 7: I feel it must have hurt. I feel it really
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Speaker 7: must have hurt for Penny to say those things. But
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Speaker 7: it's true, and I'm glad that she's been prepared to
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Speaker 7: acknowledge that. You know, what this shows is that you
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Speaker 7: can work with the Trump administration. It's been the direct opposite, frankly,
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Speaker 7: from Australia, which has isolated itself in the sense that
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Speaker 7: no one in Israel is interested in listening to what
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Speaker 7: the Albanezi government has to say about these issues. So
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Speaker 7: you know, forull Marks to Trump, even though I think
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Speaker 7: has to be really cautious and saying can he no
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Speaker 7: move on to deliver the rest of his plan, he'll
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Speaker 7: certainly try. I think he's very invested in this, and
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Speaker 7: I think he's going to work very hard to try
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Speaker 7: and bring those critical Arab states along with him.
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Speaker 2: With all your experience, as you know, I mean, certain
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Speaker 2: points of this will stand the time of history and
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Speaker 2: you'll go back to them, and authors that will write
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Speaker 2: books about this will go back to them. I thought
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Speaker 2: the comment revealed today by the President President Trump that
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Speaker 2: he told he admits he told benyabin Net and Yahoo, Benny,
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Speaker 2: you can't fight the whole world. That is going to
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Speaker 2: be a comment that I think a lot of academics
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Speaker 2: are going to go back and trol through. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: Trump is right.
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Speaker 7: You know, there's another group which really deserves a lot
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Speaker 7: of praise. They won't get it, but they deserve a
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Speaker 7: lot of praise. That's the Israeli military because they have
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Speaker 7: fought and defeated Hamas, and they have brought Hamas to
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Speaker 7: a point where saying they're prepared to sign the ceasefire
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Speaker 7: is really the only course of action that's left for them.
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Speaker 7: But you can only go so far with military force.
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Speaker 7: And now the world has to turn its mind to
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Speaker 7: how can we create a viable society in Gasa which
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Speaker 7: is not built around the idea of killing the Jews.
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Speaker 7: That's going to be challenging because it will have to
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Speaker 7: overturn decades of brainwashing, frankly, amongst that population, and it's
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Speaker 7: going to have to push a whole group of extremists
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Speaker 7: out of any form of political power.
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Speaker 2: But that's the challenge. And I think.
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Speaker 7: Now that this is the best, maybe a slim chance,
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Speaker 7: but still the best chance we've got that we can
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Speaker 7: at least make some progress in that direction. Finally, just
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Speaker 7: while I got you back on some domestic issues, the
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Speaker 7: Defense officials that said it estimates this week yesterday it
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Speaker 7: was said, we're facing quite a heightened quote a heightened
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Speaker 7: risk of conflict in the Indo Pacific by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree absolutely.
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Speaker 7: I've been saying it for years, of course, and I'm
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Speaker 7: delighted to hear my friends and defense now accepting that reality.
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Speaker 7: What I find amazing here, Steve, is so if that's
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Speaker 7: what they think or think, now, why is so much
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Speaker 7: of the Defense investment effort going into deliver military equipment
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Speaker 7: which we will not see until well into the twenty thirties,
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Speaker 7: if not later. We need now, I think defense to
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Speaker 7: recast its thinking and to start to make their Stralian
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Speaker 7: defense force, the force that we have right now as
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Speaker 7: strong as we can make it in coming months and years,
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Speaker 7: because that's the force we'll have to deal with whatever
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Speaker 7: strategic situation emerges in the next half decade in the Pacific.
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Speaker 7: So there's a lot of rethinking that needs to be
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Speaker 7: done in terms of defense strategy. But at least we're
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Speaker 7: getting some acknowledgment of the problems that they face.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully they're listening to you more closely, Peter, Thank
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Speaker 2: you all. Was a pleasure to catch up on a
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Speaker 2: Friday night, Peter Jennings. There well, surprise, surprise. As I
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Speaker 2: said at the beginning of the program, climate Change Minister
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen has had to admit to misstating his word
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Speaker 2: figures related to Australia's renewables roll out. Now a top
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Speaker 2: scientist has even called for a moratorium on new renewable
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Speaker 2: projects amid growing concerns about environmental damage which we've seen
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Speaker 2: and know about and floored approvals. Now somebody who knows
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Speaker 2: a febit about the impact of these projects on the
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Speaker 2: regions and rural communities. I've spoken to him regularly on
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Speaker 2: our Friday night program. Victorian Farmers Federation President Bread Hoskin Brett.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the program again. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I watched Question Time yesterday. I saw Dan Tee and
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Speaker 2: ask Chris Bowen if he's got a map of Australia
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Speaker 2: which has colored bits on it that shows where all
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Speaker 2: of these projects are going to be. And of course
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have that map, does he.
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Speaker 9: Frustrating, isn't it, Steve? When you intruce me, I thought
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Speaker 9: you was going to say someone who knows flord ipprovements are.
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Speaker 9: But yeah, it is incredibly frustrating for our members, for
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Speaker 9: our farmers are We're not just scene that we're experiencing
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Speaker 9: this rapid roll out of renewables, of transmission lines. We're
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Speaker 9: not really sure what the rules are. There doesn't seem
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Speaker 9: to be rules. It's like jungle rules. You know, the
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Speaker 9: strongest and the fastest to get it approved seems a
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Speaker 9: bit of one that wins. And that's not how we
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Speaker 9: build a nation. It's not how we build a transition
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Speaker 9: to what we know we need to do as a
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Speaker 9: lower emissions future. But we're not taking the communities with us,
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Speaker 9: we're not taking the landholders with us, and I actually
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Speaker 9: don't think we're getting it right.
