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EDP13: Doha Diamond League / Seiko Tokyo Grand Prix · Easy Double podcast

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast.
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We've reached episode 13, which is often unlucky for some,
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perhaps some on this on this podcast, but we'll find out why
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later on. I am thankfully joined by Owen
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and Dean. Welcome fellas.
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Let's go to Owen. How you doing dressed in green
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for Ireland? Yeah, doing well.
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It's a lovely sunny day here in Ireland.
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Actually, ever since I've got back, I haven't seen the rain
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once. It's been like 1819°.
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It's actually cold, but everyone else says it's warm and.
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But no, it's been really good. Yeah.
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And for context, it's Sunday morning in Ireland, isn't it, as
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we record now? Sunday morning, yeah.
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We've moved heaven and earth to be able to record together.
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So thanks everyone for your flexibility.
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Dean, welcome to you, Episode 13.
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Thanks mate. Doing well.
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Yeah, Sunday, early afternoon our time or early evening.
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So yeah, we've been, we've been pretty blessed as well, probably
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this last week. It's been what, mid to high 20s?
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And yeah, dry it's been, we've had a pretty nice stretch of
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weather. So it sounds like they're doing
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well, enjoying that. Yeah, it's it has been unreal
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this past week or so, hasn't it? You get that like nice warm mid
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afternoon and then the fresh mornings and evenings.
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I just seen a photo before of Connor Dylan.
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You know the guy we spoke about from Ballarat, He was at the the
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Fussy in Melbourne this weekend wearing a big massive puffer
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jacket, big thick wooly gloves and a big thick wooly hat.
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And like, I just got back from the beach and I was like, shit,
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we're so lucky with the weather in Perth here.
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Yeah, that's been cracking. I remember last year as well
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when I was living in Melbourne and it got cold probably around
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this time like May and I would see the weather come up on the
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news and whilst it was like freezing in Melbourne it would
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still be mid 20s in Perth and I was like getting dead angry.
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Like how do they have such good weather?
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Doesn't make sense. Thankfully now I'm the
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beneficiary of it. So let's get crack.
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And then there is a little bit of running news.
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I think there was a Diamond League in dower.
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I think that was potentially Friday for Australian time.
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Anyway, there was a men's hate 800 meters of which the guy who
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I recognize most in this field was Bryce Hochul, who's AUS
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based athlete and he seems to do a lot of training with Hobbs
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Kessler. I kind of think of them as a bit
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of a duo. I don't really know why, I think
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they've done quite a bit of stuff on YouTube together.
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Maybe they like qualified for the first Olympics together and
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stuff like this. So that was won by a Botswana
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guy Masala in 14311. Rice Hoffel was second in one
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4326 and the guy in 3rd was Kenya Mal from Kenya in a
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133.37. So they are some very quick
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times for an invested commas this early in the season for
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those those fellas to be won running 140 threes.
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And I think they alluded to it with the commentators did anyway
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about Bryce Hochul. They were saying he kind of
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hasn't really got a season going yet and they didn't know what to
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expect from him. So this was, I wouldn't
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necessarily say a breakthrough run, but he'll be looking to
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build on the back of this. And the commentators did
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actually say there was a $5000 prize bonus for if you break the
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meat record. Can't remember if, I don't think
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this one quite broke the meat record, but in the, in one of
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the women's races, where are we? It was, I think it was in the 8
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hundreds as well. Must have been the 1500s.
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In fact, the girl tied the meat record time and she was waiting
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for them to announce it because, you know, sometimes it gets
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rounded down by like 100th of a second or whatever.
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And then they announced it that she'd tied it and you see, you
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know, like give a little celebration.
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So she's buzzing with the bonus. It's it's tough to to get a meet
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record though, like because Diamond leagues, there's been of
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so many of them. I was wondering like does it
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relate solely to our Diamond League or would it be the
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entirety of Diamond League? Hopefully it's for each one.
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I mean it's a nice incentive but like you said the times are are
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fast. I think I was watching the
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commentary and they mentioned, but I've been going for because
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guitar was Doha was one of the first Diamond Leagues.
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Wasn't it's where it all began. I think they said.
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And was it was it 15 years ago maybe?
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Or there was some sort of there's A5 in the the reference
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to how long Diamond League had been around.
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But it's sort of it sounded like the birth of the Diamond League
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was yeah, was was in Doha, which is cool.
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And they've managed to to keep it going.
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Sort of we sort of just take it for granted that it's like the
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premier sort of series of athletics events across the
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year. But yeah, it obviously started
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somewhere and started there, which like you say, they're just
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super fast, which is good. It's sort of a nice contrast to
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the the races that we've just watched, you know, where they're
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all sort of big prize money and sort of sitting kick races.
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Whereas these are all well paced races and sort of the pacing of
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them sort of sets them up to run fast, albeit.
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Sorry, Ron. Oh, I was just going to say it's
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like what, 33° I think they were saying as well.
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So pretty hot, which would which made it difficult.
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I would imagine maybe 8-15 hundred meters is maybe be the
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cut off and then it would have been hard to run mate records
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when it's 33°. Yeah, I think you've seen that
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with the the 5K they those 3 paces and wave lights and within
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200 meters the paces and the wave lights that separate from
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the the main pack, they were just like now you just go and do
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your pace job and hopefully hit your splits.
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But we're not going with you and we'll just race each other back
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here. We'll get to that result in a
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minute. But have you with you saying
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that the the Diamond League started there maybe 1015 years
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ago? Have you ever been to Doha?
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Only, like for X many hours between layovers, you know,
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like, we went out very shortly, yeah.
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The the airports good, isn't it? It's correct.
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Yeah. Their business land is lovely.
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We actually went there a few years ago because I mean, it
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seems like one of those countries where they're a bit
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like Saudi. They're just getting as many
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sporting events as they can to kind of give it a good
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reputation, I guess without going into the politics too
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much. But if Diamond League's been
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there for that long, it must have been like almost one of the
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May May, one of the first sporting events that they got
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there, I guess. So I actually visited Dover the
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other year because not for the World Cup, but the F1.
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And my experience was that it's like this massive built up city,
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like similar to Dubai, but it just feels empty, like there's
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nobody there. So maybe over the next 10 or 15
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years, they'll become more commercialized, I guess, and
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people will visit more and tourism will take off and stuff
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like that. People maybe will emigrate there
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the way that they do to Dubai. But it just felt a bit dead when
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I was there. So God knows how it felt for
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some of these athletes going there like 10 years ago.
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Yeah, I would imagine it's sort of built a lot since then,
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particularly with the. They do very well with possible
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being pretty strong. Well yeah, you might see some
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more US based tourism there recently with old mate Trump's
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been buying some jets from them isn't he?
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To the 5K that we touched on. Then the men's 5K was taken out
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by Reynold Cherieth. Who, as per the commentators, I
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think he's 19 years old and it was only his second ever 5K.
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In second place was Dominic Lebarlu, who's now representing
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Switzerland, but I think the other year he ran on the Olympic
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refugee team. He's on athlete.
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So that just that was the winning time was 1316, Lebarlu
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second in 1317 and Beranu Belu also 1317.
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So that looks like it was a dead heat 1317.7 for those two.
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So I actually see in this race, it was, as I touched on before,
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slow from the start and it didn't really get going until
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maybe the last K or so. And the commentators were
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pointing out that there was various like 1500 meter
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specialists in here who this was going to suit.
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And they were going to see like kind of who had the strongest
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finish. And there was actually Cooper T
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who was in the field who's been running at the the Grand Slam
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meets already this season. So he's potentially a bit sharp
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than some of the others, but rather than that work to his
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benefit, I think it was more so a hindrance because he looked
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tired. And as soon as the pace did get
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going, although it was slow, he just wasn't able to move with
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it. And a pack of like 8910 moved
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forward and could say it was like one of two or three maybe
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that just went off the back and couldn't go with it.
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So wasn't a successful run for him.
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But yeah, the last lap was a bit ferocious in this chariot.
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He absolutely took off down the final 100 meters straight.
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Like, you know how fast some of these guys can finish in a 5K
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race in that last 400 meters anyway.
