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Pat Gasperini From Anything But Human On Rock's Biggest Stages With My World And More · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Hey Arrow, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic? How about you?
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  Speaker 2: Man? I'm doing good. I'm sorry about the delay here.
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm up north here, upstate New York, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a bad signal thing going on here, so
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  Speaker 2: there with me. But I'm I'm walking to try to
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  Speaker 2: find a good a good connection. But how are.
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  Speaker 1: You doing very well? You said my favorite word, You're walking.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: You should be doing a transition walk every day, you
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  Speaker 1: mister creative guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I do? I do? I walk, work out exercise
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  Speaker 2: every day. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: See, a lot of people don't understand that that activity. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: we can sit in a room and do what we
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  Speaker 1: need to do, but when it comes to music or
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  Speaker 1: just trying to make a connection to outsiders. It has
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  Speaker 1: to start with becoming a part of that atmosphere out there.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more man, I am. I
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  Speaker 2: am an advocate of it. Uh. You know, whenever we
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  Speaker 2: rolled up into a town or city. Yeah, my bandmates
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  Speaker 2: could attest to it. I'm out doing cardio, walking around,
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  Speaker 2: getting my work at it, and stopping out a local
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  Speaker 2: gym wherever it is. I'm I'm in. I'm in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of getting out and about you guys, were just
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  Speaker 1: recently in Raleigh. How they treat you up there in
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  Speaker 1: that part of the state.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful? Beautiful? That was a great evening. Uh. I think
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  Speaker 2: we were at the Lincoln Theater. Great great venue, great room,
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  Speaker 2: great room, great people. It was a great show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was really really, really awesome. We really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 2: I've been through there before, but that the Lincoln the
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  Speaker 2: Theater is an older theater. It's really nice. It's got
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  Speaker 2: some history. I could I could feel it on the walls,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that. Did the ghost
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  Speaker 1: come out and tap you on the shoulder? Because I
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  Speaker 1: love playing in old buildings because there's always something there
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  Speaker 1: to discover.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that we roll up into
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  Speaker 2: a town or a new city. It's like, wow, this
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  Speaker 2: is really cool. When you when you go into an
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  Speaker 2: older building, you're like, you know, you got some you
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  Speaker 2: look it on the wall and you're seeing some history.
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  Speaker 2: So you always feel something. You always feel that that
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  Speaker 2: that energy. You know what I mean, Yes, I feel
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  Speaker 2: I felt it's there for sure.
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  Speaker 1: How do you deal with the echo because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of those older buildings either have a dead kind of
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  Speaker 1: a dull roar to them or they've got too much echo.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the first thing is having a good
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  Speaker 2: sound guy, and the second thing is we roll We
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  Speaker 2: roll in with in ear monitors, so we try to
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  Speaker 2: and that saves us a lot of headache. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's always controlled. The front house is what's really challenging
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  Speaker 2: in some of those buildings, but most most of most
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  Speaker 2: of the buildings that are doing you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these types of shows got it down to a certain
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  Speaker 2: degree anyway, you know what I mean, I.
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  Speaker 1: Do and that's what I love about. And I'm so
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  Speaker 1: fascinated with what you guys are doing because that routine
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  Speaker 1: is what's becoming the movement and that's what and you
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  Speaker 1: guys are even living that lifestyle. It's not just music,
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  Speaker 1: it is a movement. And and I love that about
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  Speaker 1: your attitude.
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  Speaker 2: One D per Man. I mean, I'm a firm believer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with and connected to all the social
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  Speaker 2: media and digital networking I think, and it's a there's
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  Speaker 2: amazing things that that it can do and grow your base.
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  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is an artist and a band
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  Speaker 2: needs to really connect to a fan and there's no
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  Speaker 2: other way to do it besides you know, getting into
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  Speaker 2: your town and and uh and performing. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that's always been the way. And I'm and I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to see that touring is on an upscale, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, And because that's where it should be. Man,
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  Speaker 2: that's where it should be. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I love the way that you guys get into
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  Speaker 1: the song my world. I mean that you talk about
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  Speaker 1: a song here that instantly grabs your attention. Because I
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  Speaker 1: was that music director that we always had that one
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  Speaker 1: rule in radio if you don't got my attention in
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  Speaker 1: twenty seconds is going in the trash. My gosh. This
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  Speaker 1: when you guys were doing your homework on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we kind of you know, we kind
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  Speaker 2: of connected to the to the idea of what was
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  Speaker 2: going on in our lives and and you know, just
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  Speaker 2: really everything kind of you know, some songs just kind
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  Speaker 2: of write themselves, and this was one of those songs,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Some songs when you labor
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  Speaker 2: over them and you know, it's just you have to
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  Speaker 2: go back and forth and then somes just come out,
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  Speaker 2: and that was one of them.
