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09/14/26 - Hour 2 · The Huddle

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  Speaker 1: Rolling through a Monday in the good land. Not a
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  Speaker 1: victory Monday. Drew, Billy, and Armin bringing it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Packers lose their opener in car crash fashion to the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings yesterday at U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Bank Stadium. We're here for it. 877-794-1973. Gets you to
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  Speaker 2: the NicoletLaw.com talk and text line on.
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  Speaker 1: A game balls and kicks to the balls Monday. Plenty
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  Speaker 1: of fertile territory for both. Yeah, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: us just lining up to get kicked.
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  Speaker 2: One more time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that is a lot of what, what is it, 90%
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  Speaker 3: of being a sports fan is getting kicked in the nuts,
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  Speaker 3: and it might feel like 100% of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, Fellig is about to be a 10%er.
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  Speaker 3: I like it was about to be a 10% of
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  Speaker 3: you're going to win on the road at U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Bank Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: Knock their quarterback out early on. And Tyler Murray already
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  Speaker 3: have a ton of questions rolling through.
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  Speaker 2: And instead, Brian Flores looks like a genius. Kevin O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: is rolling.
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  Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson has his swagger back and has more touchdowns
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: in two games than he did in 2025. He had
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns all last year. Has two touchdowns in game
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  Speaker 3: number one. That's a heck of a way to start
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  Speaker 3: for the boys in purple yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I had a glimmer of hope.
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  Speaker 3: There was one point when they threw the camera over
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  Speaker 3: to J.J. McCarthy on the sideline. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you guys saw that.
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  Speaker 2: Helmet on. Helmet on. Yeah, that was weird. Looked like
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  Speaker 2: he was doing something important in a clipboard or a notebook. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's been promoted now. And a wristband. And I was like, Oh, yeah, please.
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  Speaker 3: Like, we need this. This is what we need right now.
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  Speaker 3: Because I had that sinking feeling when Carson was in.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this guy's done it before. He
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  Speaker 3: might know how to figure this thing out and win.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what Kyler was going to do. He
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  Speaker 3: didn't start off great. And I'm like, oh, boy, this
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  Speaker 3: could be a thing. And then I'm like, please, yes,
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  Speaker 3: go with McCarthy. Please, JJ, yes. But it didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: That was my one glimmer of hope. It didn't come through.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't come through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is this a game ball? Can we give opponents
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  Speaker 2: a game ball? Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Or do they have to split one? Give it to
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner and Blake Cashman.
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  Speaker 3: They were phenomenal yesterday, and Cashman completely changed the game
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  Speaker 3: with the rush up the middle, Drew.
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  Speaker 2: Seven quick pressures. Quick.
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner looked like a beast. Like, I knew he
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  Speaker 1: was a good player at Alabama. And then it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: rookie year is rookie year. And then last year, I
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  Speaker 1: think he had seven or eight sacks. And then now
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  Speaker 1: it looks like, oh, man, he's going to be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like he's taking that third-year jump.
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  Speaker 3: And it also looks like hopefully Lucas Van Ness taking
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a jump in his getoff. But
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  Speaker 3: that was a different kind of rush that Turner was providing.
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  Speaker 3: And he's also had, Drew, in his young career, a
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  Speaker 3: little issue with penalties. That's the other thing you've got
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  Speaker 3: to give credit to Minnesota for. As undisciplined and as
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  Speaker 3: some of them were relatively questionable, to say the least,
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  Speaker 3: you know, They ended up being the more disciplined team yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: and you ended up giving five first downs away via
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  Speaker 3: penalty and almost 100 yards in penalties.
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  Speaker 2: That's just far, far too many on the road.
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  Speaker 3: And those seven quick pressures, so under two and a
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  Speaker 3: half seconds, super special NFL next-gen stats says that's most
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  Speaker 3: by the linebacker, most by a linebacker in the next-gen
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  Speaker 3: stats era.
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  Speaker 2: Which started in 2018. That's wild. That's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these things I keep seeing. First time, first time.
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  Speaker 3: How come every game we lose, it's like the first
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  Speaker 3: time that something has happened?
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  Speaker 2: There's a song about that. Feels like the first time.
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  Speaker 2: Feels like the first time every time. Let's go! There
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 3: The kick in the balls is for the third down
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  Speaker 3: efficiency defensively. And I guess on.
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  Speaker 2: Offense as well. And offensively. I was going to say
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  Speaker 2: offensively was worse.
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  Speaker 3: You can do a lot of things in a game.
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  Speaker 3: You can outgain an opponent by 180 yards, but if
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  Speaker 3: you're three for 12 on third and they're eight for 15,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be very hard to win.
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  Speaker 1: We're focusing on play calling, offensive line play, protections, and
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  Speaker 1: all of these things. Let's flip it because there was
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  Speaker 1: a core of people last year that said Halfley was
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  Speaker 1: overrated in this defense. These meltdowns, it's a total team thing.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: Like I said, everything in football is connected. The Trace
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  Speaker 1: Mac missed. point after, change the game in the way
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  Speaker 1: the game unwound, right?
