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September 19, 2018 | Men Of Success - Fall 2018: The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People - Session 2 · Topeka Bible Church Audio Archive

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was the call and response.
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  SPEAKER_01: To a minute success.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to a middle success.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get my teleprompter here.
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  SPEAKER_01: As long as you read every single word exactly as it is on the slides, we'll be great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Success.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said we're in trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're all in trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: We like pictures, the picture books with not many words, so this may go pretty quickly.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Something amazing happened on Saturday.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you look up on the screen, that's part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: KU won their second football game of the season.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's in a row.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're on a two-game win streak.
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  SPEAKER_01: When's the last time you've heard of KU football being on any win streak?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: 2008.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And not only that, K-State and KU won in the same weekend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got University, I think it's University of Texas, San Antonio.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are the roadrunners.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was just hoping, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish the Wildcats changed their name to the coyote.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: One time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so we are in week two of this book, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we still haven't even hit the first habit yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is all the buildup material to kind of get our minds in motion, get us in gear for what the seven habits are going to be, and then how we can implement those as effectively as we can.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and last last week we uh we started the first section, which is Inside Out.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of the pre-introduction to the introduction that we're gonna do today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh the idea uh and John Bose was coming up here to talk with us, mess with us a little bit before uh we were talking, we were gonna teach this lesson, and he was talking about, and he's uh exactly right, he just said, you know, all these uh self-help books usually uh deal with what to do, you know, but this this change it talks about your character.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that's what uh Covey kind of realized that before, 25, 30 years before this book came out, when you know, when they talked about success, it was about your character, but it switched from success to outward success and getting pumped up and fake it till you make it and that kind of thing.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so he wanted to go back and reflect on uh you know character and ethics, uh not just success based on a personality that's that you try to change your personality or be a certain way.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um and in that in doing that, uh changing the way that you see uh the success in some ways.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think this this next chapter, he kicks it off with defining habits, and then he lists habits as being the intersection of these three different circles that you see up here.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: So knowledge, skills, and desire.
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  SPEAKER_01: Knowledge, skills, and desire.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you read through the book, you might have been a little confused as to what exactly he's talking about and how how do these three things actually define a habit?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: And as Jason and I were preparing, we were just going back and forth on you know what do one do we believe this?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is this even is this a true thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: And if so, how do we actually think about it?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do we implement it?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are what does it mean for us?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that when we were talking about it, we were talking about we felt I I feel like there is definitely something to this knowledge, skills, and desire.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just because you have a desire to do something doesn't necessarily mean just desire alone is gonna have you do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh skill alone doesn't necessarily dictate that you're gonna be successful.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I do think we talked about this, and we could maybe this would be a good table discussion too.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a possibility that you could have knowledge, skills, and desire and all of those three things and still not have a habit you want?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Or what we were talking about, a bad habit, if you it can it work in reverse?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Can you defeat a bad habit just because you have a desire, skill, and knowledge?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: And we said that maybe you could still have bad habits even if you have all three of those things.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so kind of where we landed on this habits thing and the circles, we we agree with it and we think that the direction that he's going for, the the goal for these three circles and defining that as a habit is this is a a future positive habit that you wish you would have in your life, but it's not currently there.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a future habit that's not currently there yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, for example, say every time you go to the doctor, you get this bad doctor report.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not any specific disease, it's not really anything horrible, but every time you go, maybe you have high blood pressure and your BMI is too high and overweight and all this stuff, and every time you go, it's just like bad news, bad news.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so maybe your goal is to say, next time I go to the doctor, or over the next year, two years, or three years, when I go to the doctor, I want to be able to have good reports.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: I want them to be able to say, hey, my blood pressure is good, my uh my throat looks good, my BMI is where it's supposed to be, kind of on the normal side.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you can think that and you can want that, but if you don't have the knowledge, if you don't have the skills, if you don't have the desire to get there, then your doctor's reports probably aren't going to change very much.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, you need knowledge to be able to turn this thing into a habit or to create a habit that will help you have better doctor's reports.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, you need to know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to know why it's important to have a good report because you want a longer life, because it's better for your body, because it helps you feel better, all those types of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: You also need to know the skills.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the two basic things if you want a better report, if you want to be healthier, have a good diet, and exercise.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you're having a good diet, you know, you're getting your nutrients, vitamins, all that stuff, and you're exercising, those would be the skills.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So now you've got knowledge, now you've got the skills, but just because you have those two things doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to turn into a habit.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the desire part comes in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so his point in the book and defining habits this way is if we want to change a habit, we need to know and have the knowledge, we need to know why, we need to have the skills.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what are the practical things that I can do to turn this thing into a habit?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I've got to have the desire.
