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Finding Chase Massner ep 4: Mom confronts last man to see son · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode four. This week marks three
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  Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.
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  Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and
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  Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner is an
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  Speaker 1: a Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife
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  Speaker 1: told us she dropped him off at a quick trip
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  Speaker 1: in Cobb County, where he works. His family says he
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  Speaker 1: was last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three
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  Speaker 1: years ago on March twenty seven, and it's like he
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  Speaker 1: vanished from that home, not to be seen or heard
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  Speaker 1: from again. If he was able to reach out to
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  Speaker 1: any one of us, would he would. Despite some intense searching,
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  Speaker 1: few clues have been found. She tells me that as
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  Speaker 1: a mother, in her heart, she feels her son Chase
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  Speaker 1: is dead. We have absolutely no answers, not even slightest
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  Speaker 1: clue him. Three years, we're back at square one, Stephanie,
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  Speaker 1: because we have to talk to Brown. That's the missing
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  Speaker 1: link here. Now we know he has refused to polygraph
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  Speaker 1: and then stated again he will take a polygraph. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going looking for him, Okay, okay, Armed with nothing but
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  Speaker 1: my iPhone, and I am going to find him. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask him what happened. I'm gonna see what story
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna tell me, and we'll take it from there.
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  Speaker 1: Will you take a polygraph with me? Meph yes, not
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  Speaker 1: sitting right here. I'll set one up and just spent
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  Speaker 1: the whole of your rest. I mean, I can if
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  Speaker 1: that's what it takes. But it's just don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not a big deal. They're not hard at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean because now and then where you live kind
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  Speaker 1: of right? So are we done? Then he's all the
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  Speaker 1: way all the way here, dude, No man in my
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  Speaker 1: Apartment's the story? No, I didn't know that. I want
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  Speaker 1: to take a shower. The interview I don't want to take.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine not knowing whether your child is dead or alive.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine wondering every night when you put your head to
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  Speaker 1: the pillow, where is he tonight? Does he need me?
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  Speaker 1: Is he hurting? Is he disoriented as he far from home?
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  Speaker 1: Is he dead? This is crime stories. I Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I am talking about missing young man, a husband and
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  Speaker 1: father of two little girls, and I Rocky war Vett,
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  Speaker 1: a son Chase Masner. For so long, his mother, Stephanie Gadina,
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  Speaker 1: has wanted to speak to the last person to see
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  Speaker 1: him alive. That person I called the wild card, Brad Clement,
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  Speaker 1: the last person to see Chase alive. And now Stephanie
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  Speaker 1: is going to join us to put those questions to
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  Speaker 1: Brad Clements that she's wanted to ask for so long.
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  Speaker 1: introduced Stephanie Kadena to Brad Clement in her search for
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  Speaker 1: her son, Chase Masner. Stephanie, what you've been waiting for?
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  Speaker 1: Brad the last person that as of right now we
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  Speaker 1: know saw Chase alive. And I know you've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions hit it. Well, what was the last
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  Speaker 1: thing Chase said to you? When was the last time
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  Speaker 1: you talked to him? Oh, last time I talked to him?