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  Speaker 2: It just, it does.
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  Speaker 1: It's because like we said, if they go up two
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  Speaker 1: scores with that field goal, the floor doesn't leave the
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  Speaker 1: points on the field and he just, we move on.
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  Speaker 1: But that, you know, it happens. So football is a
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  Speaker 1: series of reacting. You try to assert your authority, but
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  Speaker 1: it's reacting to what happens in the game, right? And
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  Speaker 1: that's so, everything matters in a play in the first
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  Speaker 1: quarter that you don't think is going to be big,
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  Speaker 1: ends up in.
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  Speaker 2: Hindsight being big. Right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But where are we with this defense? Because they were
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  Speaker 1: getting home and got pressure. It's Carson Wentz.
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  Speaker 2: He's not as mobile. I know the game plan changed, but... Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Where are we with the way the defense performed in
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  Speaker 1: the first game of the Jonathan Gannon era?
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  Speaker 2: Because we're not really talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I thought the defense, it's hard to say when
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  Speaker 3: it feels like when you ultimately almost get 40 balled.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, 40 balls, but two of those were just layups here.
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  Speaker 1: Have the ball in the one or the seven.
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  Speaker 2: Like, here you go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, the final score is going to
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  Speaker 3: be what their scoring defense goes off of and how
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  Speaker 3: you reflect it.
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  Speaker 2: And sudden change is going to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where I say it.
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  Speaker 3: I still felt like the defense played well through large
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  Speaker 3: stretches of the game. I thought on the outside, I
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  Speaker 3: thought they covered up Jefferson decently well. Again, the big
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  Speaker 3: play that he hits you with is on a free
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  Speaker 3: play where you jump off sides. And then the other
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  Speaker 3: one's a superhuman leap. And again, the game's kind of
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  Speaker 3: Feels like it's out of whack at that point. And
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: he applies the shamrock, as we like to say on
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: the Badger Football Postgame Show.
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  Speaker 2: The tough part defensively was.
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  Speaker 3: you saw moments where they were able to bring a
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  Speaker 3: ton of pressure. They have to bring pressure. They got
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  Speaker 3: to bring guys to bring pressure. Similar to what the
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  Speaker 3: Vikings do. Maybe bring even more of it. And you
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  Speaker 3: do a similar style of game plan to what the
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  Speaker 3: Vikings are unleashing. I don't think, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: they're going to blitz it 78% of the time, like
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: they did yesterday, every single week, but they're going to
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  Speaker 3: line up their speed linebackers up on the line, double
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  Speaker 3: mug and force you to make that decision. Packers seem
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  Speaker 3: like they have the athleticism at that linebacker spot where
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  Speaker 3: I could see them doing more of it. But I
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  Speaker 3: thought Zaire Franklin came to the party big time. Evan
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  Speaker 3: Williams was in position, grabbed a pick, ultimately gets wiped away.
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  Speaker 3: It was good to see Bullard in there full go
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  Speaker 3: after the injuries that he's dealt with in camp. So
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  Speaker 3: I thought the defense all in all played well, even
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  Speaker 3: though the final score doesn't really validate.
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  Speaker 2: That i have to agree you.
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  Speaker 3: Have to defend the d in this sentence i mean
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  Speaker 3: you're up 22 10 and then the special teams puts
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  Speaker 3: you behind that's what they score with that big return
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  Speaker 3: and then the next drive the most important defensive driver
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  Speaker 3: of the game they came through in my opinion multiple
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  Speaker 3: times and but those penalties kept three penalties wiping them
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  Speaker 3: out i mean you're getting off the field every time
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  Speaker 3: i mean and then finally with the pick and then
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  Speaker 3: once again you're getting these calls that are i mean
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  Speaker 3: there are some something to some of them but they're
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  Speaker 3: 50 50s at best yeah just terrible Terrible fortune, I'd say,
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  Speaker 3: in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: The Chris McClellan penalty, upon further review, it's kind of ticky-tack.
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  Speaker 1: But it is getting called every time. When you land
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  Speaker 1: directly on top, you've got to be off to the
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  Speaker 1: side a little bit. I thought he tried to push
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  Speaker 1: his elbows up.
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  Speaker 2: He tried to push up a little bit, I thought.
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  Speaker 2: Was it Steratore? Who was their eye in the sky?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gene.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He said, oh, he put his arms out clearly.
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  Speaker 2: And he was trying to.
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  Speaker 1: But that's an adjustment he'll have to make because if
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  Speaker 1: you land directly on top of a quarterback, unless it's
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Love.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to get a flag.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is, too, he gets rid of
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  Speaker 3: the ball. He contacts him as he's throwing the football.
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  Speaker 3: And it is, you got to be able to let go.
