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Normally Podcast: Francesca Hong’s Stunning Wisconsin Loss, Fauci’s Vaccine Scandal & Florida’s Crime Drop · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to Normally the Show with normalist takes
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Speaker 1: from when the News gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine ham Is on vacation, and my guest co
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Speaker 1: host today is my friend Jordan Shaktel, publisher of the
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Speaker 1: excellent substack The Dossier, and senior policy advisor for the
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Speaker 1: Innovation Council.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me, Jordan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Carol, A big shoes to fill, big fan
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Speaker 3: of the show.
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Speaker 1: I fully believe in you, and you know, we get
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Speaker 1: to discuss something positive. A communist lost the election last
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Speaker 1: night in Wisconsin, a communist who was slated to win
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Speaker 1: the election by double digits. The big news is Francesca Hang.
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Speaker 1: She was running for governor Wisconsin and she lost. It
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Speaker 1: was a big upset. All the polls had her leading.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
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Speaker 3: I think it goes to show the power of the
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Speaker 3: democratic machine and how the DSA branch is kind of
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Speaker 3: actively negotiated with these legacy Democrats. The most revealing thing
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Speaker 3: to me was that in the weeks leading up to
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Speaker 3: the election, both Bernie and AOC refused to endorse Hong,
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Speaker 3: and that was kind of like a piece of information
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Speaker 3: that I kept kind of in the back of my mind,
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Speaker 3: and it revealed itself yesterday. I think the surprise upset.
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Speaker 2: So do you think if Bernie and AOC endorsed, she
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Speaker 2: would have won?
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Speaker 1: Because I kind of, you know, I saw somebody say
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Speaker 1: this on X earlier this morning, but weren't all of
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Speaker 1: those people who would have cared about a Bernie or
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Speaker 1: AOC endorsement already voting Hong. I saw Ben Shapiro's kind
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Speaker 1: of echoing that, also saying that you know, they didn't
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Speaker 1: endorse and she would have won.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know, do you really think so?
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Speaker 3: I think there was probably a decision made behind closed
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Speaker 3: doors that they weren't going to push for her, but
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Speaker 3: maybe if she could accomplish it on her own that
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Speaker 3: they would have been okay with that. But it seems
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Speaker 3: like there was some kind of negotiation that we weren't
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Speaker 3: privy to. But I mostly agree with your narrative that
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Speaker 3: you know it was it was really her race to win.
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Speaker 3: They probably could have carried her across the finish line,
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Speaker 3: but decided not to do so for reasons that Democratic
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Speaker 3: Operatives could probably reveal to us but won't.
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Speaker 2: Right, So, David Crowley, the winner of the race.
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Speaker 1: He had dropped out of the race, but then unsuspended
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Speaker 1: his campaign just two weeks ago, as Hung's comments got
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Speaker 1: crazier and crazier and past things that she said were revealed.
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Speaker 1: The fact that they got this guy to like get
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Speaker 1: up off the couch and come back.
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Speaker 2: Into the race.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're right. It shows a Democratic
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Speaker 1: Party still has a machine. It's just curious why they
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Speaker 1: haven't used it to stop any of these other Communists
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Speaker 1: in other races, and it's probably because they agree with
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Speaker 1: them largely but just can't say so.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of you know, it's
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Speaker 3: a flashback to the twin sixteen Democratic primary where all
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Speaker 3: these operations were happening behind the scenes with the delegates
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Speaker 3: and the super delegates and nobody really knows how it works,
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Speaker 3: but you know, they decided that Hillary was the candidate
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Speaker 3: and we're just going to accept that. And that's kind
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Speaker 3: of like the getting off the couch moment for Crowley.
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Speaker 3: It's like, what exactly is going on here?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: That is?
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Speaker 1: That was the moment where I felt like Democrats just
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Speaker 1: they do something that Republicans just don't have. We don't
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Speaker 1: have that smoke filled room.