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And then to see this fella put like what what looked like 5 or
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10 meters into the others over the last 50 meters, it's just
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like, Jesus Christ, that is like a deadly kick.
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Yeah, it's pretty. They just never went with the
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places to begin with. They they sort of had three
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pacemakers set it going at meet record pace, which was I think
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like 1251 and just no one went with it, which, yeah, I mean, 13
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teens is not slow. But like you say, it's sort of a
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different, you know, 2 seconds of lap.
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It's quite a bit. But yeah, it's still made for it
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was still a good race, wasn't it?
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No, no $5000 bonus for them fellas.
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But I'm sure that maybe it was a collective agreement before the
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start even like pacemakers, like thanks for putting your hand up,
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but you aren't really going to be required from us tonight.
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Do as a guy. Yeah, normally like one person
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goes with the pace, don't they? Normally you see like one sort
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of have a bit of a go, but yeah, the whole group, I think
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everyone sort of because wasn't the the steeplechaser in there
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as well? The Ethiopian steeplechaser, I
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think he was in there sort of he took sort of some of the pace
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early. But yeah, but no one was really
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sort of wanting to take up the racing just because I think it's
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just pretty hot and like you say, early in the season, you
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know, I'm sort of back in their fitness in so.
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But yeah, still, still a good race.
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There was that Indian guy Gulvey.
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He tried to close the gap at one point.
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Didn't he? Yeah, it lasted about what, 600
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meters maybe, if that. And he, yeah, he closed by about
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5 meters. He hardly got got off the front
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of the pack really, did he? Yeah, that's must have been a
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tough back off of the race after that little injection from him
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mentally as much as physically because you just be thinking, oh
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fuck the air when the group comes swallows you back off like
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a lap later. From a distance perspective,
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that was always the men's results.
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Then from the women's results, there was 1500 meters won by
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Nelly chef chair from Kenya in four O 5 flat.
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Another Kenyan athlete second did your rate in 406.27 and the
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British girl, I didn't actually see this race because now I've
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just seen that Gemma Riki was there that would have I would
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have noticed that, but she was third in four O 7.33.
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I don't know exactly how those times correlate to the world
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championship standard is are they any close to the Tokyo
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qualifier there? So the women's standard for the
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1500 meters is 4 O 150. So they're yeah, they're a good
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456 seconds off it. Yeah.
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So I think that concludes the results from the Doha Diamond
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League. We do have the Manchester 10K,
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which is unfortunately has not happened as of time of
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recording. It's going to be in a couple of
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hours. And I know that Brett Robinson
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as well as I think Izzy Bat, Doyle and potentially, well,
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obviously lots of others, but they're the two that springs to
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mind. They're going to be running
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there. So we'll be keeping a keen eye
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on that. Is there anyone else there that
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you guys know of? No, I just know those two.
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I did hear Brett saying that he his goal will be to try and run
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a PB or well definitely run a PB and break 28 minutes for the
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first time. I think maybe he said 2808 or
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something. 2812 is his current PB so I wonder if he's has even
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a fleeting thought about taking that 10K record that Sam
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Clifford just ran the other week.
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I mean, it's a, it's a big gap. Based on that.
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Isn't it? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you wouldn't think so, but if he runs under 28 you'd have
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to be pretty happy, wouldn't you?
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Given how he about ran in Maragami and sort of been a bit
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interrupted since then. It seems like he's done some
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good training since he pulled out of London.
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Yeah, since he's pulled out the race and then his pacing job
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seems to go pretty well, so it's definitely heading in the right
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direction again. Be interesting to see what you
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can put down. And then you think maybe easy,
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do you think easy maybe shoots for is it the auto standard?
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Is it 3030 or 30? I think 3030 isn't it for Tokyo.
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I assume that. 3020. 3020 OK, you're shivers.
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Oh, that's fast. Yeah, and well, equally, the
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men's time is 27 flat, so it's just ridiculous standards,
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aren't they? But yeah, what did is he run in
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Japan the other week 3030? What do you think, 3044?
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44, yeah. So it might be a bit, a bit too
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big of a gap to bridge. Yeah, yeah.
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Be interesting to see if she can back it up and do it in
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Manchester because she's only travelled.
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When did she got there? Last week maybe.
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So potentially still a little bit getting over it, but no
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better way to get out of your system than to smack a 10K.
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So there was also another meet in Tokyo, in Japan, the Seiko
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Golden Grand Prix, and there were a few Australians in
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action. I'm just trying to the safer the
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results now because I think it might because it's only just
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happened. But they're they're coming up
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largely in Japanese. But I've got the Rose.
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Davis won the women's 3K in 843, which is pretty damn fast from a
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Kenyan athlete called Helen Laboon.
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And then the Japanese athlete inferred and the rest of the
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field was Japanese. To be fair, there was a men's 3K
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which was also won by Australian in Jude Thomas in 739 and the
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Ethiopian athlete in second Gamma in 740 and Irish athlete
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Brian Faye in 3rd 741. So we've seen a clip of the end
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of that, both of those, the men's and the women's three KS
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actually, and it seemed like Rose Davis had it wrapped up
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before the kind of finishing straight.
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She looked like she was by herself a little bit.
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But Jude Thomas came into the last hundred with a couple of
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guys and he was just strong enough to extend away from them.
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So what was the he ran something the other week and it was
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Diamond League, wasn't it in China perhaps, And we were
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saying it wasn't his greatest run.
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So I'm good to see him back on track there.
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There was also a women's 1500 which again was won by an
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Australian in Georgia Griffith in four O 1.1, which if we refer
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back to the entry standards for Tokyo, she's she's nailed it by
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4/10 of a second. I'm not sure whether she already
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had it or not, but that's an an outstanding run because she's
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won by 5 seconds to a Japanese athlete in second and then Sarah
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Billings in 3rd in four O 6. And we know kind of what sort of
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form and shape that Sarah's in at the minute based on a 800 the
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other week. So outstanding room from Georgia
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there. Cool to see Aussies winning
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abroad and everyone sort of peaking for nationals.
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You're sort of carrying that forward, that form forward, are
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you? Yeah, it's, it's so good that
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Australians are able to go over to Japan and race so often
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because it seems like there's almost a bit of a brother and
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sister relationship going on between the two countries in
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terms of athletics, with all the Japanese guys coming over
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seemingly for the Launceston half Marathon.
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And they go, they go to Gold Coast as well, a few of them,
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don't they? Yeah, Yeah.
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It's a big Japanese contingent that come over for those races.
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And I think it times well, the Gold Coast Marathon Festival
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being in July when it's pretty grossly hot in Tokyo.
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So it's sort of whereas it's our middle of our winter, it's sort
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of times well similar and even for Launceston like Launceston's
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cracking weather and it's just as it's starting to heat up in
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in Japan, so. Yeah, it's literally flip of
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what we would do and train through summer and then go to
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Fukuoku or Osaka to benefit from the the cold.
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Well and marigami like we did, but they just do it their way
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and come to Australia when it's cold.
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Yeah. So that rounds us off with the
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results then. So I think we'll get into
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training weeks and what's been going on and then the lives of
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Ryan, Owen and Dean. I think we best start with Dean
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because you definitely have had the strongest week from a
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running perspective. So do you want to take us away?
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Yeah, sure. So Monday just my 2 sort of easy
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runs to and from work. Tuesday I ran easy into the
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office and then ran to to the track.
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So this is my first track session back and we had the
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session of a four lap build into and then a jog lap and then it
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was 4 or 5 by 8. The reps the IT was 800 meters
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at VO2 with a 62nd rest and then like a hard 400, so quicker than
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your 800 metre pace and then two minutes before your next set
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static recovery. So you guys might remember
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because we sort of at front runner just cycle through
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similar workouts, you know, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
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So yeah, so I just remembered the four lap build.
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I think we went from 70 sixes down to 70 seconds.
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So yeah, 7670470270 and that didn't feel too bad.
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My ITB on my left leg was still a bit sore, but otherwise I
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think my legs were sort of starting to feel reasonably
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decent, like post the marathon. And then they felt the more in
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the eight hundreds and we're sort of hitting about 2:16 for
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the 8 hundreds and then about 64 seconds for the four hundreds.
