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DARK FLORIDA: TALE OF SKUNK APE | BROOKE MORELAND · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: and is in the description. So with all that down,
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  Speaker 1: this evening we have with us active bigfoot field researcher
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  Speaker 1: and the creator and the host of the brand new
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  Speaker 1: podcast Dark Florida, Brook Moreland, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's wonderful to have you on. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's really impressive to see your transformation like from a
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  Speaker 1: distance online and the trials and tribulations that you've been through.
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  Speaker 1: So give the audience a little background on yourself and
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  Speaker 1: where you're from and how you got interested in cryptozoology
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately starting this podcast called Dark Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like you said, I'm a dedicated big foot
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  Speaker 2: field researcher, and I created the podcast to give a
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  Speaker 2: space to talk about anything unexplained cryptid or legends from
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  Speaker 2: Florida and beyond, because Florida is vast with legends and more.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like around every corner. And I like to
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  Speaker 2: approach Bigfoot in the sense of like investigative journalism, And
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of how I see myself in the field,
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  Speaker 2: as someone who just isn't speculating, but who's out there
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  Speaker 2: actively gathering information and analyzing evidence and getting out there
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  Speaker 2: and hiking through the thick brush and being where witnesses
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  Speaker 2: have had their sightings take place. And it's one thing
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  Speaker 2: to hear a story and completely another thing to walk
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  Speaker 2: that same trail and see if there's any truth to
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  Speaker 2: the claims.
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  Speaker 1: Have you found any Have you found any truth? Did
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  Speaker 1: you have any experiences like when you were growing up,
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  Speaker 1: Because normally people that I mean I personally think that
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  Speaker 1: people that are that are really into this had some
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  Speaker 1: kind of strange experience when they were growing up, Like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of paranormal researchers, like that's the reason why
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  Speaker 1: they do it right there, they had a really strange
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  Speaker 1: experience whenever they were younger that got them interested in
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. That's what happened to me. But that
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  Speaker 1: seems to be like a common thread. So did you
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  Speaker 1: have any strange or weird experiences when you were growing up?
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  Speaker 2: I think I was just always curious. I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: any strange experiences, but aside from Bigfoot, I was just
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  Speaker 2: fascinated by like mysteries. I had to do a history
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  Speaker 2: report and I could pick any subject I wanted, and
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  Speaker 2: I remember watching a dB Cooper special on the History
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  Speaker 2: Channel and I was instantly hooked and like, from the
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  Speaker 2: list of suspects it could be, with each one more
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  Speaker 2: compelling than the last one. I was like, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to write about this, and so I did, and I
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  Speaker 2: actually won the Social Studies fair with it. So that
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  Speaker 2: really kicked it off. And then years later being in
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  Speaker 2: high school and looking into nine to eleven and Building
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  Speaker 2: seven and just beginning to put together pieces of the
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  Speaker 2: puzzle that a lot of people didn't realize were there.
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  Speaker 2: So I've kind of been blessed with the curse of
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  Speaker 2: wanting to know more. And once you see its symbolism,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you can't turn it off. It's everywhere, And
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  Speaker 2: so just kind of decoding that, and then I think
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  Speaker 2: what pulled me into the world of cryptids was my
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  Speaker 2: nanny actually had a sighting, and she was my grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: and she had her own sighting here in Florida back
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  Speaker 2: in the seventies when it was mostly just citrus groves
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  Speaker 2: and it was not nearly as developed as it is today.
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  Speaker 2: So where she was living, they had just started building,
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  Speaker 2: and so they had the bogs all stacked up from
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  Speaker 2: the construction that Baccos had placed there, and they would
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  Speaker 2: come out in the morning and they would be just
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  Speaker 2: thrown around like match sticks. So everybody in the community
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  Speaker 2: was really on edge about the whole thing. And she
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  Speaker 2: would wake up at three four in the morning to
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  Speaker 2: go deliver papers. And she told me that she began
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  Speaker 2: parking her truck really close to the house so she
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  Speaker 2: could just both out, get in the truck, and leave.
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  Speaker 2: And one morning in particular, when she went to go
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  Speaker 2: make some deliveries, this thing actually chased her and it
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  Speaker 2: ran next to her car, and she said it got
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  Speaker 2: up to about forty fifty miles per hour, and she
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  Speaker 2: notes the odor that it had that it was overwhelming,
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  Speaker 2: and she later in life she developed dementia, and even
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  Speaker 2: in dementia, she would still retell that story with the
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  Speaker 2: same accuracy as she did all those years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: like her expression would change and you could tell it
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  Speaker 2: really hit a nerve with her. I actually have a
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  Speaker 2: recording of her. She just passed away a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: but I was really lucky to record her story. So
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  Speaker 2: I do have that like preserve and it scared her.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think you either get scared out of
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  Speaker 2: the woods by hearing a story like that, or you
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  Speaker 2: become a bigfoot feeld researcher. And I went with option B.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the woods are really interesting. I mean, if people
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  Speaker 1: have ever been out in the woods or in the
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  Speaker 1: forest alone and nighttime, it's a pretty creepy thing. Even
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  Speaker 1: if there isn't anything strange going on, it's still kind
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  Speaker 1: of scary because I think we have this like innate
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  Speaker 1: type of fear of the dark and like being alone.
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  Speaker 1: Like regardless, it's it's a pretty creepy thing. I've been
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  Speaker 1: on hiking before and it's gotten dark and I'm even
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  Speaker 1: I'm on like a trail and I'm kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of creepy.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and especially when you hear something. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why we carry around thermals because that really helps when
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  Speaker 2: you hear those noises in the dark, if you can
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  Speaker 2: kind of pan and you're like, okay, it's just a
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  Speaker 2: raccoon or it's just a deer. Because when you hear
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  Speaker 2: things scuffling at night, you're like, oh, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like the forest makes noises, like it
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  Speaker 1: makes some really strange and weird noises. And another thing
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  Speaker 1: is like big predators too, like panthers. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you guys have any panthers and Florida, but like
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  Speaker 1: wild mountain lions, like really big deal, and those things
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  Speaker 1: will screw you up, like if they get a hold
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they perch up in the trees. We do
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  Speaker 2: have the Florida panthers, we have bears, wild wars to
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  Speaker 2: stay with you.
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  Speaker 1: So what's your I pulled up a list of some
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  Speaker 1: of the cryptids in Florida, and a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: I never even heard of. But what's interesting is that
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  Speaker 1: you said that your grandma had had a sighting back
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  Speaker 1: in the day. And I had a family relative that
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  Speaker 1: also had a sighting of Bigfoot that she would tell
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  Speaker 1: me about when I was growing up, and she had
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  Speaker 1: also seen the moth Man as well, So that kind
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  Speaker 1: of like instilled this this strange thing with me for
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the paranormal and the weird and creepy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But there's like this whole list of you think Florida
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  Speaker 1: has the most like cryptids.
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  Speaker 2: Or like what you know, it's funny. I actually have
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  Speaker 2: a picture up in my living room. I got it
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  Speaker 2: at the We have an annual Christmas Bigfoot dinner party
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  Speaker 2: here and it is as amazing as it sounds. Free
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  Speaker 2: invitation for you to come next year, and so we
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  Speaker 2: do a gift exchange. We try to make the gift
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  Speaker 2: bigfoot related. And I actually have a picture someone got
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  Speaker 2: this beautiful art piece of all the Florida cryptids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the skunk ape. Yeah, I think wampus cat,
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  Speaker 1: sea devils, even like reports of like mega mega alligators,
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  Speaker 1: which alligators do get really big.
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  Speaker 2: In Florida, right they do.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's another another one that's called the muck Monster.
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  Speaker 1: What is the muck Monster? It sounds like a pokemon,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a there's a I think the East Coast
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  Speaker 1: is like really heavy and like a lot of cryptids,
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  Speaker 1: like West Virginia has a lot of them. They also
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  Speaker 1: have big Foot. They have the flat Woods Monster, which
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  Speaker 1: I think the flat Woods Monster is one of the
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  Speaker 1: more interesting ones as well, like a mccaical type of machine.
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  Speaker 1: They also have like the I think Ohio has like
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  Speaker 1: the grass monster or something along those lines.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of paranormal too, even like a skin walker.
