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How Night Terrors Work · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's childs to be Chuck Bryant,
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  Speaker 1: and there's Yep, there's Jerry. Uh. This is Stuff you
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  Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast. Uh, we are in our deep
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  Speaker 1: freeze chamber. Yeah, it's a little cold in here. It's
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  Speaker 1: freezing and I'm never freezing. No, I don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, Like I just video producer Casey just
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  Speaker 1: pushed a big rack of frozen beef carcasses by So
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  Speaker 1: I think they're moonlighting, you know, is a is a
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  Speaker 1: beef carcass freezer the butcher. When I said I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it's going on, I meant literally, I'm confused from
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  Speaker 1: hypothermia setting in facting my brain. You're just generally confused
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  Speaker 1: about everything. Yeah, well, it's it's cold, cold as age,
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  Speaker 1: cold as heck. Chuck, Yes, have you my friend ever
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  Speaker 1: had what's commonly referred to as a night terror. Um,
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  Speaker 1: are you referring to a sleep terror or pavoor nocturnus
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  Speaker 1: or axis one colon three oh seven point four six,
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  Speaker 1: or uh possession by a demon? No? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't either. I would probably remember, I would think
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  Speaker 1: as a child having these, although not necessarily unless your
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  Speaker 1: mom or dad said, hey, there's something really wrong with
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  Speaker 1: your kid, well, it would have been a thing. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, right, yeah, because yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna say thank goodness that we didn't have that,
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  Speaker 1: but really thank goodness for our family, because when you
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  Speaker 1: have a night teror sleep tear, you typically aren't capable
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  Speaker 1: of forming any kind of memory of the event, certainly
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  Speaker 1: of anything that's driving you crazy with fear. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: wake up, you're surrounded by your entire family who's like
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  Speaker 1: sweating bullets with looks of terror on their faces, shaking,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, what's what's going on? Yeah? Where the pancakes?
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say twinkies? But yeah, did you eat
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  Speaker 1: twinkies for breakfast as a child? Well? No, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of more imagine this happening at like two in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Got you. You know, nobody wants to cook being grabbed
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  Speaker 1: twinkie pretty easy, I bet what would be good since
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  Speaker 1: I recently invented the recy cat, all right, and people
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  Speaker 1: actually ate them. Um, take a twinkie, get a pan
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  Speaker 1: hot oh yeah, spray it with some or even better,
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  Speaker 1: get some get a stick of butter and run it
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  Speaker 1: over the pan, and then get one of those bacon
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  Speaker 1: grill presses and then small two twinkies down. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you should do that last part and griddle
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  Speaker 1: them up nice and crispy. Okay, wow, yeah, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: should do whether they're really golden brown and not just
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  Speaker 1: fake golden brown. Man, that'd be good. You know. I
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  Speaker 1: quit ultra processed foods, but I might try that. Actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm joking. Of course I would never do that.
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  Speaker 1: I had a twinkie and I think I ate one
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  Speaker 1: for that episode. But I don't think I've had too
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  Speaker 1: many sense then either. But that sounds good. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: just said a crisp, buttery twinkie, and it does sound
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  Speaker 1: kind of good. That's what stinks about having extra pounds,
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  Speaker 1: as people probably say, yeah, chuck to seat twinkies all day. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they call you twinkie behind your back. I don't fried
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  Speaker 1: chicken all day, that's my problem. Oh yeah, yeah, fried
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  Speaker 1: chicken will do it. But it can really be worth
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  Speaker 1: it depending on the fried chicken to be raised in
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  Speaker 1: the South. Where's the best place around here? Well, some
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  Speaker 1: of the grocery stores around here have great fried chicken
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  Speaker 1: in their deli. Really, yeah, that's my like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: go to like fast food fried chicken. Oh yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not surprised about that, but I figured you'd
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  Speaker 1: say something like Mary Max or something like that. Occasionally
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  Speaker 1: at a at a nice restaurant that has, you know,
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  Speaker 1: over priced fried chicken, I'll try it. Mary Max is
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  Speaker 1: good pretty much across the board with everything. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: ever had their um mint julip. No, it is so tasty, huge,
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  Speaker 1: that is it. Yes, it's just great. Well that's because
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  Speaker 1: they have to satisfy the aging alcoholics that go there
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  Speaker 1: for lunch drinks. Mary max Tea Room is in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. Oh yeah, everybody knows. It's a classic
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  Speaker 1: old school Southern restaurant. But but you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: team room, so it's supposed to be a little nicer.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like a meat and three right exactly, but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and uh Mary Max is also very famous for Mary
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  Speaker 1: Mack having suffered night terrors as child. Yeah. See, people
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  Speaker 1: thought we were on a tangent. Nope, not true. No,
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  Speaker 1: that was all all written out. So night terrors. I
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  Speaker 1: have never had them that I know of. I did
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  Speaker 1: recount my sleep walking, uh episode in our sleepwalking episode.
