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The Rita Panahi Show | 21 October · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panaghi Show. Good evening and
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Rita Panaghi Show. I'm James Morrow filling
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Speaker 1: in for Rita and here's what's coming up tonight. Shadow
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Speaker 1: Communications Minister Sarah Henderson will join me right here at
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Speaker 1: the desk to talk about the e-safety commissioner and this
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Speaker 1: new duty of care legislation that could let the government
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Speaker 1: spread their own propaganda. Yeah, that's right. Meanwhile, Labor's primary
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Speaker 1: vote drops by more than 10 percentage points since the
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Speaker 1: last federal election, according to the latest polls. Ouch! Plus,
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Speaker 1: cash for tips. Whistleblowers could be in for earning big
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Speaker 1: money if they dob in fraudsters under a new program
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Speaker 1: led by U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D.
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Speaker 2: Vance.
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Speaker 1: Plus, rapper Jay-Z. He's the guy who organizes a Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl headline act. Well, guess who he's chosen? None other
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Speaker 1: than himself. Hey, what's the old saying? If you can't
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Speaker 1: trust someone to do the job, do it yourself. Oh,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to have plenty of lefties losing it today.
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Speaker 1: Don't you worry about that. These are some of the
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Speaker 1: masterminds behind the No Kings protest and their plan to
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Speaker 1: boot the dictator Trump.
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Speaker 3: We're going to vote him out, baby.
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Speaker 4: Kick his ass out.
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Speaker 5: This election?
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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, okay, how about that? Anyway, but first, the
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Speaker 1: Albanese government has lost its two-party preferred lead for the
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Speaker 1: first time since the last federal election. According to the
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Speaker 1: latest News 24 Pulse YouGov poll, Labour and the coalition
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Speaker 1: are now at level pegging at 50-50. But it's One
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Speaker 1: Nation who now leads the primary vote on 27%, ahead
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Speaker 1: of Labour on 24% and the coalition on 23%. Labor's
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Speaker 1: primary vote has fallen by more than 10 percentage points.
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Speaker 1: since the 2025 federal election. Joining me now to discuss
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Speaker 1: this and a whole lot more is Verve Communications' Prue
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Speaker 1: McSween and News24 contributor Louise Roberts. Louise, let's start with
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Speaker 1: you here. These are amazing poll numbers. The air has
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Speaker 1: absolutely gone out of this balloon here, the whole 2025.
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Speaker 1: We've got 94 seats, so we're going to be in
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Speaker 1: power forever. But here's what's really interesting about this to
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Speaker 1: me here. You go down into some of the crosstabs
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Speaker 1: and you find out that so much of the working-class vote,
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Speaker 1: which is supposedly where Labor gets its support, after all,
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Speaker 1: it is called the Labor Party, well, that has dropped 20%.
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Speaker 6: That was the standout data for me in this report
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Speaker 6: as well, James, the fact that he's managed to alienate
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Speaker 6: working-class Australians so spectacularly as well.
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Speaker 5: Only 20% of them.
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Speaker 6: Would vote for him for a party that was set
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Speaker 6: up to endorse and advocate for their concerns. What does
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Speaker 6: it tell you that the working-class base have turned their
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Speaker 6: back on him comprehensively? I mean, forget chasing conservative voters.
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Speaker 6: His core loyal voters have just said, no way, we're
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Speaker 6: not interested, we're turning our back on you. And, of course,
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Speaker 6: who's benefiting from this? Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: Well, One Nation is benefiting, but also, Prue, the Coalition
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Speaker 1: has started to show a bit of life here. What
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Speaker 1: do you attribute that to? Do you think it's some
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Speaker 1: of the policies they're starting to get are starting to
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Speaker 1: cut through? Do you think that there's a bit of
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Speaker 1: Pauline fatigue? Where do you put this rise in the
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Speaker 1: Coalition's primary to?
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Speaker 7: I think now they're starting to talk some policies, which
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Speaker 7: is important because it's been very derelict up till now.
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Speaker 7: And I still think, though, that people are coming around
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Speaker 7: to the fact that the Coalition... and One Nation are
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Speaker 7: the answer. And so I think that they're having, some
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Speaker 7: of the polled people are maybe having a bit of
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Speaker 7: an each way bet. I also think that there is
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Speaker 7: so much white hot anger. You know, when you talk
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Speaker 7: about the workers, the traditional Labor voters who have been betrayed,
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Speaker 7: there is no trust anymore in this government. They can't
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Speaker 7: do anything. Their only loyalty is to themselves. And we're
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Speaker 7: feeling that. And every worker, every Australian, is feeling betrayed
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Speaker 7: when they open their mailbox and see the bills, the
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Speaker 7: rising energy costs, the grocery bills.
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Speaker 5: You know, the whole thing across the.
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Speaker 7: Board is a betrayal. And I don't think it's recoverable
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Speaker 7: for Labor. And I think that this is the opportunity
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Speaker 7: for the Coalition and obviously One Nation to get in
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Speaker 7: there and let people start believing again because at the
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Speaker 7: moment we feel we've lost our country. We've lost it
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Speaker 7: in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right. They're talking about another interest rate rise
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Speaker 1: on Melbourne Cup Day. That's likely coming up. But also
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Speaker 1: this poll revealed that roughly eight in ten voters, they're
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Speaker 1: concerned about the rise of radical Islamic extremism in Australia.
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Speaker 1: That included 62 percent of voters who said that the
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Speaker 1: issue represents, quote, a growing concern for national security and
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Speaker 1: social cohesion. Louise, to me, This says to me, as
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Speaker 1: well as when you look at the polls and when
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Speaker 1: things started to go bad for Labor, that it was
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Speaker 1: the Bondi massacre from that point on. That's when everybody said,
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Speaker 1: hold on, we can't agree to not talk about this anymore.
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Speaker 1: We have a problem.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we do have a problem. And people feel the
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Speaker 6: federal government have done nothing to suture that wound. They
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Speaker 6: certainly have not protected Jewish Australians the way they should
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Speaker 6: have done. But what I also thought was interesting in
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Speaker 6: that data was the Greens voters, living inside their champagne
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Speaker 6: socialist bubble, who think that radical Islam is only an
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Speaker 6: issue for 28% of them, when clearly the rest of
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Speaker 6: the country is saying, hang on a second, it's a
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Speaker 6: key issue for us. But for the Greens, unless the
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Speaker 6: ideology matches their pro-Palestinian movement, it's not a problem.
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Speaker 5: And I found that quite staggering.
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Speaker 6: They don't feel radical Islam is as much of an
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Speaker 6: issue as the rest of us do.
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Speaker 1: And Prue, do you think, though, that when people see,
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Speaker 1: you know, the way in which the Palestinian cause has
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Speaker 1: been attached to absolutely every left-wing cause, and then they
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Speaker 1: see the protests that are going on in France right now,
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Speaker 1: do you think that focuses the mind of many voters
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Speaker 1: on saying, hang on, there's a real political issue here,
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Speaker 1: because aside from the religious nature of Islam, there's also
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Speaker 1: a political nature to this that It winds up tying
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Speaker 1: into all of these omni-cause protest movements, so everything winds
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Speaker 1: up becoming about religion and foreign policy, not about what
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Speaker 1: people are dealing with on the ground. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think that the migration system here is the sleeper
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Speaker 7: issue that people don't always own up to, but we
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Speaker 7: just have to look at what's going on overseas, in particular,
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Speaker 7: as you said, in France, in Milan now, right through England.