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  Speaker 2: I've started calling them crawlers because I actually met and
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  Speaker 2: talked with He's the head medicine man of the Seminole
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  Speaker 2: Indian tribe here in Florida, and I asked him, I said, so,
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  Speaker 2: what is it about skinwalkers, you know, because I'm curious
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  Speaker 2: about that, and he said to me, well, that's more
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  Speaker 2: of like a Navajo based term for that area, and
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  Speaker 2: so out of respect for their culture, I've started calling
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  Speaker 2: them crawlers because I feel like that's a pretty good,
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  Speaker 2: you know, description for what people are seeing as well,
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  Speaker 2: and that's there's a lot of those sightings here in
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  Speaker 2: Florida as well.
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  Speaker 1: What about the old Choopa Cobra. No one talks about
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  Speaker 1: the old Choopa Cabra anymore. That one's kind of just disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't heard anything of that lately.
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  Speaker 1: Or even the Bermuda Triangle. No one really talks about
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  Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle either.
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  Speaker 2: That is true. The Bennington Triangle seems to be the
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  Speaker 2: new one.
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  Speaker 1: What's that one? Where's that out?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's up in Connecticut And people have reported everything
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  Speaker 2: from oh my gosh, bigfoot, to apparitions to even like
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  Speaker 2: little elves, like mischievous elves up there. So yeah, Bennington Triangle,
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  Speaker 2: it's an area in I want to say it spans
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  Speaker 2: Connecticut Vermont. Yeah, in that area, and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of missing persons, disappearances, weird things. So people are starting
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  Speaker 2: to look at that one.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's several triangles. You got the Great Lakes Triangle, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: have the Alaskan Triangle as well, And like Alaska has
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  Speaker 1: the most missing people per capita anywhere else in the
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  Speaker 1: United States. People are just going missing there all the time.
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  Speaker 1: So strange that it's strange, that is weird, And like,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever heard of I bring this one up
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  Speaker 1: because it's one of my favorite ones. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with Florida, but it's called the Alabama
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  Speaker 1: Metal Man. Have you ever heard of the Alabama Metal Man?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like more attention needs to be brought
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  Speaker 1: to the Alabama Metal Man. Okay, it's important because it
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  Speaker 1: has evidence to it. So, and that's another thing about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cryptid sightings is there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: like a lack of evidence. I know that some people
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  Speaker 1: have had like their like, suppose Bigfoot hairs like tested
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  Speaker 1: and then it comes back as like inconclusive or that
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  Speaker 1: it's just like a regular hair from a thing. But
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  Speaker 1: I get it kind of suspicious of that too, because
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  Speaker 1: if it's if it's a physical being and then it's
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  Speaker 1: a physical creature and it has hairs, would the hairs
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  Speaker 1: not come back as like animal hairs? I mean it
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  Speaker 1: would technically be an animal right, Like I think people
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  Speaker 1: are expecting to find something that is that nobody knows
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  Speaker 1: exactly what it is, when that might not be the case.
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  Speaker 1: It might just have might you know, the DNA structure
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  Speaker 1: might come out to just be in an animal.
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  Speaker 2: Hair, right. You know who writes extensively about that who
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  Speaker 2: I really like everybody is Dave Politis. He actually was
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  Speaker 2: at the first Bigfoot conference I went to in Florida,
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  Speaker 2: and I saw him again at the Smoking Mountain one,
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  Speaker 2: and he's a fantastic one to watch if you ever
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  Speaker 2: get the opportunity to hear him speak. He really puts
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  Speaker 2: on a good presentation. And he claims to have gathered
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  Speaker 2: bigfoot hair through a series of experiments where he had
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  Speaker 2: wrapped the sticky side of the tape around like a
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  Speaker 2: tree and I think about like nine ten feet up
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  Speaker 2: and he placed I want to say peanut butter, and
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  Speaker 2: he said McDonald's pancakes. That's kind of like his thing
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  Speaker 2: that he's like, they love them. And so he got
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  Speaker 2: some hair samples, sent them off to be tested, and
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  Speaker 2: what he claims that he received back from gen Bank,
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  Speaker 2: which is supposed to be one of the largest DNA
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  Speaker 2: collections agencies in the world, is that gen Bank came
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  Speaker 2: back and said that the hair dates back to about
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  Speaker 2: nine thousand years ago on the mother's side from the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, and that the male profile there is no
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  Speaker 2: known anything in the gen Bank that came back, so
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  Speaker 2: it came back to the Middle Eastern woman and then
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  Speaker 2: an unknown specimen. So he gives an interesting talk on it.
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  Speaker 2: So if you ever get the chance to listen to it,
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  Speaker 2: I highly recommend it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be a contact in the Desert
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  Speaker 1: this year that I want to be going to. He's
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  Speaker 1: a keynote speaker, so I'm going to get to hear
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  Speaker 1: and talk. I'm going to be there. So Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of his work. His documentaries are really good.
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  Speaker 1: His I mean, he's probably the only person that has
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  Speaker 1: broad any kind of substantial evidence of any kind of
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  Speaker 1: alien abduction thing with this new documentary. You watched it
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  Speaker 1: right there. I forget what the name of it, the
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  Speaker 1: UFO connection, mister, for the UFO connection with the guy
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  Speaker 1: that shot at the alien and like hit it like
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  Speaker 1: a freaking force field that crushed the bullet. He still
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  Speaker 1: has the bullet. It's a really wild that's a wild one.
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  Speaker 1: I really like that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a good dude. Yeah, he's an
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  Speaker 2: excellent researcher too. I have a couple of his books,
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  Speaker 2: and he has an interesting theory. But some people that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that he's one of those figures that are
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  Speaker 2: a little bit controversial in the Bigfoot world. Because that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing that people don't tell you when you get
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  Speaker 2: into it, is that you think, oh my gosh, it's great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here, I found Bigfoot, I found my people. This
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  Speaker 2: is going to be great for eternity, until you realize
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  Speaker 2: that it's still just like any other group of people,
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  Speaker 2: and people have their own opinions and beliefs and things,
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  Speaker 2: and with Bigfoot, you could ask ten people what they
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  Speaker 2: think about it, and you're gonna get ten very different answers,
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  Speaker 2: and you have a flesh and blood camp, you have
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  Speaker 2: a gigantopithecus camp, human hybrid camp, you have the eighth camp.
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  Speaker 2: And so depending on where they fall, they have strong
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  Speaker 2: opinions about some of the like talking points. So like
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  Speaker 2: Meldrum would really represent the science camp, Doctor Meldrum, and
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  Speaker 2: then Dave Politis is kind of like more the WU guy.
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  Speaker 2: So so it just depends on where people's beliefs fall
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  Speaker 2: on that with you know who they probably like.
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  Speaker 1: Then you also have the government experiment camp. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: think that they're like created by the government, like that
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  Speaker 1: they're hybrid, like time era like hybrids that they just
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  Speaker 1: let loose in the forest.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which is kind of Roosevelt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's more along the lines of like dog Man,
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  Speaker 1: Like I think more people think that about dog Man
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  Speaker 1: than Bigfoot, but it's kind of put on that.
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  Speaker 2: Campus that is true. You know, it's interesting you say that,
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  Speaker 2: because I've heard more dog Man. I think that there.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's where people get it. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say wrong, because I'm open to everyone's opinions, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that there is a level of government involvement
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  Speaker 2: with Bigfoot that just not in the way of it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being something that was released out into the woods.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they know what's going on with Bigfoot,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that they're well aware of whatever the
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  Speaker 2: phenomena is. I don't think that it's lost on them.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty of legislation that actually says you cannot kill
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  Speaker 2: a big foot. Why would we write a law for
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  Speaker 2: something that doesn't exist? And I want to say, even
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  Speaker 2: here in Florida, swift Mud which is the South Florida
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  Speaker 2: it stands to long acronym, but it basically stands for
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  Speaker 2: the fish and wildlife. Even in their rules for their property,
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  Speaker 2: it says that you you can't kill the skun case,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And they publish their hunting rules every year
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  Speaker 2: and that is still in there to this day.