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Speaker 2: However, farmers are the ultimate protectors of the environment. I mean,
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Speaker 2: because it's your income, it's how you make money, it's
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Speaker 2: your business. You understand the earth and the rain and
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Speaker 2: the sky and the wind and the trees. Do you
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Speaker 2: think there's actually any knowledge in Canberra about how much
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Speaker 2: damage they're doing to bush country that's never been touched before.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you're right about your comments, Steve. Our
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Speaker 9: farmers have reduced their emissions, the emissions we produce faster
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Speaker 9: than any other sector of the Australian economy. We're still
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Speaker 9: continuing to do that. We're not getting that support from Canberra.
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Speaker 9: We see support go to subsidies, go to copper minds
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Speaker 9: and things like that that are owned by overseas interests.
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Speaker 9: But we're not seeing that support for farmers who are
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Speaker 9: struggling with drought, who are struggling with biosecurity threats, who
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Speaker 9: are struggling with cost of input pressures. It will be
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Speaker 9: nice to see a government that says, hey, let's reward
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Speaker 9: the sector of the economy that's really doing their bit,
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Speaker 9: that's really leading by example, that's really making some difference.
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Speaker 9: And then you know what, as we do this roll
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Speaker 9: out to renewables, let's get them on board and let
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Speaker 9: them come on the journey with us, let them talk
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Speaker 9: about how we can do this better, how we can
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Speaker 9: do it in a way that builds up rural communities,
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Speaker 9: builds up our agricultural interests rather than tears it down.
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Speaker 2: Well, we haven't talked since the minister had a fairly
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Speaker 2: blunt response from the audience in Ballarat at the News
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Speaker 2: Limited Bush summit. Since that, I would have thought, if
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Speaker 2: the government was sensible, that the interaction with groups like
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Speaker 2: yours from Canberra and from the state government would have
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Speaker 2: improved greatly. Has it.
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Speaker 9: No, it hasn't at all. In fact, there's been a
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Speaker 9: bit of interaction with the agg minister. But you know again,
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Speaker 9: when we start to talk about renewables and we start
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Speaker 9: to talk about that transition where all those referred to
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Speaker 9: Chris Bowen, we hear from him not at all. And
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Speaker 9: I don't think there's a farm across the country who
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Speaker 9: would say they've heard from Chris. It's essential that he engages.
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Speaker 9: You say, he doesn't have a map more so, it
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Speaker 9: would be even better if he got out into some
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Speaker 9: of these communities and actually had to look around, saw
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Speaker 9: what was going on. Sort of difference it's making. We
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Speaker 9: talk about small numbers mattering. Two percent doesn't seem like
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Speaker 9: a big number, but that's the percentage of a farmland
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Speaker 9: that's farmed in Victoria. The farmers in Victoria produced twenty
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Speaker 9: five percent of Australia's agricultural output. They are a powerhouse.
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Speaker 9: So two percent really really matters when you put that
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Speaker 9: two percent in the right hands. But if you're going
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Speaker 9: to take it away, if you're going to tear it
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Speaker 9: down and build infrastructure on it, then that two percent
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Speaker 9: can have a massive, massive impact on our Australian economy
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Speaker 9: if we do it wrong. So let's talk with the
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Speaker 9: people who are producing off that two percent and let's
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Speaker 9: see we can get it right.
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Speaker 2: Brett, Well, I've got you. We've talked before about this
20:31
Speaker 2: emergency services levy. People are now starting to see it
20:35
Speaker 2: obviously on their rate notices. Seventy nine Victorian councils now
20:39
Speaker 2: have said to the Jacindra Allen Government that their three
20:42
Speaker 2: billion dollar emergency services levy is just counsels having to
20:47
Speaker 2: turn themselves into tax tax gatherers. Is it starting to bite?
20:53
Speaker 2: Are people on the land with bigger properties now starting
20:56
Speaker 2: to actually see the figure?
20:59
Speaker 9: Yeah, our farmers are very very nervous about it. We've
21:02
Speaker 9: had this pause because of drought conditions for twelve months.
21:05
Speaker 9: We're still paying it but at the previous year's rate,
21:08
Speaker 9: but we know it's coming to hit us even more
21:10
Speaker 9: of a challenge. We've even had the premiere come out
21:13
Speaker 9: and say, hey, we're in for a massive fires this summer.
21:16
Speaker 9: Drought conditions combined with a bit of rain we've got.
21:19
Speaker 9: There's fuel on the ground that's drying out fast. We're
21:21
Speaker 9: already seeing windy hot conditions. Even October we're seeing windy
21:26
Speaker 9: hot conditions. We've already had a few runaway fires, but
21:28
Speaker 9: I've been brought under control by volunteers. But you know,
21:32
Speaker 9: I don't think we're ready in Victoria, and I really
21:34
Speaker 9: worry about it. That tax is a huge burden on
21:39
Speaker 9: every ratepayer right across Victoria. And worse still is we're
21:43
Speaker 9: sacrificing roles and jobs out of forest fire fighting at
21:46
Speaker 9: a time when we really need them the most, and
21:50
Speaker 9: this summer scares me.
21:54
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that. Bread all is good.