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Speaker 7: And that's really alarming. And then we're looking at the
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Speaker 7: fanatical extremist Islamism that's happening here. And Albanese won't even
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Speaker 7: name it.
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Speaker 1: And we saw how, after Bondi, we saw how they
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Speaker 1: dragged their feels on the Royal Commission. They tried to
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Speaker 1: blame legitimate gun owners and ignored the big elephant in
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Speaker 1: the room about this. But you mentioned the French protests before.
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Speaker 1: And I guess we can say here, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: better late than never, But French Prime Minister Sebastian Le
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Speaker 1: Cordu has mobilized the military and elite tactical units to
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Speaker 1: protect major cities through these mass protests. They've now finally
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Speaker 1: implemented a nighttime curfew in parts of central Paris, as
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Speaker 1: well as in Marseille, which have suffered tens of millions,
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Speaker 1: if not hundreds of millions of euros in damages. Louise Roberts,
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Speaker 1: let's go to you on this first. Why has it
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Speaker 1: taken the French so very long to actually do something
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Speaker 1: about this because it says to me they are worried
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Speaker 1: that if they make too much of a response and
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Speaker 1: if maybe one of the protesters gets killed, these no-go areas,
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Speaker 1: these banlieues, as they are called, might wind up exploding.
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Speaker 1: We know there's a lot of weaponry in places like that.
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Speaker 5: But it's already exploding.
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Speaker 6: I mean, the average Parisian is looking at their city
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Speaker 6: streets in absolute abject horror, as are we looking at
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Speaker 6: the footage from Australia.
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Speaker 5: And you're thinking, what a peculiar.
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Speaker 6: Way to campaign for social justice, you know, smashing up
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Speaker 6: the working man's lifestyle and sending them all bankrupt. And
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Speaker 6: who's actually supposed to be helping? And, of course, you know,
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Speaker 6: Emmanuel Macron is nowhere to be seen.
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Speaker 5: He's over in the Middle East, you know, apparently having
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Speaker 5: talks about.
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Speaker 6: Oil and stuff, you know, while Paris literally and Lyon
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Speaker 6: and other places literally And the government are deploying vehicles
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Speaker 6: to the Prime Minister to sort of mop up the
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Speaker 6: mess while he's swanning around in the Middle East. So
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Speaker 6: I find that he's never to be found when there's
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Speaker 6: a serious issue. And maybe that's the whole point of
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Speaker 6: the socialist government, sort of, you know, wipe their hands
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Speaker 6: and move on somewhere else a bit more attractive while
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Speaker 6: everything else is in absolute chaos at home, stemming from
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Speaker 6: their policies.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think there's a lot to that. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a very wise comment. But Prue, we also
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Speaker 1: know that in the northern spring, early next year, Macron
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Speaker 1: is term limited out of office. The Marine Le Pen
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Speaker 1: party is expected to win and win handily. I am
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Speaker 1: absolutely shocked at the way so much of the media
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Speaker 1: has been reporting this and saying, oh, the far right
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Speaker 1: is taking advantage of this situation or the far right
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Speaker 1: in France is... you know, pouncing on these riots. But
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Speaker 1: it seems to me that when the establishment parties refuse
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Speaker 1: to do something about the thing that everybody in all
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Speaker 1: these countries wants them to do something about, mass migration, well,
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Speaker 1: how can you be surprised? Of course.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the far right, what about the far left?
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Speaker 7: The fact that everybody with an angst is coming out,
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Speaker 7: whether it be here in France or anywhere now. We
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Speaker 7: see it weekly in our protests, whether it's student... activists,
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Speaker 7: if it's pro-Palestinians, you know, Antifa. We don't know who
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Speaker 7: they are.
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Speaker 1: Marxists.
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Speaker 7: All these people with an issue are getting on the
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Speaker 7: bandwagon and part of these protests. And, you know, it's
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Speaker 7: an attack on the West. And until we all wake up,
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Speaker 7: we have... And the sad thing is, in France... It's
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Speaker 7: local born French now.
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Speaker 5: It's the sons of migrants.
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Speaker 1: Second and third generation. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 7: And these people have no respect for what they have there,
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Speaker 7: the prize of France. And you think the history, all
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Speaker 7: this beautiful legacy of France that is just being, you know, demolished.
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Speaker 7: It's just so terrifying. And it's going to happen here
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Speaker 7: if we don't start addressing the real issues because everybody's
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Speaker 7: too scared about being called racist.
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Speaker 1: Well, Louise, let's stick with this for a second because
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Speaker 1: the other day, Pauline Hanson said, you know, this could
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Speaker 1: happen here. And indeed, if you look at particularly the
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Speaker 1: economic conditions, you know, it's only that France is at
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Speaker 1: a 20-year head start on their decline, but we're going
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Speaker 1: down that same path. I don't think we'd see the
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Speaker 1: same sort of rioting in the streets, but in terms
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Speaker 1: of just the cracking up of the country... There is
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Speaker 1: that potential under the surface here.
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Speaker 6: There is, and there is a simmering, as Prue says,
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Speaker 6: a very strong simmering resentment here towards our standard of
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Speaker 6: living and what the government is failing to do to
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Speaker 6: actually help us with that. And we know with all
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Speaker 6: our protests we get these fringe elements turning up. I mean,
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Speaker 6: they may not be burning buildings and smashing cathedrals and,
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Speaker 6: you know, running around in those black masks and, you know,
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Speaker 6: trashing a Louis Vuitton store, but... Do we wait for
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Speaker 6: that to happen or do we actually address the issues
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Speaker 6: as you said?
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Speaker 1: And the number one issue, the number one issue I
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Speaker 1: keep saying is immigration and economic decline. And if people
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Speaker 1: keep feeling they're getting poorer... then unpleasant things are going
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Speaker 1: to happen. But speaking of getting poorer here, rising building
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Speaker 1: material costs are putting pressure on the government's pledge, the
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Speaker 1: Labour government's pledge, to build 1.2 million homes by the
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Speaker 1: end of the decade. We never thought they were going
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Speaker 1: to do that, really, did we? But anyway, apparently because
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Speaker 1: of the rise in fuel prices now, building materials, big
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Speaker 1: heavy things that you need to get to the building site, well,
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Speaker 1: they've gone up by another 1% during the September quarter. Prue...
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Speaker 1: I'm just terrified that what we're going to see here
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Speaker 1: is Jim Chalmers saying, oh, you know, we couldn't build
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Speaker 1: all the houses because that nasty Donald Trump made gas
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Speaker 1: prices too high. That's why we can't afford to get
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Speaker 1: the bricks to the job site.
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Speaker 7: Well, he's going to run out of any other excuses.
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Speaker 7: You know, the man is always blaming other people, whether
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Speaker 7: it be the previous coalition government or, of course, the
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Speaker 7: overseas problems. You know, the problem for him is it's
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Speaker 7: his energy policy, which is impacting on every cost that,
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Speaker 7: you know, whether it be from the materials. Of course,
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Speaker 7: there has been an interruption in some supply. But the
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Speaker 7: point is that we also have too many people demanding
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Speaker 7: housing in this country.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 7: Because the migration is the issue. It's the energy fantasy issue.
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Speaker 7: and migration, which are the two major issues that are
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Speaker 7: impacting on developers. Of course, we then have the taxes.
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Speaker 7: Why would you be a developer with CGT, all the
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Speaker 7: other things that they're doing that are just, you know,
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Speaker 7: impacting on every cost? Plus, of course, the capitulation to
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Speaker 7: the unions. Productivity levels are down and wages are up.
