Latest / The Shift Podcast / 25. Chronic Illness & Finding Strength

Transcript

25. Chronic Illness & Finding Strength · The Shift Podcast

• 0:00
  Welcome to fight my datak, a podcast that helps bridge, the
• 0:03
  gap between healthcare workers and First Responders and
• 0:06
  everything in between. Hey everyone.
• 0:12
  We are winding down the summer and I don't know about you, but
• 0:14
  in California, it is hot. We've had multiple triple-digit
• 0:18
  days and I am just ready for the kids to go back to school and
• 0:21
  get back into the swing of things and for fall to come and
• 0:24
  it to cool down this week. I'm joined by one of my star
• 0:27
  clients been. He talks about how he's getting
• 0:30
  ready to start nursing school. Again, he talks about the
• 0:33
  failure that he faced the first time around, trying to pass it
• 0:36
  and failing out of it, and the emotions and experiences that
• 0:41
  Facebook that and the struggles that he faced with that.
• 0:43
  He talks about how he got over that and how he's also lives
• 0:46
  with a, chronic illness and the obstacles.
• 0:48
  He's faced with that and how he is moving towards his goal of
• 0:53
  eventually getting his RN, license getting his master's and
• 0:56
  going into flight nursing. So I hope you enjoy my interview
• 0:59
  with been this week. Hey then thanks for joining me
• 1:04
  today on the podcast. Good afternoon, Janessa, I'm
• 1:08
  happy to be here. All right, why don't we start
• 1:11
  out with you? Just introducing yourself and,
• 1:14
  you know, I want to just preface it for the listeners.
• 1:17
  The reason why I really wanted to have you on is because I
• 1:20
  really feel like you're one of my star clients who just has
• 1:23
  really taken all of our sessions and really made the most out of
• 1:28
  them for yourself. And I just seen a ton of growth
• 1:31
  in you and I'm sure we'll talk. That on the rest of the
• 1:34
  interview. But that is why I wanted to
• 1:37
  interview do today. So go ahead and just talk about
• 1:41
  yourself and introduce yourself. We'll start there.
• 1:43
  Well first of all thank you very much for all.
• 1:45
  Those kind words your time so far has been great and I hope it
• 1:51
  continues to be as productive as, as it's been.
• 1:54
  But anyway for everyone, I'm, my name is Benjamin Kelly.
• 1:58
  I live up here in Sullivan County, New York.
• 2:01
  I will be Starting. My first semester of nursing
• 2:04
  school in fall. I am a member of testing EMS.
• 2:10
  They are a volunteer agency here, in Harrisburg, New York.
• 2:15
  I am a, my primary responsibility with them is a
• 2:20
  driver. I'm working to go get my RN
• 2:27
  through a local community college and hopefully, we'll get
• 2:30
  my EMT and possibly my medical. Through the next couple of
• 2:34
  years. I threw doing EMS and going to
• 2:39
  nursing school. I hope to focus on emergency
• 2:42
  department and I see you work. I I found nursing to be a
• 2:52
  possible career path due to my past history and, you know, with
• 2:57
  future events or I should say current events.
• 3:01
  My future seems to be well, founded and hopefully goes as
• 3:06
  goes as well as plant. Yeah, great.
• 3:08
  And I want to just touch on, you know, you said with my past
• 3:12
  history, can you just explain that a little bit for people
• 3:15
  listening, like what that means and kind of what it's meant for
• 3:18
  you to go then? Around to go into it.
• 3:22
  Yes of course my is really my biggest thing with my history
• 3:27
  regarding nursing is. I actually have cerebral palsy
• 3:30
  up and down my left side which was caused by a level 3 brain.
• 3:37
  Bleed when I was 32 weeks old and my mom had preeclampsia when
• 3:44
  she had me and you know it caused a little bit of a rocky
• 3:48
  beginning but really Lee that Rocky was beginning really
• 3:52
  resulted in who I am today. You know, I was forced to work
• 3:57
  with, I would say about 60 percent at least in, I would say
• 4:05
  strengthen my right and my left, my left arm and about 50% of the
• 4:09
  dexterity. In my left hand, you know, in
• 4:12
  the past, 20 years of doing anything for manual labor, to
• 4:15
  going through school and eventually started a nursing
• 4:17
  program and in, in all that hard work, I realized that there's
• 4:26
  Although, sometimes I forget, but there's, I've realized that
• 4:29
  I can do anything. And this nerd, the nursing
• 4:35
  hopefully will will be the way that I can help people.