21:55
Speaker 2: To catch up with you, mate, We'll keep in touch,
21:57
Speaker 2: keep the fight going. That's spread hosking there. It's the
21:59
Speaker 2: way the farmers are being treated around Australia, not just
22:02
Speaker 2: in Victoria but everywhere in regard to this renewable plan
22:06
Speaker 2: is just disgraceful. Now coming up after the break revelations
22:08
Speaker 2: at the government is no longer ruling out changes to
22:12
Speaker 2: its proposed supertax. That's the Federal government of course. Plus
22:15
Speaker 2: protesters are plowing ahead with these plans to rally on
22:18
Speaker 2: the weekend. But you've got to ask, what's the point
22:22
Speaker 2: that's all coming up? Welcome back Toeve Price with you
22:28
Speaker 2: on this Friday night. I'll get back to the Middle
22:30
Speaker 2: East shortly and later. The bizarre idea from Queensland politician
22:35
Speaker 2: Bob Catter that he raised in Parliament this week, which
22:40
Speaker 2: I was watching question time and whenever Bob Katter gets
22:43
Speaker 2: up to say something, you obviously know it's going to
22:46
Speaker 2: be entertaining. Well, he wants to arm rugby league players
22:50
Speaker 2: who were in the off season with rifles and send
22:53
Speaker 2: them to Queensland to eliminate feral pigs. I don't quite
22:56
Speaker 2: know the connection between rifles, feral pigs Rugby League players,
23:01
Speaker 2: but there you go. It is Queensland, spring of Queensland.
23:04
Speaker 2: We will catch up with Campbell Newman. There was plenty
23:07
Speaker 2: of nuggets out of the Senate estimates this week, which
23:09
Speaker 2: I love. It's much better than Question time. The Government apparently,
23:12
Speaker 2: or at least Treasury has given advice to government that
23:15
Speaker 2: well they may not attack people who have superannuation balances
23:20
Speaker 2: above three million with a high tax. Treasury actively looked
23:24
Speaker 2: at it. That was admitted by an official in Senate
23:28
Speaker 2: Estimates this week. Let's go to Queensland now here to
23:31
Speaker 2: help us understand all of these things a little better.
23:34
Speaker 2: Friday Regular, Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Can you explain
23:39
Speaker 2: Bob Catter, pigs and rugby league players and rifles.
23:44
Speaker 10: No, but it takes me back to something happened years
23:47
Speaker 10: ago on the army where one of the infantry battalions
23:51
Speaker 10: that Arenaugura in Brisbane had soldiers go out shooting feral cats.
23:55
Speaker 10: And they thought this would be a great idea because
23:57
Speaker 10: these cats are huge. But I tear what was quite
24:01
Speaker 10: the unintended media backlash against soldiers shooting poor old Moggie
24:05
Speaker 10: with high powered rifles. So I'm just remembering that from
24:09
Speaker 10: about thirty.
24:11
Speaker 2: Mate. I could understand it if it was soldiers, but
24:15
Speaker 2: I couldn't quite get the connection between He wants the
24:18
Speaker 2: Brisbane Broncos, who of course won the NRL, to spend
24:23
Speaker 2: their off season instead of going to Las Vegas and
24:26
Speaker 2: playing blackjack, They're going to go and kill pigs with rifles.
24:29
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know where it comes from. You know,
24:32
Speaker 2: the cattle, you know, the cat is better than me.
24:37
Speaker 2: The superannuation changes. Now it's two years they've tried to
24:40
Speaker 2: legislate this. They can't get it through the Senate. This
24:43
Speaker 2: is the three million dollar cap. Anything above three million
24:47
Speaker 2: the tax will go from fifteen to thirty percent. But
24:50
Speaker 2: the controversial part about that Cambler course is unrealized profits,
24:54
Speaker 2: which means that you know, you might have a good
24:56
Speaker 2: year on the share market and you've got to pay
24:58
Speaker 2: this tax, but if you have a bad year, you
25:00
Speaker 2: can't claim back your losses. It seems from my distance
25:05
Speaker 2: that Albow's backing off this well. Charmers wants to push
25:08
Speaker 2: on a head.
25:10
Speaker 10: That's what it looks like. And good on the Prime
25:12
Speaker 10: Minister if he has asked for another look, another dive
25:16
Speaker 10: into this one, because it's poorly conceived, it's unfair, and
25:20
Speaker 10: I only think it's because of the work of many
25:22
Speaker 10: people who would have the air of the Prime Minister,
25:26
Speaker 10: and indeed financial advisors and senior members of the accountant
25:31
Speaker 10: profession in this country, and the tax profession who pointed
25:34
Speaker 10: out that it is poorly conceived and it is unfair,
25:39
Speaker 10: and it sets up a double standard in terms of
25:43
Speaker 10: the way we treat tax and it beans principles of
25:46
Speaker 10: tax law. So I do hope they make some changes.
25:49
Speaker 10: If higher tax is required on people with high superbalances,
25:53
Speaker 10: that's another thing, but that we shouldn't be taxing unrealized
25:58
Speaker 10: gains in this country.
25:59
Speaker 2: It's it's quite a retrogade move, Caba. You and I
26:05
Speaker 2: have sat through some moments of history in our time,
26:08
Speaker 2: because we're old enough to have been around a while.
26:10
Speaker 2: But that day, the day before yesterday, the historic peace
26:13
Speaker 2: still signed in the Middle East. You've got Donald Trump
26:16
Speaker 2: sitting there conducting a media conference. Marco Rubio walks in
26:20
Speaker 2: and hands him a slip of paper, then whispers in
26:23
Speaker 2: his ear and Trump says, looks like we're close to
26:26
Speaker 2: a deal in the Middle East. They might need me
26:28
Speaker 2: to leave the room pretty quickly. But we're holding our breath.