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  Speaker 1: When you write something so personal, though, how is it
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  Speaker 1: that you're able to just keep it so fresh over
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  Speaker 1: and over again, because I mean it's it's like, my god,
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  Speaker 1: it came from your own personal experiences and now you're
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  Speaker 1: going to sing about it boom now in the showtime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, you know, you know, I personally like to
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  Speaker 2: write in metaphor, so I want to connect to people.
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  Speaker 2: I want to touch people. I want I want to
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  Speaker 2: feel that. I want people to feel, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: and and in their personal lives how they're connected. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a real connection from from from
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  Speaker 2: a band to a fan and and it makes them
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  Speaker 2: their favorite band when they feel like that it's part
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  Speaker 2: of their movement, you know. So that's that's the world
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  Speaker 2: that I I like to live in. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: like if you can achieve that you're around the something,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Does it start off with writing in a journal, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's where I get so many different ideas.
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  Speaker 1: A simple sentence will come to me while journaling, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going, damn, that's it. Go for it, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, honestly, sometimes it's it's it's different every time.
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  Speaker 2: I can't explain it to you. It's just one of
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  Speaker 2: those things that's just take over, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a melody, sometimes it's a guitar riff. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's a lyric, and and and and it's different every time.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could say it's the same formula, but
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  Speaker 2: it's just different every time. You know, it's an emotion,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of it starts with an emotion or
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  Speaker 2: you know, even if one or two people are feeling it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, everybody in the in the band
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  Speaker 2: that can connect to with what you're feeling, and then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it grows into this amazing thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it's really really an amazing thing how
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  Speaker 2: it comes about. But yeah, I feel I feel that
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  Speaker 2: song is really you know, it's just it's a really
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  Speaker 2: simil both. It's a really simple message, you know, don't
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  Speaker 2: take advantage, don't take for granted. You know, the things
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  Speaker 2: that are right in front of you, and when they're gone,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, what did I have? You know,
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  Speaker 2: that type of thing, you know, And it doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be a simple relationship either. It could be things
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  Speaker 2: in life where you just take things for granted, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I love this song,
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  Speaker 1: because it's one of those, especially this time of year.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where you are in this country, but
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  Speaker 1: I know that down here in the South, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: listening to it out out near a lake doing some
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  Speaker 1: r VN. And and you sit down and you really
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  Speaker 1: listen to the lyrics, You're going, crap, almighty, this song
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  Speaker 1: is about me. What the helm? Yeah, I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: you do that a lot, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, thank you. I appreciate that. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, personally, I try to write from you know,
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  Speaker 2: I write from my experiences, my life, my heart. It's
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  Speaker 2: either pain or anger or happiness. And I try to always,
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  Speaker 2: you know, turn that into a positive message at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day. You know, I always try to
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  Speaker 2: turn that. I'm an optimist, so I like to I
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  Speaker 2: like to write with a glass half filled type so
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  Speaker 2: to speak. You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring you up something here that that hit
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  Speaker 1: me yesterday, since you just said half filled. So we
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  Speaker 1: all sit there and we go, okay, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: half full. It's half full. That's positive. We say, if
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  Speaker 1: it's half empty, it's negative. Well what about when you're
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  Speaker 1: filling out a piece of paper and you go, well,
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  Speaker 1: my page is half half empty, and it's a do
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  Speaker 1: you run your pages the same way with a song,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I'm almost there, I'm how do you? How
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  Speaker 1: do you stay so positive even when you're writing a
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  Speaker 1: song and you know there's a lot more work to do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know the years of writing and writing,
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  Speaker 2: what I learned is that if it comes sometimes it's
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  Speaker 2: just you know, dude, it's it's I have to tell
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  Speaker 2: you sometimes, and I know this sounds crazy, it just
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  Speaker 2: writes itself. And then if if i'm if I'm struggling
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  Speaker 2: for a word or a meaning or a lyric, I'll
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  Speaker 2: put it down, you know what I mean. I've learned
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  Speaker 2: to just put it down or I'll just just take
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  Speaker 2: jot notes like I like this line, This makes sense
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  Speaker 2: what I'm feeling. It's see, it's all heartfelt for me,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And that's kind of how
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  Speaker 2: I roll with it. And then I'll wake up the
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  Speaker 2: next day. I'll come revisit it a few hours later
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  Speaker 2: and kind of look at it and say, Okay, this
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  Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. And maybe I'm overlooking
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  Speaker 2: because I you know, I try to knock it out
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  Speaker 2: of the park every time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of how it happens. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: other times where it just happens, you know. So if
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  Speaker 2: the pages half filled, I'll walk away from it for
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  Speaker 2: a second. Then I'll kind of like go back. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's a voice memo, right, I'll go I'll lay down
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  Speaker 2: a voice memo and just circle back and listen to
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  Speaker 2: what I have and say, Okay, how do I want
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  Speaker 2: to answer that? How do I want to follow up
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  Speaker 2: with the second verse? How do I want to you know,
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  Speaker 2: build a bridge? How do I want to climbax the song?
