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Patriots Unfiltered 7/23: Day 1 of Patriots Training Camp · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: The Worlds Original podcast. This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented by
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots training Camp twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fred Kirsch, joined by Paul Perillo, Evan Lazar, Mike Dussault,
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  Speaker 1: and we are gonna be here with you for the
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  Speaker 1: first day of public training camp.
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  Speaker 2: We are excited. The weather is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: We're high above the practice fields here at Gillette Stadium
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring you everything we can uh from
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  Speaker 1: practice today. Join us after practice as well. Duce and
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  Speaker 1: Paul and Evan will have wrap ups. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: big day for the Patriots and for Patriots fans as
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  Speaker 1: we kick off training camp. And guys, let's jump right
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  Speaker 1: into it. What are you most excited about.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just excited that football's back, and you know we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a slow build to real football, but it's
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  Speaker 3: always a fun feeling here, first day of school, everybody back,
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  Speaker 3: seeing the media down there from Vrabel again a few minutes,
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  Speaker 3: but just to get going, I think that's the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 3: And as I said on Patriots unfiltered yesterday. Once we
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  Speaker 3: get through this day with that car, let's get the pads.
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  Speaker 3: Then we want to get to the preseason. Say, but
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  Speaker 3: we're starting the train rolling, So I think it's it's
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  Speaker 3: always exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there is an energy, right So this has
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  Speaker 4: been around the team, I think the entire offseason since
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  Speaker 4: Rabel was announced as the new head coach. I think
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  Speaker 4: there's been a renewed energy and enthusiasm and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be easy. What am I excited about Drake May?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You know, the quarterback is to me, the marquee guy
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  Speaker 4: on any team, and the Patriots have a young and
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  Speaker 4: talented one. I want to see what it.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like in you tube.
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  Speaker 5: There's a little bit of extra juice driving into the
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  Speaker 5: building today. You did feel it a little bit in
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  Speaker 5: the car.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty seventh training camp for me, and I'm feeling it.
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  Speaker 5: I feel the song that you were ping on the
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  Speaker 5: radio I did Crazy Train. Yeah, so it was. You
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  Speaker 5: do feel a little bit of that extra juice. But
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  Speaker 5: I think overall kind of in the same lines of Deuce.
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  Speaker 5: It's just there's so much optimism right now with this team.
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  Speaker 5: It really feels like the coaching's better, the roster's better.
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  Speaker 5: Drake May is obviously exciting as well. So let's see it.
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  Speaker 5: Let's all let's start to put this thing together and see,
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  Speaker 5: you know, where they can go from here.
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  Speaker 3: Just not to oversimplify it, but I mean this year,
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  Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs, Milton Williams two names that you're going to
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  Speaker 3: see come out here that are you know, legit, blue
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  Speaker 3: chip proven players in this league, something they haven't had
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  Speaker 3: enough of the last few years. I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 3: those guys, new faces out there hopefully can elevate both
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  Speaker 3: sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm excited about everything you guys just mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: and just the fact that we got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Christmas presents and we haven't been able to open them yet.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we saw some glimpses of them, but now
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're really gonna see the stuff that we
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  Speaker 1: got in the off season. You know, throughout training camp
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the joint practices. That'll be a big day. So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's exciting to see what.
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  Speaker 2: Do we got.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've opened them, we just can't play with them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I know what it is. I just I can't wait
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  Speaker 3: to see it. Play this new step on things, doll,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be exciting. So it's no some some you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think the other thing is the team is generally
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  Speaker 3: healthy too. It's a good sign the pup list coming
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  Speaker 3: out for Abel saying that, you know, expecting Jelani Tavai
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  Speaker 3: to be back out there, Carlton Davis, a couple guys
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  Speaker 3: that popped up on those lists last week. So encouraging
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  Speaker 3: health to start camp. Of course, that's a baseline for
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  Speaker 3: every NFL team right now. Guys get hurt, how do
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  Speaker 3: you deal with it? How do you overcome those injuries?
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  Speaker 4: You might get to rub elbows what everyone's are.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, private charter, does that mean the.
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  Speaker 1: Probably New Orleans is a great place to go visit
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  Speaker 1: in good place to go see a football game too,
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  Speaker 1: So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: So that.
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  Speaker 5: Was the one I had circle that in Tampa were
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  Speaker 5: the two ones that I'm most excited about the seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I hear dogs barking. The Patriots are doing a
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  Speaker 1: dog adoption event today so people can come and adopt
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  Speaker 1: puppies that are being brought onto the field.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see that in a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Players are going to be bringing up actually bringing the
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  Speaker 1: dogs up to the field. So you see that, you
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  Speaker 1: see fans starting to fill for the bleachers. Slow arrival today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like it's a I don't mean practice.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's it's started for a while.
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  Speaker 4: So we're starting. We should let everybody know we're starting
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  Speaker 4: a little earlier than we normally would because of the
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  Speaker 4: event that you were talking about. You know, the dogs
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  Speaker 4: are going to be coming out, I think with some
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  Speaker 4: of the players and whatnot. But Mike Brabel's press conference
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  Speaker 4: is going to be in about ten minutes and we
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  Speaker 4: will go to that one, which is a little earlier
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  Speaker 4: than it normally would be forty five minutes before the
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  Speaker 4: schedule start of practice, So we'll have Mike at nine thirty.
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  Speaker 4: We'll go to him live, so we will be a
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  Speaker 4: little bit and I think it is not necessarily a
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  Speaker 4: late arriving crowd for I.
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  Speaker 2: Just think it's still a little early.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think this is you guys talked about
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  Speaker 4: the weather. I think this is ideal for opening day.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what I'm hoping for is that the players
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  Speaker 3: coming up aren't carrying the dogs, but they also got
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  Speaker 3: that dog in them. Paul, you know that's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a good sign for the team this year. My simplements, Mike.
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  Speaker 4: That's why Evan and I are honored to be part
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  Speaker 4: of your post practice podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see about that. We'll see about that, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: You're you're on your shaky ground right.
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  Speaker 4: Well Fred said it, so now it's out there.
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  Speaker 1: Well used to say about players, you say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if they don't bite when they're puppies, they won't bite
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  Speaker 1: when they're dogs.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to see a lot of the start.
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  Speaker 2: You know, who's looking good, right? Looking?
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  Speaker 4: Not a bad one right?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Williams carrying a dog up that's just biting everybody.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, this is a good sign. It's a good sign.
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  Speaker 4: By Tony Tony Gator speaking of like training camp legends,
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  Speaker 4: Tony Gator, he's like a train He's like a chained
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  Speaker 4: up dog.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: You let him do some I'm just gonna wild.
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  Speaker 1: He came and went so many times on and off
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  Speaker 1: the roster of that summer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he must have gotten cut at least ten ten times.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, like a year and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I got I gotta put you guys on the spot.
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  Speaker 3: How many training camps is this for? The infamous tandem
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  Speaker 3: of Kerse and Perilla. I mean, you guys, seventy seven
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  Speaker 3: to seven together.
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  Speaker 2: Is thirty or thirty one for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the days of Brian Oh, those were
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  Speaker 1: the days that that was when training camp really was
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  Speaker 1: training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to your lemonade. I know you that was your
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  Speaker 3: deb lemonade, right right, that fancy lemonade in college.
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  Speaker 1: But those were, you know, the two a days, those
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  Speaker 1: really tough practices for the players.
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  Speaker 3: Would what would you guys do covering those games where
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  Speaker 3: you have a double session, So would you cover the
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  Speaker 3: morning session, hang out, have lunch, maybe write something off
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  Speaker 3: the morning session, then watch the afternoon session, write something
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  Speaker 3: like that, you know, because there.
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  Speaker 4: Was on internet where I actually stayed at Brian College
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  Speaker 4: really the doms really oh yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, up on the punk fence.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was a long day. It was it
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  Speaker 2: was hot, Yeah, it was hot.
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  Speaker 1: You do the morning uh, and then you'd have lunch,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we go back then we could eat with
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  Speaker 1: the players, so we were in the cafeteria at Brian College.
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  Speaker 5: I never got to the players that had already changed
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  Speaker 5: by the time.
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  Speaker 2: Really uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then you'd come out in the afternoon. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were doing the newspaper back then, right, so we
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  Speaker 1: had various people who would work for us in the
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  Speaker 1: summer and sit out on the field and sell subscriptions
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  Speaker 1: to people.
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  Speaker 2: One of them was Mars Gasper.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, who later went on to the Boston Globe.
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  Speaker 4: But I know, you guys laugh at me when I
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  Speaker 4: called Fred the kingmaker.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I remember Chris, would you know?
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  Speaker 1: He'd trudge out to the practice field with his little
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  Speaker 1: cash box and his in his you know, papers, subscription
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  Speaker 1: pad and people would come up and he'd fill it
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  Speaker 1: out and sell.
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  Speaker 2: Them subscriptions to the newspaper right there on the field.
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  Speaker 3: That's how you got to start. I didn't know that
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  Speaker 3: was another one. Well you said it, Paul, he's a kingmaker.
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  Speaker 3: Gasper was in that list as well. But ye's totally different.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like you watched the morning practice
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  Speaker 3: put a blog post up about it. You're building a newspaper,
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  Speaker 3: so I imagine it's a little more measured about what you're
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  Speaker 3: choosing to write about from practice.
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  Speaker 4: It is absolutely you know, most of it. We get
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  Speaker 4: to tour the newspaper and when we would put updates
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  Speaker 4: up on the on the website. But the website was
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  Speaker 4: nothing college. It was the scope of what we right
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  Speaker 4: now is y my years, Like it was.
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  Speaker 2: So bare bones back then.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you were lucky to have the roster up
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  Speaker 1: on the internet back then, you know, so, like Paul said,
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  Speaker 1: the focus, our main attention was the newspaper.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean no podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean you weren't really doing a TV I
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  Speaker 3: mean maybe you had a TV show or somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, we had We've always had the TV show.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety seven, we were the first really company in the
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  Speaker 1: world to have a nightly made for the Internet show.
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  Speaker 2: It was called Patriot Cyber Sideline.
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  Speaker 4: And we did that every day of training Camp. That
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  Speaker 4: was basically the Training Camp podcast of its time, only
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  Speaker 4: it was a video show and it was new.
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  Speaker 2: It was a news show basically, you know.
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  Speaker 4: We would have a host and Brian Morey and I
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  Speaker 4: would alternate having to do a story. We'd be like Dan.
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  Speaker 2: Roach, Caroline Jones.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Caroline Jones. She was the host, and and we
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  Speaker 4: would you know, like Paul Parrello, Patriots Cyber Sideline.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Cyber Sideline.
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  Speaker 5: It was bad.
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  Speaker 4: It was I was not that wasn't I was. I
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  Speaker 4: was not Dan Roach, but Dan Roach.
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  Speaker 2: People were watching.
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  Speaker 1: They were using dial up modems and and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not you connected was.
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  Speaker 2: Always a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: But we did that every night, and like I said,
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  Speaker 1: no one had done that before.
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  Speaker 2: When had done that before?
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  Speaker 6: And now here we are.
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  Speaker 4: So Mike Greese had done it, you know before me? Again, Kingmaker,
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  Speaker 4: Mike Grease was was me before me? And uh he
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  Speaker 4: had We're going to start with two words. Salary cat
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  Speaker 4: you know, funny explained the whole sund.
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  Speaker 2: When when we were thinking of doing this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sounds exciting, you know, how do you How
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  Speaker 1: do you do live video on the internet because people
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  Speaker 1: were doing audio but not really video. So I called
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  Speaker 1: this company in Dallas called audio Net, and guy picked
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  Speaker 1: up the phone Mark Cuban and iplained to what we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do. He's like, well, we can do audio. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: We're already doing live audio. We want to do live videos. Like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're not there yet. I'm like, okay, Finally I found
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  Speaker 1: this company by Mit and they helped us do it.