• 4:40
  Maybe not so much with just the condition I have, but at the
• 4:44
  worst times at their, you know, the worst times in their lives
• 4:48
  and so that they can move forward and be and realize that
• 4:51
  those those are just snapshots and Life will continue.
• 4:56
  Yeah, and we talked about it, it seemed like a lot when we first
• 4:59
  started meeting was, you know, just your limitations basically
• 5:04
  and how it may have affected nursing school the first time
• 5:08
  around for you. But I really feel like, you
• 5:11
  know, as we started talking, you realized that sometimes those
• 5:16
  physical limitations is really what has given you the mental
• 5:19
  strength. Now, to accomplish even more
• 5:21
  than you thought, you would have been able to Two.
• 5:24
  If you didn't have some of those limitations.
• 5:27
  No, I totally agree. I, you know, it's because of the
• 5:30
  fact that I'm, you know, I have chronic cerebral palsy.
• 5:33
  I forget that, you know, and so it just becomes really, really
• 5:37
  easy to overlook that as being. Obviously it's a it's a
• 5:44
  diagnosis. I will forever have, which
• 5:47
  causes me to forget that. That that like I said, it made
• 5:52
  me who I am hm-hm. Yeah.
• 5:55
  And what would you say to people?
• 5:56
  Because I think, You know what stops a lot of people is
• 6:00
  circumstances. So they like for example, they
• 6:04
  say like I'm too old or this is my third career or I've tried
• 6:08
  nursing school, I've tried to get in a couple times and I
• 6:11
  haven't so they like let circumstances similar to your
• 6:15
  circumstances of having a chronic disease.
• 6:18
  Really stop them from going forward.
• 6:20
  So what would you say to those people who have really kind of
• 6:22
  let that play out and those circumstances, prevent them from
• 6:27
  really moving forward. Like how, what are the things
• 6:30
  that have helped you kind of overcome that circumstance to
• 6:35
  move forward with what you want to do now?
• 6:40
  I think that for people that, either timing or third career,
• 6:47
  like you said, it's I wouldn't say certain chance that we all
• 6:54
  find nursing is something that maybe not a career, but even
• 6:57
  something that we think of, you know, it doesn't come out of
• 7:00
  thin air, you know anyone that That second guess is that, I
• 7:05
  hope that they've realized that. If that just randomly comes out
• 7:14
  of thin air and you go all the way through, you know, you're
• 7:19
  Etienne your BSN and for even further, I mean that's just a
• 7:23
  sign of it was meant to be and for me it's the same thing, you
• 7:27
  know? I In the past couple years I've
• 7:32
  gone anything from manual labor working for my father.
• 7:35
  As I contract, as a contractor, I've done BOCES programs to
• 7:40
  become an electricians. Apprentice, you know, doing the
• 7:45
  ambulance so I've always focused on something or not focused, but
• 7:49
  circumstance my circumstances, it's always come up that my job.
• 7:54
  My jobs aren't focused on using my brain.
• 7:58
  It's always Cool. And I almost think that that's
• 8:03
  not not by chance because Of what I of my condition.
• 8:09
  So, you know my my life has just been Conquering those things,
• 8:16
  you know, there's things in each, each one of those fields
• 8:20
  that I have and will continue to work on.
• 8:24
  So I think the biggest circumstance and biggest
• 8:31
  prevention from people, you know, being you know, like oh I
• 8:34
  can't go through nursing school. No, you it's all the decision to
• 8:39
  you know, it's all it's all going to be mad.
• 8:41
  So when it comes down to it, your body will do anything.
• 8:43
  You ask of it, the mind will break first.
• 8:46
  Yeah, well, the body will break first but the mine will cause it
• 8:50
  to break first. Yeah, because it with the mind,
• 8:54
  Push through more than the body can take. and, So if you make
• 9:01
  the decision to sign up for that nursing program, sign up to, you
• 9:06
  know, become a member of, you know, ambulance court, go do it
• 9:10
  because the worst that can that can happen is you decide not to
• 9:15
  continue. Yeah.
• 9:17
  And I love that you said that you know your condition was a
• 9:21
  physical thing and so you just kept putting physical things in
• 9:26
  your way so that you could overcome them.
