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The Kenny Report | 6 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: More on the economic, energy and security disaster our country
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  Speaker 2: just voted for. But with Teals and Greens in tears,
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  Speaker 2: something must have gone right. Was this a reaction to
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  Speaker 2: their anti Israel invective and the nuclear debate? Why it's
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  Speaker 2: the facts that matter, not the pole driven speculation of
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  Speaker 2: politicians and commentators. I'll cross to Christian Take two in
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  Speaker 2: the US to discuss the Trump effect on our election outcome.
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  Speaker 2: Also Liberal Senator Dave Sharma, Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien and
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Senna Tiempo on the good news and craziness at
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  Speaker 2: home and abroad.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got a labor government that's delivered a cost
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  Speaker 2: of living crisis, a home grown energy crisis, crisis in
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  Speaker 2: the unconstrained expansion of government controlled immigration, fueling a housing crisis,
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  Speaker 2: and all this generating a fiscal crisis with the budget
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  Speaker 2: in deep structural deficit and government debt about to top
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  Speaker 2: a trillion dollars, weakening our country. While we live in
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  Speaker 2: a threatening strategic environment and we have a national security
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  Speaker 2: crisis with an under resourced military. What a dire scenario
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  Speaker 2: and the Albanezy Labor government one re election with a
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  Speaker 2: swing towards it, delivering a thumping majority Australia, you're standing
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  Speaker 2: in it. Voters got what they wanted, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they'll like what they've got once it hits them.
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  Speaker 1: There's blame enough to go around, of course, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Coalition essentially failed us by not providing a real alternative.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of a fiscal consolidation and cost cutting, they offered
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  Speaker 2: more giveaways and deeper.
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  Speaker 1: Deficits for the first couple of years at least.
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  Speaker 2: And sure they had a good plan on energy, but
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  Speaker 2: they failed to argue it, failed to make the case
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  Speaker 2: likewise on immigration. As we get ready for the mess
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  Speaker 2: about to catch up with us, there's a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Things worth pointing out.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's primary vote is still below thirty five percent, so
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  Speaker 2: just over a third of voters. To put that into perspective,
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  Speaker 2: it's about four percentage points lower than Labor got under
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  Speaker 2: Paul Keating in nineteen ninety six when Labor was thrashed
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  Speaker 2: by John Howard. So that's how major party popularity has plummeted.
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  Speaker 2: Labor this time has won a landslide but not on
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  Speaker 2: Labor votes, rather on Greens and other preferences, and the
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  Speaker 2: coalition primary vote was only about two percent below them,
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  Speaker 2: so Labour's not overwhelmingly popular. There's not a gulf between
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  Speaker 2: the two major parties. It's more about the changing dynamic
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  Speaker 2: with third parties and preferences, options that are often deceptive
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  Speaker 2: and futile, but they still shape the nation outcome.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where the.
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  Speaker 2: Ongoing counting is delivering. Plenty of good news, signs that
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  Speaker 2: voters are starting to cut and on to the chicanery
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  Speaker 2: and extremism of the Greens and the Teals.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the Victorian Teal, Zoe Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: She claimed victory on Saturday night as she fought off
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Tim Wilson, the man she beat three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a hard campaign team.
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  Speaker 2: Being Goldstein.
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  Speaker 4: Hope wins.
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  Speaker 5: The Liberal Party threw everything out, us guys who everything,
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  Speaker 5: and we are standing here to celebrate.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the Hope generation. But Hope doesn't win.
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  Speaker 2: The reality of the count caught up with the Teal
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  Speaker 2: spin today.
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  Speaker 6: Given what the rest of the votes going, the computer
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  Speaker 6: saying too close, we're saying Tim Wilson will be returned
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  Speaker 6: to parliament.
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  Speaker 1: He will be the.
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  Speaker 6: First Liberal imp to actually so far gain a seat
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  Speaker 6: not from Labor but on climate two hundred at this election.
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  Speaker 2: How about that in the nearby seat of Melbourne, the
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  Speaker 2: Greens leader Adam Bant is fighting to hang on to
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  Speaker 2: his seat. With two Greens MP's already defeated. The two
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  Speaker 2: still standing are being pushed.
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  Speaker 1: Right to the brink.
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  Speaker 6: It's only at fifty four percent. You say, g Labor's
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  Speaker 6: in the box seat. It's too close. We need more information.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be tight.
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  Speaker 6: There's going to be a decent swing against Adam band
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  Speaker 6: The margins five point six percent. We'll probably no more.
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  Speaker 6: With some absent vote getting countered tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see some of us might even cross our fingers.
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  Speaker 2: But let's hope the poor showing by the Greens around
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  Speaker 2: the country and by the Tills, especially in Melbourne, Let's
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  Speaker 2: hope this is a repudiation of the way they've demonized
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  Speaker 2: Israel and failed to stand up strongly enough against the
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  Speaker 2: wave of anti Semism in this country. The Tills signed
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  Speaker 2: a letter calling on the Albanese government to send tens
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  Speaker 2: of millions of dollars to the UN's Gaza Aid agency,
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  Speaker 2: even after it was revealed some UN staff had joined
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  Speaker 2: humas terrorist atrocities.
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  Speaker 1: And as for the Greens, we know their shtick.
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  Speaker 7: It's up to governments around the world to stand up
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  Speaker 7: when there are breaches of international law, when a genocide
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  Speaker 7: is unfolding, when warkids are taking place, and say enough
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  Speaker 7: is enough, We're going to do something about it. It's
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  Speaker 7: only going to be international pressure from governments like Australia
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  Speaker 7: that see an end to this slaughterer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the Tills and the Greens were too extreme
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  Speaker 2: on Israel, even for Green left voters, although some on
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  Speaker 2: the loopy left seem to be in despair.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this podcast.
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  Speaker 8: It's not looking good and I feel sick if Adam
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  Speaker 8: Bantle loses this. I didn't expect the highest worn off guys,
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  Speaker 8: the highest one off, the joyous one off.
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  Speaker 1: Now I want to quite a sadness cool. I'm certain
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  Speaker 1: somebody's sharing her Paine. There were still others in denial.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of people have been commenting on my other
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  Speaker 9: videos saying that they're very disappointed that the Greens lost
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  Speaker 9: a whole bunch of seats, especially in Brisbane and Crickey areas.