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  Speaker 3: Mark Cuban missed out on another billion if he had
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  Speaker 3: just listened to Kurt back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: He tried to make another can to try.
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  Speaker 6: Mark Cuban's like, I got.
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  Speaker 1: This, Yeah, so that that's a funny story from back
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, that's crazy, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever heard that story.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I later found out from somebody high up here
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  Speaker 1: that he wanted to hire me and they wouldn't let him.
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  Speaker 6: Talk about well innovator he could tell.
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  Speaker 2: You, Yeah, I could have been like part owner of
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  Speaker 2: the team.
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  Speaker 3: I'm out he wouldn't have traded Luke.
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't think I would have kept on held
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  Speaker 5: on to him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So we talked about you know what
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  Speaker 1: we're excited about. What's the what's the thing I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say worried concern, but what's the thing that's
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  Speaker 1: right now the biggest mystery to you, the thing that
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  Speaker 1: the biggest unknown.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a lot of them. I just
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  Speaker 3: how big of the of a step is Drake gonna take?
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  Speaker 3: I always start with Drake. That's what we do. The
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  Speaker 3: quarterback is such an important position. Can you clean up
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  Speaker 3: the turnovers? I think that's really where it has to start.
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  Speaker 3: But I could also throw in the tackle positions. And
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  Speaker 3: you feel good about what you've seen from Morgan Moses
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  Speaker 3: what he said he's had a consistent career. Will Campbell
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  Speaker 3: very highly touted prospect. We know, you know some of
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  Speaker 3: the concerns with him with length, But can those two
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  Speaker 3: guys solidify these pauses?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we know that in training camp, which we really
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  Speaker 1: have to wait until things are real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think he always had to wait
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. But I think he'll have a sense,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if he's sticking out there. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: mean the extreme cases. Uh oh, they're rotating somebody else
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  Speaker 3: in right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think he'll know if he's not doing right,
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  Speaker 1: but if he and we'll get a sense if he
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  Speaker 1: is doing well.
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  Speaker 2: But we really won't know until the rush is live.
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  Speaker 6: And joint practices being It will be a little practicing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: People might overblow some of the one on ones. That's
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  Speaker 3: something you know, Oh he lost the one on one.
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  Speaker 3: I try not to overact to some of those. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think you'll have a sense of it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like anything. I mean, the running game is
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  Speaker 3: probably the biggest mystery. I would say early in camp,
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  Speaker 3: you just you have.
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  Speaker 2: No idea every run looks like for a touchdown, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Know today is a first and second down day. There'll
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  Speaker 3: be a lot of first and second down stuff, so
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  Speaker 3: there'll probably be a lot of runs off screen passes
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: So, uh, you know that's slow ramp up. That's that's
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  Speaker 6: the thing today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're new to this.
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  Speaker 1: By NFL rules the collective Bargaining Agreement, they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be in pads today.
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  Speaker 2: They won't be in pads until Monday. So it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like a walkthrough and actually the the light
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  Speaker 1: the practice ramps up. So today today is the shortest
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  Speaker 1: practice we'll see by rule. But right now I'm being
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  Speaker 1: told that Mike Rabel is approaching the podium, so we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go to him.
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  Speaker 2: Is he? Are we ready to do that?
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  Speaker 4: So he's walking, he has that, he has a dog
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  Speaker 4: in his hand, he's got a little bit, he's got
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  Speaker 4: a waste to go. But like, why yeah, is that?
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  Speaker 4: Is that?
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  Speaker 5: Why that?
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  Speaker 3: Personally?
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  Speaker 4: That the one that got some some airtime today? I
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  Speaker 4: start in the local news this morning, I saw our
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  Speaker 4: own Steph Burnham getting some some primetime airtime.
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  Speaker 2: Get right now with the dog the dog has I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be on her.
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  Speaker 4: She's trying to steal our jobs. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so we'll listen to see what Mike hast
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  Speaker 4: to say.
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  Speaker 5: Knew it, knew it was Wyatt tell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Uh, can you open the sound where.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: Because that's.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: They're having issues that all right, I guess we have
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: some audio issues right now. But you can see, Mike,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: you just can't hear.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: It's one of those back to back press conference days
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: where I feel like you kind of laid everything out yesterday,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: set the stage for camp, and now it's.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So anything changed in the last twelve hours since we
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: last talked to you, Mike?
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: I agree, Mike. I thought, you know, the injury news
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: was relevant yesterday. You know, obviously Digs got most of
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: the attention, but there were other you know, Carlton Davis
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: being ready to go today to start camp after starting
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: on n F I so some of that stuff, Terrelle
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: William's returning. I think those are kinds of the things. What, Yeah,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: what would have changed between you know, eleven o'clock yesterday
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: at nine o'clock today, Probably when he screwed ub me
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: out a whole lot? He mentioned that everybody was expected
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: to be here, so I'm expecting to see, you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: the whole eighty nine play or eighty eight players.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: I guess today have ninety one actually.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Right, but there's three guys on list, so I'm expected
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: to see everybody.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Else corrected us yesterday about ninety one ninety.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't. I'm not trying to get called out
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: the way others in the media.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: Day and when that could put viral to it's great,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: it's all over social media.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: It's just the beginning of it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I was. I was talking to my dad this morning
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and he's we always talked Patriots. He's like, oh, I'm excited,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: you know, season gets going.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna talkbout it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like going to tell you that so far Rabel
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: spend worth the price of admission just to listening to
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: him talk through the off season, in his press conferences.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: Watching him in practices.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: It's just it feels like he never left in some ways,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: and I'll try to block out those years he was
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: in Tennessee because I didn't enjoy that.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: But uh, but I picked him every.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Week I did.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: That was more of a Derrek Henry thing, though maybe
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: iru Derek Henry made quite the impact on me in
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: my first joint practice. But but yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I mean Dix.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: You know that was another thing he said yesterday. Diggs's
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: is a you know testament aw already has worked. We'll
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: see how active he is here today as well as
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: you know Tobay, what does he look like? He got
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: hurt during during camp OTAs so is he you know
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: full go so.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: To You know, a guy like that, you think there
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: was maybe a little urgency for him. I think I
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: gotta I gotta get back.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I gotta be ready to go.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I can't give them any week because he's seen, you
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: know with a lot of the other sort of Bill
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Slash Mayo holdovers.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Went yeah, yeah, you.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Know, the Juwan Bentleys and the David Andrews and kind.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that's in Jilani Toba's favor, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: let's point out he's the leading tackler last year got
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: kind of put into a bat spot when when Jawan
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Bentley went out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: So not ideal.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: But of all the lineback, he's very versatile and you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I know, I don't know if that exactly fits like
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: what Rabel wants.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: I think they called it, what is it the reducer?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: What is it? Adjuster?
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Thank you, you're welcome.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: You know, the ability to shift from inside off the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: ball to on the edge. So he has that versatility
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: that I think, you know, maybe could help him a
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: little bit. You saw him play.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Inside last year. Maybe not the best spot for him.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: But I compare him to someone like Anthony Jennings, who
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: good solid, stand up, you know, edge setting outside linebacker.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But they tried to play him as a rookie inside
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: didn't go so well. They got away from that as
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: his career progressed and you saw that. You know, he
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: has a certain set of skills that apply to the NFL,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and you know, it's hard to say, maybe he doesn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: fit exactly what we do, but the guy can play,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and he's a tough player. You know, he's always in
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: the middle of all the whenever there's a skirmish, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Anthony Jennings is sticking his nose right in the middle
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: of it. So I just love the attitude that he
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: plays with in the toughness. So we'll see here in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the next you know, a couple of weeks how those
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: guys fit into.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: This skill, you know, sticking on the line backers subject.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Bentley going down and that was a big
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: loss that that really threw everything into disarray when it
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: came to the linebackers because they really didn't have a replacement,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: a true replacement for him.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: So, Fred, you asked about ten minutes ago some of
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the things that you're concerned about most or you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: unsure about. I guess how you how you phrased it,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: And and my answer to that is always about depth.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: And that's an area specifically. Robert Splaine to me, is
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: one of one.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would worry if they lost at his
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: audio Now.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I guess not, well, I can't hear it, so all right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: So so back back to the linebackers.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean I would here
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: we go.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: That's presentation, which is critical. And the one thing that
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: you know I tried to reference to our football team
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: was like I went to attendant at doctor's dinner for
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: every doctor and nurse and every person that would come
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: in contact with our football team through the course of
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: the year.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: And we're extremely lucky to be where we're at to
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: get that kind of care. We can get our MRIs,
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: we can get a lot of our lab work right
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: here at Patriot Place.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: And the one thing that Jim Whale and our trainer
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: told us told me at that dinner because I was like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: there's a lot. I wouldn't expect them there to be
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: this many people, and he said that there is one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: We have one specialist per every three players, and whether
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: that's an orthopedic or whether that's a cardiologist, that is somebody,
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: a neurologist, anybody that would have to be in contact
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: with our players. We have a large group and we're
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: thankful they take care of us here at Patriot Place
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: at Brigham in Women's to be able to get in
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: an MRI and get back and be efficient so the
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: players can back and meetings, all these different things, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: the concussion, making sure that that presentation is presented.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: So there's an extensive medical.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: Equipment, you know, wearing the proper equipment and understanding what
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: that is about some of these young guys and their feet.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: We covered a hotel, we covered security, we covered media
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: there for you guys. There's an immediate presentation that there's
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: a film that the league puts out. Uh and so
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: Stacey and I talked to them about that and you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: so there's a long checklist.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You have to have a medical.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Job, Jim's experience and your own experience relationship with him
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: as long as he's been.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: How valuable is that?
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Well, Uh, you know, the trainer I worked with in
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: Tennessee was was a mentor for Jim as well, so
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: Todd Torris Selly, Jim had worked with him. So when
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: I left here, we still all stayed in contact because
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: I was working with Todd and Tennessee and Todd talked
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: to Jim a lot.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: But there is a lot of comfort there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of experience on Jim's part, and so
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: we're just trying to give the players the best care
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: that we can as quickly as we can, and to
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: give each guy what they need.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: So that's been that's been good.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: And again we we always talk about these Some of
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: these injuries are going to be unavoidable. It's just how
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: we work from them and how we come back from
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: them is what's most important.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: Like that's a moment in the video that the team
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: produced the Fortune of Foxborough show. I guess you'd call
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: it where the team is sort.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Of in between me, what did you call?
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: What is it? A docus?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: That's probably a more apt for it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: And I'm the media guy, So a nice job by you.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: The offensive sort of in between plays and you say
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: something to Drake like, hey, you've got a minute here,
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: talk to your guys. Why is that important to you?
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: How how naturally does that come to Drake to do
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: things like that? And you know how much of a
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: focus will that be for you as head coach to
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: kind of draw that out of it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: My job is to figure out what we need and
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: what each player needs and do everything that I can
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: to help them physically or mentally or emotionally, and I
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: try to recreate these practices the same way the game is.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: The offense goes over there, we have a drive, the
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: last one play, three plays, eight plays, twelve plays, it
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: ends in six points, seven three points, whatever it ends in,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: or a punt, and you go over there and you
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: have to talk to the coordinator. You're gonna talk to Josh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: but then the quarterback is gonna have to go up
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: and down and make sure, Hey, we just had this
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: happen on this last play.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: If we get it again, this is all this defense
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: for the first time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Things because it's always going to mean more coming from
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: the guy that's out there leading, and that's all. That
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: situation was no different than defensively, you're gonna go over there,
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: the linebackers and safeties are going to talk say hey,
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: we're gonna make this check or they're in this formation.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna have to make sure that we
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: adjust to it quickly. Or if we get the same,
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: chances are if they had success with it, we're gonna.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: See it again.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Milton Williams told us a story about you pushing him
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and a conditioning drill. How has he responded to that
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: and what have you seen from him from a leadership
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: and conditioning Stampin.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Early on that was something that was important to Milk
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: was that he wanted to lead.