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  Speaker 3: That's the rule.
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  Speaker 2: In the SEC, you're probably going to be okay with
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  Speaker 2: that one.
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  Speaker 3: I would just say, though, I thought that they smacked
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  Speaker 3: Jordan a couple times and didn't get a call. They
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  Speaker 3: certainly did. And that's the nature of football. These aren't
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  Speaker 3: going to be consistent. Focusing on the Zebras is a
• 7:51
  Speaker 3: fool's errand. Right, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: There's calls missed every week and every day.
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  Speaker 3: Series affected that drive so much is the point i
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  Speaker 3: understand what you're saying and i agree.
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  Speaker 1: With you but the bullard one on a sack that
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  Speaker 1: was that can go into the ticky tack i think
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  Speaker 1: it was it that's the one that feels even more
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  Speaker 1: agreed yes it was penalty but that was ticky tack
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  Speaker 1: because it was 20 yards downfield didn't have effect to
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  Speaker 1: play at all and it was like that was and
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  Speaker 1: then the mckinney thing you just get bull rushed by
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  Speaker 1: a tight end which tucker craft should do every series
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  Speaker 1: i was gonna say you can just get run over
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  Speaker 1: in that house because that That could have been in
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: an alternate universe. That's offensive pass interference.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, I really, the McKinney one upon further
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  Speaker 3: review is the one that I probably had the most
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: issue with just from the X's and O's, the blocking
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  Speaker 3: and tackling of it. The perception of it. The Bullard one,
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  Speaker 3: it's so far away. It's not even close. But that's
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  Speaker 3: illegal contact, right? So it's not necessarily close to the play.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how close to the play it is.
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  Speaker 3: If it's beyond five yards, it is. And so, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: seven yards is beyond five yards.
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  Speaker 2: That is a fact.
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  Speaker 3: So, listen, you leave the game up in the hands
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  Speaker 3: of the referees, you've already lost it, especially on the road. And...
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  Speaker 3: I'm not blind to it as well. The Packers definitely
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  Speaker 3: got fortunate. A couple more didn't get called. Probably the
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  Speaker 3: two personal fouls that they didn't get called for were
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  Speaker 3: the ones that I would have agreed with the most. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the one around Jefferson's head.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And the one around Jefferson's head. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's obviously an aspect to where you control that by
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  Speaker 3: not penalizing, but part of the game is also pushing
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  Speaker 3: the line to penalize all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a... There was a randomness involved in that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Brad, crowd on Facebook, if Jacobs and Parsons were
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: in there playing, would the result be different?
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  Speaker 2: I'd have to think so. It's hard not to think that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's another thing. We don't factor that into
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  Speaker 1: the equation at all. But do the Packers lose that
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: game if Parsons and Jacobs play?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's one of the reasons why I'm very excited
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  Speaker 3: to see the defense with Micah Parsons in there. But
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  Speaker 3: I also think you're able to run the ball at
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  Speaker 3: least a little bit more, even with the poorest group
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  Speaker 3: up front, if Jacobs is in the game. Like, you're
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: able to establish and control a little bit more in
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  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and give them at least a
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: little bit of a curveball. Because Drew, it definitely was,
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, we all were able to see it. Marshawn
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: Lloyd was on the field. They were better than not. Chance,
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  Speaker 3: they were running it. Chris Brooks is on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Better than not chance. They were throwing and he only
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  Speaker 3: ran it seven times. And every time he handed it,
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: they handed it to him.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like a win for Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: The first play after the Vikings took the lead, they
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: handed the Lloyd and the minus three and people are
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: crushing that play call. It's like, it seems like that.
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  Speaker 1: I know this has been Kurt Benkert's thing too about
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  Speaker 1: conservative play calls, but the.
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  Speaker 2: Packers do play.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of shot plays like after quick
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: changes and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And after, you know, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the Packers, like, okay, we, we just got
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  Speaker 1: to turn over.
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  Speaker 2: All right, great.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: Here's our, here's a run in the line and incompletion
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  Speaker 1: over third and nine. It's like, well, then what, you know,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: we're not, we're not making the most of it. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like call a play that works. It
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: sounds like being a calling, criticizing guy, but that does
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  Speaker 1: seem to be a trend there that they're, they're better off.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not, It used to be the old saw
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's really good when the first 20
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: plays are scripted. But after that, well, again, it's reacting
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: to what's happening in the game and that Matt LaFleur
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: has forgotten more. And he still remains, I think, an
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  Speaker 1: elite play caller. But there are times when you just go,
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like, what is that? Like, the
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: third and long toss. The pitch to Brooks, yeah. To
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: Brooks is the one that people are going to be like,
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: in what universe is that a solid play? Well, we
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: thought we had a look like, I don't know, against
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: that defense, tossing Chris Brooks on third and 11th.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: Unless you're setting up a field goal, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: That was one that you go, what? And it's not
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: the results. I'm looking at just the idea of that's
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: the best we got. We got Christian Watson. We got
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Jaden Reed. We got Tucker Kraft. And we're going to
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  Speaker 1: toss to Chris Brooks?