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  Speaker 1: So skunk Cape would be the equivalent of Bigfoot for Florida, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, which is going to be a little bit different
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  Speaker 2: than like what you might you might see in the
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 1: So you got Yadi, skunk Cape, and Bigfootah. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: different names for different ones depending on the region that
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  Speaker 1: you're in. But I do think that there's something to
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  Speaker 1: the government side of it. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: know the guy's name. I'm sure you remember his name,
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  Speaker 1: because I hear a lot of these stories a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and I listen to them because I think it's interesting, right,
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  Speaker 1: But it's hard for me to retain people's names because
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  Speaker 1: there's so many stories and so many things going on
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  Speaker 1: out there. But the one guy that was a truck driver,
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  Speaker 1: you're familiar with this guy. He was a truck driver
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  Speaker 1: and he got supposedly attacked by a dog man or
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: like some kind of creature, and he shot at it
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and thought that he killed it, and then he turned
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: his truck around and then went back and it was missing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And then there's this jeep that was pulled up there
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that had like a government supposedly like a government license
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: plate on it or whatever. And then a few years
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: later he went to I don't even know how long
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it was and probably misquoting it because I'm just remembering
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, But then he went
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to a truck like waystation and they had him get
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: out of the out of his truck and like go
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: inside of this into the waystation, and it was like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the people there was like, we got some people that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you or whatever. And this is
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: all according to him, right, it's all his story and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the people. And then these two people in like suits
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: show up and was like, you basically told him that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you killed one of our projects or whatever. Interesting, And
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: they took his gun and took his passport and took
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: his license and all that and like never returned any
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: of it. I have to look it up to remember
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: his name. But I thought that was kind of It's
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: at least interesting, right, You don't know how much truth
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: there is still a lot of that stuff because it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: all like eyewitness people like telling a story, but it's
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: at least interesting.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, have you heard that story before? You
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: know it sounds familiar. I don't think I thought I
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: was with you to a point, but I've heard similar
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: things with dog Man, more government involvement with that one,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to skip over the Alabama metal Man,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: because Alabama Metal Man is important. In nineteen seventy three,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: this guy called Jeff Greenshaw. He was a police chief.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: He received a call in the middle of the night
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: about some strange activity. It's kind of up in the air.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: What was said on the phone to him, some saying
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that it was that a woman I called him said
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that she's seen a UFO out in this field. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he ended up grabbing his keys drove out to where
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the lady said that she had seen this anomalous activity.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: He didn't see a spaceship, but standing in the middle
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of the road was a six foot tall figure and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: according to greenshawal it looked like it was like wrapped
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in like very thick aluminum foil. And he yelled out
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to it. It didn't respond, So he goes back to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: his vehicle, grabs a camera, a polaroid camera that he
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: had had in his glove box, and got closer to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the being and he snapped three photos of it, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: there's actually here's the photos. Three photos of this metal man.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Then the entity turns around and runs off. He gets back,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: He gets back in his vehicle and tries to chase
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: after it, and it like out runs him. So he
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: says that he was traveling around thirty five miles per hour,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: so this thing was running even faster than he could
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: keep up with it, faster than his vehicle even goes
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting about it is like the aftermath of it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So after he had like said what happened to like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the police department and the other people they basically like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: ridiculed him and said that he was that he set
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all this up. Well, there's a bunch of theories. Some
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: people said that he set it all up and that
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: he was trying to play a prank, or that they
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that they were kids like playing a prank. But I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: don't know what kid is over you know, six feet tall,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know what. Because it was around October, so I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: mean it kind of makes sense that it would be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like a Halloween prank. But his house was later broken into,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the photos were stolen, he got fired from the police department,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and his house burnt down, and his marriage got completely destroyed.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: His wife basically worse to move these.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, you know what, this is a really like out
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and left field theory. But what if that was like
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: some early prototype of like an AI robot that the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: government was like, yeah, let's test this thing, and he
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: just went and ran into like an early prototype that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: was like way ahead of its time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it kind of looks like a space
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: suit too a little bit. It could be like an
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: early yeah test the world of a space suit. I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: mean it's kind of hard to zoom in because equality
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is not the best, but kind of looks like a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: because the underwater suits that divers use look very similar.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But you can kind of see a face in here. Yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see, but there's like a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It looks like it has.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: A really long neck apparatus too.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could. It definitely could be, and that would
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: make sense because it looks like there's just tube that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: going down right here. Yeah, but it would make sense
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: if it was. And I'm not saying that I know
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. I just think it's a really
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: interesting story. But it would make sense that if this
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was some sort of extraterrestrial being, which I'm on the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: fence if they even exist, but if it was, then
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it would make sense that you would need to be
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in this type of suit because if you're from like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: another planet with another atmosphere and a different gravity and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: different sun and everything, you would need some kind of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: protective shielding. I just think that that's one of the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: most interesting ones that I've ever ran across stuff, because
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: there's actual photos of it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: No, thank you for sharing that story. That's really cool.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. What do you think of the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: do you remember back around? I think it was like
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a year ago. It did show on it. It was
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the the couple in Colorado that was on a train
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and they filmed what looked like a creature outside of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the train that was walking. Did you see that video?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I did. I did. I thought that was really interesting
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: because I felt like, what perfect timing, because the Colorado
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: wilderness has got to be rocky, that probably is not
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: an easy place to get to. So I thought that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: led to the credibility of it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And I kind of looked like that the being. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: thought it was interesting because of being like looked like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it was like sitting down like it looked like it
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was trying to blend in with the shrubbery and the brush, like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and that's what you would do if you realize that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you had kind of been spotted. But that would be
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: also what a hunter would do as well. A hunter
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: would want to blend in with the I mean, that's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: why they wear cameo, right, is trying and blend in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: with the strawberry and the greenery. So I don't really
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: know what to think of it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. I don't want. I don't know.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen some good footage though, but I don't know
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: what to make of that one.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: What's the best footage that you think that you've seen,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: because it's another thing with like these scriptives and stuff like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: even with UFO footage, it seems to be like it's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: all shot on a freaking early two thousand's motor role
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of flip phone.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Now that is true, that is true. Well, I mean
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I've actually had my own sort of encounter. I'll get
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: back to the footage because I can tell you footage
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: is one thing, but actually kind of seeing something and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: experiencing it is a completely different thing entirely, you know.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: And it's not until you kind of experience something that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be happening that it really clicks and it's real.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Because the whole time I'm there and like, you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: we have this faith that these things exist, but until
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you've really come face to face with one, there's always
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that little piece in your mind that's kind of just
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like is it? Though? So last June, let me back
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it up a little bit. The BFRORO, which is the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot Field Research Organization, breaks sightings up into two groups.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: You have a class A sighting, which is like you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: saw something big Harry obviously not human, and you saw
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this thing, there's no way that you could be misidentifying it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You laid eyes on it. Class B is like you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: heard it a vocalization, you saw tracks, you maybe found hair,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a sign of its existence, but without actually putting your
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: eyes on the creature that made it. So that's kind
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of how they break the two sightings up. So what
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I experienced in the Green Swamp last June was more
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: on the Class B side because we actually found what
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I believe our prints, and we were primitive camping out
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: there for a few days and we hadn't seen anybody
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the entire time we were out there. We were deep
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in the woods, and we use e bikes to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: around because you can get ten, fifteen, twenty miles deep
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and then hike around from there. Because in Florida, let's
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: be honest, the heat and the humidity zaps you quick.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So if we can get further into a remote area
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and location to really immerse ourselves in the environment, it's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a huge help. So we were riding back from one
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of the locations that we had been at, and we're
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: always surveying the ground, or at least I know that
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I am. I'm always looking to see if we spot
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: any kinds of tracks or signs, because you'll see bear, coyote,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: turkey in the limestone kind of sand or mud, which
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is primarily what these trails consist of. So we're riding
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: along and I look down and I'm like, holy crap,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I see a track. So I'd like slam on the brakes,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: everybody stop. And so we get off and we start
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: surveying the area because this is clearly a footprint. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: we found this trackway and the trackway veers off the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: trail into the woods on no obvious trail, like it
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: goes completely off the main trail into nothing. And so
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I get out my phone and I start measuring these
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: tracks because some of them were in the mud and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you could really see the details. You could see the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: toes that had dug into the mud. And I'm like, oh,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: this is this is so crazy. So I get it
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: out and I start measuring it, and it was I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: want to say, twelve and a half inches long by
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: five inches wide by two inches deep, and then the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: stride length between this first track and the next track
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: was around five feet six inches and I'm five nine,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So for me to do that, I would have to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: pretty much do the splits, and I still wouldn't be
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: able to achieve that ratio. So I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm taking pictures of everything, measuring everything. And I kept
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: it to myself for a little while because I really
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: wanted to be sure, because I had a few people
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: tell me that somebody runs barefoot out in the green Swamp,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: which very well might be true. In my heart, I
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: really genuinely believe that these are bigfoot tracks, and I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: kept it to myself because I was like, I want
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to be sure before I put anything out. And I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: actually went to the Great Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference in July,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: so about a month later, I'd had these and we
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: stayed with some BFRORO investigators up there who have been
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: leading expeditions and have been in this field for a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: really long time, so they've been around, they've taken reports,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: they've seen it all, and so I showed them the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: tracks and she was blown away when I showed her,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and she was like, you are onto something. And then