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  SPEAKER_01: And typically, if I'm missing any one of those three components, I may start an action for a little while, but it won't become a habit, it won't become a regular part of my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about yesterday, maybe the knowledge part is even prod uh broadcasting if you on the knowledge part, not that we can predict the future, but if this habit, bad habit or persists, or this not if you want to start a healthy habit, if we don't start a healthy habit, if what we're doing persists, what will be the long term?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that knowledge sometimes maybe could be motivating to the desire as well.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the things, one of the things we were talking about as we met, so we we hadn't talked about this before, but we secretly kind of each had this goal of where we didn't want to eat within like three hours of bedtime because it it's healthy for your body if you don't do that.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it was interesting that the night before we talked about this, we both had almost the exact same experience of where for me it was it was eight o'clock, and I thought I looked in the cabinet and I saw the tortilla chips, and I was like, man, I should not eat those tortilla chips.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually closed the cabinet and then went to the fridge and I saw this thing of salsa that my mother-in-law had just brought over because she makes her own.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, man, I know I shouldn't do this.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm gonna do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pull out the chips, pull out the salsa, start eating chips and salsa at like 8 15 at night.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: All while I'm eating, I'm thinking, man, this is so good.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking, man, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but man, this is so good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was on Monday night, yeah, before Tuesday before we talked about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I actually was able to s to to save off the temptation for the chips and salsa.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I got them out and put them back in the covet in the refrigerator, but then I saw my wife had made or my daughter actually had made some muffins, so I had one of those.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: So um, and that was uh an interesting conversation we had, though.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: We had no idea that we had that exact almost situation.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: So basically he had we think his situation turned out a little bit better than mine.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it comes down to the desire part.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are we really looking at the long-term thing, or are we looking at the right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: I want this today, and that was it.
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  SPEAKER_00: He also goes through in this chapter uh what do you call the maturity continuum?
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so the idea is is that there are three pro uh points or three main ideas between uh maturity and the first one's pretty easy to understand, I would say.
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  SPEAKER_00: He gives the example of a baby, like when a baby's born, if uh they're truly dependent on for food and for the change of their diapers and um whatever else, they're not gonna live.
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  SPEAKER_00: If a child is born and they don't get anything from anybody else, they'll live a couple hours, you know, at the day at the most, is what he said.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and the dependence uh paradigm is the paradigm of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh you um you always need something from somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh you're always looking at a relationship for what you can have from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you need this person to do this for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next step in a maturity uh is what he was saying is the independence uh paradigm.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for me, you know, as I was growing up, you know, pretty dependent on my parents when I was born, but then also as you go through grade school and junior high school, there's glimmers of independence, maybe more of rebellion than independence in there, uh honestly.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I remember 15, started 13, 14, 15, started saving for a car, bought a car.
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  SPEAKER_00: To me, that was like the start of independence because I could drive places by myself.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: I could uh, you know, I started going to like my own dentist appointments, go at call out my mom call school and let me go, and I drive to the dentist appointment, go back, that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the paradigm of I, independence is that I don't need somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do it, I can do it on my own.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm totally self-sufficient.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so that would be the next step from dependence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I thought was interesting is that the third paradigm, interdependence, is working with others.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the paradigm of we.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he makes the point in the book uh that um that interdependence sometimes can look more like dependence instead of independence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started thinking through that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was really, really smart because I think sometimes uh when people try to be interdependent, either at work or in the marriage relationship or whatever it is, they can they can say, hey, I don't want to be dependent working together, uh helping each other, you know, independence seems like it would be a better fit than being interdependent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and you probably can make some parallels to work or to any kind of thing in life there for dependence, independence, and interdependence.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, think about that, especially as it comes to work.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, many of us, I would assume, especially because you're here, you're driven in some way, kind of internally, and you you want to succeed, you want to excel in whatever it is that you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think at least for for a long time, we've been taught, you know, we need to be independent, you need to be able to do it on your own.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't really need to be able to ask others for help.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for those of us who have been in team-oriented environments, for those of us who work maybe uh across departments or cross functions or different areas like that in our jobs, we realize how important this interdependence thing is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because maybe there is a task that I can do on my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't necessarily need somebody else to do it, but I understand that maybe for the sake of the team, maybe for the sake of efficiency, maybe for the sake of teamwork and bonding and even helping somebody else, while I can do that task on my own, I can also delegate that authority to someone else.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can ask and say, hey, would you be able to help me with this thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where it can look a lot like dependence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so once we get to that interdependence point, it's not that we don't have independence, but it's that we are secure enough in our abilities and we trust the people around us to say, I want to give some of that authority back to you, and then I would be able to help you with some of the things that you need help with too.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say, I think that dependence to independence is almost a hundred percent necessary for everyone, unless you're still living in your parents' basements playing video games all day.