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  Speaker 9: I want to make it quite apparent that US in
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  Speaker 9: the Greens, we actually are calling this a victory for us.
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  Speaker 10: I'm seeing so many insane headlines like Greens crush out
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  Speaker 10: and like dismall results for Greens and step back, look
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  Speaker 10: at the big picture. Oh my god, even just with
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  Speaker 10: the Senate, like we have come so far, the.
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  Speaker 2: Greens just cool defeat victory that's in keeping with their
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  Speaker 2: position on most issues, just to reverse the facts.
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  Speaker 1: I hope they all get some help soon.
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  Speaker 2: But it goes to show no matter how worried you
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  Speaker 2: are about the election result and how concerned you are
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  Speaker 2: about where the country is heading, if Green supporters are
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  Speaker 2: feeling like that, something must be going right. One of
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  Speaker 2: the major problems exposed in this election, a problem for politicians,
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  Speaker 2: media and public debate, is the dominance of politicking over
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  Speaker 2: real politics. Anyone involved in parliamentary politics who wants to
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  Speaker 2: deliver reform and improve their country has to have an
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  Speaker 2: eye to the politics. Obviously, you can't get anything done
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  Speaker 2: unless you get.
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  Speaker 1: Elected and can get measures through parliament.
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean just doing what you think people
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  Speaker 2: already want, as so many in politics and the media
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  Speaker 2: seem to suggest. Serious politicians work out what the country
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  Speaker 2: needs according to the facts and according to their values
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  Speaker 2: and according to what's possible, and then they advocate, They
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  Speaker 2: share the facts and make the arguments to win support
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  Speaker 2: for their plan. That's the sort of politics that interest me.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I experienced working for the Howard government and
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  Speaker 2: that's what always drives my commentary and analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's what needs to happen, not just.
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  Speaker 2: What the polsters tell us or what lily livered bed
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  Speaker 2: wedding politans. Politicians think that we'll get them elected. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why it's been pathetic to see so many politicians
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  Speaker 2: and commentators running this line that aspirations for nuclear energy
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  Speaker 2: are finished in this country because of the election result.
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  Speaker 2: This is classic politicking. It's dross driven by superficial analysis
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  Speaker 2: of opinion polls and the like, because the reality hasn't changed.
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  Speaker 2: Our country is in the middle of an energy crisis
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  Speaker 2: created by our national electricity self harm.
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  Speaker 1: We are committed to net zero, so.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting rid of coal fired generation and trying to
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  Speaker 2: replace it with an expensive, disperse, unreliable, and experimental renewable
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  Speaker 2: energy plus storage model. So many experienced engineers tell us
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  Speaker 2: this simply will not work.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing it fail right now.
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  Speaker 2: With prices rising to record levels and reliability plummeting. In Spain,
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  Speaker 2: they've tried something similar and their whole country went dark
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  Speaker 2: last week. Politics needs to deliver energy security to this nation,
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  Speaker 2: and if we are determined to get to net zero,
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  Speaker 2: there is only one way to do this, and that's
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  Speaker 2: by adding nuclear energy to the mix, as simple as that. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: some politicians have spines as well as brains.
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  Speaker 11: The reality is that anyone that's serious about any you
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  Speaker 11: know what the IPCC report says, it's nuclear globally, if
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  Speaker 11: we're going to get to net zero, If it's okay
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  Speaker 11: for Premium Malinowskis, if it's okay for Jenny George to
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  Speaker 11: recognize that the Labor Party in the UK, the Democrats
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  Speaker 11: in the US, I don't you know. I want us
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  Speaker 11: to be a prosperous country intege So you wondery and
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  Speaker 11: it's going to require energy? You wonder to stick with
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  Speaker 11: the nuclear plant?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you that if the coalition had prevailed at
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  Speaker 2: this election, the first state to put up its hand
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  Speaker 2: for a nuclear power station would have been South Australia
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  Speaker 2: under its Labor Premier, Peter Malinowskis that state suffering under
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  Speaker 2: the burden of a mainly renewable was grid hanging on
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  Speaker 2: to the end of interconnectors from in the state. But
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  Speaker 2: instead of talking about engineering, economics and the increasing electricity
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  Speaker 2: needs of this country, some people want to stick to politicking.
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  Speaker 12: And can I just tell you that wholly after polling
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  Speaker 12: after polling, no matter even if people thought they were
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  Speaker 12: a bit open to nuclear they didn't want it in
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  Speaker 12: their backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine if every politician thought like this just followed the polls.
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  Speaker 2: It seems Peter Dutton and the Coalition did too much
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  Speaker 2: of that during the election campaign instead of winning people
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  Speaker 2: over with the facts. Rebecca Huntley, by the way, was
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  Speaker 2: presented by the ABC as some kind of objective expert
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  Speaker 2: last night, but it's worth mentioning she was formerly a
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party staffer and activist and is still heavily involved
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  Speaker 2: in climate and green left activism. And have a listen
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  Speaker 2: to what she says when confronted with the hard data
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  Speaker 2: of votes cast at this election.
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  Speaker 11: There was no swing to Labor in the towns that
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  Speaker 11: were actually going to be in receipt of one of
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  Speaker 11: these facilities, So they don't you say that, you don't
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  Speaker 11: want to.
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  Speaker 12: Hear no, no, no, it's I've got the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need your opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, forget all your facts and arguments and things. Listen
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  Speaker 2: to my left wing polling numbers that happen to support
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  Speaker 2: the renewable energy industry that.
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  Speaker 1: I work with.
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  Speaker 2: This, in a nutshell, is why we don't have serious
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  Speaker 2: reform in this country. Too much politicking and not enough
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  Speaker 2: serious reform through intelligent political advocacy. The media needs to
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  Speaker 2: play a much stronger and smarter role.
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  Speaker 1: Than all of this.
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  Speaker 2: There's going to be held to pay when the country
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  Speaker 2: goes dark under.
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  Speaker 1: A renewables led grid.