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: And there had been zero pushback. He is fun to coach.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: He's very mature, and so there's zero reservation about his
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: leadership ability. He's here a lot. He's here all the time.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: He shows up early, gets plenty of work in, takes
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: care of his body. He's a true pro.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: What would make a successful training camp for your team
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: at the end of.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: The summer, Well, if we can remember what the objectives
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: of training camp were, which were do you remember.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Said, no, that was yesterday?
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Build a team? Remember Mike.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Earn a role.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Remember the last one, prepare to win. You guys are
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: on fire today. We're off to a great start. So
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: if we can do those things, there's a reason I
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: try to do this. I don't claim to be the
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: smartest person. So if I can just try to find
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: some things that I think are important for the team
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: and the individual and then kind of coming back to
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: the team.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: So if it looks like we build.
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: A team and there's some cohesion and guys are enjoying
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: being around each other, are they competing, are they taking.
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: Care of each other?
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: And then are guys starting to figure out, hey, this
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: is gonna be my role. I'm going to go try
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: to dominate that on whatever that may be. And then ultimately,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: are we understanding these situations and can we try to
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: win a football game so that that's what would be successful.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: What do you look for in the leadership, Like what
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: do you want from your leaders but also your captains?
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: And well, I mean I think that every I hope
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: player and coach can be an extension of the message
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: that I have created and try to, you know, get
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: that across in their own words and stay consistent to it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: That's why we don't have a ton of stuff that
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: we try to talk about. We try to stay very
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: consistent and allow that to kind of branch off and
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: don't tell them what to say, but allow them to
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: have some some parameters and things that we're working for.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: So we just hope that everybody carries that message over
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: here as they work to lead their unit or another position.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Thank you, all right?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: That was Mike Rabel again apologize for the early audio issues.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: But you got the gist of it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well it's we hear stories about Mike Crabel
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: liking to put players on their toes, asking them questions
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: off the top, and I think we just sat with
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the media too, so I think we have to be
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: on our toes as well.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because like Paul and I have
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: been here for a long time. This is my thirty
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of thirty first training camp. Paul has been here for
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: twenty seven of them, and throughout that time, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: even though Bill Belichick was here for a long time.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: We've seen different styles of coaches handling the media, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it's very clear that Mike Rabel's got his own style.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You know, he likes to engage, he likes to prad
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: he likes to poke fun and he's kind of treating
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the media, at least right now a little bit like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: he does players. Like we heard from players that in
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: meetings he challenges them, he asks some questions, you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: do you remember?
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Do you do?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You know the answer?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And he's doing the same thing with the media here.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But you know, between Parcels, Pete Carroll, Bill Drod and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: now Rabel, each of them have their own really distinct
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: styles and how they handle this.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, printant schoolers talked a little bit about that, where
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: he's like, you're not afraid of him, but you know
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: that he means business and.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Be on your P and Q to be on top.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Of you maybe a little bit, and you got to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: be ready. And that's the idea is he wants guys
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: prepared and be ready.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I mean the Buttom line for me though, was that
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: it's funny, like it's just I enjoy listening to him.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: The press conferences can be dry, they can be you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: same questions, you know what's going to come, but he
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: seems to be thoughtful about his answers. They don't feel
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: like prepackaged and if you ask a dumb question or
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: you're not on your toes. He's you better be ready because.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: He might call you out.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You see Robert Kraft down there with the puppies and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: his wife Dana uh. And then you see the people
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in the background who have adopted dogs. They're receiving their
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: dogs now, so that's pretty cool. Who doesn't love a puppy?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Paul, I thought we were going to put a moratorium
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: one day?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Are we doing that all right? Well?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: As a new dog dad myself in March, I have
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to say we've we've enjoyed our little zoop guy, even
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: though we still can't figure him out. Last night, barking,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: barking like crazy. Every time my dad stands up, sits down, cuddle,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: loves just no problem. Dogs chilling my dad the second
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: my dad stands up.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you, Mike, every time you talk about your
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: new dog ownership.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: It really makes you want to go out and change
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: that way.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You're not selling it very well.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: We got to get some training, all right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Let's let's help Paul out. What's the perfect breed of
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: dog for Paul?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: God, like, it's got to be something like a labb
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: or Golden Now does low energy and easy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Labs are high energy?
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: No lab labs like the loafer around like you gotta
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Paul is not You're not going to want to give
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Paul a dog that stubborn or you know how it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: hard headed because he needs like a beginner dogs battle
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: he'll win.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I mean labs are the friendliest stuff.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: They're so easy.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you need a beginner dog for Pollie. You can't
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: you can't throw him like yeah, you throw him a
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: ridge back and he's you know, we're going to be
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: in trouble.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So if there's a what about a retriever, because then
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: he could get the diet pepsis, the you know, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: butt lights.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought of it that way.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I think we could all all get together on a
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: dog that might fetch us like a Jersey Mics perhaps,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like go go.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Now, run down, run down Route one, go go ahead, and.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Boys like Alex from Strokes, Alex two Cold Strokes.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: I just want Alice to help me, like with the
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: groceries and stuff. It's one hundred pounds, so it's like
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: can't like you're strong as hell. Can you help you
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: get a little wagon?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Like if I tie the wagon to you, you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: get a wagon with a rope and you pull the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: wagon like a.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Dog, you know, put your brunt stuff on and get
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: hook them up to like what do you have like
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: a or something in the backyard and.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: You're just planting a field.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: I could see just face now you'd be like, what
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: are you doing to my dog?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So prediction to night's news, what gets more airtime? Dogs
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: are Drake made dogs?
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: I think you got to leave with the dogs.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: But if Drake throws, you know, a nice pass. Those
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: those always are a highlight of camp practice. You know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: one which I'm sure our wonderful video content you know
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: team will capture they're on top of all those plays,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: but uh, those are always the the you know, they
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: were like a moment, you know, we have one a
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: little bit. I guess it was more Gonzales probably in
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that in that mini camp where he had that that
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: one handed pass. But there's always a little play that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you come out talking about what does it
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: mean in the grand you know, the grand scheme of
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the season. Maybe not much, but it's still those little
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: plays that that build your excitement, make you think they're
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: going to make some big plays in the games.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Mike Rabel interacting with the pups. Robert Kraft taking pictures.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That's Kendrick Bourne. Marcus Willis was born in Marcus.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know how many dogs that you have
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: here today?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I think there were a fleet of dogs. I think
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: there were twenty twenty. I think that was the number
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: of stuff this morning.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Well, yep, I was told to bring one home and
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I so, yeah, one a friend. This is what I
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: get once a week.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That's the famous heisman in Missus Kraft's arm.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard about him now about I think come
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: up with heisman? Just I mean it's college football. R.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: That's a good for a dog. I know.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great name for a dog. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: just didn't know if there was. They got him from
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: somebody who won a Heisman maybe or something.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know that it is him or her. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: met them in the admin level.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Don't know the dog's pronounce It.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Was running around and I'm just like, you know, a
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: dog person. So the next thing I know, there's Missus
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Craft standing right in front of me.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You can't help it. Well, the guys are jogging out here.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: I did see uh little notable Harold Landry appeared to
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: be the first player off the first guy I noticed.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was the first. That's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: guy at this sign in all seriousness to to kind
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: of set the tone and circle the wagons for Mike Brabel.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Certainly a Rabel guy going back to Tennessee. So I
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: don't think it's a total coincidence that he was made
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: it a point to be one of the first guys
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: out here, and I think he's one of those guys
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: that they signed for that purpose.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you about him, Evan, because I
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: found myself just thinking about him a little bit as
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: we are wont to do you and I know sometimes
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: we're lying in bed pondering the Patriots roster where.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: That means where it's like thinking about other girls, and it's.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Like football Lady was great under Rabel in Tennessee. Really,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you know, blossom there last year he still had nine sacks.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Tennessee releases him, Like where is he right now? I mean,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: do you feel like we're getting a player who is
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: still geographically in Foxboro but in his career. Is he
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: still you know, at the peak of it, or do
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you feel like you're kind of catching him as he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: starting to kind of Plateau down on the backside.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's a good question to ask. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: feel like he still has production in him, but I
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: never really felt like he was one of these you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: quote unquote elite pass rushers. You know, it's a couple
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: of guys that got forty plus million in this offseason
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett T. J.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Watt.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think that before the injury he was tracking
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to something like that. Yeah, But I do think he's
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: a solid player, probably more than just a pass rusher,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: more of it, for sure, more of an every down
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: you know, he'll play, stick his nose against the run
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: and set the edge and do those kinds of you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: the dirty that you need to do. I think he's
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: more well rounded, but I wouldn't necessarily expect him to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: go and you know, put up twenty sacks.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think there's anyone on this team
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: capable of that. But I think if everything comes together
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: on that front seven, I think as a committee, I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: think they're going to be productive and I think they're
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: going to be disruptive, and I think that's the style
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that they want to play.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I think we're.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Away from the big space eaters in the middle who
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: are really just there to clod things up and free
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: up people behind them. And now we're in a phase
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of defense. It's kind of new to us where everyone is.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Trying to get up field, and.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I, like I said, if everything works out, I think
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: by committee they'll be productive.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: When in that sack department.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they might be high up there in like pressure
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: rates and win rates, but not necessarily high up there
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: in sacks, is the way I look at it. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Landry and Paul used were well rounded, and that that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the best word that I could come up with for
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: him too, because he's a really good run defender. He's
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: one of the better run defenders at his position. But
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: the big question is was last year a sign that
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: things were going down for him as a pass rusher
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: in his career or was it the scheme change that
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: he underwent with the coaching change in Tennessee. So can
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: we get the Harold Andry pass rusher from two years
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: ago with Mike Rabel and Trell Williams versus the guy
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: that played in Tennessee last year? If he can be
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: the guy that he was in twenty three, twenty two,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: twenty one with Rabel and that staff down there. Then
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: that's a really productive all around player and guy that
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: that can play eighty eighty five percent of the snaps
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: and be a true starter on the defensive line. So
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see was it a schematic change.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Was it that he's you know, maybe lost half a
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: step as a pass rusher? I guess we'll find out.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: But further remove from the injury too, so you could
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: get maybe a you know, a half a step back. Yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: you know, you often see that, you know, a full year,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: you know, after the season, after the injury is when.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: And even if he's just cleaning up, but you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Milton Williams and Christian Barmore and Keon White are they're
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: the ones that are moving the quarterback off his spot
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: and pressuring the quarterback. Initially, harab Lander could be a
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: double digit sack guy just by cleaning up, that's right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: just getting the quarterback on the ground for those guys.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: So I would expect a lot of that to him,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: kind of mirroring the quarterback, staying level, you know, keeping
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: him in the pocket and letting those guys be the
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: ones that kind of push him to him and not
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: necessarily someone off the edge. He has to cheat the
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: guy be to tackle.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think key On White's role is on
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: this type of defense because he was never even in college,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: he's not a sack guy.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not really fascinating to say they use what
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: do you think how.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Would you use You know, you're the savant, how would
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you how would you use key On White? Assuming we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: correct and how we think they're going to scheme this defense,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: how does he fit into that scheme?