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  Speaker 2: How do I want to just knock people out of
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  Speaker 2: the park and touch them? Right? I want to grab
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  Speaker 2: them and touch them so that's kind of what I
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  Speaker 2: do for me, Stepping away from it for a second
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  Speaker 2: and then coming back to it always works.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Oh you can't move. We're just getting started.
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  Speaker 1: There's more with Pat Gasparini with Anything but Human coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the new song is My World,
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  Speaker 1: But there's other songs we're talking about as well, which
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  Speaker 1: includes time as well as the road. There is so
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  Speaker 1: much that Abh has out there for you and will
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  Speaker 1: continue to grow with you. Do you ever find yourself
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  Speaker 1: in a position where where if we were to sit
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  Speaker 1: back and just kind of look at the journey of
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  Speaker 1: all of music. Let's see in the past fifty to
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  Speaker 1: sixty years, this generation right now with the power of digital,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can drop a guitar riff or a
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  Speaker 1: vocal in a heartbeat onto that smartphone. What did they
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  Speaker 1: use back then? Or was it like you got to
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  Speaker 1: get in the studio right now because you're gonna lose
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  Speaker 1: it even as we speak.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, because yeah, well it was. It was. You
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  Speaker 2: know when I was writing songs, was on a cassette.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have a little cassette, you have a
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  Speaker 2: little voice recorder or of a cassette, and I mean, honestly, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I still write with a pencil or a pen and
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  Speaker 2: a piece of loose leafs paper or where I have
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  Speaker 2: books of you know, have like writing journals on my
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  Speaker 2: journal and then that's where my acoustic guitar or a piano,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where most of my music comes from. The
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  Speaker 2: soft ballad, it all starts there, you know. Then once
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  Speaker 2: I have an idea together, you know, That's how it was.
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  Speaker 2: Back then. It was it was like you got to
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  Speaker 2: get into the studio. There's no other way. You got
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  Speaker 2: like a little cassette recorder, you know, and you're you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, those little walkman's kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was back then. And even before then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you would just have to remember it and
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  Speaker 2: get in the studio and record it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So how many of those rifts on the road were
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  Speaker 1: put away and you happen to just kind of say,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I haven't heard this one in years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I stockpile things constantly now. I mean, now
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  Speaker 2: I use my voice memo because I have a studio
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  Speaker 2: at the house, and I mean there's literally hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: rifts lyrics melodies, you know, pieces like a hook, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I'll make a little note. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: great hook, great story, and I'll just start through them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Traveling is a different you know, for me,
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  Speaker 2: it's like when I'm home, I like to I like
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  Speaker 2: to focus on writing. When I'm on the road, I
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  Speaker 2: want to focus on putting the performance on. And it's
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it gets difficult to write when you're on the
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  Speaker 2: road because you have such a heavy schedule. But you
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  Speaker 2: know you'll you'll you'll circle back and when you have
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  Speaker 2: that moment where you can pick up the guitar and
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  Speaker 2: and all these you know you'll start flashing back. But
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  Speaker 2: now with technology today, you can hum a melody or
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  Speaker 2: a lyric into your phone and just keep it or
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  Speaker 2: jot down, you know. You know, when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: I like to, I like to physically write it out
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm connected to to the lyric.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I know it sounds crazy, right, but
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  Speaker 2: that's just me personally. No, I just the way I've
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  Speaker 2: always been written songs, and I write a lot of songs,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I just feel connected
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  Speaker 2: to it, you know, even if it's a voice memo.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'll you know, I'll spit out a line
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  Speaker 2: or a melody. If I don't have a guitar or
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  Speaker 2: piano at hand, I'm like, I'll just hum a melody
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  Speaker 2: and a lyric, and then when I have a moment
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  Speaker 2: to pick my guitar up and and a pen, I'll
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  Speaker 2: write it down. I'll jot it down, and then sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it morphs into something else. Sometimes I'll write this bang
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  Speaker 2: fucking hard rock, excuse my friends, and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, all of a sudden, I pick up the
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  Speaker 2: guitar and it's like I play these chord changing and
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  Speaker 2: it turns into like a mid tempo ballad, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, or versa. You know, that's the beauty,
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  Speaker 2: that's the beauty about music. For me as a writer,
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  Speaker 2: I no longer following trends is an overthing, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? You want to be relevant. I feel
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  Speaker 2: if you write a great song, it stands a test
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  Speaker 2: of time and and that's it, period, end of story.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a great song, a great song, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you try to chase trends, and you know, and
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  Speaker 2: and novelty, you know, this is hot right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's not longevity, you know, just great music, great bands
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  Speaker 2: putting on great shows, writing great songs. That's to me
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  Speaker 2: that stands a test of time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Like the Metallicas and the Eagles and Darrow Smiths and