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  Speaker 2: That'll sure cut our omissions for a day or so,
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  Speaker 2: and it will also prove why the coalition's plan is
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  Speaker 2: the right one for the country. Let's catch up now
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  Speaker 2: with Liberal Senator for New South Wales Dave Sharma, joining
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  Speaker 2: us from the Sydney Studio.
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  Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to stick with a nuclear plan, aren't you,
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  Speaker 2: because there's no other way to power this country in
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  Speaker 2: a net zero world.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I still believe in the merits and nuclear power, Chris,
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  Speaker 13: But I think all of our policies as you expect
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  Speaker 13: after a loss like the one we've just suffered. I
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  Speaker 13: think everything will need to be reviewed and reassessed. So
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  Speaker 13: you know, I'm not going to commit to our position
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  Speaker 13: going ahead, but I do think that we do need
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  Speaker 13: some firm of reliable, non intermittent power and electricity go
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  Speaker 13: to make sure that electricity remains both reliable and affordable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no.
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  Speaker 2: Doubt you're going to adjust policies and certainly have to
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  Speaker 2: adjust the way you advocate them. For instance, there's a
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  Speaker 2: very clear fact about this election campaign that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I heard anybody on the coalition side argue once
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  Speaker 2: because there's this bipartisan goal to net zero and Labor
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  Speaker 2: has a plan that can't get to net zero according
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  Speaker 2: to all the experts globally without nuclear power, you can't
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  Speaker 2: get there, Whereas the Coalition, always portrayed as the climate
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  Speaker 2: deniers with nuclear energy, actually has a plan that can
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  Speaker 2: get to net zero eventually. Well, look, I think that's right.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, we took a responsible plan to the election
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  Speaker 13: which committed us to reducing emissions over time, bringing down
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  Speaker 13: electricity prices, including through the gas reservation policy, and making
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  Speaker 13: sure that our The truth is, if you have a
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  Speaker 13: grid that relies entirely on renewables, you need to overbuild
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  Speaker 13: the grid and the capacity and connection infrastructure, everything else
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  Speaker 13: to allow for the vagaries of renewables generation. If you've
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  Speaker 13: got non intermittent sources, whether it's fossil fuel based or
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  Speaker 13: whether it's nuclear or gas, then you don't need to
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  Speaker 13: overbuild the grid that way. And I think one of
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  Speaker 13: the frustrations, and we wear the blame for this, but
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  Speaker 13: one of the frustrations of the debate was there's a
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  Speaker 13: lot of talk about how much would our nuclear plan cost?
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  Speaker 13: How much is Labour's renewables only planning at a cost
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  Speaker 13: exact figures in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's get to the leadership. Andrew Hasty is withdrawn.
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  Speaker 2: Not surprising really, although you'd think he's got a great future.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't the current deputy Susan Lay automatically take over.
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  Speaker 13: Well, look, our party rules say that after an election lost,
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  Speaker 13: and look we've obviously lost the leader, so the leadership
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  Speaker 13: is automatically vacant. I think, from what I understand, Susan
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  Speaker 13: will be a contender, and I think she'll be a
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  Speaker 13: strong contender, but there'll be a number of other candidates
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  Speaker 13: in the field too. I don't know for certain who
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  Speaker 13: all of those are, but you know, we'll have a
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  Speaker 13: competitive process. It'll be a secret ballot. People will make
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  Speaker 13: up their mind. But I think whoever it is, I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 13: the challenge we have to grapple with is a pretty
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  Speaker 13: extraordinary one. You know, this was the worst result for
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  Speaker 13: us as a Liberal party since we were formed, and
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  Speaker 13: we've gone backwards in all states. We've gone particularly far
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  Speaker 13: backwards in cities, both in a metropolitan and out of metropolitanarias.
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  Speaker 13: There's a few green shoots, you know, one of which
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  Speaker 13: is it looks like will win back at least one
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  Speaker 13: Heel set in gold sign with Tim Wilson, potentially another Kuryong.
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  Speaker 13: It looks like we'll hang on in Bradfield's. That's great,
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  Speaker 13: but it's set against the backdrop of a pretty cataclysmic
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  Speaker 13: election result for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, as someone who lost the seat to a Till,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is good news to me.
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  Speaker 2: It might be the zenith of the Tills is beyond us.
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  Speaker 2: As you say, Bradfield and Key Youong, I hadn't mentioned them.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like the Tills could be seen off there as well,
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  Speaker 2: so it's a good turning point. Will you be advocating
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  Speaker 2: for anybody publicly in the leadership ballot? No, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so.
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  Speaker 13: I sort of respect that my colleagues all have different
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  Speaker 13: views on this, and you know, I don't think advocacy
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  Speaker 13: played out publicly, you know, is really constructive to the process,
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  Speaker 13: because whoever we get as the leader, you know, we
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  Speaker 13: will need to work quite collaboratively and have a high
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  Speaker 13: degree of trust as a party room, a much diminished
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  Speaker 13: party room, to get behind that leader and help them
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  Speaker 13: to address you know, a pretty root and branch review
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  Speaker 13: of our everything from the ground up, policies, operations, campaigning, polling, research,
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  Speaker 13: the whole works.
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  Speaker 2: Just jumping in though we can see the narrative. There's
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  Speaker 2: there's so much criticism of the Liberal Party when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the lack of women, and that's coming from
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  Speaker 2: outside and from inside the party. If the hard working
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Susan Lay puts a hand up to get the
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  Speaker 2: leadership in this situation and doesn't get it, there'll be
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of criticism, criticism that this is a repudiation
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  Speaker 2: of a leading woman in the party.
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  Speaker 13: I think that analysis is probably correct. Chris I mean,
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  Speaker 13: I don't think you know. I think we need to
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  Speaker 13: vote though for people need to support sure the leader
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  Speaker 13: who can best lead us out of this, and part
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  Speaker 13: of that will be personal attributes, but part of that
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  Speaker 13: will also be how they work with their colleagues their
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  Speaker 13: vision for the party. But I'm conscious that there is
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  Speaker 13: a public facing or symbolic size this as well, and
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  Speaker 13: people will need to try conclusions on that.