26:32
Speaker 2: We've got our fingers crossed that it's all going to happen.
26:34
Speaker 2: We don't want to see innocent people killed. But on
26:37
Speaker 2: the same day, the Supreme Court in New South Wales
26:39
Speaker 2: as block protesters from rallying on the steps of the
26:42
Speaker 2: Opera House as they should. But still these protesters, both
26:46
Speaker 2: in Sydney and Melbourne, I'm not sure about Brisbane, continue
26:49
Speaker 2: to want a protest. I mean, shouldn't they be now
26:51
Speaker 2: marching with signs thank God for peace or something like
26:54
Speaker 2: that instead of continuing on with this stuff they've been
26:57
Speaker 2: going on with for two years.
27:01
Speaker 10: They should steve. But what people need to realize is
27:04
Speaker 10: that the organizers in both Sydney and Melbourne, and I'm
27:08
Speaker 10: not going to name names, of course, but you only
27:11
Speaker 10: have to do a bit of research to see who
27:13
Speaker 10: the people are, and they are extreme left wingers, Socialist
27:18
Speaker 10: Alliance and people who author pieces for Red Flag, who
27:23
Speaker 10: are against the capitalist system, and individuals who've been against
27:29
Speaker 10: Israel for twenty years. You know, so really that's their objective.
27:34
Speaker 10: It's actually more about anti Israel than promoting truly self
27:40
Speaker 10: determination for Palestinian people living in coexistence peacefully with the
27:47
Speaker 10: Israeli state. So you know, you have to understand who
27:49
Speaker 10: these people are. They are ultra left wingers. And when
27:57
Speaker 10: this cause has gone away, ultimately there will be another
28:01
Speaker 10: one they'll be pursuing and they'll be back as extinction
28:04
Speaker 10: rebellion or something like that.
28:06
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I was just about to say that they'll
28:09
Speaker 2: go back to gluing themselves to the road so that
28:11
Speaker 2: people can't get to work. I want to come up
28:13
Speaker 2: to your patch. I started with this tonight news that
28:15
Speaker 2: coal is going to be a major energy provider in
28:19
Speaker 2: Queensland right up until at least twenty forty six. That's
28:23
Speaker 2: twenty years. The Treasure in Queensland today made that announcement.
28:27
Speaker 2: I mean, Queensland obviously has the most modern coal fired
28:31
Speaker 2: power stations in the country. Here was I think it
28:34
Speaker 2: was the Energy Minister, not the Treasure of making that announcement.
28:36
Speaker 11: He listen, without enough replacement generation and firming capacity, coal
28:41
Speaker 11: assets continue to be needed for affordable and reliable energy.
28:46
Speaker 11: That's reality, and that's not just for our state. Queensland
28:52
Speaker 11: is a consistent net exporter of electricity and our state
28:56
Speaker 11: owned coal assets are critical to the whole national electricity
29:00
Speaker 11: the market.
29:02
Speaker 2: Good on David Jenetsky, and I presumed David Christoph fully
29:05
Speaker 2: as well. They're speaking sense, aren't.
29:07
Speaker 10: They look good to see that from the Queensland government
29:12
Speaker 10: and the treasure of David Genetski making announcement. And look
29:16
Speaker 10: they're dead right. It is absolute common sense, it is practical.
29:21
Speaker 10: It's needed for both the electricity supply and security and
29:27
Speaker 10: stability for Queenslanders and the important role in pumping electricity
29:31
Speaker 10: south into the national grid.
29:33
Speaker 12: So good on them.
29:34
Speaker 10: And you know what we had in place before was
29:38
Speaker 10: you know, a plan which really was a fantasy because
29:42
Speaker 10: it wasn't you know, it wasn't properly developed, it wasn't
29:46
Speaker 10: rooted in common sense. And by the way, it actually
29:50
Speaker 10: meant the destruction of natural areas in Queensland. You know,
29:54
Speaker 10: were you were talking to the chap before, the farmer
29:57
Speaker 10: before about the destruction of farmland, Well that's happening in Queensland,
30:01
Speaker 10: and it's also happening in natural areas and you know,
30:06
Speaker 10: to just continue to see the sort of the uncontrolled
30:09
Speaker 10: roll out of wind farms, for example on the Great
30:12
Speaker 10: Dividing Range, destroying large slabs of important habitat just puts
30:18
Speaker 10: the whole quest for net zero into real perspective. We're
30:23
Speaker 10: destroying the environment to cut carbon emissions.
30:27
Speaker 2: Just ridiculous.
30:28
Speaker 10: And the Queens and Conservation Council, by the way, you know,
30:31
Speaker 10: they should hang their heads in shame, Steve, because you
30:34
Speaker 10: know they've come out of course against this announcement today
30:37
Speaker 10: by the government. I wish that'd stand up for cuddly
30:42
Speaker 10: animals who they're meant to be protecting in the large
30:48
Speaker 10: swathe of bushland which are being cleared felt for wind
30:51
Speaker 10: farms and solar.
30:55
Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll wake up one day. Good to be back
30:57
Speaker 2: with you on a Friday night, Campbell. Thank you mate.