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, to not be dependent and be independent is an important thing.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Most people see that want to move from dependence to independence.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a new job and you have a trainer, like one of your main goals probably should be don't be dependent on that trainer the whole time you work there.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: You probably won't work there all that long.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be able to be self-sufficient at something in that job.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: But you can probably get by in life by just being independent and not moving over into interdependence, uh, even though you probably can do a whole lot more together than you can apart.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I kind of like what you were saying about the beginning, the dependence paradigm is the best picture I can think of, and it's what you mentioned, is of a little baby.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you've got that little baby, they are completely 100% dependent upon parents to provide everything for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And having a nine-month-old, she's actually starting to become more independent, especially when she started to crawl.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a small step towards her independence because now she can move.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so as we grow up, as we mature, uh, maybe we we graduate high school, we go to college, maybe we move out and we have our first job and we're on our own.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're not financially or emotionally or otherwise dependent on our parents anymore, that would be the example of independence.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can do it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to be reliant upon somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then the interdependence is imagine now you've gotten married.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you're in a in that type of relationship where you're where you're living together, you're doing things together.
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  SPEAKER_01: While you could do everything on your own, you could pay the bills, you could grocery shop, you could do all of that stuff like you would when you were single.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's benefit that comes from sharing those responsibilities, from sharing the tasks at home, from sharing, you know, bringing up kids and discipline and all those kinds of things.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the interdependence, where we feel confident enough, secure enough that while I can do this, I see that there's so much more benefit in helping somebody else.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's good.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't have to go grocery shopping all the time.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, if I'm in our relationship, my wife and I's relationship, if we were not interdependent in the shopping, if I was independently shopping for our food, it would not be a good thing.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: So me neither.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's why.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we'd have food.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: It'd just be pop darts and popcorn, you know.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and cookies.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would do cookies.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's why when whenever I go to the grocery short grocery store, and this is a very limited number of times, and Gabby does this for a very good reason.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: I would just come back with cookies and junk and donuts.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I have a very specific list when I go to the grocery store.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing more, nothing less.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Derek, I didn't realize we had so many shared experiences to the preparation for this chapter.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is so great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh on the maturity continuum and how it fits in with the habits of the book.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the idea is that habits one through three are gonna move you from dependence to independence, and then habits four through six uh are gonna move us from independence to interdependence.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it kind of looks like this chart, or looks like a black widow kind of uh to me.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not just the pendulum there.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Or the um whatever that's called.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: What is that called?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: The hourglass.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Black Widow Hourglass.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: So uh for habits one, two, and three, be proactive, begin with the end of mine, and put first things first will move us for private victory and move us from dependence to independence and think when when.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Seek to first to understand and then be understood and synergy, synergize uh in the public victory from independence up to interdependence.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then the seventh one that will wrap it all up is how do we continually refine?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: How do we continually sharpen the saw, as he calls it?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's story time.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: PPC balance.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Does anybody know what PC stands for?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, we got one! You got it, Jordan.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes! You got it.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're doing.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Go get extra breakfast.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: You got it.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Not political correctness.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Extra cup of coffee for you.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: So Aesop's Fables is you know, lots of famous fables from before even the time of Christ, a couple years a couple hundred years before Christ.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: But one of the fables that he mentions in the story is the story of the goose that was laying golden eggs.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the farmer went out and saw, wow, this goose is laying a golden egg.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: What what do I do with this?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is this real?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes and gets it appraised, and sure enough, it's pure gold.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So he cashes that thing in.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the next day the goose lays another gold egg.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, wow, this is kind of weird.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let me go cash that in.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's starting to become rich.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so day after day, this goose is laying these golden eggs, only one per day.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so the farmer starts to get excited, starts to see, wow, I'm getting all this money, I'm getting rich because of this.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: And he becomes so greedy, and he becomes so focused on what he's going to get and how he can gain more riches for himself, that eventually he goes, and this is the part of the fable where probably none of us understand why he does this, but he does in the fable nonetheless.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: He goes and he thinks that, wow, well, if I want more golden eggs right now, I need to go and get him out of this goose because he's got all the eggs.