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Restraining Orders, Hearings, and Custody Battles: The Legal Explanation Behind Taylor Frankie Paul · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. It's been here
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  Speaker 2: and we are welcoming back our incredible legal expert, Alison
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  Speaker 2: Treesel to help us make sense of all the things
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, now that you mentioned it, I did tell
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  Speaker 2: Right, let's dive into it. We've talked a couple of
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  Speaker 2: times before. I always appreciate your insight and your help
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  Speaker 2: on the matter. A few things have happened in the
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul case with you know, her ex husband
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  Speaker 2: Tate and then her ex Dakota. I want to start, though,
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to do this chronologically if we can. Taylor
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  Speaker 2: a month or so ago announced that she was going
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  Speaker 2: to be entering rehab facility while she was transitioning onto
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  Speaker 2: a new medication. So I when I saw this, we've
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  Speaker 2: only here said, Hey, no matter what the truth and
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  Speaker 2: what's happening in the Taylor Frankie Paul case, we want
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  Speaker 2: her to get help, whatever that looks like. We want
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  Speaker 2: her to feel supported, and we also want anybody involved
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  Speaker 2: that's going through a rough patch in life to feel supportive.
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  Speaker 2: Did she need to let the public know that she
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  Speaker 2: was entering into rehab as she transitioned onto this new medication?
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  Speaker 2: And my fallow up to that would be does that
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  Speaker 2: hurt her case? At all?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? So no, she did not need to let anybody know.
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  Speaker 3: I am a huge champion of people recognizing they need
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  Speaker 3: help and seeking it out, and I think that it's great,
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  Speaker 3: and I do not think that it should be used
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  Speaker 3: against you in any way in court and in life.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you are making an earnest effort to
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  Speaker 3: get better, to deal with whatever demons you have, whatever
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  Speaker 3: addiction issues you have, you know, depression, stress, anxiety, and
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  Speaker 3: you are seeking it out all the better and it
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be used against you. Has it been well? Interestingly,
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  Speaker 3: her ex taate tried to use it and he was
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  Speaker 3: struck down by the court. So he asked for a
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  Speaker 3: restraining order protective order, and it was basically summarily dismissed
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  Speaker 3: within a day of him asking for it. Okay, So
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  Speaker 3: so that that's that's an interesting issue. However, the real problem,
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  Speaker 3: and when we first started talking about this case, I
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  Speaker 3: talked about all these open matters. I talked about all
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  Speaker 3: these things that were going on with her. There where
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  Speaker 3: the criminal case. There was a criminal case that she's
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  Speaker 3: on probation for. There were the protective orders, there was
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  Speaker 3: the child custody orders, the dcfs, and now let's add
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  Speaker 3: the stocking. Okay, let's add the stocking, which we'll get to.
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  Speaker 3: But the criminal case is interesting and we can easily
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  Speaker 3: quickly sort of discuss it that, yes, she's on probation
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  Speaker 3: and yes, the police were investigating everything that happened in February,
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  Speaker 3: but the prosecutor's office has very clearly come out and said,
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  Speaker 3: we are not going to charge her with any new offenses,
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  Speaker 3: nor are we going to violate her probation for it. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So they have made it clear. And Ben, I think
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  Speaker 3: I talked to you and Ashley about this. My concerns
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  Speaker 3: for that case were, look, a probation violation, the standard
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  Speaker 3: of proof is much much lower if you're on felony
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  Speaker 3: probation and you have any new incidents of law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: that could be grounds for violating it. Plus any type
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  Speaker 3: of drinking or substance abuse when you're strictly prohibited from
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  Speaker 3: using any substances could be grounds. So I was just
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  Speaker 3: thinking about her taping of her taping of The Bachelorette,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, if there's drinking on the show, that
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  Speaker 3: could have been grounds. They decided not to violate her.