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  Speaker 1: Well put and by the way, we did sleepwalking is
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  Speaker 1: science phasing out sleep? October? Is sleep that important? September two, Robust,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen minute episode Sleepwalking August? Is there a disease that
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  Speaker 1: kills us by preventing sleep? October? And that's it? What
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  Speaker 1: about lucid dreaming? Okay? Yeah, sure? And then but I
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  Speaker 1: typed in sleep as the keyword, so it didn't come up.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple more even that a dreams
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  Speaker 1: would have brought up a few more than you're right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, if people want to hear everything, we know,
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  Speaker 1: sleep sweet, the sleep sweet, that's it. Um. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't done. Oh and then by this time we'll
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  Speaker 1: have done. Uh. What was the one we just recorded
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  Speaker 1: about sleep? Gettysburg address It was a paras omnia too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh geez man, we just recorded. It hasn't even been
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  Speaker 1: released at this moment. You know what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, but you put me on the spot,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't think of anything. I can't either put
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  Speaker 1: both of us. It'll be added to the sleep suite eventually.
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  Speaker 1: And here's another contribution. So we're talking night tears. Like
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  Speaker 1: you said, there's some other terms for it. Apparently, if
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  Speaker 1: you're serious about researching night tears, you call him sleep tears.
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  Speaker 1: Because this was pointed out by a couple of pedantic sites.
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  Speaker 1: That can happen anytime you sleep, if you take a
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  Speaker 1: nap during the day, you can suffer one of them.
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  Speaker 1: So you really shouldn't call him night tears. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you're one of those six year olds that works the
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  Speaker 1: late shift and he's sleep all day long, that is
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  Speaker 1: severely pedantic. But that's I was being unfair because adults
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  Speaker 1: can get them, although it's uh much more common in children.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say between four and twelve. The best number
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  Speaker 1: we have is about six six. Um, there is one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know about this one. One study said,
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  Speaker 1: but I think we should just throw that out the door,
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  Speaker 1: because nowhere else did I see that. Yeah, there's a, Oh, really,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't see that one. No, No, I didn't. I
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  Speaker 1: mostly saw about around somewhere around six percent of kids
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  Speaker 1: from anywhere between two and a half to twelve years
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  Speaker 1: of age UM typically will suffer night terrors. And there's
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  Speaker 1: like you're going to find out that there very few
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  Speaker 1: things that are known about night terrors sleep tears. UM,
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  Speaker 1: there's like tantalizing clues here there, but no one's ever
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  Speaker 1: sat down and really like connected the dots. There's nobody.
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  Speaker 1: There is virtually no sleep terror researcher that I came across.
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  Speaker 1: I came across a few academics talking about it, and
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  Speaker 1: there've been like apparently a few studies or whatever, but
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  Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be anybody who's focused on night tares.
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  Speaker 1: Which is really strange to me because if you do
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  Speaker 1: kind of start doing research about night tears, you find
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  Speaker 1: that there is a lot of anxiety among parents. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: This would help a lot of people, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: families who are disturbed by this. Well, I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: being a parent and having your kid like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a nightmare. We're going to make the distinction
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  Speaker 1: over and over. It's it's different it happens in a
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  Speaker 1: different time, which we'll get to during sleep, but it
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  Speaker 1: is uh, it is terror, like hyperventilating and your heart
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  Speaker 1: rate is increased, your your eyes might be opening. You're
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  Speaker 1: still asleep. You talk about terrifying and your people will dilate.
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  Speaker 1: That's the stuff of nightmares, Like you've got the fight
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  Speaker 1: or flight response going on. That's while you're asleep and
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  Speaker 1: can't have your eyes upen Could you imagine anything more creepy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's very creepy. Well, that's that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the problem. I think that's one of the things,
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  Speaker 1: not just being woken up by your kid having a
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  Speaker 1: night tearor um. The fact that they're moving around like
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  Speaker 1: they're scared to death, but there's nothing and they're like
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  Speaker 1: walking around. They're like pushing you out of the way.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're they're interacting with the world as if they're
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  Speaker 1: awake and scared out of their minds. But you can't
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  Speaker 1: connect with them, you can't console them because they're asleep.
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  Speaker 1: They're not actually interacting with you. They're not hearing your
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  Speaker 1: reassurances because they're not awake right now. They're in another world,
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  Speaker 1: the world of sleep. It's really bizarre. Are you sure
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  Speaker 1: they can't hear? Yeah, you have to wake them up,
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  Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to do that. Secondly, but they're
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  Speaker 1: not there. They're they're they're physically and they're acting like
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  Speaker 1: they're they're they're not there, so you're they're literally inconsolable
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  Speaker 1: at that point while they're having a night tare So Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for a parent and this is your little two or
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  Speaker 1: three year old kid suffering this, you can't do anything
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  Speaker 1: about it. You just have to wait for it to
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  Speaker 1: go away. And these things can last up to like
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  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and there's nothing you can do aside from
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  Speaker 1: keeping them from harming themselves. Yeah. Plus that means you're
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  Speaker 1: awake for twenty minutes when you you should be sleeping,
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  Speaker 1: just pounding twinkies. Uh. Gender wise, boys and girls get
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  Speaker 1: it about the same, so it's really no difference. And um,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like menstruation as no gender specific specific as
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  Speaker 1: far as I know, we haven't done an episode on
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  Speaker 1: that specifically. Though. We did female puberty. That that's that's enough?
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  Speaker 1: Is that all? Yeah? We did male puberty and female puberty.
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  Speaker 1: No more. I shouldn't have even brought it up. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so gender doesn't matter. And um, they typically tail off
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  Speaker 1: after you're a little kid, but you can't get them
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  Speaker 1: as adults. And they say, after sixty five years old,
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  Speaker 1: you were almost certain to not have a sleep terror.