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  Speaker 1: I mean we were just talking about him and amand
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  Speaker 1: it pretty much and uh, you know, it was the
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  Speaker 1: exact words I can't you know, can't remember because I
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  Speaker 1: mean we're pretty much just having a good time like
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  Speaker 1: that was, you know, he'd come over and we were
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  Speaker 1: just you know, again, I pretty much reiterated the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he was a lucky guy to have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a wife and two little girls that loved him. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's all I would ever really tell him
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  Speaker 1: about that. Like, we never got really into depth of
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  Speaker 1: you know, how they were fighting or what they were
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  Speaker 1: fighting over. And I think he mainly just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kind of you know, upbreak from her, and you know
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  Speaker 1: that was what do you think they were fighting around.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think it was about him working and
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  Speaker 1: then her not working, and you know basically you know
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  Speaker 1: her you know, wanting more money or something and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was mad at her because she wasn't working,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he was working his butt off like
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  Speaker 1: a quick trip all the time. And I think she
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  Speaker 1: was about to get a job. She had just gotten
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  Speaker 1: a job, right, And um, you know that's really I
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  Speaker 1: mean the extent of like kind of what we talked
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  Speaker 1: about with him. I mean it it seemed that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't that really wasn't like why he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: come hang out with me. I think it was more
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  Speaker 1: or less just to get away from her, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to kind of have a break from her. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean whatever he said about like going to sleep
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  Speaker 1: in the woods and stuff like that, like I never
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  Speaker 1: I never really believed him. You know, I thought, did
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  Speaker 1: he actually say that to you? Yeah, he actually said that,
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  Speaker 1: But it was more like he told her that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rather than it wasn't like telling me that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sleep in the woods. He's like I
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  Speaker 1: told her I was gonna go sleep in the woods,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as you know, just to kind of had
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  Speaker 1: he ever actually done that before? And I mean that
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  Speaker 1: that I think he was telling her that just to
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  Speaker 1: kind of get her to you know, just scared you know,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, try to get her to listen more.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I never all the PTSD stuff or
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  Speaker 1: the bipolar neist. I never saw that in him. Like
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  Speaker 1: he was always really happy around me and you know,
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  Speaker 1: really cheerful guy, like he was fun to be around.
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean, he was a nice guy. Like that's
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  Speaker 1: why I was, you know, all about helping him out
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  Speaker 1: the best I could. Like, I mean, he never never
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  Speaker 1: seemed like the suicidal type or anything like that. Like
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  Speaker 1: I never saw that part of him at all. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't that side of Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: he seemed like I mean I just remember like his
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  Speaker 1: ring tone from being over my house that day was
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  Speaker 1: the Pharrelle song where it's like I'm happy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his ring tone and everything, and like you know he
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  Speaker 1: would like you know, dance to it, and yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was a really happy guy like I oh, it was funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And like I never saw this you know bipolar you know,
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  Speaker 1: crazy meaning that Amanda would kind of paint to me
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  Speaker 1: about it, you know, from the couple times I talked
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  Speaker 1: to her, like the twenty years before that I raised
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  Speaker 1: him before join the army. I never saw it either. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and like I said, I didn't really know
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  Speaker 1: him that long, but I never never saw that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that dark side of him that people say or you know,
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  Speaker 1: just from the talk on Facebook and all that like.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's another thing that you know, just bothered
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  Speaker 1: me about this whole thing, was that it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: I never saw any of the stuff that that you
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  Speaker 1: know of him, you know, being you know crazy to
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  Speaker 1: Amanda or whatnot, or the stuff that she says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: about them fighting. What does she say that he did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just what it's I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: does she say just you know about screaming in front
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  Speaker 1: of the kids and stuff like that, and that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: much you know what she just out of the car. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but they start arguing about um something, and then he
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  Speaker 1: would start screaming in front of the kids, and then
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  Speaker 1: she would make him get out of the car to
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  Speaker 1: stop yelling in front of the girls. Pretty much. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's that night she dropped him
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  Speaker 1: off at that Quick Trip that um they were screaming
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  Speaker 1: and yelling in front of the kids. But when I
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  Speaker 1: picked him up, he was inside the Quick Trip you
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  Speaker 1: know already kind of you know, being Chase, funny guy,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know the picture that it looks like he's
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  Speaker 1: like really messed up on drugs. They usede on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: like he was just what were the choos because he
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  Speaker 1: was holding energy d Yeah. Yeah, and he was just
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  Speaker 1: messing around, like just being funny guy. You know. That
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  Speaker 1: was Chase. You know, he was, you know, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: just you know, laid back guy. That was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a smoker, you know, just chill. And that's I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of just some of the you know, I enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: being around him. I thought he was a cool guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And that's happened that day. So you pick
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  Speaker 1: him up that night at quick Trip because you got
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  Speaker 1: a call to come get him. And where did you
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  Speaker 1: guys go? Just my house And that wasn't very far away.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you could walk there from the Quick Trip
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  Speaker 1: And when you got home to your place that was
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  Speaker 1: like a four bedroom something something hum and you stood
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  Speaker 1: up all night putting a computer together. And what was
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  Speaker 1: he doing? Just you know, talking like he loved I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was sitting there talking to me about stuff and
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  Speaker 1: like we were just you know, he wanted to um.