• 9:28
  And every time you overcame them Realized like a little bit more
• 9:31
  that it's going to be possible. And that anything is possible
• 9:34
  for you if that makes sense. And I think that that's you know
• 9:39
  like you said has been the thing that's really helped you is that
• 9:42
  it's not by chance that those things those certifications.
• 9:46
  You you got all ended up being physical things that you
• 9:49
  overcame. Yeah.
• 9:51
  You know, it wasn't by chance that I ended up with a physical
• 9:54
  condition and I'm the only male in my family and it work I
• 9:59
  should say, I'm the only male offspring of my father hadn't
• 10:01
  yet. I'm one of his primary workers,
• 10:03
  so yeah, you can't think that's by chance.
• 10:06
  Yeah. Love that.
• 10:08
  Can we talk a little bit about kind of your journey?
• 10:11
  What you met me for and kind of what we've been working on, of
• 10:15
  course. So I graduated class 2020, from
• 10:21
  high school. I went to high to college having
• 10:26
  pretty sure that I was going to become a nurse.
• 10:28
  I so I started an in-depth kind of an indirect route of doing
• 10:33
  one year of prerequisites folk, only only prerequisite courses.
• 10:38
  I completed that with very high grades and everything, I then
• 10:45
  that summer so go with that prereqs.
• 10:49
  I was like, okay, well now I'm gonna go get my CPR
• 10:51
  certification because I knew that was going to be a
• 10:54
  requirement for the nursing program.
• 10:56
  So I went and did that, by the end of getting that
• 10:58
  certification. I actually became a member of
• 11:00
  Tustin, a loved it. Ever since Then follow that, you
• 11:08
  know, this past year, came around, I started my first
• 11:11
  semester of nursing school. I honestly I excelled in in
• 11:18
  clinical I did fairly well in lab.
• 11:23
  I ran into a lot of again setbacks with with my condition
• 11:28
  even between putting on donning and Doffing gloves to putting in
• 11:35
  full. He's but I was able to pass
• 11:39
  everything there. My my my biggest roadblock there
• 11:45
  was the with The didactic lecture portion of nursing
• 11:50
  program of the nursing program, which caused me to fail out,
• 11:56
  which I, I've accepted, and decided to go back for another
• 12:04
  attempt at my Etienne. And that's where I'm sitting
• 12:10
  right now. I'm sorry you.
• 12:13
  You asked me how I met you. So with all of that going on, I
• 12:18
  found this podcast. I really enjoyed it.
• 12:24
  I recommended it to a lot of my friends in the program.
• 12:29
  And I did and I think it was your second free.
• 12:34
  Consulting. Yeah, I think that's what it was
• 12:37
  the and it just clicked, you know, I thought that you guys
• 12:42
  well it was you and I think one of your other Medics that's why
• 12:47
  I say you guys. Your program seemed like it
• 12:50
  could really help and so far, it really has.
• 12:53
  And again, that's where I am now.
• 12:56
  Yeah, can you talk about like, because it was almost like the
• 13:01
  fourth or fifth session that we had.
• 13:04
  We started out really with you having a hard time.
• 13:10
  We like talk through some obstacles of you really facing
• 13:13
  failing out of the program and really dialing in what you think
• 13:18
  it was a Are you waiting it? And that was tough like to look
• 13:22
  at it and to evaluate it. And then the third, or fourth
• 13:25
  session, I offered to you, let's write a letter about your
• 13:29
  failure in it and all your feelings and then let's throw it
• 13:33
  away. And then tell me what you
• 13:35
  discovered after you wrote that letter and you burned it, I
• 13:37
  think you've earned it or you threw it away because that's
• 13:39
  what that was a really pivotal moment for you.
• 13:43
  But you had me write this letter, you know, really being
• 13:49
  critical of what caused me. Yeah, to have the result in
• 13:53
  lecture that I did and, you know, it really helped with the
• 13:57
  realization. That my biggest problem was was
• 14:01
  myself but yet, My biggest asset, you know as I've proven
• 14:08
  in life. So far is myself and I actually
• 14:12
  did burn that letter, you know, as a way of saying that you know
• 14:18
  that might still be a part of me but that's not.