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  Speaker 1: And I just assume it's because nothing scares you at
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  Speaker 1: that point. You've seen it all teenagers. Yea, the you're
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  Speaker 1: you're impending death in teenagers, um, which probably reminds you
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  Speaker 1: of your impending death. Really the world changing and all that. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a clue right there. Over sixty five night terrors
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  Speaker 1: are almost unheard of. Another little tranche of life where
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  Speaker 1: they're very much unheard of his adolescence. So you might
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  Speaker 1: have them, um, when you're prepubescent, and then they go
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  Speaker 1: away during adolescence, then they might pick up again as
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  Speaker 1: an adult. Um. You know what's going on there. It
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  Speaker 1: seems to be as far as like the very few
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  Speaker 1: people who are thinking about this stuff, there seems to
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  Speaker 1: be some sort of agreement that it has to do
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  Speaker 1: especially in children with the developing central nervous system. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, that's a great place for us to take
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  Speaker 1: a break, so I can go look up what central
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  Speaker 1: nervous system means. All right, you said, central nervous system,
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  Speaker 1: and um, you know what it means. I do. I
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  Speaker 1: went and looked it up. This descending string of nerves
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  Speaker 1: that goes down from your brain and hangs down over
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  Speaker 1: your body. That's right, I think like a marry net. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is very much like that. Um. So wow, that
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  Speaker 1: was a great analogy. Actually, he just blew my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. So you just tease before we left about
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  Speaker 1: having to do with the central nervous system. Um, apparently
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  Speaker 1: our our CNS matures up until the age of about
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  Speaker 1: do you know what CNS means? Central nervous is right? Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I was kind of surprised at I was shocked
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  Speaker 1: at that was that late. Apparently it's a fairly recent
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  Speaker 1: finding relief among science that it used to be you
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  Speaker 1: know eight, you know, end of puberty. Um, Nope. Supposedly
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  Speaker 1: now they believe the CNS keeps going and developing until uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about sleep. I know
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  Speaker 1: we covered this in that awesome thirteen minute episode How
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  Speaker 1: Sleep Works. Yeah, just the stages of sleep. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like this was better explained than our entire thirteen
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  Speaker 1: minute episode. Yeah, and that we talked about in the
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  Speaker 1: Dreams Episode two, And we had a TV episode of
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  Speaker 1: our Science Channel show called Night Terror. Yeah, poor Kent
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  Speaker 1: clinking Beard slept, walked, you had sleep back me all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of terrible stuff. That was a fun episode. That
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  Speaker 1: was um and and there's even a continuity mistake in
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  Speaker 1: that episode if you remember probably several um did you know?
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  Speaker 1: Our first three episodes are up on YouTube in full.
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  Speaker 1: I think somebody actually sat there with their phone and
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  Speaker 1: recorded it on their computer and then posted it to YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Now is it the real first episode? Meaning the pilot
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  Speaker 1: that was the eleventh episode was the one that they
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  Speaker 1: aired first. It was actually episode two, but it was
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  Speaker 1: called episode one, wasn't it? All I know is coffee? Coffee?
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  Speaker 1: But that was the first one, wasn't it? That was
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  Speaker 1: episode one? It wasn't episode two? Yeah, that was the pilot.
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  Speaker 1: The pilot was episode eleven. Yeah, but that was totally
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  Speaker 1: different format. No, the pilot remember it was broken up
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  Speaker 1: between body dysmorphic disorder and zombies. Oh no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's the pilot now, that wasn't it was? That was
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  Speaker 1: the That was what we shot as proof of concept
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  Speaker 1: that they ended up airing as the pilot. They call
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: it pilos where but the pilot episode of the real
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: show when we actually we're in a different location was
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  Speaker 1: was Coffee Bought? Which they aired I guess tenth coffee
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  Speaker 1: about air first? No, it didn't really, Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: the rub Man. It's like, why would you air the
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  Speaker 1: pilot last? Well, we aired the pilot last twice because
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  Speaker 1: they showed the proof of concept one at the end. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they hated the show so much they decided to air
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  Speaker 1: one extra episode. Oh man, what a rabbit hole that
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  Speaker 1: was so uh talk about it. Yeah, this this article
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  Speaker 1: here says we spent about a third of our lives
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  Speaker 1: in deep sleep. Well that's not true, just sleeping and um,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Well it depends on the person, of course. Sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's true. I equate that with this sitting
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: at red lights thing. I've always been suspicious of that, Like,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: it depends on where you are, spend how much you drive? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: x number of days at a red light. Yeah, these
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  Speaker 1: are broad uh percentages, I think. Yeah, Um, I have
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  Speaker 1: a friend that is so like that. I think started
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  Speaker 1: worrying about his death early on in life and trained
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  Speaker 1: himself to get as little asleep as possible so he
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  Speaker 1: could do more. Oh that's neat and dude, since I've
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  Speaker 1: known him in the in his early twenties, has been
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  Speaker 1: getting like five hours or less sleep at night and
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  Speaker 1: it's good. He's good with that too. Um, he should
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  Speaker 1: listen to that is Science Phasing out sleep episode because
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  Speaker 1: it was remember a lot about pills that help you, um,
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  Speaker 1: stay up for forty eight hours and then just sleep
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  Speaker 1: for the normal like eight. He didn't eat pills, he
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  Speaker 1: just trained himself high. Yeah that's pretty interesting. Um. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so when we go to shweepy time. Uh, there's something
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  Speaker 1: called a dinner scene ADNNI sign a chemical that starts
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  Speaker 1: to build up in your body, your brain, your brain,
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  Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, Oh, it's a neurotransmitter and at the
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  Speaker 1: very least as present in your brain. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's manufactured there. You know, a lot of your serotonine,
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  Speaker 1: like a tremendous amount of your serotonin is actually producing
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  Speaker 1: your gut. That that doesn't surprise me. It was surprising
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  Speaker 1: to me the first time I heard it because you
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  Speaker 1: think it's a brain. It's a new transmitter, so obviously
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  Speaker 1: the brains can generate Nope, most of it's in your gut. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it didn't surprise me, and that
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  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of healthy gut um life
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  Speaker 1: life like a healthy gut can affect way more parts
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  Speaker 1: of your life there, just like digestion. Um. So anyway, um,
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  Speaker 1: that builds up the adenna scene and then uh, serotonin,
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  Speaker 1: like you mentioned that goes to the brain and says,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: all right, let's shut it down for the night. Shut
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  Speaker 1: it down, everybody. You don't have to go home, but
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  Speaker 1: you can't stay here exactly. Then they play Rick Astley
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  Speaker 1: on the loudspeaker. Oh, is that what they do to
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  Speaker 1: get people out? Well, every bar has her own song. Okay,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: is Rick Astley go to though? You think I could
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  Speaker 1: see it? Yeah? I used to play at Mexicali Grill
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  Speaker 1: in college. I would play when we had the the
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  Speaker 1: Eek fraternity big groups on the deck late at night.
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  Speaker 1: I would play Public Enemy really loud. Oh yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: they didn't like it, I'm sure, and we loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Drove him out and they went back to the fraternity
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  Speaker 1: house and did whatever they do there. Watch Dr Quinn
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  Speaker 1: medicine woman. Is that what they're doing there? Is a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: great letterman top I used to have this book of
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Letterman Top ten lists from the nineties. Probably a third
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of the jokes that I've said on this show really
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  Speaker 1: are like rooted in that book, and that was one
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  Speaker 1: of them. It was like top ten signs You're in
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  Speaker 1: a bad fraternity. It was like, every Saturday Night is
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  Speaker 1: Dr Quinn Medicine Woman Night? Your your secret fraternity handshake
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  Speaker 1: consists of quietly holding hands for long periods of time.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Zee mckagar's I think Dr Quinn Medicine Woman is probably
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  Speaker 1: top five least cool shows of all time. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: murder she wrote this up there. Okay, fine, it's not cool.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I watched that show at least once a week. Still,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I love that show. Where do you find it on Netflix? Yah?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably on Amazon Prime. Do you really
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: watch that? I really genuinely like in in a totally
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: non ironic way. Well, Angela Lansbury is pretty sexy. I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: don't know about that, but it's just it's a cozy
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: little show, especially you know, she travels abroad and and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: goes to Europe and in New York A lot those
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: episodes are like so so for me. The ones that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: are set in Cabot Cove and there's like a storm
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and a murderer Maine. I think. Um, so it's like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: a quiet little town and you know, something happens and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it's just like a cozy show. You can't can't stand it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And it's not like she doesn't like the show itself,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it's just like, um, Angela Lansbury is such like a
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: schoolmarm to her. She always feels like she's in trouble.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Now on the background, Yeah, that's funny. So she's not
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a big murder she wrote fan Uh did she just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: walk through when it's on and be like, stop telling
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: me what to do? Angela? No, I won't go to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: my room. Um, all right, so where are we were
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: falling asleep because the because Murder she wrote on because
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Murder she wrotes on. And then we enter stage one
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of five four h five, well technically five yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: so there's four stages and then a fifth an encore.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah I guess yeah, it doesn't isn't considered a stage,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's its own thing. Well. Stage one is when you're
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you're sort of in that place where if things are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all good and you're not super anxious, don't have a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. It's nice and quiet, it's dark. Um,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that means you're heading into sleep. If things are not great,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: or you're anxious, or something's disturbing you, you could fall
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: back awake from stage one, that tenuous period. Stage one. Yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that is stage one. If you have a book, you're
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: going to sleep in stage one. That's right. It was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: exploding head syndrome. That was the one. So you go
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on to stage two, start drifting off, and this is
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: apparently where you spend a lot of your sleep time,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: although I don't know that this is necessarily true, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: your your brain waves start to take on a different form.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I think they go from alpha to maybe beta. Okay,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they're slowing down a little bit, you're calmed down, you're
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: not thinking quite as much. Um, your eye movement stops,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and you're just basically in that twilight period where you're
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you're basically sleepy, but you could be awakened fairly easily
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: until you get the stage three. Yeah, that's when things
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: get real. That's when. Um. These there's something called delta waves,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and they were discovered by a guy named W. Gray
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Walter the nineteen hundreds who was very gracious not to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: insist that they're called alter waves. Totally would have He's like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: go with delta Uh. They operate between zero and four hurts,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and those delta waves are what makes they're They're responsible
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: for the restorative aspect of sleep, like when you wake
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: up and you feel great and refreshed, say thank you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: delta waves. And um that doctor I guess he was
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a doctor, doctor Walter Um. He was a student of Hanburger.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Hansburger mhm man. That's close. It's so so you shouldn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: name your kid Hansburger. Uh. Hansburger Uh invented the E
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: E G machine, and then Gray went on to make
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that machine a little bit better. He improved upon it,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: which is what allowed him to discover these knobs are ugly.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna place him with orange. One looks old. So
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that allowed him to discover the delta waves, which are great.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Those those are that's those are my favorite brainway. Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Even the name delta waves just sounds very soothing to me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Del to right. So you're in did you say stage
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: four or three? That's things get cranking up in three
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and by the time you're at four, it's all delta
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: waste and and like you said, that's where you get
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that RESTful sleep because this is where tissue regeneration and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: repair takes place. Your brain is shut down, like your
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: your executive function is turned off. You're not thinking, you're
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: not judging, you're not chewing over like all the stupid
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: things that you said wrong and how you could have
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: said them better that day, none of that's going on. Um,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you're just kind of out like a light. But your
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: motor strip is still conceivably active, it can be UM,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and your emotional centers are able to be activated as well.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: For the most part, they're not. You're just out right right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Then after stage four you totally shift gears and you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: enter R E M sleep. So the first four stages
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are non r E M sleep, and then you enter
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: R E M sleep rapid eye movement sleep, and it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: called that because your eyes just go nuts so all
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: over the place. The rest of your body is paralyzed,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and your brain turns back on and starts producing producing
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the same brain waves alpha waves that you have when