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But yeah, because we hadn't, I don't know how many weeks it's
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been since I've done a full like a proper track session.
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It could be like maybe 5 weeks perhaps.
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I did struggle a bit. So I got through 4 reps I nearly
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stopped at one point because my leg was pretty sore.
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But but yeah, I managed to get through it.
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Was puffing and panting by the end of it.
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Did four sets. And yeah, found it recently
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difficult just because we haven't done some for a while.
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But yeah, happy I got ticked off the session.
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Yeah, you'll feel so much better for doing that when you come to
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this week's session now. It's almost like literally just
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the first one, isn't it? Yeah, the first, Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, you forget. Yeah, those higher intensity
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sessions you haven't done, We haven't done much at that
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intensity for a while. So it takes a bit of getting
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used to again, but. So I'm guessing you spent 0
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seconds on the front of any of those reps or did you lead any?
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Yeah, exactly. I just sat in there was a good
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group, the sort of the Toms were there and gosh, we had quite a
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few at different at different times.
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But yeah, I didn't take it to Max was there who's who's sort
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of recently joined our group who I think he's run like 14 flat or
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thereabouts for 5K. So he took a few reps.
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Yeah, it's a good, good mix of us, Kieran and and others.
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So, Oh yeah, I didn't take a turn.
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I just ticked it off, particularly in the four
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hundreds. I sort of, yeah, I was not keen
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to sort of push any of that. Yeah, very wise.
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And then Wednesday ref sort of said if I can try and make my
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second run closer to 60 minutes and 40 minutes.
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So I ran 40 minutes, burst up, and then I've tried to do 60
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minutes. I think I maybe ran just under
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it in the afternoon I was feeling a bit tired but
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otherwise legs felt okay. Yeah, you weren't too smashed
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off. No, not terrible.
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No, to be honest, like I expected to feel worse than what
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I did, which is good. Then Thursday I had three in the
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morning, I sort of ran to Lake Munga SO5KS or so.
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And then I did 3 by 8 minutes at a heart rate of around aiming
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for like 165 the minute jog in between.
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And then and that was sort of like the sub threshold more
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morning session and then went to work and then like jogged to the
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office and then that afternoon did the regular threshold
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session. So it's sort of the first time
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I've attempted, like to call it, say, threshold sessions in a
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day. And so we had, yeah.
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So I jogged back to Manga for more laps and we had 6 by 30
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seconds on off, 2 by 6 minutes at threshold, and then 6
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minutes, you know, 6 minutes of those 30 seconds on off.
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So yeah, my legs felt like tired in that second threshold
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workout. Like they just felt, yeah, just
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like they've had the, like they just felt a bit fatigued, you
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know, like you're a bit fatigued.
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But aerobically everything felt fine.
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And again, I sort of sat in for most of it, the Tomswood setting
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tempo, which was nice, apart from the threshold.
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I think the threshold pace they wanted to hit was a bit slower
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than they were hitting 315 and Max and I wanted to hit around
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3:10. So we're a bit ahead on the six
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minute reps, but then they, the other guys caught back up when
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we're doing the set 30 seconds on off.
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But yeah, got through that by the time I jogged home, I think
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it was like 36 KS for the day. So that was a big day, yeah.
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And the first time I've sort of attempted 2 sort of threshold
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sessions in a day, which I don't know, I've seemingly survived
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until now at least. So and then Saturday.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you on Tuesday?
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Did you jog to the office in the morning?
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Yeah. Did you say shit?
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So that's a double on Tuesday into well trying to do 100
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minutes on Wednesday into double threshold Thursday.
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That's are you feeling tired on Friday, off that or?
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Yeah, that's all right. And Dean, on that Thursday, like
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in the future, ideally, would you like to take your lactates
22:53
or? Yeah, yeah, I got some more
22:57
strips from home, gave them to wrap on Saturday.
23:00
So I think he said, all being well, he'll join us on the bike
23:03
on Thursday and do some testing. Yeah.
23:05
So try and get a bit dotted. That was particularly like crazy
23:09
the Thursday. I think it was intentionally
23:10
like, like for example, say the heart rate, if I'm running a
23:14
marathon effort, I'll sit my heart rate like low one 70s.
23:19
Whereas these reps were like, I think I averaged like 164 or
23:22
something, you know, so like 10 beats sort of below marathon
23:26
effort. I think.
23:26
I think I averaged like maybe 325 to 327 pace for the for the
23:31
8 minutes in the morning. So they felt very aerobic, very
23:35
controlled, like not much harder than sort of steady pace really,
23:40
which I think was important as so as to not, you know, wreck
23:44
myself, which was fun, to be honest.
23:47
It was a cracking morning, Thursday morning and doing and
23:50
doing work at that. Yeah.
23:51
You just feel more fatigued than.
23:54
And even on the Thursday night, I was conscious not to go too
23:57
hard. So, yeah, so sort of it's more
24:00
just the aggregate of work rather than the intensity, which
24:03
I think I prefer. I think it's far less risky, I
24:06
think for me when I'm overreaching, particularly in
24:09
those Thursday sessions and Saturday sessions, you know,
24:12
rather than just backing them off a bit and running them at a
24:15
slightly lower intensity and doing more of it.
24:18
I think I get fitter than if I'm just rinsing myself.
24:21
Like happy to do it once a week on a Tuesday when the intervals
24:25
are short. But yeah, so we'll, we'll see
24:27
how this goes, but I think this all going well might be a might
24:31
be a thing going forward. Betty that felt good rolling
24:33
into work with the with the session in the bag.
24:36
Yeah. Well, yeah, kind of.
24:38
Yeah, a lot of time, but. You also know there's still a
24:41
session to come. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:45
I think I'll be happy once I've, if I've, if I've done a few,
24:48
I'll I'll feel better. Like once it sort of becomes a
24:50
bit, you know, of a regular thing, I'll be happy.
24:53
But yeah, I certainly felt on Friday, I felt legs felt a bit
24:56
tired, sort of just two easy 40 minute runs.
24:59
But they felt you could feel yesterday and even Saturday
25:02
morning, like I ran that a bit easier.
25:06
It was a 30 minute Gilly tempo around Kings Park and then the
25:09
three by 20 seconds sort of accelerations uphill up the
25:14
green mile and then 40 seconds down, 40 seconds up the green
25:18
mile, 80 seconds down. And that 30 minute tempo, I,
25:23
yeah, I sort of didn't go too hard on that.
25:26
And I didn't feel like I, I had a heat, to be honest.
25:28
Like I was just tired. I got it done.
25:31
You know, it was sort of a big, big week or a fairly big week.
25:34
And then today I had 30 minutes easy, 60 minutes steady, 15
25:37
minutes easy. Which, yeah, I've just done a
25:41
few hours ago. What does that come out as
25:43
distance wise? Just over 160 KS, yeah.
25:47
For the for today as well though the Sunday.
25:50
Run. Yeah, yeah.
25:51
It was like 134 going into today, I think.
25:55
So nice 26 this morning. Yeah, very good.
25:58
Well, I'm keen to see how you get on with this double
26:00
threshold stuff because it's, it's, it's got the the FOMO
26:04
juices pumping for sure. Yeah, look, I'll either be fit
26:08
or injured or the other. There's there's no more room in
26:13
the injured club, mate. Yeah, look fun.
26:19
Fun to try though. I've really enjoyed it so
26:21
hopefully it's hopefully it can become a regular thing like I
26:25
did enjoy it from just doing 2 easy jobs on a Wednesday rather
26:28
than a steady run and doing this is something different on a
26:31
Thursday morning was fun. Would you in the future when you
26:34
say about doing the lactate as well, would you measure both
26:37
sessions? Ideally, yeah, yeah.
26:40
Because I think the tendency, in particular on the Thursday night
26:42
when there's a group is, you know, everyone sort of can get
26:45
carried away a little bit. So it would be good to measure
26:49
them to make sure we sort of know what is the upper limit.
26:52
It's probably even more so on the Thursday night because
26:55
that's when we tend to go too fast, if anything.