• 14:22
  That's not me when it comes to nursing school and my nursing
• 14:25
  career. I, I'm full as I'm not only
• 14:31
  full, heartedly, believe a believer in the fact that I will
• 14:34
  become an RN and even possibly get my MSN and hopefully, I'll
• 14:38
  become a flight nurse. But I I know that I've chosen
• 14:44
  the right path and that I'm ready and willing to do
• 14:48
  anything. It takes to to get my RN It?
• 14:52
  No matter the, no matter the obstacles.
• 14:55
  Yeah and now looking at it like getting ready because you're
• 14:58
  getting ready to start first semester again and this new
• 15:00
  program like how are you feeling now going into it?
• 15:05
  I'm I'm very excited. I would start tomorrow if I
• 15:13
  could, I I'm going back to the same program I was in but yet
• 15:18
  it's like going through with it completely different
• 15:22
  perspective. Not even the fact that I'm like,
• 15:23
  okay, well I know what I should expect for a semester and I
• 15:26
  know, I know, I know of a few people that Went to a different
• 15:31
  programs and came there, you know?
• 15:35
  And I looked at them like, oh, they should have no problem with
• 15:37
  this that and they had the same struggles, I did.
• 15:39
  So it's all a matter of just trusting yourself and your your
• 15:43
  desire and and pushing through. I'm sure that anybody listening
• 15:51
  and yourself Janessa that your everybody has.
• 15:55
  Maybe they got have a kid at home, maybe they have, you know,
• 15:57
  have that they have to work. They stay that you know it you
• 16:01
  guys can you guys and myself will be able to Not only.
• 16:09
  I think that will will show our that.
• 16:14
  Those roadblocks and I don't mean to call y'all's kids
• 16:18
  roadblock. So those those things that make
• 16:22
  the schooling a little bit more difficult.
• 16:26
  Are really going to show to be. Also your biggest motivation,
• 16:30
  you know, your biggest motivation to move on to another
• 16:32
  career. Your biggest motivation be like,
• 16:34
  you know, I just graduated with my RN with it with 12 or
• 16:39
  multiple child most children. So, yeah.
• 16:42
  And I think also, you know, definitely the big part of it is
• 16:47
  mindset. And when we first met it, a lot
• 16:51
  of it was past focused, which I think all of us do, right?
• 16:55
  It was like, well, I failed in the past and I don't want to
• 16:59
  repeat the past and so you were looking at this determination of
• 17:02
  how well you were going to do this second time around to your
• 17:05
  past experience. But really where you shifted now
• 17:08
  is we are not only just looking at the present but we're
• 17:11
  shifting towards the future. Like what has been want to do in
• 17:15
  the future? How are we going to get there?
• 17:16
  And what steps do we need to take?
• 17:17
  Now, to get you there? And I don't know how that's been
• 17:21
  for you for that ship to, not be so past focused anymore, but to
• 17:25
  now really be in the present and looking at the future as far as
• 17:28
  other things that were looking at, as far as student
• 17:30
  externships and stuff like that to, how has that mindset of now,
• 17:34
  you looking future? Focus kind of helped you get to
• 17:37
  where you want to be mentally too.
• 17:42
  It's definitely really helped with my confidence towards
• 17:46
  anything that I'm doing in my day-to-day to looking at my
• 17:49
  future. like I said, my biggest issue was the lecture and yet
• 17:56
  I'm I'm looking at it as, in a way of well, I've passed all
• 18:02
  these prereqs like I said, and what's the difference between A
• 18:07
  reading based prerequisite. Verses are reading base class in
• 18:14
  nursing school and I just got to view it, not only with the the
• 18:17
  same. Level of difficulty because it
• 18:25
  might be easier, might be harder.
• 18:27
  But yet I'm going to view it with the same success rate, you
• 18:29
  know. I'm going to pass it with with
• 18:32
  flying colors. Yeah, you know.
• 18:35
  So I think, looking at the future, you know, one one day,
• 18:40
  one year, 11 decade down the road is really helping me as
• 18:46
  long as you don't fixate on it and just for, you know, get out
• 18:49
  of prison. it's really helping me a stay motivated, but also
• 18:56
  stay excited for For those 10 years, those 20 years.
• 19:03
  Yeah. What would you say to people who
• 19:06
  know? A lot of people haven't had
• 19:09
  exposure to coaching, or don't really know what it is.
• 19:12
  What would you say to? Those people?
