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MotoGP Netherlands 2025 Round 10 Recap in S5 Episode 10 · B 4EVA Kool "Race A Motorcycle" Podcast

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Welcome back to another edition of the Beef Forever Cool
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podcast. My name is Rex 45.
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We got the real Luis Ortega in the building.
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We got Cheetah 747. What's going on fellas?
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How you doing tonight Cheetah? Good man, another day, another
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dollar. That's how I'm thinking today.
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It was a it was a good, good weekend, man.
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I was busy all week. So you know, it's just been in
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that mode of go, go, go. It was fun to catch up on the
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races, man, over the weekend definitely.
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That's what's up. I hate you about being busy.
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I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
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How about yourself, Lewis, man? Same here man, busy busy
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weekend. But it was it was a good time.
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I got a lot of done, got to see some some good racing this
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weekend. Moto GP, Moto 2, Moto 3, Moto
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America. So good balance of work and
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play. Nice, I like that.
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Same here and well, let's jump into it.
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Let's talk about qualifying and Moto GP before qualifying.
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A lot of crashes. Marquez, you know, jacked
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himself up a couple of times. Some riders went down there.
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What are your thoughts on the 12 guys in qualifying and it is it
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safe to say that Quatarara might get a lot more polls before the
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the year's over? Dude, he's got a lot of those
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Tisel watches, doesn't he? Like at this point so.
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For. Sure, so once again, he mean
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he's showing that he's he's definitely deserves that seat on
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Yamaha more than anyone. He's he's the top dog there.
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And you know, Pekko was able to get in 2nd, Alex in 3rd, but I
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think what happened is, you know, you saw Mark over, you
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know, I think he overthrew turn 1 going into one of those laps
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and that was his last chance at at getting pole over there.
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But Mark's just insane, man. I mean, we can talk about the
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race in a minute, but him going into those, the those couple
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crashes he had weren't weren't easy on him, man.
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He had that messed up jaw and he looking like Crimson chin.
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If y'all remember Crimson chin. Yeah, but like he, he really, I
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remember back in the day when he was on I think in, in early in
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the, in the in the Honda days, he had another crash like that
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on Moto 2 where he had his chin fucked up or messed up brother.
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So yeah, man, it was it's it's crazy to see people push through
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that. But that just goes to show you
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like sometimes we don't see those crashes and we don't see
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the effects of it. But physically seeing damage on
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him like that really goes to show this man really got into
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battle with the ground, you know, like he really tossed and
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tumbled. And it's like fighting, man,
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You, you don't see that until you see physical damage.
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Sometimes you don't realize. So yeah, it was intense.
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Yeah. What are your thoughts, Louis?
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It was good. I mean, the first, the first
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free practice, I had to go back and like watch it a couple of
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times, 'cause I was like, did nobody go out?
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Why is Raul Fernandez like I'm the one of the fastest guys?
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And then I kind of realized, oh, OK, it's it kind of everything
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balanced out. I think Quattaro's got at least
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three more poles in him. Just knowing the tracks that are
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coming and what he can do with some of those tracks.
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It just sucks that the bike doesn't have the race pace to do
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that for a race distance. You know, you can pull out, like
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we've said it before, you can pull out a magic lap out of your
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ass and get an incredible pole and get a nice watch.
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But I'm sure he'd trade in all those watches if you can stand
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on that top step, man. And you can't stand on the top
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step if you're riding at 150% of what the bike is even capable of
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doing, you know? Do you guys think that V4 motor
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for Yamaha is the way to go? They've tested it already, you
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know, you have an idea why you think the hold up is for them
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not using that engine and rolling it out because this
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can't feel good for Quatuara being able to get on pole and
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just can't, you know, fight during the race.
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Yeah. I mean, we could sit here and
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guess, I mean we're no one has that insider knowledge I would
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say to say what exactly is holding them up.
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But if it's if it looks like testing is going well for them,
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I mean, I would hope to see it sometime before the end of the
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season. But you know, so we've talked
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about this before it they may not bring it out till next
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season and may just bring it in maybe a wild card situation or
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like maybe testing situations only.
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So I mean, but hopefully he gets what he needs because he's a,
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he's a top dog for sure, and a true and a true top writer.
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Yeah, I think in the in the class, I think him and Mark are
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the leaders of the class in Hole in Talent.
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I think Quadraro and Mark can out talent everybody else in the
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entire field. It's Mark is in, it's in a
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better position because he's in a better bike.
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And Cuatraro is in Mark's old position when Mark was on an
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inferior bike. He's trying to out ride the
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limitations of the bike. And unfortunately you you can't
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do that all the time. You can get away with it here
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and there. I mean, even Mark had a few
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glimmers of brilliance on the Honda in the last couple of
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years. But, you know, the same with
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Coderaro, He's had a few glimmers of brilliance.
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But you can't sustain that when you have to ride outside your
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skin and hope that the bike can kind of do what you're asking it
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to do, which it can't, you know, it just can't.
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It's, you know, they need something because I don't see
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Coderaro staying with Yamaha much longer if his career is
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going to be visiting a lot of Kitty litter at countries all
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around the world. Like he's too damn good for
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that. And another company will come
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along and and be like, hey, we got this little Brinks truck
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over here. Just jump inside and grab as
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much as you want. And by the way, our bikes better
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than Yamaha's. Right.
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You know, what are you, what are your guys thoughts on Bagnaya?
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You know, he qualified 2IN in Q2, may qualify in second
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position and in front and he's the first Ducati.
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Did you guys think that, OK, this might be the track we're
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about Bagnaya might come out on top just based on seeing what he
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did in Q2 or you just figured he got he got lucky?
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I mean, I think he I think he was showing himself out like we
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spoke about, like Lewis said, anyone can do one lap a solid on
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softs. He did the same thing in
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Mugello. Whole time he was having trouble
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in in practice and in free practice.
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And then he goes into quality and suddenly everything feels
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fine and he's got that soft on the bike and suddenly it's
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working like that. But come race time, it goes back
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to normal. What I think is I was hoping for
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a good Sprint situation. He did perform better in the
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race. Hopefully he didn't finish the
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Sprint and go straight to a tattoo parlor to get that tattoo
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removed. But he did wait it out till
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Sunday at least to see how he did.
