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The World of Faith, Family and Freedom · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps kevin.
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  Speaker 4: It's Kevin McCullough, Monday through Friday, on That Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 4: And now, from the Connors & Sullivan Broadcast Studios, the
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. It's That Kevin Show. It is
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  Speaker 2: the Thursday edition and we still have a lot to
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  Speaker 2: get to on today's broadcast. I hope you'll stick around.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to obviously discuss how do we live as
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  Speaker 2: we do every day coming up, but we've also got
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  Speaker 2: some insights on some things related to the elections that
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  Speaker 2: are just in front of us and some other issues
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure that we cover today as well.
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  Speaker 6: All of it.
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  Speaker 2: Important and all of it will be documented at thatkevinshow.com
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  Speaker 2: if you need to go back and Look at any
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  Speaker 2: part of it. I think that it is important that
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  Speaker 2: we understand how the government is reacting to things sometimes
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  Speaker 2: when we don't have the opportunity to see them. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's important to note that we have not
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  Speaker 2: just a president who is working to try to bring
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  Speaker 2: about effective changes in the world, but he has really
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  Speaker 2: put everything himself surrounded by some really incredible people that
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  Speaker 2: are really talented and really accomplished and really focused. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the people I've been most impressed with in
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  Speaker 2: the short run of the second administration for Trump has
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  Speaker 2: been the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. When he was
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  Speaker 2: part of the Tea Party and being elected to the
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  Speaker 2: Senate for the first time, and you may remember he
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  Speaker 2: and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and those guys, they
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  Speaker 2: were all brought into office as young senators and guys
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  Speaker 2: that were really talented and then ended up making a
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  Speaker 2: mark on the Senate in pretty significant ways. And then
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  Speaker 2: ran for president. All three of them did. And none
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  Speaker 2: of them got there. Cruz and Rubio and Paul ran
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  Speaker 2: against Trump the first time. And I think they saw
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  Speaker 2: the writing on the wall pretty clearly that he was
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  Speaker 2: a force du jour. And to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: I was a big Ted Cruz supporter in the first
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  Speaker 2: Trump primary campaign. I didn't get on Team Trump until
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  Speaker 2: after Cruz had been eliminated from the contention campaign. Because
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  Speaker 2: it was a vibrantly fought primary election. It really did
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  Speaker 2: go down. I mean, it went all the way to Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: which is really deep in the primary cycle before Cruz
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  Speaker 2: was eliminated. But once they did, I said, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to choose for the lesser of the ones I
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  Speaker 2: dislike the most. And I fell in love with Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I did not know. in the primary, how he was
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  Speaker 2: going to operate. I did not know the force with
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  Speaker 2: which he was going to stand by his convictions and
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  Speaker 2: be able to really go against every grain of opposition
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  Speaker 2: and stand. And we had not seen a politician like
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  Speaker 2: that in my lifetime for a very long time. Reagan
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  Speaker 2: was really the last one that kind of had that
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  Speaker 2: level of immovability, though I will say in the aftermath
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  Speaker 2: of 9-11, I think George W. Bush showed some great courage.
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  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump is really a rock. He's one of
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  Speaker 2: these guys that's like, and love him or hate him
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  Speaker 2: for it, if he is convicted in his heart that
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing is the right thing, you just can't
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  Speaker 2: move him off of the spot. And we haven't had
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  Speaker 2: leadership like that in this country in a really long time.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm grateful for that. But in the second term,
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  Speaker 2: he has put people around him who are similar. And
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  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio has done an extraordinary job at state. Usually
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  Speaker 2: our secretaries of state are feckless, lily-livered, low-energy, really like
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  Speaker 2: people that just don't have... guts to really hold a line.
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  Speaker 2: And Rubio has been the opposite. He has been like,
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  Speaker 2: here is where the line is and we will not
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  Speaker 2: be moved. And that's why you've had so much foreign
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  Speaker 2: policy success in so many different regions of the world.
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  Speaker 2: But where I really feel like it's made a difference
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  Speaker 2: is when I read stories like this from yesterday. following
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  Speaker 2: the UN session, Rubio and the Iranians are in direct
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  Speaker 2: conversations as they have been for much of these days
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  Speaker 2: going on. They have been in direct negotiations and Rubio
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  Speaker 2: abruptly ends the talks and tells the Iranian delegation they
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  Speaker 2: have to leave the US. Now, why did he do that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: They weren't playing honest, which has been the path of
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  Speaker 2: the Iranians for most of the times that we've been
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  Speaker 2: trying to negotiate with them. They say one thing and
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  Speaker 2: then they try to trick us and they try to
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  Speaker 2: go down a different path. So he was like, enough,
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  Speaker 2: we're done. Close the books. Oh, and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the secretary of state and your visa is revoked.
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  Speaker 2: So they have to leave. They have to get out
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  Speaker 2: of the U S and yet again, with no clear
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  Speaker 2: sign of a breakthrough in more than seven months. Now,
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  Speaker 2: The president and the administration are saying to Iran, look,
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  Speaker 2: you have limited oxygen left. Your economic complete implosion is
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  Speaker 2: just around the corner. We've frozen all your assets. You
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  Speaker 2: have no military to speak of. Your Navy is sunk.
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  Speaker 2: Your Air Force is demolished. You don't have any planes anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Your missile capacity is done. And how do you know
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  Speaker 2: all of that's true? Because we just recorded the largest
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  Speaker 2: amount of oil ever coming through the Strait of Hormuz.
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  Speaker 2: More than pre-war levels that we just got through without
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  Speaker 2: Iran being able to lift a finger to stop any
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  Speaker 2: of it. That is the effectiveness of what we're doing there.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have men and women and boots on the
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  Speaker 2: ground and Americans getting killed. We have some control of access.
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  Speaker 2: We have some good partnerships with people in the region.
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  Speaker 2: And we're being steadfast in the focus of what we
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  Speaker 2: have said we're going to do and we're doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And because of that, it's having an impact. If you
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  Speaker 2: think about this from just a pragmatic standpoint, it is
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  Speaker 2: in the Iranians best interest to cut a deal with
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  Speaker 2: Trump before the election, because once the election is passed,
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  Speaker 2: he has nothing else to worry about for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of his term. He has no further impact to be made.
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  Speaker 2: He's got the gloves off and he can go for
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  Speaker 2: the jugular if necessary. So if any of those guys
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  Speaker 2: in the IRGC want to live, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: that any of them do, I think that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them think they're going to make some grand sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: to Allah in giving their lives for the cause. It's foolish.
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  Speaker 2: It's wrong. Just like the guy that tried to hijacked
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli airliner yesterday or the Dubai airliner. It's silliness.
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  Speaker 2: But courage is saying to the people that want to
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  Speaker 2: do evil, you will not do it. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: those passengers on that flight said to that airplane captain.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the Secretary of State is saying to the IRGC.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we have to continue to do in
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  Speaker 2: our culture. We have to stand for what is right
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  Speaker 2: and understand that sometimes you're going to be criticized, but
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  Speaker 2: the idea is to be a rock for what is good.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm grateful that we have a couple of examples
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  Speaker 2: in the president and secretary of state, whether you agree
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  Speaker 2: with their positions or not, the fact that they are
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  Speaker 2: able to demonstrate that kind of steadfastness, I think is
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  Speaker 2: really encouraging. Kevin McCullough coming right back. Don't go away.
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  Speaker 7: Here he.
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  Speaker 1: Is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's Thursday, That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com.
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  Speaker 2: And this week in this segment of the show where
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  Speaker 2: we ask the big question, how do we live? How
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  Speaker 2: do we live in light of a culture that despises God?
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  Speaker 2: How do we live in light of a culture that
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  Speaker 2: opposes his word? How do we live in a culture
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  Speaker 2: where they may look at us if we observe either
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  Speaker 2: of those things as having something wrong with us? I
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  Speaker 2: argue we don't live any differently. We live on mission.