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Speaker 7: How the hell can you expect to be building that
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Speaker 7: number of homes? It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: 100%. And that's all down to traumas. Hey, you two are...
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Speaker 1: both very busy ladies. And so I want to ask
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Speaker 1: you about this story out of Victoria. And Victorian Premier
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Speaker 1: Ben Carroll, well, he's had to repay a fuel bill
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Speaker 1: after he drove off from a petrol station without paying
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Speaker 1: late on Monday night. And he said, oh, my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I forgot. I didn't realize I hadn't paid the following day.
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Speaker 1: Louise Roberts, this man wants to run Victoria. He is
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Speaker 1: running Victoria, I guess, technically into the ground. Um, have
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Speaker 1: you ever been so busy, so forgetful with your job,
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Speaker 1: with your kids, that you've just gone vroom?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I mean, did he drive off with the
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Speaker 5: Bowser pump still in the thing? I wonder what this.
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Speaker 6: I mean, actually, farcical excuse and talk about a gift
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Speaker 6: for his enemies to say, you know, cast aspersions on
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Speaker 6: his concentration or running a state, as you say, as well, but.
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Speaker 5: I mean, talk about knowing a goal. Why did he
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Speaker 5: do that to himself? You just don't forget to pay
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Speaker 5: for petrol. Who does that? Who does that?
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Speaker 1: Who does that?
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Speaker 7: Well, he's totally under stress. He knows he's going to
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Speaker 7: be out on his backside very soon, or one would
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Speaker 7: hope so. But I do have to confess, once I
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Speaker 7: was in a shop selling handbags... And I was looking.
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Speaker 5: At the various ones.
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Speaker 7: I put one over my shoulder I thought I might like.
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Speaker 1: I left.
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Speaker 8: I left.
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Speaker 5: I bought one.
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Speaker 7: I left, got home and realised I had the handbag
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Speaker 7: still here. So I rang them, apologised and raced back.
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Speaker 7: But I was thinking, my God, I could be on
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Speaker 7: the shoplifters, you know, images, you know, posted everywhere.
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Speaker 1: So it can be easy.
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Speaker 7: To do, but I'm not excusing this man, you know, clearly.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think he's got an awful
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Speaker 1: lot on his mind. Prue McSween, Louise Roberts, thanks so much.
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Speaker 8: It's you.
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Speaker 1: Well, independent MP Helen Haynes remains in a critical but
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Speaker 1: stable condition in a Melbourne hospital after that horrific attack,
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Speaker 1: alleged attack in Wangaratta, Victoria, earlier this week. Brendan Nugent,
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Speaker 1: the 43-year-old Victorian man accused of ramming his Land Cruiser
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Speaker 1: into Ms Haynes outside her electorate office, has appeared in
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Speaker 1: court today on a series of charges. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: to discuss this and a whole lot more is Shadow
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Speaker 1: Communications Minister... Sarah Henderson. Sarah, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Obviously, the news about your parliamentary colleague, Helen Haynes,
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Speaker 1: is dominating the headlines this week. I know this has
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Speaker 1: been tough for absolutely everybody who works in that building.
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Speaker 1: I just would love to get a bit of your
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Speaker 1: thoughts about what Helen Haynes is like to work with
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Speaker 1: as somebody, obviously an independent, but also just the way
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Speaker 1: people seem to be leaping on this case to use
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Speaker 1: it to push their own hobby horses while maybe we
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Speaker 1: have more important things to deal with first.
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Speaker 9: Well, James, can I start by saying our thoughts and
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Speaker 9: prayers are with Helen, with her family, her loved ones
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Speaker 9: and with her staff at this horrendous time. This is
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Speaker 9: a horrific attack. I think not only are we in shock, James,
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Speaker 9: the nation is in shock that any democratically elected representative
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Speaker 9: could walk out of their place of work and then
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Speaker 9: this happened. I mean, what has our country come to
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Speaker 9: that anyone cannot feel safe at work and we're just
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Speaker 9: keeping everything crossed that she's going to pull through?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. What do you make of some of these
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Speaker 1: reports we've heard in the press that, you know, for
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Speaker 1: as much as the Prime Minister has been praising Helen Haynes,
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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago they were shopping around apparently
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Speaker 1: a dirt sheet of on her about, you know, alleging
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Speaker 1: that she had some improprieties after she went after the
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Speaker 1: prime minister over that six million dollar grant to the
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Speaker 1: golf course down the street from one of his properties.
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Speaker 9: Well, the prime minister, of course, has used this opportunity
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Speaker 9: to say we need to bring the temperature down. But
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Speaker 9: I think there's been more division under his prime ministership
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Speaker 9: than we've ever seen before in this country. A complete
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Speaker 9: breakdown of social cohesion. We saw what happened during the
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Speaker 9: voice debate and now to learn what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: is doing in his office shopping around this dirt sheet
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Speaker 9: is terrible. I've actually seen and got a copy of it.
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Speaker 9: Helen Haynes has done absolutely nothing wrong. I mean, she's
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Speaker 9: highly respected. Integrity is her mantra and she's really forged
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Speaker 9: a very significant reputation as someone who takes integrity and
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Speaker 9: transparency very seriously. So for the Prime Minister's dirt unit,
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Speaker 9: disgraceful dirt unit, to be doing this just tells us
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Speaker 9: a lot about the way this Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 9: team operate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I just think it's hypocritical and grubby and
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Speaker 1: being done with our taxpayer money. Hey, I want to
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Speaker 1: shift gears a little over to the digital duty of care.
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Speaker 1: You are obviously, as I said before, the shadow communications minister.
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Speaker 1: I have spoken a lot about this bill. I think
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Speaker 1: this bill is incredibly important. dangerous to free speech. I
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Speaker 1: feel like when they say, let's turn down the temperature,
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Speaker 1: I think they feel like they're saying only you turn
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Speaker 1: down the temperature. You know, they can keep doing whatever
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Speaker 1: they want. But tell us more about this sock puppet issue,
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Speaker 1: which they keep denying is a problem. But you say
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Speaker 1: this is still a really concerning issue.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is not about protecting children. This is not
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Speaker 9: about getting tough on big tech. We have very significant
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Speaker 9: powers currently. in the Online Safety Act to prohibit seriously
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Speaker 9: dangerous material, illegal material online, including child sexual abuse material,
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Speaker 9: terrorism material. And one of the things that's shocking about
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Speaker 9: this proposal, apart from the egregious attack on free speech, James,
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Speaker 9: it proposes to remove all of the mandatory codes and
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Speaker 9: standards which set out in detail what the digital platforms
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Speaker 9: have to do when it comes to detecting and removing
19:45
Speaker 9: this illegal material and age-restricted material like pornography. So that
19:49
Speaker 9: is a shock. which goes, from my perspective, it shows
19:52
Speaker 9: that the Minister doesn't know what she is doing. But
19:55
Speaker 9: in relation to these powers to create fake identities online,
20:00
Speaker 9: to track people anonymously, these are very concerning. Why is
20:05
Speaker 9: the Safety Commissioner trying to step into the shoes of
20:09
Speaker 9: law enforcement agencies. There is an appropriate place to use
20:14
Speaker 9: these sorts of powers by law enforcement agencies and security
20:19
Speaker 9: agencies to track down pedophile rings and some of the
20:22
Speaker 9: shocking stuff that happens online. But this is not the
20:25
Speaker 9: job of the eSafety Commissioner. And I'm just looking at these...
20:29
Speaker 9: Here's the bill. I mean, it is the most... One
20:33
Speaker 9: of the most appalling pieces of legislation ever to come
20:36
Speaker 9: into our parliament. And the fact that there is basically
20:40
Speaker 9: broad-ranging powers to create these fake accounts with no safeguards
20:45
Speaker 9: is extraordinary.