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: she was like did they just veer off trail into nothing?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, and she was like mm hmm, okay,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and so it was almost like she knew, and it
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: was just that was like the validation I needed, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: so I was like, oh, this is awesome, Like she
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: thinks these are legit, Like this is really cool. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: showed them to a few more people and they're like,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: those are really good. And then a photo came out
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of the green swamp of some trailcam footage where it
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: looks like there's this tall what you would describe as
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like a skuncpe figure, and it to me looks like
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a little one is in toe, like possibly a juvenile.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And so I know I had these footprints and I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: was like, augh, I felt like I needed to post
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it because I felt inauthentic holding on to this evidence,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: because when we go out there, it's not that we
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: just go looking for bigfoot. I look at it like
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: we're going to find the truth. And I just felt
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: like it was inauthentic to hold onto it, and I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to live my truth and publish it. And I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: know some people will say that it's a barefoot runner,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and it could be. But what's really interesting about that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: is that was like my class be sighting, and I
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: know that was really weird, and we were out there
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: just in the middle of nowhere, and then I actually,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: we're going on an official BFRO expedition this week up
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: in North Florida, and I can't say exactly where other
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: than to say it's in the Panhandle because they do
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: make you sign an NDA so that way people don't
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: come and you know, skew anything, and they really try
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to give people a good experience in an active area,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: so we don't want it like getting out to everybody. Well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: we went up myself and my research partner, Marion. We
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: went up to help Jeff the organizer, scout some locations
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: back in Thanksgiving. And so we're up there and this
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: is in the middle of nowhere. There's barely any self service,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: like horrible. We're in the middle of this National forest
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and we're a few days into the trip, and we
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: had already been warned about this area because this area
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: has skin walker legends, black Eyed Kids legends, along with Bigfoot.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So really a whole ton of really crazy stuff happening
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: up in this area, multiple reports from one of them
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: being from someone I know personally, so I already kind
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: of have that in the back of my mind. I'm like, okay, great.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: So we get there and it's on like the last day,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we're settling in around the fire. There was an extreme
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: freeze warning out, so we're kind of winding down for
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the evening and my friend Marian goes, I lost my
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: phone and we're like, oh no, because it's not like
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: we can call it. So we just got up and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: we're like, okay, we'll help you look for it, because
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: she thinks she lost it when she went on the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: solo hike on this trail around the campground earlier. So
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: we're like, okay, let's go. Let's go find it because
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: right now it's like nine o'clock at night. So we
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: get up and the trail literally goes up behind someone's campsite,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So we try to be really respectful when we're at
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the trailhead and we're walking and I see these lights
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: up ahead, and I'm like, are we already back at
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the campsite? Jeff's in front of me, Mary's behind me,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and then these two lights they just disappear, and I'm like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: what the heck? And so now at this point I'm thinking,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: is that someone's head lamp? Is there someone else out here?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Because like I said, we were in the middle of
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the forest. Unfortunately, people do poach. They do do illegal hunting,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and I think what scares me more is running into
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: somebody like that out there at night who does not
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: want to be bothered. So I'm like, Jeff, like, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: get back here. So he comes back. I'm like, I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just saw these two lights up there, and he's like ah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: so brings up the flashlight and were scanning the woods.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And so where I saw the lights was about twelve
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: o'clock on the trail and then the light hits and
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I see these two eyes around the nine o'clock position,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and I see them and they just move like up down, up,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: down really quick, and it just sent a chill down
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: my spine. I got really scared. I own well, I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just didn't know what to do. I started kind of
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: internally shaking because I was like, that was it moved
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: in such an unnatural way and we couldn't see it anymore.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And he goes, well, it now knows that you saw it,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and it is hunkered down like right there, like it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: hunkered down back there, and we're looking in the brush
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and I mean it's pitch black, it's freezing. You can
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: only see so far into the shrubs, and you just
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I know what I saw, and so
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I just have this awful feeling of kind of like
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: dread that just kind of comes over you. And I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: got myself together. We talked amongst ourselves and like do
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: we turn around? And we go back and we're like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: we need to try this and find this phone. So
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: we keep pressing on and we get a little further
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: up in the trail and Jeff goes, oh, my gosh,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like I just saw this black shadow figure
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: next to me. And we're like what, and he was like,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it took my mind a minute to process what I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: just saw. And we went back to where he said
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: he had just seen this thing, and you know, the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: brush is so thick, but you could definitely see where
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: there were some game trails where something could be moving
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: around there. So those were some of the weird sightings
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I've had.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: How big did you say that the print was? How
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: did you measure it? Did you measure it with a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: measuring tape or ruller or you took pictures of it? Right?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have pictures of it. We used a measuring
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: tape and I used the measure app on my phone,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: so I have both. And it was twelve and a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: half by five by two death, so.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Twelve and a half inches long.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, which is a little small.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, because if the stride was
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: five feet for a twelve and a half foot I mean,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I'm six five and I wear a size fourteen shoe.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could. I could probably stride
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: if I was really stretching, I could probably stride that long.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't really make sense because normally the taller
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that you are, that means the bigger that your foot is.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So if it was you get what I'm saying, It
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense of how it
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: could be that short of a print and have that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: long of a stride. I mean, but we don't really
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: know what these creatures are like. They might have smaller
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: feet to make them more agile, but they're actually taller
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: so it makes them be able to run around. I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Well, we sort of had. We were thinking about that too,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and we're floating around different theories and ideas. And my
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: friend Mary and she went to an expedition in Missouri
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and she was chatting with Shane Carpenter, and I want
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to believe he that's the name Shane Carpenter, and he
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: has this property. It's four hundred acres and it's private property,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: which for bigfoot is like a gold mine because it's untouched.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You don't have people coming in and trampling evidence, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: you can really just hone in on an area. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: he began to notice a pattern with the prints that
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: they were finding on that property that every two years
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: they would start finding these smaller prints. And his theory
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: is that over time, as they mature and reach adulthood,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that their feet actually flattened out. The bigfoot's feet will flatten,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: but when they're younger, you're going to have more of
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the arch, they're going to be a little smaller, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: then as they get older that's where they begin to flatten.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And then for Florida specifically, the skuncape is usually a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: good foot or too shorter than what's reported out in
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest. You'll hear a lot of nine ten
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: feet reports out there, but here you kind of get
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that six foot maybe seven foot tall. So they are
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a little smaller down here in Florida. So I don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: know if that plays into it at all, but definitely
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to consider.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Did you end up finding your friend's phone.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, we did, thankfully.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Where did you find it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: With a little further up on the trail, because she
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: realized she didn't have on her orange and when you're
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: out there in the woods like that during hunting season,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: we try to all wear orange, and so she realized
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: she didn't have it, so she had taken her pack
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: off and went to go put the orange vest on
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and she thinks it fell out.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Then m Yeah, that's really interesting because lights and things
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: are also kind of associated with cryptid sightings as well,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like them the strange anomalous lights and like orbs. My
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: friend Trey Hudson, he has footage of what he believes
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is do you guys use thermal imaging cameras at all?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: We do? So he has this thermal imaging footage of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: this place that he calls the Meadow, which is he's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: never disclosed exactly where It's kind of like what you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: were talking about with this other gentleman. They don't want
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to disclose the where the exact location is because then
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of people will be showing up and it
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: probably disrupt a lot of things. So he has this
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: place called the Meadow and he has a whole team.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: They're like all military, they're all military team, and they
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: go out there and investigate. And he has footage of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: this entity that's like standing in the brush and then
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like it's like a shadow and it seems like it's
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: really tall, and then it like splits in the two
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: different beings and then it goes back into one. It's
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: some of the most compelling footage that I've ever seen.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I saw it at a conference like four years ago,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and doesn't really share it because he's making like documentaries
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and using the footage and he doesn't want the footage
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: out there. But he also has footage of like a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: portal that opened, like a legit real portal where his
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: team walk through and they completely disappear off of the fleer,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: like they're just walking alongside this lake and they just
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: walking walking and then they're gone. Like that's not how
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: flear footage works, Like it doesn't matter what you're really behind.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I guess if you're walked in behind a really big tree,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it might be able to block the thermal imaging camera.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: But there's three of them that walk and then they
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: just disappear. It's wild.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm familiar with the project you're talking about. I've
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: always wanted to see that footage.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got some UFO stuff as well, some strange
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: lights in the sky and stuff. But it is some
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of the most interesting and footage that I've ever really seen.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I wish you would let me. Wish you would let
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: me do a show on it and present the footage
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on her bed. He's trying to do a bunch of
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: other stuff with it, so but I've seen it. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: got to see it at the at the conference and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it was very compelling.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I know you asked me about footage. And to get
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: back to that, there is a set of researchers and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: based out of Okala, their Bigfoot Bigfoot World Cryptids, the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Paranormal Researchers of Central Florida, and we've become really close friends.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Shout out to them. They're awesome.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think they were hearing the somewhere really.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. So they are the best and
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: they got so much footage and that was one of
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the things is which actually showed me the raw footage
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: on her Oh there she is. They showed me the
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: raw footage on the computer of the actual thing, so
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: it's not edited in any type of way and they
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: were filming backwards actually using the thermal in one of
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: their locations, and she's just going through the footage, reviewing
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: everything when she came across this particular section and clear
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: as day you can see this being just move up
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the tree, just effortlessly. And it is the craziest thing