30:59
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next week. Now, coming up after
31:01
Speaker 2: the break, more on the historic Peace Deal and whether
31:03
Speaker 2: or not it really will lead to lasting peace in
31:06
Speaker 2: the Middle East, plus what does it mean for Donald
31:08
Speaker 2: Trump's presidential legacy. That's all up next. Welcome back to
31:16
Speaker 2: Steve Price. We here this week we'll go down in history.
31:19
Speaker 2: We will remember where we were when we saw those
31:22
Speaker 2: images out of the White House with Donald Trump, and
31:24
Speaker 2: we will see the hostages hopefully back home in Israel
31:28
Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday, which will be Tuesday or Wednesday
31:32
Speaker 2: our time. It's an historical, historic deal broken by President Trump,
31:37
Speaker 2: and hopefully the peace will hold. There's been widespread praise
31:41
Speaker 2: for the President, even from our own Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
31:45
Speaker 2: We heard that she conceded Donald Trump's unconventional style might
31:49
Speaker 2: have been the only way to get this deal done.
31:52
Speaker 2: I'm joined now from Hostage Square in Tel Aviv human
31:55
Speaker 2: rights lawyer Arsen Ostrowsky. Welcome, Arsen, thank you very much
32:00
Speaker 2: for giving us a little bit of time. Can you
32:02
Speaker 2: describe to me what the mood is like still there
32:05
Speaker 2: in hostage Square. Yeah, we've just had audio issues there
32:23
Speaker 2: with us and we're trying.
32:24
Speaker 12: Yeah, cheers, mate. Look, so it's great to be on
32:28
Speaker 12: with you, and honestly, it's great to be with you
32:30
Speaker 12: under for a change happier circumstances. Right now, as you
32:34
Speaker 12: can see behind me in hostage Square, there's already a
32:37
Speaker 12: crowd gathering in the hundreds. It's really a sense of jibilation.
32:40
Speaker 12: This is a moment that we have thought for. It's
32:42
Speaker 12: a moment we're grateful, and this is a moment that
32:46
Speaker 12: we are now paying a very heavy price for and
32:47
Speaker 12: putting the release of a number of Palestinian terrorists and
32:51
Speaker 12: prisoners with blood on their hands. But this is the
32:53
Speaker 12: price we have to pay in order to secure the hostages.
32:57
Speaker 12: So today there is a sense of see relief, but
33:01
Speaker 12: there'll be I think a far more sense of that
33:04
Speaker 12: when the hostage has actually come home and I finally
33:06
Speaker 12: reunited after two years of absolute hell.
33:11
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that, as you
33:13
Speaker 2: you know, you're a human rights lawyer. These people have
33:15
Speaker 2: been they've been withheld, held for two years, more more
33:20
Speaker 2: than two years. We don't really know. I guess the
33:23
Speaker 2: Israeli Intelligence Service probably does, but we don't really know
33:27
Speaker 2: under what conditions, how harsh it was, how much they
33:29
Speaker 2: were punished, whether they were abused, How hard will it
33:33
Speaker 2: be for someone who's been through that to come back
33:37
Speaker 2: and get back into a normal, normal life.
33:42
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, well, actually have to be honest, Actually, do
33:45
Speaker 12: you know the marshalness of the conventions, including from a
33:49
Speaker 12: number of the hostages who have returned and have verbally
33:51
Speaker 12: said to themselves what they've enjoyed. There has been It
33:54
Speaker 12: has been absolute barbaric. It has been torture. We've seen
33:57
Speaker 12: on a few actually, just a few weeks ago, one
34:00
Speaker 12: of the hostages of the Tivit a young man being
34:03
Speaker 12: literally forced to dig his own raid by Amas. I mean,
34:06
Speaker 12: these are the kinds of savages and barbarians that we've
34:09
Speaker 12: been dealing with them, trying to negotiate a deal with them.
34:13
Speaker 12: They're coming back for two years kept literally in the
34:16
Speaker 12: dungeons and tunnels beneath and around around Gaza, used as
34:20
Speaker 12: the useless pawns and bargainerships in this undoing law. They
34:24
Speaker 12: will come back. Obviously, they will need a lot of
34:27
Speaker 12: physical treatment, a lot of emotional treatment, but this will
34:32
Speaker 12: be a long, long process of recovery, and I think
34:35
Speaker 12: beneath their initial smiles and joys and jibilation, there'll be
34:39
Speaker 12: a long road to recovery for many of them individually,
34:42
Speaker 12: and quite unestills for the country as a nation as
34:45
Speaker 12: well that has endured some horrific scenes and unbearable pain
34:48
Speaker 12: these last twenty four months.
34:52
Speaker 2: As in President Trump himself says he's going to try
34:54
Speaker 2: and be there. I think he's going to end up then,
34:57
Speaker 2: probably in Egypt, to sign this yield what sort of
35:00
Speaker 2: reaction from locals will President Trump get when he's where
35:04
Speaker 2: in Air Force one lands in Tel Aviv on Monday
35:07
Speaker 2: or Tuesday next week.