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Speaker 2: I don't feel like and I mean maybe we did
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Speaker 2: at some point in the past, but like not in my.
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Speaker 1: Adult life where I felt like the Republicans could engineer
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Speaker 1: a candidate to take over. I think every one of
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Speaker 1: the candidates that one, you know, were more popular with
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Speaker 1: actual voters on the Republican side, but on the Democrat side.
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Speaker 2: I just I.
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Speaker 1: Remember seeing Bernie Win, you know, New Hampshire and Iowa
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Speaker 1: and then not in that order, but and then go
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Speaker 1: on to lose the nomination because everybody drops and united
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Speaker 1: behind Biden.
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Speaker 2: It was startling to watch that.
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Speaker 1: And everybody keep keep saying that the Democrats don't have
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Speaker 1: that anymore, that they don't have the ability to stop
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Speaker 1: the DSA anymore. And I guess you're right that last
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Speaker 1: night showed otherwise.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have these like enormously powerful figures, and like
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Speaker 3: the media doesn't really report in full, the legacy media,
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Speaker 3: on how the Democrat operation works, but we know it's
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Speaker 3: you know, very powerful at getting people in line. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's not difficult to recall that the entire four years
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Speaker 3: of the Biden administration, Remember the man was entirely senile, right,
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Speaker 3: and we didn't really even know who was running the
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Speaker 3: country at the time, but this Democrat machine was just
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Speaker 3: like pushing these narratives of Joe being somewhat functional and
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Speaker 3: then like it all changed. It turned on a dime,
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Speaker 3: you know, when they had to get rid of him.
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Speaker 3: So it just goes to show that they can really
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Speaker 3: keep narratives functional together, I think due to their partnership
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Speaker 3: with the media. But this is kind of like a
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Speaker 3: micro example that this. You know, the Wisconsin house race, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: there was.
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Speaker 1: There's actually a story today in the New York Times.
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Speaker 1: There's a column about I didn't I didn't see who
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Speaker 1: I didn't click through to see who wrote it, but
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Speaker 1: questioning Trump's health, Like, come on, you spent four years
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Speaker 1: not saying one word about this guy obviously falling apart
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Speaker 1: in front of all of us, but now now they're
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Speaker 1: super worried about the president's health.
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Speaker 3: You know, what I really enjoyed was the that the
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Speaker 3: president had to take the reporting that he had to
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Speaker 3: take a different plane because of the Iran threat against him,
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Speaker 3: and that all the journalists, I'm sure you cover this already,
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Speaker 3: but all the journalists like had to melt down about
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Speaker 3: the idea that they had to take you know that
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Speaker 3: the actual air force one because of this supposed threat,
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Speaker 3: and Jake Tapper was very upset about it.
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Speaker 1: I just I don't even understand. I have actually haven't
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Speaker 1: covered it. But that's such a good, you know thing
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Speaker 1: to point out that, did they not understand that the
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Speaker 1: Secret Service does not care about anything but the president,
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Speaker 1: Like that is the Secret Services job. They protect the president.
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Speaker 1: They're not looking to see if Jake Tapper feels okay
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Speaker 1: about being on this plane and like they weren't in danger.
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Speaker 1: It's just it was extra precautions because he's the president.
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Speaker 3: Get a grip exactly.
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Speaker 2: So the other big.
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Speaker 1: Race from last night, or I don't know if i'd
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Speaker 1: call this a big race, but Donald Trump had endorsed
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota from Minnesota Governor Mike Lindell, known as the
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Speaker 1: pillow Guy, and Trump endorsements have been doing really well
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Speaker 1: in these last couple of years, and this one not
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Speaker 1: so much.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: He lost his primary last night to Lisa Dumouth. Lindell is,
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Speaker 1: of course, refusing to concede. He says there's anomalies in
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Speaker 1: the numbers that his team is quote unquote investigating at
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Speaker 1: least Minnesotaan's Minnesota onan's what do we call them, did
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Speaker 1: the right thing and kind of voted for the more
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Speaker 1: same candidate.