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to me. It looks almost like that scene where Edward
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and Bella are going through the trees and Bella's on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: his back. It almost looks like either someone's on the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: back of someone or maybe wings and they thought maybe
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: even like some kind of a Martian or something like that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: But it's it's definitely one of the most compelling pieces
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of evidence that I've seen. I know that they have
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that posted, so I'll have to send that to you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. And they've taken this out to some
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of their research locations which are very active.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always really find it interesting, Like with anything,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: people always try and come on and clean that they
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: faked in, like it it's been with like circles. That's
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: another one that's really interesting. To completely discredit the entire
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: thing they essentially have, Like these farmers come out with
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: these things and say that they made all the crop circles, like,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: there's no way that you can make this. Like some
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of them, obviously, others are fabricated, they're they're not real,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But some of the more intricate ones like I don't
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: see how somebody can do that with a freaking wood plank.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really make any sense. But there's always those
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: types of people that come out, like like the one
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: gentleman and his son, they said that they would make
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the bigfoot cast like Prince and then they would go
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: out and like put them in in the forest or
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: whatever that they're like fake. And people have claimed that
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the Patterson and Gimblin footage is you know, someone in
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a Bearer costume. Some people said that they faked the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: moth Man siding. So there's always those people that like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: come out and it is like, oh, well, this isn't real.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I was the one that faked all this stuff. Yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: which they could have that that could have been the case,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: but and and they could have done it at the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: same time, But that doesn't mean that there wasn't something
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like also real going on, like the one UFO case
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that Netflix did a documentary on that was at the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: school you're familiar with the second Zimbabwe or some other
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: country where they a bunch of these school kids seen
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a UFO in the in the back of the school
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in like a field or whatever, and the being came
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: out of the UFO and like approached like some of
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the kids or whatever. And then there was one guy
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that said that he's the one that convinced all the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: kids to have the same story. Like one kid said
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that he's the one that made it all up. So
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: there's like always those people that come out and try
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and like discredit which you don't really know. You don't
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: really know, And I think that that that just adds
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to the mystery of this whole thing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: It does, and I think that there could be an
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: intentional and I've discussed this with some people close to me.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I think that there's an intentional side of it too,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: because just like with misinformation as far as like the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: alien stuff, so that you know, they do the disclosure
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and you have people who come out and they say
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: these things that are really baseless, but people will cling
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: on to that, and I think it's almost done. It's
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: almost discredit and say, oh, like I said, oh, someone's
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: going out and making those prints in the wood. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: wonder how much of it is intentional just to add
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: a little chaos to something, because I you know, even
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Dave Politis talks about it because apparently some federal agents
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: have popped up at the conferences he's been at, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: he at the Florida one said that they came by
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: his booth and you know, they're like, hey, who's it going.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And He's like like, oh right, Like what are you
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: guys like doing here? So I'm looking around, like who's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the feed? So I'm trying to like figure it out.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But I feel at some level, even you know, with
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: this field and with the alien disclosure stuff, I wonder
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: how much is intentional just not true, just to muddy
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the waters, to keep us further from really getting to
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the truth of it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a big contention with me when it
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: comes to anything UFO related or alien related, because when
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you look back at the history of a lot of
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the UFO mythology, it all comes directly from the government.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It all comes from OSI and the nsay, like pretty
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: much everything that people report that repeat, things about uphology
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and like aliens and extraterrestrial involvement all come directly from
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the government. Like it's like it's so crazy, and that's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: why I've kind of taken a step back from the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: UFO topic. And it's gotten so political as well. You know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it's all about you know, we need more government transparency.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, the government is the one that created
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: all this, Like you want the government to tell you
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that you want the government to accept it now when
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: they've been the ones that has essentially created the entire phenomenon.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, it's super wild.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So the sightings that you've had in Florida, have you
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: ran into people that have had similar experiences? Like what
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: is the most common cryptid that people see in Florida?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Is Is it the Strunk Cape?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I would say so. Yeah, we're the third most popular
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: state for bigfoot sightings. I believe we lead behind California
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and Washington. So Florida's the third, So I think that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: would be probably the most. Obviously, there's a lot of
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: haunted things here in Florida. There is a little bit
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: of a dark history. I mean, you go to Saint
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Augustine and pretty much anywhere you go in that city
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: is haunted just due to its really gory kind of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: a past. It's America's oldest city by the way. A
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that it dates back to
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the fifteen hundreds, so definitely Bigfoot. But there's also a
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: lot of ghost sightings and things like that here too.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think there's star forwards in Florida. Have you ever
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: been to one of your star Fords?
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I believe. What did you think about that?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I love that whole round. A home could go down
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: that one for a while. I love that the old
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: world Florida and the Tartaria stuff. I can I can
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: get lost in that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think that? What do you think that
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: they were? Do they have like guided tours of those
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: areas or can you just go and look? Are they
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: still really big structures or are they like smaller structures?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny. The one in Saint Augustine. You
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: can go right up to it, you can walk around it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I've noticed like they do close it down a
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: lot to the public for repairs or whatever it may be.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: But it's definitely still standing. You can walk right up
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to the outside of it. And what makes that one
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: kind of unique is it was made with the shell
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I think cocina, and it absorbs gunshots or cannon balls
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and it's actually almost like a sponge. So that's one
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: of the cool things about it that it's still standing
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: is because it's kind of flexes. It's not like just
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: solid cement or something that has no give to it
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: got a little bit of gift to it, and you
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: can walk right up to it. You can even see unfortunately,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: like one side of the walls where they would shoot
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: prisoners and things like that, you can still see all
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: of their execution areas with all the bullet holes and
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: stuff in it. So yeah, you can walk up to it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: That's wild. And what are they What are historians in
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Florida say that they were used for? Because I think
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that that's always really important and people try and like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: discount all of those things. But I'd like to know what,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like the official story is, and like what they say
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that it was, and like how they believe that it
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: was built, because then you can inform your own opinion
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: based off of what they say and what they say
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: that it is.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I believe they said that the Spaniards built it because
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: the Spanish landed in that Saint Augustine area, But they
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: also have the Fountain of Youth there, which is really interesting.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: They have this area that they claim is the Fountain
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of View, and you can go and actually drink the water,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: because they said that when they landed that all the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Indians they were, or Native Americans indigenous were so tall
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and just beautiful that they thought that they had found
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the Fountain of Youth. And there are a lot of minerals,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: really rich deposits in the water. So not sure if
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: that played a part to it, but that's another interesting
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: piece of say honesty in history.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I've heard that as well. I've heard that that's where
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: they believe that the Fountain of Youth. Have you been there?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Have you drink the water?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me, beautiful? What what did it taste like?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Did it taste different?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Uh? No, it just kind of tastes it. You can.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like you can tell that it's a little
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: bit more on the earthier side. It's got the minerals
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and stuff in it, because you can tell when you've
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: got really good water with all the nice nutrients in it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: So I would say a little earthier. But maybe it's psychosomatic.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They have a whole they on the inside.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: You can go and port yourself.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I got a conspiracy. What if they make you believe
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that that's the fountain of youth and everyone can come
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and drink the water, but the real fountain of youth
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: is underneath the perceived fountain of youth.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: That is direction with that, it's like actually stealing your youth.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I was about to be like, oh no, that reminds
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: me of that movie as above, so below. Have you
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: seen that one about the Paris Catacombs where they're trying
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: to go and find the jewel what's the Philosopher's Stone?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I know what you're talking about, but I've
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: never seen it.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And they go into the catacombs and then at the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: end of it, there they go. They have to go
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: so deep through the catacolmbs that they essentially like pop
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: out on the other side.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Interesting like an upside down world.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, sort of like an upside down road. Okay, which
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: makes sense because that's what I believe that occultist and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: the like dark magic, that's what they practice, is that
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: they want to go so deep into the darkness that
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: they pomp out on the other side into the light.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes sense or not.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I gotta go super dark to get super light. I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: guess it's a screwed up way to do it, but
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that's what they believe.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I think it is that dark to light and I
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: know the Masons are really into that.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Is there a lot of I've never been the floor. Well,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I actually I have been to Florida. I went to Jacksonville.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I did not like Jacksonville, but I've always wanted to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: actually go to Florida, and like Florida, Florida, is there
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of Freemason I mean every town kind of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: has a Freemason building, right.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unfortunately it does. But there's actually one place
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I really want to go. It's in Mountain Dora. And
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: so Mount Dora's kind of this just like a little
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: town right outside of Orlando essentially, with a lot of
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: little lakes and things around it. And in the town,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: there's actually a Masonic temple there that they It's like
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: this old Victorian style home, probably eighteen hundreds or early
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, and you go and you can actually do
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: a ghost tour there and it is definitely a Masonic temple.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: It has all the imagery on the stained glass, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that is a place that I want to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: check out.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Isn't that sing in Augustine Lighthouse? I supposedly super honey.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: And if you ask some people's opinions, they will tell
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you that every lighthouse in Florida is haunted, has its
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: own tail.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I remember seeing a I think it was
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: a picture that someone took out the Saint Augustine. It's
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like the most famous picture that was taken there that
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: had the lady in white at the at the bottom
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: of the step or at the top of the step
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Are you familiar with that one?