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Well, he's been one of the most versatile players in
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the league an alignment standpoint, you know, moving inside and outside.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: He's up there with all of the you know in
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: those metrics in terms of versatility. So ideally he carves
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: out a role as an early down edge setter and
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: then when it comes to third down or obvious pass situations,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: they can move him inside to over the guard and
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: over the center and let him rush on the inside,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: which is really where he's at his best. But in
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: order to be every down player, I think he's going
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: to have to develop as a defensive end and really
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: play over the tackle or outside the tackle on early downs.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're going to put him in the
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: a ORB gap on first down and expect him to
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: hold up against the run. I just don't see that
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: being a great role for him. So he's a tweener.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: He's going to move inside, you know, on passing situations,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: play outside in obvious you know, early down situations. But
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: can they get that early down edge setting presence out
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: of him? Can he be more consistent than that? Can
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: he beat tackles in the pass rush? Can he set
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: the edge? Can he keep the quarterback in the pocket?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Those are the things that they're going to have to
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: work on with him. But I love that question. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: would love to ask Terrell Williams now that he's here,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: you know what he sees and what his vision is
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: for him, because that's the type of player that's a
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: ball of clay that you can imagine Rabel and Terrell
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Williams getting in the lab with Keon White and ironing
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: out his game.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: So early downs you think edge setter, yeah, later downs,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: passing downs? Is he the guy that makes the player
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the facilitator?
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Probably the facilitator, you know. I think that that him
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: and Milton Williams are probably more that than they are
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: true sack guys. They're disruptors they're they're gonna you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: wreck the play and then you hope that a Landry,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: a bar More, a you know, maybe one of these
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: younger edge rusher's peaks, you know, Brandon Swinson or something
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: like that. Those guys can come in and be the
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: guys that get the cornerback on the ground.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about the impact that the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Bentley injury had last year. The impact that the bar
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: More illness had was that Keon White was almost like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the guy and that's not his role now, and it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was fair to him, you know, it to be not unfair,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but it was unfortunate that he was thrust into that role.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And I thought, I think we see the results and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you know that the defense just wasn't where it should
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everything Evan said is totally right. And
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: it's those early down you know, early downs where he's
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: playing that it's going to set his ceiling. Like I
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: think he's already an established good interior rusher and you
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: know it's set a hundred times, you know, him against guards.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a mismatch that you you know, want
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to exploit a little bit more crowded now with Milton
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Williams in there and Christian Barmore, two other guys you're
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: going to play inside and you don't want to get
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of snaps for them. But can Keyon White
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: be a consistent force? Like Kevan said, I mean, you
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: talk about Harold Landry the balance in his game, the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: ability to be a great edgsetter but also get nine sacks. It's,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you know, an all around and if Keon White were
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: able to elevate to that, and you know you're looking
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: at Landry and White on early downs and then you
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: can you know, mix in Chase On or potentially Swinson.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: If it starts to click for him, then you've really
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: got something.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: But there are four.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Guys, and they're all interesting, and they all have questions
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: about how they fit. I just think you're hopeful that
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: you're not asking any questions about Harold Landry, that he's
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: going to be, you know, the anchor for that unit.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a gonzo bringing up one of the puppies.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I also got a chance to see Carlton Davis. We
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: haven't seen much of him during the course of the spring,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: and Mike indicated yesterday that he would be out here.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: And he is.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: He was also one of the players that had a
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: dog with him.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Why am I cut that dog in? He definitely does have.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Carl Davis has that dog, and I'm Carl Davis will
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: scrap it. I love that moment in Forgue in Foxborough
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: when Davis and Gonzo were talking and Davis was like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: do you like left left side or right side of
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: the defense? And Gonzo was like, I don't care. I
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: didn't see that. With Christian Zalez right now, his kids
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: communiments is sky high. You know, he's got the Everybody
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: talked about him being a little quieter and a little
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: bit more reserved. That diva corner is starting to come
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: out with Christian Zales and I love.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: It it is.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: He's starting to get a little bit more sure of himself,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. Got to have that as a corner, Yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit more talkative. I heard some quotes today
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: about pressure at his position and just welcoming it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He expects the pressure, he wants the pressure, he likes it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It's everything you want to hear in your number one corner.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can have a team in
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the NFL and not have a cornerback like that. I mean,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: it's just there's just too many good weapons and you
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: have to at least have some confidence that you can
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: match up with the Justin Jeffersons of the world, which,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: of course we'll get to see hopefully some of those
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: matchups and joint practices where you know, one on ones.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much its gonna tell you about
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: either player, like for the season, but just how cool
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: is that to get to watch Christen Gonzalez go against
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: arguably one of the top, you know, three receivers in
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the league, and Justin Jefferson.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: We may not be able to see Terry McLaurin. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: maybe he'll be right, yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that that tandem Davis and and gonz obviously
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: has the potential to be one of the best in
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: the league. And just thinking of.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I'll just look at his swagger right now. It's definitely
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: absolutely I'm the man. He's walking out, I'm the man.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: But yeah, just the flexibility that those two guys can
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: give you from a blitzing standpoint, from a run defense standpoint,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: like when you know you have two guys on the
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: outside that don't need a ton of help because they're
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: really good. Man, coverage corners that you can really get
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: creative of how you're going to bring pressure and things
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: like that. And Week one against the Raiders, they're going
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: to want to feed Ash and Genty the Rocks and
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: now you can get another hat in the box and
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about that because nobody on
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: the outside is going to worry you with those two corners.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: So that's really exciting to talk about, you know, developed
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: getting pressure and generating pressure on the quarterback. Well, if
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: you only have to put five guys in coverage because
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: those two guys are just taking out their assignments and
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: you can bring a lot of pressure.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Forge, Then there was another moment in Forge
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: where it's Davis talking to Drake May and you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Davis had his guy blanketed and May, you know, decided
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: not to throw and it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Was like, come on, you're not gonna give me that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: because he knew he would have probably picked it off
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: if he did.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: But you want that, you want the banter, you want
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the the competition, uh pushing each other off.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That's first defense.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, the flip side of that desire, the Patriots
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: receiver is going to be able to uncover against those
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: guys and practice here.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: You know, when we started to talk about Gonzo against
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, I was thinking Diggs. You know, we saw
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: a little bit and that was one of the very
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: few times I thought last year that Gonzo kind of
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: struggled h you know, at times with Digs in that
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Houston game. So I like to see, if you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: assuming that that Digs is up to speed.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And ready to go.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I know he's playing, but you know, how close to
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent is he I'm gonna have an eye
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: on some of those matchups for sure.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: Where is Digs at physically?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I think his biggest skill is just his
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: rout running ability, and you know it's not necessarily dominant
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: speed or anything like that. It's just he's so smart.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: That game last year against Houston, I thought was just
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: a complete illustration of what we've seen from Stefan Diggs
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: when the Patriots go against him, which is it's third
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: and eight and he throws you know, Josh Allen or
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: you know last year at c J. Stroud throws a
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: pinpoint pass and you know, it's just right there and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Diggs just runs it so perfectly.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: How does that chemistry start to develop.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: So I love Paul's point, but does he have that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: same chemistry with Drake May? As Drake May throwing with
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: anticipation the Diggs, does he understand how he wants the
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: routes run? And you know, if they can get on
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the same page, I think that'll be really exciting.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: If anyone's just catching up to Patriots News today with
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the first day of practice, you mentioned Diggs. He's out there,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: he's full go, He's totally clear to play. And I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: tell you, I'm pleasantly surprised. I did not expect that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I expected him to start in pup. It comes dra
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you know, even looking at him in the spring, you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: one leg was noticeably smaller than the other.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he had full extension.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: What do I know, I'll no doctor, but I do
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: know me me, because I've been through that. So I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: just really pleasant surprised that he's out here.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: We'll go.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: It's so important, I mean, just to get out there
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: right from the get go and to start establishing that chemistry.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: And you know, it's of.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Course we I think we're all anticipating that he might
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: be a p up guy, and you know, it just
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: complicates it how he's not going to really get the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: training camp reps that he was going to jump right
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: into practice during the season, which we all know that's
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: so focused on game planning, and you know, so for
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: him to get out here and really have a chance
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to build that chemistry, be part of the team, really
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: be in the mix right from the get go, I
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: think it was just a huge bonus. And you guys,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I thought he.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Was going to open camp on p up, but then
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: the spring I sort of felt like it was tracking
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: ahead of that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes right now.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not overly surprised to get that dog with him too.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: You know, he's another one, another one with the dogs.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: The dogs getting away from Diggs.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: It's good.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Much like dis separates from cornerbacks, do.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Separate from We need the Benny Hill music.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, Diggs the trees right now taking
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: this dog.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: The dog is all right, he's like on uneven ground
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: over there.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: You see what happens when you inte dogs.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Everybody's fine, everybody's good, everybody's good.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: That was funny.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: I remember talking to you know, Frady would talk about
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: being able to read body language of his receivers and
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: like just knowing as they were approaching the top of
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: the route based off of you know, where they were
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: putting their weight and you know which foot they were
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: planting on and things like that, that you could anticipate
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: where the receiver was going to break ahead of time,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: especially with guys like you know, Edelman, who he threw
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: to all the time. And if the Drake May and
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Stefands can start to get to that level, I just
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: think the comfort that it gives the quarterback to know
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: that he has a receiver of that caliber that's going
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: to get open when he needs him to get open
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: is just takes a lot of weight off the shoulder
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: QB that he's not looking around, not knowing exactly where
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: he's gonna go with the football on a third down
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: or a key situation. You know, Hunter Henry, I think
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: is partially that guy for Drake too, But if Diggs
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: can be that guy along with Henry, then that's just
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: so huge for the mindset of the cornerback.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And what about the trickle down effect of the other
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: receivers too, Guys that are now getting favorable coverage or
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: you know, a guy like Pop Douglas, who look, he's
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: tough to cover man, so he's getting less coverage and
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Digs is pulling some of it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: It's you know, some of these other guys might blossom.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: And you know, from what we've heard from Frable, his
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: expectations very much like Belichick, where the train's not stopping
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: if you miss practice, if you're out with an injury,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you know, that's too bad, but we're not holding up
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the train for anybody.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So you're gonna be behind if you miss practices.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: You know, this summer, it's a thing to keep an
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: eye on with the rookies.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: I do it every year.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Guys that suddenly can't practice and you just get behind
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: that eight ball. And I'm sure you guys can speak
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: to it even better than I can. Of you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: rookies who just got hurt in their first training camp
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and then they just never found a stride in their career.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: It happened.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: So hopefully that rookie class, especially some of the new guys,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: can stay healthy throughout camp and be able to, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: just build that foundation, because it's tough, man, you missed practice,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: It's it's really tough missing a week of camp.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Practice was like missing a month.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: They just they do a lot. There's a lot that's
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: covered and if you miss it, it's it's hard to
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: especially as a young player. Like you said, Jared Wilson,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: another guy that we didn't see a lot of in
