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Consequences Are Coming for Widespread Fraud | Episode 289 · V

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to Vince. On a Thursday, it's great
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Speaker 1: to have you with us as always. We've got a massive,
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Speaker 1: massive show ahead. Actually, a great guest is coming up
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Speaker 1: on the program.
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Speaker 2: We have Dr. Robert Redfield.
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Speaker 1: Remember, he was CDC director under President Trump in the
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Speaker 1: first term.
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Speaker 2: He's joining us today.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to him about that epic whistleblower testimony before
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Speaker 1: the Senate yesterday and about Anthony Fauci's cover-up of the
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Speaker 1: origins of COVID.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot to discuss. on that issue ahead on
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Speaker 2: the program. Of course, today I want to give you
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Speaker 2: an update on the president's trip to China.
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Speaker 1: We just got some updates overnight. Of course, most of
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Speaker 1: the activity in China is happening while we're sleeping. So
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Speaker 1: I'll catch you up on what was happening while you
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Speaker 1: were catching your 40 winks. And then we've also got
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Speaker 1: the issue of resolving fraud in the United States.
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Speaker 3: J.D.
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Speaker 1: Vance is all over that big announcement. Man, we've got
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Speaker 1: so much to get to. We'll do that today on
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Speaker 1: looking marvelous this morning. Thank you very much. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: you for saying that. Yeah, I got the jacket on
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Speaker 1: this morning. I try to put the jacket on when
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Speaker 1: we have guests.
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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I thought Robert Redfield this morning,
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Speaker 2: maybe he's wearing a jacket. I don't know. We don't
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Speaker 2: call each other in advance. Like, hey, what are you wearing?
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Speaker 2: I'm going to wear the right thing. No, it's just,
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Speaker 2: I'm just prepping.
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Speaker 4: Who knows?
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Speaker 2: Don't want to be too underdressed.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: So we look forward to that conversation with Robert Redfield.
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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this whistleblower. And I do want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you. If we can fit it all in,
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Speaker 1: I think we can today. I want to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about one of the claims that he made yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the CIA whistleblower, that apparently some CIA agents went over
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Speaker 1: to Tulsi Gabbard's office and were grabbing JFK files and MKUltra,
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Speaker 1: you know, the mind control files, grabbing them and then
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Speaker 1: seizing them, not letting her declassify them for the American public.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go through the sort of what we
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Speaker 1: know at this hour summary. And we're learning a lot.
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Speaker 2: So we'll go through that. in its entirety.
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Speaker 1: But first, let me get to the President of the
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Speaker 1: United States and China. So President Trump heads over to China,
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Speaker 1: brings the whole team with him, brings a ton of
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Speaker 1: CEOs with him. And overnight here in America and during
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Speaker 1: the daytime there in China, apparently they had a great day.
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Speaker 2: They had a great day.
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Speaker 1: The President was very gracious, very happy. Xi Jinping and
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Speaker 1: the Chinese delegation, they pulled out all the stops to
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Speaker 1: try and really take care of President Trump and his
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Speaker 1: team and impress him and and.
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Speaker 2: Just be good hosts. That's just true. That's what they
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Speaker 2: were doing. And the president and Xi Jinping, of course, met.
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Speaker 1: They had what they refer to as a bilateral meeting,
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Speaker 1: where the two of them just talk. At one point,
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Speaker 1: the president did bring in a bunch of the CEOs,
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Tim Apple and the rest of them,
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Speaker 1: so that they could try and advance American business interests
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Speaker 1: in China.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, that was on the agenda. But let me give
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Speaker 2: you the U.S. readout first, and then I've got some
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Speaker 2: video for you. Here's the U.S.
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Speaker 1: Readout of this conversation with President Trump and Xi Jinping.
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Speaker 1: And this is what we— you always look at the readouts
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Speaker 1: because these are just kind of the top-line summaries that
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Speaker 1: are meant for public dissemination. But both countries, in any
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Speaker 1: bilateral situation that's behind closed doors, both countries will offer
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Speaker 1: their own interpretation of events. They'll have their own summaries,
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Speaker 1: their own priorities, despite the fact that they were all
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Speaker 1: part of the same conversation. And here's what President Trump,
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Speaker 1: the White House is saying this morning. They said that
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Speaker 1: President Trump had a good meeting with President Xi of China.
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Speaker 1: The two sides discussed ways to enhance economic cooperation between
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Speaker 1: our two countries, including expanding market access for American businesses
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Speaker 1: into China and increasing Chinese investment into our industries.
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Speaker 2: Not a shock.
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Speaker 1: That seems very Trumpian, very Trumpian. The president would be like,
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Speaker 1: how do I get China to spend more money on America?
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Speaker 1: Leaders from many of the United States' largest companies joined
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Speaker 1: a portion of the meeting, as I mentioned. The president also,
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Speaker 1: the presidents also highlighted the need to build on progress
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Speaker 1: in ending the flow of fentanyl precursors. into the United States.
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Speaker 1: What did I tell you yesterday? That's got to be
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Speaker 1: a big topic. And right there near the top is
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Speaker 1: this issue of how do we keep Americans alive?
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Speaker 2: China has been menacing when it comes to this issue.
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Speaker 1: We've had hundreds of thousands of Americans killed, millions killed
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Speaker 1: because of the drug overdoses, because China has been just
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Speaker 1: pumping the fentanyl precursors into our system here.
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Speaker 2: Just horrific. The president confronting that yesterday was Xi Jinping
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Speaker 2: looking to stop that.
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Speaker 1: Also, They talked about increasing Chinese purchases of American agricultural products.
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Speaker 1: I know that soybeans was apparently a big part of
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Speaker 1: the conversation, more soy being sold to China.
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Speaker 2: I kind of like that. Isn't that great?
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Speaker 1: We get money, they get soy boys. Let's send them
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Speaker 1: the soy. That's a great idea. We'll export American soy
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Speaker 1: to them. And then the two sides agreed that the
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Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz must remain open.
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Speaker 2: To support the free flow of energy. So they talk
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Speaker 2: about the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 1: This is the Iran element that I was mentioning to
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Speaker 1: you yesterday, that, man, that's going to be one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest priorities. China's got all this leverage over Iran.
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Speaker 1: Let's use it. That, obviously, part of the conversation. President
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Speaker 1: Xi also made clear China's opposition to the militarization of
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Speaker 1: the Strait and any effort to charge a toll for
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Speaker 1: its use. That's not an American thing, by the way,
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Speaker 1: that the militarization charging tolls, that's Iran. Let's not be
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Speaker 1: confused about what that means. He's talking about they oppose
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Speaker 1: Iran's malign behavior.
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Speaker 2: That's China.
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Speaker 1: Also, Xi expressed interest in purchasing more American oil, more
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Speaker 1: American oil. So we, as a part of those exports
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Speaker 1: that we have, we can send them American oil, make
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Speaker 1: more money, get them to stop funding Iran and these
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Speaker 1: terrorist adversaries via the illicit black market for oil.
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Speaker 2: That's great. That's great. You know why that's great? In
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Speaker 2: addition to just getting money into the United States, you
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Speaker 2: can't steal the intellectual property of oil. That's one export
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Speaker 2: where the Chinese can't reverse engineer it and then start
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Speaker 2: creating it themselves and then stealing market share by virtue
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Speaker 2: of theft. It's oil. It's just a.
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Speaker 1: Commodity that they're going to buy from us if the
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Speaker 1: president's able to pull this off.
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Speaker 2: That's great.
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Speaker 1: And that would reduce China's dependence on the Strait and,
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Speaker 1: more importantly, on Iran going into the future. Both countries
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Speaker 1: agreed that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. So
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Speaker 1: that's the American side of the readout. What do we
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Speaker 1: get from the Chinese side? Now, the Chinese side is, well, frankly, annoying.
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Speaker 2: It's annoying.