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny? As I believe I know the
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: woman who took the photo. Oh really, yes, I'm pretty sure.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: So with Bigfoot World, one of the researchers in that group,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: her name is Pam, and she said that she had
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: walked up the stairs and it kind of comes out
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: and you can look around like a three sixty view. Well,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the rest of the group went and left and she
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: went right, and it was almost as if, I believe,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: she said, like the creature or the woman in white,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: like I was trying to avoid this group over here
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and didn't consider her coming around from over there, so
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: she was able to kind of sneak up and capture it,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and she donated the photo to the lighthouse and it's
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: still there. So I'm wondering if that's the same one.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it right now, but I can't
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: seem to. They probably just want it for their museum,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: so they don't put it out online a lot.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. There is a really cool museum there
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: in a house that you can go and tour and
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: has a lot of information about the home and the area.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: That's a really cool place.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Put in Saint Augustine, Florida. Lady in white photo, come
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: on Google comes through for me. Nope, I'm not finding it,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: but I distinctly remember seeing it before. Yeah, but I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: don't remember if it was at the top of the
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: step or if it was like the I think it
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: was at the bottom of the staircase, wasn't it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: It could be. I know people have reported some weird
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: stuff there. I've been. I haven't seen anything weird but
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: that I'm also afraid of heights, so I was like, okay,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: inside decline the staircase.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: So back to the footage of this stuff, because we
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: were talking about the footage of like Bigfoot and why
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it always seems to be super blurry. And not only
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: but that, but with UFO footage as well, it seems
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: like it's always like the worst type of footage, Like
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: it's always the most blurry, the most grainy footage that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: you've ever seen, which is so strange for the time
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that we have now. I mean, I have like the
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: latest iPhone, and the quality on the phone, even if
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: you have like an Android or like some of those
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Google phones like are incredible with pictures, like you can
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: literally take the sharpest freaking picture better than any super
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: highly expensive camera that you could buy. And it's just
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: really strange to me why it seems like everything is
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: always so blurry. And as a filmmaker and as someone
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: that works a lot with editing and uses a lot
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, software to put things together, the reason
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: that you would want something to be super blurry, especially
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: when it comes to like UFO footage, is because the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: object is artificially inserted into the photo or artificially inserted
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: into the video. So you would want to blur the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: whole thing to try and like cover up the fact
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that the subject of the video or the photo has
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: been artificially put into the video or photo. So if
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: you blur at all. It makes it seem like that
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: because if you were to make the background really clear,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and then the footage of the thing that's in the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: photo is not as clear as the background, then it's
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: going to make it to where it's very obvious that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it's been placed into the video or the funnel.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. I feel like so many of the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: settings you hear, they're really quick. So to play Devil's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Advocate here a little bit and just some Bigfoot facts
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: is that a lot of these settings are fast. They
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: happen anywhere from five to maybe ten seconds. They're usually
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: not you usually don't hear. Oh, I was hiking along,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I walked up on Bigfoot. I got to watch it
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: for a little while, like watch it, eat lunch, and leave.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of these happened really quick, and so even
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: us being out there trying to be prepared, like when
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: we went to go look for her phone, it was
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: not bigfoot on the mind, it was okay, we got
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: to find the phone, so we didn't have any of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: our normal equipment going to try to capture anything, which
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I know it's like everyone's always like, oh did you
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: get it? Really we weren't running it because so I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: just wonder that sometimes with these photos, if like, because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: they happen so quickly, if you know, maybe the frame
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: rate or something like that affects the clarity of the image.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And because these things are happening so fast, I feel
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: like with the UFOs, so you would have a better
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: chance of getting something. I think that those sightings usually
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: last a little bit longer. You'll hear people say, well,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: the light followed me or I saw the lights for
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: a few minutes, whereas bigfoot happens incredibly incredibly fast. So
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: that's why I think. I wonder if there's the lack
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: of evidence from that side.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That could be. That could be because I mean, if
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you see something strange and you're not expecting it and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: you just whip out your phone or whatever. I would
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: just strap a freaking go pro to my head, just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: strap a go pro duct tape of GoPro to my
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: helmet or my head if I was going out on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: bigfoot investigating, and I would just record the entire time.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Must we look? Oh man, I'll have to senduce some pictures,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: but most of us do have the and I have
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it too. I know. I definitely try to go for
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the aesthetics. Sometime I'm like, gosh, this is like crazy
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: contraption on my head. But you're right, we talk about it.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: It's the best way to capture footage because your head.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Wherever your neck goes, your head's going, whereas your chest.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: If you say we're biking along or even you're walking
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: and you turn your head, your chest isn't moving. Your
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: chest is still putting straight ahead. So if you're seeing
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: something maybe off to the left or right or behind you, yeah,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: you're not going to capture that. If you have the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: camera anywhere but on your head.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: It probably looks super siolly. But I would do it,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and do it. I mean if I was into it
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and it was bigfoot hunting and be out there now
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the noises of bigfoot and the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: sounds that it makes. Because we talked about David Politis
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: earlier and at the end of his second documentary Missing
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: for One One, The Hunted, I think it's called The
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Hunted or The Hunters. I'm pretty sure at the end
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: of that documentary he has, you know, these noises, these
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: what appears to sound like nothing that a human being
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: can make. By these gentlemen they captured it. I think
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: back in was it the eighties or the nineties, A
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: long time ago, Yeah, in California.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was like the seventies. Actually, yeah,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: that was a.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Long time ago. And they had this camp there and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: they made like this fort or whatever that they could
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: like hide from these things or whatever they heard them
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then the footage was the audio was
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: then tested and it was determined that no human well
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: they didn't really say no human can make the sound.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: They just they can't figure out exactly what was making
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the sound. So what do you know? What do we
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: know about the noises that any of these scriptions make?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Bigfoot in particular, I think there's a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: couple of noises that you can attribute to. That is,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: you have your vocalization, so you might hear a whoop
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: or even just a really crazy scream or call. But
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: there's also reports of whistling, which is a really big one,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: and especially in the areas that we go, and some
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: researchers that I know have experienced that whistling and like
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: they will hear it whistling and walking around. So you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: have your basic cause that we kind of think of.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: But there's also like wood taps like the wood knocks,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of been this point of debate of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: they possibly are signaling to other bigfoot, like okay, they're
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: leaving an area, they're exiting an area. But as far
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: as the vocals go, I've heard some that my friend
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Marian had recorded from an expedition up in the or actually, no,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I'm getting what the story is. Confused. It was here
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: at the same place that we're going in just a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: few days, and this lady makes a call and I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: have it. I can send it to you. She makes
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: a call and you can see it on the spectrogram
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: where she makes the call and then it's quiet, and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: then something responds back to her, and it's at a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: different So on a spectrogram, it breaks things up by sound,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: so you can see, okay, that's an owl, that's a coyote,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: that's us talking. It appears on it differently, and you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: can hear this thing respond back to her. I haven't
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: heard anything myself, but there's definitely calls that people hear
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: and have been reported in Florida and in the areas
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: that we go to. So you have vocalizations. They call
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: it kind of like monkey chatter, but sometimes people get
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: that confused with owls, and these owls if you've never
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: heard it, and the first time you hear it, you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I remember being like, oh my gosh, like this is it,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: and then my friend Mary's like, no, that's just the owls,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, because it's like you want to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: believe that some of these owls are making these calls,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: because they do make very similar to what you think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: of big Foot would be kind of the whooping. It's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: not always that traditional who who it's this really weird
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: noise they make. And so it's always good to have
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: the Merlin app to identify different birds and things like
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: that if you're out in the wild and you're trying
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: to figure out is that a big Foot call or
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: is that just a regular bird. It has a giant
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: archive of different sounds on there, so you can kind
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: of run your audio through that to do process of elimination.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I've never heard any of the calls myself,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: but I have heard reports of them that.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: It's so weird about the owl thing. Because that's what
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: they tried to say with the flat Woods monster that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the whole family saw in the neighbor, that it was