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  Speaker 2: you know, they kind of like all jumped on. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they're all teeter tottering with the times. But the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is, you know, when they hit the stage, it
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  Speaker 2: was go time, you know what I mean. And it's
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  Speaker 2: the truth, right, And I feel like those are the
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  Speaker 2: bands that are still around today. You know that many
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  Speaker 2: gimme the bands of coming gone. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 2: tough racket, dude, I'm not saying. You know, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: could jump on a you know, on a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a stick of dynamite and skyrocket off and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and some people could stick and some are gone in
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  Speaker 2: five minutes, you know what I mean. So it just
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  Speaker 2: depends what your journey is and what you're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you keep bringing up time, and I'm we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to talk about that song time because I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what, when you when you went in there
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  Speaker 1: to really kind of create this song, how many times
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  Speaker 1: with you in that studio at home? Did you wake
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night with a new
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  Speaker 1: harmony and you went down there and dropped that track?
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  Speaker 1: Because the harmonies on this dude, come on, these are
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  Speaker 1: some unbelievable harmonies on this song.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that. I happen
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  Speaker 2: to be a harmony freak. I love it, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. I refer to the Eagle. I refer
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  Speaker 2: to the Eagle as I go back, because I'm just
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  Speaker 2: such a big fan of great harmony. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: even even R and B bands that have great harmonies,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just such a fan of it because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it really enforces the hook, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even dude, I'm gonna go back a little bit,
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: even early Man Allen stuff. Those are big harmonies, dude,
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: that enforced those hooks, let alone eddies brilliant guitar playing
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: and songwriting. You know, there's these big hooks that are
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: just getting banged over the head with these great fucking hooks. Man.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, I spend a lot of time
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: with that. I hear, I happen to I happen to hear,
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I hear like the melodies in my head.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I can kind of stack and produce because I'm also
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: a producer and a writer, so I can kind of
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: hear these I hear these things, you know what I mean,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: and then I'll wake up like, oh shit, this is Grid.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you guys are coming out with this new project.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: That's such the perfect time because I mean with iHeartRadio
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: and everybody now taking the word classic out of their
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: classic rock, that opens up the door for what you
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: guys are doing with that alternative rock and that twist
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: of southern soul, because now the opportunity is there. They
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: have no more excuses. This is it. This is the time.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: There's no dude, it's such coming back, you know. I
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: mean I say, we say alternative modern, we're a right period.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: We we have we we we we scratch the surface
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: of classic rock, modern rock, alternative rock. But at the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: end of the day, even pop rock. This is you know,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I feel like time
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: in my world can cross over from active classic heritage
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: to modern. I mean it could be played on the
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: pop station too, you know. So that's what I love
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: about what's going on in genres, and I love about
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: what's happening in music right now. I mean, it's starting
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: to kick ass again, man. And not that I'm not
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: taking away nothing from anybody at all, because everybody's got
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: their own art form. But it's about time that bands
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: are out there swinging and coming out and kicking some
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: ass again, you know what I mean. I feel like
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: people are people are tired of here and quantized. And
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I use all the I'm in the studio all the time,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, and I use it too. I
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: use all the technology, but there's not something fresh about
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: coming out with a band kicking and sweat flying everywhere
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: and just out there kicking ass. It's a whole different
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: feeling and vibe. And I'm glad that it's coming back.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I've never left it. I live by it. I swear
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: by it, even when I'm producing a record for somebody.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, guys or gals, you know what I mean.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: You got to get out there and connect to the people.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: You've got to be a great performer. You can be
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: great in the studio, but you got to go out
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: there and bring it to the people, because once the
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: people connect to you, you got them, you know what I mean.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: You got them, dude, You got them?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: You know well, and that to me also includes the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: swag as well as the merch because I mean, this
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: retro look on this logo, Geez listeners need to go
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: to your dang fricking website and get this one with
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: the retro label because that's the kind of stuff that
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you can be walking anywhere in this country. People are
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: gonna go, what the hell, where's that band from? Where
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: they from? Where are they from? So you're really all
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: standing that outreach, dude.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, man, It really really, it
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: really is. Man. You know, it's a mark of what
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: we're you know, hoping to be a band that goes
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the distance, you know what I mean, have a long
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: jeg and all the elements in the makeup of what