26:58
Whereas the Thursday morning at the minute, the way it's been
27:00
prescribed is very conservative. So the problem is my lactate
27:05
might be a bit low and might have to go harder on a Thursday
27:08
morning, but we'll see. Have you, you, I guess you
27:10
probably haven't had time yet, but it might be interesting to
27:12
look back on this week and kind of work out how much intensity
27:16
you've done in terms of minutes versus like a typical 160 K
27:21
week, like whether you actually got more from it that way.
27:24
Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's
27:26
probably just yeah, like even like say Thursday was like an
27:29
hour of, you know, of intervals. Like that's a lot like an hour
27:34
of because it's 3028 minutes in the morning and 28 minutes now,
27:37
26 minutes in the morning and 28 minutes in the afternoon.
27:40
It was a lot. And then 40 minutes on Saturday
27:42
and maybe 15 to 20 minutes on Tuesday.
27:45
It's quite a bit. And then an hour of Zone 2
27:47
stuff. It's like it's a lot for the for
27:49
a week. Do you do any static stretching
27:51
and stuff at home or not? No, I should probably need to.
27:55
When I do my gym routine, I find like everything gets really
27:58
activated. Like if I'm good with that, you
27:59
know, like I have like a 20 minute gym routine.
28:02
If I'm good with that, everything feels pretty, pretty
28:05
good. So as long as I do that a few
28:07
times a week, not that I have the last few weeks, then I
28:09
always find yeah, my ability wise feel not too bad.
28:13
Sort of incorporate some movements.
28:15
Flick that through to me. Yeah, I'll send.
28:18
I'll send. Yeah, I'll send.
28:20
It's from RAF, so I'll send it to him.
28:22
RAF. OK.
28:23
But yeah, yeah, it's pretty good.
28:24
Yeah, good week, good week. Things are on the up.
28:27
So that's one week of like not much, just recovery.
28:31
Then last week was the kind of first week trying some normal
28:35
training again. And then this week is like a
28:37
full normal week. So I think, yeah, you're pretty
28:40
much back in the flow now, aren't you?
28:42
Yeah, all been well. Touch wood.
28:43
And no eyes, no thoughts around HBF next weekend.
28:50
No, I think maybe, maybe we'll see.
28:55
We'll see. See how this started, see how
28:57
the first half of this week goes.
28:59
Is it? Is it sold out?
29:00
It's. Sold out?
29:01
Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, maybe see if I can sneak
29:05
in, but we'll see. Do you have a, do you have a
29:07
history there? Have you won it a couple of
29:10
times? I finished second a few times I
29:12
think, but I've never raced the half.
29:15
I sort of, for whatever reason, I've always had other goals in
29:18
and around that time, at least the past few years anyway.
29:21
Raced it last year but other than that I don't think I'd
29:24
raced it for the past few years. Finished second last year.
29:27
Yeah, to who? Luke, it's always hard that 12
29:32
K, you're sort of running into a, you're running into the half
29:35
marathon field. So you're just zigging and
29:38
zagging your way through through that would be nice if they
29:40
somehow separated the back half of that.
29:42
They've got so much freeway and road, like they close a heap of
29:45
roads. You could sort of just funnel
29:48
people and split them because it just gets really messy to be
29:52
honest. It's not super fun.
29:54
I was gutted at first when I made my travel arrangements to
29:58
fly on Friday, knowing that I would be missing the run on
30:02
Sunday, but obviously with how it's turned out I wouldn't have
30:05
been doing it anyway, so that kind of softens the blow a
30:07
little bit. Yeah, it's a good, it's a good
30:10
event. I'd love to do the half, to be
30:11
honest. I think the half can be is quite
30:13
fast and a nice course and you get the first thing in the
30:17
morning, you know, you're running into as it's daylight
30:19
and beautiful time of year. You know, as we're talking about
30:22
that seasonal change, like it's absolutely cracking.
30:25
So yeah, good one to do. OK, watch this space then.
30:29
And how about yourself, Ryan? How's your your your week?
30:32
Yeah, myself was interesting. So I guess started the week with
30:38
still waiting for these MRI results and kind of not really
30:43
knowing where I was at, but the the pain was manageable enough
30:46
to to run here and there. So I thought I'm just going to
30:49
keep jogging until these results come through and see what's what
30:53
then. So I think on Monday night I
30:55
just done half an hour and then on Tuesday I got home from work
30:59
and I had every intention of going to track and then just
31:04
couldn't motivate myself to get there.
31:05
And I was like, oh, I'm still waiting for these results.
31:07
Like although the pain feels like it's OK now to go and do a
31:11
session. Like there's literally no point
31:13
if don't know something comes back and then it tells me like
31:16
you can't run or whatever could potentially just be making
31:18
something worse. So I thought, OK, I'll just hold
31:21
on. And then I think Wednesday maybe
31:25
I got them back and I'll read out what it says because it's
31:30
quite scientific. But then there is a conclusion
31:33
at the end. So it says abnormal signal
31:35
intensity seen affecting the medial insertional part of
31:39
plantar fascia in the form of, I won't go on with that, mild
31:44
plantar fascia thickening 5 to 6 mills, which is seen in fuse
31:48
form and involves the proximal portion and extends to the
31:51
calcaneal insertion. Conclusion findings are
31:55
suggestive of an insertional plantar fasciitis for clinical
31:59
correlation. I mean, in summary, it's
32:01
planter, which is like kind of what I already knew or at least
32:05
already thought. But I guess it's nice to just
32:08
see it in black and white and be like, OK, like you can't really
32:11
ignore that now. Just actually address it
32:14
properly. I mean the annoying thing is
32:16
I've tried to address it properly by getting that
32:19
shockwave treatment. When was that?
32:22
Probably like 2 months ago but seemingly didn't do anything.
32:25
Maybe that's just because I was still clinging on to training
32:28
and trying to do some sessions and around it so I need to
32:33
follow up with the physio to get like a rehab plan and stuff.
32:37
But from my own research, it seems like if you've kind of
32:40
exhausted the shockwave therapy and it's been ongoing for a
32:45
number of months, which it has since November really, but
32:49
gradually got worse, then the only thing to do is to give it a
32:52
prolonged D load. I think I have spoke to the
32:56
physio through RAF and he's saying potentially he doesn't
33:00
think the results are that bad, but I'll have to see what he
33:04
says. Because in my mind I'm just
33:06
like, I'd rather just press the hard reset button now and get it
33:09
over and done with. So that I know fully in two to
33:12
four weeks, wherever it may be, it'll be resolved and hopefully
33:16
won't be coming back. Rather than like trying to run
33:19
here and there and seeing how it goes.
33:21
And then I'm just reached the point where I'm like, whenever,
33:24
let's just bury it properly. Do you find I'm certain shoes
33:28
aggravate it more than others or no?
33:31
Yeah, when I wear my brogues for the office, they're awful
33:34
because it's just like that concrete block directly under
33:37
your heel, isn't it? And then like the the wrap
33:40
around support at the back is nothing but like a thin piece of
33:43
leather. So maybe I'll have to get a
33:45
doctor's note and start coming into work in a pair of carbon
33:48
plated shoes, some foam on them. That's one way to tell the
33:53
office you run, isn't it? But in terms of running shoes, I
34:01
can't, I haven't really been able to put my finger on it, I
34:03
don't think, because it's just seems to be on and off, on and
34:07
off. So I don't know.
34:08
Because yeah, well, it seems to be how it is at the minute is I
34:12
can run, let's say today I'll run today it's fine.
34:15
Then tomorrow it'll be sore so I don't run.
34:18
And then the day after the pain kind of goes away to the point
34:21
where I'm able to run again. But that's just not going to be
34:24
able to like be beneficial going forwards like long term.
34:28
It's just like the recovery period is too is too long and
34:32
it's not allowing that planter to actually get rid of all the
34:36
inflammation and stuff because it's just constantly loading it.
34:40
So that's why is that. Where your mind croaks us.
34:43
Yeah, I think he keeps talking. It's what he keeps talking
34:45
about. And he is also talking about his
34:47
Achilles, which I've been keeping an eye on.
34:50
It doesn't hair, but the whole area just generally seems to be.
34:54
It's not massively swollen, but it's just inflamed.