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  Speaker 1: He asked me about getting some of them those paint pills,
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  Speaker 1: the things or whatnot. And I guess him and Amanda
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  Speaker 1: had had been you know, getting gotten from Alan before them.
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  Speaker 1: What are they the roxy contents. Yeah, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: was telling you earlier. But you know I told him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from my experience with that stuff that stuffs
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  Speaker 1: the devil, Like I was in a motorcycle wreck and
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  Speaker 1: I was prescribed those for like a long time. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's just like, if you're not taking those,
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  Speaker 1: you don't need to take them. Don't take him because
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  Speaker 1: it stuffs the devil to get off of. And so
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  Speaker 1: he stayed up all night with you talking about Amanda
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  Speaker 1: and him. I mean, we didn't really talk about amand
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  Speaker 1: and him that long. You know, There's been one theory
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  Speaker 1: floating around that Chase had been mad and his mom
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  Speaker 1: that night, but he never mentioned that to you know,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, did he mentioned that he had been arguing
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  Speaker 1: with Amanda. Yeah. There was nothing about his mom that
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  Speaker 1: he said in any kind of negative way. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there was, I mean that that was you know, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know he loved you and
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  Speaker 1: little girls like because he was even saying that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how he would stay you know, with you and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like nothing negative though, Like there was nothing that he
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  Speaker 1: was mad at you about anything at all, Like I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say that, you know, he was married about anything,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's nothing came up that he said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: oh well my mom, you know, did you know whatever?
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  Speaker 1: It was only him an Amanda, Like I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: the only person that he had it out after, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with I mean for sure, I mean, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's been you know, three years. But I guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: that if he would have said something about you know you,
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  Speaker 1: if I would have remembered it. And I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: so the day that he goes missing, you get up
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  Speaker 1: that morning around eight am to go deliver the computers
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  Speaker 1: or Ricky, and you come back. He's there. You want
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  Speaker 1: to work in your bed room where he is, so
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  Speaker 1: you moved him to a guest bed room. He's asleep
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  Speaker 1: on the bed because he's been up all night talking.
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  Speaker 1: And then you go to publics and lows. You get
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  Speaker 1: back around two and what happens. I started cooking, started
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  Speaker 1: cooking for you know, because I thought I was under
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  Speaker 1: the depression that a man was going to come over,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he was gonna come over and I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be able to kind of talk to him
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  Speaker 1: on neutral ground. Why don't you think she was coming
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  Speaker 1: because I talked to her earlier, And I mean I
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  Speaker 1: talked to her. I talked her on the phone, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with the I talked her on text messaging from his phone.
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  Speaker 1: So see, I thought you told him to call her. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: I did tell him to call her, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: he did, but that was after I gave him his
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  Speaker 1: phone back. Okay, you know, so you called her and
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  Speaker 1: did she says she had debate a hearing or something
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  Speaker 1: all day? No? See, she didn't say anything like that
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  Speaker 1: to me. Did she says she was going to come over?
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  Speaker 1: She never really said that she was going to be
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  Speaker 1: there for sure. But that's kind of why I told
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  Speaker 1: Chase to call her, and just you know, because I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to kind of squash this and just you know,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of get him at together. Yeah, and just
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  Speaker 1: because they seem like, you know, it was just something
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  Speaker 1: I actually taught to her and texted with her that
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  Speaker 1: day from Chase's fun Okay, yeah, and uh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's I was just trying to help, like, and
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  Speaker 1: that's all I was ever trying to do, was just
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  Speaker 1: trying to help. You know, I thought I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was helping at that point, because, um, did you say something?