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  Speaker 3: Well, and Matt mentioned it on the call yesterday or
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  Speaker 3: on the postgame yesterday that that was the check because
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: of what they had on. And then you wonder, and
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: this is something that Wayne and I talked a lot
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  Speaker 3: about during the preseason of, you know, maybe one of
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  Speaker 3: the next steps of Jordan's evolution is, yes, making the
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  Speaker 3: right check into what strategically the numbers would indicate is
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: the right decision. But at some point, you got to
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: say to hell with that, and I got to go
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  Speaker 3: make a play. And that might have been one of
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  Speaker 3: those situations of, sure, the numbers are telling me this
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  Speaker 3: is the check that I'm supposed to go to. But
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  Speaker 3: I like the check of, let me throw it to
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  Speaker 3: nine against two guys.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Better than Chris Brooks legging out 12. Let's let our
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: guy beat their guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right? I get it. And that was a check.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, we blame LeFleur because he's in
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: charge of play calling. But that was a check. And
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: it was like, okay. And he's got to stand by
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: his quarterback. But I'm sure even he's like, okay, well,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: why didn't we? why don't we stick with what we
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: had or.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: Again take our one of those where you say hey
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: how about we auto check to a pass i don't
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: care what they what they present to you because you
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: gotta trust yourself a little bit if the idea is
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  Speaker 3: well the look's not there so i have to run
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  Speaker 3: to this play because we're not gonna have anyone open
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  Speaker 3: i don't want to make a play.
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  Speaker 2: How many times.
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  Speaker 3: You just see if it's there and take a sec
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  Speaker 3: if it's not it's a better risk than running that how.
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  Speaker 1: Many times on third and 11 is a toss to
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  Speaker 1: chris brooks gonna gain you 12 yards I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think it will. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what the look is, no matter what you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing on the line, is that the best alternative?
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  Speaker 2: If it looks into the right, you run it to
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  Speaker 2: the left.
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  Speaker 3: Generally speaking, that's going to be better than taking Blake
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Cashman to the chin like you did most of the
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: second half.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: That is a factor.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: When your offensive line is on roller skates, everything gets
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: kind of skewed, right? Because that was the case. They
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: were under siege and they were sending seven a lot
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't know. To me, it's like slip somebody behind.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just so done with all these numbers and
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: this win rate. Mike Wall, former Packer guard, he goes,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what expert made up the stat or
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: how they're tracking this, but the Vikings having a 90.6%
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: pass rush win rate against the Packers yesterday.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Seems impossible. No NFL player is losing 90%.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Of the time and sitting at the bus stop after
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: the game and not sitting at the bus stop after
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: the game. That's again where, listen, whatever number and percentage
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: different individuals are going to put on something, that's football now.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: We got to find different ways to be able to
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: quantify and validate everything.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Sometimes a number, there's not a number for everything.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: I know we want to be in a place where
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: you should be able to quantify and put some kind
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: of expected.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Point value on everything. Sometimes it's just football.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: And there's going to be a play where the whole
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: deal that you're supposed to do is somehow stand in
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Just make it look good enough to stand.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: In the way.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Packers weren't very good at doing that yesterday either.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: It just, I'm so done with these win probabilities and
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: cast rush win rate and EPA and expected value of.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: This, that, and the third.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Let's play this thing on the grass. And luckily we
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: got 16 more games of this to be able to.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: It sure as hell beats talking about the weather though.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't know. I'm still having fun
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: being able to talk about this.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: It sure beats talking about dew points, which a lot
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: of times it felt like we were doing during the summer.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm glad that we're back to football and into
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: the season that matters.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that makes one of us. I love talking dew points. Justin.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I can tell.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Justin. That was, by the way, that was ESPN analytics
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: and NFL next-gen stats who had that.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Justin said, until they get the O-line fixed, every defensive
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: coordinator is going to send the house on them.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Well, then you got to combat that. Yeah. And you're
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: going to throw the ball a lot? Throw the ball, yeah.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: And then early in the first half, it was like, well,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: you can't blitz Jordan Love. Look how he's dicing up
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: the blitz now. And then it was like, well, he
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: did until he didn't. I think the consistency is the
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: issue there, but, you know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: All right, so Danny P, a lot of the blame
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: for yesterday's loss has to fall with the head coach.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Players were not ready. Poor game planning, lack of adjustments,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: poor decision-making game. You boys seem to be letting off
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the hook this morning. Go hard on his ass.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Well, again, like, poor game planning, lack of adjustments. They're
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: up 22-10, right?