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  Speaker 2: Mind you, you know you're between a rock and a
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  Speaker 2: hard place. The criticism will come anyway. Even if Susan
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  Speaker 2: Lay gets the leadership, they'll all say, oh, that's the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party. They only give the leadership to a woman
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  Speaker 2: when you know when they're a busted flush effectively, so
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  Speaker 2: you won't be able to win that one. I do
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  Speaker 2: want to go to a senior coalition woman though I
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  Speaker 2: had on the program last night, send it to just
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  Speaker 2: into a Navajimba Price. I talked to her about actually
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  Speaker 2: maybe joining the Liberals. Have a look.
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  Speaker 14: There's a lot to consider going forward in all of this,
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  Speaker 14: and what I do know is that we need to
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  Speaker 14: figure out where we went wrong so we don't repeat
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  Speaker 14: those mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't rule out trying to switch to the Liberal party.
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  Speaker 1: Room yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Look, as I said, there's a lot to consider right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to see our relations with the Nationals.
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  Speaker 2: But she'd be welcome in the Liberal party room, wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 13: Well, yes, I don't want to be accused of poaching
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  Speaker 13: colleagues for the Nationals or anything else, but look, just
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  Speaker 13: inter is a welcome presence in the joint party room,
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  Speaker 13: the coalition party room, and which party room National Liberal
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  Speaker 13: tsoes is to sit in that's a matter for her
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  Speaker 13: odd respective decision either way.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Dave. I appreciate it. Dave Shama,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: their Liberal Senator for New South Wales. I want to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: get a Joel Bernie now from the Australian Israel and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Jewish Affairs Council. He's joining us live from a Melbourne.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Joel.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm really keen to get your reaction to what we're
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: seeing happening in the seat of Melbourne in particular, firstly
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: where the Greens leader Adam bant Is could lose his seat.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Certainly he's having to fight tooth and nail to hang
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: on to it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Could be a backlash against the stridently anti Israel invective
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: of him and the Greens.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me, Chris, And of course it
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is if you take to the election a clear policy
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: and as stated by Adam Bant and others Greens Party,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: their obsession with Israel and the claims of genocide and
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the false claims of this and that was a key
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: pillar of their campaign and they've gone from four seats
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in the Lower House to potentially it looks like zero.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: So yes, it's a clear repudiation of the toxic anti
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Semitism emanating out of the Greens Party, the fanning of
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the flames of the the fires on the streets of
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Melbourne and Sydney, and the lack of the social cohesion
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and the fabric of Australian society. They ran a toxic
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and divisive campaign and they've gone from four seats to zero.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: So any tears from Abby Chatfield or dj Adam Bant
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: is irrelevant. They failed dismally in this election and the
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: results are clear as clear as day.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree with that. I think it's absolutely clear.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: There's no other reason for people to drop off the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Greens in that way. It shows that some of the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: perhaps environmental focus Greens supporters have a conscience on this
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: issue and that deservedly been slapped down the Greens across
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the country. But Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, she sees
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: it differently. Here's her comments on Adam Bank.
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: One of the things about Saturday Kyle is I think
• 21:10
  Speaker 15: Australians rejected the politics of conflict and the politics of grievance,
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: and unfortunately.
• 21:18
  Speaker 16: Adam Bant, you know, in some ways it's quite like
• 21:21
  Speaker 16: Peter Dutton. It's the same conflict, it's the same frankly
• 21:27
  Speaker 16: sometimes quite aggressive, and the same politics of protests and grievance.
• 21:32
  Speaker 16: And I think Australians have comprehensively rejected that. And my
• 21:35
  Speaker 16: suggestion to Adam Band has perhaps he should consider what
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: the message Australians sent to all of us in the Parliament.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Penny Wong, they're a leading member of the Labour's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: socialist left faction, standing there in a green jacket, saying
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that Adam Band is more like Peter Dutton. Isn't Adam
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Bant more like Penny Wong, especially on Israel?
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Well, certainly the policies of that are more closely aligned
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: with Senator Along But to give Labor credit they have
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: definitely departed from long standing bipartisan position on Israel. That
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: is being clear, and we can go through the whole
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: long list of things. But to say to suggest that
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: it goes to the depths and the depravity of the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Greens Party, I think is a little bit too far.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: For now. My hope is is that look, the comparison
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: with between Adam bat and Peter Dutton is not a truth.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: For one, we can again go through the whole long
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: list as to how the Coalition handled the campaign and
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: things that they should or should not have done during
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: that campaign. But to suggest that there's some type of
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: similarity between the two I think is a little bit.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I think it's quite wrong.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: But more alt certainly the Greens have gone a lot further.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I just want to get you quickly on the tills
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: because again they haven't been as strident or as offensive,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to put it that way, as the Greens. But they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: did sign up to demanding the restoration of funding to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: UNRA even after they knew unra's staff had been involved
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in the octop over the Seventh atrocities. Surely that would
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: have turned a lot of Jewish voters in Goldstein and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: probably in Kujong against the Tials.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the third electorate that you should list
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: in that is Wentworth because on the topic of Israel,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: a Legrispender, who also has a very large Jewish population
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: in Wentworth, she tried to curate a more individualized policy
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: visa vi Israel and I think that that helped her
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: in the outcome of the election. There's no doubt that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the Jewish vote in Goldstein and Kujong is a factor
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: in the swing against the Tills in those two seats.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: It looks like Tim will win in Goldstein and the
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: tussle in Kujong is and accounting still going on, but
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt that those that had Jewish constituents in
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: there those electorates were probably judged in many cases on
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: their positions on Israel. Look Chris to just to sum up,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the next three years with this Labor government are going
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: to come with both challenges and opportunities for the Jewish community.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: They have a huge man date from the Australian public
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: will respect that and we hope that we have a
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: constructive relationship with them going forward.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said Joel, Thanks for joining us.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Joe Bernie there from AJAC in the Australia Israel Jewish
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Affairs Council. We've got to get to a break.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: On the other side, I'll catch up with Tim Blair.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: He's got a bunch of reasons why we should forget
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: our worries and be happy. Let's catch up with Tim
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Blair from the Daily Telegraph. Good to talk to you, Tim, mate.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, very well. Thanks.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Now you thought that a lot of your readers might
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: need some cheering up after the weekend. Me I'm happy enough.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: The Crows triumphed beautifully on Saturday night. I'm out of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the white to smile off my face. But you found
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a few things around that should give us heart about
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: life in general, about the people around us.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: One of those was that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Shambles on the end one the major motorway north of Sydney.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Early in the week and a company that actually fair start.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was our mistake, our problem, we'll fix it
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: Absolutely went beyond that. This was a truck that lost
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: I think seven hundred odd kilos of sharp metal pieces.
