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Build Batuu Better · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the note party.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: This is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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  Speaker 1: are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Aggressive Negotiations. That's Star Wars podcast you just
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  Speaker 4: can't get enough of. And I am one of your hosts.
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  Speaker 4: Here Matthew Rushing coming at you live from Bat two,
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  Speaker 4: that planet that nobody knows anything about, from some sort
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  Speaker 4: of source material that nobody read. Anyway, with me as
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  Speaker 4: he is every single week. Get that Ronto rap out
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  Speaker 4: of your mouth so we can do this podcast, Jedi
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  Speaker 4: Master John Mills, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, hold on, listen to me.
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  Speaker 2: Though we write a story set in the Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: universe with a crime fighter on Bat two named Batoo.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've got a winner right there, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we've absolutely I heard all of you out there.
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  Speaker 2: At least three of you laughed. You liked the joke.
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  Speaker 2: Matt didn't, but you did. And that's me. I'm John Mills.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I bring to the show.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a third of our of the audience laughing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that that many people laughed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, full stop right there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if one person is laughing, some part
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  Speaker 2: of them inside laughed. Okay, that's that is the God's
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  Speaker 2: honest truth. And we are grateful for everybody that does listen.
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  Speaker 2: We do this for the love of the game. So
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna be honest. I know it's tough.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody leaves star ratings and reviews for like anything anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, if you got the time, great, We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to try to bribe you. Matt might try
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  Speaker 2: to bribe you. I'm not gonna try to bribe you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna use a Jedi mind trick. Right now, you
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  Speaker 2: will at.
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  Speaker 5: Least read it out on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do that, and you know what, next one we get,
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  Speaker 2: I will read and charge our voice from beginning to finish.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, come on, come on, listeners. How could you want
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  Speaker 4: to hear that?
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  Speaker 3: Right? I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 5: I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to hear it. Go back and rewrite a
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  Speaker 2: review and then tell us you rewrote it. There you go,
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  Speaker 2: we'll read it on the air for you. Absolutely absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, Matt, you know I know that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you got a pretty interesting topic for tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So we were talking to our good friend Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: a good friend of the show, and there are some
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  Speaker 4: changes that are coming to Galaxy's Edge, and of course
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  Speaker 4: you know I've I visited you a few years ago
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  Speaker 4: and we went to Galaxies Ed together so I could
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  Speaker 4: finally experience it, and some of the some of the
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  Speaker 4: changes are interesting, you know, the sense that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be adding music from all six original films and
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  Speaker 4: not just seql Era, and they're going to be adding
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  Speaker 4: a lot more original series characters to bat too, so
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  Speaker 4: that you can get the feeling of more familiarity than
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  Speaker 4: just the sequel trilogy. And so first I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: ask you, do you think that that is a necessary
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  Speaker 4: change here for Galaxy's Edge moving forward? Do you think
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  Speaker 4: do you feel as though that's actually a must for
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  Speaker 4: them to kind of embrace all of Star Wars rather
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  Speaker 4: than just a specific time period if they want to
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  Speaker 4: stay relevant in the theme park game.
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  Speaker 3: Really, yes, I do, I really do.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it is necessary, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: also exposes a problem that Disney's going to have in
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  Speaker 2: perpetuity now with the Eiger era. And stay with me here,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not dragging anybody here. Obviously, mister Iger is
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  Speaker 2: smart enough to had a multinational, quadrillion dollar company and
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  Speaker 2: all that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not dragging him or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that the core issue and the need
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  Speaker 2: for revamping it comes from the fact that it is
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  Speaker 2: not a Disney ip.
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  Speaker 3: It's one they bought and brought on, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that they need to make these changes because I
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  Speaker 2: would point to one the Muppets. The Muppets were part
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  Speaker 2: of Hollywood Studio and they are gone now because they
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  Speaker 2: never figured out how to revamp it and make it
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  Speaker 2: relevant and it's stagnated. And that was another that was
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  Speaker 2: like Lucasfilm when they brought Henson in. Right then I
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  Speaker 2: would point to one of their own properties, which is
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  Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy ride at
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  Speaker 2: Epcot is amazing. It is one of the best rides
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  Speaker 2: I've ever been on. I've only been on it once
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  Speaker 2: or twice, and I thought it it's I still talk
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  Speaker 2: about it to this day. It's an incredible ride. But
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, as I understand it, Guardians the Galaxy
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  Speaker 2: is gone now for good. So now they're boxed in
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  Speaker 2: on that one will kids in ten years even know
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  Speaker 2: what Guardians of the Galaxy is.