35:10
Speaker 12: I do talk about royal treatment. We don't only do
35:13
Speaker 12: royalty in Israel, but if we do, it'll be for
35:16
Speaker 12: be for President Trump. I mean, look quite franky. No
35:18
Speaker 12: one could have done what he did. There are some
35:22
Speaker 12: who chose the path of performative gestures and stunts and
35:26
Speaker 12: Russians re united place and in state. But President Trump
35:28
Speaker 12: really dug down and did all was necessary. He got
35:30
Speaker 12: those rallies together, we got the Arab world to the
35:33
Speaker 12: other back, to put forth the most comprehensive deal and
35:37
Speaker 12: plan to not just return the hostages, but to really
35:40
Speaker 12: end the war and to disarmer Us, because without that,
35:43
Speaker 12: we're just going to be repeating ourselves. I don't think
35:45
Speaker 12: anyone could have done that, nan President Trump, And it
35:48
Speaker 12: shows a difference between well, it actually shows what serious
35:51
Speaker 12: leadership is. And we're then to this meant to be announcement,
35:54
Speaker 12: but a no adult peace price the next half an
35:56
Speaker 12: hour and hour. So honestly, it's hard to fathom any
36:00
Speaker 12: one other than President Trump that actually observes this honor
36:02
Speaker 12: at this time.
36:07
Speaker 2: Your own president Benuminett and Yahoo. I mean he apparently
36:11
Speaker 2: was dmon Benny, you can't, for instance, Sorry, you can't.
36:17
Speaker 2: You can't continue to fight the world. You've got to
36:21
Speaker 2: You've got to at some point realize that you know
36:25
Speaker 2: you've got You've got to negotiate and deal. How has
36:27
Speaker 2: that gone down in Israel? Does he now have support?
36:32
Speaker 12: Look, I think at the moment in Israel he has
36:35
Speaker 12: there's overwhelming support, I mean absolute unity in terms of
36:39
Speaker 12: seeing this hostage deal done and ending in the war.
36:42
Speaker 12: Israeli is a renowned for disagreeing on just about everything,
36:45
Speaker 12: but there is I think almost universal agreement and support
36:49
Speaker 12: for this particular deal. And look, there's certainly no denying
36:52
Speaker 12: that they'll face some difficult challenges in the public in
36:56
Speaker 12: the public arena, but ultimately, you know, I think the
36:59
Speaker 12: President Trump's common for not a validation of any kind
37:01
Speaker 12: for the action to some countries that rush to recognize
37:04
Speaker 12: the plasting in state or sort to apply punitive measures
37:08
Speaker 12: against these roles. But ultimately it was what ultimately will
37:13
Speaker 12: achieve this this deal which I hopefully next few days
37:16
Speaker 12: will we'll genterrate with HOSTAGESE was a strength and resolved
37:20
Speaker 12: really not not further concessions and political appeasement.
37:27
Speaker 2: Just finally. You've seen these things come and go before,
37:30
Speaker 2: and people toss around the word piece pretty literally. Do
37:34
Speaker 2: you think it really is going to be a lasting piece,
37:38
Speaker 2: a two state solution.
37:40
Speaker 12: Look, honestly, only only time will tell. This is certainly
37:43
Speaker 12: this is just the beginning piece one be achieved then
37:46
Speaker 12: I it or through a single agreement. But there is
37:49
Speaker 12: a lot of hope at the moment. Certainly the hostage
37:52
Speaker 12: is coming home, not really the first step. Once sassages
37:54
Speaker 12: come home, we can then really talk about the rest.
37:58
Speaker 12: But I think the plan and Trump I supposed that
38:02
Speaker 12: it was agreed to, that the LUs has agreed to
38:04
Speaker 12: and it has the support of the Arab and the
38:06
Speaker 12: Gulf world is a long term plan because it also
38:09
Speaker 12: talks about disarming on us. It talks about the radicalization
38:13
Speaker 12: of Gaza. You know, we can't have a repeat of
38:16
Speaker 12: the situation in Gamis. So I think there is a
38:18
Speaker 12: lot of beliefs that this piece of planet will be
38:21
Speaker 12: seen through. I guess on the time will time.
38:26
Speaker 2: Arsin. Thank you very much for your time live there
38:29
Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv. Incredible, what's going to unfold? There in
38:32
Speaker 2: that particular spot where Arson is over the next three
38:34
Speaker 2: or four days now, after the break of Tony Abbott
38:38
Speaker 2: be the answer to the coalition's electoral problems, we might
38:42
Speaker 2: talk to our panel about that, plus the push for
38:44
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. As Arson
38:47
Speaker 2: just told us there, there's going to be an announcement
38:49
Speaker 2: in the next couple of hours. We'll see what happens.
38:55
Speaker 2: Welcome back Rondine coming up after us now. Pender Herald's
38:58
Speaker 2: uncolumn today and I've argued that the coalition needs some
39:01
Speaker 2: sort of radical overhaul. I mean everyone would agree that
39:04
Speaker 2: that's the case to get itself out of opposition. And
39:06
Speaker 2: I have prosecuted the case that perhaps, just perhaps former
39:10
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Tony Abbott could be just what they need.
39:13
Speaker 2: Would he make a political comeback? Probably not, But he
39:15
Speaker 2: was in the headlines again this week. He was in
39:18
Speaker 2: the UK giving advice to the Conservative Party on what
39:21
Speaker 2: they should do about the flood of illegal boat people
39:23
Speaker 2: coming across the English Channel, and in typical Blunt style,
39:27
Speaker 2: here's what he said.
39:29
Speaker 13: You could certainly pick up people in the English Channel,
39:33
Speaker 13: hold them on some kind of a mothership and send
39:36
Speaker 13: them back to the land from which they've come on
39:40
Speaker 13: some quiet and moonless night, and I think there are
39:43
Speaker 13: all sorts of things that a determined governance could do
39:47
Speaker 13: to absolutely stop these boats once and for all.
39:51
Speaker 2: Well, he hasn't lost his passion. He's just penned a
39:53
Speaker 2: new book, first serialized in the Australian newspaper last weekend.
39:57
Speaker 2: I read it the serialized piece. Book is worth reading.
40:01
Speaker 2: And he's got a three parts documentary series coming up
40:04
Speaker 2: on Sky News that'll start on Monday night at seven
40:06
Speaker 2: point thirty. Joining us now our panel Skye News contributor
40:10
Speaker 2: Caroline to Russo and the great Joe hilde Brand. Great
40:13
Speaker 2: to see you both, Caroline. I guess it was tongue
40:18
Speaker 2: in cheek, but I did prosecute the case that you know.
40:21
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott's written the book, he's got the doco. He's
40:24
Speaker 2: over there solving the UK's illegal immigrants problem. He's the
40:29
Speaker 2: sort of character that I think the Coalition need if
40:32
Speaker 2: they ever want to get back into government. Now it
40:35
Speaker 2: probably won't be him, although plenty of feedback I've got
40:37
Speaker 2: this afternoon suggesting it's not a bad idea.
40:42
Speaker 14: No, I don't suspect it will be him. And look,
40:45
Speaker 14: I haven't had this conversation with Tony myself, but you know,
40:48
Speaker 14: he still can make a great contribution to the party,
40:51
Speaker 14: and he still does make a great contribution. Steve obviously
40:55
Speaker 14: the state president over here in Wa, and Tony's been
40:58
Speaker 14: very generous with his time for the Wa division prior
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Speaker 14: to the last state election and the time that I've
41:05
Speaker 14: been president. And I think it's one of those things.
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Speaker 14: You know, he's got a lot of runs on the board.
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Speaker 14: He's seen an awful lot And when players retire from
41:15
Speaker 14: the game, they become coaches, they become club presidents, and
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Speaker 14: they become those really important and in this case of politics, statesmen.
41:25
Speaker 14: So I think there's plenty of room for Tony to
41:28
Speaker 14: make and continue to make a great contribution, not just
41:31
Speaker 14: to the party but to the country more broadly. But
41:33
Speaker 14: the party and the party divisions have to be focused
41:36
Speaker 14: on that young talent and who are our next generation
41:39
Speaker 14: of leaders and what have they done in life, and
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Speaker 14: how do we get them pre selected and help them
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Speaker 14: run really good campaigns so we can get them into parliament.
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Speaker 14: Because I think that that is absolutely where the focus
41:50
Speaker 14: needs to be. We can't always be looking backwards for
41:53
Speaker 14: the glory days to fix our current problems.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your remark about a coach is a
41:59
Speaker 2: really good one. Caroline Joe, I know you've got regard
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Speaker 2: for Tony Abbott. You know him well. You were working
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Speaker 2: on the Daily Telegraph when he was Opposition leader PM
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Speaker 2: and since you and I've socialized with him, and he's
42:13
Speaker 2: the funny thing about Tony Abbott is away from politics
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Speaker 2: and the cameras. He's a very charming bloke and he's
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Speaker 2: very smart. Can he do more to help the Coalition
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Speaker 2: get back on track? Do you think?
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Speaker 8: Look, I think you're absolutely right. I really do like
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Speaker 8: Tony Abbitt. I respect him enormously. We're friends, he texted
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Speaker 8: me just the other day. Actually, he is a deep thinker.
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Speaker 8: He is someone I think who has a huge amount
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Speaker 8: to contribute to Australian life and I really look forward
42:42
Speaker 8: to reading his book. I don't think he can come
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Speaker 8: back as Opposition leader, simply for the reason that it's
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Speaker 8: a pretty crowded field. You'd have to get people to
42:50
Speaker 8: stand aside to make way from him for him, and
42:53
Speaker 8: we all know that everyone in the Parliament has a
42:55
Speaker 8: leadership battle.
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Speaker 1: On their knapsack, so that's unlikely.
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Speaker 8: Someone like Tony Abbott could take over the leadership, like
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Speaker 8: an Andrew Hasty for example, someone who's quite muscular in
43:06
Speaker 8: that Abbot style. But you also need the government to
43:09
Speaker 8: screw up a lot of things as well. The last
43:11
Speaker 8: time there was this major ruction in the Labor Party
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Speaker 8: and Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 1: Rolled Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 8: That was because the MPs were terrified that Tony Abbott
43:21
Speaker 8: would lead the government to victory and he'd lead the
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Speaker 8: opposition to victory, and he very nearly did at that
43:26
Speaker 8: twenty ten election.
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Speaker 1: But that was when Labor was in chaos.
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Speaker 8: It was divided, it had backflipped on climate change, it
43:34
Speaker 8: had let the boats back in again, and that gave
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Speaker 8: Tony Abbott his sort of natural crusading, a strongman platform
43:42
Speaker 8: to beat them very nearly in twenty ten and absolutely
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Speaker 8: comprehensively in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Not well, the ingredients are there this time around.
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Speaker 2: He'd be great, be great fun though to having back.
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Speaker 2: You can watch Tony Abbott's documentary on Sky as I said,
43:58
Speaker 2: that'll start on Monday night at seven thirty Australia History,
44:03
Speaker 2: and it's a three night, three part series beginning Monday
44:06
Speaker 2: night at seven thirty pm. So make sure that you
44:09
Speaker 2: tune in Caroline. A lot of talk about in the
44:11
Speaker 2: next hour and a half that the Nobel Peace Prize
44:14
Speaker 2: might be given to Donald Trump. I think it's probably
44:16
Speaker 2: a bit too late. He may end up getting it
44:18
Speaker 2: next year. But given what he's managed to achieve so
44:21
Speaker 2: far with this peace plan, you'd have to be you know,
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't count him out.