• 25:08
  Speaker 17: It stops three hundred cars, some of them had all
• 25:10
  Speaker 17: four tires flattened. There's a poor chapter there trying to
• 25:13
  Speaker 17: cope with the situation. This happened about five o'clock in
• 25:16
  Speaker 17: the morning, which is a pretty busy hour at that
• 25:18
  Speaker 17: in that part of the world, on that road, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 17: the truck driver, even though it wasn't his fault, was
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: reportedly distraught of just being involved in something that had
• 25:28
  Speaker 17: caused so much damage and so many delays to so
• 25:31
  Speaker 17: many people. So that's a sign of a heart beating
• 25:34
  Speaker 17: in the right place. That's a great Australian trait. And again,
• 25:37
  Speaker 17: you know, we've got we've got to look at the
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: bright side and depending regardless of our politic political persuasions,
• 25:43
  Speaker 17: there's always good things happening in Australia and involving Australians.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Chris, No, there's no doubt about that. I've got to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: tell you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I was at Albernisi function on Saturday night and some
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: of our viewers will hate me for saying this, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I love seeing the joy of these people. Now I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: disagree with the policies. I think it's going to be
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: bad for the country, but I know a lot of
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: these people. They work hard. They're out there all day
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: handing out how to vote cards for the party that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: they believe in, and they're all their work and paid
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: off and they're celebrating.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: They're very very friendly.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: To me, even though someone that probably want to deck me.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But you know it's good.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: There are good people around on all sides, and there
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: is another one on politics. I mean, this is a
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: little bit mean, but I think we can all get
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: some joy out of the pain that some Green supporters
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: are feeling at the moment.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I showed this earlier.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: We're going to show it again because you highlighted it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: It's not looking good and I feel sick if Adam
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Bantle los this. I didn't expect the highest one off, guys,
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: the highest one off.
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: The joy has one off.
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: No, I want to create a sadness cool now.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know who Abby Chatfield if someone said she
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: used to be on The Farmer wants a Bachelor or something,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but apparently lots of people watch her podcast and share
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: this is what she feels about. Adding band's devise give
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: me a break.
• 27:06
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's like young people, Chris and we were young once.
• 27:10
  Speaker 17: I mean, I guess, I guess you do want it all.
• 27:14
  Speaker 17: You know, it's not enough Lefties that they've they've smashed
• 27:18
  Speaker 17: the coalition, they've wiped the opposition leader off, the face
• 27:22
  Speaker 17: of the political map. But they've also got to get
• 27:24
  Speaker 17: the Greens up as well. Although it was a labor
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: guy or labor female candidate who's going to rub it
• 27:31
  Speaker 17: out by the looks of things. You can't have it all, girl,
• 27:34
  Speaker 17: you know, you just take the take the win, as
• 27:37
  Speaker 17: they say among the among the youngsters.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Now another one you highlighted. This is another very serious one,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a life and death one, and everyone around the country
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it's got to agree with you on this. And this
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: is finding out more and hearing more directly from Inspector
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Amy Scott from the New South Wales Police Force and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that horrible stabbing, that murderous rampays through by Dijunction Westfield
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: last year and Amy Scott, we've seen the vision of
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: what she was confronted with. I love the fact that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: there were unarmed blokes says you're on your own, We're
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: there with you, We got your back as much as
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: we can. But as you pointed out, knowing what was
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: going through her head at the time just makes it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: all the more inspirational.
• 28:21
  Speaker 17: It genuinely does. It was incredibly moving. The response from
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: Daily Telegraph readers in the comment section was profound. People
• 28:29
  Speaker 17: adore Inspector Amy Scott for her work. They're massively impressed
• 28:33
  Speaker 17: by the not just the courage, but also the focus
• 28:37
  Speaker 17: and the and just the very deliberate way she went
• 28:41
  Speaker 17: about things. There was no mayhem, there was total calm,
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: although as we found out later on during the inquest,
• 28:48
  Speaker 17: internally and mentally she was in a state of some
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: sort of dread and turmoil. She expected, fully, as she said,
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: to die in that encounter, yet still followed all the
• 28:59
  Speaker 17: rigors of her training, followed all of the instructions and
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: took out the danger. It was incredibly impressive police work
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: and also just impressive being Australian work.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, just impressive work at being an exceptional human being
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and trying situations.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we can get the vision up again.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: But as you said, she said she expected to die,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: so she was willing to lay down her life in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the performance of her duty.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But obviously what she did actually save lives.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And if you see this vision where she first confronts
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the offender, she's actually before she's even pulled out her gun,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: she's motioning to others around her get back in the shop.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Gets showing this quit were brilliant stuff.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Before she confronts this guy and she only had like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: milliseconds to do the deed.
• 29:45
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, and again not to make light of what was
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: a very serious situation, but that sort of marshaling you
• 29:49
  Speaker 17: sometimes see in the AFL get out of the fifty
• 29:52
  Speaker 17: meters zone. You know, a full foward will actually direct
• 29:55
  Speaker 17: play in those sort of circumstances, and it's because they
• 29:58
  Speaker 17: know exactly what they are. Of course, in Inspector Scott's case,
• 30:01
  Speaker 17: that was a brand new playing field for her and
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: she's still monstered it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Well done, just brilliant, just superb. And we'll finish off
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: on a sport. You've gone the sporting and analogy. Let's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: go for a sporting triumph that is getting people around
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the country very very happy. This bloke does actually risk
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: life and death every time he raises Oscar Piastre. But
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: look at this, I mean, you don't want to put
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the mockers on him, right, but he is on track
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: to be a world champion.