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know who's being light on them. I mean,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: all we've said is how on earth are you making
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: that decision on the fourth down? How on earth are
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: you taking points off of the board?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But again, the thing is, unless you come out here
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: and say that they need to fire him tomorrow, or.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: What did my man say?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: What did Star Spangled Banner say last night?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I need to fire him tonight.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Sure, cool, if that's what you want, then that's what
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: you want. That doesn't make any sense. That's not the
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: real world. So if that's what you're here for, then
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: that's not what you're going to get.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: There's definitely plenty of folks that will tell you that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: nonsense here at 618 to pander to you. They're not
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: firing the guy. They just gave him a freaking extension
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: for a reason.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: To the void.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Luke always puts on a great show. He's been doing
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: it for a long time. I believe Luke is now
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: 50 years old. I don't know how that happened.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't... The reason why I fully believe it is
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: because I did watch his son playing high school football
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: on ESPN a couple of weeks ago.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: One of the quarterbacks of a very impressive high school
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: team down in, surprisingly, Franklin, Tennessee.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know this.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: But he's a stud, like a three-star recruit, one of
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: like their top Christian schools or whatever.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were on ESPN and- Luke was in the
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: stands giving them fist bumps. Come on now.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Some good football down there in Tennessee. Real good football.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Iowa's quarterback is from Nashville, from one of those.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: My boy Hank? Hank Brown. He's in Nashville. He sounds
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: like a Nashville guy. Yeah. And looked like a Nashville
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: kid too. And old sunshine, C.J.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Beathard was also a Nashville high school product when he
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: came to Iowa too.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: All right. Back in the day.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Dolph, can you tell us, are Bears fans printing out,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: because no one gets the newspaper and cuts anything out
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of the newspaper, are they printing out the standings this
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: morning to show the Packers as the only team without
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a win in the NFC North?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Probably. Did you guys hear the Green Bay sucks?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Chant in charlotte yesterday oh it was quite loud that's
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: just become the you know the the running joke at
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: chicago games it doesn't matter if it's a cubs game
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: a white socks game bulls a fire game bulls fire
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: hawk it doesn't matter doesn't matter but uh yeah they
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: probably are between the bears and the and the vikings
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: and oh boy the lions almost peed down their leg
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: didn't they oh at the end of that they deserve
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: to lose that game i would also if i'm a
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: bears fan i'm just taking a picture of 14 17
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: 14 14 scoring two touchdowns in every quarter of that
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: game yesterday is like nirvana offensively better than they were
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: yeah they they just clicked now you know are the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: panthers great on defense i don't know i mean they
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: were a playoff team last year but they i think
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they expected to win that game i they had no
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: idea they were gonna score 59 i don't think they
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: thought they were gonna give up Well, that's the thing.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: That's the flip side of that. Is that sustainable, that model?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Let's score 60 and give up 40.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: No, it's probably not. I think somewhere they need to
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: find a pass rush. Because the kids, they've lost a
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: lot of starters off of that defense through free agency.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: But the two guys that impressed me most were both
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: rookies yesterday. the corner, and then Thielemann, who was their
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: number two pick, he was clocking people back there at
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: that stage.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: He's legit.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: And whatever's sustainable, whatever you can replicate, and whatever is this, that,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and third, the one thing that everybody said they weren't
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: going to be able to do from a year ago.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: take the football away like they did they took it
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: away three times that's a good point you know and
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: i mean uh for for the entire season sure we'll
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: see if it's sustainable but they got some sticky hands
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and when the ball was up into the air they
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: were able to take advantage of.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: It yeah and you know and offensively they just gouged
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: uh with the running game where they have close to
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: 300 yards rushing, something like that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Six rushing touchdowns? Did they really?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Six rushing touchdowns is like the most since the 20s
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: or something like that. I didn't know that. So offensively,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to be fine. There's a lot
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: of weapons there. You know, Caleb still has things to
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: clean up. He missed some wide open receivers.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: The son of a gun looked good though. He did.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: That's a bashful way of looking at it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I looked at it from a Packers fan eye and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm a little bit more complimentary than others, but Like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: that run for a touchdown, that 29-yarder, there's not a whole.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Lot of guys in the NFL that are doing that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: There's maybe one to two dudes that are scoring a
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: touchdown in that play. And he was very impressive for
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the bits of it that I saw yesterday.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: One thing I noticed is he didn't do as much
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: of that as he has in years past. Usually, that's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: like his first option. Uh-oh, nothing, so I got to go. And,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: you know, yesterday, he looks like he's obviously... progressed significantly
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: over two years ago and last year um but we'll
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: see i mean the season's.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Early obviously the highlight uh that puts him on the
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: madden cover he's rolling to his left but he threw
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: one to his left down the i think it was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: to burden which 25 30 yards down the field impressive
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that's a that's a really impressive throw again not one
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that a lot of guys in the league can make
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: But you know drew's right i mean the defense is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: where they're They didn't get to the quarterback yesterday. Is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the next game on tap, Vikings-Bears?
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be there Sunday. Come on, man. I'm just
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: glad someone's going to lose that game. Heading to that game, huh?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad someone's going to lose that game.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I was there last year.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: On Monday Night Football, and the Vikings came down and
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: beat them in the opener. So it should be a
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: good game. That's usually always a good game, like anything
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: else in the NFC North.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: You can refer a tie in that one. I guess so, yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I guess we can tie. Armin, who won the Luke
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Bryan tickets? Kurt from Waukesha, congratulations. Hey, all right, Kurt.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Come on, Kurt, stand up. People really win listening to us.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Kurt's also going to win because either you're a single
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: guy and that is a very good show to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: at as a single guy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Sure it is.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Or you're going to tell your significant other that I
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: won tickets to a Luke Bryan show.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And you're going to be the star of the house.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So that's a big day for Kurt.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: If you're doing the single game out there, just don't
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: drink too much.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That's a long roll down that hill at Alpine. That's true.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: A lot of acts on that show, too. Three openers,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: how much time do they get? 40 minutes, 30, 40
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: minutes each. And everybody you mentioned there, I mean, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: hadn't looked at that lineup for a while. Ray Lynn
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: had some hits. Drew Baldrige has two number one songs, right? Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it's been a long show. I mean, what does Luke say?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I don't want this night to end.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It won't. Hey, nice job. The word on the street.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: They're right in front of me. I'm kind of cheating.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: All the songs are right in front of me here.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And I thought that I lose track of everything, but
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I thought that the show was like this Saturday.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It's a week from Saturday. So that'll be after the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Packers home opener.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: There will be, you can be hung over and not
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: have to worry about gearing up for a Packers game
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the next time. Yep, and you'll be celebrating the Badgers'
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: first Big Ten win.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: There might be some Packers players at that show.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: They might go see them. Very well could be.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, the Badgers are already into the Big Ten by
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: that weekend.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That'll be Penn State day. Penn State. Wow.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: That's where we get to welcome in that old cyclone
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: to the Big Ten. Let them know what kind of
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: football we're playing now. This ain't no Big 12 party
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that you think you're.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Showing up to.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: That coach and that entire cyclone roster now playing for
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Penn State.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: All right, so in the wake of the Packers' loss, Dolph,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we're kicking around hypotheticals. And the question is, would the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Packers have won that game if Micah Parsons and Josh
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Jacobs had played? And then the other question is, would
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the Packers have won that game had they not had
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the good or bad fortune of knocking Kyler Murray out
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in the first half?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: The second series of this season for the Vikings. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: don't know if that would have made... I think if
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: you had Micah Parsons and Josh Jacobs, that probably would
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: have made a difference. But I don't know about Kyler Murray.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, hey, Carson Wentz, I found out two things
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: about him. He's still in the NFL. He's still getting
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: a check. He throws a pretty damn good ball. I mean,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson's just a freak, though. When you've got weapons
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: like him and a healthy T.J. Hawkinson, the Vikings are
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: going to beat some people this year. But that momentum
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: swing after the... after the field goal reversal and going
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: for a fourth down. It was like the Vikings were
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: bringing eight or nine guys on every damn play.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Didn't it? It just seemed that way anyway. It was overwhelming.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: It was, it was, it was, it was the point
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: where you're like, oh my God, you can feel it deepens.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine what it felt like to be a
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Packer game because Because it was every single play they
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: were bringing it under siege.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: It was like when you're playing video games and the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: one guy, all he knows how to do is pick
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the all-out blitz.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And you just got to figure out some way to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: be able to get the ball out in. 6 seconds. Wentz,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you know, they said it yesterday and you kind of
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: forget about it. He's made some NFL history last year.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: He's the first player to start for six different teams
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: across six different seasons.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And you kind of forget that at one point he
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: was a front runner to win the MVP. And as
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a 608 texter hit us up on here, he has
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: seen a team win a Super Bowl that he was on, right?
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, like he was the backup ultimately after the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: injury with Foles.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: He's seen so much. I didn't realize it's been in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the league 11 years.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Him and Goff come in in that one-two punch where
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: they both get traded up for in the draft. Right. And,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: you know, Jared Goff, people don't really look at as
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: an older, elder statesman in the NFL. He's double digit
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: years in. And when, if he makes it for a year,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I was saying that yesterday to Drew off the air,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: it's hard for me to wonder how on earth they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: going back to Murray after he goes up for three
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: TDs and.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's Justin Jefferson, twice scores yesterday. Yeah, he played well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and he's played well in this league. I mean, you're right, Billy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: That year, before he got hurt, he had 33 touchdowns
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and 13 games or something like that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: He was on his way to win an MVP, probably.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: He's had good years in this league, and he's performed
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: as recently as last year or so. That was kind
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of the back of my mind when he came in,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and unfortunately, he got the right opportunities. in the right
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: situations and won that game of the fourth.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, when you think about him, is there anyone
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: else that comes to mind as an FCF quarterback that
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: got drafted that high? Because usually they're saying, well, the
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: level of competition is not the same, but he did it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody, I know Flacco came from
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: an FCS school.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Well, and you know, Dolph, he probably was why Trey
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Lance got taken as high as he did.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You're right. Right?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, North Dakota State guy, they looked at him
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and said, okay, if Carson was able to do it,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: he should. Only difference was Wentz played like 40 games.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: college i think lance played like 10 so he like
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: mcafee is getting uh everybody to think that punters are
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the most personality uh driven players on the team and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: probably gonna get a lot of punters on microphone time
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: he got a lot of fcs quarterbacks a little bit
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of better of a look to thought that's how this
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: guy can translate a little bit you mentioned wentz and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you mentioned lance obviously and as steve mcnair was number
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: three overall in 95 oh that's a good one corn
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: state Phil Simms went to Moorhead State, seven overall in 79.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. And then Flacco, you mentioned as well. So those guys.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kurt Warner was an FCS quarterback, but he
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: didn't get drafted. All right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite story from... Week one, Billy and Scott,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite? Well, Scott's is probably the Bears' victory.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's... It definitely is.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Just the fun I have watching Caleb Williams. Think about it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: as Bears fans, what we have suffered and struggled through
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: at the quarterback position.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Since, I don't know, Jim McMahon, I guess they had...
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Cade McDowell. Yeah. Cade McDowell, what a freaking nightmare. Justin Fields.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yikes right exactly so yeah i mean to watch caleb
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: williams play is a delight uh the sad the tough
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: one for me was uh or actually i shouldn't say
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this was tough this one was pretty enjoyable to witness
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: uh nine and a half point underdogs outright victors michael
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: floor gets a victory.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: In his first yeah that's a good story.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe not the story to ask coach about in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: postgame presser after his team blows a double digit lead
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: in the second half like they did yesterday.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: But he asked him that yeah brother Yeah. Some young
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: lady asked him how he felt about it. He goes,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that's awesome.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: She said, I don't know if you've seen this or not, coach,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but your brother got a win today. He's like, oh,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. That's great.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's great. That's great, yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: But hey, they win by two scores, and Madison Beer
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: was the only Herbert that anybody was interested in watching
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: after the game.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Supposed to be the best quarterback of all time.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Supposed to be. He's supposed to win MVP. Supposed to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: win the MVP like the last four years.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Which unit has the better chance of a renaissance? The
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Packers offensive line or the Cowboys defense?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: That's such a hard question.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Packers offensive line. Yeah! Really?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Do you believe that? I hope you're right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Gwynn Williams, Rashawn Gary is supposed to be like a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: new revamped Cowboys defense.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And they were historically atrocious, weren't they? I know that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: was like, you know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got run over pretty good in that starter
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: there too.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Still in the inside of that. Option three. I don't
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: know what option three is. Yeah, what's option three? In
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: that situation, unfortunately.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were in the midst of, for much of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that game, we were in the midst of Packers OT,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but the Cowboys not draping themselves in glory. And I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was just telling Billy, I told Billy again, off the air,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: some of our best conversations are off the air. We
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: got to change that. I was going to say, we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: should make a podcast. But how bad is it going
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to be? And Dolph, you and I are both old guys.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: When's the last time the Knicks and Giants were.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Good at the same time? Oh, it's going to be insufferable,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: without a doubt.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Already, it's the churn of Jax and Dart and Scadabo
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and these guys.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It's the perfect storm. He had the fire department hat
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: on yesterday. He was dialed in.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: If you hate New York and you hate the New
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: York-centric media.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be a good fall for you.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, New York has always been, maybe it's
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: changed because the Jets have now been around for 60
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: or whatever years, but that's a Giants town.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It's a Yankees town. It's a Knicks town. And the Rangers.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So when the Giants win, they just lose their mind. Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And then you get the Knicks, my God, for the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: first time in 50 some years. You guys can correct
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: It's mostly Giants fans are all yankees fans like the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the few jets fans are kind of mets fans is
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: that i.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Have asked that i asked our pal mike vasallo that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: because mike vasallo uh worked for the yankees from new
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: york uh the brewers media relations director friend and he's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: one of the poor soul jet fans he is a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: jets fan and he said there is some crossover but
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: generally speaking Your Knicks, Giants, Jets, Mets.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It's old school versus.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: New school, relatively speaking, because the Giants and the Yankees
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: have been around for a thousand years. Jets and Mets
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: played at Shea Stadium. At the same time for the
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: longest time.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: That was a big time.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: The Mets basically absorbed all the people who were Brooklyn
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Dodgers and New York Giants fans.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: When they went west. When they went west. So that's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: where the lineage came and that's where their fan base
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: comes from. It's a burrow thing. Queenstatton Island and then
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Long Island is Mets, I feel like. Yeah, good point.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: That's out there on the island. And the Islanders, is
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: it like Rangers, Yankees, Giants? Does hockey involve itself.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: At all in that as well?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess Islanders would probably be more Mets fans.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Also Mets and Jets. They're in the swamps of Long Island.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I guess you get the Devils too. Yeah, right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Yankees are closer to Jersey.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: That's right across the George Washington Bridge.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I feel like people in Jersey associate themselves with the Jets.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: So I just don't know. No, no.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: No? Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's familial in a lot of ways.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Jets fans will complain that the Giants are all old money.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Not only their owners, but their fans.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious because they're literally in the same stadium. I know.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's so true. I know. It's hilarious. It's crazy.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: The joke was the last time the Knicks and the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Giants were good at the same time, Wellington Morrow was
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in prep school.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That's how long it's been.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: And nobody was doing these celebrations after touchdowns when Wellington
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: was watching.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It's that YA tittle. Yeah, YA tittle.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you for popping in. Enjoy your view from the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: top of the standings. Hopefully that'll change soon.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 1-0.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Flash of 85 Bears, Armin. Are you ready for the ride?
• 31:29
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• 31:30
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• 31:32
  Speaker 1: When do they go to the studio to record the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: next Super Bowl shuffle remix?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I still believe they're going to. I hope they collapse
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and this is just a memory. It'd be hilarious.
• 31:41
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• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Where are we on J.J. Watt's performance as the analyst?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Is sitting in for Romo with the first team?
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, this is Steve said, hey,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: kicking the balls to J.J.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Watt. I can't believe I'm saying I want Tony Romo.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't go that far. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't. Now,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I do know, I have heard from since the transition-
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Is that a nice way of saying it? To JJ
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Watt in the number one chair. I've heard from more
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: people saying, you know, I kind of like, I like Romo.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: At least he didn't take it too seriously. And I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: think that's a, that is a beautiful blend in the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: difference of us in the media who do want and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: hear it a certain way. There's certain people that just
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: are enjoying listening to the game. Like, oh, Tony Romo
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: sounds like he's hanging out watching the game with me
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: where it's like, I'm not trying to sound too cool.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Not that JJ was doing that yesterday, but I didn't
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: necessarily take anything massively away from it. I thought it
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: was okay. I have to, yeah, I just didn't think,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: he didn't do anything good or bad. Yeah. Kind of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: down the middle. It was solid. It was down the middle.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean. Which a drive into the fairway is not
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: a bad first shot.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: True.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Right? Not a bad first shot.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Part of that, part of my view is that it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: skewed because I am not and have never really been
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a fan of Jim Nance on football.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Well, I'm glad that makes two of us. Because
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: golf and Hello Friends, okay. Beautiful, yes. The old NCAA tournament, okay.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Although I thought some of his walk-offs as the confetti's exploding,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: some of that stuff sounded rehearsed when he did the calls.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: But in football, he just doesn't move. He's like of
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the top guys. And he's a legend. And he's a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and all that. But of the top
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: guys doing games, he's my least favorite.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just not my flavor, right? I am much
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: more of a Joe Buck guy, and I know there's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that can't stand Joe. I love
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: me some Joe Buck.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Right? But I'm with you on that one. I love
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: me some Tariqo. I love Joe Buck.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: And I had not been as much of a Tirico
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: fan as I am now. The more you hear him,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the better and better he gets, it seems like. And
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: so I think the broadcasting thing is so interesting, though,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: because there's.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Two schools of thinking.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Do the normal fans and fans just listening for enjoyment?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Casual fans enjoy it?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Or do the people that are hard-o trying to make
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: sure that you say one thing that I didn't know
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: about my favorite team that I study every single day,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: that I pride myself on knowing every single thing about?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: if you're looking for something to be angry about you
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: probably did otherwise i'm with you i thought.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: It was kind of there yeah jj was he was
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: fine but he didn't say anything that struck me as
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: like memorable or insightful it was just he was just
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: he was there he was good but not great like
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: just You go.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: To a restaurant, sometimes you have a meal. Like, yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that was good.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: It was okay. It was a meal.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yes. It changed my life. I got the sustenance I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: needed and I'm moving on.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people that say the same
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: thing about, you know, a Brady broadcast. I doesn't necessarily
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: say anything memorable. I think Brady's good. I think he's
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: getting better. I think he's definitely getting better. And I
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: think JJ will get better in that if he's able
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: to work with dance every day.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: When he lets his personality go, I think he's probably better.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Buttoned up and felt like, you know, the tie knot
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: was a little tighter because he's with Jim Nance.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. Loosen that tie up. Jim's going to.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: He's going to give it to somebody after. Exactly.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Make it about himself. Speaking of legendary broadcasters, Voice of
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the Packers, Wayne Larrabee is going to join us in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the next hour. Don't go anywhere. Where else is there
• 36:25
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• 36:25
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