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Speaker 3: The way I see it is that Trump felt loyalty
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Speaker 3: Lindell because Lindell has done so much campaigning and just
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Speaker 3: like free media for the president. But you saw it
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Speaker 3: during during the during the primary, that he was like
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Speaker 3: he didn't like stick to any policies. He was trying
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Speaker 3: to moderate himself. I guess, so he's like, okay, I'm
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Speaker 3: pro obe and borders now, yeah, and like his perception.
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Speaker 3: I think in a general it would be very, very
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Speaker 3: difficult for him to win any type of general race
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Speaker 3: because he's so he's perceived as so you know, I
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Speaker 3: guess far right, however you want to categorize it. And
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Speaker 3: then he's trying to like come to the middle during
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Speaker 3: the primary. It just didn't make any sense to me.
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Speaker 3: I think that maybe he could have won the primary,
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Speaker 3: but there's a lot of baggage attached to Mike Lindell.
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Speaker 3: But you know, the president feels like I'm sure he
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Speaker 3: felt some sense of loyalty towards him, right.
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Speaker 1: And he you know, Trump loves to be loved, He
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Speaker 1: loves like to have you know, to support the people
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Speaker 1: who love him. He's very he is loyal in that way,
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Speaker 1: and I think he rewards loyalty for sure. But Mike
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Speaker 1: Lindell would not have been my pick for anything. Really
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Speaker 1: any other interesting races last night or I really those
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Speaker 1: are the two that I was watching. I don't think
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Speaker 1: that we really had it much more going on. I know,
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Speaker 1: in Connecticut, an incumbent lost. A former Hartford mayor, Luke
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Speaker 1: Bronan defeated fourteen term Democratic Rep. John Larson in the
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Speaker 1: Connecticut one primary, and that was the big incumbent upset
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Speaker 1: story of the night. But I have to admit I
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Speaker 1: don't really know very much about those two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Michelle Tafoya, the former ESPN sideline commentator, a
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Speaker 3: really nice lady one I think in Minnesota. So I'm
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Speaker 3: excited to see if she can win the general and
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Speaker 3: become a center there. I'm sure it's an uphill battle,
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Speaker 3: but she's great and she's very authentic. I was actually
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Speaker 3: I think she left ESPN to start her own podcast
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Speaker 3: maybe four or five years ago, and she had me
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Speaker 3: on her podcast. We had a great conversation. She's a
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Speaker 3: very genuine person, and I think, you know, those are
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Speaker 3: the kind of people we need in public service or
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Speaker 3: you know, not just the Harvard Yale trained attorneys, but
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Speaker 3: people actually from real America who've had different jobs and
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Speaker 3: different perspectives and also kind of like share our values.
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Speaker 3: So looking forward to seeing what she can accomplish.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said, she's a real person, that is,
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Speaker 1: she's not like just somebody who always wanted to run.
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Speaker 1: I think she saw that she wanted to make a change,
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Speaker 1: and she, you know, ran for this. I think she's
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Speaker 1: got a shot. Or is that am I being too optimistic?
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Speaker 3: With the state of tim Walls, you know, you never
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Speaker 3: know what's coming out of there.
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Speaker 1: The only other one actually South Carolina, of course, had
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Speaker 1: its special Senate race last night to replace Lindsay Graham
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Speaker 1: who died. Darline Graham and Ralph Norman advanced in a
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Speaker 1: special GOP primary, neither one majority, so they're going to
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Speaker 1: have a runoff. I think, I mean, she seems like
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Speaker 1: she's in a good position to win that seat. Do
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Speaker 1: we like even know anything about her beliefs she released anything.