• 19:15
  Who maybe don't have an understanding of it, but can you
• 19:18
  talk about? I guess what it has done for
• 19:21
  you. yeah, I've never had any type of Coaching or even really
• 19:32
  direct like Outsource therapy in my life do.
• 19:36
  I it's definitely been a different type of experience but
• 19:41
  in no matter if it's something that you talk about, or well,
• 19:47
  yeah, really something that you talk about or that you feel
• 19:53
  like, after the meeting you're like, wow, I should have just
• 19:56
  thought of that on my own, but then you realize and I know I've
• 20:02
  definitely have you realized that those really simple things
• 20:09
  are going to be your biggest AIDS in some of the smaller and
• 20:15
  some of the bigger hurdles that you go through.
• 20:19
  You know, I there's times that what I talked about a week ago
• 20:22
  with Janessa will come up, you know, while I'm at work.
• 20:25
  And I'm like, huh. All right, I can go, I can I can
• 20:28
  figure this out. I faced harder and it just helps
• 20:34
  throughout the day. So coaching for me is Ben.
• 20:40
  An interesting way of. Helping making sure like all my
• 20:46
  ducks are in a row with going with each step of, not only the
• 20:52
  program but my life and feeling more, confident about all
• 20:55
  aspects of what nursing school. Nursing school.
• 21:03
  Requires of you. I, you know, it's somewhat as
• 21:07
  someone that did go through the first semester, although not
• 21:10
  successful. I know how much it takes out of
• 21:12
  you, you know. And trust me, when I tell you
• 21:14
  guys when everybody is like, you know, Strains relationships.
• 21:21
  It does it can. But that doesn't mean you have
• 21:25
  to destroy each part of your life to be successful.
• 21:28
  I think that the coaching has shown that.
• 21:32
  If done properly, you can have relationships with family.
• 21:38
  The girlfriend a boyfriend. Your classmates and still be
• 21:44
  really successful at all those without feeling drained.
• 21:48
  Yeah, big things that I've noticed from you choose in our
• 21:51
  time of working together. Is that your confidence level
• 21:54
  has definitely increased in every aspect of your life
• 21:57
  personally and professionally and what you're doing that has
• 22:02
  increased. And I think that you have also
• 22:04
  found, you know, even though we've really specifically spent
• 22:07
  a lot of time talking about nursing school, it really has
• 22:09
  trickled into other aspects of your life and Think that you've
• 22:12
  been able to take some of that confidence and apply that in
• 22:15
  other areas, like you were just talking about.
• 22:17
  And so that's the huge, you know, big difference that I have
• 22:21
  seen in you in our time together.
• 22:23
  Yeah. No, it's definitely amazed me.
• 22:25
  How much it's trickled? Into other aspects of my life.
• 22:31
  Yeah. And I have no doubt and then
• 22:33
  full belief that you're going to do well, you know, in nursing
• 22:35
  school this time is going to be the time that you're going to
• 22:38
  pass it and you're going to move forward and onward to the bigger
• 22:40
  things that you want to accomplish like your Masters and
• 22:42
  eventually going into play nursing to.
• 22:44
  So I think you got a lot of stuff going for you and I'm just
• 22:49
  like so happy to be able to be a part of this process with you
• 22:53
  and just have seen a huge change in you and in the small amount
• 22:56
  of time that we've been working together.
• 22:59
  Well again, thank you that I am very grateful for your help and
• 23:05
  your in very grateful for your your input and confidence in me.
• 23:11
  I I think it's definitely helped.
• 23:18
  Preventing any anxiety and really helping with staying as
• 23:23
  excited as I am for starting this journey again.
• 23:27
  Yeah. Yeah, last question for you then
• 23:31
  what is like the biggest piece of advice that you've maybe
• 23:34
  gotten from someone along the way.
• 23:36
  That's really kind of helped you and you've held onto to get you
• 23:40
  to, you know, where you are today, with all the things that
• 23:43
  you've had to overcome, all the obstacles that you face is
• 23:46
  there. One thing that Stands out for
• 23:49
  you. That someone's told you or that
• 23:51
  you carry with you, that kind of helps you through that.