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So I mean, we got more to see. Let's see how Saxon Ring goes
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'cause that's I think that's next, right?
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We're going to Germany. So we'll see.
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Yeah. And I mean in qualifying, if you
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look, I think it was the top 11 or the top 12 were all within
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one second of each other and some of them were within like
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less than a 10th of each other. So there was a lot of stacked
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talent in the front. But again, this is that one lap.
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Put the qualifying tires on the stickiest rubber that I can get,
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go out there with the lightest fuel load and try to RIP, you
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know, 3 fast laps and see which of those laps gets me somewhere.
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Again, that's not a true race condition.
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I mean that gets you in the best position to be competitive when
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the race hits because you don't want to start from the 5th row
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and try to get through, especially on this track.
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This track is very narrow and has a lot of fast, narrow turns.
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So there's not a lot of great positions where you going to
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outbreak somebody without doing some kamikaze.
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So it did help him, but then once the race pace hit and now
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you had to do this kind of race pace for a long distance, that's
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when you started to see him, you know, kind of struggle, start
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falling back, try to crawl himself back a little bit.
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You know, unfortunately, Alex Marquez had his incident with
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with Pedro Acosta and that cost Alex that.
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And even Pedro once he kind of once the KTM kind of lost its
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grip and everything, he ended up where he was at.
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So you know, realistically Beko, I'm not going to say he got
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gifted 1/3, but I think if Alex hadn't had his incident, I think
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it would have been Alex and Pekko fighting for third versus
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Pekko just kind of maintaining the distance between himself and
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Acosta and and ending up in 3rd. Got you.
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All right. How about Bizeki?
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I mean, I had him. I had him as somebody that could
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have won the race, a second and a third place, pretty impressive
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for Aprilia and in in the main race.
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I mean, you know, he was right there with Mark.
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He couldn't get around them. But I mean, I, I think this is
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the first rider that we've seen put pressure on Mark the last
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three laps of a of a race. Yeah, for sure.
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I think I didn't expect that at all come in, especially in the
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Sprint the way he did. I mean, for those few laps, I
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just sat there thinking like, is he going to pass Alex and Mark
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right now with the pace he's bringing?
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It was really fast, man. And all of a sudden somewhere in
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the Sprint, it evened out it even back out and he stayed in
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in that steady 3rd that he finished in.
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And even in the race man, I mean, he just has that extra
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gear in this at this track or something.
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But that Aprilia seems to be coming together for him.
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And I mean, I wouldn't have bet who would have finished in
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second. Was it Alex or Bez for the race
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if Alex hadn't gone down. That's how that's how good with
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Bez was riding there. So very impressive by him.
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Got you. And I mean, I think Alex was in
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fourth place fighting for fifth with Pekko when he went down.
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So he was kind of backsliding a little bit.
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But go ahead, Lewis. Yeah, Marco Buzzacki put on a
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great show both in the Sprint and in the race.
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In the Sprint, he definitely again, truncated race.
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So you get to burn your tires a little more.
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So you don't really have to conserve, you don't have to
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really pace yourself. You can just go full throttle
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because you only have half the distance and you know that if
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you manage the tires, you can go 20 plus laps.
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And if I don't manage the tire, who cares?
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I only have 11 laps. Let me burn the the, you know,
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the rubber to the steel threads and see what I can do.
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He had great pace. He got close to the two guys in
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the front and then it kind of just, you know, settled into
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that. I can't really get them.
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They're pushing. I'm pushing.
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I'd rather bring it home on the box than in a box.
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So let me just stay with third. And then on Saturday he had
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really great pace. He got past a lot of guys like
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he did. You know, he didn't have as many
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guys to get through. Like he didn't start from 18th
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place to finish 5th. So that was good for him.
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But the one thing that did happen in that race that
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hopefully now will shut all these sofa mutants up is when he
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got behind Mark, Mark managed him from the front.
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And all these people that are saying that all Alex just sits
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behind his brother. Alex doesn't try to pass him.
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Alex isn't trying to be. It's not that you got a guy
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that's a beast in front of you. Catching Mark and passing Mark
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are two different animals. And as the tires go down,
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passing him becomes even harder because if you looked at the
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race, you can see the slinky effect.
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Mark knew where he was slower, so he would gap him where he was
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faster. He knew he was going to lose
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that gap where he was slower, and then he would gap him again
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where he was faster. Like coming out of that.
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Yeah. Coming out of that last chicane
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to come on a front straightaway, Bazecki look like, oh, he's
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about to make a lunge. And then coming out of that
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marks like 10 bike lens in front of like, dude, how did you get
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10 bike lens in a kink? You're supposed to go slower.
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Yeah, and he he pass Pekko in that corner and Acosta I
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believe. And and Mark, again, this guy is
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so intelligent. Not only is he talented, he
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literally was like, I know how fast Bazecki is in that corner.
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So that means he's studied everybody's data.
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He's seen where everybody has strengths and weaknesses and
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understands every opponent's strengths and weaknesses.
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And when it's time to race and he knows who's behind him, he
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somehow goes in his memory and is like, all right, I know
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they're fast and turn 11/12/13. I know they struggle here and
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struggle there. I'm faster here if there.
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I don't need to look back. I can manage this just by
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looking on my board and see what the time is and understanding
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what I need to do to maintain them there.
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And the dude's a beast, man. So for everybody that thinks
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that Mark's just letting him win, like nobody lets anybody
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win. If you understood how much money
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is at stake between 2nd place and 1st place, you would you
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would just shut your mouth, man. It's ridiculous.
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And I would say I I was going to say that that you know what,
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what want him to raise his intelligence or just his ability
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to ride the bike. And you kind of answer that,
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Which is it? I think I to me is his
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intelligent in this this weekend because he wasn't the fastest
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guy this weekend and he didn't get the best start.
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He didn't get a bad start, but he didn't start out in first
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place, but he figured out how to get there.
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And once he was there, he he just used the smarts to manage
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that. And Peko was good at doing that
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last year. But unfortunately this year's a
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little bit story. What are your thoughts on Raul
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Fernandez? I mean, I, I, I still think this
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could be a digi in 2020. What one and two where he saved
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his career because Raul is riding at Aprilia.
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Really nice too. Yeah, yeah, something happened
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in the Sprint, right where they they climb, Morbideli and him
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clashed. I know Olivera, Olivera girls.