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: just a giant barn owl. Yeah, like these people live
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: in West Virginia, like they know all the animals. Why
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: would they mistake something for a freaking barnow.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: They did the same thing for the Hopkinsville go They
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: did the same thing. They tried to say that they
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: were just barn als as.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Well, one of them, but they said that it was
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: an escaped kangaroo. Like, what do you mean in escaped kangaroo?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I think I forget where that was. But this guy
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: had it was a really famous case. It's seeing something
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: that looked like a dog man that was outside of
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: his house and apparently like ripped up the sighting of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: his house and like these big, huge long claw marks
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and like ripped the screen door off of his house
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and all that. And he's like telling all these people
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and then they had legit tracks of this thing and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: he's seen it several times and he said it looked
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: like a creature. I would have to look up exactly
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: where this was. I'm thinking like around New Orleans or
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that area, but the official explanation was that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it was in a escaped kangaroo. Those are some of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: my favorite favorite ones where they attributed like an animal
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: that is not even like from the region that magically
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: made its way to this guy's house and the Storages property.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Right, And you know when you talked about the owls, Honestly,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: I have it on my list of things I really
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: want to do an episode about because I feel like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: they're just you know, I recognize patterns, and I start
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: picking up on things, and I know you're probably well
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: versed in symbolism, and you know that the owl is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: nothing short of a very symbolic figure from you know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Bohemian groove to just what I've represented to Native American
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: culture and the omen that it brings. And it's interesting
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: because it seems to have found its way into the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot world and into the world of aliens. You have
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: people who are saying that there could be some kind
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: of a correlation there between aliens and owls, and then
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: you also hear them saying that owl's mimic Bigfoot. So
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, owls are popping up a lot. I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, they're a deeper dive needs to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: be done into them, because they're they're interesting. There are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of different places.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Conveniently, when I was a kid, I thought that animal
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: statues of like owls and like animal statues of like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: birds and stuff was like always alive. I thought they
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: were like still alive. Like when I would go to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: uh I go to McDonald because they had this bird
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that was on top of this pole like the American flag,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and every time we would go, I'd be like, why
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: is that bird always there? I thought that like stuffed
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: taxidermy things were like still alive, and I'd always ask,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: why are they not moving? Kid? But no one ever
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: corrected me. I hold that resentment toward them. But also
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: you have the lizard Man as well. I think that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: happened in a Carolina. I believe the Lizard Man of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Lee County. Where the do you know about the story now?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like a few other things that I've
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: heard out of that area as far as like the Roptilians.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy reported. I think that it was in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: like the early eighties. There's also an episode of this
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: on Netflix. Well, no, it's on Hulu. I think it's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: on Hulu, and it talks about this gentleman that was
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: driving his car late one night and he encountered this
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: creature that he said look like a lizard. And it
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: jumped on the top of his car and made these
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: giant claw marks down his car, and then he somehow
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: got rid of it and somehow flipped off of the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: car or whatever, and then he went went home and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: told his dad about it, and then they like, the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: evidence was there, there was the giant claw marks in
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: this dude's car.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Don't they have a festival in the town now every
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: year for it, Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Just like they have the Mothman Festival. I think they
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: do a parade or something for the flat Woods.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Monster too, might as well.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that's what they'll say this, well, well,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: it's just like a big tourist attraction. Well, people did
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: not talk about the Mothman for a really long time,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Like nobody in the town would talk about the Mothman.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: They would not even mention it because they were so
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: freaked out. And the Silver Bridge collapse just spooked people.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: And also the men in Black sidings that happened during
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: that time before the bridge collapse as well. Like you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: tried to talk to people about it, they were It
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't until the movie with Richard Greer came out called
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: the Mothman Prophecies that the town kind of started leaning
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: heavier into it to promote tourism, but it was never
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: about tourism, and beginning it was never It wasn't originally
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: called the moth man either. It's called the bird man.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I love the giant bird rabbit hole.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well you know about those birds.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: There's this like the thunderbirds.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Thunderbirds, Yes, the thunderbirds. Tell me about the thunderbirds. Wan,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: look up this case. You might be talking about the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: exact same one.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that in the Native American culture that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: they talked about the thunderbirds and how they were really dangerous.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: And that was another thing that my nanny had talked about,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: was the giant winged creature that flew over the woods.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting because earlier you were kind
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: of talking about like human fears in DNA, and I
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: think like that's why, you know, a plane goes over
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: and we kind of like all look up because of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: that giant shadow. So it kind of makes you wonder
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: if there's this like instinctual ancestor fear that's just written
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: into our DNA kind of how we're afraid of spiders naturally,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: or that kind of thing that at one point, what
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: we were terrorized by these giant birds.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the case that I'm thinking of.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you jogged my memory on this. I've talked
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: about it a few times, but sometimes I forget these.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: But it's the nineteen seventy seven lawn Lawndale Illinoi's thunderbird attack.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with this one? This one's wild. So
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven, Lawndale Illinoi's thunderbird attack was a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: reported attack by two unidentified birds on a young boy.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: The attack occurred on July twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Ten year old Marlon Lowe was playing outside when he
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: suddenly attacked by two large birds, one which temporarily picked
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: him up and carried him over thirty feet before Marlon's mother,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Ruth Lowe, ran out to her son's rescue, chasing the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: birds away and then recovering her traumatized son. Reportedly, seven
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: several eyewitnesses has seen the attack take place. The birds
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: were described as having a white ring around their neck
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: in four and a half foot body, with each wing
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: approximately four feet long ascension six inch hooked to build,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: three front claws, one back claw, and a large black
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: body that's a legit. That's like a historical fact.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so cool.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Lawndale, Illinois thunderbird.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Attack very interesting. Huh.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like, uh that was investigated and reported
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: and uh there's a big, huge news story about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's also in a some documentary series
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting about Illinois because like you hear now about
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: the Chicago Mothman. So to your point of you know,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the West Virginia one originally being reported out as like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: the bird type creature, there have been an uptick of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: the sightings there in Chicago and the surrounding areas of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: a winged humanoid creature that has been spotted in that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: can just shoot straight up vertically into the air with ease.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: That's really interesting to find a story that dates back
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: that far ago in that area.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the mothman kind of jumped from West Virginia into Chicago.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just flew over there.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Interdimensional mothman. But then you also have the Smiling Man
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: as well, which I call injured cold. They're in West Virginia.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: There was around the same time as the mothman sightings.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: You know, a little fun fact, I actually lived in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: West Virginia for a little bit growing up. Really we're
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: in the Panhandle, on the top of the Third Mountain,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: and it's technically it's called Hedgesville, but it's near like
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: that Creek Valley in Martinsburg. And looking back, it's interesting
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: when I think about it, because I remember growing up
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: we lived on like a five acre property and we
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: were surrounded by other people who had like ten acres swever,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: so it was like your neighbors weren't really your neighbors.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: They were there, but you didn't see them. And there
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: was thick woods, and we were on top of this
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Third Mountain, like we were literally at the peak. You
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: could see the top of it, and it went down
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: the other side to a wildlife management area, which looking
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: back on that's really interesting. But I remember being so
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: freaked out there at night. I hated it. And the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: way that our house was set up at our basement
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: had these giant windows and these stairs that lit upstairs,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: and I know I had to put my dog away
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: down there, and I remember being so scared and just
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: this like feeling that something or someone was watching me
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: and looking at me. I was terrified to be near
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the windows at night, and I know that like that
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: might be like a kid thing, but I remember it
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: really specifically there, and I remember just being so scared
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: and so freaked out, and looking back at it now,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there was more to that that it
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: was just my six months was just picking up on.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, West Virginia has a lot of strange history, and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: it's looked over a lot because it's kind of just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: like a flyer state. But it's the first battle of
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War happened in West Virginia. There was this
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: underground bunker at the Greenbrier Branch that the Greenbrier Hotel,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: which is in Greenbrier, West Virginia, that where if something
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: were to happen in a nuclear war during the Cold