34:56
It's angry. So I think the there's something
35:00
in the planter that is like causing the Achilles a bit of
35:03
discomfort, or maybe the Achilles has to work more
35:05
because the planter can't. So I just don't really want to
35:09
take any risks with it in trying to like run through it because
35:12
I'm just fed up with trying to manage it.
35:15
And what shoes? What shoes do you wear in your
35:18
like daily running? So I've got a pair of New
35:22
Balance eight 80s, which, and now they seem all right.
35:26
Oh my, the jogging shoes. Now I've always wore the
35:30
Invincibles, which they didn't sell anymore.
35:34
Are you thinking something a bit stiffer, Owen?
35:36
What would you? I think it's to do with like the
35:38
heel to toe drop and like the larger heel to toe drop offloads
35:44
the pressure, yeah, on your calf or something like that.
35:47
I'm not too sure. That's why people put in like
35:49
heel pitches and stuff don't. They Yeah, yeah.
35:52
Umm. But like if it's angry at the
35:55
moment, it might just need time and but like, that's what I
35:59
think that's yeah, the heel to toe drop.
36:01
You need like a bigger heel to toe drop which could be worth a
36:03
go. Yeah, I think those healing sets
36:06
are one of the go TOS, like to try and help it, as well as a
36:11
shit ton of cough strengthening, which is the tough part.
36:15
But well, it's not tough. It's tough like to motivate
36:18
yourself to do those exercises. But when you're injured, it's
36:21
not, is it? Like when you're injured, then
36:23
you have a rehab plan and you know that that's what you need
36:25
to do to get better. It's easy to do it.
36:27
It's hard to do it when when you're not injured and to like
36:30
kind of keep it, keep on top of it.
36:33
But hopefully this is the lesson to say we need to just embed an
36:36
actual strength routine, even if it's minimal.
36:39
Well, when you are uninjured, just for injury prevention
36:42
rather than actual rehab purposes.
36:45
So on Thursday, I very gratefully went and collected a
36:51
time trial bike from one of the front front runner members.
36:55
Joe. It's quite, it's quite weird
36:57
really, because the bike seemingly is a very good bike.
37:00
So if you triathletes in the group as well, like, I mean, if
37:03
it's got two wheels to me, then it's a bike.
37:05
Like I don't really know if it's a good bike, a bad bike.
37:08
I know what amount bikers and what Rd. bikers, but that's
37:10
about as far as my knowledge goes.
37:12
But a few of these triathletes know all the INS and outs and
37:16
Adam seeing it straight away who was down at Munga and so was RAF
37:20
and they were both like that's a good bit of kit.
37:23
Where did you get that from? And obviously Joe's kindly lent
37:27
me to cycle on and she says that she doesn't know where it came
37:31
from. Someone's given it to her at
37:33
some point for an injury and then it's just kind of been
37:35
passed around and it's almost like this unknown anonymous
37:39
bike, which is seemingly very expensive.
37:43
So I've put a few KS on to that in the back half of the week.
37:47
I won't tell you how long a road for or what, OK Square, but I've
37:53
done about an hour and a half or an hour and 50 in each day.
37:57
And yeah, it's interesting because I'm, I'm conscious of my
38:01
straw uploads. I need to really go out on the
38:03
way to find out how you privatize some of these things
38:06
and just make it only visible to you because I don't know how
38:10
bike rides correlate to runs. So like obviously if you see a
38:14
5K then based on however, what the time was, you can look at
38:18
that and go, well, that's quick or that's slow or that's good
38:21
though, that's bad. I don't know what these rides
38:23
mean, but I know I've got a few triathlete to follow me and I'm
38:27
worried that they're looking at these rides thinking you
38:30
absolute little boy, like what are you doing pedaling round on
38:33
this thing? So there was on I think it was
38:39
Friday night. My when I put my watch onto a
38:43
road by the settings, what in the watch, because I've never
38:46
used it to ride before, seemed to split every 5K.
38:50
So I noticed after like 10K when it split again I was like oh
38:54
maybe I'll give one like 5K segment a bit of a push and see
38:58
like how fast I can ride for 5K. How fast?
39:01
Did you get? So I'm chasing 5K PBS on the
39:05
bike. I think it was, it was nine, it
39:10
was 9 minutes something. But this is what I'm I'm very
39:15
intrigued about because these triathletes are probably looking
39:18
at like fucking hell. I ride that for like 3 hours
39:20
mate. Just give it a rest.
39:23
Yeah. What's that like 35 KS an hour
39:25
or something? Is that what would it work out
39:28
today? Yeah, well, one of my mates at
39:30
home did message me is like, oh, the scene, you've just done 27
39:35
KS an hour for like over an hour there.
39:37
It's a good ride that, but I know that the triathletes from
39:42
Front Runner aren't looking at it in that light.
39:45
Resolved. Downhills.
39:49
Are I got onto a few of the hills today because it went out,
39:51
went onto the coast and the I also rode into the headwind and
39:55
it's been fun up until today, but that was a bit tough today I
39:59
got onto an A pedestrian only path in.
40:03
Is it Maylands? Yeah.
40:05
And fuck, this was Saturday morning, so all like the dog
40:08
walkers and the kids and the families were out.
40:10
And I realized pretty quickly that there was no bikes here.
40:14
So I was literally like peddling like that fast to give it enough
40:18
speed so that I wouldn't topple over, just to like try and get
40:21
myself off this pedestrian path. And within 20 meters 6 people
40:27
told me it's a pedestrian only path and they were taking great
40:30
pride in telling me as well. And I was like, oh, get me off
40:33
this bloody path. So.
40:35
It's been an interesting week. Quite sobering, huh?
40:40
Yeah, seeing things from a different lens, boys.
40:43
It's making me more weldy. That's it.
40:46
You'll be a duat, like yeah. For when you can run, yeah,
40:48
maybe. Yeah RAF, watch, watch your
40:51
bloody records mate. So enough bike chat anyway Owen,
40:57
tell us about some cross training chat.
40:59
There's a lot of Viking and bike training as well.
41:01
At the moment it's just stationary bike though.
41:06
No, I've actually had some progress in the last week.
41:09
So on when I got back home, I went to my physio and we
41:14
couldn't really put our finger on the issue and he's like, dry
41:17
needling might help. So then I went to another physio
41:20
for dry needling and that was just last Tuesday and I was
41:24
telling him where the issues were and he like, knew exactly.
41:29
He like, could tell me where I was, feeling other pains and
41:33
all. And I was like, Oh my God, yeah.
41:35
And it turns out it was one second my tibialis posterior.
41:44
And so I found the issue. I got needles in it and it
41:48
totally released it. Like Tuesday, it's like the it's
41:51
like the front of your. Yeah, yeah, that muscle at the
41:54
front of your. So yeah, like I get needles.
42:00
I got 2 here like you're. In the air again here, yeah.
42:04
And yeah. You would consider shin splints.
42:07
Basically, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and got 2 nails in there
42:11
and then like I went for a jog an hour later, pain free, done
42:14
20 minute jog pain free totally. And then Wednesday, yeah, took
42:20
it easy. And Thursday I jogged in the
42:24
morning and I could faintly, faintly feel it.
42:27
So I'm back to that physio. Thursday evening again, got the
42:30
needles, flushed it out. And then then Friday morning I
42:36
jogged and Saturday morning I jogged.
42:38
So back-to-back two days. And yeah, felt good.
42:42
So I think we found it. Go on.
42:45
That's awesome. Yeah, yes, I think I found the
42:49
issue and and apparently like I was doing trying to do a load of
42:54
calf raises to like strengthen the cast and all that, but
42:57
apparently that aggravates it a lot.
43:00
So I'd like doing a lot more isometric stuff.
43:03
But yeah, on Thursday I also had food poisoning.
43:07
So I was literally just bad bound all day.
43:09
I was so ill. And then this morning at.
43:12
Work for two weeks and already on the set.
43:15
I know I felt so bad. I just, I've done a cycle
43:18
session Wednesday morning and then we didn't work after and I
43:21
just didn't feel right in the cycle session and then in work I
43:25
was just getting worse and worse.
43:26
So I asked, could I go home on Wednesday evening?
43:30
I literally just lay on the floor in a ball.