• 30:28
  Speaker 17: Here he's this is only his third I think full
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: Formula one series and he's up against a teammate in
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: identical machinery who has a brilliant reputation of amazency. A
• 30:41
  Speaker 17: Lando Norris who began this series as probably the favorite
• 30:45
  Speaker 17: in this entire, entire global contest, and our boy who
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: you wouldn't really say it in Formula one but in
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: the context of his team, but you know, he's the
• 30:55
  Speaker 17: second in the team. He's the supportive teammate. He's won
• 30:58
  Speaker 17: three Grand PRIs in a row. This is an extraordinary
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: run and he's doing it also against a certain chat
• 31:05
  Speaker 17: named Verstappan, who is one of the last I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 17: four or five world titles. He's blitzing it. It's terrific
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: to see. And he's got the Australian flag on his hermit.
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: Don't have to do that, and it's probably taking the
• 31:17
  Speaker 17: place of the trillion dollars worth of advertising. But in
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: three places on his hermit there's our flag, the front of.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: The the Aussie flag and to capital off his carbon positive.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: He's joining us. Tim Blear there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Will catch up with him again later in the week,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: but he's found plenty of smile about in these trying times.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You're going to take a break. On the other side,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with Kristen Tate in the US to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: talk about the Trump effect on our election. Let's get
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: back to the Trump factor I talked about its impact
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: on our election last night. Silly as it was. Labor,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the Greens and the Tills targeted Peter Dutton as Trump
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: like and it worked. I put it where US analyst
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Christen tight that's similar to Canada, Donald Trump was the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: third wheel in our campaign. Yeah, that's right.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Albanese's defeat of Dutton definitely mirrors the outcomes of Canada's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: election last week, where you had this once struggling left
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: leaning party that just soared to victory thanks to an
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: anti Trump inspired popularity boost. And you know, the way
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I see it, Trump's America First message doesn't resonate with
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of people around the globe who see the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: kind of emergence of this more self serving America that's
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: been evolving and getting stronger, and without a doubt that
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: hurt done. So. Yes, Trump definitely had an impact on
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: your elections.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. What's good for America,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it might not be good for the.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Rest of the world.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Let's just have a look at this, just how prominent
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the Trump factor was.
• 32:54
  Speaker 18: This is Trumpian style fact resistant policy making.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: This is Dogie Dutton.
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: Don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: Comp style politics here to Australia.
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: Echoes of Trumpian politics, and we never ever ever want
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: an American style health system in this country.
• 33:15
  Speaker 18: Frame Peter Dutton as Trump like, is that an.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Ode to Donald Trump?
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: It is not an ode to Donald Trump.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Just to cut and paste from the United States.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Now, Kristen, Donald Trump as spoken with Prime Minister Anthony
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: alberm easy and congratulated him on his re election, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: he'll have good.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Relations with Australia.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Tariffs still a big issue, but of course the two
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: countries have to maintain good relations. But do you think
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: it worries Donald Trump at all?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That really what is sure?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of exaggeration in the attacks linking various
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: politicians to Trump.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It's very much an Andy Trump Andy Trump.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Vibe, but it's wind of the under the wings of
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the left in some cases the extreme left.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Does that trouble Trump or would he not care?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think it does trouble him. I think he's
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: solely concerned with America.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: He ran on America.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: First, and I will say that I suspect that the
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: anti Trump sentiment in these other countries has a lot
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: more to do with Trump's personality than his policies. You
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: have the media around the world, the left wing media
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: that is constantly insisting Trump is this fascist dictator. So
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I suspect that's what it's all about. And you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Trump was very kind to Albanezi. He loves being on
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the side of the winner. And I suspect that we
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: will continue to have a very strong relationship with Australia
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: moving forward.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. List there are some other issues.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: There's plenty happening.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: One good thing that Donald Trump has done his latest
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: executive order, he's stopping gain of function research into viruses.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: This is something that our own Sherry Maxon has focused.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: On so strongly over many years.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The fact that the wu Han lab was where this
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: COVID virus originated in an escape from there.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That's obvious.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It was obvious from the start, but the world's been
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in denial about it so long. Here's Donald Trump with
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of course he's Health Secretary John Robert F.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Jr.
• 35:11
  Speaker 19: So it can leak out like from Wuhan, and other
• 35:15
  Speaker 19: people think that. I think I said that right from
• 35:17
  Speaker 19: day one, and so it can leak out innocently stupidly
• 35:20
  Speaker 19: and competently but innocently and half destroyed the world.