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  Speaker 1: Did you get the feeling that Chase did not want
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  Speaker 1: her to come over? Yes? I did, and that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know what you know was, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: I wanted her to come over so that they you know,
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  Speaker 1: I could say that, Why did you say you got
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  Speaker 1: that feeling? Because when I asked him to call her
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  Speaker 1: and woke him up, he was just like, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: like he did that really, like you know, why did
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  Speaker 1: you do that? Brad? And I actually like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this needs to be done so we can you know,
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  Speaker 1: get past this. And you know, I thought, why, I
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  Speaker 1: just thought I was helping at this point, Like I
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  Speaker 1: really thought that, you know, I was actually doing some
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  Speaker 1: good because the first time, you know, they you know,
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  Speaker 1: both of them were like thanks for talking, you know
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  Speaker 1: to Chase, YadA, YadA, YadA. And so I'm under this
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  Speaker 1: impression that I'm actually, you know, helping out you know,
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  Speaker 1: this couple that's got these two little girls and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and doing actually, you know, a good deed. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if if I would have known it was
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  Speaker 1: going to end up like this, I would have just
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  Speaker 1: you know, been like, hey, guys, I'm sorry, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't know what else I
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  Speaker 1: can do, but just tell you guys that you need
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  Speaker 1: to work it out on your own stuff. Did you
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  Speaker 1: want to know about that Friday? When Brian went back
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  Speaker 1: over to Well, we actually started talking about that earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Friday is the day that I reported Chase missing. And
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  Speaker 1: then I just did it out of a motherly instinct.
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  Speaker 1: And then I called Amanda and said the sheriff's on
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  Speaker 1: his wedding because I'm I'm recording him. Miss um. That
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  Speaker 1: was around noon on Friday, and we did the report, um,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted her to stay with me because I
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  Speaker 1: would I was panicked. Um. And is that the night
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  Speaker 1: that she called you and had you come to her house?
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  Speaker 1: But it was probably eight o'clock before I got over there.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't leave tell around six or seven, but she
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  Speaker 1: had to build. I mean it was dark outside, and
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  Speaker 1: I know because I had my husky with me. I
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  Speaker 1: brought him over there, both little girls. I said, I'd
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  Speaker 1: always take him to like the Ronald McDonald house and
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  Speaker 1: the Shepherd's Center and stuff like that. So you take
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  Speaker 1: your dog to the Ronald McDonald house. You have taken
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  Speaker 1: him there before? Wow? Okay and Shepherd's final Yeah nice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So why did she call you after Chase goes missing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I thought she just, you know, she was like,
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  Speaker 1: can you bring me some pot? Like what I thought
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  Speaker 1: she just kind of wanted to talk and and smoke,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I kind of wanted to kind of
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  Speaker 1: go see what was going on with all this if
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  Speaker 1: he was really missing, and just you know, like because
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  Speaker 1: at this point I had no clue what was going on,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, and uh so I just went over
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  Speaker 1: there and talked to her, and you know, she seemed
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  Speaker 1: kind of like not so frantic that he was missing, though,
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  Speaker 1: like that she you know, that wasn't really what she
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  Speaker 1: was worried about. It seemed like that she was more
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  Speaker 1: worried about getting in trouble for something like like the
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  Speaker 1: pot that they had grown or something like it. Just
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  Speaker 1: it just seemed like her I guess her morals were
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  Speaker 1: off on it. I mean, just did she even mention
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  Speaker 1: where is he? What happened? I mean, she she asked like,
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  Speaker 1: do you know, you know if he was really suicidal
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  Speaker 1: or you know, It's like, why was she asking me
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  Speaker 1: this when she knew him better than I did, like,
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  Speaker 1: and she knew what he was like that the first
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  Speaker 1: time anybody said suicide was her? Yeah, I think so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean did she she asked me, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: did you know what kind of mood was he in?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, he was happy, like he
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  Speaker 1: seemed like, you know, it was just good old self,
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  Speaker 1: Like didn't seem like the guy that would run off
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  Speaker 1: and hide in the woods or something like that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was never under any kind of impression that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that he was going to do that. What else did
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  Speaker 1: she sigh while you were over there? Did she get high? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: She scripped the grinder that I brought over. Um, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I pretty much just played with the dog
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  Speaker 1: and let him play with the little girls and the
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  Speaker 1: other I guess they had another dog over there, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just just playing with my dog really, and
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  Speaker 1: like I felt bad for the little girls, like just
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you know, because man, it just didn't really seem like