20:46
Speaker 1: So they could use these sock puppets essentially to push
20:49
Speaker 1: government propaganda.
20:50
Speaker 9: They absolutely could because reading the face of the legislation,
20:55
Speaker 9: there is no restriction on the government spreading misinformation from
20:59
Speaker 9: spreading government propaganda. There's a number of ways in which
21:02
Speaker 9: they can do that. And it's incredibly wide-ranging. In fact,
21:07
Speaker 9: the Commissioner can also use these fake identities I'm just
21:11
Speaker 9: reading here to test whether an online service can spread
21:15
Speaker 9: material which would otherwise be illegal, which is just extraordinary.
21:21
Speaker 9: This is not her job. If the Youth Safety Commissioner
21:24
Speaker 9: is worried about a particular website or online service... which
21:29
Speaker 9: is spreading illegal material, refer it to the police.
21:34
Speaker 8: Yeah.
21:34
Speaker 9: Refer it to our law enforcement agencies. The fact that
21:38
Speaker 9: she's trying to do this herself is just a complete
21:42
Speaker 9: example of shocking government overreach, as I say, with no safeguards.
21:47
Speaker 1: And anybody who lived through the pandemic and the way
21:50
Speaker 1: the government tried to manipulate the truth online and heavy
21:53
Speaker 1: the social media companies' noses This is a big danger. Hey,
21:57
Speaker 1: before I let you go, News24 YouGov pulse poll here
22:01
Speaker 1: that suggests that the coalition and labor now are on
22:06
Speaker 1: level pegging 50-50 in the two-party preferred stakes. One Nation
22:09
Speaker 1: is still very popular, but Coalition now ahead of them
22:13
Speaker 1: in the two-party preferred, that's 50-50. That's quite something here.
22:18
Speaker 1: Are we seeing a bit of a resurgence in the
22:21
Speaker 1: coalition here as some of these policies roll out and
22:25
Speaker 1: people start to focus on that next election 18 months away, though,
22:29
Speaker 1: than it might be?
22:30
Speaker 9: Look, I think we certainly are under Angus Taylor's leadership.
22:33
Speaker 9: We've very strongly prosecuted the need to lower taxes and
22:37
Speaker 9: lower migration, cheaper power bills, and we've presented a range
22:41
Speaker 9: of policies to show that we have a very strong plan.
22:44
Speaker 9: And that's in contrast to the way this economy is
22:47
Speaker 9: going off the cliff under Labor. So many things are
22:50
Speaker 9: going wrong. Australians, I think, more and more don't trust
22:54
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister and Labor. They can see the systemic
22:57
Speaker 9: lies to which they've been subjected, including the shocking lies
23:00
Speaker 9: over taxes in the budget. These are toxic taxes which
23:04
Speaker 9: we will repeal, But Australians have had enough of the lies.
23:08
Speaker 9: They don't trust Labor. Labor's dropped some 10 points in
23:12
Speaker 9: this latest poll. And I think, as I've pointed out,
23:16
Speaker 9: you can see that with the hard work that we
23:19
Speaker 9: are doing, bit by bit, to regain the trust of
23:22
Speaker 9: the Australian people, to show what we would be as
23:25
Speaker 9: an alternative government, it's a job we take very, very seriously.
23:29
Speaker 9: And our plan, I think, is really resonating.
23:31
Speaker 1: Well, we've got 18 more months to deal with this
23:34
Speaker 1: and all the taxes and everything else. Thank you so much,
23:36
Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson.
23:37
Speaker 10: Thanks, James.
23:38
Speaker 1: Still to come, lefties losing it, plus whistleblowers in the
23:41
Speaker 1: United States could earn big bucks for doming in fraudsters.
23:44
Speaker 1: John Heineraker is next, and he's going to tell us
23:47
Speaker 1: all about it after the break. And now it's time
23:55
Speaker 1: for lefties losing it. Well, I don't know, but these
23:59
Speaker 1: No Kings protests, they may not have been as popular
24:02
Speaker 1: this time around, but guess what? They still brought out
24:05
Speaker 1: some of the best of the old true believers. Mostly,
24:09
Speaker 1: it has to be said, people with absolutely nothing better
24:11
Speaker 1: to do with their time and, let's be frank, probably
24:14
Speaker 1: few chances to obtain gainful employment either. And the footage
24:19
Speaker 1: keeps rolling in. Check this out. No King's Day!
24:23
Speaker 4: No King's Day!
24:24
Speaker 1: No King's Day!
24:26
Speaker 9: No King's Day!
24:28
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do to the king? We're gonna vote.
24:31
Speaker 5: Him out, baby!
24:32
Speaker 4: Kick his ass out.
24:34
Speaker 5: This election?
24:35
Speaker 1: Well.
24:36
Speaker 5: Why is Donald Trump a king?
24:37
Speaker 1: He ignores all laws.
24:39
Speaker 5: He's a narcissist. He's taking our money. Don't all politicians
24:42
Speaker 5: take our money? No, I don't think that... Well.
24:45
Speaker 1: He wants everything his way.
24:46
Speaker 4: It's his way or the highway.
24:47
Speaker 1: He wants to destroy and kill all of us. He
24:49
Speaker 1: wants to kill us? Yeah. Of course, I guess ever
24:52
Speaker 1: since the pandemic, we've realized that it was possible to
24:54
Speaker 1: work from home. And if you can work from home,
24:57
Speaker 1: why not protest from home? I honestly don't even know
25:01
Speaker 1: what's going on here.
25:03
Speaker 8: Stop the madness in the White House.
25:07
Speaker 1: Not my president.
25:10
Speaker 7: Now is the time to make a change.
25:15
Speaker 1: Not my president. Ha, ha, ha.
25:20
Speaker 3: Not at all.
25:21
Speaker 8: Power to the people, not to the president.
25:27
Speaker 1: Ha!
25:28
Speaker 3: Shock!
25:29
Speaker 9: October 2026.
25:30
Speaker 5: Still not my president.
25:31
Speaker 10: Ha!
25:31
Speaker 8: Ha!
25:40
Speaker 1: I think we get the message there, yes. But speaking
25:41
Speaker 1: of protests, those protests over in Europe are still going strong,
25:45
Speaker 1: which means people like Democrat California Congressman Ro Khanna are
25:49
Speaker 1: out there defending them. And well done to Brian Kilmeade
25:53
Speaker 1: at Fox for following up his idiotic line of argument.
25:57
Speaker 2: Do you really think that French— the people don't have a
26:01
Speaker 2: history of protest and a history.
26:03
Speaker 1: Of taking to the streets?
26:04
Speaker 2: I mean, do you really think it's because they let
26:05
Speaker 2: in— let in folks who were Muslim?
26:07
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, you have foreign groups. Did you see the flags, Congressman?
26:11
Speaker 4: Did you see the hammer and sickle flags?
26:13
Speaker 10: Did you see the Palestinian flags? What does that have
26:15
Speaker 10: to do with the school curriculum or lack of teachers
26:19
Speaker 10: or the days being too long?
26:22
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there are many people, young people,
26:24
Speaker 2: who are upset about what happened in Gaza. And that's
26:27
Speaker 2: not just immigrants. That's many people who grew up in
26:30
Speaker 2: France and including immigrants.
26:32
Speaker 10: So you burned a 200-year-old building because you don't like what's.
26:37
Speaker 4: Happening in Gaza?