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: War or anything like that happened, that's where the president
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and all the politicians would go down to, is the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Greenbrier and in West Virginia for safety. There's also the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: abandoned amusement park in West Virginia that looks like Chernobyl.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: And then the QR code in that movie, that Obama
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: movie on Netflix. This is how it ends, or I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: think that's the name of it. The QR code that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you can scan in there takes you to that amusement park,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: does it really RG?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so weird. I never watched it. I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: refuse to be a part of it. Like if something
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: gets like to whatever, I'm like, I won't support it.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: I've just read everybody as a synopsis on symbolism, like online,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't I'm not giving into it.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: It's just super interesting. And then that abandoned amusement park
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: is only like an hour away from the Greenbrier Hotel,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: which was this bunker for all of the politicians and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the president that was built into the side of the mountain.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: That's really wild. So much history there that really gets overlooked.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: And a lot of cryptids. Yeah, someone just asks where
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: has the most cryptids? I think you mentioned it earlier.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: You said Florida and Washington.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so for Bigfoot, I think California's number one,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Washington's number two, and then we're number three. But as
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: far as the most cryptied, oh gosh, that's tough. I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: think the I would say Appalachia. I think I think
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: the East Coast. That's my opinion. I think that we
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: even I really do. I feel like we take the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: win there because Appalachias it's just ancient and there's so
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: much going on there. It's just it really is a
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: different energy. You are in some of these places and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: you can just feel the shift. So I would say
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: east coast.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: East coast. Someone said has the least. I think every
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: state has, like at least one or two.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I think that they said Hawaii has. I don't think
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: that they've had a big Foot sighting. I don't believe so,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: so maybe Hawaii.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Ye, Hawaii. That would be because it's such a it's
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: kind of a small island. They would just be able
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: to capture it and kill it. Probably.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I think Hawaii has more of the island legend and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: lore to it. They've got some of the spirits over there,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: you know, the island spirits. I think that's what where
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: they kind of rise up in that cryptid sense, or
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: at least the paranormal supernatural side.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you do you think that the that the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: paranormal stuff is connected to Bigfoot and some sort of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: anomalous lights in the sky, like, because it's like what
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: you were saying in the very beginning of the show.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: It's like if you ask you know, ten different people
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: what they think bigfoot is, it's always going to be
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: something different. And I think that if someone gave this
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: example to me, I forget who it was. It might
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: have been Trey Hudson. They were like, Oh, well, you know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: if you take a paranormal investigation team to a site
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be haunted, they're going to come out
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: and say that it's haunted. If you take a bigfoot
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: investigation team out to a place where bigfoot is reported,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: they're going to come out and say that it's a bigfoot.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: If you take a UFO hunter team out there a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: place that says is reported with UFO activity, they're going
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: to say that it's UFOs.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Sure that confirmation bias. And I think it's important to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: note that a lot of what we do, we don't
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: find anything, and so that's why, like when we do
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: get some stories, we definitely hang on to them. You know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: it's always nice to go out and look and scout
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: for areas. So you have to be in it for
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: something more than just bigfoot. So you have to be
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: in it for getting to see nature because a lot
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: of times we get to see really cool encounters with
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: animals that we typically won't, like we have an incredible
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: otter encounter. So a lot of times it's that or
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: getting to see you know, the wild pigs and the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: wild boars and the deer and just some of the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: different you know, natural beauty. Because believe me, I wish
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: we were going out every time and getting a crazy
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: knock or yell or seeing it, but it really it's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: not as as common. But yeah, I know it to
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: me as far as the confirmation bias, yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean that kind of makes sense, you know, if
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: like that's what you're into, Like that's kind of like
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: what you're going to end up finding. But I do
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: think that they're kind of that is kind of connected
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: and like some kind of weird strange ways. Like I
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: don't know, I have different thoughts on what the paranormal
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: actually is and like what you know, ghost what people
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: report as as ghost actually or I think that it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: a high possibility that some of it is like by location,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: that the people are actually alive, Like they're real people
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: that are alive that are able to bylocate their essence
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: into a silhouetted type of form. Because in remote viewing,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: there's this there's a technique that Lim Buchanan talks about
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: that is essentially that it's called perfect site integration. So
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you go into your remote viewing state and you essentially
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: bylocate into a different area wherever it is, and you
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: can influence the environment. You can change the environment, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you can knock things over and move things. And what
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: do people report with, you know, polter guys like activity
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: that's the entity or whatever, and they're just making a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: rock as slamming doors, messing up the kitchen and stuff.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that sounds more like a human
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: being that's doing that to me.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can you definitely have that la with
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: like astral travel too. I read this really cool book
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: as a kid that called He Came to Set the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Captus Free. Totally a sidebar, and it's about this lady.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I think Rebecca Brown wrote the book about this woman
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: and they changed the names, and I believe it was
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: out of Illinois, and she had been raised in a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Satanic cult. And part of the thing is she became
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: a high priestess in the occult and she claims in
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: the book that she was at one point like the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: number one high priestess in the world, that she had
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: literally married Satan. And it's a really really good book.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I do encourage you to read. I've wrote a few
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: times and it's pretty good. And she goes into the
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: music industry and how they were called in to put
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: curses over the music, and she really goes into a
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff. And some of the stuff she talks
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: about in there is astral travel and how she utilized
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: it in the past to yep, knock things over. You
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: can pick something up and write stuff on the walls.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: It was just depending on you know, what the situation was.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and as far as you know Bigfoot in
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: the paranormal, I think that there is more to it
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: than it just being something strictly flesh and blood, and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I mean that's my opinion to it. I think that
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: there is a supernatural element to it, and I think
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: we are trying to rationalize it. I always say that, like,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: you can't put it in a box. I think you
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: have to go where the evidence takes you, and you
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: have to be open to what the evidence is telling
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: you and try not to put your own confirmation bias
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: onto something or your own bias onto it, because if
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: someone comes and that's one of the things, you know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: politics touches on too which he never anticipated on, you know,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: investigating the lights in the sky, but that is where
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: the evidence took him when he was researching Bigfoot. And
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I think it's just all about documenting it,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: compiling those data points, and I think that there is
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: my personal opinion, I think that there is a little
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: bit of a supernatural twist to Bigfoot for sure.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: In general, Well, when you think about it, the paranormal
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: and the supernatural things only tend to happen at night.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Like why is that? That's because people are sleeping. The
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: majority of the population is asleep, so they could literally
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: be dreaming and be in your area, and like essentially
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: by locate to you and you get a kind of
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: a little glimpse of them in your awakened state. And
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: if you experienced something during the day, it's nighttime somewhere
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: else in the world.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: That's true. That is very true.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: At all points during your time here, it's nighttime somewhere. So, uh,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna ask this question, but I think it's
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: kind of funny and it kind of does make sense.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Nutty Unhinge says, I don't mean they get too gross here,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: but would you think would you think they would leave
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: behind big amounts of Pooh pooh when they go number two.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: So the question is, has anyone found any amounts of
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Pooh pooh? What do you know about the big foot pools?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Funny? Actually I know a little bit about it. So
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: I personally have never come across any out in the woods.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Do we do come across like bear, coyo to or
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: other animals? I personally have never come across any. I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: have heard of people, you know, finding something just like
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: super enormously large. There are some folks who said that
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: they've found some stuff and tested it. I don't know
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: how much legitimacy is in those claims. There's some other
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: folks that say that they kind of tried to mask
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: it and so they they you know, go in a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: waterway and then like stir it. I don't know, I don't.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Know where come on, yeah.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I fall on that camp I have.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't thought too much about that one.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Get some lyesol spray out there in the woods, and hey, yeah,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: bigfoot pooh, bigfoot poo, And I think that's where we're
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: gonna leave it off on is bigfootpoo here today? Brook?
• 1:28:10
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• 1:28:12
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• 1:28:14
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• 1:28:16
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• 1:28:20
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• 1:28:25
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• 1:28:44
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