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  Speaker 3: Now. Everybody knows Cinderella.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody knows these classic tales, and it's because their parents
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  Speaker 2: grew up telling them about them. So it makes perfect
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  Speaker 2: sense to me that they're going to bring the Talsoda's
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  Speaker 2: time right exactly. But seriously, like, you know, going back
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  Speaker 2: to a more ot flavor, sorry, original trilogy flavor. Yeah, Disney.
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  Speaker 2: Disney parks are built on the foundation of parents and
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  Speaker 2: grandparents taking kids and being like, this is what I
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  Speaker 2: loved when I was little. Uh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting because.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're right in the sense that if you
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  Speaker 4: want to stay relevant, you have to find a way
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  Speaker 4: to make it something that appeals to everyone who's going
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  Speaker 4: to come visit pigeonholing it into a time period that
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  Speaker 4: only spoke to a very small segment of the population instead.
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  Speaker 5: Of all of the population.
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  Speaker 4: From original series fans, you know, original trilogy fans to
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  Speaker 4: prequel era fans to then SEQL Arab fans, I think, really,
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  Speaker 4: did you know, hurt the whole idea? One of the
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  Speaker 4: things I would say with this, I do get the
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  Speaker 4: sense that they are making a mistake already by also
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  Speaker 4: not leaning into the prequel trilogy and those characters, because
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  Speaker 4: the generation that should be primed for Star Wars right
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  Speaker 4: now is the generation that grew up with Clone Wars
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  Speaker 4: and Rebels and and those characters, and now, of course
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  Speaker 4: bad Batch like, you have generations of kids whose whose
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars was the Clone Wars and then of course
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  Speaker 4: was the prequels, right and like and Rebels. Yes, so
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  Speaker 4: I think in that you're you are actually hurting yourselves
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  Speaker 4: by just tying into the original trilogy. M I agree,
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  Speaker 4: instead of all of Star Wars as a whole, and
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  Speaker 4: you know I would I think I mentioned this when
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  Speaker 4: we did our review, But you know, I think one
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  Speaker 4: of the things as well too.
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  Speaker 5: In one of the ways in which.
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  Speaker 4: Warners was so successful with what it did with the
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  Speaker 4: Harry Potter universe, which that you got to go experience
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  Speaker 4: the places you always wanted to visit, and with Batou
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  Speaker 4: you don't get to do that because Batoo is never
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  Speaker 4: a place we visited on screen. And so I think
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  Speaker 4: if you if you want to find ways, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to maybe make this place relevant for the long term,
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  Speaker 4: the one way to do that is to give people
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  Speaker 4: the experience of coming back to a place that they love.
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  Speaker 4: Both you and I, I've been to see you a
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  Speaker 4: few times now, and we've been to Galaxies once, but
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  Speaker 4: we've been multiple times to the Wizarding World of Harry
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  Speaker 4: Potter because both you and I, who do a Star
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  Speaker 4: Wars podcast not a Harry Potter podcast, love returning to
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  Speaker 4: the world of Harry Potter with the way that it's
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  Speaker 4: done there, not only because the rides are phenomenal, which
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  Speaker 4: they are. I mean, Hagar's Magical Bike Ride is one
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  Speaker 4: of the best rides I've been on.
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  Speaker 3: Hands down, hands down, one of the best coasters I've
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  Speaker 3: ever gotten.