26:38
Speaker 1: And, of course, it wouldn't be a lefties losing it
26:40
Speaker 1: without checking in on the ladies of The View here
26:43
Speaker 1: having a bit of a debate. about U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance,
26:47
Speaker 1: and can you believe that one of them had the
26:49
Speaker 1: audacity to accuse this vice president, not the previous one,
26:55
Speaker 1: of serving up some word salad.
26:57
Speaker 7: I'm just surprised that he just straight up lied.
27:00
Speaker 3: Why?
27:02
Speaker 5: Why does that surprise you?
27:03
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you're surprised. I thought he was a
27:07
Speaker 1: little smarter.
27:07
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Anna.
27:08
Speaker 1: I thought he was a little smarter than that.
27:10
Speaker 7: Like Sarah said, sometimes there's a lot of word salad
27:14
Speaker 7: going on with him.
27:15
Speaker 5: But not word salad.
27:17
Speaker 1: He parses a little word of Smith.
27:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little Smith thing.
27:19
Speaker 1: But this, he was just like, you know, no. Trump
27:22
Speaker 1: has made more money than any other American president in
27:27
Speaker 1: the history of the country. Because it's against the law.
27:29
Speaker 5: Because it's against the law. Because it's against the law.
27:31
Speaker 1: That's supposed to do it.
27:32
Speaker 5: And I think Americans really, really care about that.
27:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Sonny Hostin with that accusation. Kamala Harris,
27:39
Speaker 1: call your office. Meanwhile, wow, the election in the United
27:43
Speaker 1: States is really heating up, and I had to share
27:46
Speaker 1: this one with you because it may be the most
27:48
Speaker 1: scorching political ad I have ever seen in a whole
27:52
Speaker 1: lifetime of watching these things. Check out this ad featuring
27:56
Speaker 1: Donna Arthur, the long-estranged mother of Democrat candidate for governor
28:01
Speaker 1: Amy Acton and... Wow, this is going to leave a mark.
28:06
Speaker 3: My name is Donna Arthur, and I'm Amy Acton's mother.
28:11
Speaker 3: I worked at Children and Family Service Association, building one
28:15
Speaker 3: of the first two sexual abuse programs in America. I
28:20
Speaker 3: love my daughter, but when I saw her lying about
28:23
Speaker 3: her opponent, and it's not easy for a mother to
28:26
Speaker 3: say this, but Amy has a serious problem. She is
28:30
Speaker 3: a liar. She lies about her past. She says she
28:35
Speaker 3: grew up living in a tent. None of that is true.
28:39
Speaker 3: She's lied her entire life. My daughter needs help, and
28:44
Speaker 3: she can't help you if she needs help herself. People
28:48
Speaker 3: can change, but first they have to tell the truth.
28:52
Speaker 3: And my daughter still isn't doing that. Don't vote for
28:55
Speaker 3: people who lie. Don't let her become your governor. If
28:59
Speaker 3: you think she'll make your life better, you're fooling yourself.
29:04
Speaker 5: It will only get worse.
29:06
Speaker 1: Wow, that is brutal. I mean, if even your own
29:10
Speaker 1: mom won't vote for you. Well, President Donald Trump has
29:16
Speaker 1: named himself the arbitrator of a new Justice Department initiative
29:20
Speaker 1: that will offer $ 30, 000 bounties for tips leading to fraud charges.
29:27
Speaker 1: He also said that whistleblowers could get an additional 1%
29:31
Speaker 1: commission on any recovered funds. In attendance for the announcement
29:35
Speaker 1: was 24-year-old investigative vlogger Nick Shirley, whom Trump praised for
29:41
Speaker 1: highlighting fraud among Somali-American-run daycare centers in Minnesota. Well, joining
29:48
Speaker 1: me now from Minnesota is the Center for the American
29:51
Speaker 1: Experiment president and co-founder of the popular Powerline blog, John Heidraker. John,
29:57
Speaker 1: huge news here. Seems like they're almost kind of putting
30:01
Speaker 1: this out to the private sector, investigating fraud. Tell us
30:03
Speaker 1: about it.
30:05
Speaker 10: Well, James, we'll see how much good this does, but
30:08
Speaker 10: it can't hurt. The amount of money that is stolen
30:11
Speaker 10: from government at all levels is mind-boggling. Hundreds of billions
30:16
Speaker 10: of dollars a year.
30:17
Speaker 4: At a minimum.
30:19
Speaker 10: And people often know when their neighbors are committing fraud.
30:22
Speaker 10: I mean, when a guy who doesn't have a job
30:24
Speaker 10: buys a new Lamborghini, it's a pretty good clue. So
30:28
Speaker 10: providing incentives to people to enforce the law rather than
30:31
Speaker 10: break the law is who knows?
30:33
Speaker 4: It just might work.
30:34
Speaker 1: Well, you know, John, the thing that I'm kind of
30:36
Speaker 1: struck by here is some of the discussion around fraud,
30:39
Speaker 1: because you hear people say, oh, well, you know, you're
30:42
Speaker 1: making kind of too big a deal out of it.
30:44
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often. Why bother enforcing the law?
30:47
Speaker 1: But it feels like with fraud, with voter fraud, which
30:50
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a second, of With the Ilhan
30:53
Speaker 1: Omar case, you know, and people voting illegally, there's all
30:56
Speaker 1: these people out there who say we shouldn't enforce the law.
31:00
Speaker 1: But to me, that seems like exactly why you need
31:03
Speaker 1: someone like a Trump to come in and say, no,
31:05
Speaker 1: this lawlessness ends.
31:09
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've seen that across a broad range of issues.
31:11
Speaker 10: I mean, Joe Biden just stopped enforcing our immigration laws.
31:15
Speaker 10: And in a number of states, including my home state
31:17
Speaker 10: of Minnesota, state government has really stopped enforcing laws against
31:22
Speaker 10: theft and fraud.
31:23
Speaker 4: I mean, it's absurd.
31:24
Speaker 10: In some states, you know, they've legalized shoplifting. And I mean,
31:28
Speaker 10: we really do need to get back to a basic
31:31
Speaker 10: understanding that the laws need to be enforced.
31:34
Speaker 1: This is the thing. It's what some people call anarcho-tyranny.
31:38
Speaker 1: You know, people like you and me, we get the
31:40
Speaker 1: full force of the law, but everybody else, well, they
31:42
Speaker 1: can do what they want. But speaking of fraud here,
31:45
Speaker 1: you had an interesting piece on the Powerline blog went
31:47
Speaker 1: up a little while ago highlighting a scare story from
31:51
Speaker 1: The Washington Post. Now, we know The Washington Post, of course,
31:55
Speaker 1: is very calm and sober, John, when it comes to
31:58
Speaker 1: anything Trump-related, but apparently they're trying to raise the alarm
32:02
Speaker 1: that somehow Trump is going to fix the midterms or something.
32:05
Speaker 1: Tell us about this.
32:07
Speaker 10: Yeah, they've been talking to 10 anonymous former defense officials,
32:12
Speaker 10: I suppose, from the Biden and Obama administrations who are
32:15
Speaker 10: making ominous noises, talking to state governments about Trump somehow
32:20
Speaker 10: interfering in the midterm elections. And The Washington Post is
32:23
Speaker 10: incensed by the idea that Trump might try to influence
32:27
Speaker 10: the election, which, of course, every president does. So you
32:32
Speaker 10: have to read their article pretty carefully to find what
32:36
Speaker 10: it is they think that Trump might do that is wrong.