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  Speaker 3: So those seemed to be at bay. They seem to
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  Speaker 3: be at rest, hopefully permanently. Her felony probation ends and
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  Speaker 3: expires at the end of August, and I really do
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  Speaker 3: hope that she successfully completes that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that we did Alison get to see the
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  Speaker 2: first episode back when they thought it was going to
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  Speaker 2: air and we were lucky enough to get our hands
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  Speaker 2: on it. They did make it clear during that first
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  Speaker 2: episode that she would not be drinking.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, good.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that okay throughout the season, So that
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  Speaker 2: was a point I think that the show made sure
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  Speaker 2: to highlight. You brought up d c f SE department.
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  Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I'm assuming Department of Child and
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  Speaker 2: Family Service.
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  Speaker 3: Department of Child and Family Services, and that's actually the
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  Speaker 3: big one that's going on right now. So if that's
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  Speaker 3: the one that you want to jump into, because that's really,
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  Speaker 3: in my mind, Taylor's biggest problem right now, and I
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  Speaker 3: consider it to be a I consider it to be
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  Speaker 3: the most serious and the one you know when we
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  Speaker 3: were initially taught. Because this involves the children, the minor children,
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  Speaker 3: it's kept pretty secretive and it's kept out of public
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  Speaker 3: court documents. But we've learned a lot since we started
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  Speaker 3: talking about this case, and what I've seen does not
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  Speaker 3: look good for her. And it is concerning to me
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  Speaker 3: because the Utah Attorney General's Office filed a petition on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of the Utah Division of Children and Family Services
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  Speaker 3: on July thirteenth to have a court determine if Frankie
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  Speaker 3: Paul's three children are abused, neglected, or dependent and order
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  Speaker 3: protective supervision. This is serious, This is not going This
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  Speaker 3: is not going well for her. I did love by
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  Speaker 3: the way her attorney's response. I'll get into that at
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  Speaker 3: the end, because I think that her attorney is handling
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  Speaker 3: this appropriately.
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  Speaker 2: But a parent, let me let me pause you there
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  Speaker 2: for a second to get some crity on some words
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  Speaker 2: that I think you and your students probably here and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, of course, you know what that means.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. One thing that happened during this
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  Speaker 2: was this report has been leaked, and so if we're talking,
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  Speaker 2: it was obtained by TMZ and I'll let you get
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  Speaker 2: into what the findings were. But when it we use
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  Speaker 2: the word dependent, I assume all children are dependents, and
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  Speaker 2: so can you elaborate on that a little bit? Yep?
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  Speaker 3: So instead of being dependent on the parents, right, instead
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  Speaker 3: of being dependent like meaning that that the Department of
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  Speaker 3: Children and Family Services have to step in and take over.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: Dependent on their services.
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  Speaker 2: M okay, that's fair. That helps. So all right, so
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  Speaker 2: if you want to dive in, as you mentioned, DCFS
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  Speaker 2: did go in and reviewed the situation. I'm assuming what
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  Speaker 2: that looks like is they go into the home. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they speak with the children, they speak with the people associated,
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  Speaker 2: they come up with their own reports. I also think
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  Speaker 2: that Dakota also had an investigation. Is that the right
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  Speaker 2: word to use here?
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  Speaker 3: That's fair? Yep, that's that's fair. Interview, investigation, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Interviews probably more like it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, an interview. But let's start with what they found
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  Speaker 2: with Taylor Frankie Paul when they did the interviews.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to tell you, yeah, and I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to walk through the things that I, as an attorney
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  Speaker 3: would find troubling and.
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  Speaker 2: That is this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So they go into the home and they say,
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  Speaker 3: these are the things that are troubling to caseworkers, the
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  Speaker 3: statements that she made, her commitment or lack of commitment
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  Speaker 3: to therapy, and parenting issues involving her child. So they
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  Speaker 3: talk about how Taylor's sister, Aspen who's also who's also
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  Speaker 3: Ever's caretaker nanny, that the son Ever was finding or
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  Speaker 3: seeking comfort more from the chip from the the nanny
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  Speaker 3: than from Taylor. Not the greatest problem. That's not the
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  Speaker 3: biggest problem, but one of the things that they mentioned
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  Speaker 3: then they said that Taylor, upon being questioned about her
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  Speaker 3: commitment to therapy, that she became escalated and disregulated, and
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  Speaker 3: that she actually walked out at one point and the
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  Speaker 3: DCFS were or had to let themselves out of her home.