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: There's no laboratory that's immune from leagues, and this is
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: going to prevent those kind of inverted leaks from happening
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: in the future and endangering humanity.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably a wise move Christian in terms of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: protecting people, but it goes back to just facing up
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to this reality the world has denied so long, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that is the Chinese research in Wuhan, part funded by America,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: was actually the source, accidental or not, of the virus,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: And COVID was such an eye opening experience for so
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: many Americans. It was the first times that many people
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: in this country, just average voters, realized the extent to
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: which our own government routinely lies to us. We were
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: told by doctor Fauci and the top experts in this country,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the top scientific experts, that the US did not fund
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: gain of gain of function research. We were told that
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: the virus did not come from a lab league and
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: that anyone that even had questions about that theory was
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a science denier, brandma killer. Essentially, we were told to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: cower in our homes, to not send our children to school,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to not go say goodbye to our dying relatives in
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: nursing homes. Well, you know, the same scientists who told
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: us to do that, we're saying, oh, it's great if
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you go out and protest racism, because racism is the
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: biggest public health threat facing this country. The whole thing
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: was a complete nightmare.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: But the one.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Positive of it, Chris, is that so many Americans woke
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: up to it, and people realize, now that you know
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: you need to ask questions, you just take everything you're
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: told at face value.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Now again, Donald Trump, another bald move. He's going to rebuild, refurbish,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and reopen Alcatrez as a federal prison. This is extraordinary.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for the next time someone of skypes
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and swims across San Francisco by you. We might actually
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: get footage over this time. That's right, I mean.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: And liberals are crying over this news, saying it's going
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: to be too expensive to reopen it. These are the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: same left wingers that love to spend money like drunken
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: sailors on anything else, but they become penny pinchers when
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you want to fund prisons in this country.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: It's going to cost about.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Three to five million dollars to restore and maintain it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: That is nothing. That's what we spend on welfare in
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: this country in like five minutes.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But I love this.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: It is a symbol that law and order is being
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: restored in this country and that if you are a criminal,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: you're going to prison. Since twenty twenty in this country, unfortunately,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: we have been releasing far too many violent criminals back
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: onto the streets. Our cities have become hellscapes because of it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And this is a symbol Trump is saying no more
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Look, the answer here is that Democrats would have happily
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: funded the reopening of Alcatraz. If that could have sent
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump there, I would have loved it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Then that was the all agenda.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Now I've got to ask you about this image of
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump as the next pontiff as well.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: This is the sort of stuff that goes on with AI.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's very funny.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump put it out there himself.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Isn't that sec religious?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Now? Look, I'm a very committed Catholic, and when I
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: saw this a image I kind of chuckled. I certainly
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't offended by it. It's not mocking Pope Francis. Trump
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: was not dressed as Pope Francis. He was dressed as
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the Pope in the AI image. And the whole point
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: of the joke is actually kind of self deprecating to Trump.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: The whole point is that it's ridiculous to imagine Trump
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: as the Pope. And hilariously, if you talk to people
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: who are offended by this AI image, it's not the
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Catholics that I know and I'm friends with it in
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: my family, They're not offended by it. It's liberals who
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: claim to be Catholic, and you have spent their entire
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: careers fighting against everything the Catholic Church stands for. People
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: like New York Governor Kathy Hochel, California Congressman Ted Leu.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: These are people who support abortion, they support the chemical
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: castration of children. And five minutes ago, all of a sudden,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: they're saying they're now committed traditional Catholics. It was the
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: AI image of Trump as the Folpe that was the
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: last straw for them.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It's a total joke.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: They are the only people who are fake offended by this.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Real Catholics, I mean, they don't find this offensive.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I tell you, the pipe needs to be both celibate
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and infallible, and I think Donald Trump files on at
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: least one of those canut on board.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Thiks for joining us, Kristen, thank you, Chris. Yeah, so
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: good catching up with christin every week, isn't it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: We've going to take a break. On the other side,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with a couple of other regulars, Susio
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: O'Brien and Stephen Sena Tiempo. We'll get into the election
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: highs and lows. Let's catch up with Susi O'Brien from
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the herold Son in Melbourne and Stephen Senate Tiempo from
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: two Double C in Canberra.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Great to catch it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: This is the first time we've officially met in the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: second triannion of the People Socialist Republic of Albanisi, so
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it's a momentous occasion.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Susie.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Let's focus on the Libs. They're looking for a new leader.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Susan Lay has been deputy, She's worked hard in that
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: thankless role. Julie Bishop was deputy including deputy Prime Minister
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: for a long period of time, never got to be leader.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Unless Susan Lay gets the job, there's going to be
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: all this commentary saying the Liberals are so bad with
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: women that they can only have if there I use
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the analogy, they're always the bride's made, never the bride.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: Well, it's interesting because often women are bought in to
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: clean up the mess created by males after disastrous election.
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: So either way, you know there's going to be commentary.
• 41:07
  Speaker 18: But you know what, the Liberal Party at this point
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: has three major problems. They vote with women, their vote
• 41:13
  Speaker 18: with minorities, and their vote with young people. And if
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: they've got a female person, a female who is wanting
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: to stand up and take the leadership to show everyone
• 41:23
  Speaker 18: that they are going to do things differently and put
• 41:26
  Speaker 18: a woman in control. Then and if in fact they
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: don't do that, and if they go with the pay
• 41:32
  Speaker 18: all male, there's two other pale males who are putting
• 41:34
  Speaker 18: their hands up, then it would just be a case
• 41:36
  Speaker 18: of nothing has changed.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: They haven't listened at all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: There'll be more than two election cycles in the wilderness.
• 41:43
  Speaker 18: They have to put Susan Lee in that position.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: We are all pale on this panel, and I identify
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: as male. But they could save some money if they
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: gave the jobs had into that count, they could save
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: some money Steven.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: If they give the job the Susan lady, because.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: She's got a commercial pilot's license, she could fly herself
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: around the country.
• 42:02
  Speaker 20: Look, you know, Chris, the thing that I'm sick of
• 42:05
  Speaker 20: is people that are never going to vote Liberal as
• 42:07
  Speaker 20: long as they're back to eight points to the ground,
• 42:09
  Speaker 20: telling the Liberal Party what they need to do. Susan
• 42:11
  Speaker 20: Lee is the worst option of the three people that
• 42:13
  Speaker 20: have been mentioned.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: That's the reality of this. The other reality is.
• 42:17
  Speaker 20: That who the leader is at the moment doesn't really matter.
• 42:19
  Speaker 20: The Liberal Party's got bigger problems than this, and I'm
• 42:21
  Speaker 20: sick of hearing this stuff about they've got a problem
• 42:23
  Speaker 20: with women voters. They've got a problem with all voters.
• 42:26
  Speaker 20: All voters turned against the Liberal Party on Saturday. That's
• 42:28
  Speaker 20: the reality of this. But what they need to do
• 42:30
  Speaker 20: is get back to the fundamentals of building a Liberal party,
• 42:33
  Speaker 20: and that is they need people who know how to
• 42:35
  Speaker 20: do campaigning. They've lost that. The current campaign team is
• 42:39
  Speaker 20: absolutely useless. They need some policy wonks who know how
• 42:41
  Speaker 20: to write policy. They don't have those. They are the
• 42:44
  Speaker 20: two priorities they need to do. And then they need
• 42:46
  Speaker 20: to address the state based nature of the Liberal Party,
• 42:49
  Speaker 20: which is tearing it apart. It needs to become a
• 42:51
  Speaker 20: federal system or a national system like the Labor Party does,
• 42:54
  Speaker 20: so that somebody's in charge and they can have some direction.
• 42:57
  Speaker 20: But the reality is that up until.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: It is a federal system, it is a federal system.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: You're saying it should be more like a national organization.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Look, but they need accuracy.