32:40
Speaker 10: And the answer is they're concerned about the idea that
32:44
Speaker 10: if an election result is found to be the result
32:46
Speaker 10: of voter fraud, the Republicans might challenge it, which.
32:50
Speaker 4: Yes, I would certainly hope so.
32:53
Speaker 10: And the second thing is they say that the Trump
32:55
Speaker 10: administration might send border agents or even soldiers to the polls.
33:01
Speaker 4: And the border agent point, of course, is.
33:03
Speaker 10: Significant because quite a few illegal aliens, in fact, do
33:08
Speaker 10: show up and vote. For what it's worth, it's a
33:11
Speaker 10: crime punishable by five years in prison to put soldiers
33:16
Speaker 10: at the polls. So I don't think we have to
33:18
Speaker 10: worry about that happening.
33:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, but John, you know, tells me this narrative here.
33:23
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we see a lot of
33:26
Speaker 1: stories here saying that, oh, you know, the midterms are
33:28
Speaker 1: going to be a washout for the Republicans. Trump's going
33:30
Speaker 1: to get absolutely wiped out of Congress. But it feels
33:34
Speaker 1: to me like they're trying to build a narrative where
33:35
Speaker 1: maybe things aren't going to go quite the Democrats' way?
33:38
Speaker 1: And if so, they're maybe looking to delegitimize the results themselves,
33:42
Speaker 1: which is, of course, what they always accuse Trump of.
33:46
Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the ironies, James.
33:47
Speaker 10: If the election does not go well for them, they'll
33:49
Speaker 10: be challenging results all over the place.
33:53
Speaker 4: You know, they do that very often. I don't know.
33:56
Speaker 10: I think the election is going to be very close
33:59
Speaker 10: in many districts.
34:00
Speaker 4: The Senate, I think, is going to have.
34:02
Speaker 10: A lot of close races, and probably most of them
34:05
Speaker 10: are going to break one way or the other in
34:07
Speaker 10: the last days before the election. So I think it's
34:10
Speaker 10: an election at this point that really could go either way.
34:13
Speaker 1: Look, I think you're right. I think all these stories,
34:16
Speaker 1: predicting a Democrat landslide, it's just like the Republicans were
34:18
Speaker 1: supposed to clean up four years ago when Joe Biden
34:22
Speaker 1: was halfway through his first term. You know, I'm also
34:26
Speaker 1: struck by this here. They're really pulling out. I don't
34:28
Speaker 1: know if you call it the big guns here, John,
34:30
Speaker 1: but Vice President Kamala Harris, former vice president, is going
34:34
Speaker 1: to be campaigning in five states over the next week
34:37
Speaker 1: to bid in a bid to help the Democrats midterm chances. John,
34:42
Speaker 1: this is Nevada, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Georgia. Do
34:46
Speaker 1: you think a hefty serving of word salad is going
34:50
Speaker 1: to give the Democrats a bit of a bump?
34:54
Speaker 10: Of course, the irony here is that Kamala is only
34:57
Speaker 10: popular in deep blue states where the Democratic candidates don't
35:01
Speaker 10: need her. I actually think she might do more harm
35:04
Speaker 10: than good in purple states like Nevada.
35:07
Speaker 4: And New Hampshire and.
35:08
Speaker 10: Wisconsin, unless all she does is meet with rich donors
35:13
Speaker 10: to do fundraising. That is Kamala Harris's real constituency, rich
35:18
Speaker 10: left-wing donors.
35:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, rich left-wing donors. But I mean, don't the Democrats,
35:23
Speaker 1: I've heard this, have a bit of a money problem
35:25
Speaker 1: this year, that the Republicans have really outraised them this cycle.
35:28
Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that?
35:30
Speaker 4: James, it's hard to tell.
35:31
Speaker 10: There are so many different pockets that money goes into.
35:34
Speaker 10: The DNC doesn't have much money, but that doesn't mean much.
35:38
Speaker 10: I mean, the Democrats are never short of cash. I'd
35:41
Speaker 10: love to believe they're short of cash. This year, but
35:43
Speaker 10: I think it's highly unlikely.
35:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, let's throw forward a little bit
35:49
Speaker 1: then to 2028. J.D. Vance is now talking a bit
35:52
Speaker 1: more about his chances in 2028. And he's saying that, well,
35:57
Speaker 1: he's saying, he's saying he's not sure that he'd receive
36:01
Speaker 1: President Trump's endorsement right out of the gate. Here's what
36:05
Speaker 1: he had to say. Look, I think if I run,
36:08
Speaker 1: the president will endorse me. Right away. Right at the beginning.
36:10
Speaker 2: In other words, like the day you announced, if you did,
36:13
Speaker 2: he'd endorse you, right?
36:15
Speaker 1: I would think so, but I don't know, man.
36:17
Speaker 5: I haven't talked to him about it.
36:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:18
Speaker 1: It'd be kind of weird, though. It'd be kind of
36:21
Speaker 1: weird if you said, Mr.
36:21
Speaker 5: President, I'm going to run.
36:23
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, let me think about it. I
36:26
Speaker 1: don't know, John. I don't think or actually think I
36:28
Speaker 1: would like to play poker with J.D. Vance there because,
36:32
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was giving quite a bit
36:34
Speaker 1: away there with the way his voice rose about seven octaves.
36:37
Speaker 1: He said, oh, I don't know what Trump would do here.
36:40
Speaker 1: We haven't spoken about it.
36:42
Speaker 10: Well, in that interview, Vance said that he thought Trump
36:45
Speaker 10: might want to let the race go. play out for
36:48
Speaker 10: a while rather than endorse someone right at the beginning.
36:51
Speaker 4: I think that's right.
36:52
Speaker 10: I think that Trump likes both Vance and Rubio, and
36:55
Speaker 10: I think he may want to see which one looks
36:56
Speaker 10: like a stronger candidate before he endorses either one.
37:01
Speaker 4: The other thing that we should keep in.
37:02
Speaker 10: Mind, James, is that we don't know how popular or
37:06
Speaker 10: unpopular Donald Trump is going to be a year or
37:10
Speaker 10: a year and a half from now. And it could
37:12
Speaker 10: be that by that time, candidates for the Republican nomination
37:16
Speaker 10: might want to have a little distance between themselves and
37:19
Speaker 10: President Trump.
37:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think that's not a bad thought, particularly,
37:23
Speaker 1: I mean, again, we got to see how things go
37:25
Speaker 1: in the midterms in a couple of weeks. But there
37:26
Speaker 1: was another really interesting bit to me about that interview.
37:32
Speaker 1: And Vance was talking about Benjamin Netanyahu, and he said
37:36
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't endorse Netanyahu for what it's worth for
37:39
Speaker 1: reelection in Israel, despite Trump saying that he would. Now,
37:44
Speaker 1: to me, I think this indicates, well, a couple of things.
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, J.D. has the whole Tucker
37:49
Speaker 1: Carlson issue, but also it seems to indicate, you know,
37:53
Speaker 1: what I've heard, and on my most recent trip to America,
37:55
Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of people on the right,
37:57
Speaker 1: Support for Israel and support for Netanyahu has really ebbed away,
38:02
Speaker 1: particularly in the last year.
38:06
Speaker 10: Well, it's definitely ebbed away in the Democratic Party, which
38:08
Speaker 10: is now basically pro-Hamas. I think there's been some of
38:12
Speaker 10: that in the Republican Party, although much less.
38:15
Speaker 4: I think the real difference, James, is this.
38:17
Speaker 10: President Trump has never understood America first to mean isolationism.
38:23
Speaker 10: Some people have misunderstood him there, but that's never what
38:26
Speaker 10: he's said.