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  Speaker 2: We live on purpose. for the calling that God has
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  Speaker 2: put in front of us. And so that is where
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  Speaker 2: we come to it, but this is where we talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. And I've been so grateful to have Alan
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  Speaker 2: Moorhead with us, Dr. Alan Moorhead, the senior rabbi at
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  Speaker 2: the Arrowhead Messianic Congregation in Arizona, Peoria, Arizona. And we've
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  Speaker 2: been looking at, in Leviticus 23, the feasts of the Lord,
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  Speaker 2: the spring feasts and the fall feasts. And Alan, there's
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  Speaker 2: one that I think a lot of people have heard
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  Speaker 2: the name of that may not be Messianic in their
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  Speaker 2: tradition at all, but they've heard the name of this.
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  Speaker 2: And we haven't touched on it at all yet. And
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  Speaker 2: it's called Yom Kippur. Tell us all about it.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Yom Kippur. It occurs 10 days after the first
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  Speaker 8: fall of Feast Yom Teruah. Those 10 days are known
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  Speaker 8: as the Days of Awe. Those 10 days, the Jews
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  Speaker 8: believe that they can get their name written either in
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  Speaker 8: the Book of Life or the Book of Death during
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  Speaker 8: that period of time. And so obviously they are striving
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  Speaker 8: to try to get their name in the Book of Life.
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  Speaker 8: Of course, we as believers in Yeshua rejoice that we
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  Speaker 8: are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. But Yom
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  Speaker 8: Kippur is the Day of Atonement. Kippur is named after
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  Speaker 8: the mercy seat that is on the Ark of the Covenant.
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  Speaker 8: It is the statute forever, which means forever. You know,
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  Speaker 8: you need to pay close attention because whatever happens there,
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  Speaker 8: it continues on. It also says we are to afflict
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  Speaker 8: our souls on this date, Leviticus 16, verse 29. And
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  Speaker 8: the rabbis mostly say that it has to do with fasting,
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  Speaker 8: but I say it's repentance, it's your heart changing, because
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  Speaker 8: God is looking for a changed heart, not necessarily a
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  Speaker 8: hungry stomach. But fasting may help do that. It also
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  Speaker 8: tells us that anyone who does not afflict their soul...
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  Speaker 8: And verse 29, Leviticus 16, that soul will be cut off.
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  Speaker 8: So people need to understand, you know, that repentance and
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  Speaker 8: the humility before the Lord is very, very important. Also,
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  Speaker 8: Yom Kippur is all about the atonement for Israel. It's
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  Speaker 8: about putting the blood on the mercy seat. The high priest,
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  Speaker 8: once a year, will go behind the veil with the
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  Speaker 8: blood of a bull and the blood of a goat.
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  Speaker 8: And then that had his family sins on the bull
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  Speaker 8: confessed and the sins of Israel confessed on the goat.
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  Speaker 8: And then he will take the blood of those two
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  Speaker 8: animals and sprinkle them seven times on the mercy seat.
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  Speaker 8: He also confesses the sins of Israel on another goat
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  Speaker 8: called the escape goat. And the escape goat is let
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  Speaker 8: loose alive into the wilderness. And people say, well, why?
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  Speaker 8: Why is that? Well, both goats had to be the
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  Speaker 8: same color, same age, look the same. So basically what
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  Speaker 8: it represented is the first goat represented Yeshua dying and
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  Speaker 8: shedding his blood. The second goat represent Yeshua ascending on
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  Speaker 8: into heaven, taking the sins of Israel with him. And
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  Speaker 8: so Israel's sins can be forgiven when they call upon
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  Speaker 8: him in the future. A lot of miracles occur in
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  Speaker 8: Yom Kippur. You know, we have the We have the,
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  Speaker 8: the Eastern gate, or the Eastern door of the holy
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  Speaker 8: place opens by itself. At the end of Yom Kippur,
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  Speaker 8: the Eastern door closes by itself. There were other miracles too,
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  Speaker 8: like the high priest's garments. You know, he did not
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  Speaker 8: wear his ceremonial garments. This is a big fallacy that
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  Speaker 8: a lot of people were taught many years ago, and
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  Speaker 8: it's not.
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  Speaker 9: True at all.
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  Speaker 8: The high priest wore his linen white garments. doing the sacrifice.
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  Speaker 8: So when he's all done, it's covered with blood and
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  Speaker 8: he hangs it up in the holy place. And a
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  Speaker 8: miracle takes place where God takes that bloody garment and
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  Speaker 8: turns it white. Also, there's a scarlet ribbon that's tied
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  Speaker 8: on the horn of the scapegoat. And there's also a
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  Speaker 8: scarlet ribbon tied on the door of the holy place.
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  Speaker 8: Those ribbons will also turn white when God accepts it.
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  Speaker 8: and also in the selection of which goat gets to
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  Speaker 8: be sacrificed, it always happened when the priest, without looking
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  Speaker 8: in the jar, would reach in with his right hand
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  Speaker 8: and left hand. The one that says, for the Lord,
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  Speaker 8: was always in his right hand. Now, it's interesting that Josephus,
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  Speaker 8: the Jewish historian, 40 years before the temple was destroyed,
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  Speaker 8: he said, all these miracles ceased. And so what happened?
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  Speaker 8: We know the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. So
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  Speaker 8: what happened 40 years before that would have been 30 A.D.? Well,
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  Speaker 8: it was Yeshua, it was Jesus. So we know Jesus
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  Speaker 8: is the young Kippur of sacrifice. And Hebrews 9.22 tells us,
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  Speaker 8: without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin.
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  Speaker 8: Leviticus 17.11 says, it is the blood that makes atonement
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  Speaker 8: for the soul. So blood was very important. And I
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  Speaker 8: use this concept a lot when I'm witnessing to Jewish people.
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  Speaker 8: And I say, how do you get your sins forgiven?
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  Speaker 8: And they say, well, the rabbis tell us we need
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  Speaker 8: to pray and do charity. So that's not according to
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  Speaker 8: your word. You need to have the shedding of blood.
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  Speaker 8: And so then we start talking about that Yeshua, Jesus,
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  Speaker 8: is the perpetual sacrifice. All you need to do is
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  Speaker 8: call upon him and you will have your sins atoned for.
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  Speaker 2: I am curious, Alan, for Jewish people today that don't
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  Speaker 2: accept the idea that Jesus is Messiah, but they are
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  Speaker 2: still Jewish enough in their expression that they hold to
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  Speaker 2: this idea that they need to wait for the Messiah.
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  Speaker 2: Then shouldn't the laws and the feasts that you are
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  Speaker 2: describing to us, shouldn't they still be in place in
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  Speaker 2: these folks' lives?
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  Speaker 8: Well, they will be in place when they have an
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  Speaker 8: altar in the temple.
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  Speaker 9: They'll come back.
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  Speaker 8: But the Lord blinded Israel purposely right now because of salvation,
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  Speaker 8: as Paul said, is to be given to the Gentiles
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  Speaker 8: right now.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm curious what those folks that you witnessed to
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  Speaker 2: say about it, because it would seem to me— that
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  Speaker 2: if a rabbi just said, you've got to do good things,
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  Speaker 2: and in other words, it's not following anything that was
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  Speaker 2: previously laid down according to rabbinical law.
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  Speaker 10: That's correct.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 8: But they don't know what to do about it. So
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  Speaker 8: that's why I always bring it up to them about
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  Speaker 8: a blood atonement. And then they get all mad at me,
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  Speaker 8: and I've been cussed out in Yiddish and everything else
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  Speaker 8: over it.
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  Speaker 2: We're not trying to encourage that for sure. But Yom Kippur,
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  Speaker 2: it is still something that... So how would modern... What
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  Speaker 2: would modern Jewish people see Yom Kippur representing in today's life?
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  Speaker 8: Well, today, what they do today... is they try to
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  Speaker 8: make amends of any problem they had all year long
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  Speaker 8: because they want their name written in the Book of
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  Speaker 8: Life before the night of Yom Kippur is over. And
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  Speaker 8: so they tried to make their amends of anybody they
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  Speaker 8: might have hurt or whatever they did during the year
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  Speaker 8: because they know they'd have to wait another year to
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  Speaker 8: fix it and hopefully not die during that year. And
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  Speaker 8: that's their thoughts, you know, and so It's kind of
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  Speaker 8: a sad thing to think that, well, if they didn't
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  Speaker 8: fix it right by Yom Kippur, they better hope they.
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  Speaker 2: Don't die in the next year. How should, given this reality,
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  Speaker 2: what should we as believers, whether we're messianic in our
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  Speaker 2: practice or just evangelical, what should we be, how should
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  Speaker 2: we be assimilating this information so that we best are
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  Speaker 2: able to reach those around us that we want to
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  Speaker 2: reach for the gospel because it's certainly here in New York,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a ton of Jewish friends that live around us. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we, we come into contact every day. What's
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  Speaker 2: the most constructive way to go about reaching out to them?
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  Speaker 8: I would say with just what I had said, you know,
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  Speaker 8: ask them how they have their sins forgiven, and they
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  Speaker 8: will tell you through prayer and charity. And ask them, well,
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  Speaker 8: that's not what your word says. You know, you can
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  Speaker 8: bring the word up, Leviticus 17, verse 11. It is
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  Speaker 8: blood that makes atonement for the soul. So how are
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  Speaker 8: your sins forgiven? When God says himself here, this is
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  Speaker 8: what you need. And then they would say, well, we
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  Speaker 8: don't have an altar, you know, and we don't have
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  Speaker 8: a temple. So we can't do that. Although there are
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  Speaker 8: some Orthodox Jews that will kill a chicken and scatter
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  Speaker 8: the blood, which is totally against what God says. But anyway,
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  Speaker 8: they'll say that. And then you say, but there is
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  Speaker 8: one who was a perpetual sacrifice that all you have
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  Speaker 8: to do is call upon his name. And a day
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  Speaker 8: is coming that you will, Zechariah 12, 10 says, you
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  Speaker 8: will look upon the one whom you have pierced.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting perspective on Yom Kippur and just another insightful chapter
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  Speaker 2: of this week. Tomorrow we wrap all of this up.
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  Speaker 2: We ask the big question, what does it all mean,
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  Speaker 2: and how can we best use it in our witness
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  Speaker 2: this weekend? Alan, so grateful to have you with us.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being back.
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  Speaker 8: Well, thank you, Kevin, for having me.
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  Speaker 2: You got it. Kevin McCullough coming right back. The rest
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  Speaker 2: of this big Thursday straight ahead.
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  Speaker 11: Stick around for more of That Kevin next.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: for all things related. And I am very honored to
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  Speaker 2: have back at the microphone someone who was with us
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  Speaker 2: on the radio side just two weeks ago at the
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  Speaker 2: scene conference in Nashville. We didn't even know we were
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: going to be having this conversation at the time. Like, honestly,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: neither one of us knew we were going to do it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But Todd Nettleton is the host of Voice of the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Martyrs Radio, heard on lots of the same stations that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you hear this show on, and want to just point
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: out that Voice of the Martyrs is advocating for the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: welfare of Christians who are being persecuted all over the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: planet and in some pretty horrendous ways. But he has
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a special offer for you. He's written a book called
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: When Faith is Forbidden, and I want to ask him
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit about that and how you can get
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  Speaker 2: a copy of it for free. Todd, it's good to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: see you. Thanks for coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you're very welcome.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad my introduction didn't spurn you for permanent.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't didn't scare me off.
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  Speaker 2: Good. That's good. We talked and had a very good
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: conversation at seeing about the difficulty that the church faces
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: in a lot of places around the globe just a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. I'm guessing in the two weeks
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: since you and I sat down, it hasn't gotten any better.
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  Speaker 12: No, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be getting better. And really,
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: as Christians, that shouldn't surprise us. You know, Jesus promised persecution.
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  Speaker 12: He said, the world hates me. If you follow me,
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: the world will hate you, too. Not not a good
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: marketing slogan, but it is true. And we're seeing that
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: around the world in more than 70 countries. Being persecuted
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: is just a regular part of following Jesus Christ.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It does happen to be also the case in a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: lot of places where the persecution is the most robust part.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: is also the place where the church is growing the most.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Can you explain how that's happening?
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  Speaker 12: You know, I think ultimately that's the power of the
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: Holy Spirit. But it is true where we see persecution,
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: we see the church growing. And one of the ways
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  Speaker 12: that that happens, very frankly, is the response of Christians
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: to persecution. When we follow the scriptural mandate to love
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: our enemies, to pray for those who persecute us, that
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: is an incredible witness of the truth of the gospel.
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: When you are beating someone and they are forgiving you
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: and loving you, from a human perspective, that doesn't make sense.
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: It really doesn't even compute. It only makes sense if
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: the gospel is true, if Jesus is real. And so
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: one of the ways the church is growing is because
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: of the response of our brothers and sisters today. to
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: the attacks, to the persecution that they face.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's one of those things where nobody would
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: believe it if you just said it on a normal,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: like I get email from cynics all the time who
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: are like, I can't believe that you actually believe the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: things that you believe. But when you come into face-to-face
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: contact with faith that is that stout, that is that sturdy,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that is that inspiring for the human to withstand what
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: they are going through, But there's also those that write
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Todd and say, but the church really isn't being persecuted.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: For people that have that kind of hard to convince mentality.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: What are some of the things that Christians are experiencing
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: around the world right now as we speak?
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: You know, when you, if I would hear someone say,
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: you know, the church isn't really being persecuted. One of
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: the first thoughts that comes to my mind is the
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: faces of seven pastors in Eritrea, all of whom have
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: been in prison more than 21 years, all of whom
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: have been separated from their families. In fact, some of
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: them have had their spouses die while they've been in
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: prison the last 21 years.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And so I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: Think of Chinese pastors in prison right now. We know
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: there are more than 200 Chinese church leaders who are
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: imprisoned in China. I think of the church in Iran
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: that is active and growing, but also facing intense persecution.
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: So someone who thinks that the church isn't really being persecuted,
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: they are not paying attention.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you have written a book that details much of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: this called When Faith is Forbidden. And I want to
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: give you a chance to tell us what it's about
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and kind of why you were called to write this book.
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: I appreciate the use of the word calling because I
• 25:30
  Speaker 12: think that that really is what it is. For the
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: last 28 years, I've worked at Voice of the Martyrs
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: and I've traveled around the world to meet face to
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: face with Christians who have been persecuted. And I get
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: the sort of holy privilege of sitting down with them
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: and just asking them questions.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know, tell me about the prison.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: Tell me.
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: Tell me if you thought about denying your faith and
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: going free. And inevitably, what would happen if I would
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: come back from a trip and I would be in
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: my Bible study group or in my Sunday school class
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: and I would share one of those stories and somebody
• 26:02
  Speaker 12: would say, man, I wish I could go on a
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: trip with you. And so that's that's really why I
• 26:07
  Speaker 12: wrote the book is it's an invitation to you. Hey,
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: come on a trip with me. I want you to
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: come along. We're going to take 40 days every day.
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: We're going to meet a persecuted Christian. We're going to
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: hear their story. And I believe, in fact, I, it's
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: almost a guarantee on day 41, your faith will look
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: different because there's no way you can hang out with.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: These kinds of people.