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: she was focused on much kind of just you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: was just didn't seem like somebody that lost her husband
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: or like knew that he was, you know gone. Did
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Sydney the oldest girl realized anything at that time. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: don't think so. So she was smoking in front of
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: her kids, yeah, I mean the kids were like inside.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I mean she wasn't like sitting there like you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: we were on the back porch and then I mean
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: she was just you know, because I had like a
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: little grinder that my roommate had that had like the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: resin stuff in it you can like scrape out. I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: mean that's all I even had because I wasn't even
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: smoking at that point, and you know it was and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't over there too long either, you know. Really
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it's like I brought her the pot. We talked. She
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: was upset that Stephanie cop police. I mean she didn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: really say, like, you know, anything about Chase's mom, Like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: she didn't really bring anything about that up like that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I can remember. Why would anybody ever thought Chase was suicidal?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I never said it. I never said that. Did you
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: think did you go under the premise that Amanda had
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: come and picked him up from your house while you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: were at Low? Was I was ship picked them up
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: when I was either like right where I was at
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Public's or right when I got back, like because when
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I went upstairs to go get him. I mean, I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: was like, I ran up there because I had set
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the backyard on fire, and I was like, man, did
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you you know I just remember I was kind of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like really, you know, I had a lot of energy
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: because I just put out this big fire in my backyard.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And that's when I realized he wasn't there. And then
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I you know, the roofs because they had just come
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: inside because I had to get them off the roof
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: because it was so smoky, and you know, I asked them,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, did y'all see my buddy leave? And
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you know, they were like, you know who? You know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it didn't like nobody was there, like type deal and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you know, the other three Hispanic guys didn't really speak English,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: so you know, I just kind of you know the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: one yeah, Brandon, Yeah. But I mean I was always
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in the impression that they thought that they saw him leave,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: just because they were up throw on the roof and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I was coming and going, and you know
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that they didn't. I guess not. I mean I always
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: thought they did. But there was a voicemail when it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: or a voicemail where you left Chase a voicemail on
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: his phone, Hey, man, where did you go? Something like that? There? Yeah, okay, yeah,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's when I was like calling him,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to you know, figure out, you know.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But that's what he always did. He always left, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and just wouldn't return my calls, like for a couple
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of days, and then we'd be like, yoh, man, I'm
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'm doing such and such or
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I left with a man. Uh And because I was
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the first time I talked to him, that's the same
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: thing he did. Like they just he just left, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and didn't tell me he was leaving, and you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a man, it would just show up all of a sudden,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and I think she'd be like, hey, I'm here, come on,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: let's go. And that was that. And then the voicemail.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Didn't you say, hey, man, the roofs saw you lead,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: where'd you go? Something like that? I mean, I don't know.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I was probably just saying that just so he'd come back, Like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, because I just wanted to. I bought all
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this food too, and I had, like, you know, just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: wonder if it went to waste, and I wanted him
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to come back just to kind of you know, eat
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: some food and kind of squash the whole thing with
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: him and Amanda, Like I really wanted to. I really
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: thought I was helping at this point, so I really
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him like both you know, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: kind of just like like I said, I mean, at
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: this point, I thought I was helping now, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, I guess you know, they had their
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: own agenda or whatnot. I mean, when you went over
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there to save her that night after shake call, do
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you and wanted you to come over, did you ever say, well,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: didn't you pick him up? Yeah? I mean that's that's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the whole thing I told her. When she's calling me
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the first time, She's like, no, I didn't pick him up,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like and then that was that like like you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and then we would talk about something else. It was
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: just like that's that was the big thing was that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: she just never seemed that worried, Like she never seemed
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: like she didn't know where he was like that. It was,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you know, she was more wanting to get stoned or
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of wanting to you know, I guess just