38:27
Speaker 4: I think J.D.
38:28
Speaker 10: Vance is much more of an isolationist than President Trump is.
38:32
Speaker 4: I don't think it's just Israel. I think it's broader
38:35
Speaker 4: than that.
38:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
38:36
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's interesting. I think there's also a
38:40
Speaker 1: demographic divide. I find that younger Americans seem to be
38:43
Speaker 1: much more in the– you know, moving away from Israel camp,
38:47
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting. But, hey, let's have a
38:49
Speaker 1: little fun here, because we've got those former NBA players,
38:52
Speaker 1: Innes Cantor, Freedom, and Royce White. Well, they've been dealt
38:56
Speaker 1: another blow in their efforts, these fellas, to play in
38:59
Speaker 1: the WNBA. They had announced plans to enter the 2027
39:02
Speaker 1: WNBA draft by saying they were identifying as women, but
39:07
Speaker 1: Commissioner Kathy Engelbert has told Republican lawmakers in Congress... I
39:13
Speaker 1: can't believe how bigoted and insensitive this is that they
39:16
Speaker 1: won't be allowed to play because they're still men. But
39:20
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is like their rules say they can.
39:23
Speaker 1: What's wrong here? This is just I hate this sort
39:26
Speaker 1: of bigotry against these fellas or ladies.
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Speaker 10: Well, James, the obvious question is, how does the WNBA
39:33
Speaker 10: know that Cantor and White are men? Isn't that supposed
39:36
Speaker 10: to be an impenetrable mystery that can only be resolved
39:40
Speaker 10: by asking somebody how he identifies? They've said they identify
39:44
Speaker 10: as women. And so it's very comical to watch the
39:48
Speaker 10: WNBA going, around in circles here. And the interesting question
39:53
Speaker 10: is what are they going to do when the next
39:55
Speaker 10: transgender person comes along who isn't such a good player,
39:59
Speaker 10: you know, like those guys are, and it wouldn't make
40:02
Speaker 10: the whole league look silly if he actually played in
40:05
Speaker 10: the WNBA. I suspect that they will open the league
40:08
Speaker 10: up to trans players as long as they aren't all
40:12
Speaker 10: that good.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it would be funny. You know,
40:14
Speaker 1: you could say, you know, these guys, they're excellent. But
40:16
Speaker 1: what if I put my hand up for the WNBA?
40:19
Speaker 1: I think that might give them a real dilemma there because,
40:22
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it would be very good.
40:25
Speaker 1: Very quickly, John, there was a story in the New
40:27
Speaker 1: York Post the other day. I'd love to get your
40:28
Speaker 1: take on it. But apparently it says that Americans are
40:31
Speaker 1: turning their back on the old tradition of hosting people
40:34
Speaker 1: over for dinner with analysis from the data for progress
40:38
Speaker 1: from data for progress, revealing that only 67 percent of
40:41
Speaker 1: Americans entertain people in their homes at least once in
40:44
Speaker 1: the last year, down from 88 percent in 1995. And
40:47
Speaker 1: they said there's a whole bunch of reasons for it.
40:49
Speaker 1: I found this really depressing, John, because I love entertaining.
40:53
Speaker 1: I suspect you might too. But what do you think?
40:56
Speaker 1: Is that another sign that American society is just becoming
40:59
Speaker 1: a bit sad and atomized?
41:02
Speaker 10: I think this is the decline in social life that's
41:05
Speaker 10: been going on for some years now. For some reason, people,
41:08
Speaker 10: at least in the United States, are increasingly happy to
41:12
Speaker 10: stay home by themselves. And I don't think anyone thinks
41:16
Speaker 10: this is good, but no one really seems to know
41:18
Speaker 10: what to do about it.
41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, John. Well, if you ever make
41:21
Speaker 1: it out to Australia, you're coming over to the house
41:23
Speaker 1: for dinner. Thank you so much for your time. We'll
41:25
Speaker 1: speak again soon. Thank you. Still to come, Prince Harry. Yeah,
41:30
Speaker 1: Prince Harry, he hopes to reconcile with his father and brother,
41:33
Speaker 1: but is it really for the love of family or
41:36
Speaker 1: is it for the love of money? Angela Mollard will
41:39
Speaker 1: break it down for us next. Well, Prince Harry has
41:48
Speaker 1: spoken out, as he is wont to do, this time
41:51
Speaker 1: in an exclusive sit-down interview with GQ magazine. And he
41:55
Speaker 1: said that he actually does want to repair the broken
41:59
Speaker 1: relationship with his brother and father. Have a look.
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Speaker 11: Scars stick around forever. but what your perception is and
42:10
Speaker 11: what your mindset is to those things that have happened. Certainly,
42:15
Speaker 11: letting go of the past, that's something that I would
42:19
Speaker 11: encourage everybody to do. If there's certain things from the
42:22
Speaker 11: past that are still affecting your everyday, that's harder to
42:24
Speaker 11: let go of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, is this the plea of a man who deeply
42:28
Speaker 1: cares about amending the family bond, or is this somebody
42:32
Speaker 1: who just desperately wants to build back up his dwindling
42:35
Speaker 1: wealth and assets and win back the affections of the
42:38
Speaker 1: British people? Who knows? To help me sort it out,
42:41
Speaker 1: let's bring in News Corp columnist Angela Mollard. Angela, it's
42:45
Speaker 1: really interesting when you hear him speak like that, because
42:49
Speaker 1: to me, when somebody starts talking about, you know, all
42:51
Speaker 1: the scars of the past and letting go of the past,
42:54
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they're letting go of the past.
42:56
Speaker 8: He's not letting go of the past at all. And
42:58
Speaker 8: he hasn't been letting go of the past for the
43:00
Speaker 8: last five years. Ever since Megs had happened, he has
43:02
Speaker 8: been holding on to that past and discharging his sense
43:05
Speaker 8: of grievance.
43:06
Speaker 5: Around that past.
43:07
Speaker 8: He's done Oprah. He's had a Netflix series. He's written
43:11
Speaker 8: his autobiography, Spare. We know how Harry feels. What he
43:15
Speaker 8: does go on to say in this interview is that
43:17
Speaker 8: he basically throws his older brother, William, under the bus again, saying,
43:21
Speaker 8: you know, not everybody wants to reconcile. Now, you're not
43:25
Speaker 8: going to be able to reconcile if you keep speaking
43:27
Speaker 8: to the media instead of just, you know, listening to
43:31
Speaker 8: your own internal engine, which says... What do I want
43:34
Speaker 8: from this? I think he genuinely does want to reconcile
43:38
Speaker 8: with his family. I think he wants to be part
43:39
Speaker 8: of it. He's got young children. They don't have cousins
43:42
Speaker 8: in America. He's moved his family back to Britain. I
43:45
Speaker 8: think he genuinely wants his kids to have a relationship
43:48
Speaker 8: with their cousins, but he's going the wrong way about it.
43:51
Speaker 1: So why is he going the wrong way about it?
43:53
Speaker 1: Is it his wife? Is it that he is just
43:57
Speaker 1: too daft to understand what he needs to do? Because,
44:00
Speaker 1: I mean, you know... At its most basic level, it
44:04
Speaker 1: really is just picking up a phone.
44:06
Speaker 8: He's not a smart guy, number one, and he's poorly advised.