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  Speaker 4: And of course the Grengott's Ride is great, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And so two rides there, and then of course now
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  Speaker 4: with Epic Universe you've got the Ministry of Magic Ride,
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  Speaker 4: which is also fantastic, pretty great, right, I mean, so
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  Speaker 4: they're kind of knocking it out a park in that
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  Speaker 4: sense of not only is it the aesthetic of the
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  Speaker 4: place and being in all the places you loved from
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  Speaker 4: those films, and you know from the books in that sense, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they they they're it has the aesthetic that
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  Speaker 4: they used in the movies. But you know, for anyone
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  Speaker 4: who's a book fan, Diagon Alley feels like dian and Alley.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Hoggsmead feels like Hogsmead. And so if you
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  Speaker 4: did that with Star Wars then and you you had
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  Speaker 4: a really interesting idea. And I thought, uh, as we
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  Speaker 4: were talking with Yancey today and I actually thought it
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  Speaker 4: was genius of a way in which you could you
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  Speaker 4: could begin to branch off from that two and create
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  Speaker 4: different parts of the Star Wars universe organically with what
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  Speaker 4: they already have there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, i'm I'm I appreciate the compliment. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like you could. I don't know how difficult it was,
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  Speaker 2: but given the fact that the shuttle is no longer
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  Speaker 2: in play from the defunct hotel and all of that
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff, you could have the Falcon be your
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  Speaker 2: pivot point. You could enter from Batou side and go
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  Speaker 2: into the Falcon and walk out into Tatooine side. So
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  Speaker 2: basically you have a an era switch right there, and
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  Speaker 2: you make it, you know, agnostic in that sense in
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  Speaker 2: that it's like, you know, I'm going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to go to both places, and then you could also
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  Speaker 2: approach from Tatooine side and then walk out and you're
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  Speaker 2: on Battou and you put stuff on either end that
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  Speaker 2: would appeal to everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, while.
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  Speaker 2: You say you know they should incorporate Clone Wars era stuff,
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  Speaker 2: prequel era stuff, I mean they do. They have a
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  Speaker 2: naimoidan shuttle. It's just it's raised up. You have to
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  Speaker 2: like look at it right, So there are little love
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  Speaker 2: marks all throughout the place. They have a loath cat,
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  Speaker 2: a sleep in a cage. But you have to find
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  Speaker 2: the bizarre and walk through it to truly get that experience.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think that you know what
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  Speaker 2: you're saying with the Harry Potter stuff. I'm not even
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  Speaker 2: the world's biggest Harry Potter fan. You're much larger Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter fan than I am. Absolutely, It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm a casual fan of Harry Potter. You're a
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  Speaker 2: You're a diehard fan. You have a podcast that is
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  Speaker 2: here on the network that finished some time ago that's
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  Speaker 2: still getting new listeners that were ol posts where you
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  Speaker 2: went through the Harry Potter series, one chapter at a time,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody loves it.
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  Speaker 4: And this is not to shoot my own horn, but
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  Speaker 4: it is the most successful podcast I've ever done in
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  Speaker 4: the sense of listenership. And it's not even close, my friend,
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  Speaker 4: It's not even close, which is insane to me.
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  Speaker 2: The love for it is real, and it's out there.
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  Speaker 2: It's here on the network. So you know, anybody listening
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  Speaker 2: to the sound of my voice, you love Harry Potter.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't listen to ol post. Everybody loves it. Fifty
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  Speaker 2: million Elvis fans can't wrong. So go on over and
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  Speaker 2: give it a listen. Okay, but seriously, right, I go
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  Speaker 2: back to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter as much
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  Speaker 2: as I can because I just love walking through the place.
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  Speaker 2: There are times where I've gone to Universal and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even bother with the rides. I just like walking
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  Speaker 2: through because it's such a wonderfully realized spot. Also, they
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  Speaker 2: very smartly put a lot of shade on the Digon
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  Speaker 2: Alley side, So in Florida, when there's a lot of sun,
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  Speaker 2: Digon Alley is truly a refuge from you know, the
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  Speaker 2: blistering heat that you can experience during summertime and all
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what about you?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, how would you pivot you've been I
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  Speaker 2: know you've only been to Battoo once, but when you
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  Speaker 2: walk through, there seem to be a number of open
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  Speaker 2: areas that could be converted in some way, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: would you do anything with those spots?
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  Speaker 4: So I wanted to touch on just real quick because again,
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  Speaker 4: the reason I brought it up, and this was not
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  Speaker 4: me just like blowing and smoke up my friend's butt,
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  Speaker 4: because I would never do that to you, because that's
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  Speaker 4: not the type of friends we are.
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  Speaker 5: We're more likely to make fun of each other than that.
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  Speaker 4: But what I thought was brilliant about the idea with
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  Speaker 4: the Falcon is that it's the same idea that they
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  Speaker 4: use with the Hogwarts Express and that's what yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what makes that work. So or again, you could
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  Speaker 4: make a ride similar to that that does the same
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  Speaker 4: type of thing, right, you know, it could almost be
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  Speaker 4: like a Star Tours thing, and yet the ride is
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  Speaker 4: to shuttle you between one place and another, and so
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  Speaker 4: absolutely would work.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the things that's really interesting is
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  Speaker 4: that what they have not embraced, especially because they had
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  Speaker 4: not embraced all eras of of you know, Star Wars
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  Speaker 4: up to this point until now.
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  Speaker 2: Is that.
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  Speaker 4: It would be great if you had rides referencing things
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  Speaker 4: that were so popular in the Star Wars saga, Like
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  Speaker 4: why isn't there a ride that is Millennium Falcon through
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  Speaker 4: the asteroid belt? You know, why isn't you know and
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  Speaker 4: again dark ride that you know, if you do it right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you could do it similar almost to the
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  Speaker 4: Battle the Ministry, you know, very similar to that, but
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  Speaker 4: allow people to experience something that puts you in the
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  Speaker 4: cockpit of the falcon or something, you know, that'd be cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean just randomize what you get in the
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  Speaker 2: cockpit of the falcon right now?
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  Speaker 5: That too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the Hondo thing, which is great. I
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  Speaker 2: love that they had Hondo all of that stuff, But
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  Speaker 2: what you're talking about, you could easily just change you
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  Speaker 2: have to pilot through the asteroid field.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think another thing that's kind of strange to me
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  Speaker 4: is like, why isn't there a speeder bake. Why isn't
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  Speaker 4: there a speeder bike chase ride that maybe feels similar
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  Speaker 4: to Hagrid's Mac digital bike ride that allows you to
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  Speaker 4: do something like that. It almost you know, except for
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  Speaker 4: the ride that's you know, kind of changing, which is
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  Speaker 4: the Aerosmith ride over there.
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  Speaker 5: It's like they're afraid of roller coasters, which I don't
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  Speaker 5: understand they are.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of the things is Disney's brand isn't
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  Speaker 2: really roller coasters. Yes you have Space Mountain, Yes you
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  Speaker 2: have the Neutron ride. I get that. I've yes, I've
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  Speaker 2: been to Disney. It's never been the coaster place. That's
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  Speaker 2: the one thing where it's like, I think Universal has
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  Speaker 2: the advantage with something like that, is Universal has I mean,
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  Speaker 2: their coaster game is top notch, and you know, quick
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  Speaker 2: shout out. SeaWorld's coaster game is actually pretty darn strong too, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I it's never been really a coaster
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  Speaker 2: type of place Disney World, right at least, And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's because of the age thing. You know, people
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  Speaker 2: beyond a certain age and people below a certain age
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  Speaker 2: are not coaster fans, and so it makes it a
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  Speaker 2: much more universal experience to have non coaster stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: you could do a plenty of dark rides like the
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  Speaker 2: Speederbick thing you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Over at Animal Kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: They have an avatar ride and it's called Flight of
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  Speaker 2: Passage and it's phenomenal. Like I always tell the story,
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  Speaker 2: the first time I wrote it, I cried, not because
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  Speaker 2: I was so emotionally touched, but because I felt I
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  Speaker 2: had experienced something that was like an evolution of the technology.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was legitimately floored with what I had experienced,
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  Speaker 2: and it made me emotional because I felt blessed to
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  Speaker 2: have lived through a time where I could witness it.
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  Speaker 2: I know how dramatic that sounds. I wasn't like crying
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  Speaker 2: like I was at my dad's funeral or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: but like you get tiery where you're like, wow, this
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  Speaker 2: is really yeah, I'm you know, you feel so blessed
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  Speaker 2: to experience it sort of thing. But you could do
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  Speaker 2: a speeder bike ride like that, for sure. Absolutely, I
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  Speaker 2: think that too much of it. I think the real
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  Speaker 2: missed opportunity is that they had that hotel, and the
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  Speaker 2: hotel was supposed to have a shuttle that came over,
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  Speaker 2: So the way they designed it, you know, didn't lean
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  Speaker 2: itself in. But I think you're right, I mean, but
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  Speaker 2: to your point, didn't I swear I heard somewhere that
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  Speaker 2: originally they were going to have multiple rides like that,
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  Speaker 2: and it was it was Eiger who came in and
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  Speaker 2: said no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 3: And may remember they.
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  Speaker 2: Were building Galaxi's Edge and then they stopped it for
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  Speaker 2: six months while they reimagineered it or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Am I remembering wrong?
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  Speaker 4: You probably are remembering better than I do, because I
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  Speaker 4: don't feel like I was just plugged into that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in all honestly partly because you know, I don't live
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  Speaker 4: in Florida, and the thought process of when I was
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  Speaker 4: ever actually going to get to go was you know,
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  Speaker 4: a moot point for me, and so but I do think, look,
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  Speaker 4: one of the things that that I think would be
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  Speaker 4: smart is to begin to branch off from bat To
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  Speaker 4: and to create other areas of the Star Wars galaxy.
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  Speaker 5: For you.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: It utilized bat To as the landing point. And part
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: of that, too, is just that, you know, when you
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: think about BA two, there's just really so little there.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: There's two rides, that's it, and and the rest of
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: it is this concrete jungle that you're walking around, which
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: looks vaguely Star Wars y. And I got to give
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: it to him. The Toronto rap is the one of
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: the best things I've ever had at a theme park
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: food wise delicious, But you know, Oga's is too small
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: and uh you know, so gosh. If you give people
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to visit the Cantina and Star Wars, I mean,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: uh of tatooine, Come on, I mean, who doesn't want
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to have a drink at the bar.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I love DJ Rex, I think he's great, But to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: your point, yes, everybody wants to walk in and here
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: doo do do do do do do do do do
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: do do do. Even my youngest when I put on
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a shirt that you got me that had figuring Dan
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: in the modal nodes on that, yeah, she looked at it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: She looked at it and she said, oh yeah, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: she started going.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows that song. That's what you're going to Galaxy's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Edge for. You're not going for, oh listen to this
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: hot beat that we came up with. No, you're going
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: because you want to hear that and you want to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: see somebody that looks like wou hare serving you drinks.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: That sort of thing.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Although I love Ogas, I thought Oga's was phenomenal. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: think Ogus is probably just next It is next level design.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing is you and I were coming
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: at it from a place of extreme good fortune because
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we've both been. There are people who haven't been who
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: are probably listening to us, and it's like, you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like somebody complaining that, you know, the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the the gourmet meal that they got.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It was like, well, you know, the steak wasn't perfect.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And I get that, but I think that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: The spot that you're coming from and I'm coming from,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is it could be so like we are always looking
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: at it as but it could be so much better.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And the thing that is, you know, let me ask
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you this question though, okay, is we went to all
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: of Hollywood Studios. Did you feel that way about any
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: other part of the park, Because Hollywood Studios is you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you got Tower of Terror, you got Toy story Land,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the Muppets rip, Yeah, Star Tours from back in the day,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you have the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular. Like, did you
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: get the same vibe from anything in the rest of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the place where you're like, eh, this could have been better?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, is it just that the park itself is underwhelming.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Universal Studios as a whole is relatively underwhelming.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Tower of Terror is fantastic though as a ride I
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: loved it. I thought it was really well done. But
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you know, again, that's where I think that they have
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: the opportunity because that park needs such a facelift to
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: really make that a park that just is basically full
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: of Star Wars goodness. And again, I think that the
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Lisiting World of Harry Potter kind of shows the way
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: on how to make this something really spectacular. You could
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: do something really special, and you could make it this
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: place that people want to continue to go back to
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: over and over again. And part of that is by
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: creating compelling rides that people are like, Man, I've ridden
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that one hundred times and I want to do.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: It again, you know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: And honestly, you know, that's one of the things that
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: kind of keeps me going back to Universal with you
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: is that all of their parks have rides that I
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: continuously want to go back and ride again because it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: just so much fun. And you know, in the end,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you know, I think ambiance only does so much for
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: a park. What parks are best at is when they
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: give you ambiyonce plus the thrills that you enjoy and
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the special moments that you can't get anywhere else. Right,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and so when you walk into the Galaxy's edge and
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: everything and you could do fun things there, you know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I didn't build a lightsaber because it's what two hundred
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: dollars to build a lightsaber, and you know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: I was going to spend that money.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't build a droid, you know, because it also
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: costs a fortune, and it already costs me a fortune
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to get there.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: To borrow a line from Kang and Codo's talking about HBO, No,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that's what cost extra.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I never did.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I've never done either one of those experiences either, because
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, I can't really justify the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: extra cost after going you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, and so but I again, I kind of
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: just think the other part of this is is that
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: you don't want to walk into a place and feel
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Star Wars adjacent. You just want it to feel Star Wars.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: And the most Star warsing place there is when you're
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: standing in front of them in a millennium falcon.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, hands down, you know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: That's that's just an I mean, being there that that's
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: a great experience, but you want the whole park to
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: feel like that, right Again, that's what the Wizarding World does.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: The whole park makes you whichever part of the park
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: you're in, even now with the new epic world that
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: they did with the Fantastic Beasts. But it also combines,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: you know, a classic Harry Potter element with the Ministry magic.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I mean that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: You just around every corner, you feel like you're there.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: And yes, that's what you kind of want, not kind
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: of want. That's what I would want from my Star
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Wars experience. In fact, that should be the Star Wars
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: experience because Star Wars has so many places that you
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: could visit and you could create that would make you
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: feel like you're there, you know, yep, there's just so
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: many planets to choose from.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And so I think replacing just that special you know
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: tie fighter thingy that they made that never showed up
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: in episode nine, right, which is a cool design, replace
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that with a classic tie fighter easy win right there,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: that you know, that sort of thing. But let me
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: ask you this question just as we're closing out right,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: is everybody wants to put Vader in, and they're gonna
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: put Vader in. Do you think that's the right move
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: or should they be leaning more into Mando verse, which
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you know, baby, you know, Grogu is universally loved and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you could bridge that gap pretty easy. Do you think
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that Vader boxes them in as well? Or do you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: think that he is just an eternal character that no
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: matter who goes, they want to see Vader, Like when
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: they go there, Vader's who they want to see, you know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I think that again, you know, but two should be
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: kind of be this place that feels like it can
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: encompass all sides of Star Wars right from all the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: trilogies and everything else in between. And if you had
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: been smart, you know, you would have created stories where
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, you would have gotten a Han solo
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: film and Part two where they went to Batou, right,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: and you would have gotten something in the Bad Batch
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: where they went to Batoo or in a clone Wars,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you know, like Tales of the Jedi or something, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: something you would have had all Eras touched this, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: then it could just be this place where all of
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: these characters can exist and you could remember them being there, right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: The hardest era for that to happen obviously is the
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: original Trilogy era, because we just don't have, you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: any animated series taking place in that era or anything
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: like that. But like you said, the Mando Verse right
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: after the original trilogy, uh, with you know, younger Luke
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: and Lea and all those characters plus all the Mando characters. Yes,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I think it doesn't really necessarily box them in. I
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: just don't think they have done a good and enough
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: job of synergy. And I do think that a part
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: of this is that, you know, Disney as the parent company,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: was dictating what it was going to be and instead
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: of working really in conjunction with Lucasfilm as a partner,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: to say what should be here, what's gonna be the
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: biggest draw? And you know you you you came on
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: at the beginning and you're like, I'm not gonna ding
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Bob Iger, but this is one of his biggest mistakes.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Well well no, no, no, no, no no, we're still
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: not going to ding by Biger because neither one of
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: us wants to be you know, disappeared.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, then, mister, I'm.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I misspoke. You're the bad, You're the tops.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We love you. There's nothing you ever did wrong. Mister,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I've never love you.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: No, no, thank you, thank you for all of that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: You have never messed up, and.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You're gonna get me killed. I live in Florida, for
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: God's sake, So.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, all is to say is like, I
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: think the reason we're having this conversation is because it
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: was interesting to us that this news came out, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: both you and I we want this to be big.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: We want this to be a success. We want this
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: to be a place that we want to continue to
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: go to.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: What I kind of dislike personally is that I'm in
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a spot where it's like, yeah, if I went ever
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: went back there, I'm fine with it, Like that's where
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I am. And I know other fans are different in
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: that sense, but it's like I feel like I experienced
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: enough of it, you know, and I had a fuzzy
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: ton ton and and and you know all the things
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I got to ride both of the rides.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And drop the green milk, blue milk, good green milk, blanda.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yes, giving the milk is stop pretending it is great.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So you know, in the end, like that's why we're
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: talking about this, because you know, I do want there
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: to be a better synergy between what's coming out on
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the shows and the theater and all this stuff with
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: what's happening in the park to drive that together. And
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously that's what Disney used to be really
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: good at because they were making most of their money
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: on the parks. And of course now they're really making
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: most of their money on the parks because they are
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: gouging us like crazy to get into the parks. And so,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: but give me a reason to not feel bad about
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: being gouged then, especially when it comes to Star Wars,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and that's what I feel like. They're not legitimizing the cost.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: And that's where if we, you know, took some of
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: these ideas, or any of these type of ideas, I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: think Galaxy's Edge could be the one of the premier
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: spots in Orlando specifically because you have the space to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: do it, and it could make Hollywood Studios one of
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the coolest parks in all of Orlando if you did
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: this right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Listen, we're basically saying, let us love you, please.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Exactly, help me, help you, help me, help you, or.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Jim Kirk from Star Trek five, let me do something something. Yes,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So you know, speaking of doing something. If somebody wants
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to reach out to you because you hit a nerve,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you hit a note, they agree or they disagree, Where
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: can they find you online?
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Absolutely?
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Find me all over social media under the name Matt
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Rushing's zero two. If I'm on the platform, that's my name.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: We mentioned you could find me over at olposts here
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: on the network. It's a completed show about every single
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: chapter the Harry Potter series. Over on the TFM network,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: got a bunch of shows. One is the six of
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: two Club. We're talking about all the franchises we love
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: outside of Star Trek. In fact, we just hit our
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: five hundredth official episode, so check that out.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Very fun.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: We got a lot of great stuff coming for you
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: this year, and a lot of great Star Trek talk
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: over there with Chris Jones. But John, If Bob Arger
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: wants to know where to find you, where can you
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: find you? No?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: No, he can't fight.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I don't I'm not in the US anymore. Nope, Bob
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Iger can't find me. Please, No, I'm I live it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: You've hiding at our friend's house in France.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: No, I'm at an undisclosed location in a bunker somewhere Okay,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: you'll never find me.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But if you want eight days later for John, twenty
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: eight days later at the Eiger Temple.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: So if if you want to reach me, if you
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: want to give me heads up that the drone strike
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is coming from Disney headquarters, you can find me as
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Kessel Junkie out there.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Find me over on Letterbox.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's where I love to talk about movies and outrage
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: people with what I rate them. And of course you
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: can find me here on the network with a show
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that I find to be delightful because of course I'm
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: biased because I'm on it. I'm on it with Tristan
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Riddell and Darren Moser. It's called house Lights. We look
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: at the work of directors and characters and you know
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: what if we play fast and lose with the rules,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but that's because we have a lot of fun with them.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So go on over there. But Matt, I have to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: make sure that the.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: The beacon blocker is on back at my room so
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that I can avoid the Disney drones.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: John, negotiations are closed.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: What's that buzzing sound?
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Join the Revolution, Join the nerd Party.