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, get on with her life or something. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. It was just she never seemed that concern.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: How did her place with Nate clean? I mean she
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: had like two other roommates. It was like, um, it
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was pretty clean. I mean it didn't seem asking she
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: had rainmates. Well I guess she had her sisters. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and uh, I wondered a place ever talked to him?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because what was it? Like they
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: said he was like the Walgreens or something or the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: not Walgrains, but at the BP off Wade Green or
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: something like. The following night, Yeah, we got a report
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that that was a um, I don't some kind of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: gas station. Yeah, I don't know who reported it, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it was because they were told that Chase one to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: go get some beer and he didn't have his license,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: so he asked you to take him to the BP. Yeah. See,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I just want have bought him beer because I knew
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: he was twenty one and it was right there with
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the quick trip. We were talking about that earlier, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I mean that that was just yeah, yeah, I mean
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they knew he was on and like it's just you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: just random stuff like that that you know, it's really
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: kind of respond to what everyone's saying about you on
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Facebook and social media. How do I respond just I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: just you know, every time I've said anything, it's you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: been turned around or you know I said this. You know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'm changing my story, and it's like my story might
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: have changed by like an hour or something, just because
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where I was at this point.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But it's been the same the whole time. I mean,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just try to stay away from
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the Facebook. Just I mean, it's how many times have
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you talked to Detective Twigs? Oh? I talked to him
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch, like right after, you know, anytime we call me.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I talked to him, and I let him come to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: my house, search my house, you know, when the dogs
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: came out, and let him walk around. Like I mean,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: There's there's been nothing that I've tried to like hold back,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you know, anything anyway that I could have helped, I've tried,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and I've I've done everything anybody's asked of me,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: police wise, legal wise, and you know, yeah today when
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I shut up the door, just open the door and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: we went in, I mean, another preparation a warning. Brandon
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Duck said that he tripped over what looked like a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: grave in your backyard, and you said that he was
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: your dog? Is that true? Yeah? Yeah, that's a little tiny, tiny,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: tiny little stone that says uh bandit on it. Yeah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and that was my my ex girlfriend's dog. So yeah,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but as I forgot about that's sad as my my dog.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: That's how I have my husky that I have now.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Actually that's like a whole nice story. So and he
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: swears if I hug came up, will take a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of doctor And I think you will. I mean, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: will kill it as I did. I mean, so I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: don't really think he was the last person to say Chase.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wish I could tell you more. I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: really do. I really wish I could tell you where
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: he was. I really did one bag right, so he
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: could have left with that a backpack he left? Was that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The only thing we haven't checked is that guy down
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the street who we think if they still live there now, No,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. I want to out there, but I don't know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Police have, probably because Chase I told police about Hi.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I told police about that. I did tell police that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: dude was selling stuff and that Chase wanted to go
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: over there, right, So, I mean, do you even wanted
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Chase money? I did, and This is the thing that
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: strikes me. M if you gave him sixty dollars, he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: didn't go lead right then to go get whatever did
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: because he went to sleep. Yeah, and usually he wasn't
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like the record somebody did it, especially yeah, especially if
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you're talking about gets some heroin or something you're gonna
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you don't go to sleep in hand believe, did he
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: talk to you about heroin? I mean I didn't even
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: know he'd use heroin. I was never did. I mean,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like listen, I've never heard anything about him using heroine. Yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: he won't, right, I never heard anything like that at
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: all before. And he I mean I was very aware
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of their pot smoking because he would always say to me, Mom,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: if you wouldn't just try pot and stop drinking wine,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be so much more healthy. So we would
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have like a mother's son debate back and forth. Um,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it's not something he hid. But he never ever talked
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: about using hard drugs. Just tell me, did he was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: he heroin? No? I mean that that was one thing
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that like you know, and then ever mentioned to you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that he was using heroin. No, I was never another
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: score heroin around you. No, No, he would have there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: were Chases um dealer back in in high school. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: did not even know him then. I mean like i'd