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes and he kills the goose, cuts him open, realizes oh man, there's no eggs in here.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I said, I don't know why the fable is this way, but it doesn't make any sense in our minds today, but nonetheless, that's what happens.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: The point is that there's there's greediness there.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so what he calls in the book, what Covey calls, is the PPC balance.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: So the P stands for productivity or what's being produced, and the PC is the production capability, so the thing that's doing the producing.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so in the in the fable, the eggs are the production.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the the output, that's the thing that you really want.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then the PC, the production capability, is the goose.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing that's producing those eggs, and he talks about having a good balance between the production and the production capability thing, whatever it is.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: So to kind of bring it into our context and something that we can wrap our minds around.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: For example, if you are leading a team at work, you're leading that team, and maybe you have certain goals that you're trying to hit, you have a certain percentage of sales that you want to do, you have a certain number of clients you want to contact, you have a certain number of dollars, certain number uh certain revenue that you're trying to hit, a certain safety score that you're trying to get at your job.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever the outcome is, that would be the production.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're leading a team of people who are carrying out different tasks and responsibilities to accomplish that, your people, your team, would be the production capability.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the people who are responsible, essentially, for having that production take place.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: And what he talks about is we've got to have a balance between those two.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to have a balance between our drive for the outcome, and we've got to have a drive, we've got to have a desire to balance that with taking care of the people or the things or the machine that's going to produce that outcome.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And anytime we're we're out of balance significantly, either way, it's not a good thing for us.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: The first example I think that he gave, which really hit home to me, was that if you're running a machine at work and you're responsible for running that machine, and the machine is brand new, and you are the person running the machine, and you're producing and producing and producing.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: You never ever maintain that machine, but you just keep producing.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's possible that you can, that person that is running that machine and making the company all lots of money can get promoted.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, they're really, really good worker.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're making us the bottom line is going up and up and up.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let's promote them, and then the next person that comes in inherits a less than good machine running, it's been run down.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then that person gets blamed for not producing when there was such excessive focus on the production and not on the production capability and keeping that going long term.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of another way you can think about it is that of a car.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've got your car, it's running, and maybe it's running fine now, but you and you're trying to get the most miles that you can out of it.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so rather than take it in, rather than have it maintenance, you just keep driving that thing.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Driving that thing.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: All you do is put gas in it, no oil changes, you just drive it.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty soon it's gonna die.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, I've gotten called out on this before by one person here, Wes, because I take my car to him sometimes to get my oil change, and I brought my car in one time, and he's like, dude, Derek, you're like 6,000 miles over when you should have had an oil change.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, but it's still going.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Honda, it can handle 11,000 miles.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, so we got to focus, we gotta have a balance on the production and the production capability.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what happens when we have an excess of focus on production.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: You have broken down machines, you have ruined health.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine somebody who just runs every single day, never stops.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, that's not gonna be good for you.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: You have depleted finances and broken relationships.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: If we're never taking care of the PC part, the production capability part, that's what will happen.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then we if we have an excess of focus on the production capability, maybe all we do is maintenance our car.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: We never drive it, we never get any production, we don't get any miles, we leave it at home.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's not gonna be very good.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's not beneficial.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're essentially wasting time.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the example, one of the examples he gives, it's like running three or four hours a day because you heard that running was going to extend your life, having good exercise.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so you run through who runs three or four hours a day?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why this is an example, but it is.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you run three or four hours a day and you realize, wow, those ten years I thought I was gonna gain on my life, I've just spent all of those running.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's not very helpful.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: He also talks about, gives the example of somebody who continually goes to school basically forever.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you're in school and you're like, man, I want to learn as much as I can.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I want to learn as much as I can.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so you learn and you go to school and you get degree after degree after degree, but you never have a job.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: You never go out, you never put it into practice, you never use what you're learning.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so essentially you can gain all the knowledge you want, but unless you're using it in the world in some way, it's not really beneficial to you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say, and I was gonna ask this and see if we can get some participation, even though it's not quite as early as it was when I was trying to do the mic check.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully we'll have some responsive hands here coming up.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: But who in here thinks that your personality lends you more to the production side and not the production capability side, the maintenance and that kind of thing.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Who thinks that that is where your mind goes to your, you know, you you work mostly?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anyone or some hands that are going up?