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Speaker 1: But China's emphasis is they want Taiwan. That apparently was
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Speaker 1: the big Chinese emphasis in the meeting.
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Speaker 2: We want Taiwan.
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Speaker 1: In so many words, probably delivered in Mandarin through a translator.
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Speaker 1: We want Taiwan. Here's the message.
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Speaker 2: This woman's name is Mao Ning. Mao Ning. She's a
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Speaker 2: spokeswoman for the Chinese government. She said President Xi stressed
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Speaker 2: to President Trump that the Taiwan question is the most
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Speaker 2: important issue in China-U.S. relations. It's the most important one.
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Speaker 1: If it's handled properly, the bilateral relationship will enjoy overall stability. Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: the two countries will have clashes and even conflicts, putting
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Speaker 1: the entire relationship in great jeopardy. Taiwan independence and cross-strait
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Speaker 1: peace are as irreconcilable as fire and water. Safeguarding peace
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Speaker 1: and stability across the Taiwan Strait is the biggest common
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Speaker 1: denominator between China and the United States. Xi Jinping should
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Speaker 1: watch his mouth. This stunt, as much as they have
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Speaker 1: pulled out all the stops for welcoming the president of
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Speaker 1: the United States, this cannot be interpreted any other way
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Speaker 1: than China issuing a threat to President Trump, a veiled threat,
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Speaker 1: but a threat.
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Speaker 2: Don't get in our way. We are seizing Taiwan.
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Speaker 1: Now, the president has maintained the strategic ambiguity that Washington
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Speaker 1: has held for years on this subject of Taiwan. Not
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Speaker 1: issuing declarative statements, but providing military support to Taiwan, protecting
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Speaker 1: our American interest in Taiwan. We get so many of
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Speaker 1: our chips from Taiwan. That matters a great deal for
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Speaker 1: our national security. Chips are in everything. In fact, it's
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the president is working so
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Speaker 1: hard to onshore chip development here in the United States,
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Speaker 1: which is a key national security priority. We can't go
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Speaker 1: into the future here, even into the near future, entirely
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Speaker 1: reliant on Taiwan's chip development just to function as an
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Speaker 1: American economy, not when China is constantly on the edge.
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Speaker 2: Of invading it. You can't have that.
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Speaker 1: It's too much risk for the United States. The America
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Speaker 1: first thing to do would be to focus on getting
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Speaker 1: all of the chip development onshore that we can, all
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 2: That's the key.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, President Trump has convinced the TSMC, the
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Speaker 1: Taiwan Chip Development Company, to begin producing a lot of
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Speaker 1: chips here in the United States.
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Speaker 2: And that's great. It also makes Taiwan nervous, to be candid.
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Speaker 1: Taiwan is worried that their security blanket might go away
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Speaker 1: if there is more chip development in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Regardless, priority one for us is our own national security.
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Speaker 2: That's the key.
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Speaker 1: It's about what is good for Americans. China's ambitions to
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Speaker 1: invade Taiwan are never ending. But don't come to a
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Speaker 1: meeting like this and then issue a veiled threat to
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Speaker 1: the president of the United States. I do not think
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Speaker 1: that he's going to look kindly upon that. Now, he's
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Speaker 1: treating Xi Jinping very graciously. He hasn't said anything about Taiwan.
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Speaker 1: In fact, you even saw the American statement didn't even
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Speaker 1: have a mention of Taiwan. And that was also by design.
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Speaker 1: The things that they include and the things that they
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Speaker 1: omit are by design in these statements. But I just
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Speaker 1: want to make you aware of kind of what both
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Speaker 1: sides of this are saying. I don't, Trump is not,
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Speaker 1: definitely not one to be trifled with. He's being nice
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Speaker 1: because he wants a good relationship, but he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to be nice. Xi Jinping's side of the conversation today.
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Speaker 1: President Trump has been gracious. He thanked Xi for a
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Speaker 1: magnificent welcome. They just had this big state dinner. And there's,
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Speaker 1: in fact, there's video going around. Let me see if
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Speaker 1: I can set up for you real quick. President Trump
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Speaker 1: apparently took a sip of champagne.
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Speaker 2: Do you guys see this? He took a sip.
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Speaker 1: This is very unusual. The the president of the United
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Speaker 1: States took a sip of champagne. He does not drink
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Speaker 1: alcohol at all, but he made an exception here, apparently,
12:26
Speaker 1: as a sign of honor. Here he is taking a
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Speaker 1: sip of champagne. Those of you watching rumble.com slash Vince.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, everybody.
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Speaker 3: Can I see it?
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Speaker 6: Thank you, everybody. He raises his glass.
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Speaker 2: He takes a sip, and then he instantly hands it
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Speaker 2: off To the waiter. The guy carries it away. I
12:47
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a waiter. That looked like an American.
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Speaker 2: It was a black guy. I don't think it was Chinese.
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Speaker 1: It may have been just an aide or something carrying
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Speaker 1: a tray for the president with a drink that somebody
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Speaker 1: probably took a sip of first just to make sure
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Speaker 1: there was no poison in it. Not sure how it
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Speaker 1: works exactly, but the president took a sip. He took
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Speaker 1: a sip.
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Speaker 2: So there you go. That's a video. That's an historic
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Speaker 2: moment for you.
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Speaker 1: But that's, again, a sign of respect on the part
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Speaker 1: of a president who is a teetotaler, as they call him.
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Speaker 2: He's not an alcohol consumer at all. So that's very scandalous.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the left is going to turn that into
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Speaker 1: a giant scandal rather than a sign of Trump's decency
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Speaker 1: and grace. The president did thank Xi Jinping for a
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Speaker 1: magnificent welcome at this dinner. He was very grateful for
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Speaker 1: the time that they've had together. Here's the president talking
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Speaker 1: about how nice things have been.
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Speaker 5: It was a fantastic day. And in particular, I want
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Speaker 5: to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome.
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Speaker 5: And it really was a magnificent.
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Speaker 4: Welcome like none other.
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Speaker 5: And for so graciously hosting us on this very historic
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Speaker 5: state visit. We had extremely positive and productive conversations and
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Speaker 5: meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier. And this evening
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Speaker 5: is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of
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Speaker 5: the things that we discussed today, all good for the
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Speaker 5: United States and for China.
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Speaker 7: And it was a great honor to be with you.
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Speaker 1: A great honor to be with you. Again, the president
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Speaker 1: was just throughout all of this.
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Speaker 2: It was just very warm.
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Speaker 1: He was talking about what a great long relationship he's
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Speaker 1: had with Xi Jinping and how unusual it is. He
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Speaker 1: said it's the longest such relationship ever. in American relations.
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Speaker 1: This is very unusual that the two presidents would know
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Speaker 1: each other for such an extended period of time. And
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Speaker 1: the president was just making a show of celebrating that relationship.
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Speaker 1: He also invited Xi Jinping to visit the White House
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Speaker 1: this year. He said, why don't you stop on by,
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Speaker 1: come by in September. We'll leave a key under the
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Speaker 1: mat for you.
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Speaker 2: Come on in.
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Speaker 5: Thank you again, President Xi.
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Speaker 7: For this beautiful welcome. And tonight, it is my honor
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Speaker 7: to extend an invitation to you and Madam Peng to
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Speaker 7: visit us at the White House this September 24th. And
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Speaker 7: we look forward to it. And I'd now like to
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Speaker 7: raise a glass and propose a toast to the rich
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Speaker 7: and enduring ties between the American and Chinese people. It's
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Speaker 7: a very special relationship. And I want to thank you again.
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Speaker 7: This has been an amazing period of time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 2: So a big invite to Xi Jinping. We'll see if
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Speaker 2: the guy takes him up on it.
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Speaker 4: He should.
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Speaker 2: He should do that as the president will welcome him
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Speaker 2: back to the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: Now, Xi himself also had remarks. Here they are translated
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Speaker 1: into English, of course, for our benefit. And here is
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Speaker 1: what he had to say. He recognized the 250th anniversary
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Speaker 1: of America, but paid attention to the so-called American values
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Speaker 1: in particular that he cites and the ones he doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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Speaker 3: This is a historic visit. This year marks the start
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Speaker 3: of China's 15th five-year plan for economic and social development.
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Speaker 3: The over 1.4 billion people of China join on the
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Speaker 3: rich heritage of our over 5,000 year civilization, advancing Chinese
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Speaker 3: modernization on all fronts through high quality development. This year
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Speaker 3: is also the 250th anniversary of American independence. The over
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Speaker 3: 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation,
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Speaker 3: and enterprise, and ushering in a new journey for the
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Speaker 3: development of the United States. The people of China and
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Speaker 3: the United States are both great peoples, achieving the great
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Speaker 3: rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and making America great again
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Speaker 3: can go hand in hand. We can help each other
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Speaker 3: succeed and advance the wellbeing of the whole world.
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Speaker 2: Winnie the Pooh, Winnie the Pooh.
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Speaker 1: There he is, Xi Jinping. So you heard what he
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Speaker 1: said about the United States. He was talking about reinvigorating
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Speaker 1: the spirit of patriotism, innovation, and.
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Speaker 2: Enterprise in the United States. that the American people are
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Speaker 2: doing that on our 250th anniversary. Patriotism, innovation, and enterprise.
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Speaker 2: There's a word missing. It's liberty. The spirit of liberty.
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Speaker 2: Kind of the defining value of our nation. Liberty. He
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Speaker 2: didn't mention it. You wouldn't hear that from the communist
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Speaker 2: president of China.
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Speaker 4: Liberty.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: No acknowledgement of that, but... I would remember that. Yeah, freedom.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they understand the concept. Pleb Fandango.
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Speaker 2: I think Xi might. He might understand. He sees it
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Speaker 2: as a threat.
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Speaker 1: Liberty is a threat to Xi Jinping, so he would
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Speaker 1: hardly ever celebrate it.
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Speaker 2: That would never happen. So that was Xi Jinping, the
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Speaker 2: leader of China. President Trump just sent him an invite, said, hey,
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Speaker 2: why don't you stop on by? We'll see, though.
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Speaker 1: I do think that if they do increase American oil
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Speaker 1: purchases dramatically, that could be a very big deal.
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Speaker 2: I've talked about this before.
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Speaker 1: Even when President Trump was coming into office, I was like, look,
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Speaker 1: in the China relationship, if we can get them to
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Speaker 1: stop funding the terror regimes and start giving more money
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Speaker 1: to the United States in terms of oil.
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Speaker 2: That could be a very, very big deal. It would
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Speaker 2: be great.
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Speaker 1: It would stimulate the American economy extensively. They need massive
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Speaker 1: amounts of energy. We've got lots of energy to export.
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Speaker 1: And that would stimulate our economy massively. And it would
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Speaker 1: stop funding the terror regimes. In other words, President Trump
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Speaker 1: can achieve both an economic and a national security and
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Speaker 1: a diplomatic priority all in one.
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Speaker 2: All in one swell foop.
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Speaker 1: So we'll see. We'll see what happens. I've got some
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Speaker 1: updates for you on J.D. Vance's activities back home. He
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Speaker 1: yesterday announced that we're tackling fraud at new levels.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: So while, you know, President Trump's overseas handling this business
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Speaker 1: with China, J.D. Vance is back here handling our business
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Speaker 1: with the fraudsters. More ahead on this episode of Vance.
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Speaker 1: Vance yesterday, back home in America, announcing at the White House.
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Speaker 1: He was funny yesterday. He said that he feels like
20:52
Speaker 1: Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone because everybody's gone. The whole
20:55
Speaker 1: White House is empty. Everybody's in China. Caroline Levitt's on
20:57
Speaker 1: maternity leave. Like the walls are echoing as he's walking
21:01
Speaker 1: around the White House. He goes, I feel like I'm
21:02
Speaker 1: at home alone. Like I showed up and there's nobody here.
21:06
Speaker 1: I made my family disappear.
21:08
Speaker 2: Here's J.D.
21:09
Speaker 1: Vance yesterday announcing that there are now consequences for states
21:13
Speaker 1: who continue to allow fraudsters to steal our money.
21:16
Speaker 2: Cut one. Watch this.
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Speaker 8: What are we going to do to fix that? Today,
21:20
Speaker 8: we are sending across 50 Medicaid programs. We are sending letters.
21:25
Speaker 8: that will require them to show that they are effectively
21:28
Speaker 8: and aggressively prosecuting Medicaid fraud in their states. And if
21:32
Speaker 8: they do not, if they do not aggressively prosecute Medicaid fraud,
21:35
Speaker 8: we are going to turn off the money that goes
21:38
Speaker 8: to these anti-fraud units. And I would say a couple
21:40
Speaker 8: things about this. You may think, obviously, this is a
21:43
Speaker 8: Republican administration. We're all proud Republicans up here. You may
21:46
Speaker 8: think that this is purely a red state or blue
21:48
Speaker 8: state issue. That's actually not true. We see Medicaid fraud
21:51
Speaker 8: issues in Ohio. the state that I used to represent
21:54
Speaker 8: in the Ohio, in the United States Senate. We also
21:57
Speaker 8: see Medicaid issues, fraud issues in a state like Maryland,
22:00
Speaker 8: which is obviously a very blue state. But both Ohio
22:03
Speaker 8: and Maryland have worked with us to take this issue seriously.
22:07
Speaker 8: They've worked with the guys behind me. They've worked with
22:09
Speaker 8: our entire team to make sure that they take fraud seriously. Again,
22:13
Speaker 8: this does not have to be a red state or
22:15
Speaker 8: a blue state issue.
22:16
Speaker 2: This is just basic good government.
22:19
Speaker 8: However, states like California, states like Hawaii, states like New
22:23
Speaker 8: York have completely not taken the fraud issue seriously in
22:26
Speaker 8: the Medicaid program. And so for those states that refuse
22:30
Speaker 8: to get serious about fraud, we are going to turn
22:32
Speaker 8: off that anti-fraud money. And if we continue to find problems,
22:37
Speaker 8: we can turn off other resources within their state Medicaid
22:39
Speaker 8: programs as well. Our goal here is not to do that.
22:43
Speaker 8: We don't want to turn off any money. What we
22:45
Speaker 8: want to do is ensure that people are taking fraud seriously.
22:48
Speaker 8: We want to protect Medicaid. We want to protect Medicare.
22:51
Speaker 8: But we can't do that if the states that are
22:53
Speaker 8: administering those programs are allowing those programs to be fleeced
22:57
Speaker 8: by fraudsters.
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Speaker 6: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. And this is the key.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I saw Vice President Vance on X overnight
23:06
Speaker 1: posting about this as well. That like, we can't be
23:10
Speaker 1: playing this game where we let them steal it and
23:12
Speaker 1: then we chase them down after they stole it and
23:14
Speaker 1: then try and recoup some limited amount of the money.
23:16
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's so stupid.
23:18
Speaker 1: So why don't we stop it before it ever happens?
23:21
Speaker 1: Why don't we stop the fraudsters? And how do you
23:23
Speaker 1: stop the fraudsters? You've got states that actually have some
23:26
Speaker 1: fiduciary obligation to make sure that the American taxpayer dollar
23:30
Speaker 1: is protected.
23:32
Speaker 2: So how do you do that? You threaten their access
23:34
Speaker 2: to the funding. No more Medicaid funding for you. We're
23:36
Speaker 2: going to cut you off. And this is, you might
23:38
Speaker 2: say to yourself, like, well, then do it today.
23:41
Speaker 4: Good news.
23:41
Speaker 2: They're doing it today. Here's J.D.
23:43
Speaker 1: Vance announcing that they're cutting people off in California already.
23:48
Speaker 2: Cut three. Take a look.
23:49
Speaker 9: J.D.
23:50
Speaker 2: Vance saying they're freezing California out right now.
23:52
Speaker 10: Watch.
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Speaker 8: First, we're announcing that the federal government is deferring $ 1. 3
23:57
Speaker 8: billion in Medicaid reimbursements from the state of California. And
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Speaker 8: the simple reason is because the state of California has
24:04
Speaker 8: not taken fraud very seriously.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So they're cutting them off. In fact, here's Dr.
24:09
Speaker 4: Oz.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
24:10
Speaker 1: Oz yesterday runs the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services
24:13
Speaker 1: said that they just cut off 800 operations in Los
24:18
Speaker 1: Angeles alone who are suspected of fraud.
24:21
Speaker 2: And we're talking a massive amount of money. Cut four.
24:24
Speaker 2: Watch this.
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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, we have a reality that, again, we got to
24:27
Speaker 9: face a third of all hospices, a third of all
24:31
Speaker 9: these programs in the entire country are in Los Angeles.
24:34
Speaker 9: Ask yourself, how is that possible? It's not. They're not
24:37
Speaker 9: that many people dying in Los Angeles. We're not talking
24:40
Speaker 9: about California, just Los Angeles. So Kim and the team.
24:44
Speaker 9: with Janina Hugo and a bunch of other great folks,
24:46
Speaker 9: went through the list of all the people, and we
24:48
Speaker 9: believe that at least half of the hospices in the
24:50
Speaker 9: entire area around Los Angeles are fraudulent. And today we
24:55
Speaker 9: announced 800 of those hospices have been suspended. That's getting
24:59
Speaker 9: us close to where we think we should be. 800
25:02
Speaker 9: hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer $ 1. 4 billion
25:07
Speaker 9: will no longer be paid. Mr. Vice President, if your
25:10
Speaker 9: core business was shut down by the federal government, would
25:12
Speaker 9: you call?
25:14
Speaker 2: You would call.
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Speaker 5: Crickets.
25:16
Speaker 9: We have less than 20 who have complained. We're not
25:18
Speaker 9: even sure those are legitimate. 800 hospices shut down, and
25:22
Speaker 9: we're not hearing much. It's crickets out there. So we
25:25
Speaker 9: believe we're on the right path here. Next is a
25:28
Speaker 9: nationwide moratorium on all new hospice services. and home health care.
25:32
Speaker 9: Why is that possible? Because when we squeeze the balloon
25:35
Speaker 9: in California and slow their growth of hospice and now
25:38
Speaker 9: take away 800, the payments to 800 hospices, we know
25:42
Speaker 9: what those fraudsters do. They move to nearby Nevada. Next
25:46
Speaker 9: door Nevada has a seven-fold increase in hospice already. Arizona, Texas,
25:49
Speaker 9: they're moving across the country. So we've today announcing a
25:53
Speaker 9: moratorium nationally. There will be no new hospices or home
25:56
Speaker 9: healthcare open in this country. If you have the program now,
25:59
Speaker 9: you can keep it. You can go to ones that
26:01
Speaker 9: already exist. We're not taking away any services, but there
26:03
Speaker 9: will be no new ones licenses granted until we can
26:06
Speaker 9: figure out a better way of working across government.
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Speaker 2: How great is it that these guys are taking this
26:11
Speaker 2: seriously and doing something about it?
26:13
Speaker 11: It's a lot.
26:13
Speaker 2: A lot of people talk. Very few act. These guys
26:16
Speaker 2: are acting. That's great news.
26:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the lawsuits. The left is going
26:20
Speaker 1: to file suits like, no, no, no. Keep the fraud
26:22
Speaker 1: dollars going. And some idiot judge is going to be like,
26:24
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. These lefties are out of control.
26:28
Speaker 1: But you heard something that he said that he goes, look,
26:29
Speaker 1: we cut off 800 L.A.
26:31
Speaker 2: Operations. These hospice so-called hospice operations. And nobody's calling us
26:35
Speaker 2: to complain. None of these operations are picking up the
26:38
Speaker 2: phone going, hey, where's my money? I've got a legit
26:40
Speaker 2: hospice going on here. And JD Vance noticed this yesterday.
26:43
Speaker 2: He goes, wait a second. Did you say nobody's calling you?
26:46
Speaker 2: Cut five.
26:47
Speaker 4: Watch this.
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Speaker 12: So, Dr.
26:51
Speaker 4: Oz, I want to make sure I understand this well.
26:53
Speaker 8: So you're saying that We kicked off 800 fraudulent health
26:56
Speaker 8: care providers off of the Medicare system and not a
26:58
Speaker 8: single one of them called the government and said, hey,
27:00
Speaker 8: you made a mistake.
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Speaker 9: We've had a handful of calls. We're not sure they're
27:03
Speaker 9: legitimate yet, but it's less than 20 out of 800.
27:06
Speaker 9: And we're auditing them.
27:08
Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
27:08
Speaker 8: So so at least 780 are not even trying to
27:13
Speaker 8: claim that they're not fraudulent.
27:14
Speaker 2: And again, those are businesses.
27:16
Speaker 8: That we were giving hundreds of millions, in some cases,
27:18
Speaker 8: billions of dollars to. not to provide services, but to
27:22
Speaker 8: make a fraudster rich. It's just completely insane. Drives home
27:25
Speaker 8: the scale and scope of the problem.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday, you get testimony in the United States Senate from
30:36
Speaker 1: a CIA whistleblower who alleged that Anthony Fauci, when he
30:41
Speaker 1: was in office, really did lead a full-blown cover-up. There
30:44
Speaker 1: was a kind of a a group of people around him,
30:46
Speaker 1: a lot of scientists that, uh, that he was using
30:49
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Speaker 2: The CIA that there was no.
30:53
Speaker 1: Lab leak, that coronavirus, that COVID-19 came from a wet
30:57
Speaker 1: market in Wuhan. What did you make of that testimony yesterday?
31:01
Speaker 1: Did you derive anything from it that you hadn't known before?
31:05
Speaker 6: Well, I think, uh, I, I thought the, the witness
31:08
Speaker 6: was very credible, uh, showed a lot of courage coming
31:12
Speaker 6: forward and, uh, He was not sensational.
31:16
Speaker 4: He was just being very factual.
31:18
Speaker 6: I think some of the things that he said that
31:20
Speaker 6: were probably most important, he said very clearly that Fauci's
31:24
Speaker 6: involvement in covering up the true origin of COVID was intentional,
31:31
Speaker 6: is the word that he used. And I think that's
31:33
Speaker 6: important because I do think I used to say, because
31:36
Speaker 6: I was one of the early ones who suggested this
31:38
Speaker 6: virus came from a laboratory, and immediately I got classified
31:42
Speaker 6: as a conspirator and, you know, someone that was, you know, just.
31:49
Speaker 4: Not thinking clearly.
31:50
Speaker 6: And I would argue back then that the real conspiracy
31:55
Speaker 6: was Fauci and Collins and the scientific community trying to
31:59
Speaker 6: put the origin on this concept of a wet market,
32:03
Speaker 6: which was never credible.
32:04
Speaker 4: So I thought it was a very powerful testimony.
32:09
Speaker 6: I think people should see that We know the origin
32:12
Speaker 6: of this virus.
32:13
Speaker 4: It was the Wuhan lab.
32:16
Speaker 6: The CIA was a little defensive in saying, you know,
32:20
Speaker 6: they didn't understand why this witness was testifying because they
32:24
Speaker 6: already redid their analysis, which they did, and concluded that
32:28
Speaker 6: the virus came from the lab. But I think there
32:30
Speaker 6: was very involvement. I always said I thought that the
32:34
Speaker 6: intelligence community was very involved in developing what I call
32:39
Speaker 6: the roost theory. for you to think that this came
32:42
Speaker 6: from a wet market rather.
32:43
Speaker 4: Than the lab.
32:45
Speaker 1: Why would the CIA be defensive if the whistleblower shared
32:48
Speaker 1: their assessment? It seemed weird to me yesterday because the
32:51
Speaker 1: whistleblower said this thing came from a lab and there
32:54
Speaker 1: was clearly a cover-up going on in the government. John
32:56
Speaker 1: Ratcliffe and the CIA, they said this thing came from
32:59
Speaker 1: a lab. And as far as I can tell, John
33:01
Speaker 1: Ratcliffe suspects that Anthony Fauci was involved in a cover-up.
33:04
Speaker 1: So if they shared the same views, why would the
33:06
Speaker 1: CIA be disgruntled?
33:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. I have
33:10
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for John Radcliffe.
33:11
Speaker 6: I don't quite know why he hasn't been more aggressive
33:15
Speaker 6: in bringing this to a close and getting the classified
33:18
Speaker 6: documents that Congress voted to declassify out into the public domain.
33:23
Speaker 6: As it was mentioned in the hearing the other day,
33:25
Speaker 6: there's still thousands of pages of classified documents on the
33:29
Speaker 6: origin that have not been released to the public, even
33:31
Speaker 6: though Congress passed.
33:33
Speaker 4: To do that, and they need to do that.
33:36
Speaker 6: I think Some of it was, I do believe that
33:39
Speaker 6: the intelligence community was more involved in this laboratory than
33:45
Speaker 6: meets the eye. I mean, we do know the State
33:47
Speaker 6: Department funded the laboratory along with DOD, along with USAID,
33:51
Speaker 6: and along with NIH. So there was four government agencies
33:55
Speaker 6: that were actually funding this lab that was doing this research.
33:59
Speaker 6: My sense is the CIA and the intelligence community were
34:03
Speaker 6: much more involved in this work than meets the eye.
34:08
Speaker 1: If you could, and this may be you just using
34:12
Speaker 1: an educated guess, but what do you think the purpose
34:15
Speaker 1: of this was? Why would all of those agencies have
34:19
Speaker 1: this particular shared interest? Why was this virus being cooked
34:23
Speaker 1: up in that lab with U.S.
34:24
Speaker 2: Funding?
34:26
Speaker 6: So I think the research from the Chinese perspective And
34:32
Speaker 6: I've said this before, and it is speculation, but I
34:35
Speaker 6: think it's educated speculation. I think the Chinese scientists were
34:40
Speaker 6: trying to develop a vaccine vector that could be used
34:44
Speaker 6: to vaccinate the Chinese military and Chinese people. And to
34:47
Speaker 6: do that, they needed a virus that could be transmissible
34:51
Speaker 6: by aerosol. It needed not to cause symptomatic illness, and
34:56
Speaker 6: it needed not to have a good immune response so
34:59
Speaker 6: that you could use it over and over and over again.
35:02
Speaker 6: all of which are features, unfortunately, of the COVID virus itself.
35:07
Speaker 6: The United States, why they were involved, I don't know
35:11
Speaker 6: for certain. I mean, clearly Tony was in charge, Fauci
35:14
Speaker 6: was in charge of our biodefense program, which was about
35:17
Speaker 6: a $ 40 billion program that the Vice President Cheney moved
35:23
Speaker 6: from the U.S. military to NIH back in 2002. And
35:28
Speaker 6: so he had a lot of money to do, if
35:30
Speaker 6: you will, uh, clandestine, uh, research in the realm of
35:34
Speaker 6: bio research. And that probably put him pretty close to
35:37
Speaker 6: the CIA and people like that. Um, CIA, probably my
35:43
Speaker 6: view had people that were already embedded in, in this
35:47
Speaker 6: laboratory and other Chinese laboratories as part of their, uh,
35:51
Speaker 6: intelligence sources. Um, but it never made a lot of
35:54
Speaker 6: sense to me why this.
35:55
Speaker 4: The, the intelligent community was so problematic.
35:59
Speaker 6: In my efforts to get people to focus on the
36:01
Speaker 6: fact that this was a virus that was created by
36:03
Speaker 6: gain of function research in the laboratory. And, you know,
36:07
Speaker 6: I thought that was important because once we know this
36:09
Speaker 6: virus was created to infect humans, we could anticipate that
36:14
Speaker 6: we were going to have a lot of replication, a
36:16
Speaker 6: lot of variants, and try to stay ahead of the curve. But,
36:20
Speaker 6: you know, I would like, you know, I'm sure there's
36:23
Speaker 6: documents at the CIA that would help we have greater
36:26
Speaker 6: clarity to this, but I don't know the.
36:28
Speaker 4: Answer to that.
36:29
Speaker 2: So what do you make of the fact that Anthony
36:32
Speaker 2: Fauci apparently changed the definition of gain-of-function research in order
36:36
Speaker 2: to continue to do this, in order to basically violate
36:39
Speaker 2: the moratorium on it?
36:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Tony did that intentionally. He's a very
36:44
Speaker 4: smart guy. He had.
36:48
Speaker 6: Obviously been accused by Senator Paul, who I have a
36:52
Speaker 6: lot of respect for, of lying to Congress. I tried
36:55
Speaker 6: to tell the senator, I don't think Tony lied to you.
36:58
Speaker 6: but I do think he misled you and misled the
37:01
Speaker 6: American people because when he spoke to you, he said,
37:03
Speaker 6: according to the definition of the National Academy of Science,
37:07
Speaker 6: I wasn't involved in gain-of-function research. And what he did
37:11
Speaker 6: with the National Academy of Science was change the definition
37:15
Speaker 6: of gain-of-function research, as you pointed out. He made it
37:18
Speaker 6: so that if I start with a pathogen that's non-pathogenic
37:23
Speaker 6: for humans, like, say, COVID-19, And I teach it to
37:28
Speaker 6: be pathogenic. By definition, that's not gain of function. He
37:33
Speaker 6: made it so that in order to be considered gain
37:35
Speaker 6: of function, you have to start with a pathogen that's
37:37
Speaker 6: already pathogenic for humans and make it more pathogenic for humans.
37:41
Speaker 4: Obviously, it's a ridiculous reality of what.
37:45
Speaker 6: He did, but it did keep him, if you will, clean.
37:50
Speaker 6: When Senator Paul says you lied to Congress in saying
37:53
Speaker 6: that you were involved in gain-of-function research, he says, no,
37:56
Speaker 6: according to the definition of the National Academy of Science,
37:58
Speaker 6: I was not, because the COVID research didn't meet that definition.
38:03
Speaker 4: Very artificial, very unnecessary.
38:05
Speaker 6: I think a lot of it had to do with
38:08
Speaker 6: getting around the Obama moratorium, which they did get around.
38:15
Speaker 4: In the beginning of the Trump administration, Collins moratorium.
38:18
Speaker 6: Got the Office of Science Technology to grant them an
38:21
Speaker 6: exception that they had now permission to approve independent research
38:26
Speaker 6: that they decided was in the national interest, which was, again,
38:28
Speaker 6: a big mistake.
38:30
Speaker 1: Can I ask, I know you engage in a lot
38:32
Speaker 1: of scientific conversation. You're very fact-based, which I appreciate, but
38:35
Speaker 1: I just have to ask you kind of on the
38:37
Speaker 1: moral side of it, if you'd be able to even
38:39
Speaker 1: sleep at night if you had done what Anthony Fauci
38:41
Speaker 1: has done, because It seems to me that a feature
38:45
Speaker 1: of his entire career in politics has been wielding power, duplicity,
38:49
Speaker 1: this type of semantic nonsense.
38:51
Speaker 2: And now, of course, we went.
38:52
Speaker 1: Through a COVID pandemic where millions of people died and
38:55
Speaker 1: then were forcibly subjected to jabs that they didn't want.
38:59
Speaker 1: I wonder what you think about all of the moral
39:02
Speaker 1: questions that are involved here.
39:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, you know, I thank God that it
39:07
Speaker 6: wasn't me. You know, Tony used to criticize me when
39:11
Speaker 6: I was CDC director, because when I would be asked questions,
39:15
Speaker 6: you know, in the briefing room, my frequent answer was,
39:19
Speaker 6: I don't know the answer. And Tony would say, you
39:22
Speaker 6: can't say that, Bob, you're the CDC director, you got
39:24
Speaker 6: to give an answer. And I said, but Tony, I
39:26
Speaker 6: don't know the answer. Fauci had a tendency to give
39:31
Speaker 6: the answer you wanted. I remember one interview that was
39:33
Speaker 6: kind of remarkable where he was talking about herd immunity,
39:40
Speaker 6: which he said originally would get there at 30%. And
39:43
Speaker 6: then later he said 50%. And then later he said 70%.
39:49
Speaker 6: And a reporter asked him, you know, what happened between
39:52
Speaker 6: 50% and 70%? What new scientific data do you have
39:56
Speaker 6: to make that new conclusion? And he said, there's no
39:59
Speaker 6: new scientific data. When I said 50%, I just didn't
40:02
Speaker 6: think you were ready to hear 70%.
40:05
Speaker 2: He was watching the polling. Yeah, that was a New
40:07
Speaker 2: York Times interview.
40:08
Speaker 1: He would watch public polling on the subject, and then
40:10
Speaker 1: he would change his scientific claims based on the public polling.
40:14
Speaker 6: So I think Tony, unfortunately, I've told him that he'll
40:16
Speaker 6: feel a lot better if he would just get out
40:19
Speaker 6: and tell the truth and let people know he made
40:21
Speaker 6: some mistakes. I do think he did it for what
40:24
Speaker 6: he thought was a just reason. I mean, he felt
40:26
Speaker 6: that he was the defender of science and he had
40:29
Speaker 6: to therefore turn the attention away from the Wuhan lab
40:33
Speaker 6: because if the American public felt that this virus was
40:36
Speaker 6: created by science, it could have a backlash on science. Now,
40:41
Speaker 6: the fact is this virus was created by science. And
40:44
Speaker 6: I argue that to Tony that He actually has done
40:47
Speaker 6: more harm to science by not just telling the truth
40:51
Speaker 6: and being forthright with the American public. You know, I'm
40:54
Speaker 6: an advocate that we shouldn't be doing gain-of-function research. I
40:57
Speaker 6: think it's too risky. I don't see the advantage. Tony's
41:00
Speaker 6: a big advocate for gain-of-function research.
41:04
Speaker 4: But I would have a.
41:05
Speaker 6: Hard time, and I think that's why he's a little
41:07
Speaker 6: sensitive in his hearing with Rand Paul when he jumped
41:11
Speaker 6: at Rand Paul and pointed his finger in his face,
41:14
Speaker 6: in Rand Paul's face. He said he jumped and said,
41:17
Speaker 6: you mean you're accusing me of killing, you know, 10
41:20
Speaker 6: million people or 4 million people or 7 million people?
41:23
Speaker 6: Rand Paul wasn't accusing him at all of killing people.
41:27
Speaker 6: But Fauci immediately jumped because I think he does have
41:31
Speaker 6: a series of sensitivity of the fact.
41:33
Speaker 2: He's aware of his own culpability.
41:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always said I did a thing. There's a
41:39
Speaker 6: movie that's out called Thank You, Dr.
41:41
Speaker 4: Fauci. I don't know if you've seen it. Angel.
41:44
Speaker 6: Studios has it out. It's really good. The producer did
41:47
Speaker 6: a great job. And at the end, I do talk
41:50
Speaker 6: about the realization that Oppenheimer had to have at the
41:54
Speaker 6: end of his life that his science was used to
41:57
Speaker 6: really kill tens of thousands of people.
41:59
Speaker 4: All right.
42:00
Speaker 6: And he was very obviously angry at Truman when Truman
42:03
Speaker 6: decided to use the bomb a second time. His idea
42:07
Speaker 6: with the bomb was a deterrent. It wasn't going to
42:09
Speaker 6: be used. I think he thought it was always going
42:12
Speaker 6: to be a deterrent, never used the first time. I
42:16
Speaker 6: suggested that I think Fauci is going to have that
42:19
Speaker 6: same complexity as he reflects on his life and looks
42:23
Speaker 6: back at some of the consequences of the science that
42:28
Speaker 6: he promoted. Because I do think it caused, even though
42:31
Speaker 6: I call the COVID pandemic a minor pandemic, And sometime
42:34
Speaker 6: maybe you'll have me back. We can talk about the
42:36
Speaker 6: great pandemic, which I believe is coming, which is a
42:38
Speaker 6: bird flu pandemic. You know, bird flu will have probably a,
42:43
Speaker 6: you know, a half a percent mortality. I mean, bird
42:46
Speaker 6: flu will probably have a 30 to 50 percent mortality.
42:49
Speaker 6: You know, COVID had a half a percent mortality and
42:52
Speaker 6: bird flu is going to be catastrophic when that pandemic occurs.
42:56
Speaker 6: But still, the COVID pandemic caused a lot of problems,
42:59
Speaker 6: killed 1.2 million Americans, ruined a lot of jobs. Our
43:02
Speaker 6: children lost several years of their learning education. So it
43:06
Speaker 6: was a significant event, although in my view, it's really
43:13
Speaker 6: a minor pandemic compared to the one that I think
43:15
Speaker 6: is on the horizon. That's kind of what I talk about.
43:18
Speaker 6: If you ever want to have me back and talk
43:20
Speaker 6: about my book, about 12 weeks ago, I came out
43:23
Speaker 6: with my book. It's called Redfield's Warning. And in that book,
43:26
Speaker 6: I talk about the need to take biosecurity much more seriously.
43:30
Speaker 6: I think it's a much more significant national security threat
43:34
Speaker 6: than nuclear. And a lot of people don't grasp that.
43:36
Speaker 6: But I do think biosecurity is positioned to change the
43:40
Speaker 6: lives of Americans much more than nuclear. And we ought
43:44
Speaker 6: to have a response proportional to the threat. I talk
43:48
Speaker 6: about the threat about bird flu. And then I talk
43:51
Speaker 6: about the other real problem we have as a warning
43:54
Speaker 6: is that because of the response in the COVID pandemic,
43:58
Speaker 6: our public health agencies have lost total credibility. And it's
44:02
Speaker 6: impossible to have a public health response if you don't
44:05
Speaker 6: have public credibility with the public. And rebuilding that credibility
44:10
Speaker 6: is going to be a long road to get us
44:14
Speaker 6: back on track. We did lose a lot of credibility.
44:16
Speaker 6: And I argue the reason we lost credibility is some
44:19
Speaker 6: people chose not to tell the truth. They chose to
44:23
Speaker 6: tell you what they wanted you to hear, not what
44:26
Speaker 6: was true.
44:27
Speaker 1: Well, that would be Fauci, what you just described. So
44:29
Speaker 1: I'm thinking as you're saying all this, that Anthony Fauci
44:32
Speaker 1: did that. He basically conditioned the public to reject pronouncements
44:36
Speaker 1: about so-called science because so many of them were politicized.
44:39
Speaker 1: And so if we get a bird flu like the
44:40
Speaker 1: one you're warning about, I think a lot of Americans
44:43
Speaker 1: are going to reject public policy pronouncements from the government
44:46
Speaker 1: because we've been through this before, and we know how
44:49
Speaker 1: much misery we've endured, and it was disproportionate with the threat.
44:53
Speaker 6: I think you're right, and I think that's what we
44:55
Speaker 6: have to fight against. I mean, I do think— Jay Bhattacharya,
45:00
Speaker 6: who's a friend of mine who's head of NIH, to
45:02
Speaker 6: have some credibility in this space because he was outspoken
45:07
Speaker 6: in telling the truth when other people didn't want to
45:10
Speaker 6: and he paid a big personal price for it. I
45:13
Speaker 6: think people like myself told the truth and we paid
45:16
Speaker 6: a significant personal price for it.
45:19
Speaker 4: But you are right. Our institutions.
45:23
Speaker 6: And the government per se, it's not clear that the
45:26
Speaker 6: American public will will necessarily listen to those institutions and
45:32
Speaker 6: uh although i will say i've been very involved in
45:35
Speaker 6: this uh hanta outbreak which is really minor you know
45:38
Speaker 6: we're talking you know 11 12 people but i i
45:42
Speaker 6: i haven't seen a lot of of uh individuals rejecting
45:47
Speaker 6: the public health message.
45:51
Speaker 4: Uh it's only got a minor thing but my hope.
45:56
Speaker 2: Okay.
45:57
Speaker 1: Hey, so one thing, you broke up a little bit
45:59
Speaker 1: at the end there. Final question for you. My wife's
46:01
Speaker 1: asking me, she's like, oh, you're going to talk to Dr.
46:02
Speaker 2: Robert Redfield. Would you ask him?
46:04
Speaker 1: She keeps asking about the media hype around hantavirus. She's like,
46:08
Speaker 1: is this a real threat?
46:08
Speaker 2: Is this a real threat?
46:09
Speaker 1: I keep telling her, no, don't worry. There's nothing here.
46:12
Speaker 1: This is a media story. What do you think, sir?
46:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a real threat.
46:16
Speaker 6: I mean, it's an outbreak that's been going on in
46:22
Speaker 6: Argentina since last July. There have been over 100 people
46:25
Speaker 6: infected in Argentina. It spread from Patagonia into central Argentina.
46:30
Speaker 6: It has a 35% to 40% mortality, so it's a
46:32
Speaker 6: dangerous virus. You can remember back the Hackmans obviously got
46:37
Speaker 6: a hantavirus. The hantaviruses that are circulating in the United
46:41
Speaker 6: States are largely rodent to humans. They don't go human
46:44
Speaker 6: to human. The hantavirus that's in Argentina, which is the anti-strain,
46:48
Speaker 6: can go human to human. And in this outbreak, it
46:50
Speaker 6: did infect some people on the ship human to human,
46:54
Speaker 6: particularly the doctor that was taking.
46:55
Speaker 4: Care of the patients.
46:57
Speaker 6: But this outbreak is going to be, I don't think
47:00
Speaker 6: we'll have any more new cases within a week if
47:02
Speaker 6: we have any more at all.
47:04
Speaker 4: All right. Dr.
47:05
Speaker 1: Robert Redfield, the book is called Redfield's Warning, and you
47:09
Speaker 1: can get it now. Sir, thank you very much for
47:10
Speaker 1: your time today. I appreciate you.
47:12
Speaker 4: God bless. Bye-bye.
47:13
Speaker 2: There he is, Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the CDC.
47:18
Speaker 2: Thank you to him.
47:19
Speaker 1: And as he points out, it's like the Fauci, it's
47:22
Speaker 1: just lie after lie after lie.
47:24
Speaker 2: From this guy, endlessly.
47:26
Speaker 1: And we get a big CIA whistleblower coming out yesterday
47:30
Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, he was lying and covering up and
47:33
Speaker 1: manipulating CIA intelligence.
47:35
Speaker 2: It's grotesque, totally grotesque.
47:39
Speaker 1: And in addition to revealing those details about Fauci yesterday,
47:44
Speaker 1: which again, they're not shocking.
47:47
Speaker 2: But they are appalling.
47:49
Speaker 1: He also revealed the extent to which the CIA apparently
47:54
Speaker 1: has been involved in trying to prevent the current CIA,
47:59
Speaker 1: he alleged, has been involved in trying to prevent disclosure
48:02
Speaker 1: around the JFK files and the CIA's mind control experiments
48:06
Speaker 1: known as MKUltra.
48:09
Speaker 2: So here's what.
48:10
Speaker 1: We got yesterday. This is a couple of clips for you.
48:13
Speaker 1: He was asked yesterday if the current CIA is still
48:17
Speaker 1: leading in any way a cover-up.
48:20
Speaker 2: Here is, let's see here.
48:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, cut 12. Take a look at cut 12. Here's
48:26
Speaker 1: the CIA whistleblower yesterday.
48:29
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mr.
48:30
Speaker 13: Erdman. Is it your testimony that there is still resistance
48:34
Speaker 13: from the CIA to comply with the law we passed
48:37
Speaker 13: to declassify all the COVID information?
48:39
Speaker 7: Yes. Yeah.
48:43
Speaker 1: So the current CIA, what is that? What is going on,
48:48
Speaker 1: John Ratcliffe? Now, as you heard Dr. Redfield mention a
48:51
Speaker 1: moment ago, And as I was I was emphasizing with
48:54
Speaker 1: the CIA spokesman yesterday attacked the hearing and suggested that
48:59
Speaker 1: this guy was speak was not like a whistleblower and
49:03
Speaker 1: that this is illegitimate. CIA statement to Fox News on
49:06
Speaker 1: the act of CIA employee testifying in the Senate Homeland
49:08
Speaker 1: Security Committee hearing. The committee acted in bad faith by
49:12
Speaker 1: subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying the CIA,
49:16
Speaker 1: despite having already obtained closed-door testimony from the individual previously.
49:20
Speaker 2: The witness testifying today is not.
49:22
Speaker 1: Appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but
49:25
Speaker 1: instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul.
49:28
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're saying. He issued a subpoena,
49:30
Speaker 1: and now the whistleblower is testifying to his perspective. I
49:34
Speaker 1: don't know what this statement means. This proceeding amounts to
49:37
Speaker 1: nothing more than dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing.
49:41
Speaker 1: As the CIA has already assessed, COVID-19 most likely originated
49:45
Speaker 1: from a lab leak.
49:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the witness is saying. Efforts to undermine
49:51
Speaker 2: that conclusion are disingenuous. Again, I do not know what
49:56
Speaker 2: you're talking about. So why is the CIA getting so
49:59
Speaker 2: agitated that this guy is telling, as far as I
50:03
Speaker 2: can tell, a very sober recitation of the facts? Ron
50:07
Speaker 2: Johnson and Rand Paul, who were leading that hearing yesterday,
50:10
Speaker 2: smacked back at the CIA for that statement. Cut 13,
50:13
Speaker 2: watch their reaction to this.
50:16
Speaker 11: Communication person, this committee, this chairman needs an apology. This
50:20
Speaker 11: is not political theater. This is serious oversight work. This
50:23
Speaker 11: is what the American people need to see. And I
50:25
Speaker 11: just wish our Democrat colleagues had any level of curiosity
50:29
Speaker 11: what's happening inside the deep state.
50:31
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
50:32
Speaker 13: Thank you, and I completely concur, and I would also
50:35
Speaker 13: like to respond to the CIA spokesman. They say that
50:38
Speaker 13: we have already obtained closed-door testimony. Well, closed-door testimony doesn't
50:43
Speaker 13: provide oversight. Public testimony provides oversight. We have asked them
50:47
Speaker 13: for public testimony and for oversight. We would love to
50:50
Speaker 13: have the scientists who the six or seven scientists that
50:54
Speaker 13: were commissioned to look at this, we'd love to see
50:56
Speaker 13: their report. Why would we not be allowed to see
50:58
Speaker 13: their report? I can't even read that in private. But
51:02
Speaker 13: that should be public, the science. If there are sources
51:04
Speaker 13: and methods, mark them out, redact them.
51:07
Speaker 8: Amen.
51:07
Speaker 2: Am I missing something here? What the hell would the
51:12
Speaker 2: CIA be doing covering up any of this now anyway?
51:16
Speaker 2: The American people demand transparency for this thing that upended
51:19
Speaker 2: their entire lives. That's what we demand and nothing else.
51:23
Speaker 1: I don't care if there are personalities in the administration
51:26
Speaker 1: that don't like Rand Paul and vice versa.
51:28
Speaker 2: I get it. Rand Paul rubs people the wrong way.
51:31
Speaker 2: Who cares? I want transparency on COVID. And I know
51:34
Speaker 2: the American people want that too. And the CIA should
51:37
Speaker 2: not be sitting on anything that is relevant to the
51:40
Speaker 2: American people who were put through that misery. So whatever
51:43
Speaker 2: this is, get the hell over it and get it
51:46
Speaker 2: out to the American people. I am deeply, deeply frustrated
51:51
Speaker 2: to see something like that. Now, also the whistleblower yesterday
51:54
Speaker 2: alleged outside of COVID that something else crazy happened involving
51:59
Speaker 2: the current CIA. Now, the current CIA is led by
52:01
Speaker 2: John Ratcliffe, to be clear. John Ratcliffe, who at one
52:05
Speaker 2: point was President Trump's Director of National Intelligence, now the
52:08
Speaker 2: current CIA Director. He's a former congressman. He's kind of
52:11
Speaker 2: done it all. And he has been a force for good.
52:16
Speaker 1: We've seen him make criminal referrals for the behaviors of
52:19
Speaker 1: James Comey and John Brennan. As far as we can tell,
52:22
Speaker 1: his history has been that he's wanted COVID transparency. So
52:26
Speaker 1: to what extent is he dealing with a deep state
52:27
Speaker 1: inside of his own agency? That's one of the questions here.
52:30
Speaker 1: But listen to this allegation. This comes to us from
52:32
Speaker 1: the whistleblower yesterday, alleging that the CIA went into Tulsi
52:37
Speaker 1: Gabbard's office, the director of national intelligence, and seized a
52:40
Speaker 1: bunch of documents that were destined for declassification related to
52:44
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy's assassination and the mind control operation known
52:48
Speaker 1: as MKUltra from the middle of the last century.
52:52
Speaker 2: Here he is describing it.
52:53
Speaker 10: The CIA refused to provide information necessary to understand why
52:57
Speaker 10: analytical standards at the CIA were violated. The CIA illegally
53:05
Speaker 10: monitored the computer and phone usage of DIG personnel, their investigations,
53:09
Speaker 10: and contact with whistleblowers. These were Americans being spied upon
53:16
Speaker 10: illegally while executing duties directed by the President and under
53:21
Speaker 10: the authority of the Director of National Intelligence. One CIA
53:26
Speaker 10: contractor assisting with the DIG's investigation into the events that
53:30
Speaker 10: transpired between 2022 and 2023 was fired by the CIA
53:36
Speaker 10: one day after meeting with the DIG. When the DIG
53:43
Speaker 10: ceased operations, the CIA also took back 40 boxes of
53:47
Speaker 10: JFK files and MKUltra files being processed for declassification by
53:53
Speaker 10: DNI Gabbard.
53:57
Speaker 4: What is that?
53:58
Speaker 1: Now, yesterday, there was a huge debate that raged online
54:02
Speaker 1: in the wake of this disclosure that the CIA, there
54:07
Speaker 1: was a semantic fight over whether or not the CIA
54:09
Speaker 1: had raided the director of national intelligence. Everybody was getting
54:14
Speaker 1: spun up about the word raided. And the reason for
54:18
Speaker 1: this is it comes from two places. Congresswoman Anna Paulina
54:21
Speaker 1: Luna interpreted this and said that that was a raid.
54:23
Speaker 1: And you also had Jesse Waters last night on his
54:27
Speaker 1: Fox program describe this as a raid. So raid was
54:32
Speaker 1: the word of the night. Everybody was talking about a raid.
54:35
Speaker 1: But again, this is a semantic fight. Did the CIA
54:38
Speaker 1: go in and grab these boxes from the director of
54:40
Speaker 1: national intelligence? And by the way, the DNI is supposed
54:43
Speaker 1: to sit atop the intel community. not at the service
54:47
Speaker 1: of a random CIA official or agent or even a
54:49
Speaker 1: CIA director. And now, again, that word raid, did that occur?
54:57
Speaker 2: The director of.
54:57
Speaker 1: National intelligence's office released a statement overnight saying, no. Olivia Coleman,
55:05
Speaker 1: DNI spokeswoman, said this is false. The CIA did not
55:09
Speaker 1: raid the DNI's office.
55:11
Speaker 2: Did not raid.
55:11
Speaker 1: Now, by the way, I'm looking here. Jesse Waters apparently
55:13
Speaker 1: deleted the video where he had that up as the
55:16
Speaker 1: post that there was a raid. So I get they're
55:19
Speaker 1: trying to put that one away. But the DNI's office
55:22
Speaker 1: says false. The CIA did not raid the DNI's office.
55:26
Speaker 1: But Mike Lee responded to this and says, well, it's
55:29
Speaker 1: immaterial whether those documents were in her personal office. If
55:32
Speaker 1: those documents were taken away from her custody by CIA
55:34
Speaker 1: as she was preparing to declassify them, that's a problem.
55:39
Speaker 2: Well, it sure is.
55:41
Speaker 6: It is a problem.
55:42
Speaker 2: If it's destined for declassification, why is the CIA going?
55:44
Speaker 2: What is this?
55:45
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're going to get some more
55:47
Speaker 1: answers on this soon. We did hear from Katie Pavlich
55:50
Speaker 1: overnight who spoke to some sources on the subject. Katie
55:54
Speaker 1: is great. She said she spoke to an intelligence official
55:57
Speaker 1: who told her the following. The documents weren't taken today.
56:00
Speaker 1: It was not a raid on DNI Gabbard's office.
56:03
Speaker 2: Again, those are semantic issues. People from the CIA took
56:07
Speaker 2: documents related to the JFK assassination and MKUltra from the
56:11
Speaker 2: National Reconnaissance Office last year in the middle of the
56:14
Speaker 2: night during the government shutdown.
56:16
Speaker 1: And they have not returned. or they are withholding them
56:20
Speaker 1: from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Because
56:23
Speaker 1: the CIA is withholding these documents, they cannot be declassified
56:27
Speaker 1: and scanned for public release. Quote, this is the intel official,
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Speaker 1: the CIA doesn't think they answered to anyone. The same
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Speaker 1: intel official says, quote, I doubt Ratcliffe knew about it.
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Speaker 1: I doubt CIA Director John Ratcliffe knew about it. Now,
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Speaker 1: if that's the case, you're dealing with a deep state problem.
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Speaker 1: If the director of the CIA is not being briefed
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Speaker 1: on the behavior of CIA officials to prevent public disclosure
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Speaker 1: of documents that President Trump has mandated be released, then we've.
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Speaker 2: Got big problems.
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Speaker 1: Again, this is just one of those stories where given
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Speaker 1: all of the intelligence interests that are involved and all
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Speaker 1: of the the underhandedness. It's actually kind of hard to
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Speaker 1: know precisely what's going on here. But again, it seems
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Speaker 1: like massive semantic debate. I hardly care whether or not
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Speaker 1: it was a raid or not.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it would be crazy if they had like
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Speaker 2: a guns drawn raid of the director of national intelligence.
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Speaker 2: But fundamentally, this is about did you prevent public disclosure
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Speaker 2: or not? And why is this being covered up? And
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Speaker 2: why do I have to hear about it from a whistleblower?
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