43:33
I was in agony. My belly was a nuts and then
43:38
like my muscles like aching and now I would feel sorry for
43:43
myself as well. So probably wasn't that bad.
43:45
But yeah, I thought, I thought my world was ending.
43:49
And then yeah, Thursday was a bit right off as well.
43:52
So basically like beyond the few poisoning, I'm back jogging and
43:59
and yeah, done 80 minutes on the bike this morning.
44:02
But the plan now is to like run three days in a row next week,
44:06
take a day off, do four days in a row and then I'll probably be
44:11
back in doing bigger like So I think I've like got a 40 minute
44:16
jog tomorrow and then it goes 3035 day off.
44:20
Then I'll have like a 403550 or something like that.
44:25
And so Yep, slowly getting back to the the running is.
44:29
This increasing. You go there.
44:31
Yes. And I was just going to ask, So
44:33
basically increasing like load, running load, but you will look
44:36
to sounds like you're still maintaining some intensity on
44:40
cross training. So you'll still try to sort of
44:42
keep that quality without loading the legs up, but just as
44:46
your legs sort of as you reintroduce running in and
44:49
around it. Yeah.
44:50
So basically now I'm doing a lot more error so I'll I'll still
44:53
cross train, but I'll add the running in on top of it because
44:56
like the bike takes nothing. So I'm basically just peddling
44:59
like mad on the bike to try and get the intensity in and and
45:03
hopefully then I'll be able to do some more sessions.
45:05
So it's just been so long. I feel like I've been out for
45:08
like a year, but. How's your heart rate on your
45:13
jugs? My job, my hair has been 140.
45:16
I thought it'd be well worse to be honest, but like even when
45:20
I've been injured, like I've been constantly cross training
45:22
and doing something like I've never had a period where I've
45:25
done nothing. So hopefully I'll get it back
45:28
pretty quick and I just need a hope and pray that this actually
45:33
fixes it is the issue and like the last thing I want is another
45:37
issue it. Sounds very promising though.
45:39
Yeah, hopefully now and I'll be doing less cycling.
45:43
And is that being the the kind of the training being managed by
45:47
your Irish coach? Yeah, Yeah.
45:49
So back with Irish coach now. And so it's going to be a little
45:52
bit different. I think I'll be looking at that
45:54
sort of double threshold approach.
45:57
I'll invest in one of them lactate pro thingies, my bobbies
46:01
and. Yeah, I've got I've had some
46:03
feedback on that as in, as in because the device I've got, so
46:08
I've got it's called a Lactate Pro 2.
46:10
I think the issue is it takes a fairly small blood sample and
46:14
there's another type of device, I'll find out the name that
46:17
requires a slightly larger sample.
46:20
And so it can often read more accurately more of the time,
46:24
like particularly in Perth, you know, like over summer when
46:26
you're getting so sweaty so often you're getting inaccurate
46:30
readings or it's harder to get an accurate reading.
46:33
You can just tell. You can tell when the reading's
46:35
just not close to what you anticipate the rating to be that
46:38
it sort of hasn't read well. So I'll find out what the the
46:41
other device that was suggested to me, Kenji sort of said, hey,
46:45
you should try this device instead, particularly if you're
46:48
getting inaccurate rating. So I'll find out what the 1 is.
46:51
Yeah, send that my way. Yeah, like I don't need to be
46:55
peaking until like winter. So like Chris around Christmas
46:59
time, late November. So I've got loads of time to get
47:02
that. Is that for cross country?
47:04
Yeah, cross country, Yeah, and. I'll be curious to know what you
47:07
and your Irish coach agree together in terms of with your
47:10
double threshold, because I suspect it'll be you guys will
47:13
look to do things fairly conservatively in terms of like
47:16
lower, lower intensity to say some of the sessions we're
47:19
doing. Would would you agree like
47:21
around that some of that threshold running?
47:23
Probably, yeah. And again, like it's, I'll just
47:26
try it out for a little while. And because again, it's it's
47:29
safer. Like you've less of that like
47:31
really high intensity stuff and you just add, sprinkle, add in
47:35
near the end when you're coming to the race.
47:36
So look, yeah, still early guys. I'm still super unfit.
47:40
So yeah, that's the plan. Cool.
47:42
Yeah, I love it. It will be.
47:44
I know we we still need to get RAF on and I'm so bloody annoyed
47:49
that myself that we haven't, but it's just more so like fear of
47:52
the technology and like actually getting Raft to log on.
47:56
Like it would be so much easier to do it in person.
47:58
But then again, we don't know how to set this thing up in
48:01
person, do we? But I'm leaning towards like,
48:04
it'd be so good for you and your Irish coach to chat on here as
48:08
well to see like the different perspective.
48:10
But then again, like, would the Aussie listeners be able to
48:13
understand anything between? Two, he's very well articulated.
48:18
He'll be all right. Yeah.
48:20
If they can understand me, they'll understand him.
48:22
What what is his background? Was he He used to run himself I.
48:25
Don't know if he ran much, but he's like the highest level
48:29
coach in Ireland. Like he's got that like degree
48:32
or coaching certificate or whatever that is.
48:35
And so like he knows his stuff but and he used to coach,
48:39
there's an Irish marathon runner called She part, she was Fenulla
48:43
McCormick. Then she got married so now
48:44
she's Fenulla Britain and she's represented Ireland in like 5
48:47
Olympics. She dominated the Euro Cross
48:51
that many times, didn't she? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:53
So when she was younger, he coached her.
48:56
So like, he sort of knows stuff. And so no, yeah, I'll be
49:00
interested to give it a go and see what happens.
49:02
Cool. Yeah, good stuff.
49:03
So we had the good, bad and a good week and on a positive.
49:08
Good sandwich. Let's bring that analogy back up
49:13
again. I almost got in trouble last
49:16
time with the genders involved. So YouTube Diaries then?
49:24
Has anyone got a channel that they wish to talk about this
49:27
week? And I'll do one, but just a
49:32
quick little shout out and round to Japan.
49:35
I'm halfway through his most recent video.
49:37
It's like an hour and it's him being sick in Copenhagen.
49:42
And it's actually, it's actually nuts.
49:44
So give that one a watch. Yeah, yeah, he's inside.
49:50
The story was, I mean, can you laugh about it?
49:53
Hopefully is he okay? Because otherwise he can't.
49:56
In the video it's worse, like he literally so much worse in the
50:00
video. Yeah, yeah, what happened?
50:01
Like he's nearly crying and stuff.
50:03
No, it's actually really, really good this week is he's a British
50:08
YouTuber. I tell you, he's arguably or the
50:12
most biggest infamy like running YouTube.
50:15
Ben is running. So he most recently ran London
50:21
Marathon. But a lot of this stuff is just
50:23
your general like shoe. Like he does a lot of shoes.
50:26
He gets sent so, so many pairs of shoes.
50:29
I wish I was him, but he yeah, his PBS are he ran 66 mid in
50:36
Copenhagen just before in London in the marathon, he's run 220
50:43
low 224 was it, and 5K he's around 1430 high.
50:49
And so yeah, he's a pretty, pretty good runner, but his
50:52
content is just so good and he posts pretty frequently as well.
50:56
And so and. He seems like, he seems like
50:58
quite a, it's like quite nice, quite a likable, isn't he?
51:02
He's very like upbeat with his running and seems like quite a
51:07
nice person, doesn't he? So he feels very endearing.
51:10
So it's sort of, you sort of want him to do well, don't you
51:14
want to see? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
51:16
Yeah, yeah. And he's sort of relatable in a
51:18
way as well, because yeah, he's no, even though he gets so much
51:22
free stuff and he's basically a professional athlete, he's.
51:26
We didn't start out like that way with his YouTube channel,
51:29
you know, sort of only come into that.
51:31
And I think now it seems very far more common with a lot of
51:35
these like emerging, you know, athletes and sub elite athletes
51:39
that have a good following. They can sort of get into a lot
51:41
of races. I think he's been like a bit
51:43
better supported with some races as well, which is a byproduct of
51:47
his YouTube following, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:51
He did a series over in in Kenya and things like that, didn't he?
51:55
He sort of, he's done some training camps and so before.