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: know Chase Gosh maybe a couple of months like when
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: all this had happened. But no, I was never a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: dealer to to people. And and did you know Clint Garrison?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Was that his friend or was
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: one of his friends? But no, I don't know any
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of this night. Who was Alan? Alan was my roommate,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: right okay, oh yeah, right right yeah, And he's the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: one that started the whole heroin thing with me because
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Fregan Um, he was doing the pills with them, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: uh like would basically hook them up with the roxy pills,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Alan with hook Amanda and Chase with the roxy pills.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And he had like a pain pill you know, addiction
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: thing going on, and he knew that I had had
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: them from when I was in my motorcycle wreck. And uh,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean he would always try to get me to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: go back to like the pain clinics and stuff to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: go get to get him so he could have him. Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and it's like right and uh and I mean that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: was you know, I never, like I said, wish that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: upon anybody opiate addiction is one of the worst things
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in the world. I mean that that's about killed me
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: when I had to stop taking him. I mean it
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: was you know, I was on a lot. Do you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: think Chase would have killed himself? No, no, there's not
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: one one part of me at all that things you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: would have done that, like, I mean just for his
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: little girl's sake. I mean, I know he loved this
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: little girls like and there's no sidal. He wasn't even depressed.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I was happy. He was the three he was with me.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: He was happy, he was loving. He would be pugged me.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: He seemed like, if anything a man, it was bringing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: him down and he wanted to get away from her.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It was bringing him down. Like when she came to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: when she called him and she told him to get ready,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he did not want to go. He did not want
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to go. And the closer she got, the more agitated
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he got. And then when she they were screaming in
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: each other on the phone, and he was holding the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: phone out like this because she was screaming aloud. And
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: then she when she got there, he was telling her
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that maybe it would be best if we wait till tomorrow,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: something along those lines, and she was in the driveway.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: She said, I'm in the effing drive driveway. What do
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you want me to do? So he just threw his
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: phone down and started getting his stuff together. Is there
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: any reason that makes you think she picked Hi at
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that night? Just because of you know the fact that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: she never came over to my house to look for
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: him there. That is like a big thing for me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That and then the way she called when I talked
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to her, when she called me and was almost just like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, he's not there, you know, just not
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: really caring. You know, it just didn't seem like it
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: was that important to her that he was missing. And
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that's kind of you know, just you know, that's what
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I was kind of talking about this morning, was you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't she show up at my house and just
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: be like, you, look, where's Chase? If he that was
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the last place that he was seeing and she knew
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he was there, why wouldn't she just come over there
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and make sure you know that he wasn't there, Like
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: when she wouldn't know you, I would have been at
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: your door, yeah, and who you were? I mean, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: she knew there, she knew she'd been in the house
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. She knew how to get there,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: so that's what she says. She doesn't know how to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: get there. That's that's bys like, she knew how to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: get to my house. It's not very far from the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Quirk trip and she had been there several times. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just for her to call me
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and tell me to come over to her house, you know,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: instead of you know, the last place that he was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: seen missing and you know, seriously looking for him, not
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: coming to my house like just was kind of a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: red flag to me. And you know that's why I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: always just thought this was going to just blow over
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and she would end up, you know, saying you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: where he was or whatnot. And I mean I never
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: imagined it would have gone to this extent of him,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you know, not being found or shown up like I just,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you know, never realized it would, you know, come to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this what a day. I feel like a wet wash
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: rag just limp after hearing and seeing and experiencing what
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: all Stephanie Kadeena has been through even now in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: search for her son Chase mass Amanda, won't you come
• 32:01
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• 32:05
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• 32:09
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• 32:50
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• 32:58
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