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There it was. I think it was Olivera on the on
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the in the I got to look. I got to look at.
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This no Fernandez. No, no, it was Fernandez and.
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More fidelity touched him. And was it Morbidel I think?
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It was just like Morbideli man again.
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And it it was, yeah. Because he went down.
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Oh, because yeah, he went down in his Sprint.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so that happened, but yeah,
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I mean, he's looking pretty good.
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I mean, right, there's only a few few Aprilia's to compare to
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right at this point. But it's it's them too right now
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because Aya Guru was kind of doing all right until he broke
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his his leg. So, I mean, you know, it it.
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So yeah. So those are the 2.
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And it looks like Bazecki's the Reference.
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Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I don't have much to say
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about that. But I mean, I think he may or
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may not have that shot at next year again with with Aprilia, I
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don't know because it's it's going to go year by year for him
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at this point. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, he has a two year contract still so.
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Oh, it goes still 27 for 26. The 26 he he has to renew for 27
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or find a new job, but if his teammate is still Algura and he
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keeps performing Algura, then you know you kind of do secure
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your job at that point as long as you're better than your
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teammate. You know, very few teams get rid
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of the number one rider on the team, even if they're not at the
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top level. But a top 10 for Ferraro
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Fernandez is is great. You know, at least for his
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career, for his confidence. Because, I mean, he started this
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year and the way he was riding, it seemed like he had no
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confidence in himself, in the bike and the tires and anything.
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And now in the last couple of races, he started to put some
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stuff together, started to qualify a little bit better.
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Isn't finding the Kitty litter as much without Morbidelli's
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help or somebody else's help Warren Bedelli loves.
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He should put a patch on his back.
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Says this way to the Kitty litter because he's going to put
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you in the rocks. Was it, I forget, was it the
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Sprint race or the main race? He had the long lap penalty.
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Main race. Main race.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't it.
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Was him and Digi right? Yeah, him and DG.
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When he got that, yeah. And he was like, they weren't
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let. I remember the commentators
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being like, yo, let him go by, man.
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Like pretty much being like, yo, you're not letting him by.
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Go do the long lap. And he again.
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There is a big difference in pay between one spot and the other.
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Every spot you have is a little bit more coin in your pocket
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and, and and this is not my job to let you go by me.
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Right. But I think for for Mobidelli,
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if he was smarter and we've seen, I think Lorenzo and
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Marquez do this, oh, Marquez do this last year, he should have
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let him go. He should he should have let him
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go because he had no space between the guys behind him that
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it wouldn't have mattered. But he had a chance to at least
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finish in front of Digi instead of doing that long life penalty
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because he just had to just fall back a position.
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And oh, I think I'll lose a second, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, he only lost one. I mean, going through that
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particular long lap, I think it adds like 1.8 seconds if you do
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it like spot on. And if you look at the way he
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did it, he did it spot on and it dropped him back like maybe a
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second, you know, and he finished in that same spot.
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It's not like he went any further back because there was
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such a big gap from that spot. So, you know, but again, it's,
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it's sometimes it's the finding mentality.
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Like, I don't want to let anybody go by, especially my
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teammate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Go ahead. No, I think it was just, I think
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it was combined the fact with the LLP, the long life penalty
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right there in that lap while they were saying that.
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Other than that, yeah, Lewis is right.
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You don't let somebody by just because you're a teammate or you
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know they can have a chance of doing anything points wise or.
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If you guys want to see the Formula One movie.
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Have you seen it? Yes.
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My brother's son told me to see it.
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In the movie that Brad Pitt and his teammate are going neck and
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neck and they end up crashing. And he said and he's like, you
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know, the teammate came over was like, oh, you didn't let me
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pass. He's like, it's not my job.
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I don't let anybody pass. A teammate or not, I don't let
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anybody pass. You got to earn your pass.
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And same thing, man. In racing, you know, unless you
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have a mechanical issue or something where you can cause
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yourself injury or somebody else injury, you do everything you
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can to keep the guy behind you. It's going to be tough because I
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think MOBA Deli's he's definitely shooting himself in
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the foot like every round he gets like, you know, one step
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forward and two step backwards with these action and and
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hopefully he'll sort and and this carried over from last year
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too. So I can't at least this year's
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a little bit better. But he just he seems to get into
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weird situation. Let's talk about Yamaha with
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Olivera, because he he had went off in in in the race.
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This guy has so much bad luck by that.
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Like he can't even finish our our weekend.
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Yeah, How did Oliver go out? That's with iagura.
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Yeah. Right, all in the beginning.
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Right, that's with that was with Iagura.
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Yeah, man, that's unfortunate for him.
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What can you do? I mean, right.
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I mean, I don't even know what to say for that.
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Agora clashed him. Did Algora didn't go down though
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right? Yeah, he went down.
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He went down. Olivera stayed up.
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No, he went down too. He was out.
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Olivier was out. Mayor was out.
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Al Diguer was out, Alex and Salvadari.
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Yeah, Al Diguer went out in that high side later, but yeah, I
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forget how Oliver went down, but it's unfortunate, man.
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Like, what can you do? It was getting really crazy in
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the in that that track had some weird stuff going on even in the
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beginning, right? Like they were saying it was
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cold and hot temperatures or something weird with the
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temperature. We saw the high sides, like the
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rear would come around, but then the front look like it was
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having a lot of chatter with the girls crash.
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I remember that. And that's just like a sign
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chatter, the sign of too much grip.
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So I don't know what that what that means when that when that
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happens at that those kinds of tracks, they couldn't get that
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doubt in. And then all of a sudden, of
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course, that's the biggest challenge of of GP.
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That's what that's why it's so interesting to see like we see
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the winners and the losers, but they've had to battle in there
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within their own challenges. So much like they have to battle
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with tire pressures, everything going on with the body, the the
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physical changes, the characteristics, when
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temperature changes, the tire changes.
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Mark is just able to deal with that in such a deadly way that
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he knows every strategy, everything in the book and he
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knows mental games. So I mean, it's just wild, man.
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It's a fun game to watch. I I love this thing.
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I think I got sidetracked on that one.
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No worries, we're talking about I I agree.
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I agree Oliver is misstep, but I might as well add Lewis.
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I mean, Jack Miller is looking pretty good.
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I mean, you know, if there's a guy that you, you know, trying
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to save a seat, this is, this is another guy that's he's like the
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second Yamaha right now. Yeah, he's the second Yamaha,
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but I I think it's a little, I think it's a little too little,
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a little too late for him. I got again, I still believe in
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my heart of hearts that his future lies outside of Moto GPI
20:22
mean he still might get a ride in Moto GP for next year.
20:25
But you know, as, as an actual fan of Jack Miller's, I would
20:29
prefer to see him on a competitive bike and road super
20:32
bike versus racing for 14th or 15th place in Moto GP.
20:36
You know, I, I don't think as a competitor, you wake up every
20:40
Sunday, put on that helmet and be like, I can't wait to come in
20:43
14th place, you know, because my bike sucks and this sucks.
20:47
And you know, and I got, you know, guys that are 14 years
20:52
younger than me finishing seven spots ahead of me.
20:55
And you know, like I think it, you know, if he I don't know
20:59
what his management is thinking, if he gets another opportunity
21:02
to stay in GP and if it's for more than a year, I would take
21:06
it. If it's an opportunity to stay
21:07
in GP and it's only a one year contract, but you can get
21:10
yourself A2 year contract in world super bike, go to world
21:12
super bike man. Like he's again, he's a super
21:15
talented rider and he's a fan favorite fans all over the world
21:19
like this guy. That dude is super personable.
21:22
He loves to be in the crowd. He loves to entertain the
21:26
audience, so give him an opportunity to go to World Super
21:28
Bike, where the paddock is a little bit less restrictive than
21:31
the GP paddock. It's a little bit more of a
21:34
family environment and where he can kind of just be himself, be
21:37
natural, enjoy himself and try to fight again for that podium
21:41
spot, man. Because you're not going to do
21:42
it on the Yamaha at least, right?
21:44
Not right now. If Cuadraro can't do it on a
21:47
routine basis, you're not going to do it.
21:50
Yeah, I, I can see that. Let's talk about KTM because
21:55
Acosta man and Vinales as you, as you mentioned earlier between
22:00
Alex and and Acosta, like Acosta's looking really good on
22:03
that. KTM, even though they're
22:05
struggling towards the end of, of, of the race.
22:09
You guys think that, you know, we can see the KTM starting to
22:13
stay closer to the top 6? Yeah, for sure.
22:17
I think Acosta is looking really strong now, but I mean it again,
22:21
I, I feel like it, it comes and goes for him in the beginning,
22:23
it was there in the beginning of the season and then now it's
22:25
coming back a little bit. But I mean, I it's, it's, it's
22:29
almost like what would these guys do on a solid bike, right?
22:32
KTM is coming back, but it's like man, it's the bikes
22:35
probably hold them back. And I think we're all holding
22:38
our breath till 2027 where all these manufacturers get that
22:41
good reset and get some good tires on their bikes, you know,
22:44
like some Pirellis and, and really see how this this takes
22:47
off. But yeah, man, Acosta is looking
22:49
solid. Vinales is looking good.
22:51
You know, he's staying consistent in that top six top
22:53
7. So I mean they're, they're doing
22:56
KTM good service right now for sure.
22:58
I think Mark Marquez said it best in in the press conference.
23:03
You got to respect all the other riders.
23:05
Every every last one of them is trying to win.
23:07
Everyone, every last one was trying to win.
23:08
But here's the thing about KTM, man, it's like they they are
23:12
trying so many different things out to reduce those issues had
23:15
they're having. I wonder if they're ever going
23:17
to settle down on a certain setup because every track is a
23:20
different setup. They're always trying and
23:22
testing new things. Every bike looks different.
23:24
If you look at the practice videos where they're showing the
23:26
bike's tail and everything like that, they got different fins
23:29
and everything. So it's like, man, I, I wonder
23:31
if they're ever going to settle down and maybe trust one of
23:34
those two riders between Vinales or Acosta and be like, you know,
23:37
this guy's going in the right direction.
23:39
Let's listen to him a little more.
23:40
I don't know. I think that's what I think.
23:42
That's what I heard they're saying after the the last couple
23:46
of rounds. They switched Pedro's setup to
23:50
Vinales's setup. OK.
23:54
Which would make sense because Vinales is is the most veteran
23:58
rider on that team that's also ridden the most equipment of
24:01
anybody on that team. Like, he's ridden everything on
24:05
two wheels that Moto GP has to offer except like, even the
24:08
scooters in the paddock. Like, he's been on Yamaha, he's
24:12
been on Suzuki, He's been on everything, you know, So at
24:16
this. Yeah, previous.
24:17
So at this point, like, he is the guy you should be listening
24:20
to. And KTM definitely needs to stop
24:23
throwing so many things at the wall and hoping something
24:25
sticks. Like, hey, you got Vinales.
24:27
Yeah, he's a little bit of a head case sometimes, but the
24:30
dude is fast. The dude's been on fast bikes
24:32
and he's won on fast bikes. And if anybody you're going to
24:35
listen to, that's the guy you should, you know, be the guy to
24:38
listen to. I wouldn't listen to Bender
24:40
because Bender is going backwards.
24:43
Bastionini. Is looking good.
24:45
Bastionini is is is outperforming with Bender this
24:48
week. So, you know, those two guys can
24:51
battle it out in the teens, but if there's a guy that's
24:54
consistently in the top ten, like Vinales, follow that path.
24:57
Stop throwing so many things at the wall.
24:59
Try to narrow the focus down. Let's see what happens if we
25:03
give Vinales a set up to everybody and then work off of
25:06
that set up to keep developing the bike.
25:09
Don't try to every weekend come with a new tail section, a new
25:13
arrow package in the front and you this and you like stop it,
25:16
man. Like you're you're killing time
25:17
and your guys are just going around burning tires and gas.
25:23
Last but not least, Honda. I mean, I was, you know, I was
25:31
on that Zarco train, man, I was on that Zarco train.
25:34
And like even he's, you know, back to backgrounds.
25:38
He's struggling in mayor. It looks like he didn't finish
25:42
either race. I mean like that, that, that
25:45
can't feel good. No, definitely not.
25:49
Man, I'm surprised Chantra finished behind him because he
25:53
was in front of him at one point in the race or the Sprint.
25:55
I remember, forget where. But yeah, it's not looking good.