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: we're building here has that and I'm really pleased with that.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And the bands. Please still speaking for the band when
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I say I I mean we, I'm speaking for everybody.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: So that's what's going for And sometimes it gets a
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: little tough out there, but I always say, man, the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: stars will shine, Man, they will cut through. Man, you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: just keep delivering great songs, great performances and and everything
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: else will everybody else will find us, you know what,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, what's happening now?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And you've got to be so excited about what's going
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: on because it seems like I mean, we we've all
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: heard the stories of music where the record label takes
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: over the record label pace for this, a record label
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: pace for that. I get that, But don't you feel
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: more in control doing what you guys are doing behind
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the scenes because there's no I mean, I could never
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: go back to corporate radio ever again because they don't
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: play by my rules. And it's on you're doing it independently, man,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: that's your ride, that's your way to the horizon.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Man, I've been fortunate enough to be
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: on both sides of the fence and and and being
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: in the independent and control of what's happening. You know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: unless there's a case where you have a really great
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: A and R guy and a VP president that totally
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: gets on board with what you're doing. You know, you're
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: up against play. You're up against numbers that means zero,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: You're up against play numbers. You're up against you know
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that that's all bullshit to me. Man. You go to
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: what you you go to a theater and you and
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you see five hundred kids singing your song. That's all
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the fucking proof you need. Excuse my French. That's just
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: where it is for me. You can you can look
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: at all the numbers you want, you know what I mean.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And I know the kind of the radio world would
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, hey, what's going on here? What's going
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: on there being a program director and music director and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: where does this fit? And blah blah blah. You know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of that is nine times out
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: of the ten they're wrong, you know, because corporate's just
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: jamming it down your throat and there and they're and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: they're paying for the play. You know, when you're doing
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: it independently, people want to hear you. They're specifically there,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: they're there for you. Right, So that's a whole different game,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Five thousand of those fans
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: versus fifty thousand of blown up make belief fans are
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: two different games, right Well.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, I came up in the era where
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: we had the forty five's would arrive and we would
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: all sit in that meeting and we would listen to it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: We didn't have the you know, record reps coming into
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the studio or anything like that. And I totally believe
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to the end of my time that I believe that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the reason why I was kicked out of being a
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: music director was because I wouldn't add without you for
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey. Well, that pissed off the record reps. Dude,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: be oh, how dare you do this? And to this
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: day I will still sit there and hear a song
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and go, this an't Mariah Carey without you, this is ABH.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: They know what they're going for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: That's right. I'm proud to say that. I'm proud to
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: say we're spearheading ourselves in a really strong direction. Yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: we know, we know. We want to try to write
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the best songs we can and be the best live
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: baan we can and the rest just will just follow. Man,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I feel like once you
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: tell that story of people, you're gonna you're gonna build
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a family, you know, hopefully worldwide. That's that's the goal.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You know, where can people go to find out more
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about you? Because you, like you said, you're on the road, man,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean you're criss crossing this country. I mean you
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: go from Raleigh to the other cities and all of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're back again, and it's like you guys
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: are you're not saying no, you're saying, let's do it,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: let's rock.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah. We're getting ready to gear back up
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: again here and a couple weeks and we'll be in
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Texas and then we'll be in on the Newst Coast.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: You can find everything at anything but Human dot com.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: You know, you'll find everything, all the socials, everything's there,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, you got to come back to this show anytime
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: in the future. And will you come to Charlotte, Man,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We got to get together for a face to face dude.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, We'll have a drink, a coffee or whatever and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: we'll be yes, And I'd love to meet you in person,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and the band would love to meet you, and I
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: hope we can do another well. We'll definitely be through.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That was a great market for us and we'll be back.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: We'll be back Bobby later in the in the fall.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: We're planning. We're working on another run, a follow up
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to this single, so we're we're working on it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? Okay, sir as you too?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Man, It was a really fantastic speaking to you, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: thank you for your time and your passion for music.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I really love that, and we'll catch you on the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: flip side.