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Speaker 14: No, you wouldn't count him out. And if it isn't
44:33
Speaker 14: this year, look you think he'd be pretty he'd be
44:35
Speaker 14: pretty on odds for next year. It was very interesting,
44:39
Speaker 14: even watching something like CNN yesterday and they were trying
44:43
Speaker 14: not to be positive about the president, but they actually
44:46
Speaker 14: really struggled. I think even the progressive media is now
44:49
Speaker 14: so far into a corner on this that such a
44:54
Speaker 14: such a great job has been done over the last
44:57
Speaker 14: few weeks to be able to negotiate this seas it's
45:00
Speaker 14: even difficult for them to poke holes in it. Obviously,
45:03
Speaker 14: Obama received one in two thousand and nine, after I'm
45:07
Speaker 14: not really sure that he did too much, and then
45:09
Speaker 14: eighteen months on went to bomb Libya. So you know,
45:13
Speaker 14: it's very interesting the way these things go and when
45:16
Speaker 14: these things actually get awarded but as things stand at
45:21
Speaker 14: this point, you know, Trump's done something pretty historic and
45:25
Speaker 14: he probably should receive some recognition for it.
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Speaker 2: Joe, I saw the President give Barack Obama a bit
45:32
Speaker 2: of a slap today saying when did he get elected?
45:35
Speaker 2: On how many more weeks after that did he get
45:36
Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize. Trump's actually correct, As Caroline said,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Barak did to deserve it. It's
45:44
Speaker 2: going to be announced tonight. What do you think Trump's
45:46
Speaker 2: going to win one?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I don't think so. Just the timing is
45:49
Speaker 1: against him.
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Speaker 8: The White House has just set out a tweet that's
45:53
Speaker 8: gone crazy, which has Donald Trump sort of walking through
45:56
Speaker 8: the palisades with the Peace President in all capital letters.
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Speaker 1: Of course that's Donald Trump. I think just because people.
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Speaker 8: Were so uncertain as to whether this deal would actually land,
46:07
Speaker 8: and it's still uncertain sort of how far it will
46:10
Speaker 8: go and whether it will stick, I think he's done
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Speaker 8: something absolutely incredible, clearly, something that no one else has
46:16
Speaker 8: been able to do, and which has got his critics
46:19
Speaker 8: tying themselves in knots. And this is where Donald Trump
46:21
Speaker 8: is really handy, the fact that he is an sort
46:24
Speaker 8: of X factor. He slashes the Gordian, not just like
46:28
Speaker 8: Alexander the Great did. He can tell Benjamin Netanyahu what
46:32
Speaker 8: to do, which virtually no one else can do. Haven't
46:35
Speaker 8: met be his wife, but maybe she has some sway
46:38
Speaker 8: over him. But I think, you know, next year, I
46:41
Speaker 8: think if they didn't give it to him, it would
46:43
Speaker 8: be a real pox on their house. But it's probably
46:46
Speaker 8: worth knowing that Alfred Nobel was no shrinking violet either.
46:49
Speaker 8: I believe he invented dynamite and was an arms dealer,
46:52
Speaker 8: So maybe it's fine they got a bit of peace
46:55
Speaker 8: through power.
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Speaker 1: In the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Now locally, I reckon that someone in Australia who needs
47:03
Speaker 2: a Nobel prize of some sorts of Bob Catter have
47:05
Speaker 2: a listen to this question that he raised in question
47:08
Speaker 2: time in Parliament this week.
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Speaker 4: Season's over a thousand North Queensland Rugby League players aboard
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Speaker 4: and you know PM an idle mind. It's the devil's
47:18
Speaker 4: workshop in some of the last jungles left on earth.
47:23
Speaker 4: Three million pigs are destroying our fauna and flora. Please
47:27
Speaker 4: give the boys back their rifles and licensed I emphasized
47:31
Speaker 4: licensed access to national parks.
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Speaker 2: Joe, can you explain the link between rugby league players,
47:39
Speaker 2: rifles and pigs.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to The link is Bob Catter. He's amazing.
47:43
Speaker 1: This guy is.
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Speaker 8: Just something like this is a poet. Laurier and the
47:49
Speaker 8: fact that he used the word license was the most
47:51
Speaker 8: uncatter thing about that speech.
47:53
Speaker 2: I love it, Caroline. What do you think you're going
47:58
Speaker 2: to get a rugby league franchise in Perth? I mean
48:02
Speaker 2: there's plenty of feral pigs in the in on North
48:05
Speaker 2: wa I would have thought that the boys could sort out.
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Speaker 14: Oh, we don't have a huge amount over here, but
48:11
Speaker 14: we're more than happy to put the boys on a
48:13
Speaker 14: plane and send them over to Queensland and New South
48:15
Speaker 14: Wales if they need a hand over there. Look, Bob,
48:19
Speaker 14: if nothing else, tries to be pragmatic and sometimes he
48:23
Speaker 14: doesn't quite get there. But I reckon he's pretty much
48:25
Speaker 14: nailed this one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs a knighthood. Thank you, Caroline, Thank you, Joe,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for that. Joe and Caroline back
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Speaker 2: with us next week now coming up after the US
48:36
Speaker 2: obviously we've got Rowandine with the world. According to Rowan Deine,
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Speaker 2: it's great to be back on a Friday night. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you next Friday,