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: the spring.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: He's out there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: He's got his uniform as you know, not on.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Any of the lists. So another good sign. Hopefully we'll
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: get to see a full camp from the roof.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: He was who I was going to bring up was
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Jared Wilson because especially as a center, that's a very
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: you know, between the years type of position. So if
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: he's going to push Garrett Bradbury at some point for
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: playing time as a rookie at center, then he's going
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: to this time of year is extremely important for that position,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: you know, quarterback centers like that's that's huge. So I
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: would love to see Jared Wilson out there because you know, Fred,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: you asked, what's the one mystery right now? The interior
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: offensive line is a big question. We'll see what will
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Campbell and Morgan Moses do at tackle, but they're going
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: to be the tackles. Like there's no questions about the
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: left tackle and the right tackle or the right guard
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: for that matter, but left guard and center are two
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: spots that they need to figure out one hundred percent
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: is it going to be Brad Berry? Who is it
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: going to be? Out of all the options they have
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: at left guard. In order to get this going, they
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: got to protect the quarterback. It's got to start there.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: So you you mentioned when you're sorry, Fred, but I
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: just think them when you and Kyle dug are two
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: super interesting players, guys that signed you know, big extensions
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: last year. Dugger banged up clearly last year struggled, but
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: was a little bit of a guy that took a
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: lot of flak for playing through injury, so you got
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: to give him some credit. But still, as we all know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: it matters what you do on the field. And you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: for all the offensive line questions that we've talked about
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: all off season and into last year, but Michael, when
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: you was one of the highest play paid player on
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: your team, you need him to step up and be
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a guy that you can really count on at that
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: right guard position. Talk about the questions in offensive line,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: it's like you'd love to be able to say, well,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: we know we got the right guard locked in and
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: so hopefully he can bounce back have a really good season.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know schematically what Josh is going to do.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe it fits him a little better what he did
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: earlier in his career under Josh, but that's off to watch.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And as we go over the various topics of conversation,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a guy that he's always been kind of a mystery
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: since he's been here, Marty Mapu, Yeah, lineback, what do
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you think his twenty twenty five could look like if
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: things work out?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: If things work out, that's a great question for a.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Third down coverage lineback.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good way.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: It could be a guy that you know, we're talked
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: about Tobay a little bit, had some of that versatility.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: He could take a role like that if something happens
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: to Spellane. You know, I agree with Evan. I like
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: his skill set. Maybe in a third down situation, I
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: think he could betty pretty action way means business.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Mapa is interesting to me because I feel like early
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: on in his career he tried to be a jack
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: of all trades, Like he tried to learn safety, he
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: tried to learn linebacker. At what point he was trying
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: to call the defense and wear the green dot. And
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: he was a young player in the league and an
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: experienced player, so I would love to see them just
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: focus on this is one package that we want you
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: to master. This is one role we want you to master,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: and then maybe we can expand upon it once he
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: masters that one thing. But he, in my opinion, just
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: had his hand in too many pots, like he was
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: trying to take on too much as a young player.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: So maybe it's past, you know, game linebacker, third down linebacker.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: He's kind of a safety body type, so he can
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: play linebacker spots and play those underneath zones and cover
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: running backs and like do that sort of thing that's
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: maybe a little bit too high stress for a true
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: linebacker like a spelane or like a tabai, And maybe
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: that's a role for him. Obviously he's gonna have to
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: play in the kicking game too, if that's his path
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: to the roster. But him switching to linebacker tells me
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: that they have something in mind. But I just hope
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: it's a little bit more honed in and not as
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: broad as what his first company.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I hope it's not just this is the last try
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: to figure out if he can, if he can play
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: at this level, and I mean, I just there's a
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: part of me just wondering does he fit next to
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: splaying consistently? Like is there is that crazy to say
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: a guy who has some size but also can run
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit better maybe than you know, somebody like
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: to buy a kid. So I agree without how Evan
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: laid it out. But interesting guys really smart. I mean
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: last year he jumped in and played like a whole
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: game after missing like a month and a half. He's
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: won though for sure, injuries have killed him in training
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: camp the last two years, and that's put him behind
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the eight ball as much as anything. So stay healthy
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and maybe you have a chance.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Speaking of catching up, Terrell Williams missed pretty much all
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the spring in terms of being here. I know that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: he was staying in contact, you know, via zoom or whatever,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't here, so we have a sense of
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: where he's at in terms of coordinating this defense.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Well clearly has.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel's trust, and I think you know, like you said,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: he was on zoombs and you know they said he's
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: still around the team, He's just not physically around the team.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So you know, I'm hopeful that this provides a team
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: just a little fresh boost as we go into camp.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: I think all the installation stuff and the teaching stuff
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: that happens in ot is in mini camp. It's not
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: the end of the world that your defensive coordinator wasn't here.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Thanks to you know, Zach Kerr, who's another guy who's
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: been movable before and understands the defense, was able to
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: you know, fill in on field stuff. So, uh, I'm
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: excited just to see what's his presence, Like everybody talks about,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: you know, how he makes an impact across the roster
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: and you know, guys really seem to respond to him.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: So what's his energy, Like, how does he fit in
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: out there? Some of the watch today for sure.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got guts a lot of for people around here,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: like Romeo Credell type comparisons, where his motivation and his
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: ability to connect with players is a big part of
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: what makes him a great coach. But I'm interested to
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: see him calling plays because he hasn't really done that before.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: He's gonna call plays. He's going to call the defense
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: this year for the Patriots, and I mean he's had
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: he had a time on his resumes. It's not like
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: he doesn't have the experience to do it, but he
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: hasn't been the primary play caller I don't believe in
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: yet in his h his coaching career. So how does
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: that work? You know, how does he call plays? What's
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: his sort of rhythm to That is going to be
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: something we won't see till the games, and probably not
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: till the regular season, to be honest, But it'll be
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: interesting to see how that all shapes out. Because Raybel
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: wants to be a CEO. I don't think he wants
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: to have to call plays or do any of that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: So even though he's had experience doing it, I think
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: he really wants to pass the buck on that. So
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: we'll see how.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: It's good to go with the camp knowing everybody's role.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember two years ago, maybe it was three,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I forget, but we were, you know, all mini camp
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and training camp was all about who's got the headset
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to talking.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: We had no idea.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, no, that was I mean, and then
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: you're watching some of us thought that might be an
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: issue heading into that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It'll be fine, it'll be fine.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Well you know for me, I mean that was my
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I guess third training camp that I watched beginning to end.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: So you know, every trainy camp you learned something new.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: But after these last few camps, it's now.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: Just jarring to me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: That camp with you know, Matt Patricia trying to be
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator to coach the offensive line. I mean,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: it was just there was just so much going on.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, whatever, twenty twenty two, we're twenty twenty five.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Now we got a whole new team and I don't
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: want to think about it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: We opened up broadcast with the things that we're excited about,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: and we're all talking about the renewed energy, daff and
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: that's where it stems from. It is the coaching staff.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: There was Mike Rabel and then his ability to to
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: bring in some experienced coaches that have done last year.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: How many different guys did we talk about and say,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: it's the first time Mike Deschau has ever been calling plays, Right,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: everyone Lazar has ever been in charge of a position group. Right,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: There's none of that this year. You have a bunch
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: of guys that have been there and done that. There's
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: no first time play callers on offense. Yes, we have
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: the Terrelle Williams situation on defense, but he's been around
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: the defense a lot. He's I think the Romeo Crenell
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: comparison that Evan had I thought was really good. His
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: reputation is a tea. I think his is really strong
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: and a guy that has really impacted a lot of plays.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: And yes, he's never called plays, but he has been
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: in that role before as a defensive and.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Ken White just pretty much said it they didn't have
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of good coaching last year.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I mean he didn't say those exact words, but that's
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: what he meant.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's just interesting to less so about being
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: concerned if he can do it and more about like
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: starting to learn a little bit about his tendencies and
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: like his flavor of defense. You know, is he a
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: pressure guy? Is he a coverage guy?
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Are they going to play a lot of four down fronts?
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: Like everybody anticipates, like what are they going to look like?
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: You know on third down really is the big one
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: in terms of scheme and all that stuff. But it'll
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: be fascinating to see where they take that in that direction.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: But going to move it over to the offense too.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I just every day I get a little bit more
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: excited about seeing what Josh McDaniels has in store for
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Drake May. I just think that that's such a it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: a great pairing, it's a really good hire. It's somebody
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: that we would for In Foxborough. They talked so much
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: about that. Josh is a master of this playbook, like
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: he knows it inside and out, and there's not going
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: to be any uncertainty of how he's teaching Drake and
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: how he's coaching Drake. So I'm excited to see what
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: they do schematically with a quarterback that really everything is
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: on the table. You can do anything you want with
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Drake May. There's nothing that's off limits from a physical standpoint,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: So it'll be cool to have McDaniels in that type
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: of world.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, crowds kind of filling in.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I was a little worried at the beginning because there
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: weren't a lot of people lined up, But now that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: practice is, you know, getting ready to start full swing.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I see the hills filled up, the bleachers are pretty
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: much filled up. You know, people could switch in and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: make more space, but it's.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: A it's a pretty good crowd.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Pretty good crowd.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, look at me, you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you know when Tom Brady was here, it was it
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: was a whole different thing because people came to see him.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: You came to see greatness, uh, particularly in you know
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the later half. Uh you know, so literal people would
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: come and be at the gate floor in the morning
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to you know, have a chance to be in.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: People were though, but that was all Tom Brady.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well Randy Moss too. I'm sure you know the
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Hall of Famers came through.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: But you're totally right.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: And I mean I still think, no matter what team
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: they're rolling out there, that this is just a great
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: take for a family middle of the summer looking for
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: something to do, entertainment for the kids.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: You're right there. I mean it's free.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Just as a parent who spent puppies.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: There's puppies now, I mean you spent a lot of
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: time figuring out what am I do with the kids today?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Come down to Foxborough. It's a it's a great time.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: And now with Joy Practices and Drake May and Stefan
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Diggs and Williams and Christian Barmore and you know, you're
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: starting to build some of those names that are a
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a draw.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dukes came for money, So he sat around thinking
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: what am I going to do with the kids to that?
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at work.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: My wife was at work.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Didn't sit around wondering what we're going to do with kids.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: But Mike just so comes from a different place.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm glad he's allowing us to be just
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: to send him.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: To some summer camp.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's well, that's what we did.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what one of them is this week.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, the three nannies usually do something with
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: you know, and I just getting in my daily massage.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Of course he had money on that side of the
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Take them, take them to the training camp. That will
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: be fun and clap my hands in it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Got some dogs coming up here, now, Polly, just for you.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: What do we got?
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: We do?
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: I think they might have just adopted this.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: We're getting a parallel.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: Oh man, I don't know about that.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: You got shirt?
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: Dad?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Please?
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: What's the worst that could happen to?
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: Dad?
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Right, it's always it's going to be the.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: The start of practice.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: We got dogs opera coming right through.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this guy, Look at you. Oh you're
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: a good boy. You're a good boy. It looks like
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: he wants to bite my calf. Right now, look all
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: these good dogs. Look at all these good dogs.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: I gotta get my dog at Patriots jersey.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: That's that's pretty cool, Alice.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: You do not have a Patriots jersey for your dog yet.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: Not yet, but I will.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Don't worry.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: I'm a little mad at him after the last couple
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: of days.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: I really can't believe that you don't have him decked
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: out in Pat's garb.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping to get him in the Patriot, the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Patriots on patriots dot com. So maybe pull some strings,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: maybe we get him on the on the website.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: That'd be pretty cool.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: How he wants to dress him up like a shark.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Chase me, chase me our shot.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: I'm playing.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: So we'll we'll get the cameras turned down to the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: field as soon as we can. There's certain portions of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the practice that we're not allowed to show live. So
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: if you're wondering why are we listening and watching these guys,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and then why aren't we watching the field, Because like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I said, there's certain portions that we're allowed to film
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: other portions that we're not, and this.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Is one we're not allowed to film.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Well, but Paul likes to say, and it's it's so
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: true this you know, these shirt two days really in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: a extension of OTAs. You know, it's not it doesn't
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: feel like training camp quite yet. Monday, it'll start to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: feel like training camp.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: Wait till the stats come out later, tell a different story.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: Still have fifteen takeaways.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I'm going to have them. Yeah,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: but you know, I'm not.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Going to tell you that today is a lot of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: procedural stuff. Who's out there, who's full go? You know,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: it's not a whole lot Leave with the dogs, Leave
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: with the dogs football takeaways.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I'd like to catch a glimpse of heroes. I haven't.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I haven't laid eyes on him yet, but it's another one.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I mean interesting to watch as a coordinator. You know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: where does he spend his time? I mean he's obviously
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: comfortable with the defensive line. That was the prosion group
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: that he that he coached and that he's you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: really known for. But you see him hovering with the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: cornerbacks at all defense, you know, linebackers, that kind of stuff.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: See what kind of his style is?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: People emailing in podcasts at patriots dot com mostly about dogs.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Uh Bowood, Rhode Island, taking issue with Evan out labs.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Labs are not low energy. Their owners are just lazy laps,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I think, or they get overweight.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: I think that's why Evan was suggesting I get a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: lab because owners are lazy.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: Listen, I'll.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Bates says Paul's future dog should be a beagle.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: They're rarely quiet, don't care if no one else is
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: listening to them, whine and howl at about nothing.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: It seems fair.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Uh s bought an advisor down there on the on
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the sidelines there was it, a big one with with
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: a very little velcrow to spare large and a rubber
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's a hard thing to say, rubber wedding ring.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: I have to say, that's kind of like that. Sure
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: there's an and is he on the show?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think a takeaway too from the spring
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: was just the temple of the practice. You know, guys
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: sprinting a lot. There weren't a lot of conditioning. It
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: seems like Rabel is one of the guys run during practice.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: It's funny that you brought that up, Mike, Dad, what
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: are we doing. I actually asked Mike about that. He did,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: and that's exactly how he you know, the way we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: talked about it.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: I think at the time, if you're working at practice,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: you should be getting you running in that practice. There's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: no need for extra conditioning. That's why we do everything
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: and the tempo that we do. So I think when
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: we see them doing, you know, maybe devoting a little
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: extra time to conditioning, which they will, it's not going
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: to be. But I think that will be part of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: the plan. And I think that another part of the plan.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: It's not like I think people will, well, oh jeez,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Rabel's being easy on him.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: They didn't run the hill today.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Be the case.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: I think that means that he had more running built
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: into the practice.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah he, I mean he, like Paul said, he mentioned
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that that's the way he runs his practice. You know,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: he runs it like a game. Plays over it, get
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: back to the huddle. We're going to do the next play.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: There's not going to be a lot of downtime between
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: plays in periods.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: I just hope that hill doesn't get lonely over there,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: because it's a you know, oh.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be out there. Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think I saw a practice plan for today, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I think I saw condigtional hills all right at the end.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: But but as you get further into the summary, I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: think you're going to see less of that. Guys should
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: be in shape.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean to Paul's point that you brought
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: U yesterday. Guys start to get banged up a little bit.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: You don't need to you don't need to go too
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: crazy and push it. Oh, we got a split box
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: to look at that.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the funds, the funds on the right, some lockthroughs
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, except to say you're looking over there for attendance, Mike,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't touched a single one.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: I would you, guys, because I.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: It was the last thing I said that I needed
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: to help with.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: I got an audio service thing right here.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: That's really blocking.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Figure.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: You got the perch, Paul, you're nothing.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: But excuse the guys who are here are here.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Right, I think everybody except for the n f I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: pup guys.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: There's a handful of guys I don't have. That doesn't
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: mean they're not here.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: Okay, we'll get that to you.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Will effort that later.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Drake mays here, that's all I care about.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Drake mill Williams. You got Steph Dicks.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: You make fun of me all the time when I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: say things like that, but you say the same thing.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well, now it's a whole new thing.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Because about you know, like your team is, you know,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: new regime.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: We're gonna lead Mike Able to button things up. We
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: don't have to do the buttoning up anymore. I like it,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: you know that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 9: I like it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: Freddy Mike were Abel worry about the blocking and the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage, and you guys will worry about.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: The Mike Felger says, you do that on your own time,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: and we'll worry about what win's football stapticks.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: You guys can do that on right, all right.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: So that Rable quote yesterday where they talked about their
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: film review and they put it into buckets, which was
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: the good, the bad, and.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: The sleep that will get your beat?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Now, what's the difference between the bad and the stuff
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: that will get your beat?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: So that's just like a bad play, Like you know,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: maybe you drop a pass or or whatever, but you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: know the bleep that will get your beat is I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: don't know, fifteen fall start penalties in a practice, I've
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: missed assignment that gets your quarterback lit.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: Up, letting the ball go over your head as a safety.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, maybe the DK Metcalf play and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: that's the bleep that will get your beat. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: and you can fix it. Doesn't take talent to know
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: your assignments to stay on side.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Those kinds of things kind of more than dumb. Do
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you remember the three pillars? The three pillars for camp cancel,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: build a team that's number one, find a role, Yeah,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: prepare to win. Oh, I wrote it down just in
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: case Pray will ever quizzes me on and I'm ready
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: I did like I did like his three buckets for
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: the film though, I that's a that's a good one,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: you know, way to live in the film.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe put that in your film reviews.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe after further review will be what were those buckets?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I think the stuff that they get I see, yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: maybe that's going to be the new.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: Stuff that get you beat might be a little sparse,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: but that's fine, you know.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: I don't talk too much about that, but I.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Think going back to the three pillars for camp goals,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I think he really kind of the goal there was
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: just to narrow it down to just the basic you know,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: we're here to build a team.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: You know, you need to you know, find your role,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: who are you? How do I fit into this team?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: And then prepare to win.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, to avoid the stupid mistakes that get to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: beat those kind of things. Yeah, I mean it's now.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: I thought a lot of what Frable was said.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, he always goes back to teaching for him
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: and I think you know, a thing that made Bill
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Belichick great players often said that he could just really
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: simplify things and say, you know, these are the few
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: things we need to focus on, and you can't do
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: everything as a head coach, so you really have to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: break it down what's important to.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: Me to establish.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Frankly, he got that from Belichick. Belichick that I thought
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that was one of his secret weapons, was how he
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: was able to take things and just simplify it and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: make it absolutely teachable.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I've heard it from too many players to not know
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: that that's the fact and.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Also have the knowledge to like look at an opponent
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: and say this is the key.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: But whatever it is, he was able to just travel.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: He was able to just break it down whatever it was.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: That's why I think he could be the CEO of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: any compat.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Then that's probably Ernie too.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I mean Ernie probably has that ability already watch a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: team and say this is the loose brick and if
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: we pull this one out, the whole thing is going
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: to collapse.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: I just continue to that, you know, one the other
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: team's plays.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: Impressed by uh you know they were talking to Rabel
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: and his press conference this morning about uh Doc Jim
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: Whalen and you know, the medical stuff, and like he
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: has an answer to that, like he had he has
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: knowledge about, you know, how they're going to rehab players
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: and injuries and where the players are going to go
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: if they need an MRI, and like all these little
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: things that he has an actual idea of how they're
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: going to implement those things, whereas I think a lot
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: of other coaches would have just said.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: That's one thing that's really stood out to me about
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Mike from the introductory press conference, and he's mentioned things
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: like that many times. It's his stressing of the importance
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: of everybody on his team knowing everybody in the building.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: Get to know these people, the people that are in
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: the cafeteria, the people that are taking care of you,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: the parking people, the medical status. Like that's what I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: don't remember a lot of coaches talking. And it wasn't
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: lip service in my opinion, because he said it so
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: many different ways and so many different times. We heard
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: some of the stuff and forged about the first meeting.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: He talked to them about the importance of treating these
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: people properly, with respect and getting to know them. And
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: I think that's an example of it that Evan just.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: Talked about with the doctors medical different electrician.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Bill was like, stay away from.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: Sports side all of it. Like he has you know,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: analytics like scouting coach, yeah, practice schedules, like he has
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: his hand in all of it, and like has things
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: to offer in terms of knowledge to all of it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: It's impressive.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: So as you can see, cameras are back on the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: field and that's May front and center.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: That's a bit stretching right now.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, Fred, you know what I have to point out too.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen the new football facility from this angle
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: in a little while, and it's coming together.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: It's definitely nicely. Yeah, you can see it like now,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: like you you know, you take a random Friday off
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: and you come back after a long weekend, you're like, whoa, Yeah,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of changing in three days.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: It's amazing how fast they can get things done when
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you don't. You know, when guys, you know, the crew's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: there and I can't get somebody to mow my law,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and and they're putting up this building.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Somebody's get off your as on yourself.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: If I had to tie, I actually enjoy it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: We we've been through this. We're not going to get
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: into you.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I like, but.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: This facility is gonna slated to be open in April
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: Six and might need it.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: It's coming, you know, like what year to build this thing.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: That's unbelieve.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: I am underground parking.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: I know. It was a huge thing, state of the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: art treatment facility. It walks right out onto the practice barbershop.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Barbershop, Uh yeah, polo right because we come even in
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: the off season, which we work here, so we're here
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: and every week you come back in a little bit
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: more is done and a little bit more is done.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: So it is crazy to watch it in real time
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: going up and it's I mean the outside structure is
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: done right, I mean they're really just working on the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: inside at this point.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's funny how it all came together because I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: know this has been in the works for a long time,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: and now you know, Mike Rabil comes here and now
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: he gets his team just gets the benefit from you know, hey,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: it's already in the pipeline. Mike here comes, you know,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: so it'd be great for the team next year when
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: they're able to move.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: And I know that Rabel and his staff have been
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: involved in, you know, planning it out the inside of it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: You know, what's important in the meeting rooms. What av
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: do they need, what do they want, what's the latest technology?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: How big the lockers should be, for example, I guess
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: they're calling them custom lockers.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: You know they're customized. So uh yeah, I'm I'm excited
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: to see it. I'm not even gonna be working it.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: There's your boy, a lot of Gabriel and forged you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: know this.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: I think is he talking to it. I think he's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: talking today.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe I think he is. Yeah, just you know, instaid
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: this off. He's like, I've never had a winning season
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: and it never really occurred to me. And it's like, man,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: that guy, you can pick him, you know, the guy
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: his first round pick, really highly touted and you know
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: Cleveland and Giants, and you know, he's kind of kicked
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: around a little bit. He's had off the field issues
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: last year that you know, derailed them. But he's a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: guy that just plays the way that verybel wants these
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: guys to play.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: And that's why, you know, or some question, how does
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: you know, how do the old guys fit.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Into this new rosters? We were first getting going, and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: I just could never rule out Gabril Peppers. You see
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: him breaking down the huddle. Uh, you know, he's definitely
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: emerged as a leader on this team and oh ras
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: gotta had on and so yeah, I'm hopeful that just
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: how much would mean for Jabil Peppers to get back
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: on track to play a full season and maybe make
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. I mean, he just it's all there for
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: him to have, you know, the most satisfying season of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: his career.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: If this team's able to put it together.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, after last season, which was frankly not very good
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: for either Kyle Duggar Jabriel Peppers, we kind of forget
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: that two years ago it was one of the better
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: safety tandems in the NFL, and you know, on all
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: those lists that come out this time of year, they're
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: ranking them both, you know, pretty high as a tandem individually,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: and there was once upon a time where they were
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: looked at as as really good players and had good
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: I agree with that.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Are you a little surprised the amount of criticism Dugger
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: has taken in this this offseason? I know, I'm not
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: trying to tell you we had a great year.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people. Yeah, I think a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: lot of people were already a little bit out on
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: the coverage ability to begin with, and then when he
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: had the year that he had last year where that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: was really I think people have ignored the fact that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: he played her.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to make excuses for him.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: I have been one that's been.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: Critical of his coverage ability in the past.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: So I'm not trying to tell you, oh, now I'm
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: going to change because I'm being contrarian. That's not what
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to do. I thought it was clear that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: he played at well below one hundred percent last year. Yeah,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: he was not moving at all, and I think it's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: now chocked up that he can't play and he could
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: get he's going.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: To get cut.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he got lumped into the guys they
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: brought back.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: But I would say, Paul, I think you're totally right.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: But I think part of the reason is because there
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: are a lot of very glaring plays last year for him.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Oh you mentioned already the DK metcalf one Miami game
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: at Miami was a train wreck. So and so a
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: common fan is watching that and being like, even I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: can see you know, and who knows for sure if
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: you're right based on what the coverage is. But I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: think it was obvious for even the casuals that he
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: was having a tough year and that's why. And you're right,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: people are overlooking the fact that he was really playing
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: through a serious injury that needed surgery in the off season.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: So again him and on when you just got is
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: that a little bit part of the old regime?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Can they? But I haven't heard that criticism of a Winu. Yeah, happened,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: and he had a bad year. He did, and just
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: because he was the best lineman on a terrible offensive
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: line doesn't mean he played well.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: I mean I haven't really heard any of that with
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: a Wnu other than here on our show we talk
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tommy Current talk a little bit about it. I mean,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think any time you just
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: look at the salaries of the guys and you just highlight,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: all right, these are the taps.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Of stands out to me. Yeah, the guys that are
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: making good money that they didn't get didn't get that
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: money from this regime. To the guys that are unnoticed.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: Especially you know, if on when new is going to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: play guard, like if he's and I think he should,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: but now he's an eighteen million dollar guard, you know
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: that that needs to be a Pro Bowl caliber player
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: at that number for that position. But Duggar, I just wonder,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: is there is there more consistency to his game, Like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: does he have that in him or is he always
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: going to just kind of be a splash player that's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: going to have some boom. It's going to have some
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: bus a couple of years ago when he's has picked
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: sixes and things like that, then you lived with some
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: of the plays where he's not in the right position
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: all the time.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: That's why I thought it was so clear that he
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: was playing below one hundred percent because he had that
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: explosiveness that the picked off Derek Carr screen pass against
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: the Raiders, you know, like that's just like scoop and score.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think I think he could have diagnosed that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: play every bit as quickly last year and wouldn't have
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: been able to make it. Basically, wouldn't have been there.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm not telling you he's a great player. I
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: think if you go back to all those splash plays
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: that he made and was I think twenty one and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: twenty two and a little bit, you know, in twenty three,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: I think there's an element that he was a little
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: over rated. But I don't think he is as bad
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: a player as he was last year. I think the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: criticism is sort of ignoring all those plays that he
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: made the previous couple of seasons.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: You wonder if if Craig Woodson's got anything in the tank.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about the Darron Harmon you know role,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Devin Cordy role, and I think that you might have
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: been when Dugger was at his best, when Devin mccordy
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: was here, and you could just kind of play with Dougger.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have to worry about getting beat over the top.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: But you know, is there a scenario where by the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: end of the year it's just Dugger or Pepper's with
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: a Craig Woodson and it's a little bit more conventional
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: where you have a free safety and a strong safety
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: and you know, I know teams now want to have
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: guys go down and up and you know, have that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: versatility and not be so rigid with your safety roles.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, if there's a guy with
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: some really good range, it might balance out your defense
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit. So, I mean, we'll see.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: Whitson's reputation for being a cerebral safety is just gets
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: another guy with a lot of college experience.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: Gets everybody in the right spot in their natural spots.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: And I think that's big for Dougger. He's the type
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: of player that you got to get him in the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: right roles. Like if you're going to have him play
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: a lot in space, if you're going to have him
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: play far off the line of scrimmage in the deep
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: part of the field, like that's really not a strength
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: of his. So if you can get him into the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: right spots and then the cam, you know, he can
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: be a really good player for them. What'son's a good
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: chot Like if Wotson can be that guy, you know
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: when they play dime on third down, they're gonna have
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: six defensive backs, Like, is it those three guys in
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: the safeties And I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's those three together.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: That's what's interesting to me is just what do the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: sub packages look like?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: And I think we have a pretty good sense of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: you know, just what they're probably like four, two, five,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: bas Nickel will be. But you know when they get
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: into the different dime packages, are there going to be
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: here we go sprint Brable leading the way you saw Mike.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Together.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just setting the tone.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: What do you think that message is?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Ready?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, being a veteran of thirty plus camps,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: what do you think the message was for?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Take care of each other?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Take care of each other, stay up, you know that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: type of thing. Let's be alert, head on a swivel.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: I might I might have a pad anyway, right, you
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: know it.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Starts today and there it is Paul on.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: They literally hand him the pad as you say that,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: he's such a hard I love it.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: Andy Hart goes to bed every night and just says,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: don't want to be migrat.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: I just that's football, right, Like, let's get in the trenches.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Let's get on when it with Moses on a double
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: team and let's move some bodies. You know, that's Mike
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: Rabel's mindset, and I love it.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: I like to listening to him talk about that kind
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: of stuff that before you came to the show, Mike
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: and I were talking about that. It was late in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: the press garments when he talked about one of the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: things he gets most excited about is when a guy
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: sort of surprises him with his physicality once the pats
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: come on, his ability to maybe break tackles, or his
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: contact balance, or his ability to shed a block. And
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: every year he says, there's guys that surprise him.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: I just gave a nice uh yeah the camp. Welcome
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: to Camp Rabel.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: But you know, looking at to By, there too, no
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: wrap on his leg or anything, jumping right into these
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: these drills here that they're doing so good sign for him.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like he's you know, too hampered by that
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: that injury from the spring.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Rabel is scrapped up special teams.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: So I like to talk to you guys about my
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: buddy Mike Reese, right, because I always take a little
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: extra stock into some of the I considered him to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: be one of the more informed beat guys. You never
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: will hear me put him in the in the box
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: like to everybody else when I make part of the media.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: Mike had an interesting roster projection and there was one
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: guy in UH specifically that stood out to me and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: that was really shot out Giovari Ritzy. He had making
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: his his final roster defensive tackle. I don't know much
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: about that undrafted rookie out of North Carolina sixty four
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: just looking at the roster. Do you guys know anything
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: about this player? And should I have him on my radar?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I sure I didn't If I had to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: pick the ud F as he would not be at
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: the top of the list, but mostly just because of competition,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Like it's going to be a tough spot to make
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: the roster as an interior defensive lineman when you have
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: bar Moore and Williams and White and you know, Farms
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: and Tongda like guys that are going to be on
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: this team, so that that would be more Does he
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: have an edge over Farms and that he's much more
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: of a of an upfield player, and you know, you
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: see the size is only two hundred and ninety five pounds,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: three hundred pounds, and but I remember of him, you know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: just doing the ud fas, was that he's somebody that
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: that is that style, you know, he fits the style
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: of that they want to play a little bit more potentially.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: But I think there's a long way to go before
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: we're talking about Ritzy picking the roster.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: I get, I get, well, I just yeah, if you
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you guys obviously didn't see it. If you
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: saw a roster projection at this time of year and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: that guy was on, it, wouldn't that feels It's not
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: like Chisholm right now would not necessarily create that kind
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: of a reaction.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: That's some random.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: There's another there's another one that feels informed. Pomp.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: It feels it absolutely feels informed, which is why I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: bring it up. And I want to know if I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: should put any extra attention to that player. I think
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have to pronounce learn how to pronounce this.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: You know, there's going to be a bunch of udfas
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: that make this team, because you were talking about it earlier,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: like it's new regime and they're gonna have their guys
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: and they're gonna and a lot of them. They're gonna
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: be filter out some of the guys that are not
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: necessarily fits for what they want to do. And we've
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: talked a lot about e Fton, Chisholm and Marrison. But
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: even at like tight end, you know, can g Scott
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: or so Debre win a spot. Brock Lampy at fullback,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: does he win a spot? Apparently? Javari Ritzy is someone
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: we should all talk about. Cam Riley at linebacker.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: He had Larson on his roster.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I too.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: It's a great I like how Evan's laying it out
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: because I think what Mike Reese was probably getting at
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: is questions about death and some of these positions. Defensive
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: tackle is a great one, and that's probably why he
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: chose Ritzy. But you know who fits into this scheme?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Do the holdovers hold their jobs? You know, you you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: brought up Jeremiah Farms, who had a great year last
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Year's really progressed, but still you know, he's like twenty eight,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: twenty nine. I mean, he's not a young spring chicken anymore.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: So those positions, the depth, that's where the jobs can
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: do one. I think Evan laid out some great names
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: that you don't brock Lampy, who's gonna unique player on
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: the roster, might push for a spot if Josh likes
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: that and wants to put that fullback back in.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: Only full back on the roster, they got to put
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: the fullback back in?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: And what do we doing?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: We were talking about interviews after practice earlier and speculating
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: we should mention.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: That Drake May is going to speak today. Yeah, we
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: will have that for you live. Yeah, after practice, after practice.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: Watching some footwork here with him under center and something
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: that just like a little thing that be watching the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: play fakes and the under center footwork and all that stuff,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: Like the footwork really improved leaps and bounds from college
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: to his rookie year. I think the play fakes can
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: get a little bit better, like really selling the play
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: action from under center. It'd be interesting to see how
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: that develops.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: I got a little of the Drew in them. A
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: little Drew was too cool to give you a really
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: good play fake. It would be I got, how do
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I look smooth and cool.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Doing this right?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: But when you're in shotgun like, it's not really footwork right,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: You're just kind of shuffling your feet. You know, it's
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: not really we're not really talking about dropping back from
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: you know, five seven nine step drops from under center.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: That that's really when we start to talk about footwork
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: and then where that impacts the quarterback.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: But definitely they are working on that now from the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: shotgun quarterbacks and now we see offensive line.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Here, So that's uh, I think that's Robert Cooler there,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: who I ran into at the automotive shop waiting for
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: our cars to be ready, and you know, a line
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: spread of building a relationship with football.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: Chatted with him.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: He was featured pretty prominently in the recent episode of Fortune.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: Foxborough as well said, oh, you got a first round
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: pick to uh get your hands on?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: He said, oh, no, you know, I'm gonna.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: Let the shoot. What's the offensive line coach?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: Dog Moon?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: Come on, Robert Cooper.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: No, I know he's like a two time head coach.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: He gets very names in my head.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: Well they have, I exaggerate, but they have like five
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: offensive line coaches. They have three true like guys that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: are really the voices. But Jason Hawdling, he made an
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: impression on me. He was with Rabel in Tennessee. He's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: actually run the room before he's been an offensive line coach,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: and then Doug Moron obviously has done it for years.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: So they kind of have two guys that could are
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: qualified to be offensive line coach.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: That's part of what I was talking about earlier with
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: like last year you had all guys that were actually
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: doing it for the first time. This year they have
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: assistants who have done it in the past, like Thomas Brown,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: Todd Downing has been an offensive coordinator. He's coaching wide receivers. Yeah,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: you know so, I think now sometimes that can work
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: the other way. You got too many cooks in the kitchen.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: But right that isn't how I would do it. But
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: that's Mike Britton. That's on Mike Rabel. He's got to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: make sure you don't get that kind.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Of as they're all on the same page. Great.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: When it comes to some of the stuff with the technique,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: I just from what I've seen, I would say Doug
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: Moron is going to do a lot more of like
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: the coordinating with Josh McDaniels of the offensive line. You know,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: how are we going to block things, How are we
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: going to pick up blitz is? How are they going
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: to scheme the run game? And all that kind of stuff.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: Looks like Haddling and Cooglar are really involved with like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: hands on coaching, and Myron is kind of sits back
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: and watches and evaluates and and.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Then gives his two So what was Huddling his nickname?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: I was on the stupid thing. I forget it was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: like Hoss or something, Coss or something. It's like quintessential
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: offensive line coach. Who is the guy out in Vegas
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: that we were car Priscillo. I mean, just these guys
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: who are you know, they're all kind of built the same,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: They are kind of square guys. They just had that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: booming voice. And then there's Dante's right, Yeah, he's kind
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: of you know, Dante's kind of the exception to that.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just saw Stefan Diggs there take a past. This
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: is a drill that once they get pads on, uh goes.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: It's more a lot more physical drill right now, it's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of two hand touch.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So leveraging to try to push to your help,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: whether it's the sideline or you know, back into the
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: teeth of the defense. So you're the defensive player wants
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: to take an angle at the ball carrier in order
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: to funnel him in a certain direction that they want
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: to push him and Marcus Jones taking some reps with
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: the ball.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: I would not want to go against him.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Can we can we get the ball in his hands?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: That would be my nightmare, Like I'll be a little
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: bit on offense.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Marcus's KBO.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: Kyle Williams was really good at this drill in the spring.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: I remember he made a couple of guys look look
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: a little foolish.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: Of course, the return of the Guardian Caps, it's become.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: A Travon Henderson thirty two.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he fast. He's one guy that I felt like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: through the spring, everybody kind of universally was like, yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: he looks like he can play Kyle Williams as much
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: as you can say it at this point, but oh,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: bull ship those two guys.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: If even if it's not a high volume, if they
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: can just get some big plays out of those two
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: guys and they can bring that infusion of explosiveness that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: they drafted them for and be so massive for the group.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: He digs Williams pop. I mean, these guys are all
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: in the contract for a couple of years too, So
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: anything you established this year, you've got guys to build it.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a great, great example right here,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Jamon Baker, who you know, talk about a guy who
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: has all the talent.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: Uh, but is he ready to take that step?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he keep wanting to see him put it together
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: because he does have all the talent. Yea highly recruited
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: guy at Alabama Big Year. You see f a couple
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: of years ago. Like, it's not a talent issue with him,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: it's a consistency issue because the.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: Show guy to keep your eye on.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of talk that was quick.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: We're talking about and I don't want to you know,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not I can't see everything, but we talk a
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: lot about Baker. Just now. His partner that everybody talks
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: about with him is Polk. I haven't seen Jalen no Folk,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: so he's not on the list.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: But he did have you know, he had his shoulder
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: and he's coming back and was limited in the spring.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: So I did not see him. Doesn't mean he's not
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: out there or not. You know, before I you know,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: we end up getting aggregated. I'm not reporting that he's
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: not out there. We're up here on the ramps, so
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: I don't see everybody's cut an audio service.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: I don't see him either with their receivers, you know.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: And ironically, the other guy I didn't cross off is
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: ninety three Ritzy. Yeah, after I just talked about him,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: He's probably out there. I just haven't seen him. Everybody
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: else I have accounted for that's not on the list. Okay,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: So Josh Mankins, thanks, Paul Venerian Lowe and Austin Hooper
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: are three guys that are still on lists.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: I got.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: You got ninety three so yeah, and Mac Collins is
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: actually here but he's not practicing. So those poor guys,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: those are the only guys I don't have other than
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Jalen Polk.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the other scribes or in agreement with you, So
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: it's j Jalen Polk's the only guy not here.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not not ideal for him. No, now, especially
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: after yesterday, I said, I'm team Polk.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: So hopefully, hopefully it's not the major. But I mean,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: he was working through things during the off season. He
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: was shoulder surgery.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had something done on his shoulder.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he had shoulders injury at the end
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: of last year.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna lie, like I know, we talk
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: about this the first day camp and you know, but
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: it's like it matters, like I think every time you're
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: not out here it matters.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: So particularly for guys like that. You know, if if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: if we talked a lot about digs and how positive
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: it was that he's not on pup, well, if he
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: was not on pup but maybe getting a little bit slower,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't be as big an issue to me if
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: you missed a day or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: it is for a guy like Pulk right who's trying
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: to fight and prove that he's an NFL player.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:30:43
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• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not that hot yet.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: I'm saving the shorts out here at four.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a little chilling.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saving the shorts for Friday and Saturday because it's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: going to be really hot.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: Fussed out the stems.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's definitely gonna be hot those days.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: Have we've seen Matt Collins running through these drills at all?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: He came out, but he didn't have a helmet.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: He went down with you. That's another interesting one. And
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: he hasn't done anything. I didn't see him in the spring.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: Isn't doing anything now. I think he's pretty close to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: being a lock on the roster. But he's not healthy.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: He's not healthy.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: I wonder about the pup thing to buy some time. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: a veteran that we know is going to be here.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: This allows us to get extra time with Pulk Baker, Chisholm,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: Booty Becorn.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: See.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: I would say, I just like saying that you're gonna
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: make fun of me. That's okay. I would say John
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: Giles showed out to as much to me. Spring is
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: any of those other secondary receivers. They targeted him now,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: not Drake May. Those guys generally work with Josh Dobbs
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: and and thank you. I was going to struggle with
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: that other guy, but.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: He showed up.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: John Giles. You know, he's a guy who was here
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: a little bit right.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: It's got good size last year good I.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: Mean hight weight. I mean he's got all the intangent
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: I mean Scout Team, Scout Team X guy that you're like,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: all right, we got to go against the big dog
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: You're gonna play that part.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: Don't make fun of me. Later they went nice, but
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: theyn't make fun of me.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: You never make fun of you, you know.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: I feel like matt is mac Collins a lock.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: I think I think he's a lot because of his
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: special Team's ability and just.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: His leadership and and all that stuff too. And I
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: feel like he's here to kind of.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: Plus you don't really want to least the millions, Like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: you know, you give a guy in like a five
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars signing bonus or something, you have to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: cut him.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Yea, this will sound funny, but like a million again,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I think he's the perfect number five receiver.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, And I don't mean that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: as a negative.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: But it's just like special teams. He's got, you know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: a little bit unique size and well I'll tell you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: what I think too, and.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: Not everybody has it. Some especially at that position.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: They're deevs right.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: They're used to getting the ball that used to be
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: the center of attention. Not all guys could just sit
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: around and all of a sudden in the middle of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: the third quarter is the key play that hey, we
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: need this four receiver set, we need you, right, Matt
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: Collins is showing the ability to get you know, seven
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: snaps in the game, but find a way to make
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: two catches. Yeah, yeah, I mean he did it with
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Buffalo a lot last year.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: Was a huge call last year. Like I'm not talking
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: he's not ready Moss, but like he was a good
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: player in his role.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: When they asked him to make plays, he delivered.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: And he can play a little in the slot and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: us his size a little bit in the slot as well.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: Like he's just he's a football player. He's a guy
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: that can be a good player.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: It's kind of perfectly. It's not easy to do.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: There's a couple at that position, come off the bench
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: like that in a key in a key moment and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: make the play.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: He had a good year in McDaniels in Vegas a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: couple of years ago. Was his career best, right, Yeah,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: but Buffalo last year. I mean he was not a
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: bad player from Buffalo.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: So you go back and you look, you've had ESPN
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: has been doing a lot of like wrap ups of
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: divisions and you know they show the Patriots that you know,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: you see the Drake May scrambling around touchdown against Tennessee Buffalo.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: There's like two or three different catches that Hollins makes, Yeah,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: as part of their little package.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: He impressed me when we were in Vegas for joint practices.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I spent most of my time watching DeVante Adams,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: you know, do his thing. But he seemed like just
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: a great compliment, you know, just a big outside receiver
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: that in those packages with multiple receivers, He's got a
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: presence on the outside and it's you know, he's playing
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: all your special teams.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: He's a really good off the field guy. I think
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: that's what they're looking for.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: I know Paul's gonna scoff at what I'm about to say.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: He might be the best run blocking wide receiver in football,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: Like dead serious, I'm not.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna scrap because because of what Mike said,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: he's a fourth or fifth receiver. Yeah, he's an elite.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: I need that.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: I need a guy. If you're gonna be that, you're
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: gonna have to go and be a gunner. You're gonna
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: have to block in the running game. That's what I want.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: That's going to bitching about not getting the right right.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: And so if he's not bitching about knocking the ball,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: what about the guy.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Who's like the third receiver, Like, you can't be bitching
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: if the fifth guy, you know, who's.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: Digging out the nickel, Oh, we got it, mat Collins
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: going there and get his getting there and then get
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: the nose dirty.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like he's a little ways off though,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: So I mean it does without Polp. Without him, I
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: mean guys like Javal Baker. You got to take advantage
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: every single day that those guys aren't out here and
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: make the most of every time the ball comes your way.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: You can't have. Beginning of camp, we saw a lot
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: of great stuff from Baker, and then we started to
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: see some drops and you know, it's just.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: It became inconsistent. Can't can't go.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: You can't repeat that if you want to try to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: build towards making this roster and having a roll yep.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: So in a few minutes we're going to be saying goodbye.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Our cameras will have to be shut off permanently, so
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: we'll let these guys get go downstairs and actually pay
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: real attention to practice.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: But it'll be a shorter practice today.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow we'll have Patriots Unfiltered at our little later after
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: right after practice, right after practice, right on THELL. So
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: we'll wrap up everything we saw the last two days tomorrow,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: and you guys will do your podcast after every day
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: of practice.
• 1:36:39
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• 1:36:43
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• 1:36:43
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• 1:36:46
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• 1:36:49
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• 1:36:51
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• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Obviously, Patriots dot Com in all the Patriots social accounts,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: we'll have content coming out the wazoo throughout training camp
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: this summer, so it's another good way to follow. So
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: lots going on. Our next live show from practice will
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: be Monday. We picked that day because we're told that's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: going to be the first day in pads, and that's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: always an exciting day to finally see them a little
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: bit more physical and shoulder pads. So that'll be on
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: Monday around the same time. I think probably, yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: We're wrapping up, but I just want to mention we
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: talked about the linebackers. We didn't even mention Christian Ellis,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: who's out there and you know who they not only
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: signed to an initial restrictive free agent deal, but then
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: when the Raiders offered him, they they matched it and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: gave him.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: You know, a more significant deal.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: So it was always the Raiders were trying to get
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: him to replace Splaine, and they're like, we only not
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: only kept Splaine, We're gonna we want to keep Ellis too.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: So he's another guy who's a little bit of a
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: wild card. Is he on that trajectory of going from
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: special teams player to a real linebacker who tribute Zach
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Bond last year being like the ultimate story of a
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: guy who signed a one year deal.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 6: With Philadelphia and then just exploded. I don't know if
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: Ellis is on that.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: Track, But so you're saying, going to be in my
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: first team all.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly, But but maybe the Patriots do see that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: kind of trajectory for him in this defense, that hey,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: this is a guy who can run a little bit
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: and he fits him well at that at that inside linebacker,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: respective if it's in nice and next to splane, you're
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: just from a body type and like skill guy.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, weak sidelinebacker.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: So Rabel's very active. I'm just wondering can he sustain
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: this all summer? I mean, how much going to have
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: to take after today because he's getting knocked around.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, especially with all those years that was
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  Speaker 3: the fourteen years in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: He drinks, Yeah, apparently, Dan Campbell drinks like a ridiculous
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  Speaker 5: amount of coffee. That's how he gets, you know, has
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  Speaker 5: all the energy.
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  Speaker 1: That he has.
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  Speaker 2: All you do is one of those celsius just like
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  Speaker 2: five cups.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to get up and on the way up,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to buy a knell.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Docter Henry talking with his head coach. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I mean to Cooper seems like
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  Speaker 3: to be a little bit for him too. So again
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  Speaker 3: talking about opportunities for guys. You know, maybe at Jahem
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  Speaker 3: Bell he's able to take advantage of check Westover stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So waiting for one of those guys west Over Bell,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: dupre Scott, somebody show us a little something.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna have plenty to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this summer as the Patriots get ready for their twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five campaign. But for this episode of Patriots Unfiltered
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  Speaker 1: Special Training Camp Edition, we're gonna say goodbye. We want
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• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two can't forget that with the bartender, yes,
• 1:39:51
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• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: So there's so much Patriots.
• 1:39:56
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• 1:40:00
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