26:00
I don't know, man. I mean, maybe maybe it's just
26:02
like they had certain tracks favor them.
26:04
We've I think we've talked about this, right?
26:06
Like the speed, the top speed is still a thing, right?
26:08
So I don't know, man, it's, I think it'll come.
26:12
Their time is coming. I think a lot of different
26:14
manufacturers going to have a the great reset.
26:16
And I keep saying that, but you know, me and a couple buddies
26:19
this morning, we were even talking about this about we were
26:22
talking about where is the Ducati going as Ducati going to
26:24
dominate. We were talking about Honda's
26:26
going to pull out the money, right?
26:27
They're going to pull out the money for for for for Martine
26:33
because Honda has the money, but they're in this position where
26:35
they don't have to do that right?
26:36
They're still going to get this reefs reset.
26:38
They're going to get the tire reset.
26:40
And at the end of the day, Martin Martin on this, that's a
26:42
whole another story. By the way, he's lost some
26:44
stock, he's lost value there. Who knows if you'll even get to
26:48
get out of that contract, but we'll see because I apparently
26:51
he didn't meet that clause that that allows him to do that so.
26:55
Only had one yeah I I can't see how because he only had one
26:58
race, right you know, but you know, and I can't imagine that
27:03
Aprilia would would have it just one way I.
27:07
Don't think so, no. I mean, I did want to keep that
27:10
rider, but then you got this bad energy that you're going to put
27:12
him back on the bike. And I mean, the latest thing was
27:16
he's he's declared unfit again for Saxon Ring.
27:18
So is he getting fake doctor's notes out here man?
27:24
Maybe. I, I, you know, I would claim
27:27
PTSD, man. I mean, I, I think he has some
27:30
trauma from Ducati not signing him to the factory seat.
27:33
He's, he's, he's gone crazy, you know, because he's, you know,
27:39
from the, from us looking at it or from myself looking at it, it
27:42
looks like he's hurt. He's really hurting himself.
27:46
No one else? Yeah.
27:49
Yeah, thoughts on KTM? I mean Honda and, and you know
27:52
his Martine, you know. Honda is sad because they've
27:58
they've, they've shown the same thing, glimmers of brilliance
28:01
here and there. Zarko has shown some glimmers.
28:03
Even the last round or two, like Near has been a little bit more
28:07
consistent. I mean, Marini's the only one
28:09
that is really the most inconsistent.
28:12
You know, he just can't finish races and then he's been injured
28:16
and everything else is going on. Like Marini is the one that's
28:18
most at risk. I know Honda is struggling to
28:22
find that path that'll work at every track.
28:25
So maybe this particular track just wasn't a Honda track.
28:28
You know, it didn't really benefit the strengths of the
28:30
current model Honda. But we're going to Saxon Ring
28:34
next. We'll see what happens there.
28:37
I think Saxon Ring is going to be actually a good track for
28:39
Yamaha because you don't have a lot of long straightaways.
28:42
You have a lot of fast sweeping turns.
28:45
This is where the Yamaha excels. And you know, the the one thing
28:49
that sets the Yamaha, the Ducati apart is the stability of the
28:52
breaking of the Ducati always seems to outperform the Yamaha.
28:55
But again, I think this next track is going to be a Yamaha
28:58
track and maybe Honda can be at least in the top ten with
29:02
somebody. I mean this weekend they didn't
29:04
have anybody in the top 10, which is, you know, sad in the
29:08
race that Nazi a Honda in the top 10.
29:10
But at least we still had a good mix.
29:11
You know, that's like I've always said, I like the mix.
29:14
I want to see Aprilia, I want to see KTMI, want to see Ducati.
29:17
And that's what we got this weekend.
29:19
We got a bunch of different manufacturers all up in the top
29:22
five, which is great to see. You know, it wasn't a Ducati
29:25
lockout in the top four or five and.
29:27
Let's and let's just talk about the overall race and then in in
29:31
general as you, as you mentioned that because it, you know, it
29:34
was one of the more competitive races for the top, you know,
29:37
eight guys. Yeah, I know for sure this, this
29:42
this past weekend, the top 7-8 guys.
29:46
I mean, I wanted to be a little bit more competitive, a little
29:49
bit longer. I think when we got to lap 13 is
29:52
when all of a sudden, like the train broke apart and 4th and
29:57
5th really drifted further back, and then 6th and then after that
30:01
it just became like a, you know, a long parade.
30:03
Managing the gap. Yeah, but for the first, I want
30:07
to say 8-9 laps. I mean, you had a serious
30:10
freight train of like 8 or 9 bikes that were all within like
30:12
a second of each other. And again, it's this track kind
30:16
of induces that because of the way the tracks laid out.
30:20
But it also causes a problem because it makes it really
30:23
difficult to pass. And you saw people making
30:25
questionable passes in questionable areas.
30:28
And that's how Alex Marquez ended up in the Kitty litter
30:31
because that's not a great place to pass.
30:33
Everybody's battling for this credit card with spot, with
30:36
bikes that are wider than the credit card.
30:38
And you're going to get contact. And unfortunately, you know, it
30:41
looks like what happened is his brake lever got contacted,
30:44
locked up the front brake, the tire went down.
30:48
And, you know, we'll see what his injury is going to be.
30:50
They're saying is that some people are saying it's a pinky,
30:52
other people are saying it's the palm.
30:55
Either way, I hope he can get back on board soon because the
30:58
last thing you want to do is give Mark 2 races to get maybe
31:04
50 points on you. No.
31:06
Or more with the Sprint. Right, right, right.
31:09
I, I saw somewhere where, you know, they're talking about Alex
31:15
doesn't try to make those kind of passes on Mark compared to
31:19
other writers. He felt in the in that moment,
31:24
Alex probably should have, you know, not try to ride around
31:28
Acosta. Around Acosta, that was that
31:31
was, that was such a tough section, man.
31:33
It's like where the track goes, you're leaned left and you're
31:36
about to flick back right. It's it's kind of like a
31:38
straightaway, but it's leaning that way right.
31:41
And there's that little rumble strip that everyone tries to get
31:43
right real close to going right. And we're all trying to get
31:46
through that one little credit card patch.
31:48
Almost like Lewis said of like 4 feet wide.
31:50
It's really you're trying to fit 2 bikes in that section and and
31:53
no one wants to let off because the next corner you're breaking
31:56
into from a straight line right in almost.
31:58
So everyone wants to get that that section and it was just
32:02
aggressive. It was almost unfortunate that
32:03
that happened. Maybe the the brake guard lever
32:06
wasn't positioned correctly for the lean angle they were at
32:08
where it touched. Maybe it flicked up, maybe it
32:11
was loose, who knows. But yeah, it was just a weird,
32:15
weird crash is what I thought when I saw it.
32:17
I was like man, I know his front didn't lock up for no reason.
32:19
I knew it was a brake lever crash but.
32:22
When I yeah, when I saw, I thought the front wheel came off
32:25
the ground and and grabbed a brake and locked up and came
32:28
down and went out. But when they did the replay,
32:31
it's kind of like from overhead. It's possible that Acosta could
32:35
have touched the the the brake lever.
32:37
There's one video from Acosta's onboard camera that is.
32:41
It is probably the clearest video where you can see that
32:45
marks Alex's right hand handlebar hit either Acosta's
32:52
elbow or Acosta's arm and and 'cause that lock like it's it's
32:58
on board video from the KTM. That's the clearest video where
33:01
you can see the hand where it makes contact with his arm or
33:03
something or his elbow. But either way, man, it's it's
33:06
you know, it sucks because again, this track is super
33:09
narrow. Alex had the inside line when
33:12
they were going through the left and he thought that Acosta was
33:16
going to give up the inside line to the right and Acosta wasn't
33:20
giving up the inside line to the right.
33:22
And you know, again, two guys fighting.
33:24
It's just a racing incident. Two guys fighting for the same
33:26
real estate and it happens. You know, I don't, I don't, I'm
33:29
glad that the Stewart's didn't try to penalize Acosta or
33:34
anything because it again, that's a race incident, man.
33:36
That, you know, it's, it wasn't AT bone.
33:39
It wasn't anything like that. It's just two guys battling for
33:41
that spot. And you don't want to discourage
33:43
guys from doing that because then it's going to become
33:46
really, really boring where you can't touch anybody.
33:48
At that point, I'll just start watching the NBA again.
33:51
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
33:51
Oh. Man, let's not.
33:55
Let's jump into Moto 2. Diego Marrera, the first
34:00
Brazilian they're saying, but isn't Frankie sort of half
34:04
Brazilian, but to to win the Moto 2 race?
34:08
Pretty impressive. Aaron Connett blames it on a
34:13
crackle windshield. I don't know if he's any either.
34:15
You guys saw the replay that the the windshield just cracked on
34:18
its own on the straightaway and just caused them to lose some
34:23
tents and caused them to race. I mean, Aaron Connett has, he's
34:27
missed the second place. Well, I didn't get a chance to
34:32
catch that race, but I'll let I'll let Lewis go.
34:35
No, I, it, I know there was some damage to his windshield.
34:38
I don't know exactly how it happened or when it happened.
34:41
I did see that there was damage to his windshield.
34:43
I actually thought it was either debris or something or him
34:47
getting mad and punching the windshield because he's done
34:49
that more than a few times. Get a better windshield man.
34:55
What can I tell you? That's what you got a visor on
34:57
your helmet for. Tuck in and and do what you
34:59
gotta do. You don't lose that many tents.
35:03
That's what he's saying. He's saying that you messed up.
35:05
I mean, and then, you know, they got their lap timers on board.
35:07
They can tell the aerodynamics have it just a little bit.
35:12
But it was a very close race all the way through and I mean
35:15
connect right led the race for the whole part I I again, I feel
35:18
bad for that guy because like, you know, if it's the windshield
35:22
or just getting bullied out the way, you know, and and he was
35:26
talking trash to Diego from the because of the previous weekend.
35:31
And so, you know, he takes the L to Diego.
35:33
So that can't feel good. If you've been talking trash,
35:36
man, you can't you know, you, you got to you got to be Michael
35:39
Jordan or keep him up. Shut.
35:41
Yeah, I I think you should for every time he talks trash and
35:44
loses, he should remove one tattoo.
35:48
And I see how how much of A clear skin he gets because he
35:50
does like to talk a lot of trash, but you know, sometimes
35:53
he backs it up, but sometimes he doesn't.
35:56
Yeah. Can I, can I just say this
35:58
though, on a separate subject, just thinking about all this
36:00
we've been talking about, I mean, I partly probably due to
36:03
the podcast too in some ways, but like, I feel like Liberty
36:07
Media is doing a phenomenal job right now with with Moto GP and
36:10
just you constantly see record crowds everywhere, right?
36:13
We're seeing that. And that has to be a result of
36:16
their marketing genius on Instagram, on social media
36:18
platform, just pushing certain, you know, we've, we're seeing
36:21
certain celebrations, certain interviews, certain styles
36:24
they're introducing to this year that they had never had before
36:27
they owned it. I feel like it's almost
36:29
trickling down to Moto America too in some ways.
36:31
You know, there's getting more interest there to watch that and
36:35
it's just it's a it's a it's a good thing to have racing almost
36:38
coming back alive to where now they're breaking records.
36:40
We were at one point talking about, man, are we going to is
36:43
racing dying? Are we going to lose viewership?
36:46
You know, so that's it's just, I just want to say that, man, I
36:48
was. It's definitely good to see
36:49
that. I agree over 200,000 people came
36:53
out for the weekend in which they're pretty impressive.
36:56
And yeah, Liberty Media Group I think is doing a phenomenal job
37:00
Their, their stock is just $95 today.
37:04
So people are liking what they're doing.
37:06
Formula One, I think there's this past weekend as well, you
37:10
know, which is, which is pretty dope because you know, from the
37:14
outside, you know, when, when companies and things get we, you
37:17
know, we see this, we, we're seeing it now with the Lakers
37:19
and The Mavericks and their changes that are, that are
37:22
happening in basketball. Just to talk about basketball a
37:24
little bit. Sometimes you don't know what,
37:25
what's going to happen when you owners come in and they and they
37:28
get the majority and they get to say if they're going to make it
37:31
as entertaining as possible or is it going to get dry?
37:33
And, and so far it, it's, it's been pretty wild.
37:36
So I, I can't wait, you know, can't wait to see what else they
37:39
do. Oh, for sure.
37:42
I, I, I think overall, I don't, you know, I don't know if it's a
37:46
mix of social media, if it's a mix of like some of the, some of
37:51
the new content that's come out in the last couple of years.
37:55
You know, if it's, you know, see Marquez kind of revitalize his
37:59
career after that Amazon Prime show that came on about, you
38:03
know, what happened to him. I think Liberty Media did the
38:05
same thing with Formula One. Like, you know, they created a
38:09
whole new type of content. They put it on on different
38:14
platforms so that people don't just watch the race.
38:17
People understand the lives and everything that goes behind the
38:20
curtain because that's where we have a disconnect in motorcycle
38:23
racing is somebody will watch motorcycle racing and any
38:27
racing, but you can't connect to the people inside the helmets.
38:32
You know, you're not as invested.
38:34
And if you look at the people that are invested in motorcycle
38:36
racing, they're either invested in the bikes or they're invested
38:39
in the riders or they're invested in a combination of
38:42
both and you. And to get new people into the
38:45
sport, that's what you have to do.
38:46
And the only way you can do that is by taking the helmets off
38:49
these guys and giving them an opportunity to have a voice.
38:53
And you also have to have the right riders because there's
38:55
certain riders that you don't want to put a microphone in
38:57
their face like they they will actually cause you to lose
39:01
customers. They just are horrible on the
39:03
mic, don't know what to say. Look up into space.
39:07
They're guys that end and start every sentence with or so like.
39:12
And then there's other guys that have media training that are
39:14
great speakers, that are personalities that have engaging
39:18
backstories. You know, the Marquez brothers
39:20
have engaging back story. Mark has an engaging back story
39:24
coming back from injury. Pekko has an engaging back
39:27
story. Morbidelli does.
39:28
There's so much if if you can get that content in front of
39:32
people, people will watch it. And you know, they have a couple
39:35
of more documentaries that are coming out.
39:37
There's a Giacomo Gustini documentary that's being done
39:40
right now. And again, the more you know the
39:43
history of the sport and how the sport has evolved and you get it
39:46
out into mainstream, you put it on Netflix, you put it on
39:49
Amazon, you put it on these platforms where millions upon
39:53
millions of people go there looking for content to consume.
39:56
They're going to come across it and they'll sit back and watch
39:59
it, and this is how we engage new people.
40:02
Right, yeah, I I completely agree and looking forward to it.
40:08
But let's talk a little bit more about Moto 2 and Joe Roberts.
40:11
Look at signed into another two year deal with the American
40:14
Racing team with your guys thoughts on that is is he he do
40:19
you think it's well deserved? I mean he was riding mostly
40:22
injury injured earlier this year.
40:24
So he was just really recovering and now he's, you know, he's
40:27
he's top six guy now. Yeah, I've heard he's doing a
40:32
little bit better, man. It's good for him to get another
40:35
two year deal with him. I mean, he's he's when he was
40:38
injured, he was out for like a good part of the first beginning
40:41
of the season, right? Yeah.
40:43
So I mean, it's good that he's able to stay there.
40:45
And I mean, if he's happy, I don't think he's going to get a
40:47
shot at GP now at this point in his career, right.
40:49
So it's good that he got that other two year deal.
40:53
Nice. What are your thoughts, Lewis?
40:55
Yeah, I think it's, it's great to still have an American
40:59
presence in motorcycle racing at the top level, even if it's a
41:02
Moto 2. And you know, he's definitely,
41:05
when he's healthy, he and he's got a good team behind him.
41:09
He's he's shown that he can be competitive.
41:11
You know, this weekend he ended up top six, top 7, something
41:16
like that. I know he was in like the top 6
41:19
the group, him and his teammate, I think they came in like either
41:24
4th, 5th or 5th, 6th, something like that.
41:26
But that's great. You know, that shows that OK, so
41:29
that's great. You know, it shows that one
41:31
they're both on now a competitive bike because they
41:34
ended up, you know, right on top of each other, 5th and 6th and
41:38
now he's back in the top five. So that means that he is
41:41
recovering from his injury as well.
41:43
And hopefully now he can continue to notch up, notch up
41:46
and try to start steadily ending up in that top six or seven.
41:51
Because if you can stay in that top six or seven in Moto 2, even
41:55
if you stay in Moto 2, like that's great, It's visibility,
41:58
it gives you a promise of a career there.
42:01
You're going to keep getting contract renewals.
42:03
You might get opportunities to move to an even better team at
42:06
some point. And, and again, I want to see an
42:09
American in the sport at that level.
42:13
And he's a talented guy. And, you know, I wish him the
42:15
best. I hope his he keeps healing up
42:17
from his injuries and keeps racing the way he did this
42:19
weekend because we need people like that.
42:21
We need somebody representing, you know, the Stars and stripes
42:25
somewhere around the world. Most definitely.
42:29
And not to see it run away with the likes of Connette and
42:32
Gonzalez. Gonzalez because those two guys,
42:35
you know, for, for the, you know, past few, few rounds, they
42:38
were kind of running out there and and kind of looking like no
42:41
one was going to be able to keep, keep up with them.
42:42
But this round a lot of other guys showed up.
42:45
Dixon showed up. Ramirez Arenas, even though he
42:49
he finished where he finished, he was looking pretty good in
42:51
the beginning of that race. So Speaking of another American,
42:57
Garrett Gerloff, he also inked A2 year deal.
43:01
So he's staying in the world super bike for another two
43:03
years. So that's huge.
43:04
Even though he's the only he's only, he's the only one on a
43:07
Kawi over there of complete Kawi.
43:10
Oh really? He's the only one?
43:13
Say that again. He's the only one.
43:14
On what? On a.
43:14
Complete Kawi. Oh, because the other ones are
43:18
combined. Yamoda Yamoda with Kawi motors.
43:23
Yeah, yeah. I mean that's, I think he's he's
43:25
really good fit there. I mean, if anything, maybe he's
43:28
there a tail end where he comes back to Motor America.
43:31
I don't think so. But like good for him and
43:33
another two year deal with them. You know, his his run with BMW
43:38
was done. So I mean, I think I don't think
43:40
he's going back there again, right.
43:41
So good, good, good for him and that's all I could say.
43:44
Another two year deal locked in. It's good for him.
43:48
Yeah. Go ahead.
43:49
Yeah, same here. You know, I good to see an
43:51
American continue to keep a seat in world Super bike.
43:55
Hopefully Kawasaki actually put some money into the program next
43:59
year and and makes the bike a little bit more competitive
44:01
because it seems like this year like that hasn't been the
44:04
program. It's kind of just been a wheel
44:07
out this old shit box and do whatever you can do and and
44:11
that's it, you know, and it sucks because you can see some
44:15
of the Bimodas are outperforming the Kawasaki.
44:18
And I don't think it's just Garrett Gerloff being
44:21
outperformed. I think it's the bike being
44:22
outperformed. So Kawasaki definitely needs to
44:25
do something to help him out and not just give him a bike to go
44:28
and burn tires and gas with. Yeah, I agree.
44:32
I mean, if they're if they're trying to win something, because
44:35
it's we need more manufacturers to, to be in, in these classes
44:40
between, in between Moto GP, World Super Bike, even Motor
44:43
America and Kawi's a staple, you know, still love to bike around
44:48
the world. Yeah, I got a couple in my
44:51
garage. You got to love him, man.
44:55
You got to love him. I I don't dislike Cowie.
44:58
I I dislike Cowie because there was somebody I know that used to
45:01
love Cowie and I disliked him. So Cowie is just clumped up with
45:07
that guy. Collider damage.
45:09
Every time. Liking me now, Louis?
45:12
I'm just kidding. Oh, no, no, no, no, but yeah,
45:21
but I, I hope to see Cali make a comeback because, you know, for
45:24
a long time, I mean, they were the dominant force in world
45:26
super bike and to see where they are at now, you know, I don't
45:31
know what the plan is long term for Kawasaki in the sport bike
45:34
market, but I, you know, I would love to see them do something at
45:38
some point. Because again, we, it seems like
45:40
we're losing the interests of the Japanese manufacturers in
45:45
the high displacement bikes. You know, they keep just
45:48
Wheeling out the same old bikes year after year and changing the
45:50
paint jobs. And, you know, fortunately
45:53
they're going to need to do something.
45:54
They're going to need to make that that bite that bullet and
45:57
and do an investment to really try to compete again in that
46:01
thousand CC range, man, or just stop making bikes then just give
46:05
it up, give give all the business to Ducati and BMW and
46:08
and that's it. There you go.
46:10
They they could have done a partnership with with with
46:13
Ducati instead. For years.
46:15
So this, I mean, I don't know if you guys ever heard this, but
46:17
for years there were rumors where Suzuki and Kawasaki would
46:22
merge to build to invest in one platform that they would both
46:27
sell with different bodywork. Kind of like the way that Nissan
46:31
and Toyota and other manufacturers make the same car
46:35
but with different bodywork to split the development cost of
46:38
developing a brand new thousand CC super bike.
46:42
Yeah, if they were halfway smart.
46:45
No, if you think when you. Said they're going to put
46:47
Kawasaki and Suzuki together. I'm like, what are they going to
46:49
call it, a Kia? No, no, no, it would.
46:51
Suzuki would still sell it as a Suzuki and Kawi would still sell
46:54
it as a Kawi, but they would both invest into the development
46:58
cost of a new motor, a new chassis and everything else.
47:02
And then the bodywork would change.
47:03
So the same way that you know, the Infiniti Q50 and the Nissan
47:08
Maxima are the same car, just with different bodywork and
47:11
electronics, this bike would be that because that would give the
47:15
opportunity for these two manufacturers that are I mean,
47:18
Kawasaki Industries is is huge, but Kawasaki as a motorcycle
47:21
company is smaller and Suzuki as a motorcycle company is smaller
47:25
compared to Honda and Yamaha and this isn't.
47:28
For Yama, I mean, this isn't for Moto GP specifically you're
47:30
talking. About no, this, this would, this
47:32
is, I mean this goes back to like the 90s, early 2000s that
47:36
they would create this investment, that they would both
47:39
develop the same technology together, split the cost and
47:42
then both benefit from this new motor, this new package.
47:46
Because then I could create my Suzuki with my frame, swing arm,
47:50
forks and everything else. You create your cow with your
47:53
and then we both use the same motor.
47:56
And on the on the consumer side, now if you think about it, it's
48:00
the same motor. So the parts are going to be
48:02
more readily available, There's going to be more parts.
48:04
So it does benefit both of them by having a more competitive
48:08
bike that they, neither one of them has to invest, you know,
48:11
$30 million into developing an entirely new package.
48:16
And then that would also at the consumer level, maybe keep even
48:18
the cost of the bike down because each manufacturer
48:21
individually didn't invest this much to develop the power plant.
48:25
They split the cost of developing the power plant.
48:28
I again, you know, I, I'm always looking at the numbers and if
48:32
Kawasaki and Suzuki want to be competitive, this is a great way
48:36
to be competitive and have a competitive motorcycle at a
48:39
competitive price point that nobody else can touch because
48:42
you're not both individually investing millions and millions
48:45
of dollars, you're only investing this much.
48:47
Yeah. I mean, we've seen that in cars,
48:49
right? I mean, I used to have an Eagle
48:50
talent that was ADS. That was a that was a Mitsubishi
48:54
something, something. Motors.
48:56
Because it was Chrysler, Mitsubishi and I guess Eagle was
48:59
a different guy. I don't know what that was.
49:01
But Toyota Super, right? Wow, AMC Eagle is their own spin
49:05
off for Chrysler. Well, the the the Toyota Super
49:08
right now that's a BMWM. What is it, Z7 or Z8?
49:15
And and you know, Lotus does that what they used to do with
49:17
the Celica motor, right? They put the Celica motor in
49:19
their in their car, I think. Yeah, they just did what they do
49:21
best was which was frames and and the way they built the
49:24
motor, I mean the the frame itself.
49:26
Nobody wants to make me the CEO of Kawasaki and Suzuki so I can
49:29
make this happen, unfortunately. No, I don't know about now, man.
49:35
Yeah, but I don't know, It could be good.
49:38
Be good, guys. Well, I don't thank both you
49:39
guys for coming out, man. It's the Be Forever Cool
49:42
podcast. My name is Rex 45.
49:44
Peace. Take care guys.
49:46
Take. Care.