• 23:54
  Um, you know, I think for me, you know, like I said, you know,
• 23:58
  as someone with a physical impairment knowing how strong
• 24:05
  the mind can be. I think the biggest thing that
• 24:09
  I've learned and had kind of told to me over and over again,
• 24:15
  would have to be more really of the way that I guess like
• 24:22
  Special Forces. Training kind of has to be
• 24:28
  viewed and and that would be never quit no matter how hard it
• 24:32
  gets never quit. And for me, that that's that has
• 24:37
  and will continue to be to be a mindset of mine.
• 24:42
  You know. I'm going to repeat something
• 24:44
  that Is very hard and yet, I'm my plan is to not only not quit,
• 24:52
  but hopefully. I have the mindset now that I
• 24:56
  could possibly graduate near the top of my class.
• 24:59
  Yeah, yeah. I'm in full belief of that 24.
• 25:03
  You been. I think you're definitely
• 25:04
  capable of that and I look forward to continuing to work
• 25:08
  together and I look forward to seeing you start nursing school
• 25:11
  because it's going to be starting here soon in the next
• 25:13
  couple weeks, right? Yeah, my dates are right.
• 25:17
  I think it's Timber. Seventh.
• 25:19
  It starts up again. Yeah.
• 25:21
  And you're going to have so much to offer the program to just
• 25:24
  with your poem. With knowledge and you know
• 25:26
  everything I think as who you are as a person.
• 25:28
  So I love the thought that you said that you were the biggest
• 25:32
  obstacle in your way but you are also the biggest asset for
• 25:35
  yourself too. So I appreciate you mentioning
• 25:38
  that. Yeah you know and like you said
• 25:40
  you know any any past experience that you have going in a nursing
• 25:44
  school. No matter if it's completely.
• 25:48
  unrelated or you know, in a in my case you know, EMS, anything
• 25:54
  you see, or anything that you learn is you'll see that Nursing
• 26:00
  school has a way of making. Any foundation that you have in
• 26:06
  something else really stem out and an aide and age you in
• 26:10
  school. I know for me, you know, my
• 26:13
  knowledge of maybe not so much my knowledge, but my my count,
• 26:18
  my confidence, talking to people and patient, interactions,
• 26:23
  really was the reason I had so much success in clinical.
• 26:27
  And, and I'm hoping now that with Amor procedure based
• 26:35
  knowledge. I'll be able to really expand
• 26:38
  expand my Aid, you know, to my fellow students and go back to
• 26:42
  my ambulance Corps and be like, hey, you know, and maybe you
• 26:45
  guys can Aid me with this so that I can go take it back and
• 26:50
  help my other EMTs. And, and again, and again, help
• 26:54
  my fellow students because we're all in it together.
• 26:56
  And I think we all deserve, you know, we're all meant to be in a
• 27:00
  class together, you know, we're all Help each other.
• 27:03
  Yeah I love that and I just really appreciate you being on
• 27:07
  this week because I think it is going to help a lot of people
• 27:10
  who feel who have similar situations as you or who have
• 27:14
  circumstances that are kind of standing in their way.
• 27:16
  Like I love the thought, just never quit, just keep going,
• 27:20
  never quit. Yeah, no II because if you quit
• 27:26
  then you never know. If you never know.
• 27:27
  If you could if you could finish your goal or how far you could
• 27:31
  really truly get Yeah, well thanks for being on Ben.
• 27:34
  I am looking forward to continuing to work together and
• 27:37
  I'm looking forward to see you Excel this whole first month and
• 27:41
  nursing school. Yeah.
• 27:43
  Thank you so much for your your help Janessa.
• 27:46
  I really really appreciate your time and offering to have me on
• 27:51
  really what is proven to be a wonderful podcast.
• 27:54
  I I hope this does help, you know, one or two people in their
• 27:58
  journey and everyone that's listening.
• 28:00
  Good luck with everything that you you hope to achieve In the,
• 28:03
  the near and far future. Thanks Ben.
• 28:06
  Thanks for being on this week. I really appreciate.
• 28:08
  Welcome. Thank you so much.
• 28:10
  All right. Bye-bye.
• 28:14
  If anything Sparks your interest from this interview this week
• 28:16
  and you want to find out a little bit more about coaching
• 28:19
  and how to work with me, go ahead and catch me on Instagram
• 28:22
  and you can find my link to book a friend console and we can talk
• 28:26
  about what working together would look like.
• 28:28
  And thanks for joining me this week and I will talk to you guys
• 28:30
  soon. Bye.