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you're awake. So you're thinking, you're dreaming, you're doing all
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this stuff, but your body is paralyzed, right, and then
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the whole thing starts over again. After about ninety minutes,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you go back into stage one sleep. Okay, yeah, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: whatever you do during R A M Sleep, don't go
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: back to Rockville. It's terrible. What's funny is I think
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you make that joke every time we talk about the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: stages of sleep. Well, I do, but it's a different
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: song every time. Okay, Yeah, it's just a bad r
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: M reference. You're right. I just feel like I have
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to I'm with you, I'm with you someone. I wish
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: someone would send us a list of my dumb R
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: E M jokes from all of our very sleep people.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Don't waste your lives, yeah's yours? Go volunteer for a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: charity instead. So um, the whole that whole cycle between
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the four stages and R E M Sleep takes about
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: ninety minutes, and then through about the first half of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: say you're say you're getting a good eight hours. First
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: four hours, those first four stages are going to take
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: up most of that ninety minutes to ten minutes, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: R E M is going to be less. And then
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about halfway through your R E M is gonna start
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: getting longer and longer. In the cycle. Right, So the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: second half of your sleep you're dreaming more. But again
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it's the important point here is during stage three and four,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you're not dreaming. You're just out like a light. Yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and I guess that what you just said before that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: explains why I often feel like I, um remember my
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: dreams or dream heavier towards my waking hours. Yeah. Well. Plus, also,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: if you are in R. A E. M sleep and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you awaken from it rather than awakening during one of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: your other sleep cycles, you're going to remember your dream
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: because you're you're regaining consciousness, you're awakening. But again, your
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: brain has been on the whole time. You're just becoming
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: aware of what you were just thinking. So you're gonna
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: be able to form those memories when you're sleeping in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: say stage three or four. Is we'll see you don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: form memories because your brain is not working like that. Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I probably asked you this in one of our dreamcasts.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But are you able to pick up a dream after
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you've woken up and and it's something you want to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, resolve or keep doing? Not really, I've gotten
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: pretty good at that, have you. That's pretty neat? Yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I don't it's not quite dream sailing like we talked about, um,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: but I definitely like it happened this week. I was
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: having a dream that was great, and I woke up,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: went and used the bathroom sitting down so I don't
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: wake up enough. And then I was like, all right,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and I just like think about nothing but that as
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I go back to sleep. Okay, where was I? Yeah,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I got right back in it. That's awesome, man, that's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: pretty neat. But I'm still not which is the one
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: where you control the dream? Is that dreaming? I wouldn't
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: say that. I'm that's where you're like, and now I'm
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: going to fly watch this and then you fly in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: your dream. Can't do that, all right? So those are
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the stages. Good extra info there by the way, I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: didn't know that about the varying time cycle as you sleep.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I thought it was sort of all equal. I bring it,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you do bring it. Um. So what they do know
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: about night terrors or sleep terrors is between three and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: four stages. Three and four is when this is happening. Yes,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: in other words, it part of it has to do
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: with this transition that happens between the stages. They just
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly why. No, And it doesn't really make
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: sense because both stages three and four are considered deep sleep.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It's just deep sleep and super deep sleep. It's something
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: during that transition can cause night terrors. Yeah, and the nightmares.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we fully said this. Nightmares occur
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: only during R E. M sleep, but uh, that's one
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: distinguishing factor from night terrors, and the fact that you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: can you know, you can remember a nightmare. I can't
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: remember a night terror. Nope. You wake up and you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: might still feel fearful for some reason, but you you
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: don't wake up and say, there was a beast in
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: my room trying to kill me. It's kind of like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: how when you're watching Law and Order and you're like
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: super into it and like you just hate the murderer
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in this episode, and then on comes like um, like
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a Sharman ad and you're like this, why do I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: feel so like mad? And then you realize, oh, it's
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: because I'm still keyed up from Law and Order. Same
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: thing with the night tear, Like you don't remember why
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you're fearful, you just feel fearful. Still, it hasn't subsided.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that show, but I was hanging in there.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: You've never seen Law and Order? Huh, No, that is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: not possible. I don't watch many major network TV shows.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Law and Order has been on for like twenty years,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and you've never seen a Law and Order. No, they're
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: missing out. I've never seen cs. I've never seen any
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of those shows. That's fine, you're missing out a little bit.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: With lawn Or, it's a really great procedural cop drama.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Now that's the one with Len that had Jerry or
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: back right, Lenny who? I love that guy. He's great,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But he's not the only one that's great. Like virtually
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: every single person who's been on this rotating cast has
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: done a great job. Didn't say by the Bell guy
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: get on there? Or was that another back? Yeah? Didn't he?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Eventually he was on one of those procedurals. He was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: on a lawyer procedural with one of the guys from Clueless.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, the skateboarder from Clueless. What? Yeah? They were
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: like goofy lawyers. Oh no, no, no, that's a different one.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I know you're talking about that. I don't. I don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: know if Zach was ever a cop. Oh no, I'm
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: thinking of Ricky Schroeder, didn't he end up on law,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Law and Order. Boy, this is one of those moments
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: where people are screaming at the computer right now. So
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I genuinely don't think it was long and Order, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it was something like that. I know what you're talking about.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and we'll figure out.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: You can be Ricky Schroeder and I'll be Zach right
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: ready to one. Okay, all right, So where we left
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: off was that they're not sure why it happens between
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: three and four. They think it has something to do
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: with what they call a snag in this transition. It's
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: pretty SCIENTI yeah, it's a snag, so yeah, pretty much
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: did I again? They think it has to do with
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: your central nervous system still growing. But I mean, that's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: weird because it only happens in some kids, and like
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that exploding head syndrome, it happens in just the same way.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So there's there's something amiss here. It can't it's not
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: just like a normal aspect of childhood, you know. So
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that would mean that there's a snag in the development
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of central nervous system that it was was could happen
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in a certain way a certain prescribed way. Yeah, I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Um, not at least one person does.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: It does run in the family, um, seemingly or oftentimes. Um.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Stress and anxiety can be a big trigger sleep apnea, Uh,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: sleep deprivation if you have migraines, UM, thyroid hormones being
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: produced too much, too much booze, a lot of booze. Uh.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you're sleeping out at summer camp or somewhere
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: else you've never been. Yeah. Apparently they have linked stressed
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to it. Like I guess some parents have noticed that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the kid has a particularly stressful day, they may be
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: predisposed of having a night tare boys stress on kids?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That's just heartbreaking. Well, it's also been to basically all
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: forms of abuse. Yeah, it leads to a higher risk
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of night terrors. And they have found that if you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a small percentage of kids who experienced night tabors, terrors
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: might go on to have psychosis later in life. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: saw that too, So I saw like that that was
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: widely reported. There was one study that found it, but
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it was a decent studies six kids, and it found
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that kids who have night terrors are eight times likely
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: or to experience psychosis later on in life, like you said, uh,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and they have found there it can develop along with anxiety,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder, and depression. In adults. It can be co
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: morbid with those correct. I hate that word, but it
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: gets it across, it does. It's just feel morbid, just sounds.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You know. They should have come up with a different word,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like hygienic. Co hygienic. That's the word you hate, right, yeah, morbid.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's one of those words that means
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: two completely different things. And why why do that just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have a different word. Well, let's come up with it
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: right now. I don't give me, give me some letters. No, okay,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think that was a wise decision. Um. They used
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to give you meds. Uh. Nowadays they don't do that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: so much. So I saw that in this article, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I also saw elsewhere that they're like, nope, med's best
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: thing to do. If your kid has horrible nights, give
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: them valium, like basically benzo diazepines, which are things like valium.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I think some antidepressants are benzo as a peans, but
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: something that will just knock you out and you're not
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: gonna have a night there, or any kind of interrupted sleep.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Apparently if it's bad enough, they will prescribe those. I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: sure it's not like their go to like here, let's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: give your kids these chemicals pharmaceuticals. But I think it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: um it's still on the table. And I saw this
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: report in a number of different places that um, there's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a reported case of some kid who had forty episodes
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of night terrors in a single night. Wow, yeah, you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: would give that kid valium? Holy cow? Yeah yeah, because
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: think about it, like, even if the kids not remembering
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: what's going on, that's still having like the fight or
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: flight effect forty times in a single night on its
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: little central nervous or central nervous system. It's not good.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So you'd be way better off just giving the kid valum.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Then one thing that um they found is that a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: lot of times if you have two pepe that can
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: bring on a night terror if your bladder is really full.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Uh So what they do in that case is they
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: recommend you, um, wake your kid up a couple hours
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: into sleep and go, um take uh take the little
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: boy or girl to the bathroom, put them back to sleep.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And the thing that I saw about that, though, I'm
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: sure that that has something to do with it. But
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I also think that they are inadvertently following what's called
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: scheduled awakening, which is the the go to treatment for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: night tares. Yeah, I mean it's exactly what it sounds like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: which is you try and I mean I guess you
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have to time it out pretty well. Yeah, but there
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: apparently are very predictable. Like if your kid suffers from
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: night tears on a regular basis, they're gonna have them
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: at about the same time every night. So you just
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: wake your kid up like ten minutes before then you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: like five seconds before that. You wait, um, you you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: wake him up just ten fifteen minutes something like that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: before they normally have a night tare. Um, give them
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: some water something like, tuck them in a little bit.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But you roused them enough that you are preventing them
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: from going into such deep sleep that they'll have a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: night tare. So they kind of dipped down towards sleep, um,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: but or towards that super deep sleep, but never so
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: much that they experience a night tare. But they're still
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: getting good sleep, better sleep because they're they're um not
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: experiencing the fight or flighters. Because I was wondering about
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that about disrupting the sleep pattern. But if yeah, that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: sounds like it's a win win. Yeah, allegedly they're they're
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: still getting great sleep. Um. And I do want to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: mention too with the bladder problem. I've said this before
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: in the show and it is my duty as always
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to say it again. It was a late bed wetter.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And I always like to say this on the show
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: because kids out there that listen to this, if you're
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: late bed wetter, don't don't be ashamed. Nothing to be
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: ashamed about. It happens. It's hereditary. I went to bed
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: till I was wellve ish and no, it was about twelve,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and um, it was you know, a lot of anxiety
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: for a little chucky spending that out and stuff. So
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're listening out there and you're a
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: late bedwetter, just hang in there. It'll stop. And um,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: hopefully you have parents that are understanding and friends parents
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that are understanding. That's a big one. That's nice. Chuck. Yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed anymore. I don't think you should be.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'll pee in front of anybody. Yeah, go to sleep
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: right now and I'll do it. Uh. And then you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about this. Um. Scheduled awakenings are devices,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and I found one on a popular online retailer for
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty nine bucks. And what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a little thing that well I wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 1: say the name, but sure it's probably Luly. Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: uh it. Um, it's a It vibrates the mattress at
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  Speaker 1: intervals to wake your kid up gently. Yeah. Well, supposedly
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  Speaker 1: it also learns when your kid has so you program
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  Speaker 1: in when your kid normally has a night tare through
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  Speaker 1: an app, I believe, and then it starts to pay
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  Speaker 1: attention and learn when your kid actually has them. And
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: then yeah, it vibrates and and it does the same
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  Speaker 1: thing as a schedule of awakening device, so you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to be bothered, just let the robot take care
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  Speaker 1: of your kids. I looked at the reviews though, and um,
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  Speaker 1: it got um eighty one percent either four or five
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  Speaker 1: star ratings, which means, you know, when it was it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was something like this, that means it worked for them.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: How many ratings I don't remember, I mean several hundred,
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  Speaker 1: I think, uh, and then eleven percent at um one star,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and again that just means it didn't work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you read it, people like it's absolute garbage.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't work for some people are like I would
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  Speaker 1: have given it five but I thought the packaging it
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: came in was dumb looking. Some people do that, man,
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  Speaker 1: because people the worst. So whether or not you're using
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  Speaker 1: a device or you're doing a scheduled awakening like Flatliners,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it's all about the timing. I got a time it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: just right right or else pointing no return two movie references.
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  Speaker 1: They're remaking Flatliners, by the way, of course, with a
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  Speaker 1: new generation starring Juneo. Oh really yeah, who else? I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: can't remember. Keep for Southerland just signed on. But you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: one of those deals where they bring him back is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: probably the old The old weirdo sits under the desk,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that's my guess. Uh. And I wanted to talk to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: about something I didn't know existed. Um sheets that keep
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you cool at night. Apparently sometimes they think it can
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: be triggered by overheating. And people have found success with
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: these wonder sheets that I didn't know existed. So I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: looked them up. Their sheets that keep you cooler. It's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like a sheet that's a giant fan well, it's two
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to three degrees cooler to the touch. Nice wicks moisture
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: away like our favorite nunties. Um prevents absorption of heat
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  Speaker 1: from lights of your bed sits in the sun all day,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and sleep during the day. I guess. Uh, you're a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: little kid on the lead shift and three times more airflow.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So we have to get some of those. Give it
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  Speaker 1: a shot. Nice. One of the other things I saw
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  Speaker 1: that they think might trigger it is restless legs syndrome. Yeah,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: supposedly there's a link with those two. The Jimmy legs
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that'll keep you up. So there's a story. Should we
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: talk about this guy in Phoenix? I feel like we
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: talked about him in the sleep walking episode. Yeah, we
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: talked about people killing and sleepwalking episode. Like he's not
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the only one. Noah, I know, let's talk about him again.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Scott the ladder for later. I'll bet we said the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: same thing in the Sleepwalking Scott. His nickname is save
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it Scott, save it for later. No, I mean sorry,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be joking. He's in prison. Yes he Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this was he Um. He stabbed his wife forty four
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  Speaker 1: times and then held her head underwater in a pool.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Swimming pool. So what happened is this guy got up
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, went out to fix
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: his swimming pool, um with a hunting knife as a screwdriver.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: His wife wakes him up. And that's why we said
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: not to wake someone up, because if someone's gonna get
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: violent during a sleep terror, it's because you were trying
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to wake them up. And apparently you're supposed to just
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: gently guide them back to bed. Yeah, she did not.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: She apparently startled him. Uh. He stabbed her uh forty
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: four times and then tried to drown her. And his
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: neighbor saw this called the cops, and that was his
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: defense that it was a sleep terror, which you know
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: can occur with sleepwalking. Um. And it didn't work. The defense. Um.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Basically the prosecution said their marriage isn't some rosy thing
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: like he said, Um, they're Mormon and she was trying
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to kind of leave the church behind a little bit,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and he was upset about that. He wanted to have kids,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: more kids and she didn't. Uh. Defense said all that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: stuff was true, but not really that big of a deal,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Like it didn't lead him to snap and kill his wife. Um.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: But that was his defense and it didn't work. He's
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: now in prison for life with no parole. Man. Can
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you imagine though, if he really was just totally sleepwalking
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: having a night tare sad for everyone, Yeah, especially her.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I saw a BuzzFeed article actually called can You Die
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: from a Nightmare? And it was about this. Um, this
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: artist named Tobias Long hung himself in New York and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: it's strongly suspected by people who know him that he
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: did it in the midst of a night terror himself. Yes,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he hunged himself. So you, um, you'll see during research
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: for sleep terror and night terror that it's harmless. In
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: any website where that's salt that saying this will have
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: an asterisk or will say but you can actually die
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: from it. People have fallen out of windows, people have
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: hurt other family members because, um, you can't have injurious
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: episodes is what they're called of night terrors, because you're
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: sitting there flailing, You're like trying to fight something off. Um,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: You're you're again moving around because remember this comes during
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: stage three and four of deep sleep, where your brains
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: off but your motor function can still work, so you
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: can get up and walk around and feel fear and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: be fighting stuff off. Um, but you're you're you're not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: having a nightmare. You're having a night tear. So you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: can harm yourself and others, so it isn't just a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: totally harmless thing, which is usually what they say. Yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna get email else because you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: said hung innut hanged there. Thanks for that, all right?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: What's going on in the brain though, specifically, like they
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what causes it, but they know what's lighting up,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: then it all kind of makes sense. Well, it's like
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I was saying, like the when you're in stage three
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: or four, your executive function is off, but you can
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: still experience emotions like fear and panic and you can
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: still move around, but you're not you're have you have
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: delta brainways, so you're not thinking, you're not dreaming, you're
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: just your body is just doing something really bizarre that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it's not normally supposed to do. Yeah, so that's what
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: a night terror is. What what what's going on basically
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: is you can commit acts of violence because that's switched on,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: but you don't have that an inhibition switched on, that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: switched off. So what they found is what is happening
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: during a night gare. Is it's it resembles exactly or mirrors?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Is it mirrors or is that opposite? Mirror would be opposite.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It resembles what happens when someone is violent when they're awake.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: All right, no inhibition going on? Executive functioning, ah off off. Yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: it's a really weird, dangerous thing. Luckily it's mostly just
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: in kids, but apparently in adults that can be really
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: bad because you know, adults can be muscular, they know
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: they're way around a knife. They can be little kid
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it's just like you just hold them in place by
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: putting pressure on their forehead. Their little kids that are
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: more muscular than me. Remember when I used to lifeguard,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I'd see like it's like a little twelve year old boy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that kid is naturally cut, like more than
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: more than I would ever hope to be. Hate those kids. Uh. Lastly,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: there is an indie go go for an augmented reality
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: app called night Terrors that sounds pretty awesome and um
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it's an app on your phone and it takes over
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the flashlight on your phone, so you turn out all
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the lights in your house and you walk through looking
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: at your house. The camera on your phone. That's how
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you're looking at your house and it's lit by the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: flashlight and everything, and all of a sudden, like a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: monster will pop up, like out from around the hall,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: your hall. It's just a really neat concept and apparently
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: they're executing it very well. What What is the whole
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: point though? To scare the Jesus side of yourself. It's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a horror game app but it's not really a game.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: It's as you walk around your house and it scares
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: you to death. It's like Pokemon Go, but for creeps,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: although Pokemon does for creeps too. There you go. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: didn't even know that was until yesterday. It's pretty new.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It's not that shameful. Given another weekend, it would have
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: been shameful. That's it, Huh. I got nothing else. Well,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: if you want to know more about night terrors, you
• 46:54
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  Speaker 1: Gettysburg address, and you mentioned all students across the country
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  Speaker 1: pointlessly memorize this and other speeches, never really get what
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  Speaker 1: it's even about. I can tell you I was one
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of those memorized passages. Memorizing passages never ever helps anyone learn.
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  Speaker 1: In high school, we not only had to memorize Gettysburg
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• 47:53
  Speaker 1: had to do, uh mcbet tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow soliloquy.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: And in the month of April every year we had
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to memorize a poem of our choice of at least
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: ten lines for National Poetry Month. They did it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. And you know how many of those things
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I remember now? Zero? Do you know how much I
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: can tell you about the passages and their meaning? Nothing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you what poems I decided to memorize,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: although I think one year I chose an e. Commings
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: poem because it was technically ten lines but maybe a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: total of fifteen words. Yeah, Matt, he's doing it right. Uh.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I like comming, so good choice. So I'm with you
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  Speaker 1: all on how pointless this all is. Keep up the
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• 48:39
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• 48:42
  Speaker 1: remember from that age or like ad jingles like I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: feel like chicken tent Knight, Like Chicken tent Night. Yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: chicken tent Knight, and you don't remember schooling, but you
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: remember where's the beef? Yeah? And chicken tonight was good?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I think I remember that it was just a
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: jar of sauce. Oh, but it's like a whole gimmick
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: around it just chicken, and you can have chicken tonight.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: So in other words, cooking meal entirely made of other
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  Speaker 1: sauce and pour this stuff on your family will finally
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• 49:20
  Speaker 1: pork tonight. I don't think they did. I'm sure those
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  Speaker 1: were playing, but they never did it. They're like, we
• 49:27
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• 49:30
  Speaker 1: good sauce for pork or beef? Uh? If you want
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