44:11
Speaker 8: Although he would, you know, look, there are plenty of
44:14
Speaker 8: people that could advise him. The problem is that he
44:16
Speaker 8: and Meghan keep losing advisers and they go ahead, according
44:20
Speaker 8: to their own agenda, with, you know, even this time,
44:23
Speaker 8: he's given this interview and then his team have had
44:26
Speaker 8: to say, oh, he didn't mean his brother when he
44:28
Speaker 8: said that other parties don't want to reconcile him. So
44:31
Speaker 8: they're always having to do damage limitation with Harry. Harry,
44:35
Speaker 8: when he was younger, was really well advised by people
44:38
Speaker 8: within the palace.
44:39
Speaker 5: A guy called Mark Dyer.
44:40
Speaker 8: He had other Jamie Pinkerton who were excellent at this. Now,
44:45
Speaker 8: he needs to go back to that royal model and
44:47
Speaker 8: know that if you hire good people, you will make
44:51
Speaker 8: good decisions.
44:52
Speaker 1: So is he just getting like the, you know, not
44:53
Speaker 1: the B or C list, but the F and G
44:55
Speaker 1: and H list?
44:57
Speaker 8: No, he's getting good people, but they don't stay. And
45:00
Speaker 8: so he overrules them or something goes wrong or Meghan's,
45:04
Speaker 8: you know, notoriously difficult to work for. So they don't
45:07
Speaker 8: have that, not so much succession panning, but the embedding
45:12
Speaker 8: of loyal people. If you think about it, the King's
45:15
Speaker 8: number one advisor, Clive Alderton, has been with him for decades.
45:18
Speaker 8: You need that relationship to know when your principal, as,
45:22
Speaker 8: you know, Harry will be for whoever he was, when
45:24
Speaker 8: you need to align with them and when you need
45:27
Speaker 8: to let him go his own way on that. And
45:29
Speaker 8: that's a relationship. We all know good Stratcoms people can
45:33
Speaker 8: be your best advisors when you're on a world stage
45:37
Speaker 8: that's running at 24-7 like this is.
45:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suspect he's not hearing no enough from
45:42
Speaker 1: these people.
45:43
Speaker 5: Well, he's hearing Harry.
45:44
Speaker 8: Yeah. He only listens to Harry. He's got some internal monologue,
45:47
Speaker 8: you know, his wife's monologue, that he thinks, you know,
45:49
Speaker 8: trumps everybody else.
45:51
Speaker 1: Hey, tell us also about this defamation claim from his
45:54
Speaker 1: charity that he's co-founded called Sensible, and it's resulted in
46:00
Speaker 1: a resignation and a dispute over leadership. And does this...
46:03
Speaker 1: case have any sort of bearing on his finances, which
46:07
Speaker 1: might be also adding to the stress, which might be
46:09
Speaker 1: causing him to do other things?
46:10
Speaker 8: Look, this is a really intricate case. Basically, he set
46:14
Speaker 8: up this charity 20 years ago honouring Diana, his late
46:17
Speaker 8: mother's work. He worked with children with HIV in Africa. Now,
46:21
Speaker 8: he's had a run-in with the CEO of the charity.
46:25
Speaker 8: Harry and one of the other trustees has broken away
46:29
Speaker 8: from it. He's being sued for defamation by her. But
46:34
Speaker 8: in the meantime, all the work that the charity did
46:38
Speaker 8: has to be paused. They're not holding certain events because
46:41
Speaker 8: the money is now not flowing in because Harry's not
46:43
Speaker 8: attached to it. Now, whether it's found that Harry did,
46:46
Speaker 8: in fact, defame this woman by basically having a messaging
46:51
Speaker 8: campaign against her or whether, you know, she's got a
46:54
Speaker 8: fairly toxic leadership personality, we don't yet know. But what
46:57
Speaker 8: has happened is that these kids... in Africa who were
47:01
Speaker 8: the beneficiaries of Harry's, you know, status on the world
47:04
Speaker 8: stage and now not getting that support. And that's really
47:07
Speaker 8: sad when you think that it was done in honour
47:09
Speaker 8: of his mother.
47:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is pretty grim and pretty grubby. But,
47:12
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of grubby also, I want to ask
47:15
Speaker 1: about this story with Netflix and Meghan Markle. And apparently
47:19
Speaker 1: somebody there just kind of let it slip that she
47:21
Speaker 1: might be in the next series of The Gentleman. Now,
47:24
Speaker 1: was this a bit of somebody else trying to get
47:26
Speaker 1: in on the Meghan grift?
47:27
Speaker 8: We don't know if this was Megan who leaked this
47:30
Speaker 8: or whether it was Guy Ritchie who directs the gentleman
47:34
Speaker 8: as his baby or whether it was Netflix themselves thinking, look,
47:37
Speaker 8: we need to drum up some attention for the second
47:39
Speaker 8: series of the show. By the way, it hasn't rated
47:43
Speaker 8: nearly as well as the first season, so it's only
47:46
Speaker 8: got half the viewers. Look, Netflix could well, within their rights, think,
47:51
Speaker 8: you know what, we didn't get our money's worth out
47:52
Speaker 8: of these grifters. We're going to actually stick her name
47:55
Speaker 8: next to it. That'll drive attention. We'll try and get
47:57
Speaker 8: the viewing figures up. But what Meghan's done is interpreted
48:00
Speaker 8: this as, oh, this is a good reason to move
48:03
Speaker 8: to the UK. I'll be working with Guy Ritchie. Or
48:05
Speaker 8: maybe Guy Ritchie himself has leaked it wanting to draw attention.
48:09
Speaker 8: We don't know. But now Meghan's people have come out
48:12
Speaker 8: saying that she's been used by Netflix, used by Guy Ritchie. Look,
48:16
Speaker 8: this is a circular kind of who's throwing who under
48:19
Speaker 8: the bus.
48:20
Speaker 1: Who's using who?
48:20
Speaker 5: They are all using each other.
48:22
Speaker 1: And very quickly, just got to ask you about Jay-Z,
48:25
Speaker 1: or do we say Jay-Zed in Australia? I don't know.
48:27
Speaker 1: I don't know either, actually. It's a good question, isn't it?
48:29
Speaker 1: But anyway, the American rapper, he's doing the Super Bowl,
48:32
Speaker 1: was supposed to be organizing the Super Bowl halftime act,
48:36
Speaker 1: but he's decided, well, I might as well do it himself.
48:39
Speaker 1: Is that in the spirit of this thing? Oh, I
48:41
Speaker 1: love this.
48:41
Speaker 8: This is either genius, ego, or a massive, massive conflict
48:46
Speaker 8: of interest here.
48:47
Speaker 1: Or maybe all three. Oh, probably all three.
48:49
Speaker 2: Look, I don't mind it, you know.
48:51
Speaker 8: He's earned the right to do it if he wants
48:52
Speaker 8: to be the half-time, you know, the talent. But the
48:56
Speaker 8: fact is, as you say, his company ran this since 2019.
49:01
Speaker 8: Now he's putting himself in the top spot. If he
49:03
Speaker 8: can get Rihanna, his wife, Beyonce and some other hip-hop
49:07
Speaker 8: artists into that top spot... I'd be watching that.
49:10
Speaker 1: But you know what?
49:11
Speaker 8: The NFL will love this because months out it's driving attention.
49:15
Speaker 1: That's true.
49:15
Speaker 8: We're talking about it and the thing isn't even until January,
49:19
Speaker 8: is it?
49:19
Speaker 1: And it can't be worse than some of the other
49:20
Speaker 1: halftime acts they've had. Angela Mollard, we're going to have
49:23
Speaker 1: to leave it there. Now, thank you so much for
49:25
Speaker 1: joining me. Stick around. Up next is Late Edition.