51:58
His Copenhagen half marathon, he'd done a stint in Kenya and
52:03
he pulled up. He'd done really, really well.
52:05
So he'd done it again for, for London.
52:09
But yeah, I don't know, I think the heat got home in London or
52:13
something like that. He.
52:14
I. Think he went out.
52:15
He went out too too hard though. Too hard.
52:17
And he went out pretty. Yeah, he went out.
52:20
He split something that was pretty ambitious based on his
52:23
half time. He's coached by that Victor
52:25
Smags guy. He's just like Swedish, he's
52:30
sort of an influencer as well, but he's sponsored by on.
52:33
He's got that like mad mustache and but yeah, he's again, the
52:37
big double threshold sort of guy.
52:38
So actually Ben is running threshold work as well now.
52:43
But yeah, no, no, super loads of content.
52:45
So he's got a catalog of YouTube videos.
52:48
Yeah, he's one of the the OG rum fluoencers if you like, I think,
52:52
isn't he? Yeah, yeah, Doing it for a
52:54
while. Him versus Nick Bester as the
52:57
the top running influencer in the UK.
53:00
Anyway, Yeah, good stuff. Thanks, Owen.
53:02
Double trouble then, unless Dean, did you have any channels
53:06
that you want to talk about this week or you're going to save
53:08
them? Yeah, and I should keep keep
53:11
some up my sleeve. That's fair.
53:15
Double trouble. Are you going to say something?
53:18
I was just going to mention, did you say easy release to 1/3
53:21
video? So.
53:22
Oh yeah, created some cadence, Yeah.
53:24
Is that from the ASICS meet in Tokyo?
53:27
No, no. So I think got that far, yet it
53:29
was the the three tag. So it's good like from.
53:32
Maritaining a catalog. It's from the American 3K in
53:34
like 3 weeks or something like. That yeah, yeah.
53:36
Yeah, there's it's hard now because I used to have like same
53:40
with the podcasts, you'd have almost a routine of like how
53:43
you'd get through them in a week, like which ones you'd go
53:46
to 1st and you second one, your third one, whatever.
53:48
And then maybe like on a way you had more going on in life
53:52
outside of just bloody consumer running content.
53:55
You would miss a podcast or two. And that was the same with
53:58
YouTube. And you would have like you two
54:00
or three, four channels that you would watch and you wouldn't
54:03
miss anything. But now there's like so many
54:06
keep popping up, it's hard to stay consistent and watch them
54:09
all. But it's it's good being spoiled
54:12
for. Choices.
54:15
I've actually, I've actually gone down a rabbit hole of of
54:18
Pokémon Youtubers like the Teds. Like I haven't a clue about
54:26
Pokémon but I love watching them like go to like these big when.
54:31
They pull a red card. And no, no, even they like the
54:34
cards are already pulled, but they like get them like graded
54:37
and all and like, I haven't a clue and some of them are crazy
54:40
money. But yeah, that's what I like
54:43
watching. Lately I've been down that
54:46
rabbit hole. I was down that rabbit hole
54:48
during COVID because in COVID there was not as much to content
54:51
to sort of consume or things to do.
54:54
And so that's when I think poker one started shooting off again
54:56
because I think people are at home dusting off their
54:58
collections. They're working out how much
55:00
cards were worth. Yeah.
55:01
But yeah, they, they go to those shows and they try and complete
55:04
sets like, you know, like collectors.
55:06
They try and complete set, like do challenges and trade cards
55:09
up. And yeah, I don't know, very
55:11
wholesome activity as well. Like kids get into it and stuff.
55:13
It's quite nice. Yeah, that sounds like.
55:16
Wormhole. That's something people will
55:19
keep close to the chest, isn't it?
55:21
But then I I reckon there's like more people than you would
55:24
imagine are actually into that kind of thing.
55:26
And if you somehow got onto the subject and one person was brave
55:30
enough to say well I like Yugioh or whatever, then shit opens up
55:34
a kind of worms. There's a embarrassed, there's
55:38
this guy, his names like Leonhart or something like that,
55:41
like Lionheart. He's a poker, he's Pokémon mad,
55:45
he's a lawyer. And now I think he's just
55:47
because he's Pokémon collection maybe grew or whatever.
55:49
I think he just creates content. But there's this video of him
55:52
unwrapping Pokémon cards in his like local library and he pulls
55:56
this card and you should see his reaction like it's genuine, but
55:59
it's just, it's an absolute cracker and he's just falling to
56:02
the floor celebrating like this card and he can't yell because
56:05
he's in a library and it's some YouTube gold.
56:11
I don't think we'll put it in the show notes, but.
56:16
That's like, did you ever play Ultimate Team on FIFA?
56:19
Did you ever play FIFA and you'd be able to open packs on
56:23
Ultimate Team? And if you got like a walkout
56:25
and stuff, People used to do videos opening them didn't they?
56:30
Rabbit hole there. But good times.
56:33
Double Trouble shit I was going to say about because I was, I
56:37
was struggling because I haven't really been running or thinking
56:40
too much about running. I didn't really have anything
56:42
that had been annoying me. But one thing I have been
56:45
conscious of is my cycling activities just taking up
56:49
people's feeds on Strava. So like I said, I need to get on
56:52
top of the privacy settings because the double trouble is
56:55
potentially people. I mean, when the shoe's on the
56:58
other foot and I'm running all the time and I'm fit, I don't
57:01
really want to be seeing people's unless it's the
57:03
triathletes who are doing my now have a new found admiration of
57:08
like these 100K rides and three hour rides and stuff, then
57:12
they're fair enough. I'll accept that.
57:15
But my little shitty 20K rides and 30 K rides.
57:19
They just don't need to be clogging up the the feed on the
57:22
daily, do they? I I went dark on Strava because
57:26
like, I feel like when you're injured and you're not running,
57:29
the last thing, it's probably the wrong way to do it.
57:31
But like the last thing you want to see is how other people are
57:33
doing because like you get jealous and they're improving
57:37
and it's just not good for the head.
57:39
But like I was reading your man. Who's the Ryan Hall?
57:43
His book? And he was saying that like you
57:46
shouldn't compare yourself to others.
57:48
Pardon. Run the mall you're in is that.
57:50
What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:52
You shouldn't be comparing yourself to others like you.
57:55
You literally should only compare yourself to yourself.
57:58
And so I can totally see where you're coming from.
58:01
Ryan and I went there for the last 8 to 10 weeks on Strava.
58:05
And it was really just when I started running there during the
58:07
week, I actually opened it up again and like, I turned off
58:10
notifications. I literally just removed the app
58:13
from the home screen because I just didn't want to know about
58:16
it. And but yeah, after like, going
58:19
through that book, like, that's the only reason I would have
58:22
went off travels because I just do not want to see what other
58:25
people are doing. Like, just concentrate on
58:26
myself. But at the end of the day, like,
58:29
you're only against yourself. So I can see where you're coming
58:32
from. As a side note, I love that
58:34
book. I think you had it's like 26
58:36
chapters for the 26 miles of the marathon.
58:38
And he sort of talks a bit about his evolution as a runner, like
58:42
when he's young, like racing guys in workouts just wanting to
58:45
beat everyone. And then as he's getting older,
58:48
what matters for him in races is like less about the outcome, but
58:54
but more about like how he sort of best can express his fitness
58:58
in a like best, you know, get the most out of his own
59:00
performance. And I don't know, I just yeah,
59:03
it was pretty. It was a cool book.
59:05
And then talked about, because he always had that famous quote
59:08
wasn't attached to him about trained by God because he sort
59:11
of didn't have a coach. He was sort of self coached and
59:13
very religious. And so you're sort of never sure
59:15
what that meant. But it sort of makes more sense
59:17
after you sort of listen to his sort of journey through running
59:20
and that period of time where he was sort of self coached.
59:23
And yeah, I don't know. Really really cool book.
59:26
He's so religious, I had no idea how religious he was.
59:29
He always quotes the valuable versus in the book.
59:34
Not very good. You know, Matt Fox used to go on
59:37
about a podcast that Ryan Hall was on and I was never able to
59:40
find it of either used listen to it.