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: You can hear their stories of boldness and faithfulness in
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: spite of prison, in spite of having family members killed
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: in spite of being beaten. There's no way you can
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: spend 40 days with those kinds of followers of Jesus
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: Christ and not want to follow him more boldly and
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: more passionately in your own life.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I know that, um, Many of you that listen that
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: are not followers of Jesus are unconvinced. But I just
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: want to, I would even ask you, get a copy
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of Todd's book and see for yourself if there is
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: not something inspiring about the fact that these people will
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: cling to Christ when so many other things are dangled
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in front of them in terms of what you could
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: call fairly temptation, even though it's just a relief from
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the persecution that they're being put up against. Anyway, Todd
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Nettleton doing a great job. VOM radio is where you
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: hear him and you can hear more of those stories
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: on stations that many of the same stations that take
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: this broadcast also air Todd show. And again, if you
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: want the book, you got to go to V O
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: M dot O R G slash Kevin V O M
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: dot O R G slash Kevin. And it's super simple
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: right at the top of the page. There's a little form.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Just put that in. Shouldn't take 30 seconds to fill
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: it out. And then a copy of the book is
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  Speaker 2: on its way to you. Todd, keep fighting the good fight.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough coming right back. It's That Kevin Show. Don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: go away.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's the Thursday edition. Always love
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Thursday because I get to think about my kids. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: get to think about what their lives are all about.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: We do more education material on Thursdays, and I get
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to talk to Shelly Goldberg, talking about how to be
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a better parent. Sometimes if you're listening and you have grandkids,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you may be thinking about how to be a better grandparent.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But Shelly, today's topic is.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Making memories, Kevin.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, because we are entering the season of major memories.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: You know, this is when everybody starts to gear up for,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's apple picking and then it's Thanksgiving and
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: trips and who we're going to see and relatives. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: certainly as we move into December and Christmas... That's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: major one. And then the new year. So I thought,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: you know, I stumbled on this wonderful article and I thought,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: let's talk about the power of memories. And it doesn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: have to be something that just happens in November and
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: December and January. We want to do this throughout the
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: year for our kids. And it's not about gifts. Kevin,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: the most powerful memories are made from experiences. So this
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: should be costing you next to nothing to do most
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: of so important for our kids and for our families because, Kevin,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: they make us feel connected. It's the anchor, the ultimate
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: anchor in life. You feel warm. It lowers stress. It
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: builds a sense of community. It builds a sense of belonging.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: So these are really good things you want to do
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: for your family. And repetition is the key. Then it
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: moves into that area we call tradition. And these are
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: the things when our kids are in their 20s and 30s,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: they're going to look back on so fondly and with
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: such warm memories. So that's where we want to go.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Wonderful article, 31 Priceless Memories to Make with Your Grandchild.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: And I want to thank John Zorro. It was a
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: great article. You can find it yourself. But the great
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: news is, Kevin, it doesn't have to be grandparents. It
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: can be cousins. godparents. It can be a best friend
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: from childhood, uncles, aunts. You can really expand it. You
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: want it to be people, ideally, that are an integral
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: part of your family, people that you see or speak
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: to on a regular basis. And it doesn't have to
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: be in person. There are so many things that can
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: be done via Zoom or FaceTime that will also make
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: those beautiful memories when your kids are grown and starting
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: families of their own.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: So And again, it's.
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  Speaker 7: Experiences.
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  Speaker 5: When they do studies and they ask people consistently, it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: those experiences that count the most for people, that they
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: remember the most. All right, so what are some things
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: that you can do? What will make some magical memories?
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Simple things. Send letters. There's something magical. so magical about
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: your kids getting something in the mail that has their
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: name on it. And it doesn't mean that you have
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to ask Uncle Ned to write a letter every week.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: You can do something as simple as putting in an
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: envelope a saying, a phrase, a proverb, something as simple as, Jonathan,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: what goes around comes around. Let's discuss. Or if you
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: can dream it, you can do it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: Walt Disney.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: It can be two lines. So If someone in the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: family can sign on to doing that, that is absolutely
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: a super thing to do. You can do something called
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: rate a record or rate a song. You can do
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: this with Zoom or FaceTime or in person. And you
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: introduce your children to different songs. It can be a
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: country western or gospel, folk, jazz. Ask them on a
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: one to ten. What would they give this song? And
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: then they begin to share music that they love and
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: songs that they love. They will remember that Aunt Cora
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: did this when they're much older. Read a story. Perfect
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: to do if you're not in person. You can do
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: it again on FaceTime. Go to the library. Get a
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: bunch of picture books. And once a week, call up
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: and start to read that story to the kids, to Kevin,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: to your children. Be the tool guide. Be the person
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: who calls up and says, Jonathan, I'm going to introduce
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: you to a new tool. Do you know how this works?
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Do you know what a chisel is? Do you know
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: what pliers do? Let me show you a monkey wrench.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Today I'm going to show you how to fix a tire.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: So they're always remembered as the person who came to
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: your house to show how to do something that was
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: actually a life skill. Be the vegetable relative. Be the
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: person who either calls up or shows up in person
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: and says, I'm going to show you how to plant
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: a seed. I'm going to show you how to make
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: flowers bloom. I'm going to show you how to grow
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: your own garden. Let's plant a tree. But anything that
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: has to do with nature and growing, they become that person.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Somebody who likes history might be the person who says, Jonathan,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: did you know that that when we were little, telephones
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: used to be on the wall. Jonathan, did you know
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: the milkman used to deliver milk? Or there were actually
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: only three channels on the TV? Jonathan, when he's in
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: his 20s and 30s, will remember these crazy, wonderful conversations.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Or be the relative who shows up and when everyone
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: else says, it's raining out, I'm not going out. It's
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: snowing out.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not moving.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: That you have a relative that says, get the umbrellas,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: put on the boots. We're going out there and having
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: a blast. And you're literally dancing in the rain. So
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: many wonderful suggestions on how to make memories that your
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: kids will remember fondly and warmly. And it anchors them.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: It anchors them in the universe. Another wonderful thing is
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: if someone knows you or knew you, Kevin, when you
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: were a child, if that person can step forward and
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: every time they speak to your children, they can share
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: a picture of Kevin as a child. They can show
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: your kids the picture of the house that Kevin grew
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: up in. They can tell a story about Kevin when
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: he was in sixth grade. Great memories, Kevin, your thoughts.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's so much to be said
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: here and I love the things like, uh, letter writing.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: We don't do enough of that anymore in the culture. Uh, we,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: we don't do much of any of it anymore. Um,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But I know that one of the things when I
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: have the kids in the car and I'm running errands
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: or we're picking up from school or going to and
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: from youth group or whatever, one of the things they
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: love to hear about is my childhood. And so it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: always fun for them to hear about what I experienced
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and how different it was than the world they're growing
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: up in. Because phones being on the wall with the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: super long cord that the only way you could get
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: into the other room to use it is if it
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: had the super, super long cord on it. it's just
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: such a foreign concept to them that has, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: such a different ability now. But this is really good stuff, Shelly.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: The name of the article again?
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: 34.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: All right, give me a second. It's 31 Priceless Memories
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: to Make with Your Grandchild by John Zorro.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: By John Zorro. Okay, good. Shelly Goldberg, always appreciate you.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Kevin.
• 35:43
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  Speaker 2: on this. I've kind of adopted recently a low carb
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: keto style diet. And that is the weight loss plan
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that PhD weight loss essentially helps you institute into your life.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But I was just reading that Some research has just
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: come out in the journal called Cell Metabolism, where they
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: studied 42 adults who had obesity pre-diabetes and excess liver fat,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: had a fatty liver. And in a randomized clinical trial,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the participants were assigned three weight loss diets, the low-carb keto,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a Mediterranean diet, and a low-fat, mostly plant-based diet. The
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: keto diet's calories consisted of X number of carbohydrates, so
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: much from fat, the Mediterranean, more calories, less from fat,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And the low-fat diet, about 70% of the calories and 15%
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: from fat. Here's the thing. In all three groups, muscle
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: insulin sensitivity improved by around 50%, helping the muscles take
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: up blood sugar more efficiently. But liver fat decreased about 67%
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: among people following the keto diet compared to 45% under
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the other two. So if you want to lose liver fat,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: do the keto thing. And my friends at phdweightloss.com will
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: help you do that right now. They've helped me. But
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: do the keto diet if you want to lose 67%
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: more liver fat. If you've got a fatty liver, that's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the way to go. It beats the other two hands down.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Callum McCullough coming right back.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: 10, 3, 2, 1.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Salem Media.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: Is a man also not sleeping.
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: Syndicated radio talk show host, Kevin McCullough.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: And that guy would like a word with you.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Many of you know him, Gomez Lutz-Gradamas.
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: Of course that Kevin show is going to be great.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: The only thing that could be greater, of course, would.