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  Speaker 3: That is not good. That the that Taylor's therapist told
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  Speaker 3: d c FS that she had not begun meaningful treatment,
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  Speaker 3: she did not seem invested in the program, and seemed
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  Speaker 3: to be attending therapy because she was forced to do so.
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  Speaker 3: Those are not things that you ever as an attorney,
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  Speaker 3: want to get a copy of a report. And this
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  Speaker 3: is what the DCFS reporter is is writing in something
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  Speaker 3: they give to the court, and that her own therapist
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  Speaker 3: is reporting that is not good. There's a few more
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  Speaker 3: things that I that I want to just bring up.
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  Speaker 3: She then when speaking to Taylor, she then said that
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  Speaker 3: she was treated being treated fairly because of her status.
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  Speaker 3: And again, and we talked about this a lot, courts
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  Speaker 3: don't care that you are a reality TV star. They
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  Speaker 3: don't care that you view yourself as a celebrity, and
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  Speaker 3: especially at court, that's only interested in the well being
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  Speaker 3: of these children, right, They felt that she was that
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  Speaker 3: she was deflecting, that she was blaming other people that
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  Speaker 3: during the interview when the reason that she stormed out
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  Speaker 3: is that she was looking at messages on social media
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  Speaker 3: and she didn't like what they were saying, and that's
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  Speaker 3: why she stormed out of the interview. And then as
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  Speaker 3: she's being interviewed, she became agitated. And one of her children, Ocean,
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  Speaker 3: was in an the room coloring and he heard his
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  Speaker 3: mother crying and told her take deep breaths. Now, Ocean,
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  Speaker 3: I believe, is five five years old, and so that
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  Speaker 3: is troubling. That is troubling, and for a five year old,
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  Speaker 3: the reports are telling his mother take deep breaths, everything
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  Speaker 3: is going to be okay. So so i'm i'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: sharing all of this with you because of all the
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  Speaker 3: things that are going on legally, right, So, the protective orders,
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  Speaker 3: the child custody. We know that the protective orders. Both
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  Speaker 3: both Dakota and Taylor now have mutual stay away orders
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  Speaker 3: for the next three years. This to me appears to
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  Speaker 3: be the most serious because when and DCFS gets involved
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  Speaker 3: and if they find that these children are being abused
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  Speaker 3: or neglected or dependent by the way. One other thing
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  Speaker 3: that I want to add is that apparently in this
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  Speaker 3: report that there's a claim that Taylor has one of
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  Speaker 3: her children, her daughter changed the diapers of the youngest.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the end of the world. Do other do
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  Speaker 3: children like to get involved? Do older siblings like to
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  Speaker 3: get involved in caring for their children for their younger siblings? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: But this is the totality of things. So it's it's
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  Speaker 3: alleged that Indy changes ever's diapers, prepares his bottle, and
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  Speaker 3: often hears Taylor in Dakota fighting, which makes her sad.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe that Indy, and this is I think
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  Speaker 3: eight eight.
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  Speaker 2: Eight years old. Yeah, Allison, is it normal for us
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  Speaker 2: to have these reports go public? It's not, It's not.
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  Speaker 2: That's I mean the obviously you said at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: there's children involved in this. My assumption, without any knowledge
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  Speaker 2: would be that a lot of the stuff that's being
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  Speaker 2: done in the interviews would be kept private because the
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  Speaker 2: children getting involved. So how did this good public? And
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  Speaker 2: then also, as I mentioned, my assumption would be that
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  Speaker 2: Dakota also had something similar happen.