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's definitely my personality.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, who in here says that the production capability side, I meant I naturally go that way.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh about 50-50 split.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely am more on the production side.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um when I was in fifth, fourth grade, uh, Mrs.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Davis made me miss recess several times because my desk was so unorganized.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that I and so every single time I missed recess, I would take everything out.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: And like every once in a while, all the stuff on my desk would just fall out on its own because there's so much stuff that I would just shove things in there.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have the skill to organize for whatever reason.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so she said, You need to miss recess, and uh, which I'm pretty hyper, so that was not a good move on her part to not be able to run around a little bit that day, but and you need to organize your desk.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I took everything out and put everything back in, and she came back and she said, What have you been doing this whole time?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I organized my desk.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, It doesn't look any different.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, it really didn't, and then it fell out again the next next day.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so my natural event is not to organization, and that means in like keeping like my car clean and or organizing systems and processes, and every all the ability that I have to organize programs and volunteers have all been learned traits over the years, and it's been hard for me to learn that.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but my first job in ministry, my the pastor, he was really, really on the PC side, the production capability side, and to an overextent.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was the production side to the overextent, so you can see how well that that job went for me and him.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he got me a palm pilot, and uh that was a while ago, I understand.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't have phones or anything, but he said, okay, and he even bought me a little keyboard to hook my palm pilot in so I could type on it, and it like filled that out, and I was like, okay.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, you need to put every one of your tasks in this palm pilot.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Then you need to rate them in importance, and then we need to put a percentage of completed tasks, and then you need to print these out every single week, and then you need to make seven copies and give them to every single elder, mail them to every single elder, and give me a copy, and then we can have a conversation about how much percentage of the things that you got done are supposed to get done.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: And what I found out is that I was spending like 25 hours of my week just trying to get my tasks into my palm pilot and try to be more efficient.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, and so I have learned that through that job is that it's good to have production capability and have a focus on that somewhat.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can't just be all production, but also if you go the other way and you're just organizing everything, you never actually get anything done, uh, is a hard thing too.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: You need to have a balance.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: One of the quotes in this chapter that I thought was really interesting and one that I had never thought about before is this the PC principle is to always treat your employees exactly as you want them to treat your best customers.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: The PC principle is to always treat your employees exactly as you want them to treat your best customers.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the examples that he gave in the book was you've got a guy in your team and he's not really producing and he's not fully bought in.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so the boss comes down and says, you know, what are we gonna do?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he decides, well, let's just get him out of here.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Let's ship him out.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: If he can't do the job, let's kick him out and move to somebody else.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the other employees comes up and says, Well, would you want would you want that to happen to your best customer?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: If they're not always happy to be here, if they're not, you know, thrilled about what you're doing, maybe they're not completely on board.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Are you just gonna kick out your best customers too and then just hope for more?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was just really great, and something for all of us to think about is how we treat the people who are on our teams.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do we treat them as well as we would want them to treat our best customers?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then 2 Peter 1, 5 through 8.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is really good.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness, and to goodness knowledge, and to knowledge self-control, and to self-control, perseverance, and to perseverance, godliness, and to godliness, mutual affection, and to mutual affection, love.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: So this is just a great, great reminder, great example to me that we as we look through this book, we see kind of this progression.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: We want to keep learning, we want to keep adding skills to our character.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually something that God wants for us too.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: He wants us to grow, he wants us to develop, he wants to add things to our character, he wants to add love, he wants to add affection, he wants to add goodness, knowledge, all of these things to us on a daily basis so that we can be productive for him, so that we can have a fruitful life, so that we can abide in him and be able to love him well and love others well rather than just being stagnant and not growing at all.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: So here's our three questions.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: How can you make progress in the maturity continuum from dependence to independence to interdependence?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: So think of an area of your life where you'd like to see some progress there.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then at work and at home, how are you doing with the production, production capability balance at work and at home?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then number three, how are you doing at treating your employees or your team as you want them to treat your best customers?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: How does that currently look where you work?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, Jason, would you like to pray for us?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Heavenly Father, I thank you so much for this day.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I thank you for the opportunity to get up early and have a great breakfast and have good good fellowship and talk and and and work on some habits, hopefully, and work on our our lives so that we can be, yes, more productive, more productive at work, more productive at home, but also I pray that we will put some effort in into knowing you a little better.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: I pray that we could have a better relationship with you and please bless every single person that's come here today.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh help them have a good middle of their week and finish out in a good week.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's in Jesus' name I pray.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.