59:42
Yeah, yeah. I'll share it.
59:44
Will you take it out? Yeah, yeah, He was on Matt.
59:48
He interviewed him on Sweat Elite in a short form, but
59:50
there's a much longer podcast that he was on.
59:54
Yeah, I'll find it. I forget the name.
59:56
I forget the name off the top about who the podcast
59:59
interviewer was, but quite a famous podcast interviewer.
1:00:01
It goes for like two or three hours.
1:00:02
Very good. Just whilst we're on the subject
1:00:05
of Matt Fox, did you ever think on the back of Ballarat, like
1:00:09
remember he was potentially going to be there and stuff?
1:00:12
Wasn't he like in amongst everything that went on at the
1:00:15
front of the race and whatever, how fun would it have been to
1:00:17
have Matt Fox all involved in that as well?
1:00:20
It's a shame. Yeah, it's all those sliding
1:00:22
door moments, but yeah, it's sliding door moments in life.
1:00:25
But yeah, it would have been cool if he was there.
1:00:27
Do we actually know 100% what is the issue or like not?
1:00:32
Anything since, because I actually went back on to the the
1:00:35
letter run feed for it like last week or so and and there haven't
1:00:40
been many more comments since like that official announcement
1:00:43
or whatever. So God knows that's.
1:00:46
Scary. Apparently his Strava has been
1:00:48
deleted now or like and his personal Instagram or something.
1:00:51
That's what the feed was saying anyway.
1:00:53
But like sweat elite coaching Academy, every now and then it
1:00:55
will repost like one of the athletes tags it and it reposts
1:00:59
it but that's literally it. And going back to the double
1:01:02
trouble, I, I think it depends massively as well about your,
1:01:08
your mindset when you you're saying no and about like going
1:01:12
dark on straw and all that because you don't want to see
1:01:14
stuff from whatever. And that is entirely like
1:01:17
correct. But then I've seen both sides of
1:01:21
it. Like just in this past week
1:01:22
alone, you'll see like an unbelievable session from
1:01:25
someone who you might compare yourself to or like a race
1:01:28
result from someone. And it can make you think one of
1:01:32
two ways, either like be demotivated by it and be like,
1:01:35
fuck's sake, or be motivated, motivated by it and help like
1:01:40
kind of get that mojo back or whatever.
1:01:42
And it purely depends on on your mindset in that exact moment
1:01:47
when you like see that. And, and what I'm saying is
1:01:49
like, I've had two examples this week where one's went one way
1:01:53
and one's went the other way. So I guess it's just being
1:01:56
mindful and conscious that like, you're going to feel differently
1:01:59
about it in different moments, and as long as eventually you're
1:02:03
well-intentioned enough to get back on track and you're
1:02:05
motivated to sort yourself out, then things will come good,
1:02:09
hopefully. There's nothing wrong with a
1:02:10
little detox. Like we're so invested in the
1:02:13
sport that like when you take a little detox, you come back more
1:02:16
hungry. Yeah, it's hard when you're when
1:02:19
you missed a host though. Yes.
1:02:21
You can't detox too much. You're in the middle of.
1:02:26
It yeah, it's good though because that's accountability in
1:02:28
itself you can't completely switch off or disengage totally.
1:02:31
And Rafts checking in on me, I think he knows maybe I'm needing
1:02:36
a bit of a poke in the right direction the time.
1:02:39
So it's good. Accountability comes from
1:02:41
different directions and then ultimately you know deep down
1:02:44
yourself what you need to be doing.
1:02:46
So it's just being reminded of it sometimes.
1:02:48
Like if you did, we could always like do Pokémon next week.
1:02:53
I could take their hands. Let's start a spin off channel.
1:02:59
Yeah, if there's any keen Pokémon followers then maybe
1:03:02
we'll set up Patreon and Pokémon will be the subject A.
1:03:06
Little side quest. Road to God?
1:03:10
What's like a made-up place in Pokémon world or something?
1:03:14
I don't even know. Well, yeah, true.
1:03:23
We don't have any listener questions because the the
1:03:25
episode kind of came impromptu that we all jumped on together
1:03:30
and recorded this, didn't it? But whilst we're on that
1:03:33
subject, again, as of next week also will be in the UK, so well
1:03:38
for a short period, well six, 5-6 weeks.
1:03:41
So hopefully we'll keep this Sunday evening slot, then
1:03:46
recording. It's kind of going to work well
1:03:48
for us all, isn't it? Because I won't be able to do
1:03:50
Mondays with work and stuff. In the middle, like it's 1:00 in
1:03:54
the middle of the day. I mean normally.
1:03:56
Of course, but thinking ahead to next Sunday, Liverpool are going
1:04:01
to be lifting the Premier League trophy in the afternoon, so
1:04:06
Sunday morning again would be good.
1:04:07
Sounds good. Sounds good to me.
1:04:10
Anyone got anything major that's going to be happening in the
1:04:14
next 7 days? May have a double, a double
1:04:17
threshold, or a HBF run that'll that'll be my one or the other,
1:04:22
maybe both. Oh, did you?
1:04:24
Did you see whether how Moose got on a thingy?
1:04:27
What's it called? No Great Ocean Road.
1:04:30
Yeah, Great Ocean Road. Yeah, no.
1:04:32
It's came to me a couple of times today to go go and check
1:04:35
the result, but I haven't actually got to do it.
1:04:38
I have to go check that out. Was it the half he run?
1:04:41
Yeah, I think so. I wonder would the results be
1:04:44
all? You get $1500 for the win there.
1:04:47
Not bad payday. Not in the mass part of the
1:04:50
world. But I think they were saying is
1:04:52
it Andre Werin has won it a few times in the past few years.
1:04:55
So it's not it's not an easy payday.
1:04:57
Yeah, no, I can't find these results, no.
1:05:01
Anything major coming up for you this week, Aaron, besides just
1:05:04
hopefully getting back to some more normal training?
1:05:08
And this week, no, literally just working and a little bit
1:05:13
more running now. Returning from your sick
1:05:16
absence. So did you do that on Friday?
1:05:18
I I went back to work on Friday. Yeah, I would mind when I was
1:05:22
working with them before. Like I never, like, I actually
1:05:25
rarely get sick. And I just felt so bad.
1:05:28
Like you're only back to work a week and you're calling in sick.
1:05:32
I'm like, oh shit, this isn't like the best start.
1:05:36
Go on. I've I've just got Mr. Strava.
1:05:40
There's no result. It's titled Great Ocean Road
1:05:42
half with the description felt smooth until I didn't, then I
1:05:46
didn't. So perhaps it didn't go
1:05:48
amazingly, but I mean, I still got the.
1:05:52
One but. And the Brooks half marathon?
1:05:55
Oh no. Sebastian Asher won in 70.
1:05:59
Andre wearing 71. Julian Spence was one. 234.
1:06:05
Five sixth in 77. Fair enough.
1:06:08
Yeah, well, on Friday I've got a big travel day flying back to
1:06:12
the UK So Dean, make sure you send that podcast through
1:06:15
because I'm. I'm like a squirrel gathering
1:06:18
all my nuts for the offline prolonged fucking travel.
1:06:23
And potentially, Ryan Hall's book could could be a shout as
1:06:26
well. Ryan.
1:06:26
Who are you flying, Ryan? I was gonna say his audio book
1:06:29
is pretty good. Oh yeah, there you go, flying
1:06:32
with Qatar. Oh nice, you'll be treated.
1:06:35
They are pretty good to be fair. I've used them before.
1:06:37
It's it's not a bad time either. It leaves Perth at 10:45 PM.
1:06:43
Yeah, I think I took something like that.
1:06:45
Yeah, with time difference, you're back in Manchester midday
1:06:48
Saturday, so it's it's ideal. It's just on my on that night
1:06:52
flight, there was a baby roaring, as we said in daughter
1:06:55
podcast roaring. You're crying.
1:06:56
So yeah, I didn't get much sleep on the ball, but you're a bit
1:06:59
luckier. Kids, man.
1:07:03
Speaking of. Your best.
1:07:05
Yeah. Yeah, right.
1:07:07
All right. Cheers.
1:07:08
Nice pleasure. All right, good luck.