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything like other than from like personal
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Speaker 3: testimonies that she's like maybe slightly more lib than Lindsey
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Speaker 3: Graham was but you know, I think the President feels
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent committed to her, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 3: will help her win the primary.
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Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to take a short break and
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Speaker 1: be right back with more on Normally. We are back
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Speaker 1: on Normally, where my guest co host today is Jordan Shachtel.
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Speaker 1: He has the really excellent substack the dossier, and he's
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Speaker 1: senior policy advisor for the Innovation Council, and he's my
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Speaker 1: good friend in Florida.
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Speaker 2: We have a nice little crew down there. We're going
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Speaker 2: to talk about your favorite person, Anthony Fauci. I know
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Speaker 2: you love him, Jordan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great man of history. If you've read
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Speaker 3: my work, so.
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Speaker 1: You know, it just keeps getting worse with this guy.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, I used to think he was
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Speaker 1: just incompetent, but very early on it became clear he
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Speaker 1: was evil. But even I never thought this evil. I
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Speaker 1: never thought he would have thought that the second vaccine shot,
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Speaker 1: the second COVID vaccine shot, had a potential to cause
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Speaker 1: miscarriages in early pregnancy and not tell anybody, and in
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Speaker 1: fact go the opposite route and pretend that it was
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Speaker 1: all good and pregnant women should get the shots.
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Speaker 2: That is mind boggling to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know for those of us who have you know,
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Speaker 3: either gone through pregnancy directly or have had wives that
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Speaker 3: have been pregnant and you know, successfully had blessings of babies.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's in the pre covid era. You didn't like,
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Speaker 3: it was kind of shocking if a doctor were to
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Speaker 3: recommend like a pharmaceutical injection while we're pregnant. So I
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Speaker 3: thought the whole narrative about it being safe and effective
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Speaker 3: was very strange. And you know, women who would rightly
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Speaker 3: say that, like, hey, this vaccine came just came out,
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Speaker 3: so we don't have any even nine month studies that
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Speaker 3: show that we're definitely sure it's safe. But they were
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Speaker 3: just like steam rolls and overrules and said, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: for the greater good, basically, you know, sacrifice your pregnancy
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Speaker 3: so that you know, we can defeat this virus. And
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Speaker 3: it was all garbage and you know, just pressure from
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Speaker 3: public health bureaucrats and it just became such a mess
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Speaker 3: and it's it's it was. It was a real, you know,
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Speaker 3: negligent criminal act I think by Fauci and his fellow
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Speaker 3: bureaucrats and political appointees in the Biden administration.
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Speaker 2: What was like?
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Speaker 1: What was that? Why did they do that? What was
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Speaker 1: the big thing that we all needed to see?
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Speaker 2: The vaccine?
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Speaker 1: And I want to just say I was not at
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Speaker 1: all skeptical about the vaccine, and I regret that now
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Speaker 1: and in fact, and I give you credit because you
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Speaker 1: were the first person I knew in real life who
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm not taking it. And we were at
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Speaker 1: a party and a bunch of us were talking about
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Speaker 1: how like we couldn't wait for the vaccine to come
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Speaker 1: out so this could all be over, and you were like, Nope,
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Speaker 1: not doing that.
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Speaker 2: Like why why did they lie to us?
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Speaker 1: What was the I mean, you know, I understand the
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Speaker 1: whole pharmaceutical companies pay a lot of money to these people,
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Speaker 1: and there's all of this kind of pressure, but ultimately,
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Speaker 1: like why.
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Speaker 3: You know, as great as some pharmaceutical products are for
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Speaker 3: a variety of reasons that genuinely help people, I think
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Speaker 3: the incentives were so screwed up. You know, we had
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Speaker 3: this fomented hysteria, and the hysteria was dialed up to
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Speaker 3: you know, a multi multiple of anything that we've ever experienced,
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Speaker 3: at least I've ever experienced in my life. And meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: you know, you have the government pushing specifically Pfizer and
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Speaker 3: Moderna to come up with what amounts to a cure
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Speaker 3: and kind of floating this idea that they're going to
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Speaker 3: receive tens of billions, and they ended up receiving hundreds
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Speaker 3: of billions of dollars to produce a product. So there's
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Speaker 3: all these bad incentives that happened when the government has
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Speaker 3: already delivered billions of dollars and they need a product
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Speaker 3: that's supposedly safe, effective, and the cure and what I
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Speaker 3: think came out, and you know, people are free to debate.
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Speaker 3: This was basically like an entirely meaningless injection that probably
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Speaker 3: made a lot of people sick and ill, and it
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Speaker 3: was really unfortunate that that happened. And you know, they
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Speaker 3: partnered with media propagandists who you know, did not a
14:54
Speaker 3: lot of them, you know, writing op ed columns for
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Speaker 3: both right and left wing publications, did not like reveal
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Speaker 3: disclosed conflicts of interest, So it was just a full
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Speaker 3: out propaganda blitz. And you know that I was doing
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Speaker 3: a lot of research on COVID at the time, so
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Speaker 3: I just I you know, thankfully kind of saw through
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Speaker 3: it and was able to, you know, help educate a
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Speaker 3: lot of people on know why we should be more
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Speaker 3: skeptical about you know, these right, these pharmaceuticals supposed it
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Speaker 3: miracle interventions. Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I just I was always pro vaccine.
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Speaker 2: I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I just thought it would be another vaccine and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't at all. It wasn't at all what they said
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Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't at all what they portrayed it as,
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Speaker 1: and it broke so much trust. I mean, I just
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Speaker 1: think of my own trust. I used to believe in
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Speaker 1: health officials. I used to think that they had our
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Speaker 1: best interest and that you have an Anthony Fauci who
15:47
Speaker 1: could not have had our best interest any less. Like
15:50
Speaker 1: it's just it's not possible to get for him to
15:52
Speaker 1: care about Americans any less than he did. It's like
15:56
Speaker 1: it's a it's a wake up call that I did
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Speaker 1: not want to have. And I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: their Americans probably feel the same way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this very revealing text in that exchange
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Speaker 3: released by Senators Johnson and Rand Paul in which Fauci
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Speaker 3: was kind of like talking about that, Hey, you know,
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Speaker 3: there could be some side effects like including like fever
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Speaker 3: and whatnot, and it could affect a pregnancy. And then
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Speaker 3: in a later text he basically said like something along
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Speaker 3: the lines of, but you know, COVID is a very
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Speaker 3: serious illness, and you know this can help prevent that.
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Speaker 3: So basically, like you know, they made the calculation without
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Speaker 3: informing the American people. At least my sense of this
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Speaker 3: was they made the calculation that it was better off
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Speaker 3: to kind of like sacrifice pregnancies, Like this was the
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Speaker 3: calculation they're making because their data showed them that maybe
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Speaker 3: this shot was effective, which I think is just a
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Speaker 3: catastrophic calculation, and they didn't provide any you know, information
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Speaker 3: to the public that they should have.
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Speaker 2: A lot of.
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Speaker 1: People on line right now our debate or debating whether
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Speaker 1: or not there was a spike in miscarriages because of
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Speaker 1: the shot, And to me, that's all really besides the point.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he was right or if he
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Speaker 1: was wrong. He kept information from the American people, in fact,
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Speaker 1: encouraged people to get the shot, even when he suspected
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Speaker 1: it might cause them real problems, including an up to miscarriages.
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Speaker 1: So to me, the debate right now whether or not
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Speaker 1: that really did end up happening. It's just a point
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Speaker 1: to me, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 3: You know the problem with like our adversaries on the
17:39
Speaker 3: I guess the pro that who are still believers in
17:43
Speaker 3: the VACS is that that they can cite data. But
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Speaker 3: I think all of the data is corrupted because like
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Speaker 3: we had this giant hysteria and that you know, you
17:53
Speaker 3: had all these hospital systems being incentivized to you know,
17:57
Speaker 3: write up all these deaths to COVID and then you
17:59
Speaker 3: know how they talk about suppose it unvaccinated versus vaccinated,
18:04
Speaker 3: and like you know this two week window that you know,
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Speaker 3: you're not vaccinated until two weeks after you get the shot.
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Speaker 3: So there's all this weird data that really manipulated a
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Speaker 3: lot of people because you know, the CNN and MSNBC
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Speaker 3: would always you know, talk about all the deaths to
18:19
Speaker 3: be a vaccinated versus unvaccinated. But yet you know, in
18:22
Speaker 3: terms of the miscarriage stuff, Like, I'm not convinced, I
18:26
Speaker 3: agree with you, I'm not convinced one way or another.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, the lack of for informed consent was was
18:32
Speaker 3: the real crime here. And of course, as you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, these pharmaceutical companies are protected from liability if
18:40
Speaker 3: someone's harmed by their injections. So it was just a
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Speaker 3: total total mass and Fauci should should be absolutely held
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Speaker 3: responsible for some of this.
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Speaker 1: Right, there's a doctor, Sneil dond On X. He had
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Speaker 1: this great post about how in this debate. He writes,
18:56
Speaker 1: it is of no consequence whether the miscarriage rate after
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Speaker 1: COVID vaccination zero point eight percent or eighty percent. The
19:03
Speaker 1: issue is that you don't take any chances during pregnancy.
19:05
Speaker 1: There are even warnings against eating certain dairy and taking
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Speaker 1: a tail and all. You don't hide risks from pregnant
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Speaker 1: women or women thinking of becoming pregnant. You must disclose everything,
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Speaker 1: no matter how small you think the risk is. If
19:17
Speaker 1: you hide stuff, you must face consequences. And he says,
19:20
Speaker 1: you know, remember Fauci and the medical establishment were totally
19:23
Speaker 1: okay with mandating the shot and pregnant women and threatening
19:26
Speaker 1: them with consequences like job loss, and now they should
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Speaker 1: face the consequences. And the fact that they won't is
19:32
Speaker 1: the worst part about this is that Fauci got that
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Speaker 1: pardon from Biden, has no consequences. I mean, even his
19:39
Speaker 1: reputation is not as hurt as I think it should
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Speaker 1: be because the left and the media, I mean, they're
19:45
Speaker 1: the same thing, keep covering up for him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like one of the unfortunate is one
19:51
Speaker 3: of the unfortunate things about being Jewish. But you know,
19:53
Speaker 3: like we don't believe in this like eternal hell fire.
19:57
Speaker 3: But I think like that would very much suit a
19:59
Speaker 3: guy like Anthony's. We shall start, right if he's not
20:02
Speaker 3: going to be held accountable in this life. I just
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Speaker 3: don't see, Like, I don't want to lie to your
20:10
Speaker 3: audience and be like, oh yeah, we're definitely gonna arrest
20:12
Speaker 3: him and throw him and get like I could dream
20:14
Speaker 3: of something like that, but yeah, it's probably not going
20:17
Speaker 3: to happen. And now, you know, the only thing we
20:19
Speaker 3: can do is just learn lessons, you know from you know,
20:23
Speaker 3: God forbid if you know, the same public health bureaucracy
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Speaker 3: tries to pull fast on us again, Right.
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Speaker 1: That's the that's that's really all we can do here
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Speaker 1: is go forward with clear eyes and not let them
20:36
Speaker 1: do this to us again. Every time there's a new
20:38
Speaker 1: virus in the news, I see all these people being like, nope,
20:41
Speaker 1: not falling for this again. That's the right attitude. We're
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Speaker 1: going to take a short break and come right back
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Speaker 1: with one more segment of Normally. We are back on Normally.
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Speaker 1: I'm Carol Markowitz. Mary Catherine ham is on vacation, and
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Speaker 1: my guest co host today is Jordan Shackdeal subscribed to
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Speaker 1: his excellent excellent substack The Dossier. He's also Senior policy
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Speaker 1: advisor for the Innovation Council. Jordan, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for doing this. I love talking to you and I
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Speaker 1: are both Floridians. We met actually because we both moved
21:16
Speaker 1: to Florida roughly around the same time. I think maybe
21:18
Speaker 1: you got there first. And the big news in the
21:22
Speaker 1: last few days is that Florida is now the safest
21:25
Speaker 1: big state in America. Clay Travis, who's not a Floridian,
21:29
Speaker 1: but you know he likes us, he highlighted that Miami, Orlando,
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Speaker 1: and Tampa combined had just twenty nine murders in the
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Speaker 1: first half of twenty twenty six, and Miami had just
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Speaker 1: eight murders so far in twenty twenty six, down fifty
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Speaker 1: percent from last year. In New York, crime is also
21:46
Speaker 1: down a bit. Murders are down and Momdannie is taking
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Speaker 1: all the credit, which is hilarious, but Florida is completely
21:54
Speaker 1: outshining it and our results are so much better. What
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Speaker 1: do you attribute that to?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think we have you know, first and foremost,
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Speaker 3: you got to give all the credit in the world
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Speaker 3: to governor to scientists. Who actually is you know, always
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Speaker 3: incentivizing great police officers and emergency services to come to Florida.
22:11
Speaker 3: You know, there's a policy I think that they receive
22:14
Speaker 3: if you move from another police department and you come
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Speaker 3: to Florida and get a job here, you get like
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Speaker 3: a five thousand dollars stipend, which I think is a
22:20
Speaker 3: great policy. But yeah, he's allowing you know, statewide law
22:25
Speaker 3: enforcement to do their jobs. And I think as a
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Speaker 3: right leaning state, I mean even in our cities, we
22:31
Speaker 3: don't have DSA officials right leading the state. Maybe it's
22:36
Speaker 3: like the Democrat is the equivalent of like a I
22:40
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't want to.
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Speaker 2: Speak the Republican.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's interesting to see that, you know,
22:49
Speaker 3: when you allow police to do their job, and we
22:51
Speaker 3: have great attorney generals across the state, you know, under
22:54
Speaker 3: the leadership of James uth Meyer that when you when
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Speaker 3: you look at these statistics quite frequently, the reason for
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Speaker 3: such heinous crime in suburban areas is that they let
23:07
Speaker 3: repeat offenders off the hook, and in Florida, we just
23:10
Speaker 3: don't do that. We put them in jail for a
23:11
Speaker 3: long time, and it's just you know, letting law enforce
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Speaker 3: them do their job.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I think it's that plus
23:18
Speaker 1: the you know push to really get you know, really
23:22
Speaker 1: fight illegal immigration in the state where a lot of
23:25
Speaker 1: other states are just not doing that. I think that
23:28
Speaker 1: that has played a big role. And your point about
23:32
Speaker 1: the people running the cities being basically Republicans, I mean,
23:37
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of people are like, oh, you know, look, look,
23:39
Speaker 1: Tampa and Miami have democratic mayors like barely, really truly barely.
23:45
Speaker 1: And the areas in Florida that are a problem that
23:48
Speaker 1: do have higher crime, like Tallahassee, like Jacksonville, some of
23:52
Speaker 1: the Orlando area, those actually have democratic mayors and that's
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Speaker 1: really what the issue has been. There are hopeful about
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Speaker 1: a Byron Donald's continuing what Dessantis started.
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Speaker 3: You know, I've become more hopeful over the past few months.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's kind of a divide in the
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Speaker 3: Florida GOP. But you know, Byron has really articulated a
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Speaker 3: positive message, super pro innovation, super pro entrepreneurship, and you know,
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Speaker 3: as someone in my late thirties, you know, with a family,
24:26
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I want to hear. I think
24:29
Speaker 3: that some of his primary opponents and the primaries you know,
24:33
Speaker 3: on August eighteenth, have fallen into this trap of just
24:37
Speaker 3: like wanting to ban stuff and that's not really inspiring.
24:40
Speaker 3: Like maybe it appeals more to a to an older
24:44
Speaker 3: generation that's just like wants nostalgia, wants to go back
24:47
Speaker 3: to the way that like the old Florida was. But
24:50
Speaker 3: like I you know, when you when you want to
24:52
Speaker 3: raise a family here and when you want to run
24:54
Speaker 3: a successful business here, you have different priorities. And I
24:57
Speaker 3: think that Byron, to me, like has become the guy
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Speaker 3: with that with that vision.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: I really like all the candidates in that race, with
25:08
Speaker 1: the exception of Fishback, Like I think, you know, j Collins,
25:12
Speaker 1: Paul Runner, they're really good guys. But I also have
25:16
Speaker 1: become sort of encouraged by what I'm hearing from Byron
25:21
Speaker 1: Donald's I think he's going to win in a landslide,
25:25
Speaker 1: are you I saw your tweet actually I know you
25:27
Speaker 1: agree with that, right, You think he's going to get
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Speaker 1: over fifty percent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, A little bit of it was banter that
25:33
Speaker 3: you know, just to like trigger some some people just
25:37
Speaker 3: just for fun, just for good times. But I think that,
25:39
Speaker 3: you know, primaries are always crazy. I also, like, like
25:42
Speaker 3: Jay and Paul, I think that Byron's going to get
25:45
Speaker 3: over fifty percent for sure, and it's going to perform
25:49
Speaker 3: very well. You know, there's like all these hyper online
25:51
Speaker 3: people that are convinced otherwise. I think they're wrong. And
25:53
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the day that Jay and
25:57
Speaker 3: Paul lose to Byron, I think that they'll endorse Buyer
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Speaker 3: and concede professionally. I think Fishback will go straight to Rumble.
26:04
Speaker 3: He'll coill start his own podcasts. Not to offend anyone
26:06
Speaker 3: at Rumble great website, but yeah, yeah, I see that there.
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Speaker 2: Will be following.
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Speaker 1: He's just he's not charismatic enough. Like I get that
26:15
Speaker 1: all these people are in it for the podcasting, but
26:18
Speaker 1: you need to have a personality and he really doesn't
26:20
Speaker 1: have that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's leaning into like the Groyper stuff. But
26:24
Speaker 3: you know, I think that I'm even optimistic, Like I
26:27
Speaker 3: know that the governor and the congressman. Donald's have not
26:31
Speaker 3: seen idee lately. I think some of it is because
26:34
Speaker 3: of the presidential race in twenty four, but I mean, like,
26:38
Speaker 3: I'm not even optimistic that Dal's come together. I think
26:40
Speaker 3: that the governor will campaign for him when the alternative
26:43
Speaker 3: is a Democrat, like you don't want a Democrat take
26:45
Speaker 3: over after your eight years?
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Speaker 2: Super easy call.
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Speaker 1: I think Donald's runs away with it in the primary,
26:50
Speaker 1: and I also think he wins in the general and
26:53
Speaker 1: hopefully keeps leading Florida down a really positive path. I
26:57
Speaker 1: think we have a really good thing going. And whenever
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Speaker 1: sure I am asked about it a lot, I kind
27:02
Speaker 1: of get mocked in our group of friends for talking
27:03
Speaker 1: about Florida so much, but if people ask me about it, okay,
27:07
Speaker 1: I'm always super optimistic about our future because I think
27:12
Speaker 1: all the people that have moved there are working together
27:14
Speaker 1: towards something, and I feel like, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: we're in a good place. Thanks for joining me, Jordan,
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