• 41:09
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• 41:10
  Speaker 10: But we don't have that, so we have that Kevin show.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Featuring the music of Dick Tunney and the Dream in
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• 41:37
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• 41:43
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• 41:54
  Speaker 4: And now, from the Connors & Sullivan Broadcast Studios, the
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: man who is not what he wants to be, but
• 42:01
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• 42:04
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• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Calvin McCullough, very glad to have you here. We are
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: going to talk about some very interesting things, not the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: least of which, they are related in some way, to
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the elections that are just around the corner in the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: coming weeks. And I want you to think clearly about
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: what your options are as we get closer to that date.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why I was a
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: little surprised, to be honest with you, that the vote
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: went down yesterday in the Senate the way it did. Yesterday,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the U.S. Senate voted on a bill that that would
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: have barred members of Congress, their spouses, and their dependent
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: children from buying new individual stock while in office. The
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Stop Insider Trading Act already passed the House in July.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It needed 60 votes to get through in the Senate.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It got 53. Every single Senate Democrat voted no. Not most.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Not the useful handful of holdouts you can point to
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: and call outliers, but all of them. I want to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: be fair about the stated reasons because Democrats do have one.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It deserves a hearing before I tell you why I
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: don't buy it. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: bill a permission slip for corruption, not a stock trading ban,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: arguing it allows members to own and sell stock but
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: not buy new shares, and he's not wrong about that limitation.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: He also objected to a voter ID provision the House
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Republicans attached to the bill, calling it a poison pill
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: designed to make Democrats choose between two things they claim
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to support and torpedo both at once. Schumer further noted
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: that Trump's own investment managers reportedly made more individual security
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: trades between 2025 and this summer than the entirety of
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Congress combined. A fair point. and one that deserves its
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: own column, but a president trading at that volume raises
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: exactly the kind of conflict of interest questions this debate
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be about. And none of that explains
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the vote. Here's what's not perfect enough to support, actually
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: means in practice. When you're handed a chance to close
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: even part of a loophole that lets members of Congress
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: get richer off information the rest of us will never see,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and your answer is to kill the whole bill rather
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: than vote yes and keep pushing for more, you haven't
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: taken the principled stand. You've taken the comfortable one. Every
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Democrat who voted no on Wednesday had the option to
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: vote yes and spend the next campaign cycle demanding the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Senate finish the job. Not one of them chose that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: They chose zero progress over partial progress. And they're hoping
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the voter ID objection does enough work in the retelling
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: that nobody asks the obvious follow-up question, would you have
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: voted yes if it hadn't been attached? Public polling says 86%
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of the country wants congressional stock trading banned outright. 86%.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: That's not a partisan number. That's as close to unanimous
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: as the country gets on anything in 2026. And the
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Senate just produced a 53-47 vote that fell seven short
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of even a modest, incomplete first step toward it. Look
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: who sponsored this bill in the first place. Senator Pete Ricketts,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: a Republican facing a competitive race in Nebraska, put his
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: name on it and took to the floor knowing full
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: well it would become a campaign issue either way. If
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Democrats actually believe their own talking point, that this reform
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't go far enough, the honest move was to vote
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: yes bank the partial win, and introduce something stronger next
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: session with the momentum of having just passed something. Instead,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: they let the perfect become the enemy of the actual,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and in the process, let every member currently trading on
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: information the rest of us don't have keep right on
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: doing it, unrestricted and indefinitely. That's the part that should
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: bother you, regardless of party. This isn't a Republican issue
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: or a Democratic issue. It's a Washington issue. A bipartisan
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: class of people who've figured out the rules protecting the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: rest of us from insider training apparently don't apply once
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you're the one writing the legislation that moves markets. Nancy
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Pelosi's stock trades have made headlines for years. So have
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: plenty of Republicans, which is exactly why Ricketts and others
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: keep bringing these bills forward in the first place. They
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: know their own side isn't clean on this either. The
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: difference on Wednesday wasn't which party has dirtier hands, it's
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: which party had the chance to start cleaning them and
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: declined unanimously in a recorded vote with their names attached.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: So no, I won't pretend this bill was flawless, because
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. Schumer's criticism of its gaps wasn't invented out
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of nowhere. But flawed and worth passing are not mutually exclusive.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: And 47 senators who claim to care about the issue
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: just proved with their own votes that that getting to
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: campaign on the grievance matters more to them than actually
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: closing it. The next time one of them tells you
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they support ending congressional insider trading, ask them where they
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: were on September 30th. They were all in the same place,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: voting no. Friends, it's really, and I'm serious about this,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: if it applies to bipartisan corruption, then let bipartisan people
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: be corrected by it. But I can't for the life
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: of me understand how Nancy Pelosi can do nothing but
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: be a congressperson for all these years and go in
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: with limited means and come out a gazillionaire. It's like
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: every single trade that they make is a home run.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but my portfolio never
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: reflects that. It is freakishly successful. to be a member
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: of Congress, and then to suddenly make a ton of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: money in the market. And it is freakishly beyond mathematical
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: averages that that many people could do it that many times.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And that is law-breaking. If we were to do it,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: in fact, I'll give you an example. Our parent company,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Salem Media, a bunch of us inside the company knew
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that we were going to be bought out and taken
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: private again. a few days before the announcement was made publicly.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: And we were warned by management, if you don't want
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: law enforcement to come looking for you, don't buy or
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: sell stock in this time period. They were doing that
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to be lawful and to help their employees to be
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: lawful and to say to the world, we're going to
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: operate in a lawful way. But that's the kind of
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: thing And it would have sent people to jail if
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: they had chosen to do that. But that's the kind
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of thing that Congress gets to do all the time.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And while the American people look at it and say,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: that's not fair. Why do they get to do that?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: The Democratic Party in Congress says back to the American people,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: we don't care what you think.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Tough.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Too bad. We're going to do what we want to do.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: There is a certain degree that those in Congress believe
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: that they are elites over you, especially those on the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: political left. It happens sometimes with the right, but far less,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: far less often. Republicans generally are working class folks that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: are trying to make a difference. But these elitist lefties,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: and I don't buy Schumer's excuses for a second. You
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: do what you can to fix it now. And that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: the way the cookie crumbles. But absolutely, should Congress be
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: banned from insider trading?
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Does that mean they should be banned from being able
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to buy individual stocks while in office?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's a no-brainer. What do you think? Thatkevinshowatgmail.com.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Let me know. Thatkevinshowatgmail.com. Coming right back.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, That Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Times Square. It's That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: for all things associated. I am That Kevin, as odd
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: as that may sound. Kevin McCullough, glad to have you
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: with us. Don Palmer is a senior legal fellow with
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the Election Integrity Unit at Heritage, the Heritage Foundation. We
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: talk to them every week. And Don, this is the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: first time you've been able to join us. So thank
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you and welcome. Glad you're here. The president had kind
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: of a mixed bag of Supreme Court findings and back
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and forth from lower courts and stays and so forth.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: All of it on the issue of whether or not
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: this election could be executed with integrity. As we are
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: now past Labor Day, and a lot of this is
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: starting to kind of come down the pike for what
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: really matters, where are we at in terms of election
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: integrity in 2026? And what's your general feeling for how
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: trustworthy the outcomes will be in November this year?
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: Well, generally, I feel good about it. I mean, we're
• 52:11
  Speaker 13: now 35 days before the election. So the operations of
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: elections have already started. Ballots are going out to many
• 52:18
  Speaker 13: Polling places are being prepared. Poll workers trained. I think
• 52:21
  Speaker 13: from an election integrity perspective, it was unfortunate that the
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: SAVE program that the states were using to audit their
• 52:29
  Speaker 13: voter registration rolls was basically turned off by the D.C.
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: District Court and the Circuit Court there in the District
• 52:38
  Speaker 13: of Columbia. And the Supreme Court just turned that on.
• 52:41
  Speaker 13: But we are, of course, very close to the election.
• 52:44
  Speaker 13: But the good story that came out of that, besides
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: the ruling by the Supreme Court for the future, The
• 52:50
  Speaker 13: good story about this is that that program has been
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: used by at least 30 states to audit the voter
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: registration rolls. It's called the SAVE program. And that's been
• 52:59
  Speaker 13: going on since late 2025 and all the way through
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: about August or July this year where the courts turned
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: it off. So this is why you see a number
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: of non-citizens being identified. It's why you see a lot
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: of prosecutions because this audit's been taking place. Now, some
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: states have not used it. But what you're seeing is
• 53:20
  Speaker 13: the benefit of that review of the voter registration rolls.