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: What I was saying, I was just going to say
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: that if you look at the reality is up until
• 43:15
  Speaker 20: November December last year, the Liberal Party was riding high.
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: It was just they decided not to run a campaign
• 43:20
  Speaker 20: come January.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, politics is not about just campaigning. You're going
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to run the arguments all the way through, and people
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: have that only focus in the campaign, so you're going
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to lay all that groundwork. One of the things that
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: intrigues me speaking about women in politics, Suz.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Is, of course the tials are big on this.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: They're all women, and they all talk about women, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: they all target the Liberals because apparently the Liberals hate women.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And that's why so many women, no doubt around the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: country were pleased to see Zoe Daniel saying this on
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Saturday night.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: It's been a hard campaign team.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But in Goldstein, Hope wins.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: The Liberal Party threw everything out us guys, everything, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: we're standing here to celebrate.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Well, another thing that Zoe got wrong because it wasn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Hope that one, Susie. It was a bloke. So obviously
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the Till voters don't like women either.
• 44:27
  Speaker 18: Well, and you know what, Monie grind did exactly the
• 44:29
  Speaker 18: same thing. She was standing out there on stage, you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 18: kind of like George W. Bush with a mission in,
• 44:35
  Speaker 18: mission achieved, mission accomplished. I think it was she had
• 44:39
  Speaker 18: the thing saying, you know, we've got this coup yong.
• 44:42
  Speaker 18: Oh no, she is now fighting for her seat. She's
• 44:45
  Speaker 18: a few hundred votes ahead. You know, you can say that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: I mean, the Liberals did a lot of women. Women
• 44:55
  Speaker 18: in those seats did overwhelmingly go to support the the Teals.
• 45:01
  Speaker 18: But you just have to look at some of the
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: bigger picture stats about women. Sixty women were elected at
• 45:07
  Speaker 18: this election so far, forty seven of them were from
• 45:10
  Speaker 18: the Labor Party. I mean, the Liberal Party has not
• 45:13
  Speaker 18: just a problem with women voters, but with women pre
• 45:17
  Speaker 18: selecting women to winnable seats.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Well, they had a great female candidate, and certainly there
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: are other examples, But there was a fantastic female candidate
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: in Boothby and ALP voters chose not to elect her,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: so you can't do much about it. But I agree
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: with you it's an issue and we'll see how they
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: deal with it as we move on. I'd love to
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: get a drone shot of Maliku Ryan's backyard to see
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: if there's a big kennel in the backyard and whether
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: her husband is living in it at the moment, because
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty certain she'll be blaming him for a loss.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: It'll be a bloke who lost to Quong.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I want to go to this issue, Stephen, that while
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: we're talking about advocacy and campaigning and whatever, and what
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I said at the top of the program, and that
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: is you've got to stick with policies that are right
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and argue that not just be dictated to by a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: superficial analysis of polls. And that was highlighted by this
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: exchange about the nuclear debate on Q and A last night.
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: There was no swing to labor in the towns that
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: were actually going to be in receipt of one of
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: these facilities.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So then is it that you don't want.
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: To hear no, no, no, it's I've got the numbers.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't need your opinion.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, Stephen, the Rebeca Huntley says, I don't need your
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: facts and arguments and opinion. But based on all that,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I've got my opinion polling numbers go away.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:37
  Speaker 20: Well, I mean we know how well the opinion polling went,
• 46:39
  Speaker 20: didn't we And it's been failing lately too. So you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 20: the reality is that it's not only about defending your policies,
• 46:47
  Speaker 20: and that is something the Liberal Party failed out, no
• 46:48
  Speaker 20: two ways about that. But you've also got to attack
• 46:51
  Speaker 20: the lies and the narratives that are being placed against you,
• 46:54
  Speaker 20: and that was something that they were reluctant to do.
• 46:56
  Speaker 20: So when now Anthony Alberdez, he kept coming out and saying,
• 46:59
  Speaker 20: you know, Peter Dutt and try to destroy bulk billing
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: altogether by bringing in an eight dollar co payment, somebody
• 47:04
  Speaker 20: should have called him out and said, Prime Minister, do
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: you even know how bulk billing actually works? And your
• 47:08
  Speaker 20: co payment's forty or fifty bucks? So who would have
• 47:10
  Speaker 20: been better off? You know, these are the kind of
• 47:12
  Speaker 20: things that they failed to do. They failed to call
• 47:14
  Speaker 20: out the lies, but they also failed out to failed
• 47:16
  Speaker 20: to enunciate their policies and defend them properly. And I
• 47:19
  Speaker 20: just want to go back to the women thing for
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: a moment. Jamie Rodgers, Rowe Knox, emerely A Hamer, all
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: really good blokes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Speaking about blokes and Macha. I want to show you
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit of another males. Richard Marles's son Sam Marles.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: He was also in a contest on Saturday night. It
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't an election. If you're a bit squeamish, you might
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: not want to watch this.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Have a look.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Susie, Apparently the Deputy Prime Minister was watching that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: while he was also watching Tom Connell's count here.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: On Sky News.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's some of the mongrel that the coalition needed,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: hear here. I'm glad myself.
• 48:14
  Speaker 18: Well, I've been distressing about my son's playing football, but
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: that just makes me glad that they're playing nice, safe
• 48:21
  Speaker 18: AFL compared.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: To that great stuff. Thanks for joining us, Susie and Stephen.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you next week. I just want
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: to give you some of your feedback from the program
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: last night. Some of the things we talked about there,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and we've got one viewer there saying that it's an
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: unbelievable result. Australians will learn the hard.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Way that you reap what you sew. Yeah, I think
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that's going to be the case.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says, unless you can bring gen Z to
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the right, then your stuffed millennials and gen Z are
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the majority now and I doubt they'll ever swing back
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to the right.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Will they win?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: When they will when they can't get a house or
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: any electricity. Never underestimate Labour's ability to lose the next election. Yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: we'll see how bad things get. And strong people don't
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: with others down, they lift them up.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Kudos to Prime Minister Anthony Albertezy.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: He spent the whole election campaign along with these advertising
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: mates tearing down Peter Dutton. That's the opposite of the
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: truth that particular comment. Thanks for joining me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin.