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The Late Debate | 26 November · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome late to pay.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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Speaker 3: Did you know that rocks can have agenda? In fact,
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Speaker 3: rocks can even be transgendered. That's what one Australian museum
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Speaker 3: is telling people. We'll talk about that a little later.
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Speaker 3: Plus when we get to the paper as a convicted
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Speaker 3: murderer let out of maximum security so that she can
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Speaker 3: undergo IVF treatment, and an incredible story on the front
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Speaker 3: page of Tomorrow's Australian talking about the lengths to which
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Speaker 3: the Environmental Defender's Office went to block a new gas project. Honestly,
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Speaker 3: you've got to read this story to believe it, and
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Speaker 3: we'll share it with you a little later.
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Speaker 2: But at the beginning of the show, I thought it
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Speaker 2: might be.
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Speaker 3: Appropriate for us to just take a moment to send
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Speaker 3: our thoughts and prayers to US government workers in the
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Speaker 3: State Department. They're having a really tough time dealing with
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Speaker 3: life since November six, Donald Trump winning the election has
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Speaker 3: really upset people in the State Department, so much so
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Speaker 3: that the State Department is providing therapy sessions to help
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Speaker 3: US government workers deal with democracy Republican candidate Darryl Isier
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Speaker 3: wrote to Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln after hearing about
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Speaker 3: these therapy sessions, saying, I'm concerned that the department is
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Speaker 3: catering to federal employees who are personally devastated by the
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Speaker 3: normal functioning of American democracy through the provision of government
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Speaker 3: funded mental health counseling, or because Kamala Harris wasn't elected
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Speaker 3: president of the United States. Now, there was an email
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Speaker 3: that went around to government workers encouraging them to take
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Speaker 3: part in these cry sessions, advising that they would help
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Speaker 3: them to navigate these challenging times. I have questions Calivin
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Speaker 3: is fought specifically. Firstly, this has to ask questions about
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Speaker 3: these government workers' ability and or willingness to work for
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration. I mean, they're undergoing mental health sessions
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Speaker 3: right now to cope with Trump winning the election in
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, Trump will be their boss. But second,
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Speaker 3: it raises questions about their fitness to work.
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Speaker 2: For the government at all.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's beggar's belief that you would employ people
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Speaker 3: in the government service who are so fragile.
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Speaker 2: I mean, would you employ such people in your business?
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Speaker 3: Or else would they get a job by why they're
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Speaker 3: for the govern Well, they don't have the ABC in
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Speaker 3: the United States, so although MSNBC would probably pick up
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Speaker 3: some of these people.
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Speaker 2: Third, what does it say about the.
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Speaker 3: Culture of the bureaucracy in the United States that this
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Speaker 3: sort of behavior is not only tolerated, but it's actually encouraged.
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Speaker 3: I know Donald Trump was criticized for talking about having
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Speaker 3: to drain the swamp. Well, this sounds like kind of
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Speaker 3: swampish behavior. And finally, what an insult to taxpayers that
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Speaker 3: they have to fund these infantile sessions for people trying
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Speaker 3: to cope and get over the results of a fair
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Speaker 3: and free election.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think you're being a little hard, James Trump.
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Speaker 4: Derangement syndrome is a real diagnosable mental illness.
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Speaker 1: Of course they need treatment for it.
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Speaker 4: I forget the name of the little book that psychologists
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Speaker 4: and psychiatrists use.
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Speaker 1: But it ought to be in there because it is legit.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's got to be legit if they need
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Speaker 4: this sort of help, surely. I mean, it just makes
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Speaker 4: a mockery of things said. Imagine being that fragile that
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Speaker 4: upset that someone won a democratic election, that you actually
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Speaker 4: need a therapy session, and not just well, I'm going
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Speaker 4: to trundle down to a therapist.
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Speaker 1: Myself to get some help.
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Speaker 4: Clearly someone in the department has taken notice there and
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Speaker 4: so many people is moping around the office now that
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Speaker 4: we'd better do something about.
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Speaker 1: It to try and lift morale.
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Speaker 4: It is absolutely incredible, and it is exactly these people
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Speaker 4: who need Trump to be president just so we can
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Speaker 4: show what a bunch of lunatics they are. Seriously, this
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Speaker 4: is what Trump's going to do. He's going to rat
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Speaker 4: all of these people out. They won't be able to
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Speaker 4: work there anymore. Because imagine them. If this is what
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Speaker 4: they're like now, like you said before, Jane, imagine what
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Speaker 4: they're going to be like when Trump is actually president.
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Speaker 4: They're all hand in their resignations. He won't have to
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Speaker 4: send in Vivik Ramaswami and Elon Muster clean the joined up.
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Speaker 4: They'll just walk out on mass Fantastic he's hoping.
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Speaker 5: But these guys are meant to be non partisan government officials.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is what bureaucracy is supposed to be anyway.
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Speaker 5: But I got to tell you, I love the difference
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Speaker 5: between Australians and Americans on this score, because we just
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Speaker 5: do not get that head up about our elections. Our
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Speaker 5: struggle is getting people half interested in our politics. People
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Speaker 5: go here to the polling booths because they don't want
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Speaker 5: to get a fine for not voting, because it's mandatory.
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Speaker 5: Over there, it's very tribal. Everyone's at each other's throats.
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Speaker 5: Even the most low info regime bots are very passionately
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Speaker 5: barracking for their team. Ozsies might drop a few expletives
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Speaker 5: if they're preferred. Prime Minister doesn't get in. Other than that,
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Speaker 5: nobody's going to therapy. Nobody cares enough. No one's shedding tears,
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Speaker 5: no one's making complete fools out of themselves. We're just
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Speaker 5: not that emotionally invested in Australian politics. And I think
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Speaker 5: that's a good thing.
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Speaker 4: Imagine a therapy session because Albanezi became Prime minister. You know,
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Speaker 4: I need some help, I need some help. Please here,
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Speaker 4: but elbows in charge. I mean, I'm sure there's someone
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Speaker 4: out there who take the money to give you the session,
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Speaker 4: But you'd be laughed out of the place, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 3: I remember years ago, I was at a seven eleven
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Speaker 3: and I'm you know, you know where they've got the
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Speaker 3: fridges and you're looking for a drink or whatever. And
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Speaker 3: there was this lady standing and she was talking and
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Speaker 3: she had an American accent. So I commented. And it
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Speaker 3: was when Clinton was running against Trump, and I said,
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Speaker 3: so who you supporting? And she said obviously Clinton, and
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Speaker 3: she said you want to win?
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Speaker 2: I said, I actually kind of like Trump.
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Speaker 3: And she literally turned away and made a noise and
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Speaker 3: stormed off. Was my first inkling to man, they really
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Speaker 3: take this seriously. I'm just hoping for a sausage when
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Speaker 3: I go.
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Speaker 5: To vote, you know what I mean. We've been like
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Speaker 5: playing all these clips of people sabotaging each other's pictures
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Speaker 5: of their preferred candidate out the front of their houses.
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Speaker 5: There's been people who then put shocks shockers on their
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Speaker 5: signs so that when someone drove along to get rid
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Speaker 5: of their signs, their tires were flattened or they got
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Speaker 5: an electric shock because they were trying to rip up
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Speaker 5: these I mean, none of that happens in Australia. No
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Speaker 5: one cares. I know, half the people are like, oh
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Speaker 5: wait a minute, is there an election on them? Because
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Speaker 5: I just saw a crowd outside of a school on
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Speaker 5: a Saturday, So better pull over, better vote.
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Speaker 2: Our current government. Maybe we should care a little.
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Speaker 5: Bit more to I'm not I'm not saying. I'm just saying,
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Speaker 5: in terms of the kind of meltdown and the kind
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Speaker 5: of social lack of cohesion around every single American election,
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Speaker 5: we simply don't have that.
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Speaker 4: There's not that tribalism in it, which in many ways
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Speaker 4: is a good thing because it's a lot of trouble
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Speaker 4: and we wouldn't go around trying to shoot our would
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Speaker 4: be presidents either, Isn't it fantastic?
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Speaker 1: But it's no wonder, you know. Of course, they were
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Speaker 1: told that Trump would be literally Hitler, so of course
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Speaker 1: they need therapy sessions.
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Speaker 4: I mean, imagine being told that Hitler was going to
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Speaker 4: run the country. Let's come back to Australia now, where,
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Speaker 4: of course one of the great warriors, warriors, Well, she
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Speaker 4: might be a bit worried.
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Speaker 1: Actually, warrior was the word I.
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Speaker 4: Was going for against nonsense that is being perpetrated upon children.
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Speaker 4: Of course, ginder transitioning is Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 1: She has been on.
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Speaker 4: This for quite some time, and for the fifth time
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Speaker 4: she has tried to ask the Senate for an inquiry
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Speaker 4: into the use of puberty blockers on children, and for
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Speaker 4: the fifth time it has fallen over. Why is it
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Speaker 4: that our senators just seemed to be that they have
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Speaker 4: no inkling, no interest in investigating anything whatsoever. We can't
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Speaker 4: have an inquiry into puberty blockers, we can't have one
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Speaker 4: into babies born alive, we can't have one into COVID.
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Speaker 1: Oh imagine us doing our jobs.
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Speaker 4: And actually looking into the things that are going on
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Speaker 4: in this country. No, they have no curiosity whatsoever. They
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Speaker 4: just go along with the ideology. But of course the
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Speaker 4: ideology as we know when it comes to gender transitioning
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Speaker 4: children in Australia is now well behind the rest of
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Speaker 4: the world. Paulin Hanson pointed this out in her post
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Speaker 4: on x after her fifth attempt failed.
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Speaker 1: She said, why won't they listen?
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Speaker 4: For the fifth time I have stood in the Senate
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Speaker 4: and called for an inquiry into the experimental use of
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Speaker 4: puberty blockers on vulnerable children. Every single time I have
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Speaker 4: asked for an inquiry, it's been because new evidence has
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Speaker 4: come to like showing the risks and harm these treatments
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Speaker 4: posed to kids. This time, even New Zealand has joined
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Speaker 4: the growing list of countries including the UK, Finland and Sweden.
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Speaker 1: Raising the alarm.
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Speaker 4: While other nations are waking up, the Albanezy Labor government
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Speaker 4: and the Greens remain asleep at the wheel, refusing to act.
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Speaker 1: And that is correct.
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Speaker 4: New Zealand is now reviewing its policies around this stuff
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Speaker 4: and is inviting public submissions. Back in March, the NHS,
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Speaker 4: the public Health service in the UK, stopped the use
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Speaker 4: of puberty blockers on children. Denmark did the same thing
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Speaker 4: in September last year. It is changing across the world.
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Speaker 4: The Tavistock Clinic, the biggest gender transition clinic in the UK,
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Speaker 4: has been shut down. This is happening all across the
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Speaker 4: Western world, and yet here in Australia we still continue
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Speaker 4: to use puberty blockers on children and continue on as
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Speaker 4: though there is nothing wrong. How is it that the
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Speaker 4: rest of the world is starting to say and without
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Speaker 4: any issue. I mean, even the New York Times, for
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Speaker 4: heaven's sake, is publishing pieces now about people who regret.
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Speaker 1: Transitioning their gender when they were children.
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Speaker 4: I mean these are stories that two three years ago
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Speaker 4: a paper like The New York Times would never have touched.
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Speaker 4: Now it is a mainstream issue. But here in Australia.
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Speaker 4: It still seems like it's off with the fairies zone.
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Speaker 2: I forget that.
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Speaker 3: The topic that's dominating discussion in the Senate right now
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Speaker 3: is the welfare of children.
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Speaker 2: Our senators have been looking at this bill to.
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Speaker 3: Ban sixteen year olds and younger from looking at social
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Speaker 3: media because we're really concerned about what social media is
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Speaker 3: doing to the mental health of our young people. So
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Speaker 3: you would have thought this is a pretty good time
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Speaker 3: for Pauline Hansen to raise the issue of you know,
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Speaker 3: should our young people be put on puberty blockers and
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Speaker 3: medicalized because of gender ideology? Maybe we should look into
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Speaker 3: that since we're so concerned about the welfare of children,
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Speaker 3: and yet on this issue our senators are entirely incurious,
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Speaker 3: and as you said, Caleb, our senators must be the
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Speaker 3: least curious people on the planet. But sadly it's not
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Speaker 3: a lack of curiosity born of just pure ignorance. It's
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Speaker 3: deliberate in curiosity because they don't want a discussion on
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Speaker 3: the welfare of children and what gender ideology means, because
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Speaker 3: that might lead to a discussion on what is a
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Speaker 3: woman and then the woke mod will be after them
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Speaker 3: if they say what they actually believe, and so they
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Speaker 3: just rather not go there, and they sacrifice our kids
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Speaker 3: so they can hold firm to their ideology and their position.
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Speaker 2: Same is true with babies born alive.
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Speaker 3: We don't want to talk about babies born alive because
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Speaker 3: that would entail.
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Speaker 2: A discussion of late term abortion, and.
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Speaker 3: That might start to get people asking awkward questions about
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Speaker 3: the ethics of abortion. So we'd rather just pretend that
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Speaker 3: these babies born alive aren't really humans because their existence
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Speaker 3: threatens our ideology. Therefore, we will just turn our back
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Speaker 3: on them. It's shameful. It is that they are so
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Speaker 3: incurious about the issues that really matter.
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Speaker 5: But like you say, they're not incurious. They know enough.
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Speaker 2: It's delivered.
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Speaker 5: These things are brought to the Senate, they are told
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Speaker 5: case in point by the person presenting it. In the
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Speaker 5: case of babies born alive post abortion, that was Senator Babett.
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Speaker 5: In this case, this is Pauly J. Hanson's fifth attempt
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Speaker 5: to say we are behind the rest of the world now.
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Speaker 5: And as she just said in that quote that kayleb
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Speaker 5: bred out, every time I bring this again, it's because
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Speaker 5: I have even more proof we are failing our kids.
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Speaker 5: If you really want to protect them. Let's take another
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Speaker 5: step back, by the way, and just ask ourselves why
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Speaker 5: the amount of kids presenting with gender dysphoria. He's over.
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Speaker 5: It's absolutely exploded. It is now two hundred percent what
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Speaker 5: it once was, and even bigger numbers than that are
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Speaker 5: being recorded. This wasn't always the case. How about we
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Speaker 5: ask ourselves where that came from. And let's not forget
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Speaker 5: these guys are ignoring the experts. When the CAST review
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Speaker 5: came out in the UK, there was an emergency stoppage
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Speaker 5: of the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones
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Speaker 5: in the UK basically from that day was less than
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Speaker 5: a month after that the mandate was handed down and
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Speaker 5: they stopped it all together. But here in Australia, child
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Speaker 5: psychiatrists and child pediatricians, child pediatricians that would be an
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Speaker 5: impressive child indeed have been. They've been stood down. They've
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Speaker 5: paid the ultimate price. What you're looking at right now
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Speaker 5: is Gillian Spencer who in June of last year, she's
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Speaker 5: a senior child psychiatrist, she was stood down for raising
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Speaker 5: the alarm of this gender affirming care that means giving
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Speaker 5: drugs to kids that have very real issues around bone density,
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Speaker 5: about chemically carstrating them. That's what some people call it,
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Speaker 5: because it messes with their fertility for the rest of
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Speaker 5: their life. Who knew you can't just press pause on puberty.
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Speaker 5: It simply doesn't work like that. Another legend. Also in
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Speaker 5: June of last year, pediatricians Dylan Wilson shout out for him.
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Speaker 5: He called for an immediate moratorium on the use of
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Speaker 5: puberty blockers. He said, quote, there is no evidence of
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Speaker 5: benefit end quote in terms of prescribing this to children
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Speaker 5: who are struggling with gender dysphoria, and that, in a
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Speaker 5: nutshell was the CAST review's findings. They said, if there's
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Speaker 5: any evidence that these drugs help these kids, it is
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Speaker 5: with quote very low certainty end quote that anyone would
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Speaker 5: even say that. So if anyone wants to make the
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Speaker 5: argument of oh, no, well, it's very heartless to suggest
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Speaker 5: that we wouldn't treat gender dysphoria in this way. No,
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Speaker 5: it is heartless to suggest that we must and that
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Speaker 5: we should just blindly keep doing so despite all the evidence.
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Speaker 5: How many more experts do you have to have screaming
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Speaker 5: about this before? And we're not talking about anything drastic,
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Speaker 5: it's just an inquiry, what do you worry that we'll find?
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Speaker 4: Which is incredible because there is the story out of
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Speaker 4: the US father he's in Texas, his wife's moved to
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Speaker 4: California with their son, twelve year old son, and he's
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Speaker 4: been talking about this for a few years now in
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Speaker 4: the media. Where his wife left took the son with her.
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Speaker 4: The son says that he is now a girl was
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Speaker 4: born James now goes by the name of Luna, and
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Speaker 4: the father, Jeff Younger, says that his wife was essentially
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Speaker 4: trying to transition their child from a very young age.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's saying that she was trying to transition
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Speaker 4: him from the age of two and wanted to get
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Speaker 4: him into a gender clinic.
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Speaker 1: At the age of five.
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Speaker 4: But this case has now run through a court in
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Speaker 4: California where she went to in Los Angeles, and it
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Speaker 4: said that the mother will now have full custody of
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Speaker 4: their son, which essentially gives her the right to then
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Speaker 4: go off and transition her son. And you can imagine
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Speaker 4: what the father, Jeff Younger thinks of all this. He says,
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Speaker 4: I lost all parental rights to my son. Goodbye, boys,
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Speaker 4: Perhaps we will meet you when you are adults. California judge,
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Speaker 4: you ha gave my ex wife authority to car straight
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Speaker 4: my son James. All contact with my boys must be supervised.
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Speaker 4: I won't do that. I send letters and gifts to
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Speaker 4: my sons, my ex is not required to give them
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Speaker 4: to the boys. I cannot post pictures of my sons.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what an.
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Speaker 4: Absurd situation where a judge is now making a decision
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Speaker 4: about what is medically good for a child when there
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Speaker 4: is clear disagreement between two parents. But again, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's a case where someone else gets to step in
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Speaker 4: and say, well, I'm telling you how your child ought
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Speaker 4: to be parented. This is something for the parents to
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Speaker 4: deal with. They can go and seek arbitration or whatever.
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Speaker 4: But of course, if a court decides that they're on
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Speaker 4: one person side over the other because they have a
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Speaker 4: particular ideological bent, which is often what happens in these.
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Speaker 1: Sorts of cases.
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Speaker 4: There goes a child having irrevocable changes made to their
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Speaker 4: body via medication.
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Speaker 3: And that does seem to be the issue in this
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Speaker 3: instance where it seems like the mother does have an
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Speaker 3: ideological bent because from the age of two she maintained
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Speaker 3: that James was actually a girl. Because James had expressed
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Speaker 3: an interest in girls' clothes, and she had started down
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Speaker 3: the road of transitioning. And this is a clue as
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Speaker 3: to why things are so polarized in the US, because
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Speaker 3: in Texas she wasn't allowed to go and get this
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Speaker 3: child transitioned.
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Speaker 2: So she just moved to California.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, where now she's protected as she goes to transition
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Speaker 3: the child against the father's wishes.
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Speaker 2: But just quickly back to the Australian Senate.
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Speaker 3: We've got a situation this week where our senators are
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Speaker 3: saying little Sally can't go on Instagram because it's far
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Speaker 3: too dangerous for Sally to go on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: But it's fine for Sally to.
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Speaker 3: Have puberty blockers which will stop her developing breasts.
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Speaker 2: That's absolutely okay.
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Speaker 5: She can never bear children, and.
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Speaker 2: We're supposed to take these people as serious.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome to Australia, where if you're under sixteen you
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Speaker 5: can change your gender, change your sex. We're more than
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Speaker 5: happy for you to believe that if you're a boy,
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Speaker 5: you can be a girl and vice versa. But no
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Speaker 5: Facebook for you, little man, little woman. I mean, how
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Speaker 5: bizarre this is? Clown world, Ladies and gentlemen. But let's
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Speaker 5: go to Scotland now, where even more clown world. The
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Speaker 5: question of what is a woman has made its way
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Speaker 5: all the way to the Supreme Court in London. Get
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Speaker 5: this headline. The SMP led government, that's the Scottish National
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Speaker 5: Party are insisting that a trans woman is a woman
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Speaker 5: for the purposes of the UK Equalities Act. Now, this
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Speaker 5: first kicked off when a feminist group by the name
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Speaker 5: of Four Women's Scotland said, look, you've got this act.
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Speaker 5: It's called the Gender Representation of Public Boards Act, which
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Speaker 5: was designed to make boards fifty to fifty in terms
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Speaker 5: of male female representation. But in that act their SNP
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Speaker 5: government defined a woman as quote anyone living as a
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Speaker 5: woman end quote. Well FWS wasn't taking this sitting down,
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Speaker 5: and they successfully, they met with success in the courts
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Speaker 5: when they took the government to court, saying well, hang
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Speaker 5: on a minute, this flies in the face of Westminster
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Speaker 5: laws that define a woman a bit differently. So what
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Speaker 5: are you going to do about that? So on and
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Speaker 5: so forth. Now we find ourselves in the Supreme Court,
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Speaker 5: Well we will tomorrow. So you'll have the Scottish government
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Speaker 5: arguing that anyone who says they're a woman is a woman.
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Speaker 5: Anyone with a gender recognition certificate, because we all know
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Speaker 5: a piece of paper can change chromosomes. Ladies and gentlemen.
19:56
Speaker 5: This is the twenty first century. What a wonder. They
19:59
Speaker 5: will argue that anyone they say is a woman is
20:02
Speaker 5: a woman, and fws are there to bring the case
20:06
Speaker 5: saying no, they aren't. The representative from the Feminist Group,
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Speaker 5: Susan Smith, told The Daily Mail, if we win, then
20:16
Speaker 5: we get a very clear cut idea who is protected
20:19
Speaker 5: and when. If we lose, it would make it almost
20:23
Speaker 5: impossible to keep a lot of spaces and services female
20:27
Speaker 5: only or indeed male only, and Westminster will have a
20:31
Speaker 5: real mess to untangle. Susan Smith makes the very apt
20:36
Speaker 5: point that you can't get a certificate to say that
20:39
Speaker 5: you have a disability you don't. Heck, we'd all have
20:42
Speaker 5: acron stickers. Who doesn't want those roomy parts. You can't
20:46
Speaker 5: get a certificate to say you're a different age than
20:49
Speaker 5: you are. Sure a lot of ladies would make use
20:51
Speaker 5: of that, wouldn't we if we could? But why then?
20:55
Speaker 5: And this is what the Feminist group is saying. You
20:59
Speaker 5: guys sitting in your ivory tower making laws for the
21:03
Speaker 5: rest of us now have to answer the question why
21:07
Speaker 5: is sex protected in the first place? Like these other categories,
21:11
Speaker 5: we have different advantage, not advantages, but different laws pertaining
21:16
Speaker 5: to pensioners because they need different kinds of help and assistance.
21:20
Speaker 5: Those with disability they get different kind of help, assistants, etc.
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Speaker 1: So on.
21:27
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see the outcome of this.
21:29
Speaker 3: The feminist group are absolutely correct, and I said this
21:32
Speaker 3: last night, that you've got to answer this fundamental question.
21:35
Speaker 3: Is a woman defined biologically or is it defined by
21:39
Speaker 3: the bureaucracy. Once you answer that question, everything flows from there.
21:44
Speaker 3: But of course what a woman is cannot be defined
21:47
Speaker 3: by the bureaucracy because it will be the opposite of biology,
21:50
Speaker 3: and you can't have in law unreality that everybody knows
21:54
Speaker 3: is simply not true. So it'll be interesting to see
21:57
Speaker 3: whether the court have the curry to rule on this
22:01
Speaker 3: as we know they ought, or whether they'll find some
22:04
Speaker 3: sort of you know, reason to duck and weave and
22:08
Speaker 3: leave room for a bureaucratic definition to remain in law
22:12
Speaker 3: so that they don't upset a very small segment of
22:14
Speaker 3: the population.
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Speaker 4: But this is the crazy thing, right, is that it
22:18
Speaker 4: is now actually up to a court to decide what
22:21
Speaker 4: a woman is. I mean when you were at school, James. Heck,
22:24
Speaker 4: even when I was at school, which was a little
22:25
Speaker 4: after you were at school. If I had been asked,
22:29
Speaker 4: you know, year five, yor four or whatever.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
22:33
Speaker 4: Right down, little Caleb, what is going to happen in
22:35
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four?
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Speaker 1: If I had written down to go into the little
22:39
Speaker 1: lock box, a court will rule on what a woman is?
22:43
Speaker 4: The teacher would have, mate, you are absolutely bonkers.
22:47
Speaker 1: What the hell are you on about? And yet that's
22:50
Speaker 1: now reality.
22:50
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, that courts are being asked to
22:53
Speaker 4: ask to answer such simple questions as what is a woman?
22:58
Speaker 2: Now?
22:58
Speaker 4: Politicians, as we know, have struggled to answer the question,
23:01
Speaker 4: so no doubt the court will struggle to do so
23:04
Speaker 4: as well, because everyone gets so caught up in the ideology.
23:07
Speaker 4: I mean, it shouldn't have to be a question of
23:10
Speaker 4: the law or a court what a woman is. It's
23:14
Speaker 4: just self evident to anyone who has a few brain
23:17
Speaker 4: cells to rab together. You can argue that, oh, you
23:20
Speaker 4: know this is a woman. We all know what the
23:22
Speaker 4: biology is. Just go and talk to a biologist. I
23:25
Speaker 4: mean sack all the judges. Let's just put biologists in charge.
23:28
Speaker 5: You will you imagine these five justices? I mean to
23:31
Speaker 5: be a Supreme Court justice UK or anywhere. These guys
23:36
Speaker 5: are literal. As a former law a student, you live
23:39
Speaker 5: in awe of them. They are walking, talking encyclopedias of law.
23:44
Speaker 5: They are incredible. Can you imagine them? Oh my gosh,
23:48
Speaker 5: just going Are you kidding me? This is what I
23:50
Speaker 5: studied for years and years. I fought cases, I built
23:55
Speaker 5: my reputation.
23:56
Speaker 2: I have now.
23:56
Speaker 5: Reached the peak of my career and you're getting the
24:01
Speaker 5: five of us to sit down and decide whether someone
24:05
Speaker 5: with a piece of paper who says they're a woman
24:07
Speaker 5: but biologically is not, is a woman or.
24:10
Speaker 3: Not the man Scottish government are actually going to argue
24:14
Speaker 3: that women can die of testicular cancer, men can be pregnant,
24:17
Speaker 3: two men can be lesbians. You've got to give credit
24:19
Speaker 3: here to someone who doesn't get enough credit, and that
24:21
Speaker 3: is Moses, who thousands of years ago, in the Book
24:23
Speaker 3: of Genesis wrote God created the male and female, which
24:27
Speaker 3: I always thought was kind of a redundant thing.
24:28
Speaker 2: To say that he was ahead of the game.
24:30
Speaker 3: He knew what was coming and made a very profound shavement.
24:34
Speaker 4: Can I be a lesbian is what you're saying.
24:37
Speaker 3: Least in the Scottish government, you would well be within
24:39
Speaker 3: your rights to be a lesbian.
24:40
Speaker 1: Cour Surely that's worth a ten percent pay rise. I mean,
24:43
Speaker 1: there's going to be something. There's going to be something
24:45
Speaker 1: I can get for claiming I'm a lesbian.
24:48
Speaker 3: Let's come back to Australia, where welcome to country, of
24:51
Speaker 3: course is ubiquitous. Everywhere you go there's a welcome to country.
24:54
Speaker 3: If I was ever called upon to give a welcome
24:57
Speaker 3: to country, I reckon I would keep it short, and
25:00
Speaker 3: because you would be aware, a lot of people don't
25:02
Speaker 3: like it.
25:03
Speaker 2: A lot of people say.
25:03
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be done at all, So i'd call I'd
25:06
Speaker 3: keep it brief, I'd keep it concise. I certainly wouldn't
25:09
Speaker 3: preach your lecture. I certainly wouldn't say stupid things, and
25:12
Speaker 3: I'd try really hard not to be divisive. I reckon
25:16
Speaker 3: most people would understand. Just do that, and you'll be
25:19
Speaker 3: allowed to keep doing it. Unfortunately, those who do welcome
25:22
Speaker 3: to country keep taking liberties, such as the lady who
25:26
Speaker 3: gave her welcome to country on Sunday at Sydney's Hyde
25:29
Speaker 3: Park as they celebrated the ninetieth anniversary of the Anzac Memorial.
25:34
Speaker 3: She gave a welcome to country that wore out.
25:36
Speaker 2: It's welcome.
25:37
Speaker 3: She went for nine minutes. She talked repeatedly about how
25:41
Speaker 3: this is my country. She talked about how she was
25:44
Speaker 3: not going anywhere, and she told those present to listen
25:48
Speaker 3: to the breeze because the breeze will.
25:50
Speaker 2: Speak to you.
25:50
Speaker 3: Sidney Radio's Ben Fordham broke down the nine minute speech
25:54
Speaker 3: and will listen.
25:56
Speaker 6: In the first minute, everyone was welcomed. In the second minute,
26:00
Speaker 6: we had thank you for the Land Council.
26:02
Speaker 4: I would just like to let you know I always
26:04
Speaker 4: acknowledge the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council.
26:08
Speaker 6: Three minutes in acknowledgments of traditional owners. Four minutes in family.
26:13
Speaker 1: Stories, This is gad equal country.
26:17
Speaker 6: Five minutes in we heard about bloodlines.
26:19
Speaker 1: My bloodline is here to stay.
26:21
Speaker 6: Six minutes in there was a reminder.
26:23
Speaker 5: Always was and always will be Haveboriginal land.
26:28
Speaker 6: Seven minutes in we heard about taking responsibility. Eight minutes
26:32
Speaker 6: in we were told about the importance of listening.
26:34
Speaker 5: You listen to the breeze because the breeze talks.
26:39
Speaker 6: To you, and after nine long minutes it wrapped up
26:42
Speaker 6: with another welcome.
26:44
Speaker 3: Could you imagine going along to an event. I'm sure
26:47
Speaker 3: there's going to be a Welcome to Country, so you
26:48
Speaker 3: think it's going to be you know, ninety seconds, maybe
26:51
Speaker 3: two minutes, and it's still going after eight and a
26:54
Speaker 3: half minutes. One of the problems with Welcome to Country
26:57
Speaker 3: is you get events, whether it's an AFL final or
27:01
Speaker 3: a ceremony like they had at Hyde Park, and you
27:04
Speaker 3: get people given a platform who, under any other circumstances
27:07
Speaker 3: would never be given a platform, they would never be
27:10
Speaker 3: given a microphone. But they not only receive a platform,
27:13
Speaker 3: they receive respect and they cannot be criticized by virtue
27:17
Speaker 3: of nothing.
27:18
Speaker 2: More than their race.
27:20
Speaker 3: And then they're able to command the attention of everybody
27:23
Speaker 3: for as long as they like, and you can't criticize them.
27:26
Speaker 3: And instead of taking this as I suppose, an honor
27:30
Speaker 3: or a privilege, it seems like some people, not all,
27:34
Speaker 3: but some take it as an entitlement. Remember the AFL
27:37
Speaker 3: semi final between GWS and the Brisbane Lines.
27:41
Speaker 2: I was at that game and.
27:42
Speaker 3: A guy got up and he told the crowd that
27:44
Speaker 3: Welcome the Country was never designed for white people, and
27:48
Speaker 3: he talked about how indigenous folk had been in this
27:50
Speaker 3: country for two hundred and fifty thousand years.
27:53
Speaker 2: BC before Cook. And he went on and on and on,
27:58
Speaker 2: and he got a lot of criticism. Next day. His
28:01
Speaker 2: response to the criticism, he.
28:03
Speaker 3: Said, and he told the media my only regret, I
28:06
Speaker 3: wish I'd gone longer.
28:07
Speaker 4: Well, of course you would, you know, honestly, have they
28:10
Speaker 4: not realized that we voted no to the Voice sixty forty.
28:14
Speaker 1: Last year, like we rejected this stuff. We don't want
28:16
Speaker 1: this stuff anymore.
28:18
Speaker 4: I just wish Marshall Langton was right when she said that,
28:20
Speaker 4: you know, if the Voice gets voted down, there'll never
28:23
Speaker 4: be another Welcome to Country.
28:25
Speaker 1: I was hanging on for that one, though. You said,
28:28
Speaker 1: if you ever asked to.
28:29
Speaker 4: Give a welcome to country, this is the version you
28:31
Speaker 4: would give. The best one I've ever heard was oh jeseus.
28:36
Speaker 4: Going back nearly ten years ago now, I think it
28:38
Speaker 4: was Amanda Blair, who our Adelaide viewers will know, was
28:44
Speaker 4: m seeing the Advertiser Food Awards, which was on the
28:46
Speaker 4: top floor of the Advertiser building in Adelaide, and she
28:50
Speaker 4: opened proceedings by saying I would like to acknowledge the
28:52
Speaker 4: traditional land of the owners on which we meet tonight,
28:56
Speaker 4: the Murdoch family, and of course the place erupted laughter
29:00
Speaker 4: as you want.
29:01
Speaker 1: It's a good joke. But of course one of.
29:03
Speaker 4: The award recipient's, Jockson Pillow, who is no longer on
29:06
Speaker 4: this earth.
29:07
Speaker 1: Complained about it.
29:09
Speaker 4: He sent one of his lackeys down to accept the
29:11
Speaker 4: award and then posted on Twitter complaining and saying, oh.
29:14
Speaker 1: How dare they do that? That's so racist? I mean, honest,
29:18
Speaker 1: you know.
29:18
Speaker 3: Over when towns Will had their first of a V
29:20
Speaker 3: eight supercar race, I was asked by Channel seven to
29:23
Speaker 3: stand on the front row of the grid and pray
29:26
Speaker 3: before the race. And I'm a fully aware of most
29:29
Speaker 3: of the people. They're all drunk by the time the
29:31
Speaker 3: race about stuff. They don't want to hear some Christian
29:33
Speaker 3: get up and pray. So I time my prayer twenty
29:36
Speaker 3: five seconds.
29:37
Speaker 2: That's all I pray.
29:38
Speaker 3: I'm going to pray along in that no one want
29:39
Speaker 3: to hear a prayer long in that. It also made
29:42
Speaker 3: a difference because I was told that at thirty seconds
29:44
Speaker 3: the cars will start their engines and no one will
29:46
Speaker 3: hear a word you say. After that, but I was
29:48
Speaker 3: very aware it was a privilege to be invited to
29:51
Speaker 3: speak at the beginning of that event, which had really
29:54
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the prayer, in the same way
29:56
Speaker 3: that most events have nothing to do with a welcome
29:58
Speaker 3: to country.
29:59
Speaker 2: If you're asked to do it, then I think respect
30:01
Speaker 2: the fact that somebody else.
30:03
Speaker 5: Was she not told, perhaps even not her faults or
30:07
Speaker 5: we all know the extortion money that they're paid for
30:10
Speaker 5: these welcome to countries. So maybe she was my cay
30:14
Speaker 5: for this ten k. Let's assume for this ten k,
30:17
Speaker 5: I'll give them a good ten minutes. Maybe she thought
30:20
Speaker 5: she was being generous, But what was gross to me
30:23
Speaker 5: about this was just the fact that any other if
30:28
Speaker 5: this was the opening of an envelope or some new
30:31
Speaker 5: building in the CB to go, I couldn't give a rat.
30:34
Speaker 5: But this was about the ANZAC Memorial, the ninetieth anniversary
30:39
Speaker 5: in Hyde Park. How dare you make it about anything
30:44
Speaker 5: else but that? That is what absolutely makes me live.
30:49
Speaker 5: The last ANZAC service I went to, every single speaker
30:54
Speaker 5: did acknowledgment of country before they gave their address, and
30:58
Speaker 5: I was like, for crying out loud, can we just
31:01
Speaker 5: have one at the beginning you've touched the box. No,
31:05
Speaker 5: every single one of them felt it. The moment called
31:09
Speaker 5: for it. It's perpetuating though, right ceremonies where you're not
31:13
Speaker 5: keeping the main thing. The main thing is I was
31:16
Speaker 5: about to run up on stage, grab that much and bluff.
31:20
Speaker 3: First nine speakers and you're speaking number four and the
31:22
Speaker 3: first one does it, the second one does it, the
31:24
Speaker 3: third one.
31:25
Speaker 2: You can't not do it, otherwise you're resue.
31:28
Speaker 1: You should. You should. A made of mine did that.
31:31
Speaker 4: He's on a big investment board and he was asked
31:36
Speaker 4: to give one at the AGM and he said, no,
31:38
Speaker 4: I'm not doing it, And good on. More of us
31:40
Speaker 4: need to do stuff like that to some good years
31:42
Speaker 4: now and ev manufacturer in Europe has fallen over. Now
31:47
Speaker 4: they don't actually manufacture the cars. They manufacture the batteries
31:51
Speaker 4: that go into the cars.
31:52
Speaker 1: Remember the good old days of top Gear.
31:55
Speaker 4: I'm talking the real top gear Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond James,
32:00
Speaker 4: if they were still going in their original form. This
32:03
Speaker 4: is how top Gear would have responded to that news.
32:06
Speaker 3: Oh bad news, What the Dacia Sandero it's delayed?
32:10
Speaker 1: Oh no, anyway, last week anyway.
32:14
Speaker 4: Indeed, this Swedish manufacturer, north Vault, has filed for bankruptcy
32:19
Speaker 4: in the US. They say they've only got a week's
32:21
Speaker 4: worth of money left and so they are in rather
32:24
Speaker 4: a bit of trouble. Now, this company was thought to
32:27
Speaker 4: be the great Dwhite hope for EV manufacturing in Europe.
32:32
Speaker 4: It would allow them to take on China, because of
32:34
Speaker 4: course China's been going one hundred miles an hour in
32:37
Speaker 4: terms of evs. But no, it turns out because people
32:40
Speaker 4: actually don't want to buy these things, especially at the
32:43
Speaker 4: prices they're trying to sell them for.
32:45
Speaker 1: They just can't make enough money to make the batteries.
32:48
Speaker 4: Reutter's reported that north Vault transformed in a matter of
32:51
Speaker 4: months from Europe's best shot at a homegrown electric vehicle
32:54
Speaker 4: battery champion to a company struggling to stay afloat by
32:58
Speaker 4: slimming down, hobbled by production problems, the loss of a
33:01
Speaker 4: major customer and a lack of funding.
33:04
Speaker 1: Is it not just more proof.
33:06
Speaker 4: That the EV dream we've been sold is a load
33:09
Speaker 4: of bunkum and caleb.
33:10
Speaker 3: They were so close to making it in business. I
33:12
Speaker 3: mean they have thirty million dollars cash in the bank,
33:15
Speaker 3: which is enough to pay their six thousand, six hundred
33:18
Speaker 3: staff for a week. They've only got five point eight
33:21
Speaker 3: billion dollars in debt, so they were absolutely holding out
33:26
Speaker 3: of trouble. Eighty five percent of EV batteries come from China,
33:32
Speaker 3: and with the collapse of this country, China absolutely have
33:36
Speaker 3: a huge share of the market. So our reliance on
33:40
Speaker 3: China continues. And that's the problem here. And it's not
33:43
Speaker 3: just EV batteries, it's pretty much everything. If China pulled
33:47
Speaker 3: the pin, we don't function.
33:49
Speaker 5: One China is loving it. Another one down more for
33:54
Speaker 5: us to South Australia now where only counsel has decided. Look,
33:59
Speaker 5: the cost of living crisis is not hitting our residents
34:02
Speaker 5: hard enough. How can we make life more unlivable? I know,
34:07
Speaker 5: let's charge people more for parking.
34:10
Speaker 1: Get this.
34:11
Speaker 5: They have approved a one hundred and fifty five dollar
34:15
Speaker 5: permit price hike for residents with no off street parking.
34:21
Speaker 5: Can you believe this? Other changes proposed include scrapping hourly
34:26
Speaker 5: and daily business parking permits in favor of an annual
34:29
Speaker 5: business parking permit at a cost of one thousand and
34:34
Speaker 5: forty dollars per year, and increases to time limit exemption permits.
34:39
Speaker 5: When are people going to just go This is pure
34:43
Speaker 5: revenue raising. We already pay our rates. This is utterly ridiculous.
34:48
Speaker 5: I would have thought if you're going to see something
34:50
Speaker 5: like this happen, it would be more like in Sydney,
34:52
Speaker 5: we're parking anywhere is a blood sport and guess who's
34:57
Speaker 5: good at it. But South Australia, this is obviously just
35:02
Speaker 5: a revenue raising, money grab to make life more unlivable.
35:06
Speaker 3: To park outside your own home. That from forty five
35:09
Speaker 3: dollars to two hundred, it's a three hundred and forty
35:12
Speaker 3: four percent rise, And the way they've justified it, I
35:15
Speaker 3: loved this, Caleb. They said, well, we did a benchmarking exercise,
35:19
Speaker 3: which means they went to other councils and had look
35:21
Speaker 3: at what they're charging and then use that to justify
35:24
Speaker 3: a three hundred and forty four percent rise in the
35:27
Speaker 3: middle of a cost of living crisis, which allows them
35:30
Speaker 3: to take zero responsibility. So you get every council in
35:33
Speaker 3: South Australia all pointing at each other, which means it's
35:36
Speaker 3: no one's fault. Residents have no argument. But this is
35:39
Speaker 3: the same council that put forty kilometer in our speed
35:42
Speaker 3: limits throughout the region, that charges you higher rates if
35:46
Speaker 3: you don't have enough trees on your property. It's the
35:49
Speaker 3: same council that stopped celebrating Australia Day, only then think oh,
35:54
Speaker 3: maybe we should survey residents, after which they decided to
35:57
Speaker 3: reinstate Australia Day celebrations. This is a council that don't
36:01
Speaker 3: seem to be able to get anything right, but to
36:03
Speaker 3: be charged two hundred bucks to park outside your own home.
36:07
Speaker 2: Council don't own the streets.
36:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this permit type is specifically for people who
36:12
Speaker 4: do not have any parking on their premises. So it's
36:15
Speaker 4: actually cheaper to get a parking permit if you have
36:18
Speaker 4: a driveway in which to park than if you don't
36:21
Speaker 4: actually have a parking space in your house. It is
36:24
Speaker 4: just insane, and quickly before we go, while we're talking
36:26
Speaker 4: about nonsense decisions from councils, the Sunshine Coast Council have
36:31
Speaker 4: to get the nay for the day along with anley
36:33
Speaker 4: up in Queensland.
36:34
Speaker 1: This mob.
36:35
Speaker 4: Of course, they've canceled their midnight fireworks on New Year's Eve.
36:39
Speaker 4: It saves them a pidly fifty three thousand dollars right.
36:43
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a council with a budget of
36:46
Speaker 4: about six hundred odd million dollars and they can't spend
36:50
Speaker 4: fifty three thousand dollars on their New Year's Eve fireworks
36:53
Speaker 4: because they say it is neither a prude nor financially
36:56
Speaker 4: responsible use of rate payers funds. So you get the
37:01
Speaker 4: nine pm ones for them.
37:03
Speaker 1: Oh, ain't even better, But they can't have the midnight fight.
37:06
Speaker 4: It's not you easy fireworks if you don't have the
37:10
Speaker 4: fireworks at midnight when it actually becomes.
37:13
Speaker 5: The New Year.
37:14
Speaker 4: I mean, imagine being such an enemy of joy that
37:16
Speaker 4: you save fifty three k on the fireworks.
37:19
Speaker 5: And in a party town like the Gold Coast without
37:22
Speaker 5: Sunshine not sorry, well both of them. This is where
37:26
Speaker 5: people actually go to spend their Christmas holidays to see
37:30
Speaker 5: the New year in. Sorry guys, it's in keeping with.
37:33
Speaker 2: The Sunshine Coast.
37:34
Speaker 3: If you can try and get a meal on the
37:35
Speaker 3: Sunshine Coast beach strip after nine o'clock, you can't find
37:38
Speaker 3: a kitchen that's open. So I'm not surprised about the
37:41
Speaker 3: fireworks on New Years ZF. We're going to go to
37:42
Speaker 3: a break when we come back. Well, look at what's
37:44
Speaker 3: making news tomorrow, including a convicted murderer let out of
37:48
Speaker 3: maximum security so she can undergo IVF treatment that's coming
37:52
Speaker 3: up in this moment.
37:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
37:56
Speaker 3: Well, we've got all tomorrow's front pages and there are
37:59
Speaker 3: some crap stories tomorrow. Caleb, you've got The Herald's Son.
38:02
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting front page.
38:04
Speaker 4: Oh my god, take a look at this one. And
38:07
Speaker 4: before I read you this story, you have a look
38:09
Speaker 4: at the bird that we're talking about here. She's the
38:12
Speaker 4: sort of one you'd want to take home to your mother,
38:14
Speaker 4: isn't she?
38:14
Speaker 1: Murderer let out for I the.
38:18
Speaker 4: F A convicted murderer who stabbed a mother to death
38:21
Speaker 4: over fifty dollars, has been given the green light to
38:24
Speaker 4: be released from a Victorian maximum security prison to undergo
38:29
Speaker 4: IVF treatment. I can't believe I'm reading this. Alicia Schiller
38:32
Speaker 4: has been approved by authorities to receive the self funded
38:35
Speaker 4: fertility treatment while an inmate at Dame Phyllis Frost Center
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Speaker 4: in Melbourne's West. A great exclusive from Brook, Rubert Craig
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Speaker 4: and Mark Butler. There to my old colleagues at The
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Speaker 4: Herald's Son.
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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, the father of the woman who.
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Speaker 4: Was killed ain't happy about this. He says, I don't
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Speaker 4: think it's the right thing.
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Speaker 1: To give her a child.
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Speaker 4: It's not fair, which I would say is the understatement
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Speaker 4: of the scene. I mean, I thought there was the
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Speaker 4: idea of being sent to prison is that you lose
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Speaker 4: some of your rights because you're repaying your debts to
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Speaker 4: society and we're punishing you for the things that you
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Speaker 4: have done, and so that involves you not having the
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Speaker 4: same rights as someone who is walking freely around Australia
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Speaker 4: or Victoria in this case apparently not. You decide, as
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Speaker 4: someone who's killed a mother that you want to become
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Speaker 4: a mother now worries, you can go to the hospital
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Speaker 4: get IVF serious.
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Speaker 3: The president for this decision comes from twenty ten where
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Speaker 3: a woman named Kimberly Castles, who was serving in a
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Speaker 3: minimum security prison in Victoria for fraud. She wanted the
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Speaker 3: same thing, wanted IVF treatment and it went to the
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court of Victoria ruled IVF
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Speaker 3: is a legitimate medical treatment for a legitimate medical condition,
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Speaker 3: the same as any other condition, and therefore, on that
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Speaker 3: basis she was allowed to go from minimum security back
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Speaker 3: and forwards to have IVF treatment. So that's the precedent
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Speaker 3: that has allowed this one.
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Speaker 5: It's seen as it's totally different cases. This is the
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Speaker 5: woman who has stabbed another woman to death.
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Speaker 3: But they're saying, if she had cancer, she'd be allowed
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Speaker 3: to go and get chemo.
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Speaker 5: Oh every cancer pation.
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Speaker 2: I know, but that's what the Supreme claimers IVF. I'm
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Speaker 2: just saying, that's what the Supreme Court decided back in twelve.
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Speaker 5: Eyes to nonsense. This is the kind of person you
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Speaker 5: want to withdraw from the gene, Paul, we do not
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Speaker 5: want you to procreate. For crying out loud, I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is this This boggles my mind because if she
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Speaker 5: had been a mother, say she had a newborn at
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Speaker 5: the time she committed this crime and was sentenced to jail.
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Speaker 5: I don't know how long her sentence is, but it
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Speaker 5: better be bloody long. I know this is Victoria we're
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Speaker 5: speaking about. Talk about her only in Victoria's story. But
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Speaker 5: so let's say that she had a child, got sent
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Speaker 5: to prison for crime. What you're going to be in
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Speaker 5: there for Let's say at least ten years. I'm just
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Speaker 5: making that up off the top of my head. By
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Speaker 5: the way, for at least ten years. So why would
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Speaker 5: be co implicate matters when you would have been locked
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Speaker 5: up away from that child anyway, and you will be
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Speaker 5: again depending on how long your sentence is. You're going
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Speaker 5: to be pregnant for nine months. If the IVF succeeds,
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Speaker 5: then you're going to have a baby in prison. And
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Speaker 5: then what the baby stays in prison with you?
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Speaker 4: I don't think so well, it's probably what you'll appoint
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Speaker 4: the poor the poor kid in this That's who I
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Speaker 4: really feel for, is that is the potential kid in
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Speaker 4: this situation, having to be brought to the world in
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Speaker 4: that circumstance. The whole thing is just disgustingly insane. Another
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Speaker 4: story on the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow. Dad
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Speaker 4: question will not count. Of course, we were telling you
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Speaker 4: last week about at least touchy exams in Victoria where
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Speaker 4: the answers to questions have been leaked. A compromise question
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Speaker 4: in the VCE Economics exam is not expected to be counted,
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Speaker 4: triggering the prospect that answers in many more exams could
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Speaker 4: also not be marked. The three six hundred students who
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Speaker 4: sat the twenty twenty four economics exam we left confused
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Speaker 4: by the first multiple choice question.
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Speaker 1: Now, I think this is exactly what I.
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Speaker 4: Said last week is probably what they would do, which
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Speaker 4: is to just strike out the question and say, okay,
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Speaker 4: well that one doesn't count.
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Speaker 1: But as I pointed out at the time, that.
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Speaker 4: Also you could say that's the fairest option, but it
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Speaker 4: also disadvantage as a student who had not previously read
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Speaker 4: these leaked answers and got the question right. And perhaps
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Speaker 4: that was one of the few questions they actually got
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Speaker 4: right in the exam, and the difference between a past
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Speaker 4: mark or not was that question, and now it's been removed.
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Speaker 3: The crazy thing about this dud question is that originally
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Speaker 3: the question was leaked and so they rewrote the question,
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Speaker 3: and so this question that is now being scrapped was
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Speaker 3: the rewritten question to replace the linked question.
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Speaker 2: But it was rewritten so badly they can't included.
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Speaker 3: And it's not the first time that the Economics Examine
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Speaker 3: Victoria has been compromised with questions that were.
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Speaker 2: So bad they had to discount them. But it happened. It's
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty eighteen as well.
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Speaker 4: Just look at the government books in Victoria. No running
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Speaker 4: the example.
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Speaker 5: This is a stalling system. They've all come through, So yeah, no,
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Speaker 5: it makes sense to the front page of the odds Now,
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Speaker 5: Serpent and a total croc emails expose collusion that this
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Speaker 5: is one of those truth is Stranger than Fiction stories. Academic,
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Speaker 5: legal and activist figures in the Feld Environmental Defenders Office
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Speaker 5: bid to suttle a five point eight billion dollar gas
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Speaker 5: field near the Tewe Islands, concocted a rainbow, serpent and
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Speaker 5: crocodile man songline map based on guesswork and minimal consultation
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Speaker 5: with indigenous leaders. According to court documents, The article goes
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Speaker 5: on to denote several of these bullet points. I won't
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Speaker 5: read you the more, but some of them are genuinely hilarious.
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Speaker 5: The federal court documents reveal University of Western Australia marine
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Speaker 5: geoscientists Michael O'Leary send his expert report to the IDIO
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Speaker 5: lawyers for edits to ensure it quote meets your expectations
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Speaker 5: end quote. Doctor O'Leary, who described himself as quote just
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Speaker 5: a white fella end quote, was open to moving the
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Speaker 5: rainbow serpent where it seems most culturally appropriate. These these
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Speaker 5: bullet points go on and on and on. It is
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Speaker 5: absolutely unbelievable. What has been uncovered about this, Like we
44:41
Speaker 5: weren't already very sus when major projects get booted because
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Speaker 5: someone in the indigenous community is like, well, excuse me,
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Speaker 5: this is this is sacred land for these reasons, et cetera,
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Speaker 5: and so on. Now we've got the environmental devendors offers
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Speaker 5: caught in the act.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't it just show how confident they are though, that
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Speaker 3: they can say whatever they like and everyone will be
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Speaker 3: reticent to criticize lest you're accused of, you know, being
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Speaker 3: insensitive to Indigenous people or.
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Speaker 2: Racist or whatever.
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Speaker 3: The fact they were prepared to put forward such bald
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Speaker 3: face lies and did it with a straight face says
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Speaker 3: a lot about the environment we're currently living in.
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Speaker 2: It's got to the.
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Speaker 3: Front page of the Daily Telegraph. I cannot believe this story.
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Speaker 3: Rates for Rising Tide is the headline. Lord Mayor Clovermore's
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Speaker 3: City of Sydney Council will donate twenty two thousand dollars
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Speaker 3: of ratepayers money, as if the council have any other
45:36
Speaker 3: kind of money to Rising Tide. That's an environmental group
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Speaker 3: that broke the law over the weekend blocking shipping lanes
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Speaker 3: in Newcastle. Rate Payers in the city of city are
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Speaker 3: going to give twenty two grand to help rising tide
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Speaker 3: cover costs for more than one hundred and seventy people
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Speaker 3: who were arrested at the Port of Newcastle protest.
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Speaker 2: This is absolutely outrageous.
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Speaker 3: This has got nothing to do with you know, Serve
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Speaker 3: seeing the ratepayers of the City of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: This is purely the city.
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Speaker 3: Council using ratepayers money to pay for their own ideological fetish.
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Speaker 3: And what's more interesting is you've got a couple of
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Speaker 3: Labor council members going against the men's government who tried
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Speaker 3: to block the protest. They're going to spend money getting
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Speaker 3: protesters out on bail.
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Speaker 4: I presume reason six and forty seven to abolish councils,
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Speaker 4: right right, We're.
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Speaker 2: Going to go to a break.
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Speaker 3: When we come back, there's a museum in this country
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Speaker 3: teaching people that rocks can have sexual preferences and genders.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up at a moment. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, of all the stories we've done tonight, Kayla Ericon,
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Speaker 3: this one is the strangest.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: This comes thanks to later bade viewer Emily Shipway, who
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Speaker 4: emailed this one in she took her little kiddlywink down
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Speaker 4: to the South Australian Museum and thought they'd have a
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Speaker 4: look at some of the rocks and crystals, et cetera,
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Speaker 4: and came along something quite strange. Now, I'm going to
46:59
Speaker 4: be down in Adelaide next week for the cricket, so
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Speaker 4: I'm going to go and check this out for myself.
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Speaker 4: But you can see here the display. In this case,
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Speaker 4: you've got Chien and rose courts up the top. It's
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Speaker 4: got bisexual written next to it. For some reason, amethys
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Speaker 4: geode says asexual whatever.
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Speaker 1: That's about.
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Speaker 4: The corresponding flag, the flag for it flu right says
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Speaker 4: non binary. You've got what's the one above it, a
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Speaker 4: tormalne that says gender fluid. With the gender fluid flag there,
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Speaker 4: you've got courts and amethysts that's apparently transgender. You've got
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Speaker 4: boulder Opal from Andermouka that's got the Progress Pride flag there.
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Speaker 1: And if you read the little.
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Speaker 4: Scripts underneath each gem, all it explains is what the
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Speaker 4: stone is. It doesn't tell you any reason that there's
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Speaker 4: a bloody gender queer, transgender whatever.
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Speaker 1: Flag next to it. What on earth is this about?
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Speaker 2: I have heard absolutely everything. Now I cannot understand that
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Speaker 2: even go.
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Speaker 5: To a museum and look at rocks without being indoctrinated
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Speaker 5: by the rainbow MafA. She's trying to take good on you, Emily,
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Speaker 5: trying to take the kids in to show them, like, oh,
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Speaker 5: look at these opals from Australia. Yes they come from Australia.
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Speaker 5: How exciting even that you can't do nowadays without having ideology,
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Speaker 5: not ideology, rammed down your throat. These rocks have nothing
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Speaker 5: to do with sexual anything.
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Speaker 4: They've turned the rocks a gay, turn the rocks gay.
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Speaker 3: Really quickly before we go. There's a Formula one race
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Speaker 3: in Las Vegas over the weekend. You had to have
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Speaker 3: a ticket in order to watch the race. There were
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Speaker 3: some vantage points outside the fence, but it's illegal to stand.
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Speaker 2: Still and watch if you don't have a ticket.
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Speaker 3: But there was this escalator which is closer to the
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Speaker 3: circuit than any of the seats.
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Speaker 2: It's on the best corner.
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Speaker 3: There were security guards at the top and bottom, issuing
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Speaker 3: fines if anyone stopped and watched, but as long as
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Speaker 3: you were moving, you didn't get a ticket. So these
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Speaker 3: guys I spent the entire race going up and down
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Speaker 3: up and down to watch the Formula One cast.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I would do if I was in
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Speaker 2: Las Vegas. What a brilliant way to.
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Speaker 1: Watch I'm not even mad. You've got to give a
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Speaker 1: nod to the ingenuity of these right, I mean, they
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Speaker 1: just found a loophole.
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Speaker 2: Good on them, well done.
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Speaker 3: That's it from us stick around. Coming up is the
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Speaker 3: Rida Penney Show.
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Speaker 2: Good Night,