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: So I feel a lot better now than I certainly
• 53:26
  Speaker 13: did in 2025.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Well, and to be honest, in 2025, I kind of
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: thought we had lost our country completely because the disaster
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that was the 2024 election. And I still find it
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: humorous to the point of annoyance that people on social
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: media and elsewhere still get all their feathers, you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: bustled and say, you know, Oh, if you don't, if
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: you thought the 24 election had, you know, funny business
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: going on, you're just, you're just anti-American. I'm like, I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: still can't explain most of what happened there. It doesn't
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: make sense to me, but hearing that this is that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: this is beginning to take hold is encouraging. However, let
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: me push back slightly. If all 48 States except New
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: York and California adopt these measures, does it even matter?
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: Well, it doesn't matter.
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's how you see it, the glass empty,
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: glass full. I mean, I think that when I talk
• 54:25
  Speaker 13: to the states about the use of the federal program
• 54:28
  Speaker 13: to identify noncitizens, it's really made their roles more accurate.
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: It is unfortunate that states like California and New York
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: just refuse to use the program. And there's probably about
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: 10 or 12 others that it's almost an ideological thing
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: that they don't want to cooperate.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: You think? I think they're all blue states. So question,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: how many of the seven swing states have adopted these programs?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Because I think that's really where this comes into play
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: is in those critically important, very close, you know, down
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to the wire kind of states that we watch on
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: election night.
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, that's developed a little bit, but I
• 55:04
  Speaker 13: think Ohio uses it. Michigan, unfortunately, actually periodically they have
• 55:10
  Speaker 13: used it for a variety of reasons. They understand the
• 55:13
  Speaker 13: SAVE program. Wisconsin, I'm fairly doubtful. And so many of
• 55:18
  Speaker 13: those states, maybe half of them are using the SAVE program.
• 55:21
  Speaker 13: I think what you see though, and I wrote about
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: this in a piece in the Daily Signal, it's about
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: the federal prosecutions. And so what tools does the Trump
• 55:30
  Speaker 13: administration have to sort of enforce this on the states? Well,
• 55:34
  Speaker 13: they have federal prosecutors who could bring these cases when
• 55:37
  Speaker 13: they identify non-citizens on the rolls. So when the states, California,
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: Or even like in Texas, where there may be some
• 55:45
  Speaker 13: cities and counties that are basically sanctuary cities, they refuse
• 55:49
  Speaker 13: to investigate or indict non-citizens on the voter rolls.
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: The federal U.S.
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: Attorneys can come in and there can be federal prosecutions
• 55:57
  Speaker 13: to deter future behavior in this.
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: And so there's consequences. But it does make it a
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: lot more difficult.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I.
• 56:07
  Speaker 13: Try to stress the positive where it's like, look, this
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: has worked in many states before. It shouldn't be controversial
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: and all states should really adopt this.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Well, for people that want fair elections, none of it
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: should be controversial. In the state of Georgia in 2024,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: you had it going into the late night. People were
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: not expecting it to be as close as it was
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and eventually lost to the Democrats by I think it
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: was a margin of 11,000 plus, something like that. They
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: did some investigations from the state. initiated by the state
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and carried through till their conclusion. And this last year,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: we learned that in a state that had 11,000 and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: something differential in the final count, that there were more
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: than 380,000 votes that had been probably counted that should
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: not have been. On things that aren't related to this
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court case in terms of other, let's just say,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: various inconsistencies in handling of ballots and voting standards, counting standards,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: buckets arriving at 3 a.m. and so forth. Have we
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: made any progress on narrowing some of those methodologies and
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: getting them knocked out in states where they were taking place?
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: Well, I do think that there's a number of states
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: that are giving more authority to their secretary of state
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: in oversight and enforcement of the of the election laws
• 57:38
  Speaker 13: that are on the books. For example, it's one reason we.
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: At Heritage, we have an election integrity scorecard.
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: And we just released our results for 2026. But one
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: of the things we're doing in the future is we're
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: looking at enforcement and how that oversight process is. It's
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: actually very difficult to provide uniformity in the counties. It's
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: sort of the way our system is. But in the
• 58:00
  Speaker 13: states that, you know, Florida, Indiana, you know, and some
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: others have really good programs to audit and to provide
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: oversight and advice.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: Be able to investigate anomalies.
• 58:11
  Speaker 13: And frankly, not all states have that authority. And so
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: we're going to be looking at ways to incentivize that
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: with our election scorecard.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: No, that makes total sense. I'm amazed, to be honest
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: with you, at how clean and efficient Florida is. They can,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: from the time their polls close till before the 11 p.m. news,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have their entire state counted, double-checked, packed away, ready to
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: In L.A.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: County in California, you can't get primary race counted for
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: three weeks because of supposedly the ballots being still out
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: and still being counted. I mean, it's just such a
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: disaster when you look at how states that really do it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm guessing that the process is pretty simple. You
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: hold the election, you immediately start cleaning up the ballot
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: rolls for the next go around, and then you You
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: make sure that they are clean by the time the
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: next election comes around, and then you run the same
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: process all over again. It doesn't seem like it takes
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: a rocket scientist to pull this stuff off.
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: Well, I think that Florida really has shown the model
• 59:18
  Speaker 13: in a couple of different ways, not just the fact
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: that they're able to get results and audit them all
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: before 930 at night. I think it shows that they
• 59:27
  Speaker 13: used to have problems just like other states.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Where All hanging chads, I remember.
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: Well, even in recent years with recounts, when there's days
• 59:37
  Speaker 13: and days of the inability of election officials to identify
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: results or the number of ballots they have, that really
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  Speaker 13: breeds a lack of confidence in the system. And so
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  Speaker 13: Florida wanted to make sure their results were timely and complete.
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  Speaker 13: And so a state like Georgia, we probably wouldn't have
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  Speaker 13: had some of those issues if they were able to
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  Speaker 13: get those results in a timely manner. And even, you know,
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  Speaker 13: you look at California, it's really even they themselves, you know,
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  Speaker 13: they recognize that this is a problem. Even their friends
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  Speaker 13: in the media, like the Washington Post, New York Times,
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  Speaker 13: it's like, look, this has gone on way too long.
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  Speaker 13: You need to clean this up where it doesn't go
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  Speaker 13: on weeks on end. And we really could have a
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  Speaker 13: crisis again. People don't realize we could be waiting for
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  Speaker 13: to see who controls the House of Representatives once again
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  Speaker 13: waiting on California. This has been sort of the last
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  Speaker 13: four years in the midterms. We've seen that just drag
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  Speaker 13: on and on. And so it breeds a lack of confidence,
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  Speaker 13: just like Florida 2000 did. So there needs to be
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  Speaker 13: steps taken. But I think once again, when you deal
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  Speaker 13: with ideology and you deal with politics where the California
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  Speaker 13: system is designed for the politicians, the maximum time to
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  Speaker 13: get all their ballots in, it's not really for the
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  Speaker 13: voter or for confidence. this really is a problem that
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  Speaker 13: needs to be resolved. And we'll be lucky if we
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  Speaker 13: can avoid it here in 2026.
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  Speaker 2: So I want you to go to heritage.org and get
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  Speaker 2: the election integrity scorecard, see for yourself what your state
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  Speaker 2: needs to do, and then be a part of the
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  Speaker 2: solution wherever you may be. Anchorage to Miami, San Diego
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  Speaker 2: to Boston, we cover them all. So get in there
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  Speaker 2: and get it done. Don Palmer of Heritage, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: You got it. Kevin McKellar coming right back from New York.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
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  Speaker 6: Here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 1: That Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to that kevin show that kevin show.com always
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  Speaker 2: for Economic Policy at the Independent Women. She is with
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  Speaker 2: us on a regular basis. And Patrice, before we get
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  Speaker 2: into what you spoke about at this event, there was
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: a midterm convention by the Republicans just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, and you were part of it. This doesn't
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  Speaker 2: happen often. Why do you think the president and the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans felt like it was needed to do this go around.
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  Speaker 10: Well, good to see you, Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's because there's been concern that Republicans, particularly
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  Speaker 3: in Congress, have not done a good job of carrying
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  Speaker 3: their own wins forward, of telling the story of what
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: they've done in the past 18 plus months in office.
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  Speaker 10: In governing. And the biggest.
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  Speaker 3: Achievement really has been The tax cuts, the tax cuts
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: passed in 2025, the working families tax cuts. And so
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: the midterm convention was really a time to inform for
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  Speaker 3: those who didn't know or remind conservative voters that this
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  Speaker 3: they faced off, faced a massive tax increase, had Republicans
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  Speaker 3: and Republicans only pass that tax cut. And there's so
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: much in the bill. It's one of those things where
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: you find out, wow, I didn't know that was in it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: You might have heard about Trump accounts. You might have
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: heard about no tax on tips. But there's been so
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: much for small businesses. There's been so much for homeschoolers.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: There's been a lot around educational choice supporting that idea.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this was an opportunity to kind of
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  Speaker 3: jazz up conservative voters to know that, yeah, Republicans can
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: get good policies passed when they're governing. And worse, Democrats,
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  Speaker 3: if they gain control, will want to undo as much
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  Speaker 3: as possible, including, you know, right-sizing the Medicaid programs to
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  Speaker 3: make people work.
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  Speaker 10: That's a novel idea, work from food stamps.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you say all that because I
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  Speaker 2: do think that Republicans have done a pretty poor job
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  Speaker 2: of getting their message out in this cycle. And normally
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  Speaker 2: I would be very concerned about kind of the lack
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  Speaker 2: of a heartbeat that it seems like the Republicans have
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  Speaker 2: on some of the stuff that is the most important.
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  Speaker 2: Everything you just said is absolutely true. And it will
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  Speaker 2: all be undone in the snap of a finger if
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  Speaker 2: they have the chance to undo it. And not only that,
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  Speaker 2: they will reopen borders. They will do all the things
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  Speaker 2: that have kind of given us at least a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a guardrail of having our own country back
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  Speaker 2: and finding some sanity in that. And it's going to
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  Speaker 2: require a But I think it's going to require a
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  Speaker 2: much bigger effort than just putting on a show in
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  Speaker 2: Dallas for a few days. I think that people have
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  Speaker 2: to get out. They have to talk to their neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be about turnout and intensity. And because
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  Speaker 2: we don't have all of the election integrity safeguards in
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: place yet, I have a feeling that some false intensity
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: might show up on the other side. And we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to overcome that, out-turnout them, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: in a pretty amazing way. But to your other point,
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  Speaker 2: I was reading this morning really early. I was up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why I was up at like three thirty,
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  Speaker 2: but I was scrolling through and I forget which op
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  Speaker 2: ed and where I was reading it. But the the economy,
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  Speaker 2: the latest numbers on the economy look very strong. And
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: in fact, we're we're having faster economic growth than we've
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  Speaker 2: had in quite some time. Does that feel that way
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  Speaker 2: for people that you talk to on a regular basis?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it feels that way just because gas
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  Speaker 3: prices and a little bit of inflation across groceries and
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  Speaker 3: other goods is front and center for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 10: And they keep thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: They are reminded of it, obviously, by politicians and by
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  Speaker 3: the news media.
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  Speaker 10: But that said, when you think about the fact that consumer.
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  Speaker 3: Spending rose about 1% extremely fast, beating expectations, when you
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: look at investments, investments from the AI boom is powering
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: forward our economy to over 2% last quarter. And the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: initial estimate was about 1.5%. So it means the economy
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: is even growing faster than expected. Consumers are stronger, I think,
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  Speaker 3: than people give them credit for, which is why they're
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  Speaker 3: continuing to spend. And it's not just spending on milk
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  Speaker 3: and eggs and gas.
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  Speaker 10: It is still on the experiences. It is still on
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  Speaker 10: dining out.
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  Speaker 3: It is still on paying the school, the sports fees
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  Speaker 3: for fall soccer. It is still on all of those
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  Speaker 3: those quality of lifestyle experiences. And I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of Americans are not giving up right now. And so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I hope that as people think about it, OK. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm paying more than I would like for gas. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, I still have it to be
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  Speaker 3: able to pay for the dinner out on Friday night
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  Speaker 3: with my family and the movie with my girlfriends when we.
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  Speaker 10: Do a date night. These are all those, I think,
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  Speaker 10: those things that people have to put in context.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I hope that they will. The president just
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  Speaker 2: yesterday saying that more oil flew through the Strait of
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  Speaker 2: Hormuz in the last month than had in many, many years.
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  Speaker 2: He was saying it was an all-time record. that has
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: not been felt yet. And if we could just feel
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of that, I think if gas prices
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  Speaker 2: just came off 50 cents to a dollar before now,
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  Speaker 2: between now and the elections, it would be a huge difference.
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  Speaker 2: But you're right. People kind of, they just see that
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  Speaker 2: number and that's kind of what they get paralyzed by,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: forgetting that they're doing a lot of these other things
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: that the economy is allowing them to do. I want
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: to take a quick break. When we come back, you
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  Speaker 2: had a chance to address the attendees at the convention,
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  Speaker 2: and you had a very heartfelt, inspiring speech. And I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: want to ask you to kind of relay what you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: told them to tell us when we come back. She's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Patrice Onwuka of Independent Women. Kevin McCullough, glad to have
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  Speaker 2: you here.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. Here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 7: That Kevin.
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  Speaker 8: Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: Always glad to have you with us. It's That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com. Trisanta,
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  Speaker 2: my very dear friend and great mind and thinker for
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: the independent women, doing a great job analyzing all economic
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: policy and impact for them. She's the VP of Economic Policy, actually,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: and she's also now a contributing writer to the Washington Post.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And you might read her in other places, Town Hall
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: or Newsmax or some of the other spots. Patrice, you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: were given the opportunity to address the attendees of the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Republican Midterm Convention. And you took a couple of buddies
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: with you up on the stage. And it was really
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: quite inspiring. But for people that did not see it,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: what was your goal in the speech that you gave?
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  Speaker 3: My goal is pretty simple. Forget the economic policy title
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  Speaker 3: and hat that I wear.
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  Speaker 10: I'm a mom.
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  Speaker 3: I'm an everyday American who goes to the grocery store
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  Speaker 3: probably three or four times a week because my children
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: eat through snacks and drink through milk like crazy.
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  Speaker 10: And so I have a pulse on what people are
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: actually experiencing.
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  Speaker 3: And I wanted to remind folks that the tax cuts
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  Speaker 3: were really tremendous in so many ways for supporting households, families, households,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: whatever that looks like. And I talked about the no
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: tax on tips, no tax on overtimes. I was thinking
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: about my manicurist, my hairstylist. These are women who are
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: not billionaires. And so I wanted to debunk the narrative
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: that the tax cuts were just for the wealthy. No,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: more than 97% of Americans got a tax cut, meaning
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: you got a tax cut. And then I also talked
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: about the investments in our children's future and also giving
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: them a stake in our economy and a stake in
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: the free enterprise system through the Trump accounts, because we
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: really want children to understand that This is not possible.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Prosperity is not possible by giving government the reins of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: control of our economy. No, it's by leaving the money
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: in your hands to determine how you spend that money
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: in the future. And then my final point really was
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: that can be undone if Democrats, none of whom voted
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  Speaker 3: for the tax cuts, get back in power. And that's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: really scary because we've seen them already preview, Kevin, what
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  Speaker 3: they want to do.
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  Speaker 10: We've seen them introduce some legislation to undo some of.
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  Speaker 3: The working families tax cuts provisions, particularly around making sure the.
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  Speaker 10: SNAP, the food stamps enrollments. So I don't want to
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  Speaker 10: see that happen.
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  Speaker 3: And it was my deepest honor to be representing IW
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: and regular folks on that.
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  Speaker 10: Stage with my two little boys and being the.
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  Speaker 3: Embodiment of my parents' American dream when they came and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: brought me to this country 40 years ago.
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  Speaker 10: Only in America.
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  Speaker 2: And only in America do we have the types of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: inconsistency with the Democrats where they are saying that they
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: want to do all this stuff to change things. And
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: their argument is they want to do it for people
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: that are not well off and they're trying to help
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: lift people up, supposedly. None of their policies ever seem
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: to do that. But that's what they say. And yet, Patrice, yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: in a One hundred percent vote. All of the Democratic
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Senate members in the U.S. Senate voted against limiting Congress
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: from being able to trade on the markets via insider trading.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Not a single one of them in the House. You
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: had 13 Democrats side with the Republicans and say we
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: should not be practicing insider trading. And so you had
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: a Democrat and Republican majority bipartisan. That's what bipartisan is.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: It's people from both parties that agree on the same thing,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: but not a single one in the Senate would do that.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: And that's what they're basically voting in favor of, is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: being able to cheat the stock market on their behalf.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: They're protecting their interests and their donors' interests, whomever they
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: really care about. But even bigger than that, it tells
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: me how partisan they seriously are. They would rather not
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: partner with Republicans in passing bipartisan legislation before the midterms
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  Speaker 3: because they don't want to have any kind of vote
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: that would suggest that they actually are working in a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: way across the aisle.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 10: I think their.
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  Speaker 3: Goal here, their end goal is to say, oh, we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: will not help you unless you put us in power.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: American people, you have to put us in power to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: get anything done. And that does such a disservice both
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: to the lack of unity in our country, but.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 10: Also into the outcomes that we want to see.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: We want to see our members of Congress held accountable
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and not enriching themselves, which.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 10: They often do.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: You know, criticize conservatives in the Trump administration for they
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: have an opportunity to do something.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 10: And they punt it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: They make our side out to be like these scallywag,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: you know, insiders that are getting rich off every little
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: piece of information that we get. And if anybody's paid
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: any attention to like, say. I don't know, the portfolio
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: of one Nancy Pelosi over the length of time that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: she's been in office, she's become a gazillionaire, supposedly making
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: $ 135, 000 a year being a House of Representatives member or
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: whatever the salary is. It's not much. And yet somehow
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to believe that she parlayed that into perfect
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: bets on the stock market every single time that she
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: placed a buy. It always turned into profit. My portfolio
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't do that. I would love to know what the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: secret sauce is, but I think we all do. It's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: they're cheating and they're cheating at our expense. And then
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: they're turning around and chastising those that don't have that
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: privileged position to do it. And when you combine that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: kind of mindset with the threat that someone like an
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Abdul El-Sayed represents or Others that are running, there's a
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: congressional seat in New Jersey that's probably going to go
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: to a pretty hardened Islamic radical. We're putting people in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: office that agree with folks who hate us. This is
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: a really strange experience for any political party in America
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: to be in.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: Well, it's so dangerous because what they represent is the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: actual undoing of every bit of prosperity, of progress, of
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: economic mobility for the least of these to the greatest
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: of these. I mean, I look at these DSA candidates,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: what they want to do. They don't want to make
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: our economy more accessible for everybody. They don't want to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: make it easier for you to get in and start
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: your business. They want to disrupt everything and turn it
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: over into an entirely government-owned, run, and dictated economy. And
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: under that kind of situation, you have no incentive to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: produce something. You have no incentive to take your extra
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: time and effort and work and build something great that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: hires people, that adds value to our economy, that adds
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: value to communities.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 10: That's not what they're after.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, they use the buzzword of affordability.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: They make some promises, but they never deliver.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: And what they end up leaving people is in worse
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: situations than they had before. I hope Americans can take
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: the blinders off and see a snake oil salesman for
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: who he is or.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 10: Who she is.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, appreciate all that you're doing to get that message
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: loud and clear.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 10: Trying to.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, and we'll talk to you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: again soon.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough coming right back from New York.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: Stay here.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 11: Stick around for more of That Kevin. Serving it up
• 1:16:49
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  Speaker 7: It's that Kevin Mac show.
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  Speaker 2: Every heart declare it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: Every voice proclaim. Jesus, you are worthy. Yesterday the same.
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  Speaker 7: Let the earth keep singing.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Let All right. So glad you're with us. Final few
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  Speaker 2: minutes of the full show today. Kevin McCullough saying thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That is yesterday the same. I debuted it. So if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't get the full song, go back and listen
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  Speaker 2: or just go over to Spotify where it debuted. And
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  Speaker 2: we're grateful. We didn't put any like real big marketing
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  Speaker 2: push behind it or anything, because this is this is
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  Speaker 2: the one song we wrote very different than the Christmas
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  Speaker 2: record last year that we just want to give back
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  Speaker 2: to God. It is a song that we've been working
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  Speaker 2: on since before the Christmas record started. And it's been
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest labors of love that we've done.
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  Speaker 2: And yet that is the stuff that I think that
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  Speaker 2: we're going to sing in heaven. Every heart declare it.
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  Speaker 2: Every voice proclaim, Jesus, you are worthy. Yesterday the same
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  Speaker 2: as you were the day before that and the day
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  Speaker 2: before that and the day before that. You've always been faithful.
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  Speaker 2: You've always loved us. So we decided as the group
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  Speaker 2: that we're going to do a few things with this song.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, we're not going to keep any of
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  Speaker 2: the proceeds of the song at all. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: give them all away. We also are going to make
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  Speaker 2: available at no cost the lyric sheet, the chord chart,
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  Speaker 2: and we're working on a variety of alternative productions of
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  Speaker 2: the song. So for instance, this is going to blow
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  Speaker 2: Lady Tanika's mind. And I hope she's not stuck with
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  Speaker 2: any of the administrative part of this. She won't be.
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  Speaker 2: We have people for that. But here's the thing. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to do a choral version. If your church is
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  Speaker 2: more traditional or high church, In its approach, we've written
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  Speaker 2: and orchestrated a choral version of this. There's a singer-songwriter version,
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  Speaker 2: which doesn't have all of the bells and whistles and
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  Speaker 2: reverb and all the other stuff that's in that version.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of the radio version, the regular version. There's
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  Speaker 2: an instrumental version. We've done an a cappella version. We've
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  Speaker 2: got various degrees of differences in but really designed for
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  Speaker 2: a wide range of styles because we don't want the
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  Speaker 2: words to go unsung. So we've got the charts, we've
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  Speaker 2: got the lyric sheets, we've got all the different versions,
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  Speaker 2: and we will make them available to any person who
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  Speaker 2: writes us. You don't have to be part of your
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  Speaker 2: worship team at your church. You could get it and
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  Speaker 2: forward it to your worship team. That would be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Or you could have them write and receive it as well.
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  Speaker 2: But if you would like a copy of the worship
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  Speaker 2: leading kit for Yesterday the Same, and it is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a kit. There's going to be a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of stuff in there. Just send us an email to
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  Speaker 2: thatkevinshow at gmail.com and put yesterday in the subject line. Yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It'll have probably four or five different versions of the song.
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  Speaker 2: plus the lyric sheets, plus the chord charts, plus everything that...
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  Speaker 2: We're even going to put it up on Moises, which
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  Speaker 2: is the musical app that Charlie Puth uses. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to make the stems available. So if you want to
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  Speaker 2: sing it as a vocalist and take Ali and Jay's
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  Speaker 2: parts out and just sing with the instrumentation, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to make that available as well. That link will be
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  Speaker 2: in there. Our goal... long-term is just to see the
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  Speaker 2: church sing this song to help every person in the
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  Speaker 2: church know that their heart should declare that their voice
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  Speaker 2: should proclaim that Jesus is worthy. That's the purpose. That's
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  Speaker 2: the goal. That's, that's what it's all about. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that Kevin show at gmail.com put yesterday in the subject line,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll be glad to send it to you yesterday
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  Speaker 2: in the subject line, send it to that Kevin show.com.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough. Very glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 1: Take care.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.