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  Speaker 3: Right but here now, I love that you've said that because, uh,
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  Speaker 3: there is an article from people that that claims to
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  Speaker 3: source it to someone in Paul's camp, and they say
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  Speaker 3: that that me. This was their response to the leaked
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  Speaker 3: the leaked petition, okay, or the leaked investigation. And what
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  Speaker 3: they said was juvenile court is private to protect the
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  Speaker 3: children's privacy and the other side. So they're saying that
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  Speaker 3: Dakota's camp, I'm leaking this information does the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 3: It speaks to the motivations here. Someone is clearly acting
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  Speaker 3: in their own interests, not the children's. This report also
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  Speaker 3: leaves out DCFS documented concerns about the other side, which
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  Speaker 3: are on record in district court and with law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: The juvenile court will weigh all of that in full.
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  Speaker 3: So what they're saying is the only thing that was
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  Speaker 3: leaked was what the investigation and what the home visit
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  Speaker 3: was for Taylor, but what happened at Dakota's home was not.
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  Speaker 3: And if you remember I said to you earlier, I
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  Speaker 3: was very in with Taylor's counsel because I thought that
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  Speaker 3: they did a very good job. As I told you,
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  Speaker 3: I thought that they outlawyered the other side at the
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  Speaker 3: protective Order hearings. And I still believe that. But their
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  Speaker 3: response to this, to this investigation being leaked, was not
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  Speaker 3: only that statement, but it's also this one. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you what I really liked about it,
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  Speaker 3: because they said Taylor is not deterred by this transition.
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  Speaker 3: She welcomes the added structure and oversight it provides and
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  Speaker 3: looks forward to continuing her progress toward normalizing custody and
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  Speaker 3: becoming the healthiest version of herself. Taylor remains fully committed
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  Speaker 3: to doing whatever is necessary to reach that goal and
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  Speaker 3: will not be strayed from it. Taylor appreciates the professionalism
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  Speaker 3: of dc FS and its representative. Now, the reason to me,
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  Speaker 3: Ben that is so crucial is you can't make these
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  Speaker 3: people your enemy. These people are they carry a lot
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  Speaker 3: of weight in a dependency court, and if you attack them,
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to go well for you. So I
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  Speaker 3: very much like how they have dealt with this leaked information,
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  Speaker 3: and I would use it to my advantage just as
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  Speaker 3: they have. And this is wrong. This is wrong that
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  Speaker 3: this was leaked to the public. It's not It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: normally happen this way, and they may get punished by
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  Speaker 3: the way if they can prove that it came from
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  Speaker 3: them if the court inquires, and they can show that
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  Speaker 3: they leaked it, you know, And I'll tell you Dakota's
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  Speaker 3: friend Crewe is doing him no favors.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sure, and I think that's a subject I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to jump into next. But I don't want to make
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  Speaker 2: an any false allegations here, but just for my sake
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  Speaker 2: and our listener's sake, who would have had access to
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  Speaker 2: this report once it was finished?
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  Speaker 3: Not many people, not many people. And look there do
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  Speaker 3: we know? Do we know who leaked it? We don't.
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  Speaker 3: What we shared is the exact quote that was given
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  Speaker 3: to people by Taylor's representatives, right, And I do believe
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  Speaker 3: that this is not the first time that they've They've said, Look,
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  Speaker 3: the video was leaked by him, this report was leaked
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  Speaker 3: by him. And I think that it is something that
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  Speaker 3: the court is certainly going to investigate because once you
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  Speaker 3: are once you are leaking what the court views as
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  Speaker 3: privileged court documents, you're getting into a territory where you
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  Speaker 3: are involving the court, and you may be committing some
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  Speaker 3: type of malfeasance. So I think the court is very
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  Speaker 3: much going to inquire how this document became public.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so I think, to simplify the terms, very dumb.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever did to leak this? Can we just say it all?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know it may it may have
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  Speaker 3: been very calculated, but you know, you, you know, are
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  Speaker 3: you're maybe you're trying to win the bat the battle
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  Speaker 3: of public you know, in the court of public opinion,
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  Speaker 3: but you're losing it in the actual case where it matters,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the actual court, because this is not
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  Speaker 3: something that the judge is going to look upon favorably.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, for sure you brought up Crewe. Krewe is Dakota's roommate,
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  Speaker 2: whose name has been tossed around in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: articles based on you know, his involvement this situation, if
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  Speaker 2: he is the leaker, if he's not the leaker, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his protection of Dakota. But recently, Taylor was granted a
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  Speaker 2: restraining order against Crewe, and I would love for you
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  Speaker 2: to speak to that. I would also love to understand
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  Speaker 2: how does that work, because if Crew and Dakota live
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  Speaker 2: together and the kids are going over to Dakota's home
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  Speaker 2: and Crew and Crew is there, how does that does
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  Speaker 2: that play into it at all? I'm sure restraining order
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  Speaker 2: is granted. Like, can the kids still be around him? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So so would it would not? Okay, So let let
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  Speaker 3: me let me talk about what happens here. Okay. Crew
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  Speaker 3: had released something publicly about Dakota, and the judge granted
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  Speaker 3: a stalking injunction. Okay, a stalking injunction against Crew, and
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  Speaker 3: he is prohibited from contacting Paul in any manner, directly
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  Speaker 3: or indirectly, including on social media, messaging, tagging her, or
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  Speaker 3: contact through any third parties. He is also prohibited from posting, publishing,
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  Speaker 3: or disseminating any statements, content, or comments, including content intended
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to harass, intimidate, threaten, or damage Paul on Reddit, TikTok
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: any other website form or social media platform. So the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: judge shut him down. Judge shut him down. And if
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you violate that, it's a criminal offense.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So he not only has to tread lightly, he is
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: it is a stalking injunction that prohibits him from bringing
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: her up publicly in any form, in any way, reaching
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: out to her, talking about her, and it can turn
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: criminal very quickly.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Would that include the leaking of documents of course?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Of course? Yeah, I mean that would be one of
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: the cardinal ones.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, so it's gonna get I mean,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: so CRU's involved himself now, like no matter what we
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: want to say, who's right or wrong, He's involved himself
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and he is involved in this whole scenario.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So you know, I did not know Crewe. I did
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: not know about Crewe, but you all did. And he's
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: always been involved, am I right?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: So this is Lily goes to ut.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Let's go Lily. So was Crewe? When you say involved,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: was was he involved in like the Secret Lives of
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Mormon Wives show or has he just been like a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: background piece that when you say, what do you mean
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: when you say involvement, Lily, No, I don't.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Believe he was on the show as not in a
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: prominent role or anything. I think just like on TikTok
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: in his life, and I think a couple of weeks
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: ago it was alleged that he released a video of
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Taylor and Dakota fighting, which was very against what the
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: court wanted, which like sparked all of this.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So he's just been involved. And so through the background
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of everything he has been around, he's been rumored to be,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, the one advocating on Dakota's behalf and leaking
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: videos and speaking negatively about Paul. So when she requested
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that he stays out of her life and the situation,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: she was granted this for right now? Am I right?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah? But let me also let me kind of full
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: circle this.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Remember, there is a protective order for three years in place,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: both for Dakota to Taylor, Taylor to Dakota, and included
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: in that is a provision that you cannot contact this
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: person or discuss this person through a third party. So
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: they both can be in a lot of hot water
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: on two fronts now, because Crewe, if Crewe now has
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a stalking injunction and Dakota has a protective order in place,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and if they are seen to be in somehow cahoots
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: in getting these videos leaked or posting things like this,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: they're both going to be in criminal hot water.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: How does social media play into this? Because the one
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: thing that has been interesting, and obviously this has been
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: an ongoing situation since February we're five months in, has
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: been you know, I don't really follow Dakota. I don't
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: know much about Dakota.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Money of them follow Dakota, not literally follow, but I've
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: seen this stuff.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yea, all right, So this is Danielle from Vanderbilt.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Great School where my brother in law goes to school.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So is Dakota very active on social media with his
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: friend crew? And do they talk about Taylor if you know?
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know about Crewe if he's all on there
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: with him. But they're all very active on the internet,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: which I think is something that can put everyone in
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: the situation in hot water because they post so much,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: well they used to at least post so much about
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: each other. Their lives are so intertwined that I think
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: if there's even like something that they mistakenly say, it
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: could get them in hot water. And time and time again,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: we've seen Taylor Dakota's relationship be like, oh, we're breaking up,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: We're never gonna speak to each other again, and they
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: get back together time and time again, and they're always
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: saying we won't be near each other. But with this
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: three year protective order, and it's really hard to understand
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: how that dynamics.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Really gonna work.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: And also I just think because of being reality TV stars,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: they want to keep themselves relevant as well to people
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: coming to them, so they could potentially say something that
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: could not favor them at the court.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, on that note, Ben, one of the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: things that Taylor in this report, this leaked report, apparently
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: said to them when they were talking about her lack
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: of commitment to treatment and therapy and getting well, she
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: said something like, I don't I don't have time to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: attend therapy because I'm very busy with work. That is
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: not something judge is gonna want to hear.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the hey, everybody's busy. That's not a unique
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: problem and not really a sympathetic excuse that, hey, I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: just so busy busy doesn't really work and it doesn't
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: really explain when you're having issues.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: A judge doesn't care.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Sure, a judge's pretty busy also, And the same with
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the you know, anybody that works in the court. So
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's sympathetic. They'll be sympathetic to that excuse.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But they cannot stay off social media, Allison. They just can't.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I mean goodness, we have tried to follow along and Taylor,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Frankie Paul the whole time, as I mentioned, we've just
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: been saying, hey, this doesn't look good. Like if this
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was a friend of mine, I'd be saying, take a break,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: take a step out, like stop the relevancy search that
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is usually the death of a human and their character
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and their personality is the search of relevancy. So if
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you were her legal counsel.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I take away your phone.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah you wouldn't, you would tell her stop. Right.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I just want I want your listeners to have a
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: visual of the actual people that are deciding the care
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and custody of your children that you claim are the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: most important people well in your life, these three children, right,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: how important they are? Right? And all you want to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: do is get better, to be a great mother, to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: take care of them. These people are coming to interview you.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: They come into your home and you not only can't
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: put down your phone, but you're looking at social media
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and you get so agitated by what you see in
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the comment section that you storm out of the meeting
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and the DCFS investigator has to let themselves out of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: your home.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it's in my mind, I'm like, Okay, you
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: could put on your best behavior for two hours, right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you could fake it at least. Yeah, So let's say
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: she was authentic to who she is in her everyday life.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: At the least, do you mean almost to me, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this is getting out of maybe the spectrum which we
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: can be expert ons. But it's like, maybe she doesn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: realize how serious this is, that you know, I would
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: be freaking out if all of these interviews and investigations
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and core orders are coming down on me. And I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: have these kids that I don't want to lose, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: yet I can't let my phone down for two hours
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: as they're at my home. It feels like maybe there
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: isn't the gravity of the situation doesn't seem to be
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: setting in yet. But the DCFS report was a pretty
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: clear sign to maybe Taylor and her team that this
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: is getting serious, that things aren't good right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: And I and by the way, and I'm going to
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: say this again, I don't know this lawyer, but I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: like how they're lawyering for her. I like that they
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: appreciate that they write that Taylor appreciates the professionalism of DCFS,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And if I'm them, I say, now, I need you
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to appreciate the professionalism of DCF. Now I need you
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to understand that this is incredibly serious. And when they
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: come to your house, you're not looking at social media,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: You're not you're you're saying I will and you mean
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: it though, you really mean that you will do whatever
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: in the world is asked of you for the betterment
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: of your children.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Where does this end? As we close up here? This
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: whole thing is as I said, you know, we've talked
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: about this really since February when the show shut down.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: We've had a timeline here we could go through at
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: some point. I think we posted it on our social
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: media for a podcast of all the things that have
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: happened in the last few months. But to me it
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: this has helped, but it still feels chaotic, It still
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: feels messy. I don't know what the endgame is here.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Where does Where are we looking towards now Allison for
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: next steps future, those kind of things.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Right, So, so here's here's sort of what in my
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: mind remains out outstanding.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I think the protective orders are in effect for three years.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Could could as Danielle said, is there a possibility that
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: within those three years one of them can't stay away
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: from the other one or vice or so so could
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that flare up? Absolutely? I think that there will be cut.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: You know, there's temporary custody child custody orders in place.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm sure that Taylor doesn't like an arrangement
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: where she sees her children once once a week and
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: then on alternative weekends. Right as to ever, I'm sure
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: that that's that's something that she wants to change. DCFS.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: We looked, and if your listeners know something more than
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: we do, I gladly will listen to it. But we
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: don't seem to even know the DCFS has asked for
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: an expedited hearing. It doesn't seem to be a date
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: that there hasn't seemed to be a date set for
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: that hearing yet, and perhaps the perhaps her attorneys want
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit more time to get a new report,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: if that's possible change things around a little bit. That's
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: certainly that certainly in the near future, because they ask
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: for an expedited hearing, so I assume that that will
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: be set within the next month at the latest.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Do you is there a chance, I mean, if you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: were to kind of review everything you've reviewed, is there
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: a chance that Taylor loses custody?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think at this stage they're going to strip
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: her of custody. And I'm gonna tell you why courts
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: disfavor terminating parental rights Okay, so I don't believe. You know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: it's usually the worst of the worst where they terminate
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: parental rights. That's not going to be the case here.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: This mom clearly loves her children. She's got to work
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: on her parenting skills. But I don't think she isn't
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: invested in her children. I think that she does. The
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: custody issues will be much more decided in the child
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: custody court. But what kind of intervention is DCFS going
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to require of Taylor? And certainly they're going to require
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: some serious intervention, therapy, parenting, all of those things, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: she'd better be taking it really seriously because she doesn't
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: want them to get to the next step, which if
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: both parents are problematic, they remove them from the home
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and put them in foster care until they get until
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: they get these these classes completed and these remedial steps taken.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: So they may say, well, she's not taking this seriously,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: so we're gonna remove them from her care, put them
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: in the other parents for a period. And if Dakota
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: is also not doing what he's supposed to do, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: again we don't know what his report says, there was
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: something by the way that I think we should mention that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: On July eighth, Commissioner Russell Menis made an unexpected recommendation
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: about the two year old, asking Dakota to not have
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: ever ride on his motorcycle with him. Paul's lawyer claimed
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that Dakota had taken the two year old on highway
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: rides through traffic. Yeah, oh, I see your eyes, Ben,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I mean if people aren't old, I mean on on
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the freeway on his motorcycle two year old.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: So, Dakota's lawyer said, I think that was an e bike. Still,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: come on, I mean, I have a two year old, Like,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: she's not almost two. I guess she's not sitting on
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: my lap.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: It's not happening while like it's a motorized vehicle.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's no way, Like I'm a nervous a bike.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: This isn't a bike where you have like the car
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: seat in the back, you know, like all in nineteen seventies. No,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: this is a motorized vehicle.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have a little red wagon that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: is stuffed with pillows. Because I can't, like, I just can't.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's she's still too goodness gracious, that's wild. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: all right, Well, outside of any personal judgments that I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: have because I'm trying to keep those to a minimum
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: during all this. This whole thing is wild. Final question
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: for you, Allison, do you think they'll air the season
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: of the Bachelorette.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? There's way too much money involved.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Oh goodness.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ben, you know this. I mean you know this. Look.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I can say this much more freely, probably than most. Okay,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: when it comes to successful shows, this is going to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: be a very successful season. Okay, all this hype, pulling it,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: all this drama, that's what TV viewership is about. I predict,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: other than your season, Ben, it's going to be the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: highest rated season.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I appreciate that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I want to ask the interns if I miss something,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: because they put together.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Great hang up job for me.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and thought anybody.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. My two cents is Allison, and I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: can say this. I hope they don't air it because
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: everything we talked about when it comes to social media,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the pressures, the comments, the relevancy factors being talked about
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: just gets heightened when you're on this show. There's none
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of that that would at this point in time. I
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: don't see how it would be helpful for the lead
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: of the show at any level to have this thing air.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I will tell you that if I'm her lawyer, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: do not I am. I am saying we do not
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: want it to air while there's while there's pending matters,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: especially d CFS, right, because there's you know, anything that
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: that she did is going to be used. My question,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: my last question to you, Ben is I've had the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: pleasure of being on your show handful of times. Now,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: how are you so normal?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: That's really sweet? You want my honest answer?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean, because you really are not only
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: bright and engaging, you're really down to earth in such
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a decent guy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: You know. I have really good friends that never thought
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I was that cool. In fact, I tell the story
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: of when I left to be the Bachelor, they say, cool,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be go. You're gonna go and be king
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of the nerds. So that was one thing they never
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: thought I was that tight. I have a great family,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and my faith is very important to me, and so
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I just have like a deep seated belief I guess
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that I should never find myself to be that cool,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and that I have to understand my place in the world.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And I think that's helped.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: So I think that my advice for the reality stars
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that I represent and the celebrities and whatever that I
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: handle is be more like Ben.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it is a fun life. I still really
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: enjoy it, and I get to talk to people like
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you and the great students behind you. I get like
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the best of all worlds.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Wait, I'm gonna let them, if you would indulge, let
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: me let them introduce themselves. Please, they they work so
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: hard this summer.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I'm gonna get out of the way. I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: gonna ask you one question if you guys can and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you have like twenty seconds, your name, where you're graduating from,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and then what is like your dream for your next step,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and then we'll get out of here.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Hello. My name is Bern.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be a senior at San Diego State University,
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: and I guess my dream for the next step is
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: to figure out I guess and hone in on what
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: law I want to do and then go to law
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: school and finish that awesome.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Danielle. I'm going into my senior year at Vanderbilt,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: and I think my next step is definitely enjoying my
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: senior year, but then getting ready for the ELSAT.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I'm Willie.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I go to UT Austin. I'm going to be a sophomore,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: so definitely finishing up the rest of college and then
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: figure out what I want to do. And I definitely
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: need to see Taylor's He's another bachelor.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: In the future.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I like that. Take. My name is Brady.
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: I'm a sophomore at UFC Chapel Hill, and for me,
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: I just I just want to get through the rest
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: of undergrad pretty smooth, looking forward to seeing what the
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: year has for me and what law school has for
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: me right after.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I'm Jesse.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I just graduated from CU Boulder.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I'm currently studying for the ALSAT and kind of hoding
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: in on exactly what type of law I want to
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: do and excited to pursue whatever.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Whatever that is.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I live. I live in Golden, Colorado, so we're not
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: far from you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Golden's great.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: My name's Brandon.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: I'm going to be a freshman at NYU, and I
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: think my next step is figuring out how to live
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: on my own honor.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: And by the way, he was our youngest and we
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: usually take only college students and he has crushed it
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: this summer, so you know, it's it's great when someone
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: is that driven even before they get to college.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Well, you're learning the best, you are the future. Thanks
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to all of you for putting this together. Alison, thanks
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: for your time. Again. I always learned so much and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it helps take away I think talking to you helps
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: take away my judgment of the situation, my personal judgment
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  Speaker 2: and more engages the reality of the situation and how
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  Speaker 2: this will play out. So I always appreciate it because
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  Speaker 2: it helps like bring me down from just like being like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you have a two year old on a
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  Speaker 2: knee bike? Which I'm still like, how do you have
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a two year old on knee bike? To now just
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  Speaker 2: be like, Okay, here's where we're going.
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  Speaker 3: So I appreciate you, and I mean, look, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as I said, anyone's efforts to get better,
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  Speaker 3: anyone's efforts to get help when she went to rehab,
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  Speaker 3: good for her. You know, whatever she's doing, good for her.
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  Speaker 3: This is not about judgment. This is about the fact
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  Speaker 3: circumstances and the law. And this is the interview that
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  Speaker 3: allegedly she gave. And I just you and I just
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  Speaker 3: pointed out what is wrong with that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it's very helpful for myself and
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: everybody listening. Hey, this has been the Almost Famous podcast.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: We've had an incredible episode today breaking down all the
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: recent developments and the Taylor Frankie Paul case. Until next time,
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  Speaker 2: